Im sorry, but the TRUTH is these people WERE NEVER ESTABLISHED AS A NATION. Never. Occupied? They have been under occupation since day one. Lets look at the historical background. Before Israels so called occupation it was Britain. Before that the Ottomans. Too many unrecognized kingdoms to mention. Lets dip further back. Rome, via Greece, via Persia, via Babylon, via Assyria via Syria. Getting the picture? They didnt fight against these occupations they bent over and assimilated.(contabove)
The point of DEMOCRACY (demoCRAZY) in Israel WAS NEVER intended to create a mini America based on your ideas in YOUR constitution. So Americans who think they would like to have it so can BACK OFF and start considering your own problems at home. You created your nation and you, yes YOU went to the balot boxes and voted in your elect based on your being stirred by charasmatic speeches. Look at you now. The masses are wrong as usual. A jewish state (soveregn) to make her own policies.
@SCORNDOGGMELACH Define illegal occupation. Is that anything like the illegal invasion of Kuwait that was illegally established in the first place.Or maybe its like the illegal invasion of Iraq when Bush told the press openly that certainly he would be attentive to the senate and listen to the U.N.advsory but believed HE DID NOT NEED PERMISSION.Wake up.You think you have a voice?Nations are established by blood and force.The high ideals sold to the public is simply a matter of feeding the dogs
So he read the koran? Israel is mentioned in the koran many times. He says zero times... This guy is zero to me. All people are equal, peace to everyone.
@SCORNDOGGMELACH Point #1) I do not argue how and why Jews have a connection to Palestine, in which they created the state of Israel. My argument is whether or not they have a legal claim to the West Bank, Golan Heights and Gaza by way of the blockade. This land was acquired by war in 1967 and therefore inadmissible, irregardless of who was attacked first, according to international law / norms. Cont.>>>>>>
@SCORNDOGGMELACH Point #2)You would never know if withdrawing to the 1967 lines would have brought about peace, since Israel has never fully withdrawn from those territories. The Camp David offer in 2000, was not one that would have given 93% of the West Bank, as it did not account for the Jewish only roads that criss crossed the West Bank and essentially left a bunch of bantustans for a Palestinian "state". Cont.>>>>>>>
@SCORNDOGGMELACH Point #2) Continued, Building illegal settlements in the West Bank is a unilateral move that has been undertaken without any regard for what the implications on a future Palestinian state. This could be perceived as evidence that Israel never intended for there to be a contiguous Palestinian state. Point #3) Demanding that illegal settlements be stopped, is not an unreasonable precondition to peace talks. This request has been echoed by the entire international community.
@steute2011 iTS Been no secret that Israerl frowns on a Palestinian state,but it does however seem that the secret and outright joke on the international community is that A PALESTINIAN STATE WILL NOT EVEN IF GRANTED BRING PEACE.Surprizingly it seems to have escaped the international comm's notice that Israel(Perez)stated openly that they dont want Gaza.In fact the interest in Gaza is more about a secure border and security from missle strikes.A new state WILL NOT STOP TERROR.VISIT THEN TALK
@SCORNDOGGMELACH A Palestinian state through the UN, will not bring about peace, especially if Israel does not immediately pull out of the territories after such a fact were to be established. This is not the purpose of the move by the Palestinians, but rather to bring about the end of the illegal occupation. If Israel were to continue the illegal occupation of a sovereign UN member state, then the stakes for Israel are increased dramatically. Cont.>>>
@sSCORNDOGGMELACH First there would be a political fallout for Israel with many important member states, who will begin cutting ties with Israel, i.e. isolation. Then you are looking at sanctions and finally a possibility that Israels biggest ally (US) will be forced to abandon Israel. If you think a UN recognized Palestinian state is of no consequence to Israel, you only need to look at the way they are scrambling to defeat this move.
@steute2011 Do you really believe that? How naive can you get? THAT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN. Besides Israel already knows whats coming down the pipe. Money is just as green as ever. Israel is making economic ties with nations the globe would have never guessed at. Austria ,Switzerland and a host of eastern European countries once known as the bad Europe. They woke up while The West slept on Muslim immigration. The uprisings you are reading about will culminate and focus its energy on Israel. WATCH
@SCORNDOGGMELACH It has to. Your not here. Look to your own back yard and while your at it consider yourself lucky. The support will be there but it will be bound ecconomically NOT EMMOTIONALLY by arm chair critics. This is why finance is leaned upon so hard. The Jew knows mans personal interest will always cause him to side step his oppinions. Israel doesnt need your moral, emmotional, or religious support. And the sick truth is America cant AFFORD to abandon Israel. iSRAEL CAN. MISSED THAT?
@SCORNDOGGMELACH Your comments regarding the relationship between the US and Israel are absurd, to say the least. What you do not know, is that the US has made nations in the past and has also broken them down. I can imagine what backwards logic you have used to conclude that the US can not afford to abandon Israel? By my calculations we would save 3 billion a year and we get our politicians back from AIPAC. If Israel continues down it's current path, you will all be nomads soon.
@steute2011 Nomads huh. If that were the case THIS TIME AROUND, THE U.S. would soon live to regret it . Not because of any threats of retaliation but simply by a clearer picture of who your REAL ENEMIES ARE. And as for my belief in an invincible Israel, it is irrelevant to this discusion. My comment had nothing to do with a belief in Israels military capacity or middle eastern superiority. No. Nor was it referring to finance. No. Under present conditions Israel could sink or swim. (contabove)
@SCORNDOGGMELACH I think that we have gone in the wrong direction with this debate, so I am going to try a different approach. Contrary to what you probably think, I am not anti-Israel or antisemitic. I actually am quite fond of the Jewish people and there endless contributions to man kind. I would love nothing more than to see Israel continue to flourish, but here's the key...Within the 1967 borders. I am anti-occupation and everything that comes with it. Cont.>>>>>>>
@SCORNDOGGMELACH My frustration is watching an extremely right wing government continue to alienate the international community. I know that there are legitimate security concerns for Israel and it will be difficult to find a amicable solution for both sides. However, the Jewish people have some of the greatest minds in the world and must use it to find a just resolution that will bring the international community on board.
