I think that the distance of the "car light" is way too long, for the people to believe that its the paulding light. So you are telling us that a car remains still for about 2 or 3 hours in the same place? I dont believe you. Your explanation its a goofy one. Think more carefully.
I stood there for two hours (supposedly they were out at that time for the last few nights) during the "perfect" time to see them. Even a blind person could see they were just headlights. I felt more dumb after going there.
@burninbiomass regardless of when this particular light was first reported, it may have been there long before; and it is only a theoretical "debunking" as you cannot prove a negative, especially when, in similar cases, the debunking theory has been certainly disproved.
Find me a report before the 60's, and then we will talk.
Your error is in thinking any light worldwide is caused by the same thing. If someone cant explain a light in Florida or Tennessee it doesn't mean that a light in Michigan cant be explained. I'm not saying every "spooklight" in the world is fake (I believe in the supernatural myself, this just isn't it). have been her and saw the cars. Additionally, Michigan Tech has proven this is car lights quite clearly.
Well then, Lets see the real time experiment video, not some weird blurry thing. Have someone stand there at that point in the highway, slightly North of where you say the WRONG spot was, and respond to radio, by flashing lights in the same direction. Then if you can re-create it, I will believe you. It's simply not enough to have a computer animation tell the story. You need REAL evidence conducted in REAL time with REAL witnesses.
obiously most havent been there to actually experience it.. until you have.. there no way you can say those lights come from a car.. im sure there a natural explanation but i believe no one has yet to come up with a good one..
the paulding lights is not faked... on fact or faked they tested the headlights theory... from that distance and over those trees, the headlights wouldnt even be visible.
You are thinking wrong. Ripley's never offered a reward. Thats a myth, just like "National Geographic had an article" "It was on Unsolved Mysterys" and "Its been happening for 100 years".
If you can get them to offer an award, please let me know. I'll show them the cars in 5 minuets, and spend the rest of the night at the casino that's 4 miles from the viewing spot.
This is a quote from the faked or faked site "Attempts to solve the mystery of the Paulding Light have been inconclusive at best. Although some groups claim to have solved the mystery, questions remain." And if it was a car passing by why would the light remain the same for several minutes up to an hour?
Fact or faked is a laughable source. They didn't zoom into the light with their camera (because if they did you would see the cars), nor did they tell you that the vid they went there about was shot for a movie.
You are looking at a long stretch of road coming at you down a hill. Sometimes it lasts longer than what it would take for one car to cover that ground because another car comes behind it, and another car behind it. When I was there I never saw it constantly on for an hour.
Watch the scifi show fact or faked. they tested your high way theory and its the highway so why dont you get back out there and think again. im pretty sure they had more money than you a heavily investigated it.
dude this is not a faked thing i live in michigan and i see it every night. me and a group of people walked for 3 hours trying to figure out what caused this light and every time we got close it would just dissapear.!! It happens every night around sunset. it is the coolest thing ive ever seen. so this info i have told you proves its not faked!!
Check out this video: youtube DOT COM /watch?v=YKIQ8DpWC_Q&NR=1
It's better than mine and shows the proper experiment that Fact of Faked never did, because Fact or Faked was not interested in "facts" in this particular case.
@Nuitfilms well that was just one method if you watch it they also tried 3 other methods but you keep getting hung up on that one and last time i checked 3 is more than one.
I've actually been to see the Paulding Light, and it is in the middle of absolutely freaking nowhere. Not remotely enough cars pass to have a constantly shining light as this is, nor would a car headlight get that bright from that far away. At times, this light is blinding! I don't know what the light is, but I can saw for certain it is not car headlights. There just are not enough people on the road at that time of night.
biut don't you think it i very strange that it appears every night at almost the fact same time and that even if it was a car that the guy just does this every night
also, this has been going on for 40 years and no one can explain it? car headlights were not as bright 40 years ago as they are today, and the light has stayed the same all these years! "There are some things in this world our science can't explain".
@NuitFilms: SO it seems you are fed by very much Scientific thoughts. You wanna say someone keeps a car there every night? and you wanna prove it by using Google earth instead of some practical experiment? First learn to make some sense. Then comment.
has anyone ever flown a helicopter or light aircraft toward the light to pinpoint it exact location? seems like it should be pretty easy nowadays to figure out its point of origin....
okay fuck this shit, i just seen this thing last night and i walked the whole path!!!! and the headlights would no way in hell be able to have been seen that far a way. point blank!
@ dmbfan1969 there is a reason why the scientific community regards eyewitness accounts as the least reliable evidence. your eyes can fool you into thinking all kinds of things, like the sun revolving around the earth, which makes perfect sense if all you have is eyewitness accounts, but that's why we have science.
for everyone else, there has been much better debunking videos posted since I put this up, check'em out, they are really good and prove the headlight theory to be the right one.
I have seen this with my own eyes.I do not believe it could be headlights.Where it is located is to rural! Not enough traffic in the area to have the light be there continuously! I dont know about ghosts...but It is pretty cool!
to clear this up the need to have someone positioned at the part of the road that is supposed to generate the headlights and give them a two way radio, then when they see the ghost lights at the observation point they can call and see if cars are passing by. I kind of doubt it is cars. There are several other places that have these ghost lights , one is in Texas and settlers saw the ghost lights and thought it was indian camp fires.
was there three nights ago ... no way it was headlights... there is a creek/ valley area there that the light was concentrated and traveling in no way that car got down in those woods.... and move that fast and not be interrupted by a shit ton of trees
I was there with a high powered scope and what I saw was DEFINITELY not car lights. Several other people were there who also watched it through the high power scope and all saw the same thing. What we saw almost defied the laws of nature.
The show could have done a better job on this... there are other reasons as well, but why, if the time-line was so questionable, was the history of when this started not looked at? I'm sure there would have been some documentation, some old-timers something to get a better history on this... They also didn't address the water in the area or the atmospheric conditions, what time of year/day is it brighter? When different colors show up? test a larger area for swamp gas? etc.
At no point did they zoom way into the light and hold focus. (if they did you would see the cars).
Why didn't they talk to the maker of the vid, he has his name and the name of his production company in his channel (Lionstar)? (because then they would have to admit the vid was shot for a MOVIE called "The Paulding Light", and the vid was a Blair Which attempt at publicity.)
OK, so debunk this: the Paulding Light sightings have been happening A) since before that highway was built, and B) since cars had headlamps that burned oil, rather than bright electric halogen bulbs.
