Obama Birth Certificate is NOT Online

[ephitania]

black folks are visually swept up and down shopping in a convenient store...can't even move into certain neighborhoods and you idiots believe that a black man in a country founded on racism and the backs of slaves (black and native) would be allowed to enter the white house and run said country? Really? Wow...you are truly a bunch of f*cking idiots.

[DABIGRAGU1]

arrogantlyignorant is a paid obot.

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@DABIGRAGU1

And you brah, are Orly Taitz' dildo boy.

[DABIGRAGU1]

@arrrogantlyignorant

And you brah? Soetoro's dildo boy or Rahm's?

If you stay out of Ken's Pancake House long enough, you can save up enough

$ to visit Man's Country in no time.

Take care.

[borderraven]

"Natural Born Citizen" (which to me, means -- hereafter, born in the United States, to a US Citizen mother, and a US Citizen father.) Barack Obama, is a US Native born dual citizen, born in Hawaii to a Kenyan born British citizen. He will never be a natural born citizen, therefore he is not an eligible president. He is a poser.

[chingo41]

@borderraven Do you idiots think for one minute that a man that runs for the President of the Unites of America isn't checked out to make sure he's an American citizen before he is even nominated, absolutely don't have the slightest idea what they're talking about.

[borderraven]

@chingo41. Yes! Obama was not properly vetted by his party to be qualified for the Executive Branch, per Article 2 of the US Constitution. The FBI, an invention of the Executive Branch, only acts under limited authority.

[borderraven]

Robert "DC Bob" Gibbs, is the Obama Chief of Propaganda, and lies almost as well as Obama.

[77sporty]

this gibbs guy is a sack of shit. washington has been takin over buy assholes.

[quaffer22]

Not only that, but on the document in question, it lists Obama's fathers' race a AFRICAN.

AFRICAN, is not a race.

FRAUD !!!

[arrrogantlyignorant]

My understanding is that when he (Barack Sr) or Ann Dunham filled out the forms, "African" is what they put on the paper.

I don't see why people make such a huge deal over it nor why they would cry "fraud" because of it. (shrug)

[VonHelton]

@arrrogantlyignorant

The correct term used in the 60's was "Negro", not "African".

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@VonHelton

Not in Hawaii

[VonHelton]

@arrrogantlyignorant

Um, I lived back then, you did not. Case closed.

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@VonHelton

You aren't from Hawaii, you haven't a clue.

[studyreligion]

@arrrogantlyignorant

In US Constitution, where does it DEFINE Natural Born as born within US territories and/or US parents, etc.

In general terms, Natural Born means, born without human intervention like test-tube babies or Cesarean.

US Constitution Art2Sec1Para5 clearly states requirements as natural (not artificially) born Citizen, OR a Citizen of the United States, etc eligible to the Office of President.

[studyreligion]

Therefore, Obama's birth place is not an important factor for his eligibility to run for US president.

As long as, he is a citizen in any country of the world (which is true) and was naturally born (yet to prove), he is legitimate to become a president.

Further, US Constitution Art2Sec1Para5 states 2 more requirements as,

attained to the Age of thirty-five Years (true), and been fourteen Years a Resident (do not know) within the United States.

Hope you guys have thought about it.

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@studyreligion

The Constitution does not define the term.

If you look at Article II, Sect 1, the Founders only gave two choices for President and VP (12th amendment)

"Citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this Constitution..."

(They grandfathered themselves in because many were born British subjects))

OR

"Natural Born Citizen" (which to me, means -- hereafter, born in the United States)

[studyreligion]

@arrrogantlyignorant Art2Sec1Para3 and 12th amendment provide the procedure by which the President and Vice President are elected. There is no mention regarding Natural Born Citizen.

The legal interpretation I came across of the above term is through U.S. Code (Title 8). Since it just provides subjective interpretations and not the accurate definition, the US Constitution has a loop hole or an opportunity for a citizen in any country of the world to be a US President.

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@studyreligion

If you look at the requirements for Senator or Representative... there is a minimum age requirement, resident of the state in which you run, citizen of the US for "X" number of years...

This means that Naturalized citizens can serve in Congress.

Are you honestly saying that the Founders made the requirements for President LESS stringent and opened it up to Natural Born Citizens from "anywhere"???

Thats ridiculous.

[studyreligion]

@arrrogantlyignorant  We can refer to anything through our philosophies, in order to subjectively interpret The US Constitution. But, the constitution remains superior and cannot be overridden, unless the terms defined or referred definitions by itself.

Also, fourteen Years Resident requirement is debated whether it be consecutive years (not traveling abroad). Obviously, these are the ambiguities. Just a mater of whether US citizens can handle the truth like $ bill.

[rachelabombdotcom]

If gibbs was trying to sell you a used car just then would you buy it? No

[arrrogantlyignorant]

My belief that Obama's COLB is real, has nothing to do with anything Robert Gibb's has said.

The main reason I feel the way I do is because my birth certificate is identical, from the same issuing agency as Obama.

It has been legally adequate for any situation in which I was required to show a valid birth certificate.

It has never been rejected nor was I ever required to get any supplemental info because of it.

I really don't understand why people insist that it is not a "birth certificate".