@steute2011 Well, on that note I will have to acknowledge the fact that I can appreciate the efforts of one willing to speak openly and honestly about his\her point of veiw concerning this troubling situation. But just as the Global community feels that Israel needs to arrive at acknowlegement herself, she also wishes the same on fundemental truths being swept aside as irrelevant. JORDAN! FOR EXAMPLE. The infiltration of Islam into the West. Squandered funding for Palestine. Missle attacks. etc
@SCORNDOGGMELACH I do not believe any rational person would deny that there are some extremely troubling aspects of the Islamic faith and the ability of those Islamic leaders to use their resources wisely. My concern is that Islamophobia, then leads people to forget a very basic principle, which is that all Muslims are not this way and therefore collective punishment is inappropriate. I am not sure what you mean by Jordan, may I ask if you would clarify for me?
@steute2011 Im going to play Devils advocate here and ask a question. Dont be offended. Step up. Why are you quite fond of the Jewish people? If your answers have anything to do with the entertainment industry, or lamentation over the holocaust , do you really think your fondness sits on anything ethical. I mean really, what are the Jewish people to you? And when you have answered that question, please define occupation while explaining why you smell something criminal.
@SCORNDOGGMELACH My fondness of the Jewish people stems from several reasons. My perception is of a people that have overcome great odds throughout history to accomplish a great many things, most important of which, was the creation of their own state Israel. They have contributed some of the most important scientific discoveries in the history of man kind. They continue to be innovators in the fields of technology and medicine. Cont.>>>>
@SCORNDOGGMELACH Beyond the accomplishments, my personal experience with Jewish people have been extremely positive and I always walked away having learned something, which is why I believe that Jewish people are innately smart. Jewish people to me are an example of what can be accomplished, even when the deck is stacked against you. Lastly my mother-in-law makes a great matzah ball soup. Con.>>>
@SCORNDOGGMELACH My definition of occupation as it pertains to the conflict, is the forcible control of territory to which you are not the internationally recognized sovereign. Admittedly, my definition may fall short or maybe not even be close to the one given in the dictionary. However, it is based on my limited knowledge and understanding of international law / norms. I believe that this also answers the second part of your question.
@steute2011 So, in that sense this is not about Israels historical roots to the Land for you but it was simply an international handout granted by the world in 48? Is my response too much like putting words in your mouth? Do you in expanding upon this, for example recognize that in 70 A.D. Israels 2nd common wealth had come to a close when Italy (ROME) expelled them to the 4 corners of tyhe Earth? A commonwealth, I might add that had NOTHING to do with international support what so ever.
@steute2011 When the non Jews, assimilators, half breeds, and nomads of Palestine,(which was a Roman(latin) word imposed to describe a territory ,NOT A PEOPLE WERE invaded by Muhammad and Ali and the sword or Islam was offered, whose territory was it ?Palestinians. No such thing. It was the Arabs as in Arabians.WHAT INTERNATIONAL OPINION WAS CONSIDERED THEN? These people have been under subjugation since long before Islam came into being. What was Aramaic? Who were the Assyrians and the Syrians?
@steute2011 What Im getting at is simply this. What in Gods name, other than a lack of knowlege concerning the history of this area, Antisemetism and depletion of discernment from an outside point of veiw, does the modern Global community feel it posesses in justifying the (so called) Palestinians ownership of this land? What can be said? They have lived there for generations? Jews have lived in multiple countries for over three milenium, but do they make any claims on those lands?
@SCORNDOGGMELACH Wow, pretty impressive bit of articulation my friend. I must say very compelling argument. I believe the first part where you did in fact put some words in my mouth, but I took as playful sarcasm. I never said it was a handout in 1948 and certainly not what I was suggesting. I believe it was a carefully crafted and well thought out process of the Zionist movement. You have given me a new view on this which I would like to research. Any sources you want to share?
@steute2011 There is an old expression in the Talmud. (And no Im not going to get into religion on ya) The Jew must push with one hand and pull with the other. Actually this verse is in reference to the attitude of Rabbis towards converts. And no, Im not even hinting at that. But I think this suggest much. I am aware of what you DIDNT say and wont claim to KNOW what you THINK. However, I wonder if you are aware of what your really saying when you suggest that occupation is defined(contabove)
@steute2011 by movements of force in land not internationally recognized as sovereign?( not your words I know) Look deeper into your statement. Who and what determines Sovereignty? Really. WHO AND WHAT? What is the currancy for freedom and the establishment of a nation, AND WHY IN GODS NAME IS ISRAEL LOOKED UPON DIFFERENTLY WHEN SHE DOES THE SAME? Do you think the Zionist movement as you call it, was something new and created by Hertzel? LOL or Cry in pain. Dont know which.
@SCORNDOGGMELACH O.K., now you have done it. I have to pause under your last question. Why? Because by answering yes or no I would still be telling you the truth. And no, Im not trying to confuze or deceive you. This reception on your part will reveal more about you and how you think (as a thinker, lol) than it will about me or Jewish people in answering your question. If I have already lost you, understand that it IS NOT MY INTENTION nor is it MY FAULT. Do YOU understand? Such (contabove)
@SCORNDOGGMELACH I am extremely conflicted right now and you are not making it any better. Give me a break, I am obviously not as seasoned as you. So be patient with me. I am always willing to learn and I appreciate what you have shared with me so far. Your questions are valid, but I don't have the answers. I honestly have been just working off of the information from sources like the UN, all HR orgs and Haaretz (my favorite site for Israeli news). Speaking of..what about that new boycott law?
@steute2011 O.K, look. You have already asked about so many things without me answering. No wonder your conflicted. One at a time, before the next one. THATS HOW i ROLE. LOL. Im not so seasoned but I continue to learn. Its a process not a conclusion. As for the boycott Im not sure what you are referring to. I havent even had time to eat or read all my E-mails.Maybe you would like to share. I just wanted to give you a feel for my mindset in enguaging in this talk. Hope I was sucessful. After you.
@SCORNDOGGMELACH I realize I ask many questions and I apologize. Perhaps when you have a chance you will check out the new boycott law passed in Israel on Monday. It is now illegal to boycott Israel or the settlements, which seems to be a bit contrary to democracy. The law apparently goes a step further, in that it does not require the plaintiff to prove damages, but rather the potential for damages due to any boycott action by the defendant. Would love to know your thoughts.