I've been out there when the highway was closed due to blizzards, yet the light persisted for hours straight.
I'm not defending the show. I'm just saying what I've seen over 20+ years... and no one has yet come close to proving otherwise.
I still stand by the Fact or Fiction video they closed off the highway and ran head lights
they had no reason to lie. All of these "debunkers" didn't have the science backgrounds
( including 1 FBI Agent) or the tools that FF had. Just seeing a car in the daylight does not mean that it was causing the night light, are any of these "debunkers" able to use scientific method not guess work. I'm a LEO and if I stop you for speeding I can't say I think you were speeding I have to have facts...
I debunked this phenomena over 15 years ago myself. Armed with nothing more than a small field telescope. I simply waited for daybreak when I could see the cars themselves on the road! The poster is correct - the "phenomena" is caused by car headlights on a remote stretch of highway 45. If Fact or Faked couldn't figure it out with all their "scientific methods", then they are, quite simply INCOMPETENT. Sorry!
Another problem I have with "Fact or Faked" is they credit co-star Bill Murphy as a "scientist". I know Bill personally, and while he is a very nice person, he does NOT to the very best of my knowledge hold a degree in ANY branch of science. He is a filmmaker by profession. I take real issue with ANYONE being assigned fake titles to lend a false sense of integrity. It's like paranormal investigators who get a "degree" from a diploma mill and then Call themselves "Dr". FACT OR FAKED INDEED!
@GBPR1044 from 5 miles away, 2 headlights will look like one - especially when the light is distorted by rising marsh gasses - which the Paulding light is.
First, how is the light supposed to be there at the same time each evening if it was a car so basically it this guy and he like "im high and im going to waste gas by driving back and forth where the paulding light is to trick people." thts retarded............nuff said
im not saying i think that it isnt some kinda man produced light but this vid show only that the road crosses the elecrical lines path not really explaining much or debunking much.
oh I was under the impression this was debunked with scientific rigor instead of a wild "guesstimate". And Occum's razor only works if you have ALL of the pertainant information. We don't yet.
@jrc3ky It has been debunked with scientific rigor - by investigators from universities. Google UNIVERSITY PAULDING LIGHT . Michigan Technological University has done a great deal of research on it.
PEOPLE IVE BEEN HERE AND I COULD CLEARLY SEE THE HEADLIGHTS APPEAR AND TURN OFF TO THE LEFT. BUT THE PAULDING LIGHT WAS "ABSOLUTELY" THERE. YOU CAN BE WATCHING IT AND SEE CARS HEADLIGHTS IN THE DISTANCE AT THE SAME TIME. AND CAN EASILY TELL WHICH ONES WHICH. GO SEE IT YOURSELF BEFORE SAYING ITS FAKE
I'm curious NuitFilms have you actually BEEN to the Paulding Lights? I always find it funny that the majority of "debunkers" have never actually seen the lights for themselves.
I work in law enforcement for the state, a car headlamp 7 miles away is not that bright and I have the video of Fact or Faked testing with hi-beams ( they are not talking to any ghosts) with no light showing. Nice try but the FF people had no reason to lie....
@cpatrick1717 First, the observation point if about 5 miles away not 7. Second, please re-watch the episode of FF, they're clearly attempting to talk to ghosts as part of the investigation. Anybody who's seen that episode knows this.
@NuitFilms actually they are not "talking to ghosts". they did an EVP session to see if there was something to the paranormal theories. If you watched the episode, you would see they could not conclude that as they got nothing on EVPs.
@NuitFilms to be honest the evp session they did at the end had nothing to do with the actual experiments that disproved the car headlights but idk maybe it was headlights
@cpatrick1717 If you search around on the web, this "phenomena" has been debunked MANY times over the years - by universities and REAL scientists who don't have an agenda (namely television ratings.) If Fact or Faked couldn't reproduce the effect with car headlights, then they quite simply did not go far enough up the highway. As I pointed out in another post, I've been there, I've seen the Paulding light. The light appears brighter due to rising swamp gas (methane) which distorts the light.
At least Fact or Faked went there with documented science methods including disproving the highway 45 theory that you claim sloves it. They are not all actors once again let me say to NuitFilms THEY WERE REALLY THERE no using a cheap anamation map!!!!
@cpatrick1717 Really? Documented science methods? Since when is talking to ghosts a documented science method? Since I posted this video, other ones have been posted as well -- way better than mine -- that debunk the light with actual telephoto footage and prove that it's car headlights: the video is youtube dot com Kh4X3gGg6Nc So there.
@NuitFilms you need to get over the paranormal thing. For one... any good scientist will look at ALL angles (Paranormal investigation is actually considered a science by it's own right.) Since people claimed the lights are paranormal, they did a brief paranormal investigation. They did not conclude it was paranormal, they did not "talk to ghosts" since they didn't capture any ghosts on EVPs and did not conclude this wasn't a natural phenomenon.
@NuitFilms - Because, every other "real" science experiment had failed. A true scientist will have a mind open enough to consider any possibility - even the possibility that the answer defies current logic and reason, or what we call, "paranormal". Paranormal does not necessarily mean "ghost". It simply means that it defies logic within the bounds of what we consider "normal".
No, every other "real" experiment didn't fail, because they didn't even try the most simplistic one (or didn't show you they tried it). They didn't look at the light thru a telescope, or show you that view. I was there, did that, and saw the cars. A group from Michigan tech went there, saw the cars, filmed the cars, and have the video up.. search for "Unraveling the Paulding light mystery".
@cpatrick1717 Really? Documented science methods? Since when is talking to ghosts a documented science method? Since I posted this video, other ones have been posted as well -- way better than mine -- that debunk the light with actual telephoto footage and prove that it's car headlights: the video is youtube dot com Kh4X3gGg6Nc So there.
@cpatrick1717 fact or faked were on the wrong part of the highway thats why they weren't able to debunk the lights... don't believe everything you see, esp something on SyFy
u aint debunked shit!!! they tryed headlights aircraft on fact or faked and none of them matched ur pathetic attempt u nut job get back to the fuckin mental hospital please?
I don't think is cars headlights, because there's not always going to be enough traffic to keep a light that bright for such a long time. And abviously is NOT paranormal. I go more for the gas combustion theory. Or could be a mix of gas combustions and cars light. But I have to say the legend is really great.
I just watched this again on LOL "Faked or Faked" It seams that the light last longer then a few seconds which could rule out headlights. I may take a drive next summer up there. I know I could figure it out by using a telescope.
