Talking About Eldar: Avatar

[DemonShadow352]

the greyknight make your re-roll their successful invul saves, because he is a daemon, and are instant kill, but they have to make a psyhic test, so bring a farseer with runes of warding.

[Link12ize]

I enjoy putting him ith a farseer as 2nd hq and casting fortune from farseer and enhance from warlock. With this combenation he is a thug on the battle field and frustating to bring down. ^_^

[Mantaur104]

@Link12ize But but but...Enhance can only be cast on the Warlock's own squad (which can't include an Avatar, of course), unless I'm missing something.

Regarding force weapons: I don't think they cancel an invulnerable save (except maybe the Grey Knights ones).

[Link12ize]

@Mantaur104 I now know that, This comment woz written when I didn't know the rules very well^_^

[H3NN3RZ1]

So how many points is he??

[Bethelnir]

is he also an eternal warrior for beeing a demon?

he should be !

what would be really cool, if he could deepstrike like other demons

(demon = feearless, eternal warrior, deepstriking)

[ilikewarhammer]

The Avatar is a crazy character....yea 500pt game ownage(hopefully!??)

[caos1925]

seems like this game takes a lot of luck

[snorlaxify]

i once played a avatar and i broke half his army with it

[Sinanthir]

force weapons don't ignor invul saves...

[killerboyrats]

i stuck a space marine head in his hand :P

[OnuMatoran]

Force Weapons don't ignore Invul saves. Psycannons, Incinerators, C'tan Phase Sword and the C'tan themselves ignore invuls.

[frozenflame33]

im rebuilding my eldar(my first army, i left unfinished) and ill be buying a forgeworld avatar, i plan on running him in a group with 2 wraithlords maybe 3 in big points(over 2k)

[Froschritter]

Even if the avatar is probably the best closecombat model, you shouldn't use him against ork bosses...they are probably the only thing I never want to charge with him.

[Arkay1a]

Warbosses, in my limited experience, have never given me too much trouble. Assuming you charge you've got 5 I6 S6 WS10 attacks that ignore armour which are probably going to do a few wounds. Even if the he survives you have a 4+ save against the Power klaw so you will probably win.

Though my experience against Orks is limited as nobody around here plays them. There is the obvious luck factor that means anything can happen, such as my Gaunt killing an Avatar in CC in the turn it was charged!

[Froschritter]

I fought them with the avatar about 3-5times and I only won once...the orks should be able to charge because of a pikk-up or because of the waaaagh! so I wouldn't assume that he has 5attacks...but that the bosses have even more attacks and then it looks kinda bad.

[Sinanthir]

@Arkay1a I agree the Wraithlord does need an invul sv 'cause he's made out of wraithbone same with wraithguard...

[theraf2u]

I have to concur with Arkay1a, but only because Fortune lets the Avatar reroll his 4+ invul save. I'd never take the Avatar without Farseer support for that Fortune. With Fortune, he trumps Ork warbosses pretty easily though of course the combo isn't cheap.

[Froschritter]

I think the combination of avatar and farseer is a terrible one...who would shoot on the avatar if there is a farseer next to him? You can kill the farseer with 1shot S6 if he only fails his save which is 50:50. And if you want to combine the farseer with guardians or even warlocks this hole unit is waaay to expensive for the few units the avatar can kill.

[theraf2u]

You must be a new player. No one ever just walks a Farseer around on his own, on foot.

A farseer is usually placed inside a transport with whatever unit you like, or connected to a Wrathguard unit nearby. Since many good Eldar armies already have a Farseer as the basis of their army support, it's very common to get Fortune on the Avatar.

[Froschritter]

@theraf2u No,I am not a noob and I know that you don't let the farseer alone, so I wondered how do you protect him... you said with a transporter...so you have about 250points for the avatar and the farseer and at least 100points for your transporter and then even more points for the unit which sits in the transporter with the farseer...hm... that's about 500points for the avatar. Because if you want to really use the unit and the transporter you have to leave the avatar. Explain how u do it plz

[theraf2u]

The point is most Eldar armies already have a Farseer and at least one transport with a unit inside it anyways - you're not buying anything "for" the Avatar, in most cases you already have this in your army. All you do at that point is choose to Fortune the Avatar by keeping the Farseer nearby to support him as he advances. You also don't have to Fortune him all the time, just when you expect he'll go into combat against powerfists, etc. Against a Warboss you bet I'm going to Fortune him :)

[Froschritter]

@theraf2u

Okay this is something different...but even then,

why wouldn't you fortune the serpent and boost towards your enemies...

then you can return and help ur avatar later.

