Obama and the Reverend Wright Fallout - Michael Eric Dyson

[bradchesney11]

Is Jesus an Imperialist?

[The442nd]

How exactly does Michael Eric Dyson advance the black community?

[HorChild]

Reverend Wright is Right!! White Amerikkka is Babylon The Great and is the most wicked nation on the planet - homos, whores, and murderers of the planet!!

White War 3 coming soon - whites are going to kill billions more through their created diseases, created famines, and wars!!

[MikeTysonEatsKids]

@HorChild

70% illegitimate kids.

but hey, that shouldn't be a shock. look at your favorite rapper gods, 50 cent, jay z, snoop dogg, 2pac, biggie, T.I. etc. all grew up in fatherless homes and we all know those guys have "CLEAN" Rap sheets LMAO

[ThirdandPine]

In essence what he is saying is affirmative action is the watch word. White people are alway responsible for their statements and actions if they are odious. Black people on the other hand get a pass, or black folk can't be expected to take responsibility for anything they say or do that is hurtful to others.

[smilnrt]

@ThirdandPine maybe you should watch and listen again, he was saying why he felt it was unfair for (then) senator obama to speak against his own pastor...much like it would be unfair for him to speak against his white grand-mother..i.e., both have said things he found disturbing, lacking evidence, or peculiar however he still holds respect for them and what they have done for his life.

No where in there does that contain a word, phrase, sentence, or even allude to affirmative-action.

[MongoloidBabyUSA]

Last laugh, you phony hot air bag, Obama kicked your precious Wright to the curb. Then Wright, like the true paranoid bigot he is, blamed the Jews for that.

[underyourskindvd]

well put.

[083770]

*claps* @ 3:10 yesss they got us twisted

[brightonmusic]

Dyson once again proves that the term "black intellectual" is an oxymoron.

[bobbyjones3421]

Dr. Michael eric dyson Ph.D is all that. He is one of the smartest and intelligent speakers (of mind and mouth) that has ever lived. There's none better!! Rev. Bobby Jones (Pastor of: "The Evangelistic Ministries of JESUS CHRIST") Fresno, Calif. (559) 978-4884

[djam91]

"prophets have certain roles, and politicians have others" we'll mr. dyson rev. wright is not a prophet he is a liar..... and so are you

[WorldWideTVShow]

@djam91: What did either of them say that was a lie?

[djam91]

I wrote a responce and it didn't post so I will try again and keep it short. dyson talks so much it would be impossible for all his bs to be the complete truth. at the very least alot of what he says is pure speculation -example"white men hate black men because of jealousy" it's to broad a statement to be complete truth. that is just one example but the dude is a biased nut. -on to wright- i'm of italian decent-"italians killed jesus" ?very offensive lie. romans were multirace anyways.

[djam91]

and to further explain that...Pontius Pilate was the Prefect (governor) of the Roman province of Judaea from AD 2636.Typically referenced as the fifth Procurator of Judea, he is best known as the judge at Jesus' trial and the man who authorized his crucifixion.

Pilate appears in all four canonical Christian Gospels. Mark, depicting Jesus as innocent of plotting against Rome, portrays Pilate as extremely reluctant to execute Jesus, blaming the Jewish hierarchy for his death.

[djam91]

so basicly depending on which gospel you look at some blame the roman(governor)who was of greek decent not from rome. or the jewish hierarchy themselves who according to rev. wright is origianally black. which is open for debate I think they prob. looked like the people of the area today of palestine. brown with more caucasion features. but how would you know unless you had a time machine.

[Caeolian87]

@djam91 I'm just curious... could you clarify somethings for me? I just want to get your perspective and your outlook on these figures. What did Rev. Wright lie about? And what is Dr. Dyson lying about?

[djam91]

@Caeolian87 well when you rally around black americans rather then all americans like you are rallying around your favorite sports team aka the new york yankees your opinions about all white people become very biased and untrue. if we are really supposed to be the melting pot and no white can rally around thier own people then black people need to take color out of it. in a nut shell.

[Caeolian87]

@djam91 Well you have to understand the history of black americans. we still have a lot we need to overcome as a people. Malcolm X once said we can't go out and help others when we have our own issues (paraphrase). He was right. Black Americans have their own problems they need to deal with. We can't take color out of anything. We are still disenfranchised, we are still being viewed negatively cause of our skin color. White people do rally around their own people. You didn't see the Tea Party?

[djam91]

@Caeolian87 right humans are humans and we all have emotions and our good and bad and misimformed people. but lets face it there is alot of things that black people can do rallying around race that we cant get away with. the way I look at it some of the outspoken black leaders have blood on thier hands promoting hatred for all european people. no matter what class of whites. most of the white people who suffer from black crime are poor whites.

