Porkers of the Month 11/2010: Sens. Tom Carper and George Voinovich!

[dmonat]

Why do they need to provide money for the monkey. Doesn't the government get their cocain for FREE?

[99butcher99]

18 cents? It should be $1.80. The infrastructure projects are coming. projects like that do not just appear out of the sky one day.

They need to change the name to bullshit.tv

[El3ctricPenguin]

@99butcher99 u mad?

[99butcher99]

@El3ctricPenguin no. get it up there where it should be so that the US is paying about what the rest of the world is paying. We could afford to fix the damn roads and bridges and still have money left over for schools etc. Americans have to apply the same rules to themselves that they want to apply to the rest of the world when they over extend themselves. You pay more taxes and fix the problem.

[WNxShisno]

@99butcher99

Fail troll has failed?

Or, we could do this crazy thing called bonds.

For example: Nancy Pelosi decides that every classroom needs an aligator (to sniff-out potential terrorists). Instead of congress being able to just "allocate" funds to the aligator project, people can decide to buy them if they believe in the project!

I know, I know... the thought of people being able to veto idiotic spending plans seems absurd but, once upon a time it worked! Crazy, I know.

[99butcher99]

@WNxShisno

Eventually you have to pay for the bonds. How do you pay for the bonds? Taxes. Another way would be to just quit giving the oil companies and the other huge corporations grants to do what they would do anyway. Get proper royalties from the oil and mining companies for what they extract quit corporate welfare. Start taxing the super rich with inheritance taxes and income taxes. Taxes are not a bad thing. Especially when someone who can afford them pays them.

[th3gr8juan]

@99butcher99 I thought they were shovel ready?

[99butcher99]

@th3gr8juan It is hard to make a highway project "shovel ready" on short notice. Those projects are coming. "shovel ready" was an unrealistic pipe dream

[th3gr8juan]

@99butcher99 That's my point. It takes years to get an infrastructure project going. The better thing would have been to leave the money in the private sector where you actually can get jobs and businesses going in a relatively short period of time without the overhead that is Washington, D.C.

[99butcher99]

@th3gr8juan Ok, so why are the roads in the US so bad? More and more money is being left in the private sector and more and more money by way of reduced taxes in the hands of the rich. Unemployment rates rise and the rich get filthy rich followed by stinking rich and you just keep getting poorer. You know the average secretary pays more in taxes ea year than her billionaire employer?

[th3gr8juan]

@99butcher99 First of all, the roads are bad because the money that is supposed to go to the roads doesn't get there. It goes to pet projects that get people re-elected. And a secretary does not pay more in taxes than a billionaire employer. They may pay a higher percentage, but when was the last time that secretary created a job or a product or a service other than typing and making phone calls? Billionaires are billionaires because they produce something that people use and buy and pay for.

[99butcher99]

@th3gr8juan THere is a million dollar prize out there for any millionaire who can show that he pays more in taxes. It is actually offered by Warren Buffet who is one of if not the richest man in the USA. He says he pays more, and not as a percentage. Do I believe him or you? 18 cents per gallon is a total joke. There is not money for roads because Americans think theycan have it all and not pay taxes. wake up people. look around you.

[th3gr8juan]

@99butcher99 If Buffet doesn't think he pays enough taxes, then let him cut a bigger check. Put your money where your mouth is. I won't be holding my breathe.

[th3gr8juan]

@99butcher99 Mr Buffett said that he was taxed at 17.7 per cent on the $46 million he made last year, without trying to avoid paying higher taxes, while his secretary, who earned $60,000, was taxed at 30 per cent.

17% of $46M is just slightly higher than 30% of $60K.

[th3gr8juan]

"I'll bet a million dollars against any member of the Forbes 400 who challenges me that the average (federal tax rate including income and payroll taxes) for the Forbes 400 will be less than the average of their receptionists."

Tax Rate. Not tax dollars. And like I said before, he can easily cut out a bigger check. But he wants to go further than that. He wants to take a gun and make others pay higher taxes.