@ burningbiomass Thanks for letting us know about that video!!! It's an excellent debunking of this whole BS. Faked or Faked could've done it in two seconds but they were too busy talking to ghosts. (Did I mention how I HATE that show!)
@NuitFilms /watch?v=YKIQ8DpWC_Q&feature=related okay you were indeed right. The rude manner in which you conducted yourself made me want to question you.
Im sorry, and it may be just because im only 15, but don't cars usually have 2 headlights, not just one?
Also, don't you notice how the light gets brighter, then dimmer, then brighter, then dimmer, then just goes away? It seems like if it was car headlights, they would start out dim, get brighter and brighter continuously, then suddenly stop because the car went out of view?
The distance make them appear as one, the cars are 5 to 7 miles away. If you take a telescope, the one light becomes 2 headlights. There is vid here Kh4X3gGg6Nc , where Michigan tech students filmed the cars using a telescope.
Brighter and dimmer have to do with the bright and low beams. They drop out of view because the hill between you and the cars blocks your view of them.
@burninbiomass thats what im trying to tell theses people but nope they still think its alf comming from melmac. or something other than vehicles. i-yi-yi-yi-y.....i
Anyone... anyone can go there with a telescope and see the cars. I have. The fact that Fact or Faked didn't do something as mind numbingly simple as take one of their cameras, put on a decent zoom lens, and simply zoom into the light shows there weren't remotely serious about really saying what the light was.
FoF only blocked off a portion of that road and its a couple miles away from where the actual light is coming from..the way the light gets from smaller to bigger and disappears and reappears just shows it really is traffic.. the red lights is the opposing traffic DUH.
The TV show Fact or Faked is an insult to anyone with an IQ over 95. It's a show on the SyFy Channel -- a channel who had to change its name from the Sci-Fi Channel, because its target audience was getting too retarded to spell Sci-Fi.
The show's "investigators" are actors with no scientific training. Those of you who keep referring to this show as a scientific reference in this matter are similarly challenged.
@NuitFilms your kidding right lol if they go out their. Stop the damn Traffic. And no Lights are Seen. then There Telling the Truth. Case Closed. Idiot. And btw. thats shows fucking Awesome!
what the hell is wrong with people..... what car driving by leaves a light that shines in the same spot for that long, and when people go to the spot theres no light or car but people at the distance can see it....
@danielwhitman That's what I was thinking also. who would do that? And also if you watch the show you can also notice that the light are only seen from one side as you said.......Odd??
It isn't car headlights. I'm NOT saying it's paranormal. But I AM saying that headlights are not bright enough, and there isn't enough traffic in the area to keep that light going for the hours that it is seen.
On Fact or Fake Paranormal Files they tested the headlight theory with negative results. They also tested a plane, which also failed.
I know citing a show like that isn't very conclusive, but what I'm saying is that the headlight theory was tested, and it didn't work out.
They did this on Fact or faked Paranormal Files and it was crazy. They drove towards it and it went out of sight when up close, they tested planes, headlights ! seriously unexplainable. I would advise any people who are unsure about it find that episode
Its already been proven not to be vehicle headlights,if they were car headlights the light would come and go as the cars passed the spot,whereas the paulding light is stationary and increases in intensity.Nice try though.
i tihnk the popular video exaggerated its brightness. I saw another video that was better quality where it looked much more like car headlights. I guess maybe you have to see it yourself to decide how unlike cars it looks.
A simple fact to dispell the carlight theory is this...
There would be a predictable pattern to the lights. Cars coming down the hill would appear as white lights while cars going up would be red. Each would be about the same time viewed as it went by. I have been there over thrity times, been bored there and also scared to the point that we tore out of there fast.
its been tested with car lights.they couldent see the car lights from any where down that road.so its not debunked.and that is a computer map not the real thing.
actually, I've been to the lights on many occasions... what I saw weren't car lights unless the car was invisible. Two lights shot right passed spectators not even 150 feet away where there is no path, trail or road.
I would like to believe this simple explanation, but Fact or Faked seem to be pretty honest about debunking. Plus, they aren't the first people to test the headlights theory and come up empty handed. Not only that, but there are a number of these lights around the world.
By no means am I suggesting the phenomena is paranormal, but I am not completely convinced its headlights.
Well that was fucking retarded... just a cursory look at the video I could see it wasn't headlights... looked a lot more like a transformer blowing or shorting....
I've seen it as a white light and a red light. Headlights are white, taillights are red, so I'm gonna have to assume it's cars. I've been there several times and never saw it do anything but look like headlights and taillights off in the distance.
The sci fi channel went to this location to debunk the myth as well. With help of the state police they had blocked off this entire stretch of highway and were unable to recreate the lights with their car. When the lights appeared the automobile turned off all of it's lights but yet the light still remained. So are you telling me that this is a conspiracy involving michigan state police to let cars go through even though they had agreed to sci fi channels request? How awful!
I was there, and the poster is correct, they are just car lights. You see the road in the distance thru the forest because of the power line Right-of-way that is cut thru the woods.
The light was first officially recorded in the 60's. right after they re-routed that section of 45.
Okay, have you ever been there personally? I'd say the answer is more than likely not. The cute map only shows a straight line, but what about the forest there? Oh, and another thing, when was the Paulding Light first witnessed? Before you recklessly throw solutions about, do your own experiments and go there yourself. Prove it.
Yeah, pretty sure that when Unsolved Mysteries tried to debunk this they would have considered that. This past year, they also had researchers up here trying to debunk it as well, closed off all the nearby highways and roads for 48 hours (Detours are a pain) and guess what... It was still there. Kind of hard to blame it on traffic when there is none. No explanation for it.
This isn't a phenomenon of any kind, you can clearly see by the diagram & other videos actually showing this event taking place is in fact car lights from a road that peak near the horizon. Ask yourself why this would happen nearly every night? Because it's car traffic..
I agree with rainbo52, If they tried to recreate it, esp. using just a cars headlights as the control, that means it's less likely to be car headlights! Plus, think of all the trees that are blocking that "perfect line" shot through the woods anyway! Oh yea didn't they have the road closed off for the headlight experiment? Even though i don't think it car lights but some sort of unique optical illusion! Whatever it is it could be a something that's unknown, could be something of importance????