@steute2011 Thier acceptance of Muslim(Arabic) rule was and has been just another example of how they and thier decendants were absorbed into the various powers and movements that have washed over them. THATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEM AND THE JEWISH PEOPLE.ON THAT NOTE ,THE JEWISH PEOPLE AND THE WORLD. GET ME? They will not be dictated to by the international community in thier heart of hearts. WHY SHOULD THEY? IS ISRAEL IN FACT A POSSESSION OF THE GLOBAL COMMUNITY? ANYONE....ANYONE.....ANYONE
@SCORNDOGGMELACH What do you say to the thousands of Israeli Jews and Jews abroad whom actively oppose the occupation and settlements? I need to ask one question regarding the information earlier about the history, does any of the history you have referred to come from Biblical scripture?
@steute2011 discussions in attempts to understand take time. Time that you have demonstrated is worth it. I THINK but do not CLAIM to know that you can appreciate this. I want you to know that I DO NOT CLAIM to be a spokesperson for the Jewish people but I recognize the importance of open dialogue. Especially NOW! Understand this. You have openly asked many GREAT QUESTIONS. But the fact that you missed the Jordan reference makes me wonder just how much you are aware of. This is not(contabove)
@steute2011 to your shame or disgrace. Please dont get me wrong. If your willing, stick it out with me and I will struggle to share what I have come to understand as you struggle to listen. It will take time. Are you willing? But understand also there may be a point that we arrive at an impass as it will come down to fundemental exploration of CORE BELIEFS. That is to say, it may get very personal . Not so personal that we expose ourselves outside of our You tube membership you understand.
@SCORNDOGGMELACH You seem to have a great sense of humor on top of being a word craftsman. I completely understand your position, which I share. At this point I just feel like there is much to be learned here. I will say, you sometimes seem to be on an emotional roller coaster when you are writing, thus the partial sentences in caps? Have good night or day depending on where you are.
@steute2011 its simply up to her. However the straw that breaks the camels back would not be simply continuing on her present course. Obama will simply continue to scold to please the int community, while infact he will continue to understand the (seemingly) sick situation must be maintained. The real culprits simply are not exposed on the Global stage. This conflict is being fed by TRUE evil, yet the Jewish people will continue to be proped up as the offenders. Why? WHY NOT? This(contabove)
@steute2011 system has worked like a well oiled machine. These global Kingpins do not care where the preasure is established and (give you a hint) 'care not who rules' Even your President bends to thier will. The world is sitting under a grande delusion. But the truth is far more frightening and earth shattering than most would ever be able to accept as anything more than just another (oh so popular) conspiracy theory.AS FOR ME, MY HEART IS WITH THE 1 TRUE GOD OF ISRAEL. Farewell Tyre.(metaphore
@SCORNDOGGMELACH I guess you believe Israel will be able to buy it's way out of everything and never have to conform to any international law that doesn't suit it's agenda? BTW, if money is green as ever in Israel, can you tell them to stop accepting my tax dollars? Sounds like Israel is ready to take on the world? Good luck, and let's just hope they don't piss off the wrong country.
@steute2011 Your responce to the mentioning of money was predictable if not expected. Thats not the point I was trying to make. I was trying to point out something that the majority has always failed to see. Israel doesnt buy its way out, it makes money for its supporters. Thats how it always worked. You know its debatable who was more dependant upon whom. The Jewish people made America the most prosperous nation in the world and THERE ITS NO COINCIDINCE THAT AS AMERICA TURNS ON THEM SAM SINKS.
@steute2011 They have already pissed off the (WRONG COUNTRIES) and will continue to piss off the wrong countries AS LONG AS THEY ARE WRONG. THE POINT.
@SCORNDOGGMELACH You have not pissed off the wrong country just yet, because Israel is still intact. You must really think Israel is invincible. You know exactly what I mean!!!
Again you are trying to argue the result or lack of a certain result from a withdrawal from the illegally occupied territories. Yes the surrounding Arab countries attacked Israel after her birth in the UN. What you seem to skip, is 1967 and the fact that Israel attacked Egypt first in a preemptive strike, which is not consider defensive by most scholars, since it assumes an attack by the other party. Israel also went on to take East Jerusalem for religious reasons mainly.
@SCORNDOGGMELACH You are assuming an outcome based on a perception, the Egyptians will say they were not and that is precisely why a preemptive strike is not considered defensive. Pretty straight forward.
@steute2011 And what was the international communities opinion when Israel was attacked from all sides the day after her independance was declared?The world called them THE ARABS THEN. PALESTINIANS? a bULLS--T WORD FORMED OUT OF AN UNWILLINGNESS TO ACCEPT THE INTERNATIONAL VOTE TO LEGITIMIZE THE STATE.The so called 'Palestinians' have a state. ITS CALLED JORDAN.Always was. How quickly people forget. No this is an emmotional response to this issue not a rational one.Its simply underdog affection.
@SCORNDOGGMELACH Actually Jordan was in control of the West Bank, which they turned over to the Palestinians after the war ended. I am not sure who you are referring to when you, say this is an emotional response to this issue not a rational one. It's simply underdog affection? I will venture to guess you are referring to yourself, given your passionate response, complete with caps?
@steute2011 The position of the Arabs FROM ALL CORNERS was clear from the beginning. 67 borders? Paaaaallleeeeeeze! Israel was rejected before she gained independance long before 67. My point is the int community including secular Jews continue to play down the FACT that Jews are hated in the region .Yes, this FACT is simply ignored and on the odd occasion it is addressed the world convinces itself that the hatred is simply retaliation. FOOLS. It is only when Israel suffers by conforming(contab
@steute2011 that the world seems to have second thoughts. Its b.s., Israel is sick of it and knows that they are and have always been alone. Americas interest in Israel is simply on the basis of an investment, because in this day and age of bending to the will of majority (which history and rational thinking has always exposed to be lacking discernment) the preasure will always be on the people with the upper hand. Build it up and the dogs will want it torn down.
@SCORNDOGGMELACH Well I guess your earlier response 'underdog affection" was direct at me and the international community, i.e. the majority. There is no question that Jews are hated in the region for both reasons of retaliation and just for being Jewish. I haven't seen much conforming by Israel. You say Israel is and has always been alone, I can only say that it is hard for other nations to stand with Israel if it thumbs it's nose at the international community.