[Caeolian87]

@djam91 I don't know what leaders you're talking about that have "blood" on their hands. The only one that came to mind was Farakhan. I haven't heard one case of a white person being harmed by a member of NOI. And another thing I'm not one to believe in Black or white crime. Crime is crime. All people suffer from crime. I find the "color coding crime" thing outdated & corny. And you're right there is a lot we can get away with when it comes to race. White people can do more & get away with more

[Caeolian87]

@djam91 Also I'd like to add that black people never put color into anything. White people did that first. We were introduced to the idea of race by white people. Thats not the conception of poor slaves. That's always been an issue to caucasion people. But thats another conversation for another time. We should be able to get away with a lot as far as race goes. White people did. For centuries in fact. We still have a hard time finding justice within this justice system.

[djam91]

@Caeolian87 which "white people" are you talking about the ones from the history books or the ones you see everyday. and its only "corny" when it doesn't happen to you black people are killing whites on a level that is almost warfare. And these black leaders including Dyson wouldn't profit as much on his books if he was really truthful without all the bias. white people ended slavery. we didn't start it.

[Caeolian87]

@djam91 Both I don't see black people killing whites on a level of "warfare". That's a huge exaggeration. People in the middle east see casualties like that Whites don't. Like I said Color coding crime is pointless. If that's the case white crime has been on a rampant. With the theft at an all time high. White people did start slavery as "we" know it & White people did end slavery in America but that wasn't the 1st choice. Lincoln wanted to preserve the union with or w/o slaves. You know that.

[djam91]

@Caeolian87 i'm sorry but you are wrong. more whites have died at the hands of black offenders since the start of the war then white soldiers in the middle east. I'm just quoting statistics. and constantly bringing up the offenders of the past does fuel some of this. the way I look at it there is more likelyhood that the average black person has more of a chance to be related to a slave owner than any of my relatives who came through ellis island. even if I was its in the past.

[Caeolian87]

@djam91 I'd like to see the statistics that back up this claim of yours because that doesn't even sound believable. The way you describe "black offenders" you make them sound like all they do is kill and pillage and rob. Thats a small percentage of people in the black community and you want me to believe that small percentage puts up Iraq/Afganistan numbers? really?

[djam91]

@Caeolian87 bottom line. most average working class white people, which I represent don't and have not backed white supremacy. But I see alot of average black people supporting hateful black leaders who would love black supremacy. we need to heal the wounds on both sides and be honest about it on both sides. thats why I used the favorite sports team reference. If we are going to make it as a people it has to be together. lets heal the wounds not throw gas on them.

[Caeolian87]

@djam91 You're right we do need to heal these wounds. The people I represent don't support the notion of "Black Supremacy". ideas like that are ignorant and foolish. As far as I'm concerned... there's only one race... that's Human. But many others don't see it that way. too bad... thats why the world is the way it is today I guess.

[Caeolian87]

@djam91 You also didn't answer my question... What was Rev. Wright lying about and what is Dr. Dyson lying about in this video?

[jakefree25]

"Dem Joos be keeping me from Obama."

Real class act, this Wright. real scholar.

[ezekielthemack]

Yes, and the reality is you don't have half his intelligence.

[jakefree25]

Though I have enough to see what a pseudo intellectual fraud Dyson is and what a religious phony Wright is

[ezekielthemack]

What is intellectually fradulent about Dyson? From where I'm sitting he's sounds like a very intelligent and articulate man. There is nothing phony about Wright, who spoke truth to power, a truth that white America (*yawn* as usual) cannot handle. There was NOTHING in those soundbites that reverend Wright said that was untrue. If indeed there was, please elucidate on what it was that he said that was incorrect, in his summation of the deplorable actions of white America.

[spydawebbs]

Soo True!!

[614grind]

I agree. What did he say that wasnt accurate? I guess the easiest way to circumvent dealing with the actual issues is to call him a BS-er and a "pseudo intellectual". This man is about as fair as they come in his analysis. You have to remember, these people that shun black intellectuals that approach the issue of race have no ideas of their own. Dyson should be an ambassador for race relationsin America. White folks in particular should love Dyson.

[djam91]

the problem is when he generalizes about all white people when the vast majority of white americans come from poor immigrants who came with nothing and made thier bones in this country with hard work are offended with the way this man is totally biased by skin color like hes routing for the yankees or somthing. it alienates all white people because of the evils of a few rich whites

[Caeolian87]

@djam91 You're right a lot of whites descended from poor immigrants trying to do better & start a new life. For instance The Irish people wanted nothing to do with the Civil War but they were FORCED into it. But c'mon man. A few rich whites? Just a few? What about the people that ran with the popular Jim Crow ideols back in the day. As far as I'm concerned anyone & everyone that felt like they were better than black folks were evil in thoughts or wasn't brave enough to challenge the racism.