Wow, I thought you were actually going to prove something, judginh by th title of this video. It wouldnt be that hard to put the car head light theory to the test. A couple people n walky talkies. one in the viewing spot, one on the road. But, it may not be a car, maybe would take something taller, like a bus or truck.
car headlights, first thing I thought when I saw the original video - both the motion and repetition bear this out. Just a bunch of uneducated beer swillers having a good laugh at everyones expense. The out of focus camera with auto exposure makes the lights brightness so extreme. When the light level is low, the camera has it's exposure on high, then when the car light hits the camera directly - bammo - super bright light.
@MrArcadia2009 I don't get what the beef is? This video shows that the area where the light appears is clearly the area where a car headlights are shining directly at the observation spot. What your idea of headlight brightness is is completely besides the point. How those headlights appear is besides the point. The point is you ARE LOOKING at headlights whether you're admitting or not simply due to fact that the HEADLIGHTS ARE THERE, because THE ROAD IS THERE. You cannot prove otherwise.
Could you do a video of this from Robbins Pond Road? That's the correct viewing site. There's a similar barricade and tree line there, so it's easy to confuse the locations. Based on the map in this video, it looks like you're on Old Highway 45. I'm curious whether the highway actually matches up from the Robbins Pond Road viewing area.
the distance from the viewing spot is way to far from where they're showing the car path there's no way you could see head lights from that far away
198lilbeaner 2 weeks ago
ALL that shows is your cross eyed munky oppinion and point of view, open your left eye and try it again!
zzomby5 2 weeks ago
I think that the distance of the "car light" is way too long, for the people to believe that its the paulding light. So you are telling us that a car remains still for about 2 or 3 hours in the same place? I dont believe you. Your explanation its a goofy one. Think more carefully.
joaquinancio 3 weeks ago
I stood there for two hours (supposedly they were out at that time for the last few nights) during the "perfect" time to see them. Even a blind person could see they were just headlights. I felt more dumb after going there.
danjmills 2 months ago 5
actually this light was discovered BEFORE headlights and the highway were there....duh
anticca90 2 months ago
@anticca90
The light was first officially reported in the 60's. Both cars and that road were there at that time.
burninbiomass 2 months ago 5
@burninbiomass same with the Hornet Spooklight which was reported in the mid 1800s right???
anticca90 2 months ago
@anticca90
I have no idea what a hornet spooklight is. The Paulding light was first reported in the 60's however.
burninbiomass 2 months ago
@burninbiomass regardless of when this particular light was first reported, it may have been there long before; and it is only a theoretical "debunking" as you cannot prove a negative, especially when, in similar cases, the debunking theory has been certainly disproved.
anticca90 2 months ago
@anticca90
Find me a report before the 60's, and then we will talk.
Your error is in thinking any light worldwide is caused by the same thing. If someone cant explain a light in Florida or Tennessee it doesn't mean that a light in Michigan cant be explained. I'm not saying every "spooklight" in the world is fake (I believe in the supernatural myself, this just isn't it). have been her and saw the cars. Additionally, Michigan Tech has proven this is car lights quite clearly.
burninbiomass 2 months ago 5
@burninbiomass 1936 Kansas Star; 1947 the book Ozark Superstitions; 1958 The Ford Times are the first published accounts.
anticca90 2 months ago
@anticca90
Thats not The Paulding lights. Again, all lights are not the same.
burninbiomass 2 months ago 3
Well then, Lets see the real time experiment video, not some weird blurry thing. Have someone stand there at that point in the highway, slightly North of where you say the WRONG spot was, and respond to radio, by flashing lights in the same direction. Then if you can re-create it, I will believe you. It's simply not enough to have a computer animation tell the story. You need REAL evidence conducted in REAL time with REAL witnesses.
blaqfather 2 months ago
@blaqfather
But you can sit at the viewing spot with a real telescope and see the real road and the real cars.
burninbiomass 2 months ago 3
obiously most havent been there to actually experience it.. until you have.. there no way you can say those lights come from a car.. im sure there a natural explanation but i believe no one has yet to come up with a good one..
D02020850 3 months ago
@D02020850
Ive been there, and saw the cars myself. I saw them thru long glass, just like Michigan Tech did.
burninbiomass 2 months ago 2
the paulding lights is not faked... on fact or faked they tested the headlights theory... from that distance and over those trees, the headlights wouldnt even be visible.
KrystaEmy 3 months ago
Its not fake. I think Ripleys Believe it or Not still has an off of $100.000 to anyone who can legitimately solve this.
crzzymnn911 3 months ago
@crzzymnn911
You are thinking wrong. Ripley's never offered a reward. Thats a myth, just like "National Geographic had an article" "It was on Unsolved Mysterys" and "Its been happening for 100 years".
If you can get them to offer an award, please let me know. I'll show them the cars in 5 minuets, and spend the rest of the night at the casino that's 4 miles from the viewing spot.
burninbiomass 2 months ago 2
This is a quote from the faked or faked site "Attempts to solve the mystery of the Paulding Light have been inconclusive at best. Although some groups claim to have solved the mystery, questions remain." And if it was a car passing by why would the light remain the same for several minutes up to an hour?
fdalpete 4 months ago
Fact or faked is a laughable source. They didn't zoom into the light with their camera (because if they did you would see the cars), nor did they tell you that the vid they went there about was shot for a movie.
You are looking at a long stretch of road coming at you down a hill. Sometimes it lasts longer than what it would take for one car to cover that ground because another car comes behind it, and another car behind it. When I was there I never saw it constantly on for an hour.
burninbiomass 4 months ago 8
Well done! Its a shame that so many people a too small minded to realize the obvious truth
ThrasherGnar 4 months ago
Hey genius, THEY TRIED THIS ON FACT OR FAKED.. The Paulding Light is reliable, IT'S REAL!
deathmasta455 4 months ago
Watch the scifi show fact or faked. they tested your high way theory and its the highway so why dont you get back out there and think again. im pretty sure they had more money than you a heavily investigated it.
katievankrimpen 4 months ago
dude this is not a faked thing i live in michigan and i see it every night. me and a group of people walked for 3 hours trying to figure out what caused this light and every time we got close it would just dissapear.!! It happens every night around sunset. it is the coolest thing ive ever seen. so this info i have told you proves its not faked!!
MegaRatemaster 5 months ago
Nice try!!!
Rtfune 5 months ago
@dharvell,
@gregg11b32
Check out this video: youtube DOT COM /watch?v=YKIQ8DpWC_Q&NR=1
It's better than mine and shows the proper experiment that Fact of Faked never did, because Fact or Faked was not interested in "facts" in this particular case.
