When it comes to pop, jazz, funk, and everything in between music, the Afro-American music culture (AFC) is the center of the universe; Maybe our black brothers know how to move on and not rehash the same o same o oldies; AFC is a powerful, rich, and vibrant musical culture, always exploring inventing creating, I don't know if you can say the same about the a lot of brown bros n sisters stuck in pretty sing song land.
this song reminds me of some very special to my heart in 1976 who graduated at copiah academy in 1976 was avery special lady we were very close. wow how the years go by . this is us our life then one of those hard to say things Tommyfaye i still have many good feelings for you, you are still beautiful asyou wewe at 16 yea never known whiche direction life send ya inhoping to hear from you
So much talent and creativity back then. Today a lot of the music only talks about slappin, 'bitches' or, 'hoes' upside their head, chasing around in a shiny car weighed down by gold chains and spraying bullets out of the car from machine guns. It is these things now that enslave black people. What did Marting Luther King die for? Never mind as long as people think they look cool. Get on with it if that's what makes you happy.
Total horseshit. ALL American music came straight out of the Protestant churches. Gospel is the root of it all. Blacks from Africa were exposed to gospel. All Africans ever did was chant and hop up and down. Much like hip hop "artists" of today.
@bender138 You're spewing even more horse shit. There were hymns and spirituals. No genre known as gospel until Professor Thomas A. Dorsey combined spirituals with blues and jazz. He called that new sound gospel.
@bender138 black history's the biggest joke i've heard of.At school, why do we only learn about black history in febuary, when we learn white history all year round. I'm not bitter to white men only white man.
Black History is not only a joke,it is a joke being played on the people who believe in it by their alleged leaders. It is hypocrisy in it's highest form. Blacks scream about "Equality",and then they turn around and create special categories for themselves that exclude everyone else in order to make themselves seem "special".
Secondly,there is no such thing as "Black History" other than in pre-historic Africa. History doesn't play favorites. There is only "history",period.
@bender138 LOL! You have a degree in White history , dont you?
"Blacks scream about "Equality",and then they turn around and create special categories for themselves"
Everybody does that. Asians,Latinos,Arabs , they all have their ethnic enclaves, their own media,entertainment, etc etc everybody wants to separate from you culture-less white americans ,cant blame em
dam thats was sup .. id do anything for my love that i saecrh but for now its all about school . an live my life stright shit.. fuk them dam foos who be messing with hynas minds, shit i got a good head on my shoulders and still doing good goin to college and all that bulsshit .. shit best believe i aint no stupid ass hyna.. but much love for the music
let me tell u something u have no fukin right to fuckin tell me en que hacer alright so fuckin mindyour own buisnnes and go fukkin judge someone else and one more thing u don't know me or know how i was raised so for u to say be alady and all that shit is worthless i am who i am and if u dont fuckin like it keep your mouth closed.. and as for the cholo college u dont know shit go to my fukin school and u see the majority are doing good so go ahaed fukin stereo t
Because were not here to be your little entertainers bro, you know what chicanos do?? we beat the shit out of dudes like you on our way to a real fight... you probably grew up gettin whooped by mexicans n grew up 2 b a brown hater ass fag
Today's music comes right off the 'assembly line' without the passion and romance of artists of yesteryear. What you heard back then was the real deal. What is heard today is manufactured by studio technology. In my opinion, today's music sucks big, big time.
Even though we makeup only 12% of the population-2 Black artists-the young lady Rihanna and the young man L'il Wayne have million upon millons of hits on the tube. I'm sure many, many of them come from our Black youth. This can be a good indication of which artists our youth embrace.There is a concern about the preservation of "old Black" music.The way to preserve it is too keep our young Blacks in tune to it.We also don't want to vilify or belittle those who help us to keep the old music alive.
I agree, but you have to realize Li'l Wayne and Rhianna are of their generation and they are major stars of that generation. Also, many of those hits are from white, hispanic and other kids that are into hip hop.
There are wonderful young artists out there today that black youngsters are digging on, too.
For example, Chrisette Michelle, Ledisi, Alicia Keys, Anthony Hamilton, John Legend etc.
Janis became a legend at Woodstock with Jimi Hendrix. Garnett never had that kind of a stage.
"Fever" was co-written by Otis Blackwell (aka, John Davenport). He wrote Elvis Presley's early songs. I've had my say, so I'm moving on. "Got to get back to the party". I'll keep exposing and educating our Black Youth. Once again to the Chicano community, thanks for up/down loading the oldies. To "Outrun..." If we want to keep the identity and the reverence of/for Black Music-encourage Black Youth to listen so they can keep the passion going. Everybody keep the songs(rolas) coming.Peace to all.
Thanks for their help. In 1963 Garnett Mimms(Black) sung "Cry Baby". Radio couldn't contain it. Every Black household had it. Janis Joplin (white) remade it. You Tube hits Garnett 60,488, Joplin 5,797,724. Our Black kids don't know him.Our children have not been exposed to so many great old Black singers. I have neices and nehews-on Friday nights, we listen to all the old artist. I want them to know what we have contributed to the music world.I appreciate the Chicanos and others-they listen.
Another good example. Little Willie John, singing "Fever" and then the remake by Peggy Lee, gets much more hits. Teach your young about who really sang the original songs.
That's a powerful statement and I agree to an extent. We need to continue to educate our youth to this music. We can't get caught up on hits to particular songs. Janis is the Queen of Rock. Garnett is not going to come close to her.You'd have to compare her to someone like Marvin Gaye
Too, blacks only make up about 12% of the population, so all things being equal a higher number of hits would go to a white artist. There is also, a difference in internet access but I get your point.
I live in a major metropolitan area that use to have 2 Black Soul stations, one white station that played main-stream Black hits and one "Oldies" station that played a bit of everything-all of them gone. Radio reached everyone(in the home, work and cars). Everyone had one. Radio exposed us to a variety of music(blues,soul, oldies etc.) DJ's gave the audience tidbitsof info about the artist song, or rec.company. We don't have that today. Now, the Internet and You-tube
contain a wealth of information about Black artist. Videos have put faces to Black artist's music and unknown facts have been have been supplied. The older Blacks knew Elvis Presley's older music was written by a Black person-they didn't know who. Stevie Wonder told us-Otis Blackwell. We know our soulful music. Its identity won't be lost especially if we teach our younger Blacks to explore it. I still appreciate the Chicano community for embracing and loving it.
And embrace it we do. We realize that these Black artists made a great contribution in way of these oldies, which I like to call Lowrider Oldies, respectfully.
chicanos can embrace the music. chicanos can love and celebrate the music. "Each one teach one". The heritage of Black Music needs to be passed to the youth. Wynton Marsalis has been criticized by some white Jazz fans for standing firm in his ideals with respect to Jazz music and for encouraging Black youth to participate in Jazz and preserve the genre as Black American Culture's creation and gift to the world.
A positive in bridging the generation gap, teaching young Blacks about Black American Music Culture and Heritage is the collaborations which have taken place between Jazz musicians and young Rappers. Miles Davis collaborated with the Rapper Easy Moe Dee and produced the song "Fantasy" which won a Grammy. When Rappers sample vintage Soul Music, younger listeners are often interested in hearing the original version of that sampled song, so learning can occur in that way as well.
@outrundaylite you make great points but just a couple corrections....its Easy Moe Bee..and hes a producer not a rapper...and the album won a Grammy..not the song...and besides the instrumentals which were produced by Moe Bee, the album is actually pretty terrible...take off the corny rappers they had, which no one ever heard of and are no longer in the game, and the album would be a thousand times better..just with Moe Bees production and Miles' horn
The way to obtain music has changed tremendoulsy. We've gone from records,eight-track/cassette tapes,cd's,mp3's,ipods etc. We no longer have Black radio stations which fueled Black music, including the "Oldies". Radio use to keep us in touch with old and new music. Now we have You Tube. Many people, Black, Chicano and others have up/loaded a lot of good old Black music. I just don't believe there's a need to "FEAR" a Chicano takeover of Black music. Let's all keep the music alive and enjoy it.