[MongoloidBabyUSA]

"Speaking truth to power", that's a throwaway line. Wright hobnobs with Farrakhan, that alone brings to question any sort of integrity, race healing or even devotion to Xtian principles Wright had. All TUCC is a black power shakedown group with the usual hocus pocus religious bs to jerk off the dumb blacks. Dyson's defense is dishonest, those DVDs were published & released by the TUCC.

[thebabycakes71]

@ezekielthemack AMEN

[MikeTysonEatsKids]

@ezekielthemack

I agree very intelligent man!

However, as a black man that sees what goes on with black inner city children I can tell you that blacks at some point have got to take responsibility for their kids. a 70% illegitimate rate is not the white mans fault, high crime rates as a result of that broken home is not the white mans fault. it all starts at home and sadly most of these homes are missing a father. Black "MEN" Need to step it up and be their for their kids!

[Legend1One]

@MikeTysonEatsKids Your not black. How can I tell... read your @HorChild response. I quote, "look at your favorite rapper gods, 50 cent, jaz,..." You used the pronoun "your" instead of our. Anyway, you may have a career in stand-up. Your screen name is a riot! LOL! If interested in showbiz, we may be able to work something out.

[MikeTysonEatsKids]

@Legend1One

I am Mike Tyson and I will eat your children!

[Legend1One]

@MikeTysonEatsKids LOL... I work with you crazy ass white boys all day, and where always looking for new talent. Personally, I enjoy racial comedy, not racist comedy. There is a difference. See Michael Richards.

[BOXCHEVYBOY350]

@ezekielthemack I feel you brother Wake up Wise up Raise up No More Glory for old glory

[MongoloidBabyUSA]

Now I have another reason to despise this pseudo intellectual affirmative action professor. I put down right wing religious types all the time so I have no problem denouncing this black left wing Elmer Gantry/Father Coughlin. Wright has proven himself not only a money grubber but another stupid antisemitic crackpot, a Christian suck up to the garbage in the NOI.

Dyson & Wright are cheap race hustler and religion in the black community is a scam. Blacks who spread the AIDS lie are retarded scum!

[janric26]

If republican white males are trying to keep white people richer then are the democrats job to keep the poor people poor? hummmmm like crack dealers the peddle welfare and social programs to keep the blacks coming back fo more

[vremetal]

Fuck all politicians.

We pay all the taxes, and they make all the rules!

We need true democracy...

Fire Congress, Let the People Legislate.

[back2thefutre]

holy cow, an intelligent black person. I thought black people like shot niggas and did hoes and shit.

[unelmitchell]

everything that rev. wright have said is the truth. mainly that everything is coming home to roost. when you do wrong to others everything will sooner or later comes back to you. and when you point this and other truths out in this country. they will mark an black person as being unpatriotic and unamerican. they have even have said that about dr. martin luther king jr. thats the comment attack they usually use when they disagree with you.

[simplexyz38]

i agree. karma

[MondoBeno]

Dyson "forgets" that there were Black doctors involved in the Tuskeegee Experiment.

All Dyson does is complain. He says "White people control the country" and complains about "scientists", but Dyson has done NOTHING for the Black community. He has done nothing to encourage Black teens to take up scholarship instead of sports.

He loves hip-hop because it's a way for him to control people that he feels are inferior to himself.

[MondoBeno]

It's not unusual to have a Pastor with extreme beliefs, yet not believe the same things as the Pastor.

I had a Pastor who preached things that went against my morals. But I didn't do whatever the guy wanted. My Pastor didn't create the universe, nor was he a Prophet; I don't believe that our creator talked to my Pastor anymore than he talked to me.

[aljones57]

trinitymike...let truthman50 keep thinking he is witty and smart with a laptop... he reminds me of a good joke. It goes like this "What do get when you have 32 rednecks in one room?" Answer " A full set of teeth. " Nuff said...

[truthman50]

Hey aljones, what do you get with a room full of black rappers? Killings, rape, drugs, and when the cops come they trip over their pants trying to run from the building!!! hahaalmwao

[trinitymike]

laptop??? I get the image of him on the terminals at the local library....

[truthman50]

Dyson you are full of shit. Where was Obamas grandma during the election? Where was Obamas relatives during the election? None showed up at the swearing in ceremony. Why? Where are they? Are there no relatives on his fathers or mothers side? They know what kind of man he is and stayed the hell away.

