Extreme Sailing 19.6 knots on J80 - Yeehaaa!!!

[BARRETAO6248]

gostei muito

[staceyfied2009]

so i Sailed in 25 to 30 knots

[123Afuller]

PUT MORE WEIGHT BACK!!!!!!

[sennalaleyenda]

that mainsail is cristal clear out of the J80 OD rules... anyway, well done guys!! (our record on a J80 is better than 19 knts... jejeje). keep pushing!!!

[thetalkingelement]

i love sailing but i think dingy's are the best. The more water in the face the better

[Braddasbest1569]

Does anyone know what jim saltonstall's obsession with ferrets is hahah someone must know, surely?

[JeppeRotten]

I want to sail J80!

[imherefromtheinterne]

Damn this looks fun.

[MrHobiecat]

Timing the water in the video as it passes from bow to stearn, on your 20 foot boat, you are doing 20 feet in about one second. Times 3600 and divided by 6000 that TWELVE KNOTS, not 19.6.

When your GPS says KM that is Kilometers per hour, not KNOTS (KTS).

[Kospictures]

@MrHobiecat

19.6 knots was recorded on GPS - boat instruments max 21.2 knots.

The yacht is over 26ft long - 32ft with bowsprit. But even with the correct length, your method of calculation over YouTube is highly inaccurate.

Come on, get out sailing. It's a lot more fun than playing with your stopwatch! :-)

[gnilrefues]

@MrHobiecat something else to keep in mind is they are sailing down wind and the water is moving with them so you have to factor that in.

[MrHobiecat]

@gnilrefues water does NOT move with the wind, the waves move, the water does not.

[gnilrefues]

@MrHobiecat The waves are a vector motion of water and it is that motion that carries the boat and other debris. Both waves and debris are the only things you could judge speed by (unless you ca see water molecules) so if you want to get this technical you were wrong too you cannot judge speed by water movement.

[MrHobiecat]

@gnilrefues the speed of a sailboat is a function of its length (primarilly), its max hull speed beyond which it must plane to go faster. This is determined (limited) by its speed THROUGH THE WATER. If the water is moving, in a current or tide or river, the max hull speed of the boat is still the same.

A speedometer in a boat measures the speed of the hull relative to the WATER, not to the bottom of the ocean.

Your statements are nonsense...

[gnilrefues]

@MrHobiecat While I see what your are saying there the 19.6 knots stated in the video would have been ocean floor (gps) not the speed relative to the water.

[MrHobiecat]

@gnilrefues watching the video you can see when the bow throws spray onto the surface of the water, and you can measure the time it takes for those reference points pass the stearn of the boat.

Again, that IS the speed of the boat, its speed through the water.

Tne only time you get a different reading from a GPS or from an in-the-water speedometer is when you are in an ocean current (the gulf stream) a tide, or in a river.

[marksillsmultimedia]

@MrHobiecat - Clearly you spend too much time calculating - not enough time on the water. That boat is doing far more than 12 knots. Looks like 20 easy to me.

[ukrsindicat]

Sick jibe!

[Kospictures]

Ah yes, like you I've sailed Hobie's many times. But if you have also sailed sportsboats at 20 knots you'll know which feels much faster!

[MrHobiecat]

get yourself a 20 foot hobiecat and you can sail 20kts all day long, in 16 kt winds to boot. You wont have to wait for storm surge to go fast! HAHHAHAHA!

[espadaanduril]

I'm translating some sailing rating rules from spanish to english, but as there are many technical words, I can't find all of them.

Do you know how it is said, when there is a lot of wind, when you shorten the mainsail?

All boats which have two masts are called "schooners", or I should say "two-masted boat"?

It is correct the term "long-coursed race" for a race with a long course, or is there an specific word?

Could anybody answer me? I'd be very grateful!!

[healonator]

@espadaanduril 1. shorting sail is to "reef" the sail. 2. not all boats with two masts are "schooners". a schooner is when the shorter mast is up front. you also have yawls and ketches(shorter mast aft)...a ketch is when the mizzen mast (the aft one) is in front of the rudder POST, not the wheel. yawl is when the mizzen is aft of the rudder post. 3. a "random leg race" is typically a long distance race while "bouy racing" is a windward leward course set by ppl..and is much shorter.

[MrDeathRay]

we do 20 knots on 420s

[biscayforce12]

The Solent at it's best.............brilliant

[rs2000guy]

carbon main? for irc? what does that do to your rating?

[Kospictures]

@rs2000guy At the time, racing under Sportsboat Rule and IRC there was no penalty for 3DL. It may be different now as this was a few years ago. They were harder to trim on a small boat but were just awesome to use speed wise - and they didn't stretch so were cheaper than materials like Dacron in the long run.

[flambestudiosllc]

windit!