I believe there are still quite a few radio stations which feature Black/urban formats - and then, there's BET (for what it's worth). It is useless to fear, especially when the outcome is inevitable. RocknRoll began as a Black music genre. Today, RnR is regarded as white music. I've read that Black performers aspiring to play RnR encounter strong resistance from the white "powers that be". The music should be kept alive, but the music's origin and identity should remain intact and revered.
Well, we older Blacks refer to them as "Oldies but Goodies" or simply as "Oldies" (short-cut) because of a song sung by Little Caesar and the Romans(a Black Group) titled "Those Oldies but Goodies Remind me of You"(c.1961). Back in the day, Black radio stations also had "Oldies Hour", "Oldies Night" etc. We had a good time listening to all the good old music. Some Black DJ's also referred to songs played during the "Oldies Hour " as "Blast from the Past". The term Old School came much later.
You're right, nightshade. Thanks for the knowledge. And of course, I do remember all of the titles you've mentioned. Oldies IS the original term for the music. Unfortunately, some - not all - chicanos seem to have co-opted the word oldies, attached the word "chicano" or "Lowrider" to it, and under that identity have claimed ALL music falling under that designation as being chicano culture. Many - not all- of the chicanos doing so are as racist as any member of the aryan brotherhood or the kkk.
It's not "all about oldies". Oldies is NOT a genre of music. Oldies is a format of music which compiles music created in a certain era. The intent of every brown pride/la raza comment posted by a mexican and calling the music "oldies" instead of what it is - Old School Soul/R&B - is to ignore and deny the Black American cultural origin of the music. No mexican sang this music. Black people sang this music. That doesn't mean you can't love the music all the same. Just give credit where it is due.
@outrundaylite lmfaoooo xD......STOP FUCKING ARGUING MAN. you can talk and talk and talk but CHICANOS WILL NEVER STOP LOVING THOSE OLDIES BUT GOODIES<333
Nothing wrong with chicanos loving the Oldies But Goodies...nothing wrong with that at all. That's why the music is here, to be enjoyed. chicanos need to realize however, that many people of all races, nationalities, ethnicities and cultures have the right to enjoy this music as well. Oldies music is not exclusive to chicano culture. That brown pride/la raza noise cannot be allowed to drown out the beautiful chords of a truly UNIVERSAL music.
To all the Chicanos, this is one soul-sister (African- American) who doesn't have a problem with you calling it "Brown-Eyed Soul", "Oldies", whatever....Thanks for up/down loading Black music. Just keep listening ,so "We" can keep the party going. Peace and keep the rolas coming.
Im with you, super soul sister. We are all kinda in the same boat here, being minorities and all. All I ever wanted to do was enjoy this fine music without persecution. Right On!
"outrundaylite" i didnt even bother reading your last like what 5 paragraphs?...lmaooo...i said my point of view, u said urs..which i dnt agree with. thats it. not gonna waste my time anymore. I DONT EVEN CARE. i FUCKING LOVE MY OLDIES, I DNT GIVE A FUCK IF A BLACK PERSON SINGS THEM. I JUST APPRECIATE THE MUSIC. THATS IT.!
You didn't bother reading my comment but still you commented on my comment. Reading my comment wasn't a waste of your time. Reading my comment EDUCATED YOU and regardless of your stupid reply, dispelled much of your IGNORANCE WITH REGARD TO THE TRUE ORIGIN OF THIS MUSIC...WHICH IS A BLACK AMERICAN ORIGIN. Appreciate Black Music all you want. Just you remember it is BLACK MUSIC, not mexican music. "That's It!"
Chicanos buy the majority of these oldies via C/D or musical downloading. So that means the Black Artist, or their family collects the royalties from these. So I beg to differ, Black Artists are kool with us calling these Latin Oldies. Its putting money in their pockets, and keeping their music alive.
No one is begrudging the right of an Artist to be paid for their music, nor is anyone saying music is to be appreciated and enjoyed by some and not by others. That said, just because chicanos are enthusiastic paying patrons of this vintage Black American music, does not make this music Latin Oldies. You can't "buy" the culture of another people. For years, white suburban youth purchased the majority of Rap CDs. Those purchases did not make Rap Music any less a genre of Black American music.
Well here on the West Coast no one has a problem with us calling them Latin Oldies, not even the Blacks here. So I will continue to do so as Ive known them to be for 40 years. And I acknowledge, the artists are Black, the Music is Black, but when we play them at our parties and our BBQ's, they are our Firme Rolas....
There are many Blacks who enjoy eating Asian and Latin cuisine knowing of course, that the food is not of Black American origin. If like you, chicanos acknowledge vintage Soul Music as being Black American and not chicano in origin, being Black American culture and not chicano culture then no problem exists. chicanos are free to enjoy the music just as anyone else would be. However, if chicanos see brown pride in Black music and consider Black music to be chicano culture that presents a problem.
Ok, here is my take on all this. We dig the Lowrider Oldies, as us Chicanos call it, but its just a moniker we put on this Lowrider Music. Black people dont have to take it as Gospel that we are trying to steal your music. We are just embracing it, identifying it as we know it. Blacks renamed Detroit as Motown, and did the city's forefathers have a fit? This is too much ado about nothing.
The reason chicanos dont remake this kind of music is because even though there r a lot of people who like oldies theres more who dont and people wont buy it as much as they did way back when it was made. they call it brown pride because its f%&# nice music and if the blacks arent going to appreciate what there grandfathers made then why not make it ours
Yes, this is how it seems to be. Young Blacks dont appreciate the music their forefathers handed down to them, they rather listen to hip hop and rap. But any generation Chicano loves this music and this is why we covet it.
Simply because chicanos enjoy the music doesn't make the music brown pride. Black American music is as foreign to chicano culture as the Spanish language is to the Black American culture. chicanos should not try to make Black music chicano culture because Black music is not chicano culture. Black Americans have created a vibrant, powerful, living music culture. What exists now is the offspring of that which existed. This music is the offspring of Blues, Jazz, Gospel, Rock&Roll, R&B. Black Music.
its little too late...oldies ARE apart of chicano culture. chicanos are part mexican AND part american. spanish music is mostly apart of the mexican culture. its not like i expect u to listen to african tribal songs..just because blacks are from that descent. chicanos have made up our own culture and it involves a little bit of everything...
There is no such music genre as "oldies". Black Americans don't have a "made up culture". Black Americans have a unique, rich and powerful culture. Black American music culture is the envy of the entire world. mexican, mexican-American, chicano, I don't care which. Many mexican-Americans have tried to deride Black Americans for having no culture while at the same time, attempting to create a "made up" culture using music created by Black Americans. How does that add up to so-called brown pride?
I beg to differ. There is a music genre called Oldies, or Oldies but Goodies. This argument about the original artists being Black and Chicanos embracing that music can go on forever. Recognition, you got it. Appreciation of the music, thats our thing.
You're confusing music GENRE with music FORMAT. It's easy to do. Let me give you this example. A person goes to school to become a Doctor, but not a Lawyer. If it were music, the person's GENRE would be Doctor, not Lawyer - two DIFFERENT professions. Eventually, the person will become a RETIRED Doctor, but that is ONLY BECAUSE the DOCTOR has BECOME OLD. So the Doctor has become an OLDIE, but was first and always a Doctor. The Doctor did not begin his/her career as an OLDIE. Get it now?
The Doctor is the GENRE. The old and retired Doctor is the FORMAT. You'd want a young surgeon doing heart surgery, probably not an older surgeon whose eyes are not as sharp or hand not as steady. You're then choosing a FORMAT, not a GENRE. Both are the same GENRE. They're both Doctors, but their FORMATS are different. One Doctor is younger = younger FORMAT. One Doctor is old and retired = OLDIES FORMAT. Soul Music is NOT Mariachi. 2 DIFFERENT GENRES. However, both can become OLDIES, same FORMAT.
There's a difference between music appreciation and music appropriation.The word Vintage means Old. A vintage Soul Music song is a song created by Black American culture, not chicano culture. A vintage Mariachi song is a song created by Mexican/chicano culture, not Black American culture. Many chicanos appreciate old Soul Music. However, too many chicanos try to claim old Soul Music (Black Music), as chicano culture because that Soul Music has become old. Old Soul Music is NOT chicano culture.