[LoveTruth86]

His grandmother passed away the day before he got elected, his grandfather died a while ago as well as his mother. His father passed away in the 80s. He had family from Kenya come to the inauguration as well as his sister and her family and Michelle Obama's family.

[Facebook289]

what type of shit is that? His grandma died the daybefore dumbass. His mother and father died. U dont make any sense. Ur just throwing in ridiculous remarks that u really have no idea what ur talkin about

[unelmitchell]

hey bitch don't come at me with that bullshit bitch. you go backing play with you fucking self bitch !!!

[Facebook289]

actually its giving you facts. Its up to you to accept it. Either way its the truth. You sound like these retarded conspiratorial theorists who concoct shit out of their ass. Dont get mad at me for callin you out on your BS

[unelmitchell]

you don't know what the fuck you are talking about so want you go with all that bs. i smell you a mile away with it !!!

[unelmitchell]

yes but if you go on this site and look up rush limbaugh attacks the katrina victums. you would change your minds. for the smart whites that don't follow limbaugh and have a brain ! this what i don't understand about you guys ? you would believe a fat pill popping racist, and try everything in the world to condemn someone like mr. martin luther king . that have preached about peace and god. the very sameones that have camed Bush a man of god. but his actions spoke differently !

[Facebook289]

i know that.

[truthman50]

this guy is a proffesor? what a joke.

[trinitymike]

lol...spell it properly if you want to be taken seriously...

[truthman50]

trinitymike, this is not a spelling bee. my point is this is another black man making excuses for other blacks.

[trinitymike]

Ok, we'll forget that you use a word you can't spell.......what exactly is Dyson saying that is wrong??? It's easy to make a blanket statement like "what a joke"; far more challenging to explain WHY and WHAT it is that led you to that conclusion.

[truthman50]

I dont have to explain nothing to you. Listen to him, and you will find your answer.

[trinitymike]

"I dont have to explain nothing to you"

LOL, well, you at least accept the fact that your commentary amounts to 'nothing'; that's the first step towards self-improvement.

[truthman50]

LOL, You must think my commentary means something, otherwise you would not be so inclined to keep coming back for more. lmao

[truthman50]

trinity, so you are a cultural theorist? That is your occupation? lmfwao. And, you call yourself trinitymike. The trinity, hahahahahaha omg. In other words you dont have a job and you are 1 broke ass chump. lol

[truthman50]

LOL.you dont even make sense! ( whatever to belief about me)? what? The only journal you will get cited in is the arrest section in the paper.

[trinitymike]

Must suck to be 50 and realise that you'll never make an impact in the world. I understand why that would make you bitter and need to vent on a message board...

[truthman50]

Oh no ! Its great to be 50 ! I have seen more and done more than you ever have. Whats your age trininty? Be patient, you will mature in time.

[trinitymike]

Well,if you represent maturity, I'll pass on it...I seriously doubt you've had a better life than I have...but, I've decided that arguing you here is a waste of bioth our time and I'll say adios.

[trinitymike]

you came back after a week to post that??? pathetic...

[trinitymike]

Another know-nothing comment from truthman....Who didn't see that coming???

You know, whatever you need to believe about me or others on here to avoid deep-throating a gun barrel, I won't deny you...you go on spouting sh*t online, I'll go on living my life..making a good living..getting cited in Journals, enjoying tenure..broke ass?? far from it...

[unelmitchell]

if you want to hear a joke listen to rush limbaugh . he is a fucking joke that never knows what the fuck he is talking aout about . that pill poping bitch. then to add salt to the injury. he have came on his radio show and lied most of the time and even attacked the hurricane katrina victums. attacking hard working americans that have lost there lives.

[truthman50]

Katrina? Hard working Americans? Shit man, most of those people were black poor ass, no working, gang banging thugs. Black men raping and killing and stealing in the Dome. Black men pushing women and children aside to get on the rescue boat or helicopter. Fuckin shame.

[chriseschete]

so what he is saying is Sen. Obama had to just SAY he doesn't agree with his former pastor views. He just had to b.s everybody and it would be all good because we would buy it

[oddusee1]

i want to know what black politician talks about secret society.i listen to all the shit they say but no one talks about secret society.does dyson talk about s.s anywhere

[lsnfoundation]

First African American President Barack Obama's did not have to explain anything about anyone. He wanted to explain something about Rev. Wright. Besides, Rev. Wright is a grown man not a kid and his the right to say whatever he wants and that is not Obama's business. In addition, when he was asked he should had replied that Rev. Wright is a grown man and I only can give an account of myself.

