Komentatorot e neznajko, nema nikakvo sonce od "virgina",(toa ime go izmislija grcite za mestoto kade e najdeno sonceto vo egejska Makedonija), tuku ima samo sonce od "KUTLEŠ"!!!
In Poland Newspaper "Gazzete" on two pages with title :"Macedonia is big like Aleksandar the Great was" for the Macedonian victory over Israel!:)))hehe
In the 1930's the Macedonians in Greece were punished for speaking of their native language by drinking of castor oil and were persecuted for expressing of their national identity. Yet despite the triple persecution the Macedonians never abandoned their nationality.
The Macedonian language was forbidden, despite the fact under the supervision of the League of Nations Greece had recognized its existence as distinct language when it published the primer "Abecedar" for the needs of the Macedonian children in 1924
The Macedonians were also forced to renounce their native family names and use only new "Greek-sounding" names. In 1995, Human Rights Watch - Helsinki was a witness that even today the Macedonians are forbidden to carry their first and last Macedonian names. During the dictatorship of General Metaxis, the Macedonians were exposed to brutal oppression.
However, the same river appears as Crna Reka, a native Macedonian name meaning "black river" on the maps made before 1913. Kutlesh had been dropped for Vergina, and Kukush for Kilkis, together with at least 300 other places all over Aegean Macedonia.
Since 1913, official Greece has been trying to banish native Macedonian names of villages, towns, cities, rivers, and lakes in Aegean Macedonia. For example, the little stream which issues from Mount Olympus and flows into the Aegean Sea is labeled Mavroneri("black water") on the maps made by Greek cartographers after 1913.
With the military support that came from the United States and Great Britain, the communists lost the war, and the Macedonians once again were stripped of their human rights.
Krste Misirkov wrote in an article in the "20th of July" newspaper in Sofia, 1919: "Whether we call ourselves Bulgarians or Macedonians, we have always maintained a separate, unified, and different nationality from the Serbs, and we have Bulgarian consciousness."
Krste Petkov Misirkov :
"There is no single language in Macedonia; instead there are several different dialects which have a close affinity to the Bulgarian dialects and they all together make up one language — Bulgarian. " !
Constantinople and all continental Greece were for centuries ruled and occupied by the Romans, and during many subsequent centuries invaded and colonized by Slavs. The Crusades and the Latin conquest brought a large influx of western Europeans, commonly called Franks, and, in later times, extensive Albanian settlements were made in Greek districts. Clearly, the modern Greek must be of very mixed blood. (Turkey in Europe by Sir Charles Elliot, page 267.)
Contemporary historians state the Emperor Basilius also was a Sclavonian; many cities bearing Sclavonian appellations still exist in Greece, as, for instance, Platza, Stratza, Lutzana, (The Foreign Quarterly Review Vol. XXVI, published in October M. DCCC. XL., 1841, page 73.)
By the fourteenth century Orthodox Christian Arvanites had made their way into the Greek thema of the Byzantine Empire, which largely comprised the land that now constitutes Greece. They first came to Attica as early as 1883They did not complete their immigration until 1759, when Sultan Murat III offered them land in AthensThus the Arvanites were already inhabiting Athens when the city became the capital of Greece in 1834. (Death Fables of Identity by Nani Panourgia, page 27.)
The liberated territory, covering mainly the territory of Aegean Macedonia. 87 Macedonian schools were opened for 100,000 pupils, the newspapers in Macedonian were published ("Nepokoren", "Zora", "Edinstvo", "Borec"), and cultural and artistic associations were created. But after two years of KKE's success in the civil war, the United States decided to side up against them, afraid that Greece would become another communist country.
Therefore, during the Greek Civil War that followed World War II (1946-1949), the Macedonians of Aegean Macedonia fought on the side of the Greek Communist Party (KKE) simply because it promised them their rights after the war.Out of the 35,000 soldiers of DAG, about half were Macedonians.
In the period of 1945-46 alone, according to statistics: 400 murders were registered; 440 women and girls were raped; 13,529 interned on the Greek islands; 8,145 imprisoned in the Greek prisons; 4,209 indicted; 3,215 sentenced to prison; 13 driven mad by the torture in the prisons; 45 villages abandoned; 80 villages pillaged; 1,605 families plundered; and 1,943 families evicted.
In Greece, after the Varkisa agreement (December 1945), the use of the Macedonian name and the Macedonian language were once again prohibited in the Aegean part of Macedonia and the Greek authorities started applying terror against the Macedonians.
It is one of a group made famous in the Greek revolution of 1821 by the bravery of its Albanian settlers, in defense of a country which they had never adopted for their own till this moment of danger came.
They brought to it moreover, the hoarded wealth of many years. Albanian captains, Albanian ships and Albanian gold became the strength of the Greek and the dread of the Turk. (The Atlantic Monthly: A magazine of literature, science, art and politics Vol. XLIX, January 1882, page 31.)
In reality however, just before the Greek war of independence, most Greeks still referred to themselves as Romans. Vlachavas, the priest rebel leader who rose against the Ottomans, declared, A Romneos I was born a Romneos I will die. (Bloodlines from the Ethnic Pride to Ethnic Terrorism, by Vamik Volkan, page 121..
But it has been argued that since the modern day Greeks are not the descendents of the ancient Greeks: The Star of Vergina is not a Greek symbol, except in the sense that it happens to have been found in the territory of the present-day Greek state. (Experimenting with Democracy Regime change in the Balkans, edited by Geoffrey Pridham and Tom Gallagher, page 271.)
Google. "macedonia evidence" !!! The list of 347 (200 at the begining+147 after) Classical Scholars (Historians, Archaeologists) that co-signed and support the letter sent to President Barack Obama for the truth about macedonia.
" Unlike the narrow minded, I make no distinction between Greeks and barbarians. [...] For me, any good foreigner? is a Greek and any bad Greek is worse than a barbarian."
- Alexander the Great : Oath of Opis, 324 B.C.E.
If you want to be greek even Αλέξανδρος accept you. Thank you Fyromians for the use of hellenic symbols like the macedonian star !
The first Greek who had a plan for insurrection and for a liberated Greece was Rhigas of Valestino.
Rhigas was the author of poems, revolutionary proclamations and a constitution
In this document he spoke of a sovereign people of the proposed state as including without distinction of religion and language Greeks, Albanians, Vlachs, Armenians, Turks and every other race.
(Appletons Annual Cyclopedia and register of important events 1901, Third Series Volume VI, page 113.)
Macedonians had the same language, the same religion, used the same names, served the same arts, used the same architecture, the same heroes,the same customs, the same rituals, the same traditions, the same myths, and olympic games patricipation as all other Hellenes!!! Macedonians were (and are) Hellenes.
"The Greeks are stated to number 120,000 and Albanians 80,000. But who are the Greeks? At least five sixths of them, if not more are Christian Albanians of the Orthodox faith, Albanians in sentiment and language, who because they acknowledge the Patriarch of Constantinople are declared to be Greek in point of national consciousness. (The Nineteenth Century and After XIX-XX a Monthly Review, founded by James Knowles, Vol. LXXXVI,July-December 1919, page 645.)
After 1990, historians in the Republic of Macedonia soon settled in accepting communist-time scholarship as the base on which to build further research."
(Ulf Brunnbauer,Institute of East European Studies, Free University of Berlin,"Pro-Serbians" vs. "Pro-Bulgarians": Revisionism in Post-Socialist Macedonian Historiography)
"There is the case of Karamanlides , a predominantly Turkish speaking Christian Orthodox people , who were forced to go to Greece although they did not necessarily identify ethnically with the Greeks. At the time of the exchange they numbered as many as 400,000. ( Mediating the nation news, Audiences and the politics of identity, Mirca Madianou, page 31
puhahaha Karamnlis even his grenpapa is not born in Macedonia for who Macedonians you speak for Pontuses from Asia?O my Lord!
mai ne znaete 4e ste neshto kato bulgari..no nito bulgarite ne vi iskat..skopianci ebete se v gza zashtoto nikoga niama da imate originalnata makedonska kultura ot vremenata na alexandr..originalnata makedonia sme nie v grckara makedonia..