Here's another example of Genre vs Format, or Genre vs Oldies. I mean no offense to old people. Genre A = Female. Genre B = Male. 2 different genders/genres. Format A = Young. Format B = Elderly (Old). Genre A is female and will ALWAYS be a female but her FORMAT will change from young to old. Same applies to Genre B. Unless B has a sex change operation, it will ALWAYS be male. When Genre B ages, the FORMAT will change and Genre B becomes an OLD male. Neither is BORN old. Both BECOME old.
Ive NEVER once in my life heard anyone say that black Americans dont have culture!...and your RIGHT us Chicanos ARE trying to "make up" our own culture...because theres no place for us...where to American for the Mexicans, and too Mexican to Americans..i dont even know if that makes sense too you..its complicated being a chicano ...
You're very young. People have been saying Black Americans have no culture since before you were born, since you've been born; they're trying to say Black Americans have no culture still today and those racist-minded fools will still be trying to push that bull when you're old and gray. You might not have heard anyone say Black Americans lack culture, but I'm positive that you have heard many racists, many of those racists, chicano racists say even worse things about Black Americans.
well i dont know what part of the country your living in, but where im from nobody says that about black people..."we dont have it anyworse"..haaaa dont make me laugh...wen the africans came here, YOU werent here to witness everything they had to endure!...most of us chicanos have parents who are not here legally, and have are parents ripped away from of us. we have to witness that.
You have NO idea of what you're talking about. Millions of Africans dying in the Middle Passage. Raped bodily and culturally and enslaved when they arrived. Parents killed before their children's eyes. Fighting bravely in this nation's Revolutionary and Civil Wars and still not accorded citizenship until centuries later. The kkk killing and STILL killing Black people. Black people are STILL witnessing white AND chicano racism and Black people are STILL overcoming white and chicano racism.
boo hoo. ur ancestors got forced here. well my ancestors got there land taken as well in tenochtitlan, now known as mexico. my people got killed and raped. so dont come saying all this stuff with ur ancestors cause i KNOW where i came from. this has nothing to do with music.
"boo hoo"? You say "it's complicated being chicano". I'm saying Black Americans have overcome and are STILL overcoming tremendous odds. That's not "boo hoo". That's BOOYA! chicanos ARE mexican. It has to do with music and culture. chicanos are trying to run away from their mexican culture and trying to create a "let's pretend" culture by imitating and claiming the music and cultural customs already established by Black and white Americans. You're copycats. That is nothing to be proud of.
It has everything to do with music. Music is a mainstay of a people's culture. When the first Blacks were brought to North America they were stripped of their language and weren't even allowed to have drums! So a new culture created out of remnants of Africa they remembered and influences from new land. Spirituals, gospel, blues, jazz, ragtime, R&R, soul/r&b, hip hop all came out of the Black American experience here. Where you come from has nothing to do with our history and music.
@luvureally to the person who said that they didn't hear black people playing oldies must not live in new york city, just turn your radio on to kiss fm,wbls at any given time ,or hang out in the parks and you would hear and seea black person playing the old jams, and no offence to my brown sisters and brothers,but just be cause they listen to the music doesn't make it theirs. when are black people going to get credit for things that they do???????????
@REDSUNSHINE1951 It seems that most of the people making those comments are from Cali and southwest. Very small percentage of Blacks live out there. Majority of Blacks live in the east and most in the southeast, so there views are shaped by less than 3% of Black population.
@REDSUNSHINE1951 that could be in new york, but here in the west coast chicano people is the one that are keeping these jewells alive. with all due respect my new york friend.
@luvureally I am Mexican by birth, but an American Solider by choice. I totally agree with you. This great classic song by Sam & Bill is a true SOUL classic. This is a beautiful & very soulful song that if it touches your soul, you can feel the emotions deep in your heart. I have loved this song very since I was just a little boy growing up in Compton, CA back in the 60's. I have been looking 4 this for over 30 yrs, I found it and my heart jumped 10 ft. A TRUE CLASSIC - Be Blessed!
true.we have taken oldies as our own. i dont care. i have. i see it as a chicano thing. so what.?.whats the big problem?...its not like us chicanos say " oldies our OURS NOW, and not the blacks anymore." NOBODY says that.
You see vintage music as a chicano thing? You need to see an eye doctor then. chicanos have long imitated many aspects of Black American popular culture all the while hating Black Americans. Nothing new to Black Americans. The entire world imitates and emulates Black American Music Culture (see Average White Band). chicanos want to live in Black America's PAST and then yell "la raza" and "brown pride" like it's cool. Create your OWN culture from your own experiences. THEN chicanos can be proud.
so just chill. you should be glad. chicanos are a big part why oldies are still as popular now. you think you would be listening to this oldie above if it wasnt for "reyesm13"..which by the last name sounds like hes chicano. hes keeping the oldies music alive by way of youtube, uploading all these oldies but goodies, and hes a chicano.
Black artists want to get paid like anybody else. Black artists and Black people aren't too cool with people outside Black Culture trying to claim Black Culture as their own. The music of Black Culture has long been expropriated by white U.S. culture. Rock&Roll began with Black Americans and is now considered white music. Many white American Jazz fans are working overtime to make Jazz "less Black" in origin. Now some chicanos want to brag about keeping Black music alive while killing Blacks.
chicanos don't have it any worse than most immigrants and had a better start of it than did Black Americans whose ancestors did not immigrate to the US by choice, but were forced to this nation in chains and dehumanized. Because of the indomitable spirit of Black Americans, they survived and in surviving, grew naturally into the great culture of their great people. Now chicanos want to create a "let's pretend culture" using the music culture of Black Americans? That's not brown pride, is it?
chicanos don't have to make up a culture of their own. chicanos have a culture already. chicanos are US citizens of Mexican descent. Mexican culture IS chicano culture. In fact, a pregnant Mexican woman can cross from Mexico into the US and give birth. She is still Mexican but because her baby was born in the US, he/she is technically chicano. chicanos seem to want to run away from their Mexican heritage and create a made up culture from imitating others: a monkey-see, monkey-do culture.
I've nothing against you or chicano people, but again I have to take issue with your saying that chicanos are a people "out of place". chicanos are Mexican. chicanos involved in the Aztlan movement are trying to stake a claim to U.S. territories annexed by this country after its victory over Mexico in the Mexican-American War. These chicano militants often refer to themselves as Aztecs. I don't have to tell you that the Aztec Empire was in the HEART of Mexico. chicanos are Mexican culturally.
Blacks brought their African rhythms here and combined it with harmonies and sounds they found in the new land and created entirely new genres of music -ragtime, blues, spirituals, gospel, soul/r&b, R&R, jazz, hip hop. etc., Why have Chicanos not used their Mexican musical heritage to create new music instead of piggybacking on the music heritage of others - Chicano soul, Chicano rap, Chicano rock, Chicano funk, etc.,? You have been part of USA for centuries.
@KhemuLuxons .....that's funny you say that because if it was not for Chicanos these songs (oldies) would have died a long time ago. I don't even understand your point. Understand this youngster the memories of a time, generation, and of era lives on because of the appreciation of this music. I don't hear blacks playing oldies. If it wasn't for Chicanos oldies would of died a long time ago. So you should appreciate that some else appreciates what you don't.
@rico1mac I have no argument with Chicanos "preserving" or "reviving" the music of Black America. I take issue with it being referred to as "Chicano" music. That title implies that this music was created by Chicanos. That is a false, Chicanos played no part in the creation of this music.
@KhemuLuxons It is not Chicanos that call it Chicano music it is the record companys and why ? Because they cater to the buying public=Chicanos. Blame the record companys and the artist that still remain. The era in Black American history is an art left by geniuses of their trade. But the major buyers are Chicanos and they call the music "oldies" not Chicano music. I give credit to the Black Americans for the music. I give Chicanos credit for keeping it alive. Black + Brown Pride = Oldies
@rico1mac Even if it is a marketing ploy by the record companies, there are many comments posted by Chicanos referring to it as Chicano music and at the same time making disparaging remarks about Blacks. No doubt there are living musicians who are very grateful for the support of this community. It is wrong, whether it be record labels or the fans, to call this music anything other than soul/r&b. A serious question, how is Brown pride derived from a Black art form?