[medoimedo]

that 20 footer is flying .... lol

[fintaneh]

Ha "ferrets"! Only Jim, D'ya get thee idea??

[Janice11353]

sweet ride!

[BalconyOasis]

Oooooh, baby, I am impressed! That is one tight crew. Trust! Yeah, I thought that open cabin was a bit scary. LOVED the video. Wowee.

[Janusvan]

neat !

best

Janus

[Kospictures]

OK - to save time... Ben's weight is too far forward (new boat - kicker release too short), flat entry reaching kite hard to set, 3DL mainsail used for IRC is not J80 OD class legal, outhaul was purposely not eased to depower main, backstay could be on more, main hatch should be closed, lazy sheet shouldn't catch on the drum roller, trimmer should have bigger arms, angles were hot due to imminent lee-shore. Anything else?

[101thehunter]

@Kospictures When you are having a Holy Shit moment small details are are hard to "see".

[Kospictures]

To split hairs further... the caption was written with metadata in mind (presently 213,000 viewers) not really as a sailing description - gusts F8 would be better I admit... Your second point - North Sails (who made it) describes .75oz flat entry asymmetric spinnaker. Reaching asymmetrics/gennakers is a grey area but it's being used as an asymmetric on this occasion. It's heavier and smaller (by 10sqm) to the .5oz VMG asymmetric we left down below. Wish now we'd used the bigger kite... Kite?

[multitalent8]

Ok, first of all 30 knots of wind is force 7, so it's force 7 with gusts of force 7? Second: this is not a spinnaker but a gennaker.

Nevertheless: nice video, wish I was on board!

[jbkimble28]

@multitalent8 not a gennaker....... check out the spin pole coming off the port side (black) and its coming off the bowsprit. --Asymmetrical Spinnaker.

[multitalent8]

@jbkimble28 since when do we use a spinnaker pole on the lee side??

That's the vang you dweeb. Look, a spinnaker is never attached

to the bowsprit, okay?

[jbkimble28]

@multitalent8 Touche'......That was the Vang. And I have to admit that I didn't watch the video long enough to see them Jibe. My mistake. Gennaker.

[bigkiwial]

@jbkimble28 Fucking bullshit, thats a gennaker, the prod only comes out like that on the stbd side because the designer had no idea how to get it out thru the centre like on a thompson, and it should be able to rotate, like on a thompson.

[skittlebags77]

@bigkiwial Apparently you didn't see the comment RIGHT BEFORE THIS ONE

[bigkiwial]

@skittlebags77 oh, I saw it ok!!

[healonator]

@bigkiwial gennaker? haha....sorry bro...thats an asym spinnaker. most asym shoot boats have pole on starboard side. i used to race against an antrim 27 with center pole build....smoked it all the time. i worked on j80s for 7 years. dead down wind, wing on wing, in 30 knots in surf....now thats fun...as fast as this guy is going...but ddw. try telling the melges 32 guys they using a gennaker while doing 25 knots downwind.

[bigkiwial]

@healonator REALLY/ come race our thompson 8, the pole comes out of the centre and is able to be cranked around either side to facilitate flat running when needed, we dominate, I want an actual sailmaker to tell me about it, as far as I am concerned, as soon as it becomes asym its a gennaker, and thats what norths told me when I rang them to ask as well.

[healonator]

@bigkiwial you dont see ppl sailing deep with asyms cause they dont know how to. sym kites are the past, most boats have been converted to fly asym. Gennakers are flown without poles, off the bow stem. there is your difference. go ahead and call it what you want....so your thompson flies a gennaker...99% of the world would call it a spinnaker...sometimes its fun to be that 1%.....ease out the tack line..rock to weather...theres your articulating pole...and like i said...ill go wing on wing 4 ddw

[zacster007]

@healonator Just remeber there are more than one asyms . Runners reachers etc , now boats are so fast that the need for running genneakers have even been replaced . Our older generation 40 had Masthead flat,full fracts flat full , JT code Zeros . Wing and wing is not the way to use a Gen though .

[healonator]

@zacster007 someone called this a genneaker...i was refering to it as a asym spin....and yes...wing on wing with an asym spin in the right conditions is smoking fast..i worked on j80s for 7 years as lead race instructor at JWorld in san diego..back when it was good. when done right against other j80s...wing on wing rocked...it was also very helpful to have it in your bag of tricks for crossings and leward mark roundings. ive done full plane ddw on j80s wing on wing...same speed as ppl on a reach

[healonator]

@zacster007 also with racing, its more about what gives you the best vmg...and even though it is slower most of the time to go wing on wing, it was usually faster to your destination. its just hard to maintain so most ppl dont do it...and like i said...its conditional. when it comes to boats...i fear very little. i would bet ive made these 80s go faster than anyone out there. but then again..300+ days a year for 7 years on the water in the 80 gives me the edge in odds.

[timmydrift96]

how much wind????