@steute2011 Do you have any idea how much restraint Israel practices? Lets face it the Palestinian issue could be erased in a matter of Months. Palestinians enjoy more rights, freedoms and education opportunities in Israel than they do in the Arab nations.But again, forget all that. These Palestinians are not a nation. They were never a nation. Check the decendancy. They have changed face and name so many times its not funny. They have lived under subjugation of Nations for close to 3 milleniums
My father is Jewish and I self identify...it took way too long for me to get serious about my studies of my heritage...these videos and others like it help me along my path back to the tribe.
You cannot use the bible as an excuse to occupy land. That makes your country a THEOCRACY. What if the black Berber tribe the people who are beloved to be the true descendants of ancient Egypt demanded that all Arabs in Egypt leave their land and demand the right to rule over modern day Egypt do you think that would be okay?
@ttexx53 A Jew could be a yellow skinned Asian if he lives true Torah.Im talking about adherence to the 613 mitzvot , not reading the Old testament and just picking and choosing what one likes.And if you havent even subscribed to the covenant of circumcision FORGET ABOUT IT.This is a message to all wannabees who think that now that thousands of years of persecution and work towards the fufillment of prophecy has taken place think they can just pick up the Torah and tell real Jews "we are Israel"
.Is the a covenant for askenazi and sephardic. If so, where is it located in the entire old testament? Where is the origin of askenazi and sephardic? I ask becuase origin can be connected directly to prophecy and fulfillment. The origin and connecting prophecy for askenazi and sephardic seems rather hazy; could anyone clear this up? But use the scriptures old and new testament. I would be reassured that it is strictly the word of GOD, not the teachings of traditions of man-made gods.Son of man
u all talk bullshit there was no israel before and no longer it will be u fuking jews will cuz the world war 3 and destroy the planet by ur stupid acts and ideas u should thank god that u have been given a place to live in.
u all talk bullshit there was no israel before and no longer it will be u fuking jews will cuz the world war 3 and destroy the planet by ur stupid acts and ideas u should thank god that u have been given a place to live in.
Unfortunately 80% of American Jews always fund, support and vote antisemetic and also vote for the most pro-Islamic leaders (ie Obama, Carter, etc..).
Who exactly is this message for when Israel keeps getting slammed by Americas elected leaders supported by American Jews?
They can lie, Obama can lie. We can jump and shout what the real facts are, but the fanatics will still destroy Israel and the Jewish people. Let's just ask Hashem for His power to protect us. We can only tirelessly defend the Jewish people, but G-d is the only One who can deal with these leftist and haters.
People are very fickle. One day they will get tired of the Muslim propaganda and forget the whole affair overnight. Especially the anti-Israel "activists" in the US who have no genuine care for anyone in the region and are just following political trends for superficial reasons.
These clips will not be a hit among the Judenhass crew - facts and reason annoy them, and you provide little info they can twist into a rationalization of their hatred.
You jews want everyone to read the bible but you dont read it yourselves. If I wrote the Bible, I would be God's chosen people also. Do you see how that works? It works the same way for the israelis. In the Bible it says "Thou shall not kill". It does not say "Thou shall not kill, unless you are israeli". israel needs to go back home to Poland, Germany or HELL ! Zionist Terrorists of the Synagogue of Satan’s Chosen Losers !!!
> In the Bible it says "Thou shall not kill". It does not say "Thou shall not kill, unless you are israeli". israel needs to go back home to Poland, Germany or HELL ! Zionist Terrorists of the Synagogue of Satan’s Chosen Losers !!!
@ScuzzylilAmeriWhore i doubt we could take anyone seriously that calls themself scuzzylilameriwhore i would assume you are a degenerate,secondly we are supposed to take the word of a book that says the earth is flat and made by god 6500 years ago to justify an aggressive invasion and genocide of the palestinian people? if this is the case christians must go into the oven along with them
@ScuzzylilAmeriWhore Coming from someone who wastes their life away in their mothers basement saying "LONG LIVE ISRAEL ZOMG!!@#!~@#" You should just kill yourself and do us a favor.
Im sorry, but the TRUTH is these people WERE NEVER ESTABLISHED AS A NATION. Never. Occupied? They have been under occupation since day one. Lets look at the historical background. Before Israels so called occupation it was Britain. Before that the Ottomans. Too many unrecognized kingdoms to mention. Lets dip further back. Rome, via Greece, via Persia, via Babylon, via Assyria via Syria. Getting the picture? They didnt fight against these occupations they bent over and assimilated.(contabove)
SCORNDOGGMELACH 7 months ago
The point of DEMOCRACY (demoCRAZY) in Israel WAS NEVER intended to create a mini America based on your ideas in YOUR constitution. So Americans who think they would like to have it so can BACK OFF and start considering your own problems at home. You created your nation and you, yes YOU went to the balot boxes and voted in your elect based on your being stirred by charasmatic speeches. Look at you now. The masses are wrong as usual. A jewish state (soveregn) to make her own policies.
SCORNDOGGMELACH 7 months ago
@SCORNDOGGMELACH Define illegal occupation. Is that anything like the illegal invasion of Kuwait that was illegally established in the first place.Or maybe its like the illegal invasion of Iraq when Bush told the press openly that certainly he would be attentive to the senate and listen to the U.N.advsory but believed HE DID NOT NEED PERMISSION.Wake up.You think you have a voice?Nations are established by blood and force.The high ideals sold to the public is simply a matter of feeding the dogs
SCORNDOGGMELACH 7 months ago
So he read the koran? Israel is mentioned in the koran many times. He says zero times... This guy is zero to me. All people are equal, peace to everyone.
Ahmki1 7 months ago
What crock of self serving bull shit!!!
steute2011 8 months ago
@steute2011 Self serving, perhaps, but check these points. Is he telling the TRUTH? YES.