Because you cannot claim the creative legacy of another people. Chicanos played no part in the creation and development of this music. Buying and listening to this music does not make it yours. By attempting to make it yours you are no more than a culture vulture.
Is the creativity in the Chicano community so lacking that you are reduced to appropriating the past musical achievements of another group instead of creating your own sound? Nobody will ever mistake the soulful, gospel drenched music of Sam & Bill and other soul/r&b acts as Chicano or Mexican.
I have noticed that most young Blacks prefer to listen to Rap Music over oldies, so eventually these oldies will soon be lost forver, whereas, Chicanos pass these songs down from generation to generation, which mean that these Lowrider Oldies will never be lost to us.
I've read comments saying "THEY don't make music like this anymore." The "THEY" these posters must be referring to are the original creators of this music, most of whom appear to be Black Americans. You say that Black Americans have abandoned their vintage Soul Music while chicanos hold it up. Why don't chicano bands form and imitate this music they love so much? Rather than pass along this great music created by Black culture, why don't chicano bands create something imitation, but homegrown?
Oh come on now, get real. Thats like saying, why doesnt somebody imitate swing music? These song are priceless treasures and cannot be imitated. Why do you have such a problem with Chicanos digging this music so much?
I'm as real as a $100 bill and as serious as a major heart attack. Agreed. These songs are priceless treasures which belong to Black American Culture. chicanos can dig this music to their heart's content (even the racist chicanos), but they shouldn't claim "brown pride" for the music of Black American culture. It appears you are hoping Blacks forget this music exists so that chicanos can claim the music as their own. I'm saying why take something secondhand? Chicanos should simply imitate it.
I don't have a problem with chicanos digging this music. Black American music is universially appreciated, emulated, imitated and sometimes, appropriated. Appropriation is what whites have done and what so-called "chicano oldies" is attempting to do. Applying "brown eyed soul" and "Lowrider Oldies" to vintage Black American Soul Music is the same thing as identity theft. "Lowrider Oldies" is a means by which a people can claim ownership of a cultural achievement that is not their own.
I feel that you have a problem with racist views, and I do too. I have many black friends, since many are into the lowrider movement also. Is this to say that Black artists only made the music for blacks to enjoy? I once meet Brenton Wood, and he was thrilled that Chicanos enjoy his music. It seems that there is only a handful of people that take offense to it. Hey, Don Julian and the Meadowlarks even came out with a song called " Lowrider Girl". Like it or not, there is a connection here.
The artists responsible for this music intended everyone hearing it to enjoy it irrespective of race, ethnicity, etc. Should chicanos stamp "brown pride" and claim for chicano culture the music produced by Black American Culture? If I like your home, you would appreciate the compliment. However, if I began moving furniture into your home and made your home my new mailing address, you'd have a serious problem with that. You'd probably call the police. There is no real connection that matters.
R.I.P ALBERT LOPEZ OVS13
BEOWULF1513 2 weeks ago
For your love I would do anything for your love.....yes indeed!
alma01mia 1 month ago
I say it's a one of a kind oldie. WTF is a Afro African music culture hahaha let's just call it oldies bcuz that's wt they are.
x3brian187 2 months ago
I would do anything I'm your puppet
kalinidarlinghamala 2 months ago
Dedication to my 1st love Sina Tauanuu
kalinidarlinghamala 2 months ago
Terrible version. Give me the original by Ed Townsend and even the cover by Peaches & Herb.
Dickneeds 3 months ago
When it comes to pop, jazz, funk, and everything in between music, the Afro-American music culture (AFC) is the center of the universe; Maybe our black brothers know how to move on and not rehash the same o same o oldies; AFC is a powerful, rich, and vibrant musical culture, always exploring inventing creating, I don't know if you can say the same about the a lot of brown bros n sisters stuck in pretty sing song land.
SFbatteriste 3 months ago
~})*({~
cLUVnME 3 months ago
Diz rola is firme
Crazydomo7 3 months ago
Dammmm...that fucking song remind me good times ...south side forever...13 ..
morelokote 3 months ago
My ALL time favorite Oldie!
5379919 3 months ago
this song reminds me of some very special to my heart in 1976 who graduated at copiah academy in 1976 was avery special lady we were very close. wow how the years go by . this is us our life then one of those hard to say things Tommyfaye i still have many good feelings for you, you are still beautiful asyou wewe at 16 yea never known whiche direction life send ya inhoping to hear from you
randycoward 5 months ago
Oldies Live Forever!
The74elephant 6 months ago
One of the best songs i've ever heard!..definitly a song u can truly tell how much feeling they put into it.. love it! <3
tinoNness 6 months ago
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anticliche321 7 months ago
TRAVIEZO&SQUEEZY!!!
ALWAYS & FOREVER!!!
051109 UNTIL ETERNITY
I LOVE YOU MI CHULO
CortezsLady051109 7 months ago
Baby for your love> Carlos O.>Coco Puffs>
MrTHREAT714 8 months ago
Yes i will do anything for your LOVE. Carlos Orduna,you know who this is.
MrTHREAT714 8 months ago
brings back so many good memories for my dad
mamid4k 10 months ago
brings back so many memories where did you go
calgal213 10 months ago
Brings back memories in East LA!
Javyswifey 10 months ago 2
@Javyswifey east los is where is at <3 homie
lilravingvilletho 9 months ago
@lilravingvilletho That's right!
Javyswifey 9 months ago
@Javyswifey woop woop haha
lilravingvilletho 9 months ago
So much talent and creativity back then. Today a lot of the music only talks about slappin, 'bitches' or, 'hoes' upside their head, chasing around in a shiny car weighed down by gold chains and spraying bullets out of the car from machine guns. It is these things now that enslave black people. What did Marting Luther King die for? Never mind as long as people think they look cool. Get on with it if that's what makes you happy.
SteveArpo 10 months ago 2
this is such good soul oh i would do anything for this so called music today even come close to this, this is the real stuff
maggiemay8112 1 year ago
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THIS IS WHAT YOU CALL MUSIC
alfredjuniorrowe 1 year ago
SLAMZ A BEER
XXXXLOWRIDERXXXX 1 year ago
Total horseshit. ALL American music came straight out of the Protestant churches. Gospel is the root of it all. Blacks from Africa were exposed to gospel. All Africans ever did was chant and hop up and down. Much like hip hop "artists" of today.
bender138 1 year ago
@bender138 You're spewing even more horse shit. There were hymns and spirituals. No genre known as gospel until Professor Thomas A. Dorsey combined spirituals with blues and jazz. He called that new sound gospel.
KhemuLuxons 1 year ago 6
@bender138 Nice revisionist take on music history there,white boy
truth is, whites had little part in most of american music
BlacknesUnforgivable 11 months ago
@BlacknesUnforgivable
It's called reality,as opposed to Black History,black boy.Deal with it.
bender138 11 months ago
@bender138 Its called european revisionist white-washed bullshit , white boy.
BlacknesUnforgivable 10 months ago
@BlacknesUnforgivable
LOL! You have a degree in Black History,don't you?
bender138 10 months ago
@bender138 black history's the biggest joke i've heard of.At school, why do we only learn about black history in febuary, when we learn white history all year round. I'm not bitter to white men only white man.
TheYungGraff 10 months ago
@TheYungGraff
Black History is not only a joke,it is a joke being played on the people who believe in it by their alleged leaders. It is hypocrisy in it's highest form. Blacks scream about "Equality",and then they turn around and create special categories for themselves that exclude everyone else in order to make themselves seem "special".
Secondly,there is no such thing as "Black History" other than in pre-historic Africa. History doesn't play favorites. There is only "history",period.
bender138 10 months ago
@bender138 LOL! You have a degree in White history , dont you?
"Blacks scream about "Equality",and then they turn around and create special categories for themselves"
Everybody does that. Asians,Latinos,Arabs , they all have their ethnic enclaves, their own media,entertainment, etc etc everybody wants to separate from you culture-less white americans ,cant blame em
BlacknesUnforgivable 8 months ago
this music soothes the savage beast, so everybody just chill and listen, and expand your horizons.
MegaModeltrains 1 year ago
good looking out girl...However this kind of Old School is SIMPLE....True!