[pishdad]

Today someone told me they just found Obama's birth certificate and he was born in Kenya!!! I'm still waiting to hear from other sources!!

[arrrogantlyignorant]

Oh boy, a new Kenyan birth certificate??

There were already two proven fakes "found".

If there was a real Kenyan birth certificate, it would've been out a long time ago.

Its funny how these rumors get recycled every few months as "breaking news".

LMAO

[KCUAC]

oh looky........ its the arrrogantlyignorant SPAMMER again!

the person that searches for every new Obama Birth Certificate post to go and start spamming.

things that make you go hmmmmm

I feel like we know eachother already, so nice to see you are still very very interested in this issue. Like many others! lolol

good to see you bro.

everyone should remember your name, I wonder how many accounts you might have as well Mr. SPAMMER?

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@KCUAC

Interesting post, KCUAC

Once again, you seem to have to intention of engaging in some intelligent discussion but wish to launch a personal attack at the messenger.

I only have one account. I don't need anymore.

Is it really "spamming" because you don't agree with my views?

I didnt realize i was "violating" some yt ethic by clicking on "related videos" and participating in the comments?

[KCUAC]

@arrrogantlyignorant

don't give me the related videos thing again, you have stated that before.

You actively search out the BC videos, telling me you are very interested in this "NON-issue"

my question is, if it is such a non-issue, why spend so much time on it?

You can say what you want, I have heard everything you have to say a multitude of times on a multitude of videos.

I myself do not think it is a non-issue, but you are so much above this issue, why spend the time?

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@KCUAC

Why would I lie about related videos?

I never said I wasn't interested, obviously I am.

Since when do I have to justify what I do here to you?

It seems like you are the one obsessed with following me around and launching personal attacks.

How is it different for someone else to spend a lot of time and effort uploading anti-Obama videos?

I don't see you personally attacking them.

Why is there a double standard?

[KCUAC]

All I am is saying is that I see you all over this issue, on many videos.

To waste so much of your time on a non-issue is very interesting.

It is a "non-issue" right?

As far as being different than uploading anti-obama videos?

People uploading ANTI-Obama videos are not searching out issues they believe are a joke. Who goes around looking for something they think is stupid, unless of course you find it entertaining. But you seem to smart to waste your time on a non-issue.

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@KCUAC

All I am saying is that there are many people that I see continuously uploading and promoting Anti-Obama videos, who are certainly entitled to their opinions.

Why is it ok for them to spend their time the way they want but its not ok for me to spend time doing what I want?

As stated before, I despise misinformation and if looking for some intelligent, honest discussion is wrong.... then my bad. (shrug)

[pishdad]

@arrrogantlyignorant. Hmmm. Very true!! I thinks the guy who gave me the info was an idiot! As if this is the first right?!! Hmmm. Of course we do also know that the 'non-citizen' card is something the people who put Obama in power (the U.K.) are holding in case one day they need to get rid of him without killing him, right? When the U.K. decides to pull the chords they can do it w/o a big mess. That's ultimately still why the birth certificate thing looms out there.

[pishdad]

What does LMAO mean?

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@pishdad

Laughing My A** Off

[ImAGrasshopper]

Just a question for you liberal loon moderators: If the question of 0's eligibility is so false, so laughable, then why do you belittle, disgrace yourselves, why go to the trouble (embarrassingly), of removing evidence that supports it ???

Ok I'll answere for you: It's because conceptually, to you, the truth is like water to the Wicked Witch of the East.  "IT BUUUURNS"

[ImAGrasshopper]

What this discussion boils down to is that some see 0 as not being anti-American, while others such as myself see him clearly as anti-American, anti-capitalist, anti truth, anti liberty.

The difference in us is that the former will gladly remove all evidence to the contrary, and deny it ever existed.

His roots are anti-"all that" as well, going back to his Muslim upbringing, and his communist Frank Marshal Davis mentors.

Go ahead make my day and remove this one as well.

[ImAGrasshopper]

I find this frustrating, amazing and amusing, perhaps in equal parts: I made in the neighborhood of 10 comments on this post. All of them except 2 have been removed.

Too close to the truth, I guess.... The hypocracy of the left is astounding. They control the Marginal Media including Google and YouTube. If the truth hurts their cause, remove it, and keep repeating the lies.

[ImAGrasshopper]

Here is a truth: The American public has been duped, but undenialbly, they are waking up, as evidenced by Rasmussen poll of LIKELY VOTERS. (Obama's negative approval rating is at 17%.... 21% last week after his illuminating appearance on the HC debate), and by the surge of anti-Socialist Obama patriotism that is sweeping the country.

Delete this post as well, but know this: You are despicable in your lies, deceit and obfuscation.

[rachelabombdotcom]

No one has removed your comments.

[ImAGrasshopper]

About 8 seperate posts I made last night (an ongoing with arrogantlyignorant) are not here today. I've looked at the entire bank of comments.

They have been removed.

[rachelabombdotcom]

I see about 18 comments from you since yesterday. I certainly haven't removed any. You know YT isn't about free speech maybe they sent the truth squad over I don't know. I only remove vulgar comments or personal attacks toward me. I find that unacceptable. I have not removed any comments off of this video.

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@ImAGrasshopper

I know they were there. I replied to them.

I don't what happened but I wanted to thank you again for participating in the discussion.