[NegroXFile]

Amen/

[redbonegal]

OK, Black folks, lets not feed the 12 year old you-boob trolls!! ..Anyhow, he's right on. It's funny how other ethnicities speak all this brotherhood shyt on line and then don't even speak to you on the street, especially Asians and Indians. They are the worlds worst with rudeness!! But when they need something , they call Black groups to support them. But they never support any Black causes at all. They sure set up all their stores in Black 'hoods though.

[lopytube]

deep brother deep.lol. but really good point

[thebabycakes71]

@redbonegal preach brudda...PREACH.

[supermike2164]

I learn every time I listen to this brotha.

[dankbot420]

Blacks have been on the receiving end of racism since the founding of this country. Any racism from Blacks is just a natural reaction. Watch a documentary called "The Last Lynching" by Ted Kopple and you'll see why there was nothing wrong with what Rev. Wright said. If Obama's mom and dad were walking down the street in the south 40 years ago, his father would have been beaten and hung from a tree. Blacks should accept this?

[xxashyy]

Blacks did experience hard racism at that time. Its a new day now though and its now time to focus on the future. No more of these "racism" excuses. White Racism is not causing black gang member to shoot and kill other blacks. White Racism is NOT telling blacks to call each other "niggaz" in rap lyrics. White Racism is not sending blacks in record numbers to prison. White Racism is NOT telling blacks to have kids out of wedlock. Let take responsibility for are OWN actions.

[dankbot420]

at that time?....Have you heard of

"Sean Bell" or how about

Yousef Hawkins? google them...

This stuff happened recently.

I agree with you that blacks do need to take more responsibility for the own actions but at the same time you can't disregard the social and racial inequality that still exists in this country today.

If a black man and a white man commit the same

crime, the black man will get a harsher sentence. Why is that?

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[xxashyy]

They're are a lot of police brutality incidents and not all racist incidents. Unfortunately most Black neighborhoods are so dangerous cops do get trigger happy even black cops. As for this black man white man argument Ive have seen no evidence that blacks get harsher sentencing than whites. Although that may happen due to outstanding warrants or degrees in the crime.

[dankbot420]

Criminologists have long argued that there

are sharp inequalities in the American

Justice system when it comes to dealing with

whites and blacks.

The first thing that comes to mind is

"racial profiling". And thats just one of many examples.

Go to your local library and read this:

"Pettit, Becky, Bruce Western. 2004. Mass Imprisonment and the Life Course: Race and Class Inequality in U.S. Incarceration. American Sociological Review 69: 151 169."

[xxashyy]

There is nothing wrong with racial profiling. That was a part of basic police work until it because politically incorrect in the mid to late 90's. It's no different than gender profiling all it is is basic observation of a suspect. Why is that a problem?!? Also there are inequalities in the justice because true fully more crimes happen in the intercity than in all white areas. That's a fact get over it.

[dankbot420]

Bobo, Lawrence D., Victor Thompson. 2006. Unfair By Design: The War on Drugs Race, and the Legitimacy of the Criminal Justice System. Social Research 73: 445-472.

[xxashyy]

Also if they're is such a thing as "racial inequality" or "institutional racism". The the only race I hear the loudest complaining about that are African American already here in this country. I don't hear this nonsense coming form Asians, Africans, or even Hispanics immigrants although some jump on that bandwagon too mainly because of immigration disputes.

[sspsllc]

That's because Asians, Africans and Hispanics are treated much differently than black Americans.

[large914amount]

thats the problem institutional racism already exist to such an extent that the ones exposed to it are unaware of its effect. this is why racism in this form would not be felt by those who were not naturalized within the u.s. but do not assume that those from other countries do not experience racism they just have more fight in them

[xxashyy]

I don't agree. I'm black and doing quite well and never seen or experienced so called "institutional racism" If it does exist its very minor. I believe things are based on class now or days. Also of course racism in other countries do exist you even have lighter shade people discriminating against darker shades of people openly. That doesn't happen here in multicultural America openly though.

[jonsanabria]

Yes we can say it is a class problem in today's society but what we fail to accept is that those that are at the bottom are those of color, and when I say color I include Latinos in this conversation. We can not take the accomplishments of few individula's as yourself and I and say that it has been fixed when all over the nation those of color are being treated less than second class citezens.

[hotchoccolate23]

yes its classim n racism , because racism is a tool in capitalism n imperialism to keep a certain class n strucutre to make profit

[dankbot420]

The likelihood of black males going to prison in their lifetime is 16% compared to 2% of white males. If there is no substantial gap in the likelihood of committing a crime between races then this evidence proves beyond a reasonable doubt that there is racial inequality in the criminal justice system. Other social factors can be linked to the racial inequality in the criminal justice system such as Socioeconomic status, the environment you grew up in, and educational level.