The future prosperity [of the historical general] Seleukos was foreshadowed by unmistakable signs. When he was about to set forth from Makedonia with Alexandros [the Great], and was sacrificing at Pella [in Makedonia] to Zeus, the wood that lay on the altar advanced of its own accord to the image and caught fire without the application of a light.
"Your ancestors invaded Macedonia and the rest of Hellas(Greece) and did us great harm though we had done them no prior injury;... I have been appointed the leader of Hellenes(Greeks)"
Alexander called a meeting of his generals the next day. He told them that no city was more hateful to the Greeks than Persepolis, the capital of the old kings of Persia.
(Quintus Curtius Rufus 5.6.1)
come on fagget!\ bring on ur propagand with ur 2 distorted posts!!
"The Macedonian people and their kings were of Greek stock, as their traditions and the scanty remains of their language combine to testify." {John Bagnell Bury, "A History of Greece to the Death of Alexander the Great", 2nd ed.(1913)
"The Thessalians in particular wore long robes, probably because they of all the Hellens lived in the most northerly and coldest region" [11.14.12].
Macedonia is NOT part of Hellas of course!;)As Macedonia is located north of Thessaly it is obviously not a part of Hellas,NOR the Macedonians were Hellens, for the most northerly Hellens were already the Thessalians.
The Aitolians, the Akarnanians, the Macedonians, men of the same speech, are united or disunited by trivial causes that arise from time to time; with aliens, with barbarians, all Greeks wage and will wage eternal war; for they are enemies by the will of nature, which is eternal, and not from reasons that change from day to day... ("History of Rome", Book XXXI, 29.15)
U.S.A.Macedonian you live in a country (USA) that EVERYONE SELLS HIS SOUL AND PRIDE FOR DOLLARS!!! The U.S. recognize your county for political reasons,to join NATO, EU etc to have another ally....they don t give shit about history
But macedonia won!!! Perperoglou(from Drama), Zisis(From my city, thessaliniki), Sofoklis(from Kavala). Macedonia won! We won! You were lucky we don't have our best player, Macedonian D.Diamantidis(from Kastoria)!!!
" Unlike the narrow minded, I make no distinction between Greeks and barbarians. [...] For me, any good foreigner is a Greek and any bad Greek is worse than a barbarian."
- Alexander the Great : Oath of Opis, 324 B.C.E.
If you want to be greek even Αλέξανδρος accept you. Thank you Fyromians for the use of hellenic symbols like the macedonian star !
"While Demosthenes was still in exile, Alexander died in Babylon, and the HELLAS states combined yet again to form a league against MACEDON. Demosthenes attached himself to the Athenian convoys, and threw all his energies into helping them incite the various states to attack the MACEDONIANS and drive them out of HELLAS." [p.212] Plutarch
""He [MEGAS ALEXANDROS] sent to Athens three hundred Persian panoplies to be set up to Athena in the acropolis; he ordered this inscription to be attached: Alexander, son of Philip the GREEK, save the Lacedaimonians, set up these spoils from the barbarians dwelling in Asia." (Arrian I, 16, 7 )
Had I not greatly at heart the common welfare of Hellas I should not have come to tell you; but I am myself Hellene by descent, and I would not willingly see Hellas exchange freedom for slavery.
Such was the end of Philip (II, king of Macedonia) He had ruled 24 years. He is known to fame as one who with but the slenderest resources to support his claim to a throne won for himself the greatest empire AMONG THE HELLENES, while the growth of his position was not due so much to his prowess in arms as to his adroitness and cordiality in diplomacy.
Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece, [Strabo, Geography,book 7,Fragm,9
This article is about the Greek geographer. For other people called "Strabo", see Strabo (disambiguation).
The Greek geographer Strabo in a 16th century engraving.Strabo[1] (Greek: Στράβων; 63/64 BC -- ca. AD 24) was a Greek historian, geographer and philosopher.
"The Thessalians in particular wore long robes, probably because they of all the Hellens lived in the most northerly and coldest region" [11.14.12].
As Macedonia is located north of Thessaly it is obviously not a part of Hellas, nor the Macedonians were Hellens, for the most northerly Hellens were already the Thessalians.;)
There is no doubt that this tradition of a superimposed Greek house was widely believed by the Macedonians[...] There was a persistent, well attested tradition in antiquity that told of a group of Greeks from Argos -descendants of Temenus, kinsman of Heracles- who came to Macedonia and established their rule over the Makedones, unifying them and providing a royal house.
"In The Shadow of Olympus", p. 80, Princeton University Press
....Let us not forget him that it was a TRACHIAN who TAUGHT the Helens how to SING,PELASGO-PHRYGIANS who gave them RELIGION,EGIPTIANS who gave them much of the EDUCATED ARIES the PHOENICIANS who gave them an ALPHABET,and THE MACEDONIANS who gave them the experiannce of glory that thay could NEVER have achived on THEIR OWN....(Plutarch)
Philip II and Alexander the Great Unify Greece in World History. | Date: September 1, 2000| Author: Hare, Patricia J. |
In World History Ancient historians recorded and preserved the conquests and personal exploits of one of the most dynamic father-and-son world-leader acts, Philip II, King of Macedonia, and Alexander the Great. Philip II revolutionized Greek warfare and used it to unite Greece. ....
"Your Majesty", said Patron,"we few are all that remain of 50,000 Greeks. We were all with you in your more fortunate days, and in your present situation we remain as we were when you were prospering, ready to make for and to accept as our country and our home any lands you choose.We and you have been drawn together both by your prosperity and your adversity."
since we are united by the same language, the same blood and the same visions.
Addressing the dead Hellenes (the Athenian and Thebean Greeks) of the Battle of Chaeronea, as quoted in Historiae Alexandri Magni by Quintus Curtius Rufus.
Youths of the Pellaians and of the Macedonians and of the Hellenic Amphictiony and of the Lakedaimonians and of the Corinthians and of all the Hellenic peoples, join your fellow-soldiers and entrust yourselves to me, so that we can move against the barbarians and liberate ourselves from the Persian bondage, for as Greeks we should not be slaves to barbarians.
As quoted in the Historia Alexandri Magni of Pseudo-Kallisthenes, 1.15.1-4
"The cavalry action which ensued was desperate enough, and the Persians broke only when they knew that the Hellen mercenaries were being cut and destroyed by the Macedonian infantry." [p.119-20]
we of Macedon for generations past have been trained in the hard school of danger and war. Above all, we are free men, and they are slaves. There are Greek troops, to be sure, in Persian service — but how different is their cause from ours! They will be fighting for pay — and not much of at that; we, on the contrary, shall fight for Greece, and our hearts will be in it
shall fight for Greece,
as quoted in Anabasis Alexandri by Arrian Book II, 7
"For many days the king lay helpless under his treatment, and the Greeks who had been settled in Bactria and Sogdiana, who had long borne unhappily their sojourn among peoples of another race and now received word that the king has died of his wounds, revolted against the Macedonians. They formed a band of 3000 men and underwent great hardship on their homeward route. Later they were massacred by the Macedonians after Alexanders death. 17.99.5-6.