[99butcher99]

@th3gr8juan Sorry, you are right. When you leave the words rate out it makes a big dif. BUT the question remains, why is someone making $46,000,000 paying 17.7% and someone making $60,000 paying 32%

[th3gr8juan]

@99butcher99 It's a simple answer. We can debate the merits of it, and whether it's right or not, but his earnings are from capital investment, not wages. So he gets taxed at a capital rate rather than income tax. I'm sure I'm not saying anything you don't know though. But again, there are two responses I have for Mr. Buffet. 1) Whatever tax he thinks he should pay, just write the check. And 2) his contribution is WAY more than his secretary's. He helped save American Express for crying out loud

[99butcher99]

@th3gr8juan He is putting his money where his mouth is. He said the rates or the deductions should be removed. But not just for him, for everyone.  And if he had not saved american express would we miss it or would someone fill the void? What is one more credit card company more or less?

[th3gr8juan]

@99butcher99 He is not doing anything of the sorts. If he was really putting his money where his mouth is, he would write the check and say "follow my example." So now instead of living by his own values, he wants the federal government to force people to take other people's money. You'll have to forgive me if I don't think of him as a martyr. And the American Express example is showing that in that one act, he probably did more for the economy than his secretary, or I, will ever do.

[99butcher99]

@th3gr8juan What would have been missed if Amex went under? Nothing. I would send my amex payment to Visa or MC or someone else. What good would him paying 30% extra make. Raise the rate and or get rid of all those exemptions for the rich. . Just getting rid of thetax cut for theadds 1.5 million dollars to the tax roll from Rush Limbaugh alone. Also, a mil from Beck, about $750,000 or so from Hannity and on and on.

[th3gr8juan]

@99butcher99 I don't know what would have been missed, but you should probably ask the people that used to work at Wachovia what is missed now that Wells Fargo took over. Or the people that used to work at Ford now that people buy Honda.

[th3gr8juan]

Also, we don't "pay" him an extra 30%. He keeps it. BIG difference. So what would he do with 30%? Put it into more businesses maybe?

[th3gr8juan]

@99butcher99 $1.80? That would really hurt the rich, right?

[averagejoe040]

Voinovich is my senator. Frikkin RINO piece of crap that he is. Eat shit and die George.

[Nonoyawns]

I always love the music in these videos!

[MegF142857]

Hey... horse trails are good!

[FiveofHearts1]

This was uploaded on my birthday.

Best present I got.

[ASnakeintheGrass]

That was really funny until I remembered what you are saying is really happening.

[pinegrove33]

CAGE is one of the best organizations around.

[dogbishop]

Bet you could train the monkeys to fix potholes if you used cocaine as a reward. Now that's what I call Stimulus!

[wpaxton]

I didn't even know monkeys used cocaine, and here the government is give giving them free cocain but they can't fix the damn roads? Make the monkeys work for their addiction.

[anarchylogic]

I love the monkey.

[kainniak1]

god damn it cite your sources you lazy fucks, your libertarianism is showing

[Darkwizzrobe]

The last time I checked I am some kind of ape and I could go for some infrastructure right about now

[moneyisneutral]

I'm against most government spending but I really can't oppose giving cocaine to monkeys. That's just completely awesome.

[plasticjesus108]

THEY CAN'T SKIM ENOUGH CREAM OFF THE TOP!

[throwntomato]

unbelievable.

[FSBlueapocalypse]

IWhere's my study for free cocaine?

[mcap52]

If you want proof that the money isn't being spent on highways,take a ride thru the state of Virginia.

[furyofbongos]

Government = taxation = coercion = violence = chaos and destruction.

Just look around.

[IVoteNone]

@furyofbongos No. Government = taxation = coercion = compliance = arbitrarily allocated resources, more coercion, some violence for noncompliance = a large unreasonable nuisance to most people. The government doesn't have to use much violence if the threat of violence is sufficient enough to deter people from disobeying the laws.

[furyofbongos]

@IVoteNone Perhaps I can help you see the chaos. You get a pay decrease every single year via the gov's destruction of the value of the dollar. If you are carrying "too much" cash you can have it confiscated w/ no crime committed (civil forfeiture). Welfare state creating more poverty while keeping 80% for salaries and pensions. Murdering children due to Iraq sanctions and war. More laws than any human can comprehend. Katrina/Fema (that should be enough to convince anyone). Tip of the iceberg.

