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wait... there are corrupt police and politicians in every country. that means government is bad . government is also an evil cause of war. police have beaten up people with no reason. politicians have accepted bribes and gifts. and the government covers it up.
@c0p13dn4m3 No, he just used it to manipulate the masses. Anyone can see that in a Christian nation like Germany, it was important for Hitler to get them all on his side. Although he had a catholic upbringing, he said several things in his later life that would surely put him at least in the agnostic section.
@c0p13dn4m3 He believed himself to be almost godlike it seems, but that is more of a narcissistic trait than anything else. But if you look at the nazi rallies they really were spiritual propagandafests in their own right
@OnkelStein I think he was more against organized religion, but he viewed atheism as an integral part of bolshevism, and as such, he was out to destroy it. But it is true, that Hitler's religious views aren't clear.
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Maher made a real mistake in not putting this into the full movie. The scene makes an incredibly valid point against Christianity's "Well, Hitler and Stalin were atheists."
@boomtao Goebbels notes in a diary entry in 1939 a conversation in which Hitler had "expressed his revulsion against Christianity. He wished that the time were ripe for him to be able to openly express that. Christianity had corrupted and infected the entire world of antiquity."
@boomtao Albert Speer reports in his memoirs of a similar statement made by Hitler: "You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"
@draken87 -- On top of it all, we are leaving out the role that the vatican played in WWII and the extermination of jews. It is so dirty and so guilty that I am truly amazed that it has not been officially labeled as a criminal organization and that it hasn't been locked down. It goes to show you that religion can get away with everything: mass-murder, child-rape, fascism, tax-evasion, theft, hate-mongering, money-laundering and -of course- lies!
@boomtao We were discussing Hitlers personal beliefs not the role of the Catholic church. Publicly he said, hey I believe (as you said about Mein Kampf), but that does not make him an actual believer, in privat conversations with his followers he frowned on Christianity.
@zofspade beside the fact that Hitler told this to Albert Speer and Goebbels, who wrote it in his diary, which still exists today, yeah right you cant prove that .......*irony off*
@draken87 ...and you're still avoiding my actual point. You really suck at this. Seriously, go read my original statement and try to addressing it. Proving the Hitler was an atheist proves absolutely nothing about the nature of atheism.
Also, you have only cited instances where he insulted religion, nothing about the existence of god. Try again (and learn how to type out "please", douchebag).
You hear that sound? That taps on the keyboard? That's me winning this argument.
@zofspade i never wanted to prove anything about atheism^^, i just said he wasnt christian. You dont get this right? i just gave you facts and you try to see them the way you want to see them, period.
@draken87 Since its up for debate, it isn't a fact. This means you have some point behind "proving" this. Or, you're just a douchebag. Either, it's still nonsense.
@zofspade Diary entries from leading nazis who were very close to Hitler are facts. I never discussed whether Hitler was an atheist or not, and frankly i dont care because it does not really make a difference. It ist just a fact that he didnt have very favorable views of Christianity, he just used it at public occasions in order to persue his own goals. This is not up for debate it is simply a fact. Read the arguments more thoroughly before saying "nonsense", please.
@zofspade this is useless you are too ignorant for a debate because you just want to stick to your view. you dont accept valid arguments therefore the quotation suits you quite well. Before you enter a discussion deal with the topic at least a little bit, even if it is just youtube.
@zofspade ignorant means more, it also might mean willingly ignoring knowledge, which you did because you did not even try to make a point you just kept saying it is nonsense. You ignored the quotes from Goebbels and Speer, two of Hitler's closest acquaintances.
@draken87 No, it doesn't. You are ignorant of the definition. See? That's the right use. And no, I didn't ignore those quotes. I'm skeptical of the small amount of evidence.
@zofspade ok this is pointless, stick to your narrow definition of the word if you want to be skeptical it is better to have at least some argument - just saying "nonsense" does not seem skeptical but you know .... not really participating since i did not feel i discussed with you at all, i basically listed some argumentents and you just kept saying no no no no ..., thats a great way to have an opinon, true
@draken87 I didn't say the quotes were nonsense. I also never said "no" to your argument. Try reading. And at least I'm not making up definitions of words.
@zofspade well saying nonsense is almost the same as saying no, it is just more offensiv + the "douchebag" thing.... well thats it for me, good bye zofspade
Hilter proclaimed himself a christian numerous times, in speeches and in Mein Kampf. SS soldiers wore belt buckles that said "gott mit uns" (god is with us)
@loner1878 Goebbels notes in a diary entry in 1939 a conversation in which Hitler had "expressed his revulsion against Christianity. He wished that the time were ripe for him to be able to openly express that. Christianity had corrupted and infected the entire world of antiquity."
@mcmorma Oh how immature you are. Everyone sucks trust me. If you haven't figured that out then you haven't experienced enough. Hate EVERYONE they are all a bunch of cunts.
@DaedalosBand Comments like this show why I am applying for asylum to countries in Western Europe. In North America hate for Transsexuals is so rampant, unremitting, and unrepentant that sexually molesting a Transsexual is legal and intimating them or beating them is even encouraged by the local authorities.
@janetmerner, Did you just say sexually molesting a transsexual is legal in North America? That is absurd and stupid. And what "authorities" encourages beating and "intimating them"? (i think you mean intimidating?) If you haven't noticed, Americans are violent too everybody. We have churches on every street all teaching the ignorance fueled hatred of people 2000 years ago. If you're not transsexual, people will find another reason to hate you. Because here, we are all equal. god bless america
So its okay for you to be prejudice against all 300,000,000 North Americans because of one asshole child, but it isn't okay for him to be prejudice against transsexuals? As fate would have it, I grew up in Florida and now I live a few hours from Canada. If you want people to see you for who you are, then do the same. You've grouped me in with whatever moron wrote that message simply because I live on the same continent. Visit Saudi Arabia and then tell me how bad we Americans are.