Another massacrrr First Thebe,than Charonea,then Issus,then Bactria and the resalt is NO Hellenes today!;)Modern greeks are Slavs,Albanians,Turks,Vlachs!;)End of your patetic history!Macedonians finished you before you start!;)))))
Did the Greeks constitute a race apart from the Albanians the Slavs and the Vlachs? Yes and no. High school students were told that the other races, i.e. the Slavs the Albanians and the Vlachs having been Hellenized with the years in terms of mores and customs, are now being assimilated into the Greeks. (Greece in the 20th Century, Editors Theodore A. Couloumbis, Theodore Kariots, Fotini Bellou, page 24.)
In greece not have Macedonians officialy 98% population of Greece are Greeks!;)When in census you will declare like Macedonian than i will belive you that you are Macedonian untill then you can bable here,there,everywhere!;)
His main areas of research are Greek history, especially of the fourth century BC, Alexander the Great, and Greek oratory. He has published 13 sole-authored and edited books and about 80 articles on Greek history, epigraphy and oratory, including, most recently, Alexander the Great: Man and God (London 2004), Blackwell Companion to Greek Rhetoric (Oxford 2006), and in 2008 his biography of Philip II of Macedonia will be published by Yale Univ. Press
"Yet through Alexander, Bactria and the Caucasus learned to revere the gods of the Hellenes... Alexander established more than seventy cities among savage tribes, and sowed all Asia with Hellenic magistracies... Egypt would not have its Alexandria, nor Mesopotamia its Seleucia, nor Sogdiana its Prophthasia, nor India its Bucephalia, nor the Caucasus a Hellenic city,
Plutarchos Moralia. On the Fortune of Alexander, I, 328D, 329A)
Arrian "The Compaigns of Alexander" Alexander speaking to his officers: ".......But let me remind you: Through your courage and endurance you have gained possession of Ionia, the Hellespont, both Phrygias, Cappadocia, Paphlagonia, Lydia, Caria, Lycia, Pamphylia, Phoenicia and Egypt;THE HELLAS part of Libya is now yours, together with much of Arabia, lowland Syria, Mesopotamia, Babylon, and Susia;........." [p.292]
"but Alexander replied that he intended to punish the persians for their invasion of Greece, the destruction of Athens, the burning of the temples, and all manner of terrible things done to the Greeks: because of these things, he was exacting revenge."
"An edict had been published in Pompey's name that all the younger men in the province (Macedonia), both GREEK and ROMAN citizens, should assemble to take an oath."
Julius Caesar, "Civil War", 111.102.3
roflmao everyone knows maceodnians are greeks not bulgarian left overs!
"The Peloponnesian War was a fratricidal war among the HELLENS, a fact that was not altered by the intervention of FOREIGN powers, Macedonia, for instance and later the Persian Empire."
"When received the report that Alexander was moving forward to the attack, he sent some 30,000 mounted troops and 20,000 light infantry across the river Pinarus, to give himself a chance of getting the main body of his army into position without molestation. His dispositions were as follows:in the van of his heavy infantry were his 30,000 HELLEN mercenaries, FACING the MACEDONIAN infantry, with some 60,000 Persian heavy infantry-known as Kardakes." [p.114]
Holy shadows of the dead, Im not to blame for your cruel and bitter fate, but the accursed rivalry which brought sister nations and brother people, to fight one another. I do not feel happy for this victory of mine. On the contrary, I would be glad, brothers, if I had all of you standing here next to me, since we are united by the same language, the same blood and the same visions.
since we are united by the same language, the same blood and the same visions.
Addressing the dead Hellenes (the Athenian and Thebean Greeks) of the Battle of Chaeronea, as quoted in Historiae Alexandri Magni by Quintus Curtius Rufus.
haha if he was greek no need for declare this!that was politic from Macedonia to became important power in Ancient world!;)And what was your answer on his statment?He become Hellen or still after him every Macedonian King was a barbarian king for you?
There are Greek troops, to be sure, in Persian service — but how different is theirs cause from ours ! They will be fighting for pay— and not much of it at that; we on the contrary shall fight for Greece, and our hearts will be in it
Arrian The Campaigns of Alexander. Alexander talking to the troops before the battle. Book 2-7
N.G.L.Hammond's book "The Macedonian State" on p. 141 states: "Philip and Alexander attracted many able foreigners, especially Greeks, to their service, and many of these were made Companions." [The operative word is "foreigners-especially Greeks"
At the end of the bronze age a residue of Greek tribes stayed behind in Southern Macedonia[...] one of these, the "Makedones" occupied Aegae and expanded into the coastal plain of lower Macedonia which became the Kingdom of Macedon; their descendants were the Macedonians proper of the classical period and they worshipped Greek gods.
"A History of Greece to 323 BC", Cambridge University, 1986 (p 516)
"Thebans countered by demanding the surrender of Philotas and Antipater and appealing to all who wished to liberate Greece to range themselves on their side, and at this Alexander ordered his troops to prepare for battle." [p.264]
Why you need liberation?are you were enslaved from us?hehehe
Alexander, in a letter, responds to Darius: "His Majesty Alexander to Darius: Greetings. The Darius whose name you have assumed wrought utter destruction upon the Greek inhabitants of the Hellespontine coast and upon the Greek colonies of Ionia, and then crossed the sea with a mighty army, bringing the WAR to MACEDONIA AND HELLAS." [p.50-1]
Sonceto od kutles :))) nema vergina
pegamk 2 years ago
Da se igrase vo makedonija grcive nemase da izelzat od salana !!
MultyKiLler1 2 years ago
Look at The flag! you fucking hellass
United Macedonia!
Macedonia For Macedonians!
Apokalips0 2 years ago
Macedonia for the Macedonians
MacedonianChannel 2 years ago
LONG LIVE MACEDONIA!!!
Gago81MKD 2 years ago
love you macedonia from latakia syria we are with you
ghandiskopje 2 years ago
Don't fight!
sonofmanchu 2 years ago
Komentatorot e neznajko, nema nikakvo sonce od "virgina",(toa ime go izmislija grcite za mestoto kade e najdeno sonceto vo egejska Makedonija), tuku ima samo sonce od "KUTLEŠ"!!!
wildboymk 2 years ago
ne pisi virgina kako sto preveduvat grcite, pisi ege.
videte watch?v=QFI9FHBg5tQ
cajceto 2 years ago
Macedonia forever!
CassanderMakedon 2 years ago
LONG LIVE UNITED MACEDONIA!!
macedonianfanatic 2 years ago
UNITED MACEDONIA
CAKIMacedonian 2 years ago
Македонија е единственото нешто што го имаме!
МАКЕДОНИЈА БИЛА, Е И ЌЕ БИДЕ МАКЕДОНСКА !
Да го зачуваме нашето најсвето нешто!
НЕ ДОЗВОЛУВАЈТЕ ДА НЕ ГАЗАТ КЛЕТИТЕ ГРЦИ,ШИПТАРИ И БУГАРИ браќа Македонци!!!!
Пиринска, Вардарска и Егејска во СРЦЕ!
SmilJan5 2 years ago
united macedonia!!
filipbozinovski 2 years ago
LONG LIVE UNITED MACEDONIA !!
greeting from turkey !!!
MsMrbigs 2 years ago
thank you bro peace!
SmilJan5 2 years ago
United Macedonia
CAKIMacedonian 2 years ago
UNITED MACEDONIA
TheMovieChanneI 2 years ago
UNITED, UNITED ,UNITED MACEDONIA
XSGFASFDS 2 years ago
LONG LIVE UNITED MACEDONIA!!!