[theraf2u]

@Froschritter I'm not sure what you mean here. Each game will be different so your strategy will depend on what your army looks like and what the table/opposing army looks like. Charging your Serpent towards your opponent's line might be useful if you have Howling Banshees or Harlequins inside but usually it's not such a good idea since Eldar like to use the speed on our vehicles to stay away from the enemy and shoot from afar. But that is totally dependent on your particular situation...

[Froschritter]

@theraf2u

Of course I agree with you in those points.

All I wanted to say is that the farseer has better things to do than helping the avatar to survive and when you cast fortune on the avatar.

But if he's in "fortune mode" I don't know who would waste his fire power for him.

But I admit that ,now u explained it closer to me, it seems useable^^.

[Sinanthir]

@Froschritter You're crazy I've defeated a bloodthirster lol with my Avatar lucky yes but it was done =-P....Ork warbosses will get owned by the Avatar--A Warboss isn't a piece of a god...

[Froschritter]

@Sinanthir

Yeah, one waaaghboss isn't a problem but try a whole squad of them...let's see how long your avatar is going to survive if you aren't very lucky like that time you killed the bloodthirster^^.

[CrypTiKxCrash]

@Froschritter um if u got a squad of war bosses then wouldnt that then exceed the cost of an avatar and unless its APOCALYPSE then u can only have 2

[Froschritter]

@CrypTiKxCrash I don't meant the waaagh boss... I meant the "normal" bosses with energyclaws/fists, you can havealot of them and the avatar is much better against S4 enemies. But I think almost a year went by since I commented...now I am sure there are more powerful closecombat units than the avatar (but it is still the coolest ;) ).

[brandon911111111111]

@Froschritter I also wouldnt use him against necron pariahs if 4 out of 10 survive he dies because war scythes ignore saves (invulnerables included)

[brandon911111111111]

@Froschritter@Froschritter I also wouldnt use him against necron pariahs if 4 out of 10 survive he dies because war scythes ignore saves (invulnerables included) and he only hits 4 times

[puukko15]

The part about the avatar that makes him so strong is the fact that he is a DAEMON!!!

This means that he has to always deep strike!!! Which means that you don't have to worry

about getting there which boosts his strength in apocalypse and large or normal games.

He is also an Eternal warrior! I am even including him in a 500 point force!

So to anybody who is pondering whether to get one I highly recommend him. Also if you play

apocalypse then he can be part of the phoenix court of khaine!

[Bethelnir]

@puukko15 I don't like to disappoint you, but besides his 4+ invul save, NONE of the usual Demon-rules apply.

He is NOT an eternal warrior and he CAN'T deepstrike! (looked it up in several forums)

[puukko15]

@Bethelnir NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooo­ooooo.o.o.o.o....o.....o......­....o.......o

why!! GW why!!!

but realy, thats realy anoying he was perfect for my list!

thanks for saying anyway :' /

I realy like your vids on your channel they are pretty good

oh and yeah I have a few tributes on my channel you might like.

puukko15

[Gunshotinyahead]

Is he affected by Incinerators?

[Teivel2]

@Gunshotinyahead

interesting question. Strict reading of the rules would say no, since it's a flamer type weapon, i believe it's also FAQ'd to make it clear that he is in fact immune to them.

That said, the fact he's deamonic and that incenerators are firing anti deamon fire imbued with all kinds of nasties...in my casual games i'd probably let it apply.

[chrisjk123]

hes brilliant

[Xorplon]

you might have been thinking about necron warsythes, they negate saves of any kind.

[conswarp]

would u recomend this model

[Arkay1a]

Yes, though it does of course depend on your play style and what the rest of your army consists of. Personally I prefer 2 Autarchs since it gives me more flexability with my Reserves and they're cheaper in both points and to buy.

It also depends on the size of the games you tend to play. In smaller games the Avatar is absolutley immensce and in 750 points and under I would almost consider it a must have.

[starbomber]

Psycannons are about the only thing that ignore invulnerable saves, I think. I also think daemonhunters have an invulnerable save ignoring sword weapon of some kind, but force weapon is a power weapon, so you still get your invulnerabe save against that.

(Actually the daemon hunter one might be of the "who cares about eternal warrior!?" class :P )

[Number1GamerAsh]

i like wailing doom a vehical and then assassunlting its cargo or the tank if i didnt blow it up lol

[Number1GamerAsh]

he owns and for 155 EPIC!

[UltramarineFTW]

and the one weapon an assasin get, like a phase weapon or something

[mikebott]

the necron weapon you mean ?

-evil laughter-

[MrScotish001]

a force weapon just ignores armour and can instant death you, a phycannon ignores invulns and armour, daemon hunters have some other weapons that are amazing against daemons

[UltramarineFTW]

yay! I just painted mine pretty nice, maybe I'd send you a pic ;P