@evilsinzy You wrote to me not him. You are just as prejudiced, you just let other people talk for you, even when you disagree. As long as their are people like you or him, I have the right to be prejudiced back. If you disagree with him right him telling me I don't have the right to be prejudiced against people that are part of the same system of intolerance is nonsense. You are either the solution or the problem.
You're not making any sense. I never let anybody speak for me. It is you that is allowing some idiot to speak for 300 million people. My point is that you're just full of shit. Nothing you've said is true. You used a conversation with some ignorant child to represent the other 300 million people. Its fine for simple conversation, but your talking about major conspiracies. There isn't enough transsexuals for anybody to even have an opinion. They are too busy hating democrats.
Bill Maher missed one other point, Christianity was the direct cause of the Holocaust. Christianity taught that the Jews rejected and murdered their god.
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Bill is way of here. the problem in every example he names is human nature, not religion. human beings are inherently greedy and power hungry and that has had a huge effect on human history. trying to blame religion for that is like trying to blame the use of cars for the deaths caused by drunk driving. i like Bill, but on religion and on Maxine Watters and B. Frank, his ignorance disappoints me. howvere, i still watch his show... religiously
Because he said so in the film. He said that religion will destroy us all, and we must get rid of it. He completely ignores the fact that anti-religion has been far more destructive.
And yes, France has had violence over religion. Haven't you heard of the Reign of Terror? Robespierre and St. Juste ordered many people sent to the guillotine simply because they were Christians.
If we get rid of religion, we will have a complete cultural vacuity, much as what has happened in Northern Europe.
yeah, not agreeing wiith vegitoth, he would prefer a world with no religion, that's obvious.
And yes, France did have a lot of violence around that time. It also had a lot of violence during the Protestant Reformation, when Protestants and Catholics butchered each other. Of course I can give all the usual suspects, the Crusades etc, to point out that religion does NOT prevent violence.
Looking at France now, it is predominantly atheist and nowhere near as volatile. Compare with Middle East.
Bill obviously can't connect the dots here. It's quite apparent that he made Religulous to try and wipe out religion from the earth, but he should see that religion is an inevitability. In the case of Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union, what came forth was much the same as the ancient pagan states: State-worship.
Whenever a society has tried to purge itself of religion, it has ended up not with the glorious utopia it hoped for, but a bloody tyranny. Just ask the French Revolutionaries.
Hitler believed he could what he did because of God. He had the same sick belief about Jews that Christian Crusaders had more than a millenia before. The Catholic Church decided not to speak up against it from the Pope on down at the time (there were some brave priests that did though). One can assume they did not speak out against for fear of retaliation against the Church.
That's my problem with organized religion - the institution of the faith becomes more important than the faith itself.
He was not a Christian. His God-talk was all propaganda. In private, he said that Christianity was the worst thing to ever happen to humanity, and it, like Bolshevism, was a Jewish invention.
What good would the Pope's speaking out have done? Would Hitler have never invaded Poland? And what else could he have done? Struck North Africa with the mighty Vatican infantry? Oh, I know, he could have sent in the Vatican Air Force to bomb Berlin!
Whether Hitler was Christian or not, he still used Christianity as a tool to help acheive his aims, as he used fascism, both have gained their entire power structure from emotional manipulation and baseless lies. I wonder how many preachers and con men have also not believed what they were spouting?
On an admittedly less certain note, just throwing it out there, the Pope's meek compliance and refusal to speak out probably gave a lot of legitimacy to what Hitler was doing.
Religulous was a great film. The ones who rail against it are oftentimes butthurt religious folks who can't accept the fact that they're, at least in part, mentally ill for believing in this crap without evidence and acting like it's EVERYTHING.
@whoo689 True. And I speak as an ex-butthurt religious folk. Not very religious mind. But enough to make me feel butthurt when seeing stuff like this. (Btw, now - love it. Well, apart from the scary bits) ;D
Answer: Because America's Founding Fathers believed that government should be controlled through a series of checks and balances and that individuals were endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights. Which they outlined in the constitution and bill of rights.
Large fractions of the principal Founding Fathers, including Jefferson (Author of the Declaration of Independence), Madison ("Father of the Constitution"), Franklin (on $100 bill), et al were neither Christian nor religious. You are just outright wrong and uninformed.
To answer the second question, yes, millions have been killed by some "crazy religious demagogue" since 1776. Look to the Armenian genocide for one example.
And many millions had been killed by numerous "crazy religious demagogues" prior to 1776.
Also, whilst some were religious, if not fundamentally, I think secularism (ie seperation of church and state) was a big thing then. Not so much now it seems.
If Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, Fidel Castro, Pol Pot and the many other countless psychopaths that were granted dictatorial powers through the medium of socialism, were not granted such power, many millions would be alive today.
Lets all put our thinking caps on for a moment and think...
First, Hitler was vehemently against socialism and communism. And atheism.
Second, you missed the point. Big C communism was not based on atheism, it was coincidently atheist. It was State-ism, and enforced worship of the state and leader. They didn't kill in the name of atheism, they killed in the name of strict, unquestioning obedience, just as the Church did in the name of God and Jesus according to the Bible in the Crusades, Inquisition, etc.
Okay... now your telling me that Hitler who was the leader of the National Socialist German Worker's Party was not a socialist. Sure.
Regardless of whether Hitler belonged to a cult or religion he was a demagogue who was able to exercise dictatorial powers. Point is It was the form of government not religion that was most responsible. Without dictatorial powers Hitler would not have been able to carry out his "Final Solution" and kill millions of innocent. Correct me if I am wrong.