[ImAGrasshopper]

@arrrogantlyignorant so you don't see the posts either ?

I am displaying 6 posts by me. All but one of them were posted today. Of the 10 or so comments I made yesterday, only one of them is displayed.....

my pleasure arro... it was a civil debate and I enjoyed it

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@ImAGrasshopper

No, I don't see the majority of your posts that I replied to last night.

Odd that they just disappeared like that.

[rachelabombdotcom]

I see comments from 16-18 hrs. ago I'm sorry if some of them have been removed. I would never do that. Thanks for the info and thanks for passing through and the conversation. Peace

[MrTimotheus85]

Nice post..

[rachelabombdotcom]

watch?v=eikvQi4FFa4

My buddy Bigone has the scoop his videos about this subject are very helpful.

[sammyswags]

it is online. wise up sir

[2366951]

I guess you idiot Liberals think if you say it enough and everybody will think it's true. What was put on the internet was a COLB, not a B.C. If he was born in Hawaii in 1961, then it should not be a problem for him to release his Long Form B.C. Also if Hawaii transferred all DOH records to digital, as they say they did, then they should have transferred all long form B.C. information as well. So then, why did he not release that, instead of his COLB? I have mine, where's his?

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@2366951

in an article that appeared in the Honolulu Starbulletin, 6/6/09, Janice Okubo (Hawaii DOH) states:

"No, you can't obtain a "certificate of live birth" anymore.

The department only issues "certifications" of live births, and that is the "official birth certificate" issued by the state of Hawaii, she said.

She added that the U.S. Supreme Court has recognized the state's current certification of live birth "as an official birth certificate meeting all federal and other requirements."

[2366951]

@arrrogantlyignorant: Do you just follow people around on youtube? Once again, if the DOH transferred all records to digital then they should have transferred all info. on Long Form B.C.'s, right? Then why can't he release that info.? Why can't the DOH release that info. to him? The last argument we had over this I pointed out 338-17.8, and you came back with part b of this law, right? I assume you were referring to the part that states the registrar or director, determines what info is needed.

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@2366951

No, I don't follow anyone around.

I don't know why the DOH won't release the "long form". I'm not in control of their system.

Have you tried calling them and asking?

That would be one way of getting your question answered, possibly.

Yes, Part B is where it talks about getting "necessary information to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates".

Birther/Conspiracy folks seem to think that 17.8 is a statute that says Hawaii will in fact issue fraudulent birth certificates

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@2366951

Cont'd

You cannot get a birth certificate from Hawaii saying you were born there if you weren't. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous.

The DOH will give you a COLB but it won't say you were born in Hawaii unless you can prove it.

Are you saying otherwise?

[2366951]

@arrrogantlyignorant: Do you not think that it would be easy enough for the DNC or Obama himself to just bribe the director or registrar for a COLB? Now, I'm not saying that he did, but, I don't think it would be that hard to do.

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@2366951

Sure, anything is possible but you have to be realistic. Once that happens, the conspiracy gets bigger and bigger. How many people are *IN* on this little secret?

The entire Hawaii DOH, Rep Gov Linda Lingle, the FEC, DNC, FBI, CIA, INS, all of Obama's cabinet and family starting with his mother that planted the birth announcments in two newpapers because she knew her baby boy would run for president (and win!) 48 years later?

Thats a pretty far fetched possibility.

[2366951]

@arrrogantlyignorant: How does the conspiarcy get bigger and bigger? You say that his COLB is an actual Hawaiin B.C. If he in fact did bribe the Director, not the entire DOH, then why would it go any further. According to what you say, he has an authentic Hawaiin B.C. Where you get the rest of them I don't know. NOBODY did a background check on him, nobody in Congress vetted him, as the Constitution says the Senate is supposed to do.

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@2366951

It has to get bigger and bigger. The Director is only one person. There is the State Registrar of Vital Statistics and Chief of the Office of Health Status Monitoring (see the stamped sig on the COLB), he is *certifying* that the info contained is true. There are people that enter the actual data. There is the Republican Gov. Linda Lingle that confirmed he was born in Hawaii.

Cont'd

[2366951]

@arrrogantlyignorant: No. The law states that there is one person responsible for that. ONE!!! After that nobody else has to know. The Gov. is not listed as a person of tangible interest in the DOH law 338-18

So in your argument there is no possibilty that he could have bribed someone to get a COLB? Because the "conspiracy" would be HUGE, right? Way to go with the leftist argument there. That is the same argument that I have gotten since I started asking questions.

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@2366951

Its not a "leftist argument". Sorry if I tend to be based in reality. Thats all I'm saying is that once you bribe one person, you have to start covering up all the others that might be involved or might squeel.

Linda Lingle broke no laws. She did not reveal any info that Obama had not already revealed.

With all the scrutiny over this and with all the people that knew him from before. You think they would've "kept it quiet" all this time?

[ImAGrasshopper]

What "all the people that knew him before" ??? His past is is an enigma wrapped in a mystery hidden in a wagon drawn by a sock horse puppet.

For instance can you cite one person (who can actually be found, verified and contacted) who knew him or recalls his presence at Columbia ???

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@ImAGrasshopper

No, I didnt follow his college years.