LUSHUSLUV 1 year ago
fuk the hatesrs fuk all those who jugde u do u and i do me its the way life is bitch catch up
23mzsonriza23 1 year ago
yea is a good song but i sing better lol
dreaming575 1 year ago
CRUIZIN ..LOW AND SLOW..IN MY 68 IMPALA...MODESTO CALIFAZ 209
XXXXLOWRIDERXXXX 1 year ago
superior don't matter black or white thie is fantasic
maggiemay8112 1 year ago
I CALL IT LOWRIDER OLDIES OK....CAUSE IT SOUNDS FIRME IN MY LOWRIDER....SOUL TYPE LOWRIDER OLDIES...AND I HOPE U DONT LIKE IT......CON SAFOS..
XXXXLOWRIDERXXXX 1 year ago
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estebanricardohotte 1 year ago
what a song! i love it.....lidija my baby, i would do anything for you....
estebanricardohotte 1 year ago
I LOVE THIS! IT REMINDS ME OF THE NEW R KELLY JAM, "WHEN A WOMAN LOVES". IT SOUNDS THE SAME. LOVE IT, LOVE IT!!!
sistaoldschool50 1 year ago
oldies rule 4 ever
9876ythi 1 year ago
U just can't fuck with the classics period!!!!
SIX6TYSEV7EN 1 year ago 2
you got that right it is true. what u say
lowslow59 1 year ago
dam thats was sup .. id do anything for my love that i saecrh but for now its all about school . an live my life stright shit.. fuk them dam foos who be messing with hynas minds, shit i got a good head on my shoulders and still doing good goin to college and all that bulsshit .. shit best believe i aint no stupid ass hyna.. but much love for the music
23mzsonriza23 1 year ago
@23mzsonriza23 Take a course on proper language while in you say, college? Be a lady. What is it Cholo college?
narcie48 1 year ago
@narcie48
let me tell u something u have no fukin right to fuckin tell me en que hacer alright so fuckin mindyour own buisnnes and go fukkin judge someone else and one more thing u don't know me or know how i was raised so for u to say be alady and all that shit is worthless i am who i am and if u dont fuckin like it keep your mouth closed.. and as for the cholo college u dont know shit go to my fukin school and u see the majority are doing good so go ahaed fukin stereo t
23mzsonriza23 1 year ago
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putmyname 1 year ago
Ppl shut the fuck up I don't care if ur white mex or black just listen to the god damm song
twistedclown5150 1 year ago
this is shit
jessicaperez66 1 year ago
dedicated for my negrito with all my heart on our 5th anniversary. I lov u baby
The06112004 1 year ago
i read you loud and clear, thanks.
REDSUNSHINE1951 1 year ago
bad ass song! ♥
sdangela 1 year ago
Music is the end of it all.
We are all fully the music the joins us.
No division is left to separate us.
You can talk, write and holler until the music begins.
When the song comes on, we are together as sharing, loving people.
When the song ends arguing can begin again.
Don't let the music ever stop.
wavepainter 1 year ago
I DEDICATE THIS 2 MY BEAUTIFUL WIFE... INGE VALENZUELA (DUCHESS)
SirDukeSELA 1 year ago
orale para todos vatitos lokos de tijuas y califas
gorge961 1 year ago
brings back memories even as young as i am
ShAnNaLoVe1 1 year ago
I LOVE!! THIS SONG =0)
SEXYMIMI31 1 year ago
Because were not here to be your little entertainers bro, you know what chicanos do?? we beat the shit out of dudes like you on our way to a real fight... you probably grew up gettin whooped by mexicans n grew up 2 b a brown hater ass fag
MrThrax23 1 year ago
Firme Rola one of my favs
210Bonita 1 year ago
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mabm1974 1 year ago
Firme Rola!
colioheredia 1 year ago
lovin this rola dammmn :)
LALASCANdLOUS 1 year ago
woow i was searching for this song for so many time now, it reminds me of my dad playing it in his car, beautiful song i love it, thanks for uploaded
SirenaDiosa 1 year ago
heart felt choice of song!
azzusual 2 years ago
Today's music comes right off the 'assembly line' without the passion and romance of artists of yesteryear. What you heard back then was the real deal. What is heard today is manufactured by studio technology. In my opinion, today's music sucks big, big time.
Panbaccha 2 years ago 2
Even though we makeup only 12% of the population-2 Black artists-the young lady Rihanna and the young man L'il Wayne have million upon millons of hits on the tube. I'm sure many, many of them come from our Black youth. This can be a good indication of which artists our youth embrace.There is a concern about the preservation of "old Black" music.The way to preserve it is too keep our young Blacks in tune to it.We also don't want to vilify or belittle those who help us to keep the old music alive.
nightshade261 2 years ago
I agree, but you have to realize Li'l Wayne and Rhianna are of their generation and they are major stars of that generation. Also, many of those hits are from white, hispanic and other kids that are into hip hop.
There are wonderful young artists out there today that black youngsters are digging on, too.
For example, Chrisette Michelle, Ledisi, Alicia Keys, Anthony Hamilton, John Legend etc.
Janis became a legend at Woodstock with Jimi Hendrix. Garnett never had that kind of a stage.
smoothiota4 1 year ago
Martina i kill for your love ...
jiveAt5 2 years ago
@jiveAt5 loving someone is worth dying for, but not killing. Learn that.
supadan915 1 year ago
i'll hold on 2 the memoriezz 4ever!!
heaven0091 2 years ago
sighhhh... memories! good times bad times but always oldies!!
LaFlacs 2 years ago
hell yeah this rola brings me back to those days firme song keep them coming G!
SmokingPrimos909 2 years ago
"Fever" was co-written by Otis Blackwell (aka, John Davenport). He wrote Elvis Presley's early songs. I've had my say, so I'm moving on. "Got to get back to the party". I'll keep exposing and educating our Black Youth. Once again to the Chicano community, thanks for up/down loading the oldies. To "Outrun..." If we want to keep the identity and the reverence of/for Black Music-encourage Black Youth to listen so they can keep the passion going. Everybody keep the songs(rolas) coming.Peace to all.
motownmaxine57 2 years ago
Thanks for their help. In 1963 Garnett Mimms(Black) sung "Cry Baby". Radio couldn't contain it. Every Black household had it. Janis Joplin (white) remade it. You Tube hits Garnett 60,488, Joplin 5,797,724. Our Black kids don't know him.Our children have not been exposed to so many great old Black singers. I have neices and nehews-on Friday nights, we listen to all the old artist. I want them to know what we have contributed to the music world.I appreciate the Chicanos and others-they listen.
motownmaxine57 2 years ago
Another good example. Little Willie John, singing "Fever" and then the remake by Peggy Lee, gets much more hits. Teach your young about who really sang the original songs.
ZapNation21 2 years ago
That's a powerful statement and I agree to an extent. We need to continue to educate our youth to this music. We can't get caught up on hits to particular songs. Janis is the Queen of Rock. Garnett is not going to come close to her.You'd have to compare her to someone like Marvin Gaye
Too, blacks only make up about 12% of the population, so all things being equal a higher number of hits would go to a white artist. There is also, a difference in internet access but I get your point.
smoothiota4 2 years ago
I live in a major metropolitan area that use to have 2 Black Soul stations, one white station that played main-stream Black hits and one "Oldies" station that played a bit of everything-all of them gone. Radio reached everyone(in the home, work and cars). Everyone had one. Radio exposed us to a variety of music(blues,soul, oldies etc.) DJ's gave the audience tidbitsof info about the artist song, or rec.company. We don't have that today. Now, the Internet and You-tube
motownmaxine57 2 years ago
contain a wealth of information about Black artist. Videos have put faces to Black artist's music and unknown facts have been have been supplied. The older Blacks knew Elvis Presley's older music was written by a Black person-they didn't know who. Stevie Wonder told us-Otis Blackwell. We know our soulful music. Its identity won't be lost especially if we teach our younger Blacks to explore it. I still appreciate the Chicano community for embracing and loving it.
motownmaxine57 2 years ago
And embrace it we do. We realize that these Black artists made a great contribution in way of these oldies, which I like to call Lowrider Oldies, respectfully.