That is exactly what I'm "telling you". Just because the word "socialist" was in their title, doesn't mean they are socialists. When you say "socialist" you are alluding to socialism, which is a distinct political system with distinct stances. Socialism is on the left of the political spectrum, Nazis were extreme right-wing. Socialism endorses NO class system, Nazis relied on class systems. This is simple political theory, here. Hitler was against Socialism.
What are you, stupid or something? Nazis were extreme left wing. Left wing means more government control. If you don't think the nazi governemnt was controlling then you need to get your head examined. Anarchy is extreme right wing. An authoritarian government is extreme left wing.
Nazism isn't monolithic but it was essentially right wing. By your definition of Right/Left as desire for gov't control (ie big/little gov't), are you suggesting that Nazis did NOT want gov't control?! The fact that the gov't was "controlling" is neither here nor there.
Nazism wasn't progressive or liberal, it was fascist and conservative. It had an official religion and social order. It was everything left wing politics and socialism aren't.
The Nazi government had a lot of control, in case you didn't notice, which makes them left wing.
Liberal just means that you want to change what is already in place, and conservative just means that you want to keep what we already have. I'm pretty sure the killing of jews was a new policy, which means the Nazis were liberal left wing facists.
Christians (and Muslims) had been doing so for more than 1,000 years before Hitler. And Hitler didn't only kill Jews, he killed many other groups, notably communists. Strange thing for a socialist to do.
Nazis aimed at preserving a Christian Germany for Christian Germans. Preservation is not liberal or progressive.
Putting jews in concentration camps and killing them was new to germany before the Nazis wasn't it? It doesn't have to be completely new to the world for it to be liberal.
While Nazism was absolutely a totalitarian gov't, I can't agree that religion wasn't responsible. Hitler was elected and played on teh emotions of Germans. He heavily utilized Christianity as a foundation for what he was doing.
When most people think of Hitler and Nazis, they immediately think of genocide against Jews. Well, the Christian church (Catholic and Protestant) had a long history of persecution against the Jews. Hitler wasn't doing anything new here.
Hitler wasn't elected chancellor, he was appointed such, then usurped Presidential power.
But the power was sustained by an 85% vote in a plebiscite held in August 1934. And that's 85% of voting German citizens. I think "elected" will suffice in general terms, even if semantically incorrect.
Again, authoritarians are right-wing, if arguing his dictatorial status. Socialists are against class systems; a dictator is at the head of a class system. You have your political terminology confused.
"venomous beasts, vipers, disgusting scum, canders, devils incarnate. Their private houses must be destroyed and devastated, they could be lodged in stables. Let the magistrates burn their synagogues and let whatever escapes be covered with sand and mud. Let them force to work, and if this avails nothing, we will be compelled to expel them like dogs in order not to expose ourselves to incurring divine wrath and eternal damnation from the Jews and their lies." - German Christian Martin Luther
Hitler was clearly a leftist. You have the government spectrum confused. The extreme right is anarchy and the extreme left is totolitarian dictatorship. Hear it straight from the horse's mouth:
"A powerful national government may encroach considerably upon the liberty of individuals as well as of the different States, and assume the responsibility for it, without weakening the Empire Idea, if only every citizen recognizes such measures as means for making his nation greater." - Adolf Hitler
Hitler was not a leftist. Common mistake, mainly due to the fact that Hitler hid behind the term Socialist, which is part of the word "Nazi" in an effort to appear populist. Socialism requires worker ownership and control of the means of production, and such was not the case in Nazi Germany. Further, Fascism (and Authoritarianism in general) is of the right (politically).
It must suck to rail against liberals as Nazis and Fascists while actually being aligned with those terms more oneself.
Facism and Authoritarianism are of the left politically because they require a very powerful government. The right wing is for small government. Anarchy is the extreme for the right.
"Hitler's political beliefs place him almost always on the far right. He advocated racism over racial tolerance, eugenics over freedom of reproduction, merit over equality, competition over cooperation, power politics and militarism over pacifism, dictatorship over democracy, capitalism over Marxism, realism over idealism, nationalism over internationalism, exclusiveness over inclusiveness, common sense over theory or science, pragmatism over principle [&was friendly w/ Church tho an atheist]"
SORRY, but u have arranged ur political continuum along a false axis, so to speak.
It is not primarily the SIZE of government that determines whether something is politically LEFT or RIGHT. Fundamentally, The Left is progressive, welcoming social change, & the Right is reactionary, preserving the status quo social order.
Pls see wikipedia. org/wiki/Left-right_politics
or call a local Poli Sci Professor & ask to have it explained,
but pls quit spreading outright misinformation & lies.
"In modern political rhetoric, those on the Left typically emphasize their support of working people and accuse the Right of supporting the interests of the upper class, whereas those on the Right usually emphasize their support of individualism and accuse the Left of supporting collectivism. Thus, arguments about the way the words should be used often displace arguments about policy by raising emotional prejudice against a preconceived notion of what left and right mean."
"Originally, the defining point on the ideological spectrum were attitudes towards the ancien régime (old order). "The Right" implied support for aristocratic, royal & clerical interests, while "The Left" implied support for republicanism, secularism & civil liberties... The earlier "left-wing" politicians were advocates of laissez faire capitalism & the "right-wing" politicians opposed it, until early 19thcentury when anti-capitalism gained favour among the leftists due to rise of socialism."
You're thinking of conservative and liberal. Conservatives want to preserve the status quo and liberals want to change it. The founding fathers were called liberal because they wanted to make a change, but they weren't left wing since they wanted more freedom for the people and less government control. Now they would be considered right wing conservatives. It doesn't really matter though. I'd rather talk about ideologies than what categories they fall under. What difference does it make?
"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism." -Vladimir Lenin
Notice that Bill Maher completely fails to recognize that every one of those "religious people" that he mentioned were all socialist dictators. The variable that is most responsible for the deaths of millions is clearly Socialism in this equation.