NuitFilms 5 months ago 18
@Nuitfilms well that was just one method if you watch it they also tried 3 other methods but you keep getting hung up on that one and last time i checked 3 is more than one.
gregg11b32 6 months ago
I've actually been to see the Paulding Light, and it is in the middle of absolutely freaking nowhere. Not remotely enough cars pass to have a constantly shining light as this is, nor would a car headlight get that bright from that far away. At times, this light is blinding! I don't know what the light is, but I can saw for certain it is not car headlights. There just are not enough people on the road at that time of night.
majean 6 months ago
biut don't you think it i very strange that it appears every night at almost the fact same time and that even if it was a car that the guy just does this every night
TeenageMafia17 6 months ago
Dude don't you watch fact or faked? They closed the street and they still saw it
JaredBohan31 6 months ago
I just saw the light in person tonight and it is for sure not car lights.
Kanedln 7 months ago
also, this has been going on for 40 years and no one can explain it? car headlights were not as bright 40 years ago as they are today, and the light has stayed the same all these years! "There are some things in this world our science can't explain".
fbcamix 8 months ago
true or not, still a good story!
fbcamix 8 months ago
@NuitFilms: SO it seems you are fed by very much Scientific thoughts. You wanna say someone keeps a car there every night? and you wanna prove it by using Google earth instead of some practical experiment? First learn to make some sense. Then comment.
smbigboss3 8 months ago
has anyone ever flown a helicopter or light aircraft toward the light to pinpoint it exact location? seems like it should be pretty easy nowadays to figure out its point of origin....
cosborn73 8 months ago
Does Google Earth in this occasion really show anything?
HypocrisyMcGee 8 months ago
Fuck Kevin
itsalldownhill45 9 months ago
okay fuck this shit, i just seen this thing last night and i walked the whole path!!!! and the headlights would no way in hell be able to have been seen that far a way. point blank!
maine0003 9 months ago
hey,dumb ass there are hills between there and the road so its not debunked
Drewster206 9 months ago
@ dmbfan1969 there is a reason why the scientific community regards eyewitness accounts as the least reliable evidence. your eyes can fool you into thinking all kinds of things, like the sun revolving around the earth, which makes perfect sense if all you have is eyewitness accounts, but that's why we have science.
for everyone else, there has been much better debunking videos posted since I put this up, check'em out, they are really good and prove the headlight theory to be the right one.
NuitFilms 9 months ago 29
@NuitFilms try debunking the marffa lights i dare you
elmajico361 6 months ago
I have seen this with my own eyes.I do not believe it could be headlights.Where it is located is to rural! Not enough traffic in the area to have the light be there continuously! I dont know about ghosts...but It is pretty cool!
dmbfan1969 9 months ago
to clear this up the need to have someone positioned at the part of the road that is supposed to generate the headlights and give them a two way radio, then when they see the ghost lights at the observation point they can call and see if cars are passing by. I kind of doubt it is cars. There are several other places that have these ghost lights , one is in Texas and settlers saw the ghost lights and thought it was indian camp fires.
WWBZT1 9 months ago
uhm what about 150 years ago when there was no car lights?
320samee 9 months ago
@320samee
The light has only been officially reported for around 40 years, and the reports started after they rerouted that stretch of US 45.
burninbiomass 9 months ago 3
@burninbiomass thank you, ppl dont know what they are tlkin about
maine0003 9 months ago
was there three nights ago ... no way it was headlights... there is a creek/ valley area there that the light was concentrated and traveling in no way that car got down in those woods.... and move that fast and not be interrupted by a shit ton of trees
whytower 9 months ago
Then you need a better telescope, because you can plainly see the cars thru any decent one.
burninbiomass 10 months ago
I was there with a high powered scope and what I saw was DEFINITELY not car lights. Several other people were there who also watched it through the high power scope and all saw the same thing. What we saw almost defied the laws of nature.
mlbchicky2 10 months ago
Bill Murphey is an actual scientist. (fact or faked crew member)
The360dot 10 months ago
The show could have done a better job on this... there are other reasons as well, but why, if the time-line was so questionable, was the history of when this started not looked at? I'm sure there would have been some documentation, some old-timers something to get a better history on this... They also didn't address the water in the area or the atmospheric conditions, what time of year/day is it brighter? When different colors show up? test a larger area for swamp gas? etc.
Not enough science.
dreamsurfer63 10 months ago
@dreamsurfer63
There were simpler things they didn't even do.
At no point did they zoom way into the light and hold focus. (if they did you would see the cars).
Why didn't they talk to the maker of the vid, he has his name and the name of his production company in his channel (Lionstar)? (because then they would have to admit the vid was shot for a MOVIE called "The Paulding Light", and the vid was a Blair Which attempt at publicity.)
burninbiomass 10 months ago 2
OK, so debunk this: the Paulding Light sightings have been happening A) since before that highway was built, and B) since cars had headlamps that burned oil, rather than bright electric halogen bulbs.
I've been out there when the highway was closed due to blizzards, yet the light persisted for hours straight.
I'm not defending the show. I'm just saying what I've seen over 20+ years... and no one has yet come close to proving otherwise.
drjass340 10 months ago 2
funny thing is the paulding light will shine constant for hours and the traffic is not constant enough to keep the light shining on that highway.
Superbowl45GBP 10 months ago 2
I still stand by the Fact or Fiction video they closed off the highway and ran head lights
they had no reason to lie. All of these "debunkers" didn't have the science backgrounds
( including 1 FBI Agent) or the tools that FF had. Just seeing a car in the daylight does not mean that it was causing the night light, are any of these "debunkers" able to use scientific method not guess work. I'm a LEO and if I stop you for speeding I can't say I think you were speeding I have to have facts...
cpatrick1717 11 months ago
I debunked this phenomena over 15 years ago myself. Armed with nothing more than a small field telescope. I simply waited for daybreak when I could see the cars themselves on the road! The poster is correct - the "phenomena" is caused by car headlights on a remote stretch of highway 45. If Fact or Faked couldn't figure it out with all their "scientific methods", then they are, quite simply INCOMPETENT. Sorry!
ghosthoundstv 11 months ago
Another problem I have with "Fact or Faked" is they credit co-star Bill Murphy as a "scientist". I know Bill personally, and while he is a very nice person, he does NOT to the very best of my knowledge hold a degree in ANY branch of science. He is a filmmaker by profession. I take real issue with ANYONE being assigned fake titles to lend a false sense of integrity. It's like paranormal investigators who get a "degree" from a diploma mill and then Call themselves "Dr". FACT OR FAKED INDEED!
ghosthoundstv 11 months ago
the cars have 2 lights the paulding light only has one and it is bigger and it doesnt move like that
GBPR1044 11 months ago
@GBPR1044 from 5 miles away, 2 headlights will look like one - especially when the light is distorted by rising marsh gasses - which the Paulding light is.
ghosthoundstv 11 months ago
@ghosthoundstv from 5 miles away and all the hills the "1 car light" wouldn't work there is no again No way that could happen!