ZapNation21 2 years ago
chicanos can embrace the music. chicanos can love and celebrate the music. "Each one teach one". The heritage of Black Music needs to be passed to the youth. Wynton Marsalis has been criticized by some white Jazz fans for standing firm in his ideals with respect to Jazz music and for encouraging Black youth to participate in Jazz and preserve the genre as Black American Culture's creation and gift to the world.
outrundaylite 2 years ago 11
A positive in bridging the generation gap, teaching young Blacks about Black American Music Culture and Heritage is the collaborations which have taken place between Jazz musicians and young Rappers. Miles Davis collaborated with the Rapper Easy Moe Dee and produced the song "Fantasy" which won a Grammy. When Rappers sample vintage Soul Music, younger listeners are often interested in hearing the original version of that sampled song, so learning can occur in that way as well.
outrundaylite 2 years ago 15
@outrundaylite agreed
DonRafa1990 1 year ago
@outrundaylite Thank you, hope you moved on to an appropriate place to vent. Just enjoy the music and be thankful you found it.
narcie48 1 year ago
@outrundaylite you make great points but just a couple corrections....its Easy Moe Bee..and hes a producer not a rapper...and the album won a Grammy..not the song...and besides the instrumentals which were produced by Moe Bee, the album is actually pretty terrible...take off the corny rappers they had, which no one ever heard of and are no longer in the game, and the album would be a thousand times better..just with Moe Bees production and Miles' horn
drtyanimal 1 year ago
I'm sorry i mis-typed the word tremendously
motownmaxine57 2 years ago
The way to obtain music has changed tremendoulsy. We've gone from records,eight-track/cassette tapes,cd's,mp3's,ipods etc. We no longer have Black radio stations which fueled Black music, including the "Oldies". Radio use to keep us in touch with old and new music. Now we have You Tube. Many people, Black, Chicano and others have up/loaded a lot of good old Black music. I just don't believe there's a need to "FEAR" a Chicano takeover of Black music. Let's all keep the music alive and enjoy it.
motownmaxine57 2 years ago
I believe there are still quite a few radio stations which feature Black/urban formats - and then, there's BET (for what it's worth). It is useless to fear, especially when the outcome is inevitable. RocknRoll began as a Black music genre. Today, RnR is regarded as white music. I've read that Black performers aspiring to play RnR encounter strong resistance from the white "powers that be". The music should be kept alive, but the music's origin and identity should remain intact and revered.
outrundaylite 2 years ago 5
Well, we older Blacks refer to them as "Oldies but Goodies" or simply as "Oldies" (short-cut) because of a song sung by Little Caesar and the Romans(a Black Group) titled "Those Oldies but Goodies Remind me of You"(c.1961). Back in the day, Black radio stations also had "Oldies Hour", "Oldies Night" etc. We had a good time listening to all the good old music. Some Black DJ's also referred to songs played during the "Oldies Hour " as "Blast from the Past". The term Old School came much later.
nightshade261 2 years ago 2
You're right, nightshade. Thanks for the knowledge. And of course, I do remember all of the titles you've mentioned. Oldies IS the original term for the music. Unfortunately, some - not all - chicanos seem to have co-opted the word oldies, attached the word "chicano" or "Lowrider" to it, and under that identity have claimed ALL music falling under that designation as being chicano culture. Many - not all- of the chicanos doing so are as racist as any member of the aryan brotherhood or the kkk.
outrundaylite 2 years ago 3
it all about oldies. and who cares if a black person or mexican person sing.we still love it
Eboy420 2 years ago 2
It's not "all about oldies". Oldies is NOT a genre of music. Oldies is a format of music which compiles music created in a certain era. The intent of every brown pride/la raza comment posted by a mexican and calling the music "oldies" instead of what it is - Old School Soul/R&B - is to ignore and deny the Black American cultural origin of the music. No mexican sang this music. Black people sang this music. That doesn't mean you can't love the music all the same. Just give credit where it is due.
outrundaylite 2 years ago 3
@outrundaylite lmfaoooo xD......STOP FUCKING ARGUING MAN. you can talk and talk and talk but CHICANOS WILL NEVER STOP LOVING THOSE OLDIES BUT GOODIES<333
elizabeth92503 2 years ago
Nothing wrong with chicanos loving the Oldies But Goodies...nothing wrong with that at all. That's why the music is here, to be enjoyed. chicanos need to realize however, that many people of all races, nationalities, ethnicities and cultures have the right to enjoy this music as well. Oldies music is not exclusive to chicano culture. That brown pride/la raza noise cannot be allowed to drown out the beautiful chords of a truly UNIVERSAL music.
outrundaylite 2 years ago 3
you, the afrcian americman our our insperiace. We love you. No nmatter what,. we love you.
lisa2693 2 years ago 3
To all the Chicanos, this is one soul-sister (African- American) who doesn't have a problem with you calling it "Brown-Eyed Soul", "Oldies", whatever....Thanks for up/down loading Black music. Just keep listening ,so "We" can keep the party going. Peace and keep the rolas coming.
motownmaxine57 2 years ago
Im with you, super soul sister. We are all kinda in the same boat here, being minorities and all. All I ever wanted to do was enjoy this fine music without persecution. Right On!
ZapNation21 2 years ago
"outrundaylite" i didnt even bother reading your last like what 5 paragraphs?...lmaooo...i said my point of view, u said urs..which i dnt agree with. thats it. not gonna waste my time anymore. I DONT EVEN CARE. i FUCKING LOVE MY OLDIES, I DNT GIVE A FUCK IF A BLACK PERSON SINGS THEM. I JUST APPRECIATE THE MUSIC. THATS IT.!
elizabeth92503 2 years ago
You didn't bother reading my comment but still you commented on my comment. Reading my comment wasn't a waste of your time. Reading my comment EDUCATED YOU and regardless of your stupid reply, dispelled much of your IGNORANCE WITH REGARD TO THE TRUE ORIGIN OF THIS MUSIC...WHICH IS A BLACK AMERICAN ORIGIN. Appreciate Black Music all you want. Just you remember it is BLACK MUSIC, not mexican music. "That's It!"
outrundaylite 2 years ago
Ok can we move on now
eltoro915 2 years ago
Chicanos buy the majority of these oldies via C/D or musical downloading. So that means the Black Artist, or their family collects the royalties from these. So I beg to differ, Black Artists are kool with us calling these Latin Oldies. Its putting money in their pockets, and keeping their music alive.
ZapNation21 2 years ago
No one is begrudging the right of an Artist to be paid for their music, nor is anyone saying music is to be appreciated and enjoyed by some and not by others. That said, just because chicanos are enthusiastic paying patrons of this vintage Black American music, does not make this music Latin Oldies. You can't "buy" the culture of another people. For years, white suburban youth purchased the majority of Rap CDs. Those purchases did not make Rap Music any less a genre of Black American music.
outrundaylite 2 years ago 4
Well here on the West Coast no one has a problem with us calling them Latin Oldies, not even the Blacks here. So I will continue to do so as Ive known them to be for 40 years. And I acknowledge, the artists are Black, the Music is Black, but when we play them at our parties and our BBQ's, they are our Firme Rolas....
ZapNation21 2 years ago
There are many Blacks who enjoy eating Asian and Latin cuisine knowing of course, that the food is not of Black American origin. If like you, chicanos acknowledge vintage Soul Music as being Black American and not chicano in origin, being Black American culture and not chicano culture then no problem exists. chicanos are free to enjoy the music just as anyone else would be. However, if chicanos see brown pride in Black music and consider Black music to be chicano culture that presents a problem.
outrundaylite 2 years ago 4
Ok, here is my take on all this. We dig the Lowrider Oldies, as us Chicanos call it, but its just a moniker we put on this Lowrider Music. Black people dont have to take it as Gospel that we are trying to steal your music. We are just embracing it, identifying it as we know it. Blacks renamed Detroit as Motown, and did the city's forefathers have a fit? This is too much ado about nothing.
ZapNation21 2 years ago
kick ass......oldie!!!!!!!
voltron169 2 years ago
Chicanos especially the Lowrider Culture is what keeps this music alive. We appreciate this music so so much.