[xxashyy]

This is mainly due to gang activity. With gang activity comes higher rates of homicides and armed robberies two felonies. Which is why blacks outnumber whites in prison. Also on top of that drug incarnations which i'm not a fan of BTW. Its doesn't take rocket science. Nothing can be equal all the time man. Its up the black community to fix the gang and drug problem then prison rates would reduce.

[dankbot420]

I'm not an expert, but I listen to the experts.

Are you an expert or

criminologist?

Read the reports and then you see why your comments are nonsense.

[xxashyy]

You can find some criminologist or so called experts that confirm YOUR opinions about crime stats or so called "inequality". But not ALL criminologist and experts are in FULL agreement about this issue. I go with the FBI uniform crime report, my own observations and common sense. That's good enough for me.

[xxashyy]

Everyday I hear in the news black people in they're own neighborhoods being shot down by black gangs. NOT white gangs, black gangs. Which is WHY they go to prison to being with. Now you can keep excusing all of this away all you want by focusing on the white man or talking endlessly about police brutality. This arguement its NOT going anywhere.

[ndrangheta2008]

Asshole, it has nothing to do with racist inequality. Stop scapegoating, you racist prick.

[Facebook289]

racial inequality

[xxashyy]

We have Africans, Mexicans,and Asians from dirt poor countries that come to America now setting up business and living here without the lame excuses. While we have black Americans here continue to bitch and moan about something that happened years ago. We also have a black president now so let's now cut the excuses and stop listening the dyson's of this world.

[WorldWideTVShow]

No, I don't think it's because we're racist. I still think that many white folks still see blacks as their property and think that whatever they feel that they(blacks)have to feel the same way.

[harvestmoondog]

"He's much more elegant...in public. So he said...{{laughter}} He's a sho' 'nuff brutha." Wow, more evidence that Bambi's just an actor in an empty suit. Thanks for the video!

[ntn056]

I think he is just supporting the fact that most people reguardless of race speak differently in private than in the public eye, but both Obama's answer and Dr. Dyson's real talk explanation are both the same ideas. I believe it is the equivalent to the republican parties small town views.

[dankbot420]

Where is your lecture or speech about

racism or politics in America?

What books have you written on the subject?

Until you have the same level of educational success as Mr. Tyson, you need to be quiet

and read Malcom X's book while listening to your classical.

[BlaccChief]

Do you expect him to be at home, " For to long I have waited for you to pass the salt, and now it is time for change Michelle. For to long the salt has sat on your end of the table and for to long I have had to ask for the Salt. It is evident through the years that I like salt and I think it's time for a change. From now on we will leave the salt on my end of the table and no longer deal with this injustice that has been a continuing cycle of dinner table indoctrination."...I don't think so.

[xxashyy]

Then the so called "organizers" again like ACORN complained about "predatory lending" when all the banks were doing was avoiding trouble from the polictical democrats and getting they're commissions on these loans. Then the bubble burst and were in this huge MESS. Thanks to the lies about "institutional racism".

[dankbot420]

So you think "institutional racism"

doesn't exist?

[xxashyy]

No I don't and don't know anyone around me that has experienced such a thing. I believe that's made up excuse by some irresponsible people.

[dankbot420]

I want to recommend a book to you.

It's called "The Cost of Privilege".

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[xxashyy]

Your 100% right about Michael Eric Dyson though. I see him on television give these speeches, and most of what he gives is the standard rhetoric we've all heard from types like him. Its a lot of empty rhetoric with no substance which confuses people.

[bruthav]

Michael Eric Dyson does a lot of talking, but doesn't say anything relevant and/or substantial. He reminds me a lot of Oswald Bates from the comedy show "In Living Color" (played by Damon Wayans).

Also, Franklin Raines, a black man, and colossally inept former chairman and CEO of Fannie Me, did just as much damage to our economy by contributing to the subprime mortgage crisis, than any white man on Wall Street. And he received a 50 million dollar windfall despite his idiocy.

[xxashyy]

I want to get back to this "spirited young athletes" nonsense. That brief state of denial is why the black innercities are the way they are now. The reason why black males are in prison in high numbers now. You cant blame that denial on anyone elese but yourself there. We have people like you who sweep this under the rug and blame others for this mess. Plain and simple sir.

[xxashyy]

Its sad but true. The facts are that blacks in prison outnumber every race in this country. So i have the proof in what im saying, but thats not my real point. What i will not do is blame poor blacks for destroying america unlike Mr wright who blames ALL rich white people especially if I retire next to them.

[xxashyy]

Also not all coporations are bad and they provide jobs. Nothing racist there right? Beating the same drum of trying to blame someone for your own life is getting old. Also none of his defenders on this board can tell me. If the rich..white...people..are so bad and destroying america? Why did Mr. Wright retire next to them?