GBPR1044 11 months ago
@ghosthoundstv ok then explain all the hills that were there the car lights would be hidden and the light stays and doesnt go away like cars would do
GBPR1044 7 months ago
idk why they didnt walk to it... there lazy asses drove a 4wheeler prob scared away the alien with the big flash light.....smh
Juicedup58 11 months ago
First, how is the light supposed to be there at the same time each evening if it was a car so basically it this guy and he like "im high and im going to waste gas by driving back and forth where the paulding light is to trick people." thts retarded............nuff said
XKINGX593 11 months ago
@XKINGX593
The light starts at Dusk and goes on all night (more intermittently later at night). The light does not happen only at one time.
Its not one guy driving into the woods doing this, its just people on US 45 going about their business.
burninbiomass 11 months ago 2
Its not one guy - its normal nighttime traffic driving along highway 45!
ghosthoundstv 11 months ago
im not saying i think that it isnt some kinda man produced light but this vid show only that the road crosses the elecrical lines path not really explaining much or debunking much.
Crazychriscrum 1 year ago
oh I was under the impression this was debunked with scientific rigor instead of a wild "guesstimate". And Occum's razor only works if you have ALL of the pertainant information. We don't yet.
jrc3ky 1 year ago
@jrc3ky It has been debunked with scientific rigor - by investigators from universities. Google UNIVERSITY PAULDING LIGHT . Michigan Technological University has done a great deal of research on it.
ghosthoundstv 11 months ago
the light do't mov lie tha
talk2cid 1 year ago
PEOPLE IVE BEEN HERE AND I COULD CLEARLY SEE THE HEADLIGHTS APPEAR AND TURN OFF TO THE LEFT. BUT THE PAULDING LIGHT WAS "ABSOLUTELY" THERE. YOU CAN BE WATCHING IT AND SEE CARS HEADLIGHTS IN THE DISTANCE AT THE SAME TIME. AND CAN EASILY TELL WHICH ONES WHICH. GO SEE IT YOURSELF BEFORE SAYING ITS FAKE
IT IS 100% REAL.
hydrobonanza 1 year ago
@hydrobonanza
Been there, saw it.... fake.
burninbiomass 1 year ago
because you tried debunking using occam's razor, it is clear you didn't actually prove it.
DrProph 1 year ago
I'm curious NuitFilms have you actually BEEN to the Paulding Lights? I always find it funny that the majority of "debunkers" have never actually seen the lights for themselves.
playfulprettykitty 1 year ago
Not convincing at all; even off-road, million+ candle power headlamps won't glow with the intensity of the PL at 5 miles distance.
Movickrox 1 year ago
I work in law enforcement for the state, a car headlamp 7 miles away is not that bright and I have the video of Fact or Faked testing with hi-beams ( they are not talking to any ghosts) with no light showing. Nice try but the FF people had no reason to lie....
cpatrick1717 1 year ago
@cpatrick1717 First, the observation point if about 5 miles away not 7. Second, please re-watch the episode of FF, they're clearly attempting to talk to ghosts as part of the investigation. Anybody who's seen that episode knows this.
NuitFilms 1 year ago 29
@NuitFilms you still wouldnt see headlights that bright from 5 miles away, been there. Some lights glow in green or blue. ( not headlights)
andrewmrph7 1 year ago
@NuitFilms actually they are not "talking to ghosts". they did an EVP session to see if there was something to the paranormal theories. If you watched the episode, you would see they could not conclude that as they got nothing on EVPs.
playfulprettykitty 1 year ago
@NuitFilms to be honest the evp session they did at the end had nothing to do with the actual experiments that disproved the car headlights but idk maybe it was headlights
gjgjkg 1 year ago
@cpatrick1717 If you search around on the web, this "phenomena" has been debunked MANY times over the years - by universities and REAL scientists who don't have an agenda (namely television ratings.) If Fact or Faked couldn't reproduce the effect with car headlights, then they quite simply did not go far enough up the highway. As I pointed out in another post, I've been there, I've seen the Paulding light. The light appears brighter due to rising swamp gas (methane) which distorts the light.
ghosthoundstv 11 months ago
Do the lights come and go all night? like cars on a road or highway. Or, do the lights only show for a short / defined period?
I watched the FF episode, but do not remember if they included that.
Skeptic in SA.
satodd67 11 months ago
@satodd67
Yes, the lights come and go all night. You see the lights more in the early evening when traffic is heavier.
burninbiomass 11 months ago
@cpatrick1717 Did you know you can see a match lighten up A LOT than 7 miles away?
Lemou2904 8 months ago
At least Fact or Faked went there with documented science methods including disproving the highway 45 theory that you claim sloves it. They are not all actors once again let me say to NuitFilms THEY WERE REALLY THERE no using a cheap anamation map!!!!
cpatrick1717 1 year ago
@cpatrick1717 Really? Documented science methods? Since when is talking to ghosts a documented science method? Since I posted this video, other ones have been posted as well -- way better than mine -- that debunk the light with actual telephoto footage and prove that it's car headlights: the video is youtube dot com Kh4X3gGg6Nc So there.
NuitFilms 1 year ago 23
@NuitFilms you need to get over the paranormal thing. For one... any good scientist will look at ALL angles (Paranormal investigation is actually considered a science by it's own right.) Since people claimed the lights are paranormal, they did a brief paranormal investigation. They did not conclude it was paranormal, they did not "talk to ghosts" since they didn't capture any ghosts on EVPs and did not conclude this wasn't a natural phenomenon.
playfulprettykitty 1 year ago
@NuitFilms they used shit to check for natural gases where the lights was and other stuff. stop ragging on them trying to talk to ghosts.