I mean that no nation's census has ever reported a Greek polytheist and no major work has been published in the past thousand years in relation to A-Greek theology as a contemporary faith.
1 The Roman govt sought to unify faiths and writers such as Ovid wrote The Metamorphoses
2 Roman synchretism supplanted Greek polytheism almost universally
3 Overtime, the Greek polytheism was replaced in the minds of individuals with Roman synchretism and eventually it was all replaced by Christianity.
at 2:05 he describes the Nazi theology, by saying that they preached that jews were inhuman, which is true, but Im surprised that he didnt include their belief in the superiority of the "Aryan" race, which was just as much a part of their creed as jew hating was...Maher gets alotta crap for being a zionist despite his anti-religeous views, perhaps he identifies on an ethnic level, but I for one am surprised and suspicious at this glaring ommision.
I didn't say for certain that nobody believes in it. I said "no known living" person, that's why it's generally considered a dead faith.
But besides the "no known" factor it has almost definitely died out. The efforts to syncretize the Greekoroman pantheons phased out most traditional beliefs and supplanted them with a more modern version which in turn was phased out by Christianity. It's possible one of the mystery religions is still alive but it's not very likely.
Brilliant take on religion. I was raised southern baptist. I believed it to be true. Then I grew up and became educated.
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Embassadorkingofpeac 1 month ago
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Goosemeyer 1 month ago
Yahweh and Hitler are pretty much the same: Accept me as the one true Savior or you'll suffer great torment.
The only difference...Let me get back to you on that...
ThePhantom135 2 months ago
wait... there are corrupt police and politicians in every country. that means government is bad . government is also an evil cause of war. police have beaten up people with no reason. politicians have accepted bribes and gifts. and the government covers it up.
Melodikiller 2 months ago
I generally like Bill Mahers humor and this movie was great but he, like anyone, is not right in everything.
He falls into the same folly like many sheeple in assuming that hitler and nazis were evil because, like he said, a preacher (the TV) tells them so.
No one questions why such a civilized nation with many great inventors and thinkers suddenly pounced on the Jews to want them out of their country.
" Nazi fiction...Subhuman vermin..don't deserve to live" -gross distortion the real truth
moonlightcrawler 4 months ago
@moonlightcrawler Why was it then?
JohanTW 3 months ago
He should have pointed out Hitler was deeply religious.
c0p13dn4m3 6 months ago
@c0p13dn4m3 He wasn't.
OnkelStein 3 months ago
@OnkelStein Yes, he was.
c0p13dn4m3 3 months ago
@c0p13dn4m3 No, he just used it to manipulate the masses. Anyone can see that in a Christian nation like Germany, it was important for Hitler to get them all on his side. Although he had a catholic upbringing, he said several things in his later life that would surely put him at least in the agnostic section.
OnkelStein 3 months ago
@OnkelStein I'm not saying he was Christian, I'm saying he was religious.
c0p13dn4m3 3 months ago
@c0p13dn4m3 He believed himself to be almost godlike it seems, but that is more of a narcissistic trait than anything else. But if you look at the nazi rallies they really were spiritual propagandafests in their own right
OnkelStein 3 months ago
@OnkelStein I think he was more against organized religion, but he viewed atheism as an integral part of bolshevism, and as such, he was out to destroy it. But it is true, that Hitler's religious views aren't clear.
c0p13dn4m3 3 months ago
@DaedalosBand True.
brianpadrickdrake 6 months ago
He's baked.
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great arguments! That´s how it is!
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I can see why this didn't make the cut.
00cm 7 months ago
Hitler was Christian from what I have heard.
Alecanderification 8 months ago
@Alecanderification Roman Catholic.
brianpadrickdrake 6 months ago
Maher made a real mistake in not putting this into the full movie. The scene makes an incredibly valid point against Christianity's "Well, Hitler and Stalin were atheists."
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Wouldn't *you* be?! Lol
macgeek2004 11 months ago
I like all the people in line who look to be more interested in listening to him than going in the house.
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Besides: Hitler was catholic and wrote in his book "Mein Kampf" that he did god's work.
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@boomtao Goebbels notes in a diary entry in 1939 a conversation in which Hitler had "expressed his revulsion against Christianity. He wished that the time were ripe for him to be able to openly express that. Christianity had corrupted and infected the entire world of antiquity."
draken87 1 year ago
@boomtao Albert Speer reports in his memoirs of a similar statement made by Hitler: "You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"
draken87 1 year ago
@draken87 -- On top of it all, we are leaving out the role that the vatican played in WWII and the extermination of jews. It is so dirty and so guilty that I am truly amazed that it has not been officially labeled as a criminal organization and that it hasn't been locked down. It goes to show you that religion can get away with everything: mass-murder, child-rape, fascism, tax-evasion, theft, hate-mongering, money-laundering and -of course- lies!
boomtao 1 year ago
@boomtao We were discussing Hitlers personal beliefs not the role of the Catholic church. Publicly he said, hey I believe (as you said about Mein Kampf), but that does not make him an actual believer, in privat conversations with his followers he frowned on Christianity.
draken87 1 year ago
@draken87 Aside from the fact you can''t prove that, there is no real point behind proving it. You're talking nonsense.
zofspade 9 months ago
@zofspade beside the fact that Hitler told this to Albert Speer and Goebbels, who wrote it in his diary, which still exists today, yeah right you cant prove that .......*irony off*
draken87 9 months ago
@draken87 Still nonsense (way to not address my actual statement). You should try turning your computer off.
zofspade 9 months ago
@zofspade plz learn how to win an argument without saying "thats nonsense", its a matter of growing up
draken87 9 months ago
@draken87 ...and you're still avoiding my actual point. You really suck at this. Seriously, go read my original statement and try to addressing it. Proving the Hitler was an atheist proves absolutely nothing about the nature of atheism.