[xxashyy]

Also who is he liberating? There's nothing racial about that. Or how bout him blaming the so called rich white people for everything wrong in America? Blaming a whole group of people and knowing full well that non whites own corporations and have big government positions.

[mln9898]

And It's really misleading when people just show the clip "goddamn america" by itself without the context

[mln9898]

ya I just watched the Jeremiah Wright thing the other day, and I don't think he said anything that was fucked up or crazy. He said "goddamn America" because we don't respect international laws and we're in a war that was started out of lies and many innocent lives (both our soldiers & the people of Iraq) have been lost. When someone says America they can mean a lot of different things. The land, the culture, the people, the leaders and how they interact with the rest of the world, etc

[eirefrance]

I didn't know the thing Obama said about MLK. Pretty awesome. Makes me like Obama just a little bit more.

[xxashyy]

Also Dyson says america is controlled by rich white people which is a pretty broad racist statement and might not be true. There are owners of corporations that are also owned by jews, arabs, and indians too, and thats a fact. How would Dyson and the leftist media like it if a white preacher said in America the crime element is caused by black people. OOOOOHH Dyson and the white liberals that cater to his views would hypocritically fake outrage about statements like that.

[baseballnolie34]

As a liberal I agree with you that it's stupid to make statements like that, but I think 1) He's more right than wrong; and 2) statements made from power are open to more condemnation than those made from weakness.

So no, he shouldn't say it, but it's not the same as blaming black people for crime.

[xxashyy]

Why not make the statment that poor black people commit crimes? It's a half truth. Just like saying rich white people control america? So dont see a real difference there. There some truth about the weaknees part you talk about. I also find wright to be a typicial hypocrite preacher. He complains about rich white people in his sermons but then moves into a mansion in a all white neighborhood?! Cmon now. I feel sorry for the thousands of poor dupes that listen to Wrights hate rants.

[Plutonwolf]

To say that there are corps owned by other ethnicities than whites does not neccessarily change the fact that America is controlled by rich white people, it just means that some other racial types have managed to shoe-horn themselves into the game. As far as White preachers saying that crime is a Black issue? Please. Disingenuosity like that does not even deserve a response. One last thing, Jews are white, and sometimes slightly brown, maybe black, but mostly white.

[xxashyy]

Acutally if you can say America is controlled by rich white people mostly which is a half truth. Then I can say with facts according to fbi uniform crime report and jail statics that poor blacks do commit most of the serious crimes in America. You dont want to respond to that because you know there some truth in that. Why is that wrong to say even though there are facts to back this up, but its okay to say america is controlled by rich white people which is a broad generalzation?

[Plutonwolf]

What was that old saw? "There are lies damn lies and then there are statistics" The reality of the matter is that if 2 teenagers from identacle circumstances are busted for doing exactly the same thing, oh, lets say, driving while smoking a doobie, first off, odds are the white kid would have a far higher likelyhood of just being harrassed and turned over to his parents, if he goes to court, then he has a far greater chance of not being convicted at all, and if convicted, he will be *cont*

[Plutonwolf]

Pt#2 charged with a expungable offense, his record will be clean. Most whites have a far better chance of walking away from a crime clean than blacks.

Second. Laws and law enforcement specifically terget blacks, profiling is an undeniable reality. From the differentiation of Crack Cocaine sentencing rates to police presence and perception in predominantly black communities.

Don't try to shit a shitter. I am 4th gen. Police descendant, I know whats going on and it isnt pretty

[xxashyy]

I do agree with the drug laws. They should not be crimes, but involve treatment. Or even sentence all drug dealers to death. Because drugs have a negetive lasting effect. As for high police presence in the innercity. Well, duh! Most of the innercities have REAL gang problem which results in high homicide and robbery rates.

[xxashyy]

Without the high numbers of police presence the innercities would tear itself apart! Cmon now. Also when was the last time you heard of a mainstrean suburban white gang? Lets be real here.

[Plutonwolf]

They're not called gangs, they're called high spirited young athletes. You're not going to get away flinging code speak here, let's cut to the chase. Why not just come right out and say what it is that you are dancing around. You think that black people are genetically inclined to criminallity, they are somehow incapable of following the rule of law, they are mentally inferior. I think I've heard this screed a couple of times before, before hey, it's your dime, make the call.

[xxashyy]

Just like everything else black people with arguements such like yourself suspect something without any real evidence just like the word racism. That's why im really not bothered by that word anymore because most blacks ive noticed tend to aggerate such claims.

[xxashyy]

I've also noticed whenever someone white or non white points out the real problems in the innercity people like you right away defend these problems, excuse it all away, or try to deny it. I mean just now you said these Black gangs were not violent GANGS but "spirited young athletes" I mean how out of touch is that?