I was thinking more about a couple of girls who graduated with him at Punahou, who have been found, verified and contacted.

And, while we're at it, perhaps you can tell me why his college records have anything to do with eligibility?

[ImAGrasshopper]

I'm using the college records issue to call into question your "all the people..." statement.

But more to the point, I'm not just questioning his eligibility, I and many question his entire history as a human being, which has been hidden and obfuscated by the Soros cabal and a complicit Marginal Media.

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@ImAGrasshopper

But all of that has nothing to do with eligibility issues and the birth certificate, which is what the video is about.

Call me what you want, I just don't see some guy with a mysterious background that all of a sudden is running the country.

[ImAGrasshopper]

A COLB, used to demonstrate to the public his birthplace and "therefore" his eligibility, has been repeatedly refered to by Robert Gibbs as "proof".

That document was never certified by Hawaii as legitimate, and in fact it has been determined to be fradulent, How is that unrelated to BHO's eligibility?

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@ImAGrasshopper

The COLB is a standard issue birth certificate from Hawaii. If you are from Hawaii and you apply for a copy of your birth certificate, thats what they give you.

It is a State issued, Certified document that was legally sufficient for him to get on the ballot to begin with.

It has the Hawaii State seal and the stamped signature of the Registar, so it IS Certified.

No one has determined it to be fraudulent other than totally partisan biased blogs and right wing extremists.

[ImAGrasshopper]

In 1961 a COLB could be legally issued based on an unsubstantiated statement by a relative.

Hawaii DOH refuses to make a statement regarding any of the supposed COLB's that were posted by factcheck, which to my knowlege have all been taken down. At least one of those was posted without a supposed seal.

google: ATLAS EXCLUSIVE: FINAL REPORT ON OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE

There are many sources which provide evidence of his ineligibility. If you regard them all as

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@ImAGrasshopper

Where is the evidence that a COLB could be legally issued based on an unsubstantiated statement by a relative?

If you weren't born there, it won't say you were.

The DOH will not comment because they are bound by the same laws that protect the birth certificate to begin with (HRS 338-18)

The doument analysis by Techdude was discredited a long time ago.

Thats not evidence anyway.. that is only speculation but since discredited, moot.

[ImAGrasshopper]

338-17.8(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate.

When, and by whom was the analysis by Techdude discredited?

And where is that "certified" copy of the COLB ??

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@ImAGrasshopper

338-17.8 goes on to say:

"The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate"

That to me says they want proof that what they are Certifying is actually true.

[ImAGrasshopper]

"may also" does not demand any other action, certification, corraborating evidence etc be given.. But "in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate" clearly allows that a mere statement would be acceptable, as I stated earler.

Do you really not understand the NBC requirement, or are you just having me on....

I would very much like to have a link to that "certified" copy I keep hearing so much about

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@ImAGrasshopper

To contend that Hawaii Law mandates issuing fraudulent birth certificates, is unrealistic.

If you weren't born there, they're not going to give you a birth certificate saying you were.

Whats to stop someone from getting a bc for their "baby" who is actually their 36 yr old cousin that wants to bypass immigration?

You havent told me what the definition of a NBC is or where you found it.

The certified copy is the COLB, which you've dismissed.

[ImAGrasshopper]

I am in no way saying HL mandates isssuing fraudulent BC's. The present statute wording allows the director use their discretion, hence, again, my statement that a fradulent statement without verification may legally be used as a source.

Ron Polarik's statement (re-posted on "free republic") that the web postings of the COLB were forgeries, was affirmed by Sandra Ramsey Lines, a federal forensic document examiner (says she).

NBC = Natural Born Citizen

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@ImAGrasshopper

There is another detail I forgot to mention. HRS 338-17.8 did not become law until 1982.

By then, Obama could've bought his own beer.

There is a lot of evidence that suggests that Ron Polarik's identity is Ron Polland, who is not a forensic document expert but holds a doctorate in instructional systems.

I know what NBC stands for. I asked you if you have a definition of what a natural born citizen is and where you found it.

[2366951]

@arrrogantlyignorant:You asked why I say they are hiding behind 338-18, right? I say that because,

1) The DOH, now refuses to even discuss or release any statements about Obama's records

2) It is mainly what people state to me why he doesn't have to release any info.

Now, as I stated before, it would be logical to assume that when DOH transferred the original paper files to digital they would transfer ALL info. on ALL birth records, right?

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@2366951

What can I say about Privacy Laws? It is what it is. They wrote those laws and the definitions for a reason. All citizens are entitled to the same protection. Why should Obama have less?

I guess you would need to lobby the Hawaii legislature to change that.

As far as transferring data, one would think the records would be transferred in entirety but that probably isnt the case. I'm guessing there is some standard related to some computer database model or something.

[2366951]

@arrrogantlyignorant: I'm not saying that he should have less. Your telling me that you are perfectly fine with the fact that the POTUS, could possibly not be a Natural Born Citizen? You don't see a problem with the fact that he could be a foreign national?

[arrrogantlyignorant]

I believe Obama is a natural born citizen. He is not a foreign national.

This is the short version:

He was born with dual citizenship. His mother was a US citizen, his father a British subject. He lost his British citizenship when Kenya gained independence in 1963. In order for Obama Jr to become a Kenyan citizen, he would have had to renounce his US citizenship after his 21st birthday. Kenya allows a 2 year window. Since he did not renounce US citizenship, it expired Aug 4 1984, at age 23.