SCORNDOGGMELACH 7 months ago
@SCORNDOGGMELACH Point #1) I do not argue how and why Jews have a connection to Palestine, in which they created the state of Israel. My argument is whether or not they have a legal claim to the West Bank, Golan Heights and Gaza by way of the blockade. This land was acquired by war in 1967 and therefore inadmissible, irregardless of who was attacked first, according to international law / norms. Cont.>>>>>>
steute2011 7 months ago
@SCORNDOGGMELACH Point #2)You would never know if withdrawing to the 1967 lines would have brought about peace, since Israel has never fully withdrawn from those territories. The Camp David offer in 2000, was not one that would have given 93% of the West Bank, as it did not account for the Jewish only roads that criss crossed the West Bank and essentially left a bunch of bantustans for a Palestinian "state". Cont.>>>>>>>
steute2011 7 months ago
@SCORNDOGGMELACH Point #2) Continued, Building illegal settlements in the West Bank is a unilateral move that has been undertaken without any regard for what the implications on a future Palestinian state. This could be perceived as evidence that Israel never intended for there to be a contiguous Palestinian state. Point #3) Demanding that illegal settlements be stopped, is not an unreasonable precondition to peace talks. This request has been echoed by the entire international community.
steute2011 7 months ago
@steute2011 iTS Been no secret that Israerl frowns on a Palestinian state,but it does however seem that the secret and outright joke on the international community is that A PALESTINIAN STATE WILL NOT EVEN IF GRANTED BRING PEACE.Surprizingly it seems to have escaped the international comm's notice that Israel(Perez)stated openly that they dont want Gaza.In fact the interest in Gaza is more about a secure border and security from missle strikes.A new state WILL NOT STOP TERROR.VISIT THEN TALK
SCORNDOGGMELACH 7 months ago
@SCORNDOGGMELACH A Palestinian state through the UN, will not bring about peace, especially if Israel does not immediately pull out of the territories after such a fact were to be established. This is not the purpose of the move by the Palestinians, but rather to bring about the end of the illegal occupation. If Israel were to continue the illegal occupation of a sovereign UN member state, then the stakes for Israel are increased dramatically. Cont.>>>
steute2011 7 months ago
@sSCORNDOGGMELACH First there would be a political fallout for Israel with many important member states, who will begin cutting ties with Israel, i.e. isolation. Then you are looking at sanctions and finally a possibility that Israels biggest ally (US) will be forced to abandon Israel. If you think a UN recognized Palestinian state is of no consequence to Israel, you only need to look at the way they are scrambling to defeat this move.
steute2011 7 months ago
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SCORNDOGGMELACH 7 months ago
@steute2011 Do you really believe that? How naive can you get? THAT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN. Besides Israel already knows whats coming down the pipe. Money is just as green as ever. Israel is making economic ties with nations the globe would have never guessed at. Austria ,Switzerland and a host of eastern European countries once known as the bad Europe. They woke up while The West slept on Muslim immigration. The uprisings you are reading about will culminate and focus its energy on Israel. WATCH
SCORNDOGGMELACH 7 months ago
@SCORNDOGGMELACH It has to. Your not here. Look to your own back yard and while your at it consider yourself lucky. The support will be there but it will be bound ecconomically NOT EMMOTIONALLY by arm chair critics. This is why finance is leaned upon so hard. The Jew knows mans personal interest will always cause him to side step his oppinions. Israel doesnt need your moral, emmotional, or religious support. And the sick truth is America cant AFFORD to abandon Israel. iSRAEL CAN. MISSED THAT?
SCORNDOGGMELACH 7 months ago
@SCORNDOGGMELACH Your comments regarding the relationship between the US and Israel are absurd, to say the least. What you do not know, is that the US has made nations in the past and has also broken them down. I can imagine what backwards logic you have used to conclude that the US can not afford to abandon Israel? By my calculations we would save 3 billion a year and we get our politicians back from AIPAC. If Israel continues down it's current path, you will all be nomads soon.
steute2011 7 months ago
@steute2011 Nomads huh. If that were the case THIS TIME AROUND, THE U.S. would soon live to regret it . Not because of any threats of retaliation but simply by a clearer picture of who your REAL ENEMIES ARE. And as for my belief in an invincible Israel, it is irrelevant to this discusion. My comment had nothing to do with a belief in Israels military capacity or middle eastern superiority. No. Nor was it referring to finance. No. Under present conditions Israel could sink or swim. (contabove)
SCORNDOGGMELACH 7 months ago
@SCORNDOGGMELACH I think that we have gone in the wrong direction with this debate, so I am going to try a different approach. Contrary to what you probably think, I am not anti-Israel or antisemitic. I actually am quite fond of the Jewish people and there endless contributions to man kind. I would love nothing more than to see Israel continue to flourish, but here's the key...Within the 1967 borders. I am anti-occupation and everything that comes with it. Cont.>>>>>>>
steute2011 7 months ago
@SCORNDOGGMELACH My frustration is watching an extremely right wing government continue to alienate the international community. I know that there are legitimate security concerns for Israel and it will be difficult to find a amicable solution for both sides. However, the Jewish people have some of the greatest minds in the world and must use it to find a just resolution that will bring the international community on board.
steute2011 7 months ago
@steute2011 Well, on that note I will have to acknowledge the fact that I can appreciate the efforts of one willing to speak openly and honestly about his\her point of veiw concerning this troubling situation. But just as the Global community feels that Israel needs to arrive at acknowlegement herself, she also wishes the same on fundemental truths being swept aside as irrelevant. JORDAN! FOR EXAMPLE. The infiltration of Islam into the West. Squandered funding for Palestine. Missle attacks. etc
SCORNDOGGMELACH 7 months ago
@SCORNDOGGMELACH I do not believe any rational person would deny that there are some extremely troubling aspects of the Islamic faith and the ability of those Islamic leaders to use their resources wisely. My concern is that Islamophobia, then leads people to forget a very basic principle, which is that all Muslims are not this way and therefore collective punishment is inappropriate. I am not sure what you mean by Jordan, may I ask if you would clarify for me?
steute2011 7 months ago
@steute2011 Im going to play Devils advocate here and ask a question. Dont be offended. Step up. Why are you quite fond of the Jewish people? If your answers have anything to do with the entertainment industry, or lamentation over the holocaust , do you really think your fondness sits on anything ethical. I mean really, what are the Jewish people to you? And when you have answered that question, please define occupation while explaining why you smell something criminal.
