LOL, the first minutes of this part actually underline all i've written in my comments on part 4
On another note: what geniuses these people in power are;
1st guy: "i've read this theory that says all people are essentially selfish and dishonest, how can we improve society with this in mind ?"
2nd guy: "I know. We should abolisch all regulatory instances, slim down goverment and give people who deal with a lot of money more freedom, that will reduce corruption and improve equality!"
The obsession with statistics by these institutions, and it is everywhere, reminds me of The Wire. Individuals don't count or really exist, they're expendable numbers inside a political machine, a criminal outfit or the police force. We're obsessed with these numbers because it's an easy way to pretend we're doing something about issues rather than looking at the hard and politically unpopular realities.
so called market economy is maybe bigger collective lie than socialism was... neither of them has ever existed...true believers of those systems are pain in the ass, they are patholocigal liars
I suppose a bureaucrat can look at things both on a case by case basis, or as a wider picture provided he or she is good enough. Whereas the targeting looks at the numbers and the numbers can be cooked.
Fascinating. While New Labour got these ideas from the US, they've never been applied to this extent here in government. But of course the US private sector economy is much more free-market oriented.
I must say i'm glad i never voted Labour. The real comparison is not between big government or small government but between dumb power and smart power.
Its quite funny how we invent systems and then we get enslaved by them. And i am shocked that less than four thousand people watched this important and informative documentry while some other stupid videos on youtube is being watched by millions of people
I think you should take some "Soma", it will make all those bad feelings go away. Remember, "One cubic centimetre cures ten gloomy sentiments"(Aldous Huxley).
@s2156785 leaders do more work most of the time. were not all the same. if a video has millions of views chances are its entertainment and not education. 11,627 views is normal for a smash hit that teaches self empowerment like these vids teach of demonstrate. Open a Green & Fair Trade business and grow wealthy via being honorable... in time quite your regular job if you care to, but go cautiously.. YOUR THE CHANGE WE NEED!
Man, I can't believe people actually thought this "target" system was going to work like they thought it would. Then achieving "targets" becomes the priority, not actually helping people. It's worse than the old bureaucracy! I'm no economist or politician, and yet I can see that much! :-\ How sad.
Um, I don't recall saying anything like "government = bad". From what I remember of this movie, the British gov't simply made a colossal mistake in policy-making, which was borne out of misinformation from science and psychology at the time (it's been a few months since I've seen this doc, so forgive me if I don't have all the facts down). Anyway, I'm not sure why you think I had such a black-and-white view of governmental workings, but if it was my cynicism, then my apologies.
fuck me I see this all the time in hospitals in Ireland. The Wire is very good on this when it comes to clearing homicide rates and the extent to which people will go to create the illusion of progress in such systems.
Anarchy would necessarily result in chaos. Modern man is a disgusting little dwarf creature and these videos demonstrate this. Modern society has many disgusting elements and the degree of control is something one could hardly believe possible. It is disgusting. The UK in particular where people are obsessed with the beckhams is a philistine culture. But still modern man being what he is I prefer them being obsessed with victoria than not being bound by laws.
unless you have detailed knowledge of experiments that show this to be true, there's a high possibility you're wrong wrong wrong. 'The UK in particular' strikes me as something someone not very well travelled would say. I agree the people are disgusting, but they are also beautiful.
nobody seems to want anarchy. i think this is because they think the word means 'chaos' and not just a system without leaders. Small self governing communities...
Anarchy would necessarily result in chaos. Modern man is a disgusting little dwarf creature and these videos demonstrate this. Modern society has many disgusting elements and the degree of control is something one could hardly believe possible. It is disgusting. The UK in particular where people are obsessed with the beckhams is a philistine culture. But still modern man being what he is I prefer them being obsessed with victoria than not being bound by laws.
Not everything in life can be quantified, but when you are trying to translate everything to monetary value to put it up for sale, this kind of thinking takes over. The obsession with numerical job evaluations has caused all workers to find ways to be "good" employees per the targets but without any compassion or sense of service. I see it all the time in my own field.
he says it's more about game play theory developed from poker games and the cold war. we are meant to fit into a statistic and behave predictably. cheers.
Exactly that quantification is the problem, not things like inequality (which this film declares a problem in itself even though it is the result of quantification as well).
I AM NOT A NUMBER! I AM A FREE MAN!
theproplady 8 months ago
LOL, the first minutes of this part actually underline all i've written in my comments on part 4
On another note: what geniuses these people in power are;
1st guy: "i've read this theory that says all people are essentially selfish and dishonest, how can we improve society with this in mind ?"
2nd guy: "I know. We should abolisch all regulatory instances, slim down goverment and give people who deal with a lot of money more freedom, that will reduce corruption and improve equality!"
Lois3691 8 months ago
after freud and jung it seems bizarre to compare humans or genes with computers or machines.
fetischterranova 1 year ago
The obsession with statistics by these institutions, and it is everywhere, reminds me of The Wire. Individuals don't count or really exist, they're expendable numbers inside a political machine, a criminal outfit or the police force. We're obsessed with these numbers because it's an easy way to pretend we're doing something about issues rather than looking at the hard and politically unpopular realities.
antihostile 1 year ago
so called market economy is maybe bigger collective lie than socialism was... neither of them has ever existed...true believers of those systems are pain in the ass, they are patholocigal liars
RealBulldust 1 year ago
Mercinary society- who cares just lie- money money money- LOADS A MONEY!
099749 1 year ago
children should live in socialist society let the adults compete
255ad 1 year ago
lmao, the free market. lmao
irishgeal1 1 year ago
6:19 is so funny :D .sums up the whole idea
mihir1310 1 year ago
@mihir1310 Its rather ridiculous, isn't it!??!
