Why do we as humans feel we can go where ever we wish and dessimate the ecosystem to fit our wants and needs and then blame the wildlife for making "our" homestead dangerous. Native Americans lived for thousands of years and manged to co-exist with nature. Europeans come to the "new world"and cut down every tree and kill the animals because we want to live there. If we're gonna live where the wildlife is then we need to accept the consequences of doing so. A calf or three is a small price.
If you people really want wolves to exist in Montana you need to start educating the NEXT generation on their role in the environment. That never happened when the wolves were first reintroduced in 1995 and it should have. Otherwise you are stuck fighting people like BigSkyHal50 who unfortunately represent a major portion of this state.
Yea, sure, the NEXT GENERATION. After all, not much might be left by then when the wolves are done. Then you can try to brainwash the next generation of how "wonderful" these killing machines are. Yea, pretend to know what you are talking about, see the carnage, then speak.
Those that I am unable to brainwash I plan on castrating. Keeps the dumb ones from breeding. But I see it is already too late in your case. And you are one to speak of knowing what you are talking about before making a statement.
you herd wolves are in portent because thay are pretitors and thay will help controll the game animals populations right well what are people? we are part of the ecosystm right and we eat meat and we are pretitors we help balans the herds wake up!!!
BigHal is pretty much a complete moron, with backwoods hickle-Billy ideals on conservation, or he's really some teenager in his parents basement, taking a break from his daily porn quest.
Hal, you're a loser, and pretty much have shown us all that, so thank you and your last bake beaned tooth!
This ranchers comments are ignorant at best. He and other ranchers didn't want them there? Seriously!
Um, the Native Americans didn't want you there either, and the ranchers are making money off the land, you need to learn to protect it, and respect it then!
It's interesting the entitlement people have. You use the land like a cancer.
I will only agree that the Gov't should not only compensate a rancher for LEGITIMATE claims, but also provide them with alternate tools to use to repel wolves
"wise wolf" the all knowing foreign god, thinks he knows everything, yet judging from his comments, has no experience in anything. I am sure he has never had to actually "work" at the job that required manual labor, never had to crawl his way to what ever he thinks he is....probably a book store owner......
So, if I'm for hunting for food, but not for trophy, does that make me anti ppl in your eyes?
The wolf hunt is neither scientific, nor productive. The Gov't. needs to protect ranchers compensation, but saying they don't like them there is too bad! they were there first, and it's reckless hunting like this that will ruin the ecosystem, and further decrease elk numbers since it is the wolf that hunts the weak, not the human. Humans who hunt for trophy are ruining it for everyone.
The wolf hunt is both scientific and productive. Every wolf shot puts 15 more elk on the range for people to put in their freezers. I don't buy the wolf here first thing you people keep pushing. The last wolf here died 100 years ago, and the few reamaining were killed by the illegially introduced canadan wolves. Keep in mind, there was no game in Montana until HUNTER DOLLARS brought it back. We don't need wolves in the ecosystem, we have lions and bears for that.....
Ha Ha, to much! The wolf laddy thinks he knows a lot! 100 years, no wolves. Big gane herds healthy, moose and elk plentiful. Now, a 60% reduction in the northern yellowstone elk herd, and it is still dropping. Moose are nonexistant in some areas now due to wolf predation. Loss of game by hunters? Nope. Game herds are MANAGED. You cannot manage with these slaughtering things around. The kill elk indiscriminatly in deep snow, killing many and not even eating them....You, don't know shit
First learn how to spell , moron. Does little for your argument and only proves that you are easily led.
The numbers you mention are furthest from the truth. Over hunting outside of Yellowstone, along with disease, and purely surviving the climate, changes pop. numbers in ALL animals. Elk numbers are not down. I saw moose everywhere in and outside of Yellowstone last fall.