[arrrogantlyignorant]

Cont'd

The Constitution does not say anything about dual citizenship. I can't see any reason why a person could be born with dual citizenship but still be a natural born citizen of one country or the other.

[rachelabombdotcom]

Sometimes you have to look deeper into the past to see what the intention was. Abraham Lincoln stated he thought Black men should have freedom and stature but not be elected to office or even vote. He both freed the slaves and furthered the black cause. It's about loyalty to America there is no dual loyalty only one. The founders recognized what would happen if outsiders could destroy us from within. And the central banks were mentioned. Look what has happened...

[arrrogantlyignorant]

I don't quite understand what you are saying when you refer to Lincoln's statement.

I honestly don't think that Obama has displayed anything but loyalty to the US. I haven't seen any evidence that he is trying to destroy the country from within.

No, I don't think he is perfect but I also don;t think he is intentionally trying to harm the US.

[2366951]

@arrrogantlyignorant: I have seen it as well as read it, it proves nothing. As for his college records they are protected. They cannot be released without his permission. I brought them up because if he received foreign student aid he would in fact had to of claimed foreign citizenship, thereby making him ineligible for President, regardless of where he was born. But, you probably think I'm wrong on that point as well.

[rachelabombdotcom]

Maybe Lincoln saw this coming.

watch?v=js5TZqcqQb4

watch?v=_MGT_cSi7R

watch?v=opxuUj6vFa4

watch?v=ivmL-lXNy64

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@rachelabombdotcom

How do these videos relate to Obama's eligibility to be president?

"Black men should have freedom and stature but not be elected to office or even vote"

Are you saying he should not be president because he is black?

One of those videos clearly tried to paint him as anti-white and possibly muslim by quoting things he has said totally out of context.

[rachelabombdotcom]

Lincoln most likely saw that some black people when given positions of power within the Gov would seek to further the causes of black people at the expense of everyone else. Like those black democrats who covered up the Fannie Freddie until it was too late and then pushed all the blame on bankers and Bush.

I didn't say it Lincoln did. I didn't say I agreed with it either but it seems he was on to something now 1 year in to the black panther presidency.

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@rachelabombdotcom

Interesting point of view.

I don't see things in terms of black or white and I think that we as a country could accomplish so much more once we learn to grow past it.

I find it interesting also that you point at a "black panther presidency" in light of the fact that Obama is half white as well.

I never witnessed the black/white thing until I moved to L.A.

I had always heard about it but never saw it for myself first hand.

Cont'd

[rachelabombdotcom]

Remember the black panther voter intimidation during the election? The DOJ had a solid case and when Eric Holder came in it was dropped.

How many black people feel like this caller does I wonder?

watch?v=29tgcfGHxWE

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@rachelabombdotcom

I highly doubt that Obama remotely condoned anything the panthers might have done.

Why is it considered "patriotism" when gun advocates showed up at presidential events wearing loaded firearms?

Re: the caller in the video. I didnt say that racial tensions don't exist. I said I think its high time we all work to get past it.

Especially since we have a mixed race president.

[rachelabombdotcom]

I beg to differ on that Black Panther case. Holder is obama's lap dog and I doubt he does much without approval.

I'd say that caller suffers from more than racial tensions. Black people and some white people have taken to calling any criticism of obarry into racism. The only thing I have seen obarry doing is having a beer summit. I don't know how much that's helping. I wonder if that's why all his school records including his writings have been sealed as well as his birth certificate.

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@rachelabombdotcom

You're free to see things as you will but I honestly think if what you're saying is true, that there would be much more blatant violations going on with the Administration backing it.

I also don't understand why people say his records are "sealed". The birth certificate is protected under HRS 338-18 Privacy laws. He hasnt sealed it. I would guess his school records are protected under privacy statutes as well. School records have no bearing on eligibility.

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@rachelabombdotcom

I was born and raised in Hawaii around the same time and basically the same place as Obama.

I grew up with people of every race, nationality and mixture you could imagine.

We were all the same. I don't look at people as different races, I never have. To me, there is only one race..... *human*.

My feeling is that Obama views people very similarly to the way I do. Of course that is only my opinion.

Live Aloha!

[rachelabombdotcom]

You said that you don't see obama as anything but loyal to the US. I beg to differ I see him bowing in Saudi Arabia when most of the supposed terrorists came from there. Yeah that's loyalty... Do you think it's loyalty?

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@rachelabombdotcom

Honestly, I don't see his bowing to anyone as a sign of weakness or subservience. I see it as him showing a sign of respect.

To me, showing respect, gets respect in return.

Although terrorists may have come from there, they are from radical extremist groups and do not represent the majority of the Saudi or other Middle East countries/people.

[rachelabombdotcom]

American Presidents do not bow to anyone. It's a sign of submissive weakness and our incompetent state dept should clue obarry into that before he makes a mockery of the office again. What I asked was do you see bowing in Saudi Arabia as a sign of loyalty to the US? School records certainly would come into play if it shows him getting foreign student aid.

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@rachelabombdotcom

Again, in my opinion, he was merely showing some respect to the Saudi King. I don't see this in the least bit as disloyalty to the US.