SCORNDOGGMELACH 7 months ago
@SCORNDOGGMELACH My fondness of the Jewish people stems from several reasons. My perception is of a people that have overcome great odds throughout history to accomplish a great many things, most important of which, was the creation of their own state Israel. They have contributed some of the most important scientific discoveries in the history of man kind. They continue to be innovators in the fields of technology and medicine. Cont.>>>>
steute2011 7 months ago
@SCORNDOGGMELACH Beyond the accomplishments, my personal experience with Jewish people have been extremely positive and I always walked away having learned something, which is why I believe that Jewish people are innately smart. Jewish people to me are an example of what can be accomplished, even when the deck is stacked against you. Lastly my mother-in-law makes a great matzah ball soup. Con.>>>
steute2011 7 months ago
@SCORNDOGGMELACH My definition of occupation as it pertains to the conflict, is the forcible control of territory to which you are not the internationally recognized sovereign. Admittedly, my definition may fall short or maybe not even be close to the one given in the dictionary. However, it is based on my limited knowledge and understanding of international law / norms. I believe that this also answers the second part of your question.
steute2011 7 months ago
@steute2011 So, in that sense this is not about Israels historical roots to the Land for you but it was simply an international handout granted by the world in 48? Is my response too much like putting words in your mouth? Do you in expanding upon this, for example recognize that in 70 A.D. Israels 2nd common wealth had come to a close when Italy (ROME) expelled them to the 4 corners of tyhe Earth? A commonwealth, I might add that had NOTHING to do with international support what so ever.
SCORNDOGGMELACH 7 months ago
@steute2011 When the non Jews, assimilators, half breeds, and nomads of Palestine,(which was a Roman(latin) word imposed to describe a territory ,NOT A PEOPLE WERE invaded by Muhammad and Ali and the sword or Islam was offered, whose territory was it ?Palestinians. No such thing. It was the Arabs as in Arabians.WHAT INTERNATIONAL OPINION WAS CONSIDERED THEN? These people have been under subjugation since long before Islam came into being. What was Aramaic? Who were the Assyrians and the Syrians?
SCORNDOGGMELACH 7 months ago
@steute2011 What Im getting at is simply this. What in Gods name, other than a lack of knowlege concerning the history of this area, Antisemetism and depletion of discernment from an outside point of veiw, does the modern Global community feel it posesses in justifying the (so called) Palestinians ownership of this land? What can be said? They have lived there for generations? Jews have lived in multiple countries for over three milenium, but do they make any claims on those lands?
SCORNDOGGMELACH 7 months ago
@SCORNDOGGMELACH Wow, pretty impressive bit of articulation my friend. I must say very compelling argument. I believe the first part where you did in fact put some words in my mouth, but I took as playful sarcasm. I never said it was a handout in 1948 and certainly not what I was suggesting. I believe it was a carefully crafted and well thought out process of the Zionist movement. You have given me a new view on this which I would like to research. Any sources you want to share?
steute2011 7 months ago
@steute2011 There is an old expression in the Talmud. (And no Im not going to get into religion on ya) The Jew must push with one hand and pull with the other. Actually this verse is in reference to the attitude of Rabbis towards converts. And no, Im not even hinting at that. But I think this suggest much. I am aware of what you DIDNT say and wont claim to KNOW what you THINK. However, I wonder if you are aware of what your really saying when you suggest that occupation is defined(contabove)
SCORNDOGGMELACH 7 months ago
@steute2011 by movements of force in land not internationally recognized as sovereign?( not your words I know) Look deeper into your statement. Who and what determines Sovereignty? Really. WHO AND WHAT? What is the currancy for freedom and the establishment of a nation, AND WHY IN GODS NAME IS ISRAEL LOOKED UPON DIFFERENTLY WHEN SHE DOES THE SAME? Do you think the Zionist movement as you call it, was something new and created by Hertzel? LOL or Cry in pain. Dont know which.
SCORNDOGGMELACH 7 months ago
@SCORNDOGGMELACH O.K., now you have done it. I have to pause under your last question. Why? Because by answering yes or no I would still be telling you the truth. And no, Im not trying to confuze or deceive you. This reception on your part will reveal more about you and how you think (as a thinker, lol) than it will about me or Jewish people in answering your question. If I have already lost you, understand that it IS NOT MY INTENTION nor is it MY FAULT. Do YOU understand? Such (contabove)
SCORNDOGGMELACH 7 months ago
@SCORNDOGGMELACH I am extremely conflicted right now and you are not making it any better. Give me a break, I am obviously not as seasoned as you. So be patient with me. I am always willing to learn and I appreciate what you have shared with me so far. Your questions are valid, but I don't have the answers. I honestly have been just working off of the information from sources like the UN, all HR orgs and Haaretz (my favorite site for Israeli news). Speaking of..what about that new boycott law?
steute2011 7 months ago
@steute2011 O.K, look. You have already asked about so many things without me answering. No wonder your conflicted. One at a time, before the next one. THATS HOW i ROLE. LOL. Im not so seasoned but I continue to learn. Its a process not a conclusion. As for the boycott Im not sure what you are referring to. I havent even had time to eat or read all my E-mails.Maybe you would like to share. I just wanted to give you a feel for my mindset in enguaging in this talk. Hope I was sucessful. After you.
SCORNDOGGMELACH 7 months ago
@SCORNDOGGMELACH I realize I ask many questions and I apologize. Perhaps when you have a chance you will check out the new boycott law passed in Israel on Monday. It is now illegal to boycott Israel or the settlements, which seems to be a bit contrary to democracy. The law apparently goes a step further, in that it does not require the plaintiff to prove damages, but rather the potential for damages due to any boycott action by the defendant. Would love to know your thoughts.
steute2011 7 months ago
@steute2011 Thier acceptance of Muslim(Arabic) rule was and has been just another example of how they and thier decendants were absorbed into the various powers and movements that have washed over them. THATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEM AND THE JEWISH PEOPLE.ON THAT NOTE ,THE JEWISH PEOPLE AND THE WORLD. GET ME? They will not be dictated to by the international community in thier heart of hearts. WHY SHOULD THEY? IS ISRAEL IN FACT A POSSESSION OF THE GLOBAL COMMUNITY? ANYONE....ANYONE.....ANYONE
SCORNDOGGMELACH 7 months ago
@SCORNDOGGMELACH What do you say to the thousands of Israeli Jews and Jews abroad whom actively oppose the occupation and settlements? I need to ask one question regarding the information earlier about the history, does any of the history you have referred to come from Biblical scripture?
steute2011 7 months ago
@steute2011 discussions in attempts to understand take time. Time that you have demonstrated is worth it. I THINK but do not CLAIM to know that you can appreciate this. I want you to know that I DO NOT CLAIM to be a spokesperson for the Jewish people but I recognize the importance of open dialogue. Especially NOW! Understand this. You have openly asked many GREAT QUESTIONS. But the fact that you missed the Jordan reference makes me wonder just how much you are aware of. This is not(contabove)
SCORNDOGGMELACH 7 months ago
@SCORNDOGGMELACH I must admit the Jordan reference eluded me. Let me look back trough the string of comments and I will come back to you.
steute2011 7 months ago
@steute2011 to your shame or disgrace. Please dont get me wrong. If your willing, stick it out with me and I will struggle to share what I have come to understand as you struggle to listen. It will take time. Are you willing? But understand also there may be a point that we arrive at an impass as it will come down to fundemental exploration of CORE BELIEFS. That is to say, it may get very personal . Not so personal that we expose ourselves outside of our You tube membership you understand.