ZapNation21 2 years ago
The reason chicanos dont remake this kind of music is because even though there r a lot of people who like oldies theres more who dont and people wont buy it as much as they did way back when it was made. they call it brown pride because its f%&# nice music and if the blacks arent going to appreciate what there grandfathers made then why not make it ours
miml97 2 years ago
Yes, this is how it seems to be. Young Blacks dont appreciate the music their forefathers handed down to them, they rather listen to hip hop and rap. But any generation Chicano loves this music and this is why we covet it.
ZapNation21 2 years ago
"Thou Shalt Not Covet..."
outrundaylite 2 years ago
Simply because chicanos enjoy the music doesn't make the music brown pride. Black American music is as foreign to chicano culture as the Spanish language is to the Black American culture. chicanos should not try to make Black music chicano culture because Black music is not chicano culture. Black Americans have created a vibrant, powerful, living music culture. What exists now is the offspring of that which existed. This music is the offspring of Blues, Jazz, Gospel, Rock&Roll, R&B. Black Music.
outrundaylite 2 years ago 4
So you mean to say that Rap Music evolved from your earlier music? I dont see the connection.
ZapNation21 2 years ago
Funk music is just one genre of Soul Music from which Rap Music has drawn much inspiration. Does that make the connection any clearer for you?
outrundaylite 2 years ago 3
Crystal.
ZapNation21 2 years ago
its little too late...oldies ARE apart of chicano culture. chicanos are part mexican AND part american. spanish music is mostly apart of the mexican culture. its not like i expect u to listen to african tribal songs..just because blacks are from that descent. chicanos have made up our own culture and it involves a little bit of everything...
elizabeth92503 2 years ago
There is no such music genre as "oldies". Black Americans don't have a "made up culture". Black Americans have a unique, rich and powerful culture. Black American music culture is the envy of the entire world. mexican, mexican-American, chicano, I don't care which. Many mexican-Americans have tried to deride Black Americans for having no culture while at the same time, attempting to create a "made up" culture using music created by Black Americans. How does that add up to so-called brown pride?
outrundaylite 2 years ago 4
I beg to differ. There is a music genre called Oldies, or Oldies but Goodies. This argument about the original artists being Black and Chicanos embracing that music can go on forever. Recognition, you got it. Appreciation of the music, thats our thing.
ZapNation21 2 years ago
You're confusing music GENRE with music FORMAT. It's easy to do. Let me give you this example. A person goes to school to become a Doctor, but not a Lawyer. If it were music, the person's GENRE would be Doctor, not Lawyer - two DIFFERENT professions. Eventually, the person will become a RETIRED Doctor, but that is ONLY BECAUSE the DOCTOR has BECOME OLD. So the Doctor has become an OLDIE, but was first and always a Doctor. The Doctor did not begin his/her career as an OLDIE. Get it now?
outrundaylite 2 years ago 5
The Doctor is the GENRE. The old and retired Doctor is the FORMAT. You'd want a young surgeon doing heart surgery, probably not an older surgeon whose eyes are not as sharp or hand not as steady. You're then choosing a FORMAT, not a GENRE. Both are the same GENRE. They're both Doctors, but their FORMATS are different. One Doctor is younger = younger FORMAT. One Doctor is old and retired = OLDIES FORMAT. Soul Music is NOT Mariachi. 2 DIFFERENT GENRES. However, both can become OLDIES, same FORMAT.
outrundaylite 2 years ago
There's a difference between music appreciation and music appropriation.The word Vintage means Old. A vintage Soul Music song is a song created by Black American culture, not chicano culture. A vintage Mariachi song is a song created by Mexican/chicano culture, not Black American culture. Many chicanos appreciate old Soul Music. However, too many chicanos try to claim old Soul Music (Black Music), as chicano culture because that Soul Music has become old. Old Soul Music is NOT chicano culture.
outrundaylite 2 years ago
Here's another example of Genre vs Format, or Genre vs Oldies. I mean no offense to old people. Genre A = Female. Genre B = Male. 2 different genders/genres. Format A = Young. Format B = Elderly (Old). Genre A is female and will ALWAYS be a female but her FORMAT will change from young to old. Same applies to Genre B. Unless B has a sex change operation, it will ALWAYS be male. When Genre B ages, the FORMAT will change and Genre B becomes an OLD male. Neither is BORN old. Both BECOME old.
outrundaylite 2 years ago
Ive NEVER once in my life heard anyone say that black Americans dont have culture!...and your RIGHT us Chicanos ARE trying to "make up" our own culture...because theres no place for us...where to American for the Mexicans, and too Mexican to Americans..i dont even know if that makes sense too you..its complicated being a chicano ...
elizabeth92503 2 years ago
You're very young. People have been saying Black Americans have no culture since before you were born, since you've been born; they're trying to say Black Americans have no culture still today and those racist-minded fools will still be trying to push that bull when you're old and gray. You might not have heard anyone say Black Americans lack culture, but I'm positive that you have heard many racists, many of those racists, chicano racists say even worse things about Black Americans.
outrundaylite 2 years ago 3
well i dont know what part of the country your living in, but where im from nobody says that about black people..."we dont have it anyworse"..haaaa dont make me laugh...wen the africans came here, YOU werent here to witness everything they had to endure!...most of us chicanos have parents who are not here legally, and have are parents ripped away from of us. we have to witness that.
elizabeth92503 2 years ago
You have NO idea of what you're talking about. Millions of Africans dying in the Middle Passage. Raped bodily and culturally and enslaved when they arrived. Parents killed before their children's eyes. Fighting bravely in this nation's Revolutionary and Civil Wars and still not accorded citizenship until centuries later. The kkk killing and STILL killing Black people. Black people are STILL witnessing white AND chicano racism and Black people are STILL overcoming white and chicano racism.
outrundaylite 2 years ago 3
boo hoo. ur ancestors got forced here. well my ancestors got there land taken as well in tenochtitlan, now known as mexico. my people got killed and raped. so dont come saying all this stuff with ur ancestors cause i KNOW where i came from. this has nothing to do with music.
elizabeth92503 2 years ago
"boo hoo"? You say "it's complicated being chicano". I'm saying Black Americans have overcome and are STILL overcoming tremendous odds. That's not "boo hoo". That's BOOYA! chicanos ARE mexican. It has to do with music and culture. chicanos are trying to run away from their mexican culture and trying to create a "let's pretend" culture by imitating and claiming the music and cultural customs already established by Black and white Americans. You're copycats. That is nothing to be proud of.
outrundaylite 2 years ago 3
It has everything to do with music. Music is a mainstay of a people's culture. When the first Blacks were brought to North America they were stripped of their language and weren't even allowed to have drums! So a new culture created out of remnants of Africa they remembered and influences from new land. Spirituals, gospel, blues, jazz, ragtime, R&R, soul/r&b, hip hop all came out of the Black American experience here. Where you come from has nothing to do with our history and music.
luvureally 2 years ago 14
@luvureally to the person who said that they didn't hear black people playing oldies must not live in new york city, just turn your radio on to kiss fm,wbls at any given time ,or hang out in the parks and you would hear and seea black person playing the old jams, and no offence to my brown sisters and brothers,but just be cause they listen to the music doesn't make it theirs. when are black people going to get credit for things that they do???????????
REDSUNSHINE1951 1 year ago 2
@REDSUNSHINE1951 It seems that most of the people making those comments are from Cali and southwest. Very small percentage of Blacks live out there. Majority of Blacks live in the east and most in the southeast, so there views are shaped by less than 3% of Black population.
luvureally 1 year ago 2
@REDSUNSHINE1951 that could be in new york, but here in the west coast chicano people is the one that are keeping these jewells alive. with all due respect my new york friend.
hec1086 3 months ago
@luvureally I am Mexican by birth, but an American Solider by choice. I totally agree with you. This great classic song by Sam & Bill is a true SOUL classic. This is a beautiful & very soulful song that if it touches your soul, you can feel the emotions deep in your heart. I have loved this song very since I was just a little boy growing up in Compton, CA back in the 60's. I have been looking 4 this for over 30 yrs, I found it and my heart jumped 10 ft. A TRUE CLASSIC - Be Blessed!