Gago81MKD 2 years ago
LONG LIVE UNITED MACEDONIA
darkodarius 2 years ago
ucenited macedonia ....
umrete grci majku vi ebeme vashe !
ribari89 2 years ago
In Poland Newspaper "Gazzete" on two pages with title :"Macedonia is big like Aleksandar the Great was" for the Macedonian victory over Israel!:)))hehe
Macedonia-Israel 82:79
CassanderMakedon 2 years ago
Луѓе дај објаснете му на овој коментаторов дека не постои знаме на виргина. ТАКА ЗАВЧЕРА ТАКА ВЧЕРА. ПОСТОИ САМО СОНЦЕТО ОД КУТЛЕШ!
shetlov 2 years ago
United Macedonia !
meerkatmobs 2 years ago
Macedonia timeless!!!
United Macedonia !!!
Gago81MKD 2 years ago
Macedonia for the Macedonians!
29Padme29 2 years ago
In the 1930's the Macedonians in Greece were punished for speaking of their native language by drinking of castor oil and were persecuted for expressing of their national identity. Yet despite the triple persecution the Macedonians never abandoned their nationality.
MakNovinar 2 years ago
Респект за тебе брате!
Македонија е ВЕЧНА!
mtalevskibitola 2 years ago
The Macedonian language was forbidden, despite the fact under the supervision of the League of Nations Greece had recognized its existence as distinct language when it published the primer "Abecedar" for the needs of the Macedonian children in 1924
MakNovinar 2 years ago
The Macedonians were also forced to renounce their native family names and use only new "Greek-sounding" names. In 1995, Human Rights Watch - Helsinki was a witness that even today the Macedonians are forbidden to carry their first and last Macedonian names. During the dictatorship of General Metaxis, the Macedonians were exposed to brutal oppression.
MakNovinar 2 years ago
However, the same river appears as Crna Reka, a native Macedonian name meaning "black river" on the maps made before 1913. Kutlesh had been dropped for Vergina, and Kukush for Kilkis, together with at least 300 other places all over Aegean Macedonia.
MakNovinar 2 years ago
Since 1913, official Greece has been trying to banish native Macedonian names of villages, towns, cities, rivers, and lakes in Aegean Macedonia. For example, the little stream which issues from Mount Olympus and flows into the Aegean Sea is labeled Mavroneri("black water") on the maps made by Greek cartographers after 1913.
MakNovinar 2 years ago
what macedonian names u idiot?? ur propaganda isnt getitng u any where!!
roflmoa!
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
With the military support that came from the United States and Great Britain, the communists lost the war, and the Macedonians once again were stripped of their human rights.
MakNovinar 2 years ago
MakNovinar
where the hell where macedonians??
show me one cencus saying maceodonian ethnicitiy?!?!
aaahahha!!
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
Krste Misirkov wrote in an article in the "20th of July" newspaper in Sofia, 1919: "Whether we call ourselves Bulgarians or Macedonians, we have always maintained a separate, unified, and different nationality from the Serbs, and we have Bulgarian consciousness."
Krste Petkov Misirkov :
"There is no single language in Macedonia; instead there are several different dialects which have a close affinity to the Bulgarian dialects and they all together make up one language — Bulgarian. " !
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
Constantinople and all continental Greece were for centuries ruled and occupied by the Romans, and during many subsequent centuries invaded and colonized by Slavs. The Crusades and the Latin conquest brought a large influx of western Europeans, commonly called Franks, and, in later times, extensive Albanian settlements were made in Greek districts. Clearly, the modern Greek must be of very mixed blood. (Turkey in Europe by Sir Charles Elliot, page 267.)
hahaha mix blood Romano-Albano-Slav
CassanderMakedon 2 years ago
cassandrovski
all the wirtters u post keep on saying:greeks
where do they say maceodnians????
ahahahahah still waiting!
post a line fro the writters u post that say maceodnians??!?!??!?!
ill wait!!ahahahahah!
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
Contemporary historians state the Emperor Basilius also was a Sclavonian; many cities bearing Sclavonian appellations still exist in Greece, as, for instance, Platza, Stratza, Lutzana, (The Foreign Quarterly Review Vol. XXVI, published in October M. DCCC. XL., 1841, page 73.)
Aleksandrakisss!LOLIDISSSS!haha
CassanderMakedon 2 years ago
cassandrovski
all ur books dont help u
1st:not taught in unis
2nd:they r not uni professors just writters
3rd"they all mention greeks
4th and the best:they dont mention macedonians!!
aahahahahahahahaah fight fire wiht fire!
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
By the fourteenth century Orthodox Christian Arvanites had made their way into the Greek thema of the Byzantine Empire, which largely comprised the land that now constitutes Greece. They first came to Attica as early as 1883They did not complete their immigration until 1759, when Sultan Murat III offered them land in AthensThus the Arvanites were already inhabiting Athens when the city became the capital of Greece in 1834. (Death Fables of Identity by Nani Panourgia, page 27.)
CassanderMakedon 2 years ago
The liberated territory, covering mainly the territory of Aegean Macedonia. 87 Macedonian schools were opened for 100,000 pupils, the newspapers in Macedonian were published ("Nepokoren", "Zora", "Edinstvo", "Borec"), and cultural and artistic associations were created. But after two years of KKE's success in the civil war, the United States decided to side up against them, afraid that Greece would become another communist country.
MakNovinar 2 years ago
BULGARIAN:
А Б В Г Д Е Ж З И Й К Л М Н О П Р С Т У Ф Х Ц Ч Ш Щ Ъ Ю Я
FYROMIAN:
А Б В Г Д Ѓ Е Ж З Ѕ И Ј К Л Љ М Н Њ О П Р С Т Ќ У Ф Х Ц Ч Џ Ш
adding 7 letters in 1944 from TITO it makes not a "macedonian" alphabet
added: Ѓ,Ѕ,Ј,Љ,Њ,Ќ,Џ
eliminated: Й,Щ,Ъ,Ю,Я
roflmao ur made up from communists!
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
Maybe neo-greek are not greeks. But its sure that macedonians were, are and will be greeks.
YOU TUBE " BBC - Macedonia - A Civilization Uncovered 1 5 " WATCH ALL 5 VIDEOS AND YOU WILL FIND THE GREATEST HELLENIC TRIBE!! THE MACEDONIANS!!!
HellasItalia4 2 years ago
Therefore, during the Greek Civil War that followed World War II (1946-1949), the Macedonians of Aegean Macedonia fought on the side of the Greek Communist Party (KKE) simply because it promised them their rights after the war.Out of the 35,000 soldiers of DAG, about half were Macedonians.
MakNovinar 2 years ago
ww w . veni . com/venko-azbuka . h tml
These are the people from the first commission, who created the Fyromian alphabet in November 1944.
Left to right:
Vasil Ilioski, Hristo Zografov, Krum Toshev, Dare Djambas, Venko Markovski, Mirko Pavlovski, Mihail Petrushevski, Hristo Prodanov, Georgi Kiselinov, Georgi Shoptraianov, Iovan Kostov
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
"WE ARE SLAVS....WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONNECTION TO ALEXANDER AND HIS (hellenic) MACEDONIA...."
KIRO GLIGOROV - FYROM's 1st PRESIDENT.
ha.................
HellasItalia4 2 years ago
In the period of 1945-46 alone, according to statistics: 400 murders were registered; 440 women and girls were raped; 13,529 interned on the Greek islands; 8,145 imprisoned in the Greek prisons; 4,209 indicted; 3,215 sentenced to prison; 13 driven mad by the torture in the prisons; 45 villages abandoned; 80 villages pillaged; 1,605 families plundered; and 1,943 families evicted.
MakNovinar 2 years ago
In Greece, after the Varkisa agreement (December 1945), the use of the Macedonian name and the Macedonian language were once again prohibited in the Aegean part of Macedonia and the Greek authorities started applying terror against the Macedonians.
MakNovinar 2 years ago
moron what maceodnian name???
what macedonain language??
ur language was made in 1944 dickhead!
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
It is one of a group made famous in the Greek revolution of 1821 by the bravery of its Albanian settlers, in defense of a country which they had never adopted for their own till this moment of danger came.