Also, you have only cited instances where he insulted religion, nothing about the existence of god. Try again (and learn how to type out "please", douchebag).
You hear that sound? That taps on the keyboard? That's me winning this argument.
zofspade 9 months ago
@zofspade i never wanted to prove anything about atheism^^, i just said he wasnt christian. You dont get this right? i just gave you facts and you try to see them the way you want to see them, period.
draken87 9 months ago
@draken87 Since its up for debate, it isn't a fact. This means you have some point behind "proving" this. Or, you're just a douchebag. Either, it's still nonsense.
zofspade 9 months ago
@zofspade Diary entries from leading nazis who were very close to Hitler are facts. I never discussed whether Hitler was an atheist or not, and frankly i dont care because it does not really make a difference. It ist just a fact that he didnt have very favorable views of Christianity, he just used it at public occasions in order to persue his own goals. This is not up for debate it is simply a fact. Read the arguments more thoroughly before saying "nonsense", please.
draken87 9 months ago
@draken87 Oh, god, you spelled out "please". That's all I really wanted.
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draken87 9 months ago
@draken87
Quoting people is a sign of defeat.
- Abraham Lincoln
zofspade 9 months ago
@zofspade this is useless you are too ignorant for a debate because you just want to stick to your view. you dont accept valid arguments therefore the quotation suits you quite well. Before you enter a discussion deal with the topic at least a little bit, even if it is just youtube.
draken87 9 months ago
@draken87 Nope, ignorance has nothing to do with accepting valid arguments. Both of you are using it wrong.
Ignorant:
lacking in knowledge or training
zofspade 9 months ago
@zofspade
great, you really know how to make a point:
It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument.
William G. McAdoo
draken87 9 months ago
@draken87 That quote is not as clever as you think it is. Mainly because he's using the word "ignorant" wrong. Oh, well, keep using it.
zofspade 9 months ago
@zofspade no it is used just right because it means not knowing or ignoring knowledge
draken87 9 months ago
@draken87 It means a lack of knowledge. It has nothing to do with "sticking with your view" or being stubborn. Don't be fooled by its root word.
zofspade 9 months ago
@zofspade ignorant means more, it also might mean willingly ignoring knowledge, which you did because you did not even try to make a point you just kept saying it is nonsense. You ignored the quotes from Goebbels and Speer, two of Hitler's closest acquaintances.
draken87 9 months ago
@draken87 No, it doesn't. You are ignorant of the definition. See? That's the right use. And no, I didn't ignore those quotes. I'm skeptical of the small amount of evidence.
zofspade 9 months ago
@zofspade ok this is pointless, stick to your narrow definition of the word if you want to be skeptical it is better to have at least some argument - just saying "nonsense" does not seem skeptical but you know .... not really participating since i did not feel i discussed with you at all, i basically listed some argumentents and you just kept saying no no no no ..., thats a great way to have an opinon, true
draken87 9 months ago
@draken87 I didn't say the quotes were nonsense. I also never said "no" to your argument. Try reading. And at least I'm not making up definitions of words.
zofspade 9 months ago
@zofspade well saying nonsense is almost the same as saying no, it is just more offensiv + the "douchebag" thing.... well thats it for me, good bye zofspade
draken87 9 months ago
Anne Frank House is real depressing to visit. But very interesting. Amsterdam is very cool. (with out all the seedy bullshit)
ryanb113n 1 year ago
Probably Maher's most concise statement. I wonder why it was in the "extras" rather than the main movie.
TheStrong32 1 year ago 10
Hilter proclaimed himself a christian numerous times, in speeches and in Mein Kampf. SS soldiers wore belt buckles that said "gott mit uns" (god is with us)
loner1878 1 year ago
@loner1878 Goebbels notes in a diary entry in 1939 a conversation in which Hitler had "expressed his revulsion against Christianity. He wished that the time were ripe for him to be able to openly express that. Christianity had corrupted and infected the entire world of antiquity."
draken87 1 year ago
@draken87
Really doesn't prove anything besides that Hitler had some conflicting views.
loner1878 1 year ago
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@mcmorma
sad little man
Zuurkool1 1 year ago
@mcmorma Eat jew shit and die cunt.
TickleMehNancy 1 year ago
@mcmorma Oh how immature you are. Everyone sucks trust me. If you haven't figured that out then you haven't experienced enough. Hate EVERYONE they are all a bunch of cunts.
TickleMehNancy 1 year ago
@DaedalosBand Comments like this show why I am applying for asylum to countries in Western Europe. In North America hate for Transsexuals is so rampant, unremitting, and unrepentant that sexually molesting a Transsexual is legal and intimating them or beating them is even encouraged by the local authorities.
janetmerner 1 year ago
@janetmerner, Did you just say sexually molesting a transsexual is legal in North America? That is absurd and stupid. And what "authorities" encourages beating and "intimating them"? (i think you mean intimidating?) If you haven't noticed, Americans are violent too everybody. We have churches on every street all teaching the ignorance fueled hatred of people 2000 years ago. If you're not transsexual, people will find another reason to hate you. Because here, we are all equal. god bless america
evilsinzy 1 year ago
@evilsinzy North Americans are evil I am asking for medically assisted suicide as a last resort to get out of Canada here is a comment on the video:
RevilerRedNigga
3 hours ago
Not Passable. You deserve no human rights... but I'll bet my ***** Daryl Washington would still hit 'dat old white man ***!