[crasker]

perfect!

[jsmcguireIII]

Once they jibed and unfurled the jib she really started humming - that is the sweetest feeling when that happens. A little weight shift aft might have given them another knot or two.

[neketr]

Yeah! But this is only running down the wind. Not many really considers this as "the sailing"..

[jbkimble28]

@neketr Those who say sailing downwind is not really "sailing" then they obviously have NO idea what they are talking about. Sailing down wind is the most dangerous point of sail. Jibing, pitchpole, broach to a forced knockdown, especially flying a spinn. If your on a boat, and your using the wind to power it.......its sailing

[jmgpi]

This is exttreme sailing!

Great, great work on the helm (and rest of the crew).

[Braddasbest1569]

anyone who has ever been coached or talked to old jimmy saltonstall has to say he's a amazing coach and you've just got to luv the phrases he comes out with :)

[migscratch]

Very very impressive!

[mikrypl]

Extra!

[jimmythekiddd]

that helmsman had to have huge arms!!!

[Kospictures]

Actually the boat is very light and responsive at that speed. My little sister is even trimming the kite. It is the concentration that is tiring - one small mistake and it's a big bad wipe out! Then you need big arms..!

[OlDirtyBizza]

Britiain has always been good at sailing

BRITAINIA RULE THE WAVES !!

[zacster007]

For its size New Zealand has the best Sailors , sailmakers , sparmakers and boat builders . Yes Britain has got some great Sailors Ben Anslie being 1 of them but Kiwis Rock !!!

[spectacularlegend]

wow, i wish i was crew on that yacht

[panthablue]

Excellent footage. The J80 is a magnificent boat, superbly sailed too.

Well done!!

[russiasscorpio]

man is that fast

[minitin]

que flipaos rough seas, y entrenador, estos ingleses son unos frikis de pm

[WARRAMOS7]

when you say 20 nots how fast in that vs miles per hour

[SailFast2007]

1 knot = 1.15 mph, so 20 knots = 23 mph

[00rouchy00]

where are u sailing?

[m1leswilliams]

from the info : " + knot gusts under big spinnaker on The Solent, UK. Nose diving through rough seas an... " THE SOLENT

[newpage123]

that is pretty sweet

[CRODH6]

pretty confident jibing :)

[JonSmokal]

yeah 20 knots!

for me only a dream...

[ckeilah]

What happened to the spinnaker at the end there???

[Kospictures]

For some reason the lazy sheet caught under the roller drum of the jib furler both before the gybe and during the take down. Never done that before or since.

[graves666]

a wasted opportunity to water ski?

[mr1scotty]

Looks like fun,wind and tide together from the conditions.

[Skipperpighunt2]

my father has a Dehler 34 the maximum speed can be considered as only 9 knots

but if I leave the anlufen then she already 7 knots xD

[pemela]

we had 10,5 knots on our dehler 34 at 30 knots wind speed. maybe 30 to 40 ... xD

[tubecruser]

lol 16 knots on rs500!

[afterburnerpak]

@tubecruser

yeah the rs500 rocks, it's very fast

[pemela]

the cabin is open!!!  Oo

[ckeilah]

lol! I thought the same thing. They're just race-training though, so probably nothing below but balast and extra PFDs.

[Kospictures]

You are right - bad seamanship I admit. We don't do it any more.

[getplaning]

Yep, they need to scoot aft a bit.

[NextFactorRacing]

Could have done with the weight a little further back, the bow always seeems to be hitting the next wave.

[Kospictures]

Yes you are right. It was only a short training run (towards a lee shore) so we didn't bother putting a guy behind the helmsman. Also, the boat was new and the standard kicker was too short, unabling the bow guy to move any further back from where he was. It was changed day after this sail. That all said, this is one of the fastest J80's downwind in the UK and at the World's - so the set up is not all bad.

[Dontgupt208]

A gift that keeps giving !!!!

[alchemynoir]

Nice video! I have gotten trouble on a J30 several times along the Gulf Coast...

[spaniardpr]

Yeah j/80s are really fun boats and very beginner friendly.. I hit 20 knots once in a squall in open waters 15-20 foot waves.. boat sounds like its gonna fall appart.. does your j/80s also hum at 8/12/16 knots?

[Kospictures]

Yes, they all do. It is the keel cavitating.

[fanatic278]

Wiked Video, come on the J Boats!

[antares8788]

Very nice!

[USA293]

Ok so it's a 20 knot shitbox....impressive

[tomterahedrob]

HOW can a MONOhull be so fast?Ithought only unballsted multhulls could sail like this.

[tmorrisj5]

will do.  you wanno go now?

[tmorrisj5]

Nice! What was it blowing? I have a J/80 in the Eggemoggin reach in Maine. We get nice breezes, but it's always just a bit too tight for the A-sail. Jerich Bay gives us some fun, but with all the damn islands, we run out of water. I've got to get out in the Gulf of Maine some time and try to get those speeds.