How is it any different to George W Bush walking around his ranch holding hands with and kissing the Saudi king?

/watch?v=QRhDzpJV2TM

Again, school records and how he paid for them are not part of the Constitutional requirements to become President.

[rachelabombdotcom]

I'll stand with the Muslims if the political winds blow in an ugly direction."  What does that mean?

[KCUAC]

rachelabombdotcom

just block this spammer arrrogantlyignorant

the persons name is very very accurate

go search through a few Obama BC videos, you will see several hundred posts by this person on most of the videos, he is obsessed with the topic, and he has dents in his forhead from where Obama tea bags him over and over and over.

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@KCUAC

If someone is blocked for simply having an opposing view, then that is only presenting half of the debate. I guess that is one way to portray "truth", simply censor the other viewpoint.

Once again, KCUAC, if you would like to talk about issues, fine. If not, please refrain from personal attacks that have no basis in reality.

Attacking greatly diminishes any credibility you might have otherwise.

[rachelabombdotcom]

thank for the advice but I think arrogantly ignorant has been civil and I see no reason to block him unless he becomes nasty. I may not agree with him but I will protect his freedom of speech as long as it's civil. You want to see nasty? Go here:

watch?v=YYdk26ezVio

I've been fighting this issue there for over a year. The three barrybots over there don't have much of a leg to stand on without a Birth Certificate so they resort to some pretty nasty attacks. Kinda funny...

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@rachelabombdotcom

That video is filled with lies and misinformation.

I have not read through the comments yet.

A couple things...

Obama's Kenyan grandmother clearly states that he was born in the US, in Hawaii.

Perhaps you have not seen the full clip in which she says that?

Also, Obama was never an Indonesian citizen.

Because he was born in the US, he could not lose his US citizenship as a child unless he was under 5 years old. He was 6 when they moved to Indonesia.

[rachelabombdotcom]

See that's the thing. Because HI granted COLB's to people who were not born there that calls into question his actual long form BC and makes it necessary. As to Indonesia if he wasn't a citizen what is that doing on his school paperwork. So far I haven't seen anything to prove he was born in the US. Nothing he has presented has a seal or a signature on it. If I took something like that to use as a BC it would not be accepted without seal and signature. watch?v=6Iy8i61DmAg

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@rachelabombdotcom

If you were born outside of the country, Hawaii will not issue a birth certifice saying you were born in Hawaii.

A school form is hardly a definitive resource that proves or disproves Obama's citizenship.

He could not lose US citizenship unless he was under 5 yrs old, no matter what his parents did.

The COLB he submitted is State issued and Certified. The DOH has verified that they have his original vita records on file.

If he was born elsewhere, why would they have it?

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@rachelabombdotcom

It has the raised State seal and the stamped signature of the Registrar.

Let me add that the spokesperson for the Hawaii Dept of Health has stated that the Hawaii issued colb is in fact a valid birth certificate recognized by the US Supreme Court as meeting all Federal and other requirements.

The COLB contains also has the following statement on it:

"This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding. [HRS 338-13(b), 338-19]"

[rachelabombdotcom]

watch?v=OSKzjNKPthc

If that doesn't hammer it in then try this:

watch?v=nHReVqpdIyM

Anyone still not having doubts after all this fishy weirdness about Soetoro/Dunham/Obama has got to be on the payroll.

Have you seen how many social security numbers he and his mother have? Even if you don't want to imagine it's their doing honestly they each have about 20 different ones. How many women are named Stanley Dunham and How many Barack Obama's? There are some variations but um really...

[arrrogantlyignorant]

There is no proof that Obama's COLB is a fraudulent document.

The out of sequence numbers of the Nordyke Twins bc can be explained a

number of ways. It could be as simple as a pile of forms falling on

the floor and were put back out of sequence. It could be their mother

was admitted to the hospital earlier than Stanley Ann Dunham or other

possibilities.

The Nordyke twins also went to Kindergarten with Obama and even

graduated with him from Punahou.

Cont'd

[arrrogantlyignorant]

Cont'd

In all honesty, IMO, the uploader of the videos you cited is playing semantic word games.

Why would the Hawaii Dept of Health have Obama's vital records on file if he was not born there?

The uploader contends that because they call it original "vital records", that it means Obama's bc is 'amended'.

If it was amended, the COLB would have a notation saying so.

It is extremely misleading to contend that Hawaii will issue bc's saying you were born there if you were not.

[studyreligion]

@arrrogantlyignorant If someone challenges the published birth certificate is fake, where Obama administration has abused powers, how would that be clarified?

Are there well maintained and numbered registers to cross-check?

[VonHelton]

@studyreligion

It is a FELONY to forge a legal document.

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@VonHelton

Obama hasn't forged anything.

[VonHelton]

@arrrogantlyignorant

Yes he has. He failed to disclose his other legal name, Barry Soetoro.

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@VonHelton

No, he didn't.

Barry Soetoro was never his legal name, obviously.

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@studyreligion

I would think it would begin with some evidence showing that the document is fake, which of course, there is none. Its all speculation and hearsay.

The Director of the Hawaii State Dept of Health released official statements, twice, that they have Obama's original on file in accordance with all state policies and procedures.