They brought to it moreover, the hoarded wealth of many years. Albanian captains, Albanian ships and Albanian gold became the strength of the Greek and the dread of the Turk. (The Atlantic Monthly: A magazine of literature, science, art and politics Vol. XLIX, January 1882, page 31.)
CassanderMakedon 2 years ago
puhahhaha Albanians give you liberty!hahaha
CassanderMakedon 2 years ago
Yes and the Albanians will split Fyrom in 2 or 3...........
HellasItalia4 2 years ago
In reality however, just before the Greek war of independence, most Greeks still referred to themselves as Romans. Vlachavas, the priest rebel leader who rose against the Ottomans, declared, A Romneos I was born a Romneos I will die. (Bloodlines from the Ethnic Pride to Ethnic Terrorism, by Vamik Volkan, page 121..
puhahaha!Do you know what you are?hahahaha
CassanderMakedon 2 years ago
cassandrovski
not one idiot that u publish teaches in a universtiy only wirte books that fyrom reads!!
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
But it has been argued that since the modern day Greeks are not the descendents of the ancient Greeks: The Star of Vergina is not a Greek symbol, except in the sense that it happens to have been found in the territory of the present-day Greek state. (Experimenting with Democracy Regime change in the Balkans, edited by Geoffrey Pridham and Tom Gallagher, page 271.)
hahaha cry me a river!;)
CassanderMakedon 2 years ago
Geoffrey Pridham and Tom Gallagher
they say greeks
where do they say maceodnians?!??!
ahahahaah!!
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
Google. "macedonia evidence" !!! The list of 347 (200 at the begining+147 after) Classical Scholars (Historians, Archaeologists) that co-signed and support the letter sent to President Barack Obama for the truth about macedonia.
READ IT!
HellasItalia4 2 years ago
" Unlike the narrow minded, I make no distinction between Greeks and barbarians. [...] For me, any good foreigner? is a Greek and any bad Greek is worse than a barbarian."
- Alexander the Great : Oath of Opis, 324 B.C.E.
If you want to be greek even Αλέξανδρος accept you. Thank you Fyromians for the use of hellenic symbols like the macedonian star !
HellasItalia4 2 years ago
The first Greek who had a plan for insurrection and for a liberated Greece was Rhigas of Valestino.
Rhigas was the author of poems, revolutionary proclamations and a constitution
In this document he spoke of a sovereign people of the proposed state as including without distinction of religion and language Greeks, Albanians, Vlachs, Armenians, Turks and every other race.
(Appletons Annual Cyclopedia and register of important events 1901, Third Series Volume VI, page 113.)
CassanderMakedon 2 years ago
cassandrovski where do u get ur info from?
dont tell me from american chorincals?
tit would be from ristov stefov or chris stefou using a greek name would u??!!
ahahahahaah!!
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
Click " MUSEUMS OF MACEDONIA " more than 125 in nothern greece!
Click " Ancient Macedonians Olympic winners list " on Google!
Click " Byzantine Macedonian dynasty "Only greek names.....
HellasItalia4 2 years ago
SIMPLE!!!
Macedonians had the same language, the same religion, used the same names, served the same arts, used the same architecture, the same heroes,the same customs, the same rituals, the same traditions, the same myths, and olympic games patricipation as all other Hellenes!!! Macedonians were (and are) Hellenes.
MACEDONIA is HELLAS.
FYROM is FYROM.
HellasItalia4 2 years ago
Botswana,126 nation to recognise MACEDONIA!!!
Only 4 more countries and UN will recognize MACEDONIA under its constitutional name!!!!
UltraMacedon 2 years ago
ultra monkey
one more veto 9 april and ur finished from the face of this earht,thenthe albanians wipe u out!!
heheheh sleep tight!
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
"The Greeks are stated to number 120,000 and Albanians 80,000. But who are the Greeks? At least five sixths of them, if not more are Christian Albanians of the Orthodox faith, Albanians in sentiment and language, who because they acknowledge the Patriarch of Constantinople are declared to be Greek in point of national consciousness. (The Nineteenth Century and After XIX-XX a Monthly Review, founded by James Knowles, Vol. LXXXVI,July-December 1919, page 645.)
Albano-Slav take a bath!;)
CassanderMakedon 2 years ago
(The Nineteenth Century and After XIX-XX a Monthly Review, founded by James Knowles, Vol. LXXXVI,July-December 1919, page 645.)
December 1919 where r u??
where does he mention u??!
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
After 1990, historians in the Republic of Macedonia soon settled in accepting communist-time scholarship as the base on which to build further research."
(Ulf Brunnbauer,Institute of East European Studies, Free University of Berlin,"Pro-Serbians" vs. "Pro-Bulgarians": Revisionism in Post-Socialist Macedonian Historiography)
roflmao!!
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
"There is the case of Karamanlides , a predominantly Turkish speaking Christian Orthodox people , who were forced to go to Greece although they did not necessarily identify ethnically with the Greeks. At the time of the exchange they numbered as many as 400,000. ( Mediating the nation news, Audiences and the politics of identity, Mirca Madianou, page 31
puhahaha Karamnlis even his grenpapa is not born in Macedonia for who Macedonians you speak for Pontuses from Asia?O my Lord!
CassanderMakedon 2 years ago
Villari, Luigi - The Balkan question; the present condition of the Balkans and of European responsibilities (1905)
There is No Macedonian Race but instead the Slavic populations in Macedonia are either Serb or Bulgarian
dont change the subject u bulgar slav!
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
126 and counting...
UltraMacedon 2 years ago
ultra monkey
what universtiy from the countries that recongnise u teach ur history??!!
roflmao!
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
Diodorus Siculus
"The Macedonians and Alexander backed Coragus because he was one of them while the Greeks favored Dioxippus. 17.100.4.
clear like a day!;)
CassanderMakedon 2 years ago
alexander
we, on the contrary, shall fight for Greece, and our hearts will be in it
Addressing his troops prior to the Battle of Issus, as quoted in Anabasis Alexandri by Arrian Book II, 7
whats did he mean cassandrofski??!
ahahahhaha!!
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
You can think thath you are macedonians, by the geographical situation of your country.
But if you think thath you have any relation with the ancient macedonians, you must be retardeds.
wantedGR 2 years ago
Denes nad Makedonija se ragja
novo sonce na slobodata.
Makedoncite se borat za svoite pravdini
Makedoncite se borat za svoite pravdini !!!!!
Cestit praznik !
GreatKing75 2 years ago
do you now where the vergina is?it is in greece!
soniram7 2 years ago
mai ne znaete 4e ste neshto kato bulgari..no nito bulgarite ne vi iskat..skopianci ebete se v gza zashtoto nikoga niama da imate originalnata makedonska kultura ot vremenata na alexandr..originalnata makedonia sme nie v grckara makedonia..
tipota86 2 years ago
i koito balak ne razbra kakv sam,az sam grk i bulgarin..povece makedonec ot vseki vardarki balak
tipota86 2 years ago
32cm inside vardarskians mouth????
.
..slaughter!
drmack70 2 years ago
I not here the Greek anthem?hehe You have anthem or in Poland thay don't played?hahaha
CassanderMakedon 2 years ago
The future prosperity [of the historical general] Seleukos was foreshadowed by unmistakable signs. When he was about to set forth from Makedonia with Alexandros [the Great], and was sacrificing at Pella [in Makedonia] to Zeus, the wood that lay on the altar advanced of its own accord to the image and caught fire without the application of a light.