RichadTheLionHeat 1 year ago 2
true.we have taken oldies as our own. i dont care. i have. i see it as a chicano thing. so what.?.whats the big problem?...its not like us chicanos say " oldies our OURS NOW, and not the blacks anymore." NOBODY says that.
elizabeth92503 2 years ago
You see vintage music as a chicano thing? You need to see an eye doctor then. chicanos have long imitated many aspects of Black American popular culture all the while hating Black Americans. Nothing new to Black Americans. The entire world imitates and emulates Black American Music Culture (see Average White Band). chicanos want to live in Black America's PAST and then yell "la raza" and "brown pride" like it's cool. Create your OWN culture from your own experiences. THEN chicanos can be proud.
outrundaylite 2 years ago 4
so just chill. you should be glad. chicanos are a big part why oldies are still as popular now. you think you would be listening to this oldie above if it wasnt for "reyesm13"..which by the last name sounds like hes chicano. hes keeping the oldies music alive by way of youtube, uploading all these oldies but goodies, and hes a chicano.
elizabeth92503 2 years ago
Black artists want to get paid like anybody else. Black artists and Black people aren't too cool with people outside Black Culture trying to claim Black Culture as their own. The music of Black Culture has long been expropriated by white U.S. culture. Rock&Roll began with Black Americans and is now considered white music. Many white American Jazz fans are working overtime to make Jazz "less Black" in origin. Now some chicanos want to brag about keeping Black music alive while killing Blacks.
outrundaylite 2 years ago 4
chicanos don't have it any worse than most immigrants and had a better start of it than did Black Americans whose ancestors did not immigrate to the US by choice, but were forced to this nation in chains and dehumanized. Because of the indomitable spirit of Black Americans, they survived and in surviving, grew naturally into the great culture of their great people. Now chicanos want to create a "let's pretend culture" using the music culture of Black Americans? That's not brown pride, is it?
outrundaylite 2 years ago
chicanos don't have to make up a culture of their own. chicanos have a culture already. chicanos are US citizens of Mexican descent. Mexican culture IS chicano culture. In fact, a pregnant Mexican woman can cross from Mexico into the US and give birth. She is still Mexican but because her baby was born in the US, he/she is technically chicano. chicanos seem to want to run away from their Mexican heritage and create a made up culture from imitating others: a monkey-see, monkey-do culture.
outrundaylite 2 years ago
I've nothing against you or chicano people, but again I have to take issue with your saying that chicanos are a people "out of place". chicanos are Mexican. chicanos involved in the Aztlan movement are trying to stake a claim to U.S. territories annexed by this country after its victory over Mexico in the Mexican-American War. These chicano militants often refer to themselves as Aztecs. I don't have to tell you that the Aztec Empire was in the HEART of Mexico. chicanos are Mexican culturally.
outrundaylite 2 years ago 3
Blacks brought their African rhythms here and combined it with harmonies and sounds they found in the new land and created entirely new genres of music -ragtime, blues, spirituals, gospel, soul/r&b, R&R, jazz, hip hop. etc., Why have Chicanos not used their Mexican musical heritage to create new music instead of piggybacking on the music heritage of others - Chicano soul, Chicano rap, Chicano rock, Chicano funk, etc.,? You have been part of USA for centuries.
KhemuLuxons 2 years ago 5
@KhemuLuxons we have actually its called mariachi, and corridos
123brownp123 1 year ago
@123brownp123 Weren't they created in Mexico? I mean the music created by Mexican Americans, people who have been in USA for several generations.
KhemuLuxons 1 year ago
@KhemuLuxons Shut up fool.
surewhynot2010 1 year ago
@surewhynot2010 Come up with a legit answer fool!
KhemuLuxons 1 year ago
@KhemuLuxons .....that's funny you say that because if it was not for Chicanos these songs (oldies) would have died a long time ago. I don't even understand your point. Understand this youngster the memories of a time, generation, and of era lives on because of the appreciation of this music. I don't hear blacks playing oldies. If it wasn't for Chicanos oldies would of died a long time ago. So you should appreciate that some else appreciates what you don't.
rico1mac 1 year ago
@rico1mac I have no argument with Chicanos "preserving" or "reviving" the music of Black America. I take issue with it being referred to as "Chicano" music. That title implies that this music was created by Chicanos. That is a false, Chicanos played no part in the creation of this music.
KhemuLuxons 1 year ago
@KhemuLuxons It is not Chicanos that call it Chicano music it is the record companys and why ? Because they cater to the buying public=Chicanos. Blame the record companys and the artist that still remain. The era in Black American history is an art left by geniuses of their trade. But the major buyers are Chicanos and they call the music "oldies" not Chicano music. I give credit to the Black Americans for the music. I give Chicanos credit for keeping it alive. Black + Brown Pride = Oldies
rico1mac 1 year ago
@rico1mac Even if it is a marketing ploy by the record companies, there are many comments posted by Chicanos referring to it as Chicano music and at the same time making disparaging remarks about Blacks. No doubt there are living musicians who are very grateful for the support of this community. It is wrong, whether it be record labels or the fans, to call this music anything other than soul/r&b. A serious question, how is Brown pride derived from a Black art form?
KhemuLuxons 1 year ago 2
@rico1mac .....YOU TELL EM
narcie48 1 year ago
Because you cannot claim the creative legacy of another people. Chicanos played no part in the creation and development of this music. Buying and listening to this music does not make it yours. By attempting to make it yours you are no more than a culture vulture.
luvureally 2 years ago 5
"then why not make it ours"
Is the creativity in the Chicano community so lacking that you are reduced to appropriating the past musical achievements of another group instead of creating your own sound? Nobody will ever mistake the soulful, gospel drenched music of Sam & Bill and other soul/r&b acts as Chicano or Mexican.
luvureally 2 years ago 4
I have noticed that most young Blacks prefer to listen to Rap Music over oldies, so eventually these oldies will soon be lost forver, whereas, Chicanos pass these songs down from generation to generation, which mean that these Lowrider Oldies will never be lost to us.
ZapNation21 2 years ago
I've read comments saying "THEY don't make music like this anymore." The "THEY" these posters must be referring to are the original creators of this music, most of whom appear to be Black Americans. You say that Black Americans have abandoned their vintage Soul Music while chicanos hold it up. Why don't chicano bands form and imitate this music they love so much? Rather than pass along this great music created by Black culture, why don't chicano bands create something imitation, but homegrown?
outrundaylite 2 years ago 2
Oh come on now, get real. Thats like saying, why doesnt somebody imitate swing music? These song are priceless treasures and cannot be imitated. Why do you have such a problem with Chicanos digging this music so much?
ZapNation21 2 years ago
I'm as real as a $100 bill and as serious as a major heart attack. Agreed. These songs are priceless treasures which belong to Black American Culture. chicanos can dig this music to their heart's content (even the racist chicanos), but they shouldn't claim "brown pride" for the music of Black American culture. It appears you are hoping Blacks forget this music exists so that chicanos can claim the music as their own. I'm saying why take something secondhand? Chicanos should simply imitate it.
outrundaylite 2 years ago 2
I don't have a problem with chicanos digging this music. Black American music is universially appreciated, emulated, imitated and sometimes, appropriated. Appropriation is what whites have done and what so-called "chicano oldies" is attempting to do. Applying "brown eyed soul" and "Lowrider Oldies" to vintage Black American Soul Music is the same thing as identity theft. "Lowrider Oldies" is a means by which a people can claim ownership of a cultural achievement that is not their own.
outrundaylite 2 years ago
I feel that you have a problem with racist views, and I do too. I have many black friends, since many are into the lowrider movement also. Is this to say that Black artists only made the music for blacks to enjoy? I once meet Brenton Wood, and he was thrilled that Chicanos enjoy his music. It seems that there is only a handful of people that take offense to it. Hey, Don Julian and the Meadowlarks even came out with a song called " Lowrider Girl". Like it or not, there is a connection here.
ZapNation21 2 years ago
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outrundaylite 2 years ago
The artists responsible for this music intended everyone hearing it to enjoy it irrespective of race, ethnicity, etc. Should chicanos stamp "brown pride" and claim for chicano culture the music produced by Black American Culture? If I like your home, you would appreciate the compliment. However, if I began moving furniture into your home and made your home my new mailing address, you'd have a serious problem with that. You'd probably call the police. There is no real connection that matters.
outrundaylite 2 years ago 3