XD
End of Comment
He is from Florida in The USA. Most North Americans are like him or support people like him, including the courts and politicians.
janetmerner 1 year ago
@janetmerner
So its okay for you to be prejudice against all 300,000,000 North Americans because of one asshole child, but it isn't okay for him to be prejudice against transsexuals? As fate would have it, I grew up in Florida and now I live a few hours from Canada. If you want people to see you for who you are, then do the same. You've grouped me in with whatever moron wrote that message simply because I live on the same continent. Visit Saudi Arabia and then tell me how bad we Americans are.
evilsinzy 1 year ago
@evilsinzy You wrote to me not him. You are just as prejudiced, you just let other people talk for you, even when you disagree. As long as their are people like you or him, I have the right to be prejudiced back. If you disagree with him right him telling me I don't have the right to be prejudiced against people that are part of the same system of intolerance is nonsense. You are either the solution or the problem.
janetmerner 1 year ago
@janetmerner
You're not making any sense. I never let anybody speak for me. It is you that is allowing some idiot to speak for 300 million people. My point is that you're just full of shit. Nothing you've said is true. You used a conversation with some ignorant child to represent the other 300 million people. Its fine for simple conversation, but your talking about major conspiracies. There isn't enough transsexuals for anybody to even have an opinion. They are too busy hating democrats.
evilsinzy 1 year ago
<3 anne frank. Love her more now tha she finally denounced her affiliation with Christianity! Woohoo.
LikMyFace 1 year ago
The Academy owes him an Oscar!
militarykingsc3 1 year ago
There is right wing Fascism (Hitler) AND left wing Fascism (Stalin)
thetacosguy 1 year ago
Bill Maher missed one other point, Christianity was the direct cause of the Holocaust. Christianity taught that the Jews rejected and murdered their god.
patrickthesaint 1 year ago
Robespierre was not an atheist. He executed Christians among others, but he was a believer who was following the word of the Almighty.
mistacramer 1 year ago
Thankyou so much for uploading this and the other extras. The DVD only just came out in Australia, four days ago, I had been waiting with baited breath for ages as we didn’t get it in cinemas either. But The DVD I bought has no special features or extras, this is great thanks a lot.
REELmonkeys 1 year ago
Hey, don't knock Valhalla, Maher. It's a pretty sweet way to spend your days (until Ragnarok).
Bluehawk2008 2 years ago 3
Bill is way of here. the problem in every example he names is human nature, not religion. human beings are inherently greedy and power hungry and that has had a huge effect on human history. trying to blame religion for that is like trying to blame the use of cars for the deaths caused by drunk driving. i like Bill, but on religion and on Maxine Watters and B. Frank, his ignorance disappoints me. howvere, i still watch his show... religiously
Kafka1479 2 years ago
thumbs down for the pun
PrinceOfSpane 2 years ago
this stuff should've been in the movie.
BenjaminLaird 2 years ago 3
Because he said so in the film. He said that religion will destroy us all, and we must get rid of it. He completely ignores the fact that anti-religion has been far more destructive.
And yes, France has had violence over religion. Haven't you heard of the Reign of Terror? Robespierre and St. Juste ordered many people sent to the guillotine simply because they were Christians.
If we get rid of religion, we will have a complete cultural vacuity, much as what has happened in Northern Europe.
loqutor 2 years ago
yeah, not agreeing wiith vegitoth, he would prefer a world with no religion, that's obvious.
And yes, France did have a lot of violence around that time. It also had a lot of violence during the Protestant Reformation, when Protestants and Catholics butchered each other. Of course I can give all the usual suspects, the Crusades etc, to point out that religion does NOT prevent violence.
Looking at France now, it is predominantly atheist and nowhere near as volatile. Compare with Middle East.
PrinceOfSpane 2 years ago
What is that "banality of evil" all about ?
kolkrabe19 2 years ago
But it always does, and that has happened in Sweden. The government there regulates practically everything.
loqutor 2 years ago
Bill obviously can't connect the dots here. It's quite apparent that he made Religulous to try and wipe out religion from the earth, but he should see that religion is an inevitability. In the case of Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union, what came forth was much the same as the ancient pagan states: State-worship.
Whenever a society has tried to purge itself of religion, it has ended up not with the glorious utopia it hoped for, but a bloody tyranny. Just ask the French Revolutionaries.
loqutor 2 years ago
Hitler believed he could what he did because of God. He had the same sick belief about Jews that Christian Crusaders had more than a millenia before. The Catholic Church decided not to speak up against it from the Pope on down at the time (there were some brave priests that did though). One can assume they did not speak out against for fear of retaliation against the Church.
That's my problem with organized religion - the institution of the faith becomes more important than the faith itself.
DisturbedHavok 2 years ago
He was not a Christian. His God-talk was all propaganda. In private, he said that Christianity was the worst thing to ever happen to humanity, and it, like Bolshevism, was a Jewish invention.
What good would the Pope's speaking out have done? Would Hitler have never invaded Poland? And what else could he have done? Struck North Africa with the mighty Vatican infantry? Oh, I know, he could have sent in the Vatican Air Force to bomb Berlin!
loqutor 2 years ago
Whether Hitler was Christian or not, he still used Christianity as a tool to help acheive his aims, as he used fascism, both have gained their entire power structure from emotional manipulation and baseless lies. I wonder how many preachers and con men have also not believed what they were spouting?
On an admittedly less certain note, just throwing it out there, the Pope's meek compliance and refusal to speak out probably gave a lot of legitimacy to what Hitler was doing.
PrinceOfSpane 2 years ago
Religulous was a great film. The ones who rail against it are oftentimes butthurt religious folks who can't accept the fact that they're, at least in part, mentally ill for believing in this crap without evidence and acting like it's EVERYTHING.
whoo689 2 years ago 5
@whoo689 True. And I speak as an ex-butthurt religious folk. Not very religious mind. But enough to make me feel butthurt when seeing stuff like this. (Btw, now - love it. Well, apart from the scary bits) ;D
PrinceOfSpane 2 years ago
Ah, maybe.
Shouldve just photoshopped him out.
hehehe
weavehole 2 years ago
Question: Why?