[VonHelton]

@arrrogantlyignorant

I did a video proving the posted document was fake.

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@VonHelton

LOL... "proving"

LMAO

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@rachelabombdotcom

I believe the way Obama meant this was that in a post 9/11 world that 'normal', peaceful Muslims may be targeted with harrassment.

I think it means we cannot allow religious harrassment.

[rachelabombdotcom]

I'm not sure when that quote was made but for a Senator or a an American President to say something like that is frightening at best and treasonous at worst. He said "I" not Americans. I think his muslim heritage and his muslim Indonesian upbringing is why he has such an affection. Within the quote I see nothing mentioned about 9-11 or peaceful muslims. I think obama has a love spell on you. Please wakey wakey you've lost your ability to think critically.

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@rachelabombdotcom

It was a misquoted line from his book "Audacity of Hope"

From FactCheck:

A second false quote has Obama saying he would "stand with the Muslims," words that don't appear in his book. What he actually said is that he would stand with American immigrants from Pakistan or Arab countries should they be faced with something like the forced detention of Japanese-American families in World War II

Fwiw, I don't think Obama has any type of spell on me, I despise misinformation.

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@rachelabombdotcom

Actual quote from "The Audacity of Hope" [pg. 261]: Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging.

Cont'd

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@rachelabombdotcom

Cont'd

They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific assurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.

[2366951]

@arrrogantlyignorant: Why would that not be the case? Are you telling me that some records were posssibly "lost" in the transfer? How convenient. As I said, I have my Long Form B.C., why can't he provide his, where is it? That is what people like me want to know.

[arrrogantlyignorant]

I'm not telling you that some records were lost in the transfer. What I said is that it seems that they (DOH) is moving towards some type of standardization model to make information easier to track with new technology.

The main reason I see as far as why Obama can't provide a long form is that the DOH no longer issues them.

Altho it doesn't address Obama's bc directly google this name and read the starbulletin article. It may help you.

His stamp is on Obama's colb

Google: Alvin Onaka

[2366951]

@arrrogantlyignorant: If this were the case, then it would also be logical to assume they would be able to release that information to said person when requested, right? So, why then has he not released it? Why did he release a COLB instead? The paper announcements, mean nothing, anybody, then and now, can put any announcement in any paper, in any city. The papers do not care, as long as they get the money for the announcement. It is just circumstantial evidence at best.

[busymartian]

@2366951

The announcements were pot in the newspaper by the Dept of Health.

[2366951]

@arrrogantlyignorant: You asked about his past, nobody knows anything major about his past, except what he has told us. I ask you, concerning his colleg records, is there something in his college records that he doesn't want us to see? If, he went to Occidental College as he says he did, how did he pay for it? Scolarship, a job? We don't know. He said himself that he had nothing when he came back to the U.S. Could he have recieved foreign student aid?

[arrrogantlyignorant]

Obama's college records don't really interest me so I haven't paid much attention to that.

You will not like this answer but I believe that school records are most likely protected by privacy laws as well. I don't know how he paid for his college tuition.

I doubt he got foreign student aid. He graduated high school from Punahou in Honolulu.

His school records and how the bills were paid don't have any bearing on his eligibility to become President.

[ImAGrasshopper]

Surely the laws on citizenship were not more stringent in 1961.

Vattel's "Law of Nations" defines NBC and has been relied on by the USSC to decide cases. I don't think it is clearly defined anywhere else.

Thanks for the lively debate!

[arrrogantlyignorant]

While there is no doubt that the Founders used the ideas and opinions of de Vattel, they did not use his definition of NBC for Article II Sect 1 of the Constitution.

"Law of Nations" was published in French in 1758. Although it was translated multiple times, the phrase "Natural Born Citizen" did not appear in a translation of "Law of Nations" until the London translation of 1797.

The US Constitution was written 10 years before that translation was published.

Mahalo to you as well!

[busymartian]

Ron Polarik claimed to be a document expert and that the COLB was a forgery: Polariks real name and lack of credentials was exposed.

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@ImAGrasshopper

Ron Polarik was one that discredited Techdude.

Google it, its out there.

Its unrealisitic to contend that Hawaii will routinely issue birth certificates to people not born there saying that they were born there.

I don't know where they keep the certified copy.

[ImAGrasshopper]

... If you characterize them all as right wing extremists, and therefore as unreliable I can't help you any more. Facts will just be disregarded...

[busymartian]

Determined to be fradulent by whom?

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@2366951

Cont'd

What do you mean no background check?

George W Bush and Dick Cheney controlled the CIA and FBI during the entire campaign. They supported McCain. I know they are idiots but do you honestly believe they did not check Obama's eligibility?

Why arent any of the other major candidates jumping all over this so one of them could become president?

Because they know its non-sense.

[2366951]

@arrrogantlyignorant:Really? IT WAS NOT THEIR RESPONSIBILTY!!! I can say the same thing about his grandmother. It is all circumstantial evidence.

I'm not saying that he was born in the U.S. and I'm not saying that he was born in Kenya. What I'm saying is there are questions that he has not or refuses to answer about his past and his birth. And all I get is "you're a birther" or "you're a conspiracy nut". Well, I don't like him, trust him and I think as Pres. he needs to answer these questions.