They kill to eat, and defend territory. They will also kill, be spooked from their kill, and leave it.
hmm, older than you, in wisdom and age. I have seen your "wolves" kill elk and not eat them, in fact, kill cow elk and eat the fetus out of them and leave the rest of the elk to rot. I have seen your wolves go into a pasture and in one night kill 120 sheep and not eat one. Don't tell me we need these blood thirsty creatures. We can now shoot 75 in our state, and 75 is not enough. Almost 1 million peope live in Montana now, we replaced wolves long ago.
Because of poor management Hal, not out of brilliance. Seriously, you aren't a good representative of your side, if you can't speak intelligently on the subject. I'm out west quite often, and know a few Ranchers. They at least have a intelligent response, and respect for alternate efforts.
You must wish to have everyone believe that people like you are red neck nitwits.
What side? Who said we picked sides? I am just showing the truth. You "go out west quite often". I live here. You obviously have a "job" of some sort. People out here have jobs, and many involve agricultural, such as raising cattle. When your lovable wolves come in and destroy those cattle, it hurts people economically. For some reason, you cannot see that, yet you continue with your so called "intellegence". Keep calling me names, that is something you seem to be good at.
We do see that, and that's one of the areas I proposed is to better handle the reimbursement program. I'm not anti-farmer, I'm anti-culling of a animal that has every right to be reintroduced back to IT'S original land.
We are supposed to learn cohabitation with predators, so the balance of our ecosystem can recover.
I have spent more than passing time out west. I believe working with people who are open minded is the key, not ignorant ranchers who want it only their way.
While they make money off the land. Like using public land to graze their cattle, then bitch about predation. This isn't YOUR land Hal, and the resources of OUR land are not unlimited.
Take a look around Hal, the Elk population has little to do with wolves, and a lot to do with irresponsible/over hunting.
Science has proven predation keeps herd populations strong. They only kill weak, injured, etc.
Humans kill indiscriminately. Ranchers need to meet in the middle, period!
More name calling, bah bah bah....typical of people who claim they know so much, yet in reality, know so little. On your next "vacation" to our area, talk to some people who are directly affected by these creatures. Try to learn something new.
Back to the public land issue....I am FOR all people using the land, not just the wolf huggers. Now, that means CATTLE AND SHEEP use also. Sure, its subsidized in a sense, its not real expensive to do it, but it promotes economics. What does your "keystone" species do? No much as far as I see, take out some old and weak elk, deer, moose? Sure. But they also take the best, and they take alot, in particular, in the winter. 1 wolf = 15 dead elk per year, a couple moose, and....
If you've tried guard dogs, I'd like to know what kind, and how long did you work them? I have vast knowledge there, and know that it has indeed worked at test sites.
Should be Gov'T subsidized too.
Ranchers also took advantage of reimbursement too, Hal.
The Native Americans could say the same about the ranchers of the west to you know.
No one wanted people taking over their land, and becoming a cancer to it either.
It's not for one group to decide. You don't like it, move then.
more of the the typical "you are not doing it right" from the all knowing out of stater. What I know is that wolves are eating their way through our economy, and it is only getting worse. Montanans don't want government subsidities, but some have to take them to survive. People like you should have no say in our issues out here. Take your wolves and put them in your backyard, not mine.
No ignorance, We don't want them here. End of story. Sure, some will be around, but they will also be controlled. We are not turning the clock back 200 years as people like you seem to think. Is not happening, and will not happen. End of story. As far as acting like children, you cannot see another view point regardless, and you don't even live here....a waste of time.....good day.
I live here, born and raised. I have say in issues here just as you. My family are ranchers, farmers and hunters and I want wolves here. And as far as all that "they are destroying the elk populations" noise you inbred SOBs make both the FWP and your precious Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation both claim that we are having record elk populations here, and neither of them are pro-wolf.
Ha Ha, to funny. We built this land into something more than it ever was, and a bunch of wolf huggers are not gonna change it much. As usual, the earth people like yourself can't see the truth when it is right in front of your face. PEOPLE live here now and we will continue to live here. A few wolves, fine.