Pausanias, Guide to Greece 1.16.1
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
Alexander to Persians:
"Your ancestors invaded Macedonia and the rest of Hellas(Greece) and did us great harm though we had done them no prior injury;... I have been appointed the leader of Hellenes(Greeks)"
Arrian, Anabasis of Alexander II,14,4
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
Alexander called a meeting of his generals the next day. He told them that no city was more hateful to the Greeks than Persepolis, the capital of the old kings of Persia.
(Quintus Curtius Rufus 5.6.1)
come on fagget!\ bring on ur propagand with ur 2 distorted posts!!
roflmao!
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
macedoniaaaa!!!! greece eat my shit,gey lovers..
jebomast 2 years ago
"The Macedonian people and their kings were of Greek stock, as their traditions and the scanty remains of their language combine to testify." {John Bagnell Bury, "A History of Greece to the Death of Alexander the Great", 2nd ed.(1913)
qwertdfsf7 2 years ago
Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece.
(Strabo - Geography, 7. 7.9)
qwertdfsf7 2 years ago
Strabo
"The Thessalians in particular wore long robes, probably because they of all the Hellens lived in the most northerly and coldest region" [11.14.12].
Macedonia is NOT part of Hellas of course!;)As Macedonia is located north of Thessaly it is obviously not a part of Hellas,NOR the Macedonians were Hellens, for the most northerly Hellens were already the Thessalians.
hehe;)
CassanderMakedon 2 years ago
cassandansk monkey
thats is a flasified version u moron!
ahahaha u telling me u transklate dit from greek strabo verison??!!
ahahahaha!
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
NO greek is mentionet in the quote you posted!But if thats make you feel Macedonian keep postein lieing quotes moronikis!;)
CassanderMakedon 2 years ago
Livy, Roman historian, 59 BCE CE 17
The Aitolians, the Akarnanians, the Macedonians, men of the same speech, are united or disunited by trivial causes that arise from time to time; with aliens, with barbarians, all Greeks wage and will wage eternal war; for they are enemies by the will of nature, which is eternal, and not from reasons that change from day to day... ("History of Rome", Book XXXI, 29.15)
from what books u read moron??!
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
No discusion Macedonian used the same Koine language like the Hellens and Trachians too!;)
CassanderMakedon 2 years ago
wow....haha....great victory hellas...paidia xtes i ispania exase apo ti serbia...dn mporw na to pistepsw....
emily3711 2 years ago
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inquestFLASH 2 years ago
LOLIDISSSSSSS
Aleksandrakis!:)
CassanderMakedon 2 years ago
bulgarians
thasitis21 2 years ago
U.S.A.Macedonian you live in a country (USA) that EVERYONE SELLS HIS SOUL AND PRIDE FOR DOLLARS!!! The U.S. recognize your county for political reasons,to join NATO, EU etc to have another ally....they don t give shit about history
stefanos1234 2 years ago
i suggest to change country first and then read books....
stefanos1234 2 years ago
In FRANCE, MACEDONIA IS GREECE, why Fyrom try to forget history? they don't have their own history??
pakahontas 2 years ago
But macedonia won!!! Perperoglou(from Drama), Zisis(From my city, thessaliniki), Sofoklis(from Kavala). Macedonia won! We won! You were lucky we don't have our best player, Macedonian D.Diamantidis(from Kastoria)!!!
123abcwmn 2 years ago
KICK HELL-ASS??
you should rename it now to..
GREEK THICK DICK IN OUR ASS!!
monkeys..
zavarakatranemias 2 years ago
vardaskians kiss our dicks!!!!!axaxaxxaxaxa stupid country!!!!
h00k444 2 years ago
Ventouza Ventouza!
pianote23 2 years ago
" Unlike the narrow minded, I make no distinction between Greeks and barbarians. [...] For me, any good foreigner is a Greek and any bad Greek is worse than a barbarian."
- Alexander the Great : Oath of Opis, 324 B.C.E.
If you want to be greek even Αλέξανδρος accept you. Thank you Fyromians for the use of hellenic symbols like the macedonian star !
HellasItalia4 2 years ago
"While Demosthenes was still in exile, Alexander died in Babylon, and the HELLAS states combined yet again to form a league against MACEDON. Demosthenes attached himself to the Athenian convoys, and threw all his energies into helping them incite the various states to attack the MACEDONIANS and drive them out of HELLAS." [p.212] Plutarch
CassanderMakedon 2 years ago
cassandansk monkey
""He [MEGAS ALEXANDROS] sent to Athens three hundred Persian panoplies to be set up to Athena in the acropolis; he ordered this inscription to be attached: Alexander, son of Philip the GREEK, save the Lacedaimonians, set up these spoils from the barbarians dwelling in Asia." (Arrian I, 16, 7 )
read all the writters!roflmoa fucked ya!
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
Philip the Greek!aaaaaaahahahaha Stop posting lieing quotes idiot!
Alexandar son of Filip thats corect ,no greek monkey!;)
CassanderMakedon 2 years ago
Quote:
Alexander was a thorough Greek, and recognized the future of Macedonia as depending on her intimate connection with the other Hellenic states.
The city of Pella began to be not only the 'greatest city in Macedonia',but a centre of Greek culture
(Curtius-The History of Greece Vol. 2 Book)
fagget from what books u post??!
roflmao!
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
Diodorus Siculus
"A few of the Illyrians and the Thracians joined the alliance with the Hellens because of their hatred of the Macedonians. 18.11.1-2
We "love" you too!;)
CassanderMakedon 2 years ago
cassandovski moneky
no greek is mentioned???
ahahaha trry the book from 2000unis worlkd wide moron from the book of:
Livy, History of Rome, b. XXXI par. XXIX).
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
Look monkey this is pure lie i the quote:
Athena in the acropolis; he ordered this inscription to be attached: Alexander, son of Philip the GREEK
The word "the Greek" you puted in the sentence 100% !
CassanderMakedon 2 years ago
cassandrofski monkey
all quotes are translated by professors from world unis!!
ahaha not my works wanker!
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
Athena in the acropolis; he ordered this inscription to be attached: Alexander, son of Philip the GREEK
whats did he attach???
did he say hellene?
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
"the greek" you attached not he!haha moronikis!;0
CassanderMakedon 2 years ago
you read this one from herodotus:
Men of Athens
Had I not greatly at heart the common welfare of Hellas I should not have come to tell you; but I am myself Hellene by descent, and I would not willingly see Hellas exchange freedom for slavery.
I am Alexander of Macedon.
(Herodotus, The Histories, 9.45)
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
I invite you to come today to celebrate the independence of Macedonia!Like good neighbour!;)
CassanderMakedon 2 years ago
Such was the end of Philip (II, king of Macedonia) He had ruled 24 years. He is known to fame as one who with but the slenderest resources to support his claim to a throne won for himself the greatest empire AMONG THE HELLENES, while the growth of his position was not due so much to his prowess in arms as to his adroitness and cordiality in diplomacy.
(Diodoros of Sicily 16.95.1-2)
only among greeks,not bulgarians like u!
roflmao!
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
haha and before Macedonia conquest Hellas do you know where was the teretory of Macedonia?
CassanderMakedon 2 years ago
yeah i know moron u know strabo?
Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece, [Strabo, Geography,book 7,Fragm,9
This article is about the Greek geographer. For other people called "Strabo", see Strabo (disambiguation).
The Greek geographer Strabo in a 16th century engraving.Strabo[1] (Greek: Στράβων; 63/64 BC -- ca. AD 24) was a Greek historian, geographer and philosopher.
what u on about?
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
Strabo
"The Thessalians in particular wore long robes, probably because they of all the Hellens lived in the most northerly and coldest region" [11.14.12].