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@2366951

What do you prefer I refer to you as, since you seem to be overly sensitive to "birther & conspiracy person"???

What questions are you contending that Obama NEEDS to answer?

A State issued, Certified document is hardly "circumstantial evidence"

[busymartian]

His Grandmother said he was born in Hawaii.

[2366951]

@arrrogantlyignorant: If that is his true B.C., as you say, then why are his registration numbers out of order? Google the Nordyke twins, and you will see what I'm refering to. If he has nothing to hide, as you say, why doesn't he just release all of his records and just settle this once and for all? All people want is his Long Form B.C.

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@2366951

The sequence numbers are really irrelevant. There could be many reasons why that happened. Maybe the stack of forms fell on the foor and were out of sequence when placed back on the desk?

Maybe someone kept a form over the weekend before filling it out?

The Nordyke twins went to school with him starting in kindergarten. They also graduated with him from Punahou HS.

My COLB is identical to Obama's. Its never been rejected nor have I ever had to provide additional info.

[2366951]

@arrrogantlyignorant: Did you google them? If you did you would see that they were born a few days apart.

The newspaper announcements are irrelevent and prove nothing. All people like me want is the long form, that's it. My point is this, there are to many questions surrounding him and his past that he either refuses or ignores that need to be answered. The entire media is also at fault in the fact that they refuse to do any research or any investigations into him.

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@2366951

I know all about the Nordyke twins. The out of sequence numbers dont mean anything.

The newspaper announcement, while not concrete proof... DOES corroborate the rest of the evidence that he was in fact born in Hawaii Aug 4 1961.

The key thing here is that you don't have any evidence that flat out disputes anything on his COLB. If you did, I would agree with you.

But you don't. Its only speculation.

Obama does not have the burden of proof.

You do.

[ImAGrasshopper]

Both of my children were born in Florida, yet an announcement of their birth was placed in my hometown newspaper in Alabama, by my parents. It's what grandparents do. Obama's birth announcement means nothing.

It could have been used as a tool by Obama's grandparents to falsely establish his birth in the USA for citizenship purposes. Countless thousands and thousands of people have risked or even lost their lives to get US citizenship, either legitimately or by deception.

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@ImAGrasshopper

The newspaper announcements, while not concrete proof... DOES corroborate the rest of the evidence that he was in fact born in Hawaii Aug 4 1961.

His grandparents lived in Hawaii.

Just because others have fraudulently become citizens, does not prove that Obama did that.

[ImAGrasshopper]

The "evidence" consists of a fake COLB posted by factcheck, a liberal org funded by Annenburg, a liberal funded org., and some obscure statements and contradictions by the Hawaii DOH.

I will be pleased to continue this debate with you, as you seem to be a reasonable but misinformed person. I'm having trouble believing that you are a liberal, or even an Obama supporter

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@ImAGrasshopper

What evidence do you have that the COLB is "fake"?

The fact of the matter is, there is no serious evidence that can flat out dispute any of the info given on that COLB.

If there was, I might agree with you, but there isn't.

[ImAGrasshopper]

@arrrogantlyignorant, I don't have proof that he wasn't, and you don't have proof that he was. In fact I won't even say with confidence that he wasn't born in Hawaii. He may have been. I will say with much confidence that there has been a cover-up of his background. If you don't believe that then there is no possibility that we can continue an intelligent conversation.

The real issue is not his birthplace, but his status as an NBC. He isn't.

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@ImAGrasshopper

What "cover up" are you referring to?

Also, what is his status as a NBC. Why isn't he?

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@2366951

See? Now you're saying the entire media is in on the conspiracy because they refuse to research or investigate.

How big is it going to get before it is "exposed"?

[2366951]

@arrrogantlyignorant: No, I didn't say they were part of the conspiracy, I said they were at fault for not doing any research or investigations on him and accepting him at his word.

[busymartian]

In the hospital, you're handed a packet of documents to fill out. Somone needs to comiple these packets. (I did this.) Some have serial #s. The Serial #'s don't indicate birth order the date and time does, they are just unique #s to match a pt name to. But it does loo like the twins and Obama got their paperwork from the same pad. How many numbers are they off by? 4?

[MrPurplejersey]

This is a misinterpretation of Okubo's statements. If you request a birth certificate, you get a COLB. If you request a document in the possession of the State, and you are entitled to a copy of that document under Freedom of Information legislation, you get that document. Apparently, there is a birth document of some kind for Obama in the vital records of the State (BC or affidavit). Obama is certainly entitled to it. A litigant would also be entitled to subpoena if guably relevant .

[2366951]

@MrPurplejersey: Yes, but if you look at law 338-18 in Hawaii, it says who they consider a person of tangible interest is. Which is what the DOH is hiding behind.

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@2366951

Why do you say they are hiding behind it?

Those laws are in place for a reason. They have other records there besides Obama's.

Are you saying that he should not be afforded the rights that other citizens have?

Although I haven't checked I'm fairly certain that most states, if not all, have similar privacy statutes.

[busymartian]

The document Obama posted is a birth certificate.

When you apply for one in Hawaii, this is what they give you.

[marksmnj]

Obama released his birth certificate during the campaign, the state of Hawaii said it's both genuine and accurate. He's a natural born citizen and always has been, end of story.