SCORNDOGGMELACH 7 months ago
@SCORNDOGGMELACH You seem to have a great sense of humor on top of being a word craftsman. I completely understand your position, which I share. At this point I just feel like there is much to be learned here. I will say, you sometimes seem to be on an emotional roller coaster when you are writing, thus the partial sentences in caps? Have good night or day depending on where you are.
steute2011 7 months ago
@steute2011 its simply up to her. However the straw that breaks the camels back would not be simply continuing on her present course. Obama will simply continue to scold to please the int community, while infact he will continue to understand the (seemingly) sick situation must be maintained. The real culprits simply are not exposed on the Global stage. This conflict is being fed by TRUE evil, yet the Jewish people will continue to be proped up as the offenders. Why? WHY NOT? This(contabove)
SCORNDOGGMELACH 7 months ago
@steute2011 system has worked like a well oiled machine. These global Kingpins do not care where the preasure is established and (give you a hint) 'care not who rules' Even your President bends to thier will. The world is sitting under a grande delusion. But the truth is far more frightening and earth shattering than most would ever be able to accept as anything more than just another (oh so popular) conspiracy theory.AS FOR ME, MY HEART IS WITH THE 1 TRUE GOD OF ISRAEL. Farewell Tyre.(metaphore
SCORNDOGGMELACH 7 months ago
@SCORNDOGGMELACH I guess you believe Israel will be able to buy it's way out of everything and never have to conform to any international law that doesn't suit it's agenda? BTW, if money is green as ever in Israel, can you tell them to stop accepting my tax dollars? Sounds like Israel is ready to take on the world? Good luck, and let's just hope they don't piss off the wrong country.
steute2011 7 months ago
@steute2011 Your responce to the mentioning of money was predictable if not expected. Thats not the point I was trying to make. I was trying to point out something that the majority has always failed to see. Israel doesnt buy its way out, it makes money for its supporters. Thats how it always worked. You know its debatable who was more dependant upon whom. The Jewish people made America the most prosperous nation in the world and THERE ITS NO COINCIDINCE THAT AS AMERICA TURNS ON THEM SAM SINKS.
SCORNDOGGMELACH 7 months ago
@steute2011 They have already pissed off the (WRONG COUNTRIES) and will continue to piss off the wrong countries AS LONG AS THEY ARE WRONG. THE POINT.
SCORNDOGGMELACH 7 months ago
@SCORNDOGGMELACH You have not pissed off the wrong country just yet, because Israel is still intact. You must really think Israel is invincible. You know exactly what I mean!!!
steute2011 7 months ago
Again you are trying to argue the result or lack of a certain result from a withdrawal from the illegally occupied territories. Yes the surrounding Arab countries attacked Israel after her birth in the UN. What you seem to skip, is 1967 and the fact that Israel attacked Egypt first in a preemptive strike, which is not consider defensive by most scholars, since it assumes an attack by the other party. Israel also went on to take East Jerusalem for religious reasons mainly.
steute2011 7 months ago
@steute2011 Question , was Israel aware of Egypts mobilization before they struck? Most scholars? There is that reference to numbers again. Scholars?
SCORNDOGGMELACH 7 months ago
@SCORNDOGGMELACH You are assuming an outcome based on a perception, the Egyptians will say they were not and that is precisely why a preemptive strike is not considered defensive. Pretty straight forward.
steute2011 7 months ago
@steute2011 And what was the international communities opinion when Israel was attacked from all sides the day after her independance was declared?The world called them THE ARABS THEN. PALESTINIANS? a bULLS--T WORD FORMED OUT OF AN UNWILLINGNESS TO ACCEPT THE INTERNATIONAL VOTE TO LEGITIMIZE THE STATE.The so called 'Palestinians' have a state. ITS CALLED JORDAN.Always was. How quickly people forget. No this is an emmotional response to this issue not a rational one.Its simply underdog affection.
SCORNDOGGMELACH 7 months ago
@SCORNDOGGMELACH Actually Jordan was in control of the West Bank, which they turned over to the Palestinians after the war ended. I am not sure who you are referring to when you, say this is an emotional response to this issue not a rational one. It's simply underdog affection? I will venture to guess you are referring to yourself, given your passionate response, complete with caps?
steute2011 7 months ago
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SCORNDOGGMELACH 7 months ago
@steute2011 The position of the Arabs FROM ALL CORNERS was clear from the beginning. 67 borders? Paaaaallleeeeeeze! Israel was rejected before she gained independance long before 67. My point is the int community including secular Jews continue to play down the FACT that Jews are hated in the region .Yes, this FACT is simply ignored and on the odd occasion it is addressed the world convinces itself that the hatred is simply retaliation. FOOLS. It is only when Israel suffers by conforming(contab
SCORNDOGGMELACH 7 months ago
@steute2011 that the world seems to have second thoughts. Its b.s., Israel is sick of it and knows that they are and have always been alone. Americas interest in Israel is simply on the basis of an investment, because in this day and age of bending to the will of majority (which history and rational thinking has always exposed to be lacking discernment) the preasure will always be on the people with the upper hand. Build it up and the dogs will want it torn down.