As Macedonia is located north of Thessaly it is obviously not a part of Hellas, nor the Macedonians were Hellens, for the most northerly Hellens were already the Thessalians.;)
hehehe keep posting!;)
CassanderMakedon 2 years ago
There is no doubt that this tradition of a superimposed Greek house was widely believed by the Macedonians[...] There was a persistent, well attested tradition in antiquity that told of a group of Greeks from Argos -descendants of Temenus, kinsman of Heracles- who came to Macedonia and established their rule over the Makedones, unifying them and providing a royal house.
"In The Shadow of Olympus", p. 80, Princeton University Press
Eugene Borza
ahahahah!!
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
Myth!;)
CassanderMakedon 2 years ago
Alexander lived many hundred years ago. He was king of Macedon, one of the states of Greece. "
(Plutarch's, Moralia, On the Fortune of Alexander, I, 328D, 329A [Loeb, F.C. Babbitt])
one of the states of greece
keep on posting ur bullshit!
are u not gonna tell me any of ur ancneit historians?!?!?
rofmao still waiting!
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
Arrian "The Compaigns of Alexander"
"Only in Thessaly and Boetia, and OUTSIDE HELLAS, in Macedonia, was there cavalry worthy of the name."
you were close!;)hehe
CassanderMakedon 2 years ago
After this Alexandros left Dareios's mother, his daughters, and his son in Susa, providing them with persons to teach them the HELLENIC DIALECT,..."
(Diodoros of Sicily 17.67.1)
lol they went all the way to peria making every body talking greek!
but for fyrom its a different story!!
aahahah!!
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
....Let us not forget him that it was a TRACHIAN who TAUGHT the Helens how to SING,PELASGO-PHRYGIANS who gave them RELIGION,EGIPTIANS who gave them much of the EDUCATED ARIES the PHOENICIANS who gave them an ALPHABET,and THE MACEDONIANS who gave them the experiannce of glory that thay could NEVER have achived on THEIR OWN....(Plutarch)
LOOOOLLLLidis this hurt!hahaha
CassanderMakedon 2 years ago
cassandrovski i dont think plutarch said that but he said this:
(Plut. 7.37, page 295)
[Greeks wouldnt have misses this great pleasure in life to see Alexander seated on Darius throne if he wasnt Greek himself.]
ahahahahahahahahah!
thats ur end fool!
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
Jean Pierre Vernant - "The Greeks"
"Athens also imported wood for shipbuilding, wood that for the most part came from northern Greece AND from Macedonia." [p.43]
uuuu this hurt too! uhhh ;)
CassanderMakedon 2 years ago
Jean-Pierre Vernant (January 4, 1914 January 9, 2007) was a French historian and anthropologist, specialist in ancient Greece
ok where does he say maceodia isnt greek???!
buahahahhaha ill aslo wait for ur reply moron!
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
Nort of Greece cant be Greece moronakis!;)
CassanderMakedon 2 years ago
Philip II and Alexander the Great Unify Greece in World History. | Date: September 1, 2000| Author: Hare, Patricia J. |
In World History Ancient historians recorded and preserved the conquests and personal exploits of one of the most dynamic father-and-son world-leader acts, Philip II, King of Macedonia, and Alexander the Great. Philip II revolutionized Greek warfare and used it to unite Greece. ....
u know world history!???!?!
ahaahah!!
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
Quintus Rufus "The History of Alexander"
Patron, the Greek commander, speaks with Darius:
"Your Majesty", said Patron,"we few are all that remain of 50,000 Greeks. We were all with you in your more fortunate days, and in your present situation we remain as we were when you were prospering, ready to make for and to accept as our country and our home any lands you choose.We and you have been drawn together both by your prosperity and your adversity."
This is after Filipikis "unite" Hellas
CassanderMakedon 2 years ago
cassadnrklski
dont avoid my question wanker
since we are united by the same language, the same blood and the same visions.
Addressing the dead Hellenes (the Athenian and Thebean Greeks) of the Battle of Chaeronea, as quoted in Historiae Alexandri Magni by Quintus Curtius Rufus.
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
Quintus Curtius Rufus.
u stupid cant u read???!
roflmao!
since we are united by the same language, the same blood and the same visions.
Addressing the dead Hellenes
Historiae Alexandri Magni by Quintus Curtius Rufus
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
I need to say that we in that time were barbarians ,we make politics even if under our feet lay dead greeks...
Feel sorry for tham :(
hahaha!
CassanderMakedon 2 years ago
who was barbarian moron??!!
Youths of the Pellaians and of the Macedonians and of the Hellenic Amphictiony and of the Lakedaimonians and of the Corinthians and of all the Hellenic peoples, join your fellow-soldiers and entrust yourselves to me, so that we can move against the barbarians and liberate ourselves from the Persian bondage, for as Greeks we should not be slaves to barbarians.
As quoted in the Historia Alexandri Magni of Pseudo-Kallisthenes, 1.15.1-4
ahahahahhaah!!
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
alexander:
as Greeks we should not be slaves to barbarians.
As quoted in the Historia Alexandri Magni of Pseudo-Kallisthenes, 1.15.1-4
who was barbarian idiot??
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
Arrian's The Campaigns of Alexander
"The cavalry action which ensued was desperate enough, and the Persians broke only when they knew that the Hellen mercenaries were being cut and destroyed by the Macedonian infantry." [p.119-20]
uuu another destruction!uuuuuuu hahaha
CassanderMakedon 2 years ago
cassandroski:
still waiting for a post where one historian says macedonians are not greeks?!?!?!
roflmao im tired of waiting!
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
we of Macedon for generations past have been trained in the hard school of danger and war. Above all, we are free men, and they are slaves. There are Greek troops, to be sure, in Persian service — but how different is their cause from ours! They will be fighting for pay — and not much of at that; we, on the contrary, shall fight for Greece, and our hearts will be in it
shall fight for Greece,
as quoted in Anabasis Alexandri by Arrian Book II, 7
understand bulgaroid??!
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
"For many days the king lay helpless under his treatment, and the Greeks who had been settled in Bactria and Sogdiana, who had long borne unhappily their sojourn among peoples of another race and now received word that the king has died of his wounds, revolted against the Macedonians. They formed a band of 3000 men and underwent great hardship on their homeward route. Later they were massacred by the Macedonians after Alexanders death. 17.99.5-6.
Massacrrrrrrrrr!!!!rrrrrrrrrrrr hahaha!
CassanderMakedon 2 years ago
Another massacrrr First Thebe,than Charonea,then Issus,then Bactria and the resalt is NO Hellenes today!;)Modern greeks are Slavs,Albanians,Turks,Vlachs!;)End of your patetic history!Macedonians finished you before you start!;)))))
CassanderMakedon 2 years ago
cassandrofksi
roflmoa massacre!!lol
modern greeks r the true heirs of macedonia and alexander ur just bulgarians left over!
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
Did the Greeks constitute a race apart from the Albanians the Slavs and the Vlachs? Yes and no. High school students were told that the other races, i.e. the Slavs the Albanians and the Vlachs having been Hellenized with the years in terms of mores and customs, are now being assimilated into the Greeks. (Greece in the 20th Century, Editors Theodore A. Couloumbis, Theodore Kariots, Fotini Bellou, page 24.)
puhahaha!
CassanderMakedon 2 years ago
Greece in the 20th Century, Editors Theodore A. Couloumbis, Theodore Kariots, Fotini Bellou, page 24.)
where does he ever mention maceodonians???!?!
roflmoa!!ahahahahha show me???!!