The360dot 10 months ago
@NuitFilms - Because, every other "real" science experiment had failed. A true scientist will have a mind open enough to consider any possibility - even the possibility that the answer defies current logic and reason, or what we call, "paranormal". Paranormal does not necessarily mean "ghost". It simply means that it defies logic within the bounds of what we consider "normal".
dharvell 5 months ago
@dharvell
No, every other "real" experiment didn't fail, because they didn't even try the most simplistic one (or didn't show you they tried it). They didn't look at the light thru a telescope, or show you that view. I was there, did that, and saw the cars. A group from Michigan tech went there, saw the cars, filmed the cars, and have the video up.. search for "Unraveling the Paulding light mystery".
burninbiomass 5 months ago 8
@cpatrick1717 Really? Documented science methods? Since when is talking to ghosts a documented science method? Since I posted this video, other ones have been posted as well -- way better than mine -- that debunk the light with actual telephoto footage and prove that it's car headlights: the video is youtube dot com Kh4X3gGg6Nc So there.
NuitFilms 1 year ago 11
@cpatrick1717 fact or faked were on the wrong part of the highway thats why they weren't able to debunk the lights... don't believe everything you see, esp something on SyFy
Youtiao22 6 months ago
Sorry but....that seems to be a bit of a stretch. Looks like over 5 miles
fsimmer1123 1 year ago
woow what is that thing at 0:36 the line go*s straight trouh it o.o
loletje11 1 year ago
u aint debunked shit!!! they tryed headlights aircraft on fact or faked and none of them matched ur pathetic attempt u nut job get back to the fuckin mental hospital please?
sleeboii07 1 year ago
Fact Or Faked is a good show, Y'all guys can kiss my ass
TheIffy316 1 year ago
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so did you try this??? or are you just being a fagg and trying to get famous on youtube for being a faggot
PhoenixainZ 1 year ago
so did you try this??? or ar eyou just being a fagg and trying to get famous on youtube for being a faggot
PhoenixainZ 1 year ago
i live in mich and i have seen this the fact is it cannot be car lights they get bright and dim real fast no movement its just cool
igwarlord 1 year ago
I don't think is cars headlights, because there's not always going to be enough traffic to keep a light that bright for such a long time. And abviously is NOT paranormal. I go more for the gas combustion theory. Or could be a mix of gas combustions and cars light. But I have to say the legend is really great.
SarahAwaji14 1 year ago
I just watched this again on LOL "Faked or Faked" It seams that the light last longer then a few seconds which could rule out headlights. I may take a drive next summer up there. I know I could figure it out by using a telescope.
jgraham1971 1 year ago
@ burningbiomass Thanks for letting us know about that video!!! It's an excellent debunking of this whole BS. Faked or Faked could've done it in two seconds but they were too busy talking to ghosts. (Did I mention how I HATE that show!)
NuitFilms 1 year ago 2
@NuitFilms If it were the case why is it not showing most of the night?
kyliexkreep 9 months ago
@NuitFilms /watch?v=YKIQ8DpWC_Q&feature=related okay you were indeed right. The rude manner in which you conducted yourself made me want to question you.
kyliexkreep 9 months ago
Im sorry, and it may be just because im only 15, but don't cars usually have 2 headlights, not just one?
Also, don't you notice how the light gets brighter, then dimmer, then brighter, then dimmer, then just goes away? It seems like if it was car headlights, they would start out dim, get brighter and brighter continuously, then suddenly stop because the car went out of view?
Think about that.
cherrycoke873 1 year ago
@cherrycoke873
The distance make them appear as one, the cars are 5 to 7 miles away. If you take a telescope, the one light becomes 2 headlights. There is vid here Kh4X3gGg6Nc , where Michigan tech students filmed the cars using a telescope.
Brighter and dimmer have to do with the bright and low beams. They drop out of view because the hill between you and the cars blocks your view of them.
burninbiomass 1 year ago
@burninbiomass thats what im trying to tell theses people but nope they still think its alf comming from melmac. or something other than vehicles. i-yi-yi-yi-y.....i
tonymonopoly11 1 year ago
Anyone... anyone can go there with a telescope and see the cars. I have. The fact that Fact or Faked didn't do something as mind numbingly simple as take one of their cameras, put on a decent zoom lens, and simply zoom into the light shows there weren't remotely serious about really saying what the light was.
burninbiomass 1 year ago
FoF only blocked off a portion of that road and its a couple miles away from where the actual light is coming from..the way the light gets from smaller to bigger and disappears and reappears just shows it really is traffic.. the red lights is the opposing traffic DUH.
mrsmelhem 1 year ago
The TV show Fact or Faked is an insult to anyone with an IQ over 95. It's a show on the SyFy Channel -- a channel who had to change its name from the Sci-Fi Channel, because its target audience was getting too retarded to spell Sci-Fi.
The show's "investigators" are actors with no scientific training. Those of you who keep referring to this show as a scientific reference in this matter are similarly challenged.
NuitFilms 1 year ago 38
@NuitFilms your kidding right lol if they go out their. Stop the damn Traffic. And no Lights are Seen. then There Telling the Truth. Case Closed. Idiot. And btw. thats shows fucking Awesome!
tanman32123 10 months ago
listen its not car headlights the guys from fact or faked shut down the road so they were the only car on the road
JackandJordanshowTV 1 year ago
Tell ya what YOU go out there and film us those car headlights... then report back :D
standauffish 1 year ago
Fact or Fake is FACT!!! >: P Also,your stupid
BARRERA2U 1 year ago
what the hell is wrong with people..... what car driving by leaves a light that shines in the same spot for that long, and when people go to the spot theres no light or car but people at the distance can see it....
danielwhitman 1 year ago
@danielwhitman That's what I was thinking also. who would do that? And also if you watch the show you can also notice that the light are only seen from one side as you said.......Odd??
RandomPanda7 1 year ago
It isn't car headlights. I'm NOT saying it's paranormal. But I AM saying that headlights are not bright enough, and there isn't enough traffic in the area to keep that light going for the hours that it is seen.
On Fact or Fake Paranormal Files they tested the headlight theory with negative results. They also tested a plane, which also failed.