SCORNDOGGMELACH 7 months ago
@SCORNDOGGMELACH Well I guess your earlier response 'underdog affection" was direct at me and the international community, i.e. the majority. There is no question that Jews are hated in the region for both reasons of retaliation and just for being Jewish. I haven't seen much conforming by Israel. You say Israel is and has always been alone, I can only say that it is hard for other nations to stand with Israel if it thumbs it's nose at the international community.
steute2011 7 months ago
@steute2011 Do you have any idea how much restraint Israel practices? Lets face it the Palestinian issue could be erased in a matter of Months. Palestinians enjoy more rights, freedoms and education opportunities in Israel than they do in the Arab nations.But again, forget all that. These Palestinians are not a nation. They were never a nation. Check the decendancy. They have changed face and name so many times its not funny. They have lived under subjugation of Nations for close to 3 milleniums
SCORNDOGGMELACH 7 months ago
My father is Jewish and I self identify...it took way too long for me to get serious about my studies of my heritage...these videos and others like it help me along my path back to the tribe.
arizonacardinals2007 10 months ago
You cannot use the bible as an excuse to occupy land. That makes your country a THEOCRACY. What if the black Berber tribe the people who are beloved to be the true descendants of ancient Egypt demanded that all Arabs in Egypt leave their land and demand the right to rule over modern day Egypt do you think that would be okay?
varickloc 11 months ago
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This guy forgets that Israel has stolen land,
allantapps 1 year ago
since when were jews white? what a rip off, con artist.
ttexx53 1 year ago
@ttexx53 A Jew could be a yellow skinned Asian if he lives true Torah.Im talking about adherence to the 613 mitzvot , not reading the Old testament and just picking and choosing what one likes.And if you havent even subscribed to the covenant of circumcision FORGET ABOUT IT.This is a message to all wannabees who think that now that thousands of years of persecution and work towards the fufillment of prophecy has taken place think they can just pick up the Torah and tell real Jews "we are Israel"
SCORNDOGGMELACH 7 months ago
.Is the a covenant for askenazi and sephardic. If so, where is it located in the entire old testament? Where is the origin of askenazi and sephardic? I ask becuase origin can be connected directly to prophecy and fulfillment. The origin and connecting prophecy for askenazi and sephardic seems rather hazy; could anyone clear this up? But use the scriptures old and new testament. I would be reassured that it is strictly the word of GOD, not the teachings of traditions of man-made gods.Son of man
shebasonofsolomon 1 year ago
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u all talk bullshit there was no israel before and no longer it will be u fuking jews will cuz the world war 3 and destroy the planet by ur stupid acts and ideas u should thank god that u have been given a place to live in.
khana199 1 year ago
u all talk bullshit there was no israel before and no longer it will be u fuking jews will cuz the world war 3 and destroy the planet by ur stupid acts and ideas u should thank god that u have been given a place to live in.
khana199 1 year ago
Unfortunately 80% of American Jews always fund, support and vote antisemetic and also vote for the most pro-Islamic leaders (ie Obama, Carter, etc..).
Who exactly is this message for when Israel keeps getting slammed by Americas elected leaders supported by American Jews?
straygypsy 1 year ago
They can lie, Obama can lie. We can jump and shout what the real facts are, but the fanatics will still destroy Israel and the Jewish people. Let's just ask Hashem for His power to protect us. We can only tirelessly defend the Jewish people, but G-d is the only One who can deal with these leftist and haters.
bobbiegirl1000 1 year ago
Rav Ginsburg teaches the masses.
mierpaul 1 year ago
People are very fickle. One day they will get tired of the Muslim propaganda and forget the whole affair overnight. Especially the anti-Israel "activists" in the US who have no genuine care for anyone in the region and are just following political trends for superficial reasons.
IBeatUpThugs 1 year ago
khazarian bastard worship in your "synagogue of satan"
rniggemyer 1 year ago
@rniggemyer
rniggemyer you are a Eurofag Vatikkkan shill and the pOPe is the sON of sATAN.
ScuzzylilAmeriWhore 1 year ago
Guess what? Israel will perish, Jews are not the chosen ones.
smarty358 1 year ago
@smarty358 Yes! You are so right! Lets start celebrating israels funeral now.
majikspell1 1 year ago
@majikspell1 Lets have some tea yes?
smarty358 1 year ago
@smarty358 Green tea I hope. Cheers \~/
majikspell1 1 year ago
@majikspell1
We should start first with yours you CIA controlled Islamist shill
ScuzzylilAmeriWhore 1 year ago
@smarty358
No, the anti-zionist liars will perish and be proven as liars, in fact they have been over and over again.
ScuzzylilAmeriWhore 1 year ago
These clips will not be a hit among the Judenhass crew - facts and reason annoy them, and you provide little info they can twist into a rationalization of their hatred.
RagnarTheNerd 1 year ago
LONG LIVE ISRAEL! A SPECIAL PLACE IN MY HEART FOR EVER -ISRAEL-!
arual1969 1 year ago 3
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You jews want everyone to read the bible but you dont read it yourselves. If I wrote the Bible, I would be God's chosen people also. Do you see how that works? It works the same way for the israelis. In the Bible it says "Thou shall not kill". It does not say "Thou shall not kill, unless you are israeli". israel needs to go back home to Poland, Germany or HELL ! Zionist Terrorists of the Synagogue of Satan’s Chosen Losers !!!
majikspell1 1 year ago
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@majikspell1
> In the Bible it says "Thou shall not kill". It does not say "Thou shall not kill, unless you are israeli". israel needs to go back home to Poland, Germany or HELL ! Zionist Terrorists of the Synagogue of Satan’s Chosen Losers !!!
Please say this words to Hamas and Abbas.
Benbarzillay 1 year ago
@majikspell1 LONG LIVE ISRAEL, LONG LIVE ISRAEL!!!!!!!! ISRAEL NOW AND FOREVER!!!!!
Faust2320 1 year ago 2
@Faust2320 only in hell !!!
majikspell1 1 year ago
@majikspell1 to bad your wrong, by!
Faust2320 1 year ago
I am pro-israel and pro-jewish. I wish there was more jewish people like you speaking to us.
KasparHauser4 1 year ago 7
@KasparHauser4
LONG LIVE ISRAEL AND THE JEWS
DOWN WITH THE ANTI-ZIONIST LIARS.
ScuzzylilAmeriWhore 1 year ago
@ScuzzylilAmeriWhore i doubt we could take anyone seriously that calls themself scuzzylilameriwhore i would assume you are a degenerate,secondly we are supposed to take the word of a book that says the earth is flat and made by god 6500 years ago to justify an aggressive invasion and genocide of the palestinian people? if this is the case christians must go into the oven along with them
Die1Faust 1 year ago
@ScuzzylilAmeriWhore Coming from someone who wastes their life away in their mothers basement saying "LONG LIVE ISRAEL ZOMG!!@#!~@#" You should just kill yourself and do us a favor.
smarty358 1 year ago