[IVoteNone]

@furyofbongos I'm not denying that the things governments do are destructive and detrimental to our well-being; I'm only saying that they go about this destruction in a rather orderly fashion. Although violence is the underlying motivating factor that keeps this entire system intact the actual physical use of this violence does not occur as often because the threat of violence is usually sufficient for compliance.

[furyofbongos]

@IVoteNone - Agree. There are many worthy paths to promoting true liberty. One of the paths I choose is to try to expose that hidden violence or threat of certain violence. To raise the table cloth and expose the gun under the table that no-one talks about.

[IVoteNone]

@furyofbongos Taxation and other laws are sometimes irrational, unreasonable, immoral, whatever you want to call it, except not chaotic or violent. Collecting tax revenue seldom results in gunfire, beat-downs, or otherwise physically damaging behavior because people are scared enough, as any rational person would be, to comply with tax laws so as to avoid the damage of state exercisation of actual physical force, which admittedly is not pretty and rather chaotically arbitrary.

[IVoteNone]

It's important to make a distinction here because when libertarians say things like "taxation is violent" most people rightfully don't believe this because they have been paying taxes for years and most never have had a gun in their face or been hit with a nightstick. Argue that taxation is made possible by violence but is seldom administered due to the threats of such being sufficient. It really is a significant difference. You can avoid violence by paying so it's not usually a violent process.

[furyofbongos]

@IVoteNone your elaboration of my simplistic equation is spot on. Violence (coercion, threats) is the foundation of gov. It has layers of sophisticated propaganda and pomp built on top of it to cloak the violence.

The root of "the problem that is gov" is the populace that sanctions it, not the gov itself. Education is the key to a peaceful transition away from the chaos and heartbreak of gov. There is nothing to go towards, just a permanent movement away from the initiation of the use of force

[MooseOfReason]

"That monkey is really jonesing for some more infrastructure."

Hahahahaha.

[TheHDaleLibertarian]

Two people who saw this one love Obama.

[Leavon]

@TheHDaleLibertarian Now three it appears.

[goPistons06]

i bet if you gave the stimulus money to a 10 year old he would spend it better

[goPistons06]

it is truly amazing how wasteful governments are.

[snitkerfanforever]

Yet more reasons why the government wastes our money.

This is a problem on both sides, not just the dems or the gop. Vote libertarian.

[manboy1]

"Giving cocaine to monkeys" I'd say that money was well spent.

[Vegemighty]

This is why I watch reason. It goes places where other media doesnt even dare

[JETZcorp]

"... because that monkey is really Jonesin' for more infrastructure."

Excellent line!

[yakyakyak69]

FACTS:

(1) Power naturally concentrates and corrupts.

(2) Ambiguity requires interpretation which leads to the concentration of power.

These facts of human nature NEVER change.

That is why the Federalists pushed through passage of the Bill of Rights to end the ambiguity in the Commerce and General Welfare clauses.

Activist judges and Statist politicians are traitors to the Constitutional protections of OUR natural liberty and domestic terrorists against We, the People!

[scrappmutt2]

So if i spend all the money i make on jet skis, yoga, and monkey drugs instead of paying the mortgage, i can insist my boss pay me more because what he is paying me is not covering my living expenses, right?

[llamalord111]

I can understand taxes but only when the money collected is invested in something worthwhile.... like the highways the taxes are supposed to go towards.

[CircusCat]

Cocaine is a hell of a drug.

[yougiberishtube]

thumbs up

[Chibiwaza]

these guys are gonna give me some more powderd sugar bananas!? Horray!

[Libertarianist]

I could care less about taxes. Spending, on the other hand, is what I truly contempt.

[1974cpdmm]

LMFAO! HAHAHA! Scary at the same time though.

[SrgGoofy]

omfg

[leatherneck19741976]

Keep the pressure up! Vote the bastards who betray us like this out!

[aphtj]

I could go for some "infrastructure" of my own. Sign me up