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
In greece not have Macedonians officialy 98% population of Greece are Greeks!;)When in census you will declare like Macedonian than i will belive you that you are Macedonian untill then you can bable here,there,everywhere!;)
CassanderMakedon 2 years ago
Ian Worthington
His main areas of research are Greek history, especially of the fourth century BC, Alexander the Great, and Greek oratory. He has published 13 sole-authored and edited books and about 80 articles on Greek history, epigraphy and oratory, including, most recently, Alexander the Great: Man and God (London 2004), Blackwell Companion to Greek Rhetoric (Oxford 2006), and in 2008 his biography of Philip II of Macedonia will be published by Yale Univ. Press
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
"Yet through Alexander, Bactria and the Caucasus learned to revere the gods of the Hellenes... Alexander established more than seventy cities among savage tribes, and sowed all Asia with Hellenic magistracies... Egypt would not have its Alexandria, nor Mesopotamia its Seleucia, nor Sogdiana its Prophthasia, nor India its Bucephalia, nor the Caucasus a Hellenic city,
Plutarchos Moralia. On the Fortune of Alexander, I, 328D, 329A)
u said smtihng about plutarch??!!
ahahaah!!
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
Arrian "The Compaigns of Alexander" Alexander speaking to his officers: ".......But let me remind you: Through your courage and endurance you have gained possession of Ionia, the Hellespont, both Phrygias, Cappadocia, Paphlagonia, Lydia, Caria, Lycia, Pamphylia, Phoenicia and Egypt;THE HELLAS part of Libya is now yours, together with much of Arabia, lowland Syria, Mesopotamia, Babylon, and Susia;........." [p.292]
CassanderMakedon 2 years ago
["The HELLAS part of Libya is now yours", Alexander and the Macedonians conquer the HELLAS part of Libya"
you are close!;)keep posting!;)
CassanderMakedon 2 years ago
"but Alexander replied that he intended to punish the persians for their invasion of Greece, the destruction of Athens, the burning of the temples, and all manner of terrible things done to the Greeks: because of these things, he was exacting revenge."
[Arrian Anab. 3. 18. 11-12]
cassandrofski ur no good moron!!
ahahaahaha!!
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
"An edict had been published in Pompey's name that all the younger men in the province (Macedonia), both GREEK and ROMAN citizens, should assemble to take an oath."
Julius Caesar, "Civil War", 111.102.3
roflmao everyone knows maceodnians are greeks not bulgarian left overs!
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
Arrian "The Compaigns of Alexander"
"The Peloponnesian War was a fratricidal war among the HELLENS, a fact that was not altered by the intervention of FOREIGN powers, Macedonia, for instance and later the Persian Empire."
uuuu this hurt too!;)
CassanderMakedon 2 years ago
cassandrovski
ive posted 30 comments saying maceodnians alexander and phillip are greek and stated their greekness
u havent posted not one historian saying macedonian was not greek
alexander and phillipos is not greek
post one line from any anceint hisotrian saying maceodnia is not greek
ill wait!!
ahahahaha come on bring it on moronevski!
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
On p. 91 in "Hellenistic World" by F.W.Walbank:
".... Macedonians were an essential bulwark to the north of Greece".
hehehe ;)
CassanderMakedon 2 years ago
most parts came from greece and maceodia
rodflmao!
macedonia is in northers greece u moron,hes giving a geograpgical description!!
rofmao fucke these bulgaroid are wankers!!!orflmao!
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
Arrian "The Campaigns of Alexander"
"When received the report that Alexander was moving forward to the attack, he sent some 30,000 mounted troops and 20,000 light infantry across the river Pinarus, to give himself a chance of getting the main body of his army into position without molestation. His dispositions were as follows:in the van of his heavy infantry were his 30,000 HELLEN mercenaries, FACING the MACEDONIAN infantry, with some 60,000 Persian heavy infantry-known as Kardakes." [p.114]
CassanderMakedon 2 years ago
Another disaster after Charonea!;)haha You were executed from Macedonians!;)Today Greeks are Slavs,Albanians,Vlachs!Hellens only in your dreams!;)
CassanderMakedon 2 years ago
Holy shadows of the dead, Im not to blame for your cruel and bitter fate, but the accursed rivalry which brought sister nations and brother people, to fight one another. I do not feel happy for this victory of mine. On the contrary, I would be glad, brothers, if I had all of you standing here next to me, since we are united by the same language, the same blood and the same visions.
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
since we are united by the same language, the same blood and the same visions.
Addressing the dead Hellenes (the Athenian and Thebean Greeks) of the Battle of Chaeronea, as quoted in Historiae Alexandri Magni by Quintus Curtius Rufus.
u said smthing about the charonia battle??!
ahahahaha!!
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
cassandrovski
ahahah 1st of all they are not univesrity proffesors!
ahahahah!!
let see real proffesoros!
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
Do you know what ΚΑΣΣΑΝΔΡΟΣ means?
FREE LESSONS "MΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΚΗΣ ΓΛΩΣΣΑΣ" (macedonian languege) to THESSALONIKI FOR FYROMians!!!!! Its a start......
HellasItalia4 2 years ago
What mean Ethiopia?haha
CassanderMakedon 2 years ago
ha........
HellasItalia4 2 years ago
bulgarian cassandrovski
u cant teach us history cos u got none u idiot!!
ahahahha!!
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
haha if he was greek no need for declare this!that was politic from Macedonia to became important power in Ancient world!;)And what was your answer on his statment?He become Hellen or still after him every Macedonian King was a barbarian king for you?
hehe
Come on greki use logic!;)
CassanderMakedon 2 years ago
There are Greek troops, to be sure, in Persian service — but how different is theirs cause from ours ! They will be fighting for pay— and not much of it at that; we on the contrary shall fight for Greece, and our hearts will be in it
Arrian The Campaigns of Alexander. Alexander talking to the troops before the battle. Book 2-7
i am logic!
ahahahaha fucked ya again!
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
N.G.L.Hammond's book "The Macedonian State" on p. 141 states: "Philip and Alexander attracted many able foreigners, especially Greeks, to their service, and many of these were made Companions." [The operative word is "foreigners-especially Greeks"
Someone is!;)
CassanderMakedon 2 years ago
At the end of the bronze age a residue of Greek tribes stayed behind in Southern Macedonia[...] one of these, the "Makedones" occupied Aegae and expanded into the coastal plain of lower Macedonia which became the Kingdom of Macedon; their descendants were the Macedonians proper of the classical period and they worshipped Greek gods.
"A History of Greece to 323 BC", Cambridge University, 1986 (p 516)
ahaha u know where Hammond teaches idiot??!
ahahahahaah!
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
You workship Israel God now dont you?
CassanderMakedon 2 years ago
Of course Macedonian Kings after Alexander were agents for the spread of the Greek culture and Institutions throuht the Eastern Mediterreanean
<E.N.Borza, On the Shadows of Olympus (Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1990) page 230
u said smthing?!?!orflmao!
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
Plutarch "The Age of Alexander"
"Thebans countered by demanding the surrender of Philotas and Antipater and appealing to all who wished to liberate Greece to range themselves on their side, and at this Alexander ordered his troops to prepare for battle." [p.264]
Why you need liberation?are you were enslaved from us?hehehe
CassanderMakedon 2 years ago
Alexander's train took revenge upon the Persians ON BEHALF OF HELLAS, surpassing both sailors and infantry"
Plutarchos, The Life of Alexander, 38
ur prooving nothing all ancient hisotrians keep on saying maceodnians are greek!
ahahahaha!!
unitedinhell2 2 years ago
Quintus Rufus "The History of Alexander"
Alexander, in a letter, responds to Darius: "His Majesty Alexander to Darius: Greetings. The Darius whose name you have assumed wrought utter destruction upon the Greek inhabitants of the Hellespontine coast and upon the Greek colonies of Ionia, and then crossed the sea with a mighty army, bringing the WAR to MACEDONIA AND HELLAS." [p.50-1]
hehe keep posting!;)
CassanderMakedon 2 years ago
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ahahahahaha before the unification of greece and maceodnia u moron lets c further down the page!!
ahahaha!!
unitedinhell2 2 years ago