I know citing a show like that isn't very conclusive, but what I'm saying is that the headlight theory was tested, and it didn't work out.
myxxnamexxis13 1 year ago
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They did this on Fact or faked Paranormal Files and it was crazy. They drove towards it and it went out of sight when up close, they tested planes, headlights ! seriously unexplainable. I would advise any people who are unsure about it find that episode
Bevlaa 1 year ago
car head lights without a doubt
MrMidnightcowboy1 1 year ago
Its already been proven not to be vehicle headlights,if they were car headlights the light would come and go as the cars passed the spot,whereas the paulding light is stationary and increases in intensity.Nice try though.
silver760 1 year ago
plus why does it turn red then? car headlights dont turn red
YeuxTombes 1 year ago
i tihnk the popular video exaggerated its brightness. I saw another video that was better quality where it looked much more like car headlights. I guess maybe you have to see it yourself to decide how unlike cars it looks.
idlenessss 1 year ago
A simple fact to dispell the carlight theory is this...
There would be a predictable pattern to the lights. Cars coming down the hill would appear as white lights while cars going up would be red. Each would be about the same time viewed as it went by. I have been there over thrity times, been bored there and also scared to the point that we tore out of there fast.
rvrwest 1 year ago
@rvrwest Just curious - what happened the time(s) you were scared to the point where you "tore out of there fast?"
ppitstop38 1 year ago
its been tested with car lights.they couldent see the car lights from any where down that road.so its not debunked.and that is a computer map not the real thing.
813az1 1 year ago
actually, I've been to the lights on many occasions... what I saw weren't car lights unless the car was invisible. Two lights shot right passed spectators not even 150 feet away where there is no path, trail or road.
playfulprettykitty 1 year ago
I would like to believe this simple explanation, but Fact or Faked seem to be pretty honest about debunking. Plus, they aren't the first people to test the headlights theory and come up empty handed. Not only that, but there are a number of these lights around the world.
By no means am I suggesting the phenomena is paranormal, but I am not completely convinced its headlights.
GrandWushu 1 year ago
Well that was fucking retarded... just a cursory look at the video I could see it wasn't headlights... looked a lot more like a transformer blowing or shorting....
pixiniarts 1 year ago
I've seen it as a white light and a red light. Headlights are white, taillights are red, so I'm gonna have to assume it's cars. I've been there several times and never saw it do anything but look like headlights and taillights off in the distance.
fightblade10 1 year ago
The sci fi channel went to this location to debunk the myth as well. With help of the state police they had blocked off this entire stretch of highway and were unable to recreate the lights with their car. When the lights appeared the automobile turned off all of it's lights but yet the light still remained. So are you telling me that this is a conspiracy involving michigan state police to let cars go through even though they had agreed to sci fi channels request? How awful!
chrisunplugged1 1 year ago
I was there, and the poster is correct, they are just car lights. You see the road in the distance thru the forest because of the power line Right-of-way that is cut thru the woods.
The light was first officially recorded in the 60's. right after they re-routed that section of 45.
burninbiomass 1 year ago
Okay, have you ever been there personally? I'd say the answer is more than likely not. The cute map only shows a straight line, but what about the forest there? Oh, and another thing, when was the Paulding Light first witnessed? Before you recklessly throw solutions about, do your own experiments and go there yourself. Prove it.
CoyoteChris74 1 year ago
WHAT IS THE NAME OF THE SONG...PLEASE ANSWER
vevovy 1 year ago
Yeah, pretty sure that when Unsolved Mysteries tried to debunk this they would have considered that. This past year, they also had researchers up here trying to debunk it as well, closed off all the nearby highways and roads for 48 hours (Detours are a pain) and guess what... It was still there. Kind of hard to blame it on traffic when there is none. No explanation for it.
SCinORtenPIOse 1 year ago
This isn't a phenomenon of any kind, you can clearly see by the diagram & other videos actually showing this event taking place is in fact car lights from a road that peak near the horizon. Ask yourself why this would happen nearly every night? Because it's car traffic..
iiapplejacksii 1 year ago
I agree with rainbo52, If they tried to recreate it, esp. using just a cars headlights as the control, that means it's less likely to be car headlights! Plus, think of all the trees that are blocking that "perfect line" shot through the woods anyway! Oh yea didn't they have the road closed off for the headlight experiment? Even though i don't think it car lights but some sort of unique optical illusion! Whatever it is it could be a something that's unknown, could be something of importance????
SoulSurferGS8 1 year ago
It was NEVER DEBUNKED!
Infact,.......they stated the mystery lights remain UNSOLVED.
Road traffic...... OR.... aircraft could NOT recreate the effect.
rainbo5250 1 year ago
Wow, I thought you were actually going to prove something, judginh by th title of this video. It wouldnt be that hard to put the car head light theory to the test. A couple people n walky talkies. one in the viewing spot, one on the road. But, it may not be a car, maybe would take something taller, like a bus or truck.
carl6405 1 year ago
car headlights, first thing I thought when I saw the original video - both the motion and repetition bear this out. Just a bunch of uneducated beer swillers having a good laugh at everyones expense. The out of focus camera with auto exposure makes the lights brightness so extreme. When the light level is low, the camera has it's exposure on high, then when the car light hits the camera directly - bammo - super bright light.
mrmordenshadowathotm 1 year ago
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mrmordenshadowathotm 1 year ago
@MrArcadia2009 I don't get what the beef is? This video shows that the area where the light appears is clearly the area where a car headlights are shining directly at the observation spot. What your idea of headlight brightness is is completely besides the point. How those headlights appear is besides the point. The point is you ARE LOOKING at headlights whether you're admitting or not simply due to fact that the HEADLIGHTS ARE THERE, because THE ROAD IS THERE. You cannot prove otherwise.
TheHarangi 1 year ago
It's WAYYY to bright for car headlights. If you were to watch the actual video,
it's up in the freaking air!! Get a clue, jerk.
MrArcadia2009 1 year ago
@MrArcadia2009 Exactly XD
xlavadiamondx 1 year ago
I love kevin macleod's music :) great composer and most of his stuff is public domain/creative commons license!
LYHOTSproductions 1 year ago
wat the hell was that.....u didnt dedunk shit
sazkwatch 1 year ago
Oh and btw how are care lights THAT BRIGHT thats like 5 miles or w/e.. so this is actually a fail :l
Starzx91 1 year ago
Could you do a video of this from Robbins Pond Road? That's the correct viewing site. There's a similar barricade and tree line there, so it's easy to confuse the locations. Based on the map in this video, it looks like you're on Old Highway 45. I'm curious whether the highway actually matches up from the Robbins Pond Road viewing area.
min816wo 1 year ago
Nice... But why is it when I went to the exact location I saw nothing but woods.. and No lights..
Starzx91 1 year ago