[xxashyy]

Now you know I didnt say blacks were genetically inclined to crime. Because guess what im black myself. All I said was the stats and my own observations prove my points you cant rebut. So as usual you assume something thats not true. Also im responding to the generalization and half truth Wright made about ALL rich white people and made a "what if" in reverse.

[bruthav]

I agree with you that blacks are NOT genetically inclined to commit crime; however, I do believe that many blacks are CULTURALLY inclined to commit crime, as they are to shun education and have children out of wedlock.

[xxashyy]

I agree with that to some extent. There is an element of the so called hip hop culture that embraces full Nihilism and supports the gang violence. I believe that segment of hip hop should be completely destroyed before it influnces more young black males to self destruct. But if you talk about the REAL reasons why the Black innercities suffer the arguement gets shifted to "institutional racism" or some other excuse.

[bruthav]

Do you espouse the canard of institutional racism?

[xxashyy]

Well.. No not really because I never experiened it nor my friends and family. It might exist but the people that claim there is such institutional racism havent convinced me with real hard evidence, most are just weak assumptions. This housing mess is a great example of that.

[xxashyy]

Blacks were complaining about red lining. When the "civil rights" leaders or "community organizers" complained to the democrats about this "red lining" from banks. The democrats pretty much threatened the banks with fines if they didnt sell to ALL blacks wheather they had bad credit or not.

[xxashyy]

The banks told these so called "humanitarians" that most of these people cannot afford a house. Democrats didnt care, so housing was then politized thanks to the democrats like Harry Reid and Barney Frank. The banks then started lending to poor minorites.

[xxashyy]

If anybody white or black brings up these REAL issues without the excuses like Bill Cosby for instance they're shuned and suspect not really in black community but by most Black mainstream policial figures including some churchman. Its a real shame, and why I get angry at some of my own people like Dyson and other figures who tolerate the nonsense in our innercities and excuse it all away.

[bruthav]

Yes, the list is long of those that are "shunned" in the black community: Clarence Thomas, Shelby Steele, Ward Connerly, Walter Williams, Thomas Sowell, etc. Many Conservative blacks that I know stay "in the closet" because of the fear of being ostracized by the black community.

[xxashyy]

I agree. Some Black conservatives are shuned because most tell the truth about the innercities which is a direct threat to the standard "civil rights" hustlers wheather they be black polictians or churchmen. They're game is threatened because of theyre own ambitions in trying to fool the people about the black community. Most trying to blame this mess on the white man or the federal government which is absoulte nonsense.

[xxashyy]

These people get a lot of status in the mainstream media which feed theyre egos. Also Black conservatives are also ignored in the black community just simply because of tradition after the 1960's civil rights era. Now im not stumping for the so called "conservatives" in washington. I believe they've made a BIG MESS with this bush administration. But to keep voting democrat doesnt make any sense either so why not a 3rd party?

[xxashyy]

One more thing. You also talk about "police specifically targeting blacks" Did you know that black cops increasingly especially in my dads neighborhood in Chicago are present in most of these innercity areas? Are these black cops racists for "targeting" blacks? Also even if white cops were patroling a black neighborhood he would have to "target" a black suspect in an ALL black neighborhood. Otherwise he wouldnt be doing his job. I mean people with youre views drive me up a wall.

[xxashyy]

Im not talking about petty crimes like that. I'm talking about blacks being convicted in high numbers in homicide, armed robbery, home invasion. Stuff like that and you cant deny. Besides not only do you see the stats in the FBI Uniform crime report I see the evidence on the 9 o clock news, and in my dads neighborhood too.

[xxashyy]

LOL! Did Mike Dyson just call the good Rev a prophet? The same Jeremiah Wright who preaches hate toward white americans. The same Jeremiah Wright who comes up with conspiracy theories about the US government injecting AIDS into black americans? The same Jeremiah Wright who retired in a huge mansion in a all white neighborhood? I believe he took a cue from farrakhan who also has a mansion living next to the white devils. Comedian Michael Eric Dyson I name you the worst person in the world!

[eirefrance]

A: You need to calm down, stop getting angry at what you don't understand and think about what he means by the word prophet.

B: Jeremiah Wright has said some crazy shit, but I have yet to hear him preach hatred against white people. I have heard him preach anger against a group of people who have consistently disrespected the rights of him, his family, his friends and his people. Calling that racist hatred takes some serious self-centered blinders.

[xxashyy]

LOL me angry. I find mr Wright very entertaining! Especially towards the sheeple that agree with some of his crazy and racist anti white views. You say hes not a racist? Then why did he adopts some werid cult like black liberation theology?

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