Blaming failure of the state on free markets!
zg76 1 year ago 2
I am not a robot, I am a human being!
onedollarwill 1 year ago
the only thing to glean from this is that the Youtube comments system is flawed
TheKrackfox 1 year ago
How is the whole 'target' culture any different to bureaucracy? Or is Curtis presenting a false dichotomy to spur the story on?
johnnycon 2 years ago
I suppose a bureaucrat can look at things both on a case by case basis, or as a wider picture provided he or she is good enough. Whereas the targeting looks at the numbers and the numbers can be cooked.
DaveAllenDaveAllen 1 year ago
Fascinating. While New Labour got these ideas from the US, they've never been applied to this extent here in government. But of course the US private sector economy is much more free-market oriented.
DonPMitchell 2 years ago
This is a great account of what happened in the UK.
.... And the US?
emann1066 2 years ago 2
Epic FAIL!
leeroynaggins 2 years ago
I must say i'm glad i never voted Labour. The real comparison is not between big government or small government but between dumb power and smart power.
edwardaquarius 2 years ago
Its quite funny how we invent systems and then we get enslaved by them. And i am shocked that less than four thousand people watched this important and informative documentry while some other stupid videos on youtube is being watched by millions of people
s2156785 2 years ago 20
I think you should take some "Soma", it will make all those bad feelings go away. Remember, "One cubic centimetre cures ten gloomy sentiments"(Aldous Huxley).
Not2Sane 2 years ago
@s2156785 A real gauge of how the majority thinks. I'd feel much better if this video had 127 million views like the handicap lip syncer..
JRD123456 1 year ago
@s2156785 leaders do more work most of the time. were not all the same. if a video has millions of views chances are its entertainment and not education. 11,627 views is normal for a smash hit that teaches self empowerment like these vids teach of demonstrate. Open a Green & Fair Trade business and grow wealthy via being honorable... in time quite your regular job if you care to, but go cautiously.. YOUR THE CHANGE WE NEED!
KharamiSunato 11 months ago
@s2156785,
I agree, but being educated doesn't really mean understanding the world or being interested in actually how it works.
A very good series, The Trap, am watching it now, and it's resonating with me.
bulltraderpt 8 months ago
"...The gov'ts response was to introduce even more mathematical levels of management."
Sounds like a typical Gov't response to a problem. Compound the issue while denying it exists in the first place! XD
datalal624 2 years ago 3
Man, I can't believe people actually thought this "target" system was going to work like they thought it would. Then achieving "targets" becomes the priority, not actually helping people. It's worse than the old bureaucracy! I'm no economist or politician, and yet I can see that much! :-\ How sad.
datalal624 2 years ago 4
@datalal624 Sounds to me like an issue any power hungry manager would do. "My theory isn't wrong, it's my workers who are abusing the system!"
Since you're watching this movie, why not deepen your thinking beyond "government = bad"
Renegen1 2 years ago
Um, I don't recall saying anything like "government = bad". From what I remember of this movie, the British gov't simply made a colossal mistake in policy-making, which was borne out of misinformation from science and psychology at the time (it's been a few months since I've seen this doc, so forgive me if I don't have all the facts down). Anyway, I'm not sure why you think I had such a black-and-white view of governmental workings, but if it was my cynicism, then my apologies.
Take care.
datalal624 2 years ago 3
I am not a number, I am a free man!
Patrick MacGoohan in The Prisoner.
A society, a population reduced to statistics is in fact anti individualistic.
The communists and Fascists Would have loved this!
JSS64 2 years ago 3
fuck me I see this all the time in hospitals in Ireland. The Wire is very good on this when it comes to clearing homicide rates and the extent to which people will go to create the illusion of progress in such systems.
aldgunencarrothers 2 years ago 3
Targets? Sounds like Soviet Union back in the days.
KramerLeo 2 years ago 2
Yup, how can anyone possibly call it "market" ?
Visfen 2 years ago
Anarchy would necessarily result in chaos. Modern man is a disgusting little dwarf creature and these videos demonstrate this. Modern society has many disgusting elements and the degree of control is something one could hardly believe possible. It is disgusting. The UK in particular where people are obsessed with the beckhams is a philistine culture. But still modern man being what he is I prefer them being obsessed with victoria than not being bound by laws.
DAVID3766 2 years ago
unless you have detailed knowledge of experiments that show this to be true, there's a high possibility you're wrong wrong wrong. 'The UK in particular' strikes me as something someone not very well travelled would say. I agree the people are disgusting, but they are also beautiful.
chrisp3001 2 years ago 3
nobody seems to want anarchy. i think this is because they think the word means 'chaos' and not just a system without leaders. Small self governing communities...
chrisp3001 2 years ago 3
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Anarchy would necessarily result in chaos. Modern man is a disgusting little dwarf creature and these videos demonstrate this. Modern society has many disgusting elements and the degree of control is something one could hardly believe possible. It is disgusting. The UK in particular where people are obsessed with the beckhams is a philistine culture. But still modern man being what he is I prefer them being obsessed with victoria than not being bound by laws.
DAVID3766 2 years ago
Not everything in life can be quantified, but when you are trying to translate everything to monetary value to put it up for sale, this kind of thinking takes over. The obsession with numerical job evaluations has caused all workers to find ways to be "good" employees per the targets but without any compassion or sense of service. I see it all the time in my own field.
hollywoodartchick 2 years ago 14
he says it's more about game play theory developed from poker games and the cold war. we are meant to fit into a statistic and behave predictably. cheers.
noklarok 2 years ago 2
@hollywoodartchick
Exactly that quantification is the problem, not things like inequality (which this film declares a problem in itself even though it is the result of quantification as well).
mainsqueeze1977 1 year ago