Answer: Because America's Founding Fathers believed that government should be controlled through a series of checks and balances and that individuals were endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights. Which they outlined in the constitution and bill of rights.
Bill Maher is the farthest thing from a genius.
ab1tchslap 2 years ago
Question: Who else was religious?
Answer: The Founding Fathers of America.
Question: Have millions of people been killed by some crazy religious demagogue throughout the 200+ years that this republic has been in existence?
Answer: No.
ab1tchslap 2 years ago
Large fractions of the principal Founding Fathers, including Jefferson (Author of the Declaration of Independence), Madison ("Father of the Constitution"), Franklin (on $100 bill), et al were neither Christian nor religious. You are just outright wrong and uninformed.
DUBsays 2 years ago
To answer the second question, yes, millions have been killed by some "crazy religious demagogue" since 1776. Look to the Armenian genocide for one example.
And many millions had been killed by numerous "crazy religious demagogues" prior to 1776.
You are arbitrarily inserting a time frame.
DUBsays 2 years ago
Also, whilst some were religious, if not fundamentally, I think secularism (ie seperation of church and state) was a big thing then. Not so much now it seems.
PrinceOfSpane 2 years ago
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@ab1tchslap what about the indians?
orgasmatron1977m 1 year ago
If Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, Fidel Castro, Pol Pot and the many other countless psychopaths that were granted dictatorial powers through the medium of socialism, were not granted such power, many millions would be alive today.
Lets all put our thinking caps on for a moment and think...
ab1tchslap 2 years ago
First, Hitler was vehemently against socialism and communism. And atheism.
Second, you missed the point. Big C communism was not based on atheism, it was coincidently atheist. It was State-ism, and enforced worship of the state and leader. They didn't kill in the name of atheism, they killed in the name of strict, unquestioning obedience, just as the Church did in the name of God and Jesus according to the Bible in the Crusades, Inquisition, etc.
DUBsays 2 years ago
Okay... now your telling me that Hitler who was the leader of the National Socialist German Worker's Party was not a socialist. Sure.
Regardless of whether Hitler belonged to a cult or religion he was a demagogue who was able to exercise dictatorial powers. Point is It was the form of government not religion that was most responsible. Without dictatorial powers Hitler would not have been able to carry out his "Final Solution" and kill millions of innocent. Correct me if I am wrong.
ab1tchslap 2 years ago
That is exactly what I'm "telling you". Just because the word "socialist" was in their title, doesn't mean they are socialists. When you say "socialist" you are alluding to socialism, which is a distinct political system with distinct stances. Socialism is on the left of the political spectrum, Nazis were extreme right-wing. Socialism endorses NO class system, Nazis relied on class systems. This is simple political theory, here. Hitler was against Socialism.
DUBsays 2 years ago
What are you, stupid or something? Nazis were extreme left wing. Left wing means more government control. If you don't think the nazi governemnt was controlling then you need to get your head examined. Anarchy is extreme right wing. An authoritarian government is extreme left wing.
ab1tchslap 2 years ago
Nazism isn't monolithic but it was essentially right wing. By your definition of Right/Left as desire for gov't control (ie big/little gov't), are you suggesting that Nazis did NOT want gov't control?! The fact that the gov't was "controlling" is neither here nor there.
Nazism wasn't progressive or liberal, it was fascist and conservative. It had an official religion and social order. It was everything left wing politics and socialism aren't.
DUBsays 2 years ago
The Nazi government had a lot of control, in case you didn't notice, which makes them left wing.
Liberal just means that you want to change what is already in place, and conservative just means that you want to keep what we already have. I'm pretty sure the killing of jews was a new policy, which means the Nazis were liberal left wing facists.
ab1tchslap 2 years ago
Right-wing = support for preserving traditional/ cultural values/customs and maintaining some form of social hierarchy.
Left-wing = support for changing traditional social orders and creating a more egalitarian distribution of wealth/privilege.
Which sounds like Hitler? Socialism is the absence of social order.
You are correct about the terms liberal/conservative, as they can change with the status quo.
DUBsays 2 years ago
But KILLING JEWS WAS NOT NEW!!
Christians (and Muslims) had been doing so for more than 1,000 years before Hitler. And Hitler didn't only kill Jews, he killed many other groups, notably communists. Strange thing for a socialist to do.
Nazis aimed at preserving a Christian Germany for Christian Germans. Preservation is not liberal or progressive.
DUBsays 2 years ago
Putting jews in concentration camps and killing them was new to germany before the Nazis wasn't it? It doesn't have to be completely new to the world for it to be liberal.
ab1tchslap 2 years ago
PMSL! Nazis were extreme left wing?! jesus christ, it's called fascism...
PrinceOfSpane 2 years ago
fascism is left wing.
ab1tchslap 2 years ago
@ab1tchslap
Fascism is neither. you can apply it to both sides. (and what ever you do, don't read the first paragraph on the fascism Wikipedia artical, lol)
badATchaos 2 years ago
While Nazism was absolutely a totalitarian gov't, I can't agree that religion wasn't responsible. Hitler was elected and played on teh emotions of Germans. He heavily utilized Christianity as a foundation for what he was doing.
When most people think of Hitler and Nazis, they immediately think of genocide against Jews. Well, the Christian church (Catholic and Protestant) had a long history of persecution against the Jews. Hitler wasn't doing anything new here.
DUBsays 2 years ago
Hitler lost the election. Hitler's dictitorial powers allowed him to do what he was doing, not christianity.
ab1tchslap 2 years ago
Hitler wasn't elected chancellor, he was appointed such, then usurped Presidential power.
But the power was sustained by an 85% vote in a plebiscite held in August 1934. And that's 85% of voting German citizens. I think "elected" will suffice in general terms, even if semantically incorrect.
Again, authoritarians are right-wing, if arguing his dictatorial status. Socialists are against class systems; a dictator is at the head of a class system. You have your political terminology confused.