[smrdc1974]

Hey if you ever need crew to reach those speeds out in the Bay, let me know.

[maryalisa]

Wow, that sounds fun! I summer on Islesboro. Most of my experience is 420s, lasers, or mercs though.

[jwhunt3]

I am getting a J/80 to sail out of Boothbay, hope to see you out there!

[Adrenaline552]

that boat just plows through the water doesn't it

[defleppard10294]

check out my vids, we had 40 knots on the nose for 142nm in a davidson 42, last year we had 30 kts up our bumb and we were sitting on 20 kts

[Rcow58]

must be fun

[DisruptiveMoose]

Wow,nice!

[potsy231983]

dude that thing is crankin all over the place, how do they go upwind though? are they dogs

[flatdown55]

nice saling :)

[ernst382]

I wanted to buy this boat for the family but I think its too fast for my family 1 and 3 year old girls haha. thanks for showing this

[manfacinSE]

Hi Ernst,

I have two of them. Sail In San Francisco where the winds are daily in the 20-25 knots range. It is a lovely boat. Safe and stable.Two can sail comfortably. My 8 year old granddaughter drives her. I suggest you try for few sails to decide.

PS. You don't have to sail in 30-35 knot winds to get her going 19.5

[vibratingstring]

It's a keelboat. Piece of cake :-)

[mantingu]

nice...

[JeanGart]

Fantastic! I am so inspired by the sea, I paint abstract yachts depicted in extreme conditions - I love it!! Jean (from the UK - check out my art video, the extreme yacht racing one - you'll love it!)

[vsrhitman]

19.6 knots so slow 47.9 knots i call yeeha

[SharkBite55]

I was impressed.

[joetomamymon]

last weekend i went 25 mph in a hobie

Ps me not my mom

[killdac]

slow

[KBrogger]

Not bad for a half boat.

[thepanzerknacker]

j 80s are such fun!

[mpd2249]

thats a dinghy on steroids

[SailinganFD]

dinghy on lead

[marginalized10000]

If you had adjusted the leach line on the mainsail better - you cudda picked up an additional knot or better...

[bigkiwial]

If you think that boat is fun, try out thompson 8m!!

[SailinganFD]

yeah!

[KASTAS155]

trimarans are cool n fast but you cant maneuver them like a monohull

[KASTAS155]

aaasasas

[asqwzx75]

wow u call that extreme i want in my dads trimaran in 47 knots of wind we were goin 35 knots of boat speed with a double reefed jib and a single reefed jib only 1 hull in the water the rudder was out

[radialsareradical]

you guys really need to practice your gybing!

i went put on the weekend on my friends 29ER in 37 knot gusts and we pitchpoled!

[lapierresucks]

29er is tha shittt

[Kospictures]

We were using a flat entry heavy reaching kite which has no return on the luff. It is a nightmare to set - either full on or full off. A standard VMG kite is much easier to gybe.

[cartman258852]

i sailed in 20 knots yesterday in a 420 dingy and didnt capsize once it was loads of fun and was difficult but not out of reach by the way im 15

[sunnyallthetime]

Why is it call a 420? Do you have to be high to sail it?

[andrewpoophead]

lol. It is 420 centimeters long.

[wellsley123]

Rough jib?

[elliottmolnar]

try to work on jibing lol

[jjttccdd]

you try jibing one of those doing nearly 20kts! im impressed they didnt wrap it round the forestay lol

[elliottmolnar]

well someone could have pulled the clew over like your supposed to so it takes out problems like that

[Kospictures]

We were using a flat entry heavy reaching kite which has no return on the luff. It is a nightmare to set - either full on or full off. A standard VMG kite is much easier to gybe.

[elliottmolnar]

dude i do j-80s too and that is fuck crazy speed

[bunt2000]

or put your as to the stern!!! The longitudinal trim is awful!

[Kospictures]

Yes you are right. It was only a short training run (towards a lee shore) so we didn't bother putting a guy behind the helmsman. Also, the boat was new and the standard kicker was too short, unabling the bow guy to move any further back from where he was. It was changed day after this sail. That all said, this is one of the fastest J80's downwind in the UK and at the World's - so the set up is not all bad.

[Jbarth13]

19.6 knots... thats decent speed. Now if you want to go that fat on a regular basis, get a cat.

[shift123]

cat's can only go so fast, but skiff's like rs800's and 49er's have real thrills. in a cat you get to a point where they can't go any faster, i got bored of them and bought and rs800 instead

[Yoda387]

Congratulations! perfect sailing very good team. Great Video

[ashestars1]

this is flat out gnarly, I'd love to see more of them, upwind as well perhaps

[YmirJunior]

Great video. Please more and with all the manoevres.