DUBsays 2 years ago
Hitler was guaranteed those dictatorial powers by popular vote of Germans. He influenced their cote with a heavy dose of religiosity.
He didn't seize power against the will of German citizenry.
DUBsays 2 years ago
"venomous beasts, vipers, disgusting scum, canders, devils incarnate. Their private houses must be destroyed and devastated, they could be lodged in stables. Let the magistrates burn their synagogues and let whatever escapes be covered with sand and mud. Let them force to work, and if this avails nothing, we will be compelled to expel them like dogs in order not to expose ourselves to incurring divine wrath and eternal damnation from the Jews and their lies." - German Christian Martin Luther
DUBsays 2 years ago
Hitler was clearly a leftist. You have the government spectrum confused. The extreme right is anarchy and the extreme left is totolitarian dictatorship. Hear it straight from the horse's mouth:
"A powerful national government may encroach considerably upon the liberty of individuals as well as of the different States, and assume the responsibility for it, without weakening the Empire Idea, if only every citizen recognizes such measures as means for making his nation greater." - Adolf Hitler
ab1tchslap 2 years ago
Hitler was not a leftist. Common mistake, mainly due to the fact that Hitler hid behind the term Socialist, which is part of the word "Nazi" in an effort to appear populist. Socialism requires worker ownership and control of the means of production, and such was not the case in Nazi Germany. Further, Fascism (and Authoritarianism in general) is of the right (politically).
It must suck to rail against liberals as Nazis and Fascists while actually being aligned with those terms more oneself.
baronmorris 2 years ago
Facism and Authoritarianism are of the left politically because they require a very powerful government. The right wing is for small government. Anarchy is the extreme for the right.
ab1tchslap 2 years ago
"Hitler's political beliefs place him almost always on the far right. He advocated racism over racial tolerance, eugenics over freedom of reproduction, merit over equality, competition over cooperation, power politics and militarism over pacifism, dictatorship over democracy, capitalism over Marxism, realism over idealism, nationalism over internationalism, exclusiveness over inclusiveness, common sense over theory or science, pragmatism over principle [&was friendly w/ Church tho an atheist]"
baronmorris 2 years ago
SORRY, but u have arranged ur political continuum along a false axis, so to speak.
It is not primarily the SIZE of government that determines whether something is politically LEFT or RIGHT. Fundamentally, The Left is progressive, welcoming social change, & the Right is reactionary, preserving the status quo social order.
Pls see wikipedia. org/wiki/Left-right_politics
or call a local Poli Sci Professor & ask to have it explained,
but pls quit spreading outright misinformation & lies.
PEACE
baronmorris 2 years ago
"In modern political rhetoric, those on the Left typically emphasize their support of working people and accuse the Right of supporting the interests of the upper class, whereas those on the Right usually emphasize their support of individualism and accuse the Left of supporting collectivism. Thus, arguments about the way the words should be used often displace arguments about policy by raising emotional prejudice against a preconceived notion of what left and right mean."
baronmorris 2 years ago
"Originally, the defining point on the ideological spectrum were attitudes towards the ancien régime (old order). "The Right" implied support for aristocratic, royal & clerical interests, while "The Left" implied support for republicanism, secularism & civil liberties... The earlier "left-wing" politicians were advocates of laissez faire capitalism & the "right-wing" politicians opposed it, until early 19thcentury when anti-capitalism gained favour among the leftists due to rise of socialism."
baronmorris 2 years ago
You're thinking of conservative and liberal. Conservatives want to preserve the status quo and liberals want to change it. The founding fathers were called liberal because they wanted to make a change, but they weren't left wing since they wanted more freedom for the people and less government control. Now they would be considered right wing conservatives. It doesn't really matter though. I'd rather talk about ideologies than what categories they fall under. What difference does it make?
ab1tchslap 2 years ago
"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism." -Vladimir Lenin
Notice that Bill Maher completely fails to recognize that every one of those "religious people" that he mentioned were all socialist dictators. The variable that is most responsible for the deaths of millions is clearly Socialism in this equation.
ab1tchslap 2 years ago
I mean that no nation's census has ever reported a Greek polytheist and no major work has been published in the past thousand years in relation to A-Greek theology as a contemporary faith.
1 The Roman govt sought to unify faiths and writers such as Ovid wrote The Metamorphoses
2 Roman synchretism supplanted Greek polytheism almost universally
3 Overtime, the Greek polytheism was replaced in the minds of individuals with Roman synchretism and eventually it was all replaced by Christianity.
Sardonac 2 years ago
at 2:05 he describes the Nazi theology, by saying that they preached that jews were inhuman, which is true, but Im surprised that he didnt include their belief in the superiority of the "Aryan" race, which was just as much a part of their creed as jew hating was...Maher gets alotta crap for being a zionist despite his anti-religeous views, perhaps he identifies on an ethnic level, but I for one am surprised and suspicious at this glaring ommision.
Schweatyballs89 2 years ago
I think Bill is stretching it a bit but there is some merit to his words.
JosedGeminis 2 years ago
I didn't say for certain that nobody believes in it. I said "no known living" person, that's why it's generally considered a dead faith.
But besides the "no known" factor it has almost definitely died out. The efforts to syncretize the Greekoroman pantheons phased out most traditional beliefs and supplanted them with a more modern version which in turn was phased out by Christianity. It's possible one of the mystery religions is still alive but it's not very likely.
Sardonac 2 years ago
Well no known living person subscribes to it so I guess it's "debunked."
Sardonac 2 years ago
That was very moving. Wonder why it wasnt in the film.
weavehole 2 years ago
These parts are so good. Some more of them should have made it into the movie...
tyli1989 2 years ago
thanaks for uploading the extra scenes
prki0 2 years ago 2