Thanks for representing westerners as ignorant Hickle-Billies.
I'm sure the decent, intelligent, conservation minded ranchers/Hunters appreciate it. You all harass them too, because they have actually evolved to understand the importance of cohabitation w/predators, especially the wolf.
You act if though they are attacking little Red Riding hood!
You are just a part of the landscape Hal, you need and will learn to understand, or get left behind.
TRUTH" hurts, don't it? We already have the so called "keystone predators" you people speak so arrogantly about. Keep in mind bud, when the first person falls to a wolf, the blood in on your hands. Lets see, I am thinking we shot 15 thus far legally this year, 59 left to go! Maybe next year the quota will be 150...hmm that would be 2250 elk that would not be killed slowly by wolves. Alot more freezers of hard working people will be filled.
Remember folks, the pollution in the air, soil, rain, oceans, rivers, lakes from cities are killing more life from a micro to a macroscopic level every day than all farmers, ranchers, and hunters combined- don't forget about the cutting down of entire forests to build cities. The city people threaten the entire globe. We threaten only predators that threaten our families and livestock.
His reply to how many wolves he thinks should be in the area is zero.
Many people try to protect endagered species all over the world. James Felton and his kind is a threat to these endagered species, if he gets his way, it will end up like in the 30's where the last wolf in Yellowstone was killed.
I agree that we have to make the situation in The outskirts of Yellowstone tollarable to people and animals, but to let ranchers or farmers regulate the wolves by killing them is dangerous, they have too many economical interests in killing wolves, it have to be an unparcial organisation.
Hopefully people like Shaun Ellis will come up with non-lethal solutions. If you google search Shaun, he has lived with wolves as the alpha leader in the pack in order to study them. One of his discoveries was how packs use howls to establish territory. One of his goals has been to come be able to provide ranchers with the ability to set up recordings of territorial markings to protect their livestock and families.
Wildlife is'nt simular to a farmers economical interest, a wolf or a bear kills only to fill their stomac, and stop at that. James Felton would, if he was allowed, kill all the wolves, and some people do it only for the fun of it.
We have the power to kill all wolves on the face of the earth, in many contries they're already eradicated, but we also have the power to let them live?
"re a wolf or bear kills only to fill their stomach." False. If you look around online, horses have been gutted but not eaten, labradors have been pulled out of the owners home as the owner is letting their dog in the door, lone hikers have been attacked but not eaten.
There are many myth's about wolves, but there's been no recorded human kill's in North America in this Century, human kill's mostly is carried out by rabid wolves. Try google "wolftrust Wolves & People" might enlighten.
You're right, CBC Canada writes "Ontario man killed in wolf attack, coroner's jury finds" .
They also state that "First documented case in North America of a healthy wolf killing a human in the wild", it's probably so dangerous in the "wild" that we have to kill all wolves ................
well, don't know about killing them all, could not be done on normal conditions anyway. I just wanted to make that point that people have been killed by wolves. Thats why we need to hunt them a bit, otherwise, they don't learn that people are bad news..........
Actually all injuries sustained were those typically found in bear attacks, the only reason wolves were blamed was because of wolf footprints found around the corpse.
Feb. 18th, 2009, Ural Mountains, (Europe), Victim Vladmeir Paschkov, 3 women and a man who tried to fend off the wolf were all injured....but, beside the point. MURDERS in what they do to peoples animals (cows, sheep, etc). Many wolves in Alaska, Canada, LEAVE THEM THERE. Putting them in the middle of cattle country who people depend upon for their incomes was sheer insanity. You can "research" till the cows come home, realtity is when you have to live it............
Ahh yes, sorry I thought you meant the other one. All injured? Yeah that'll probably make them a little testy. Wild animals tend to do that, it helps survival.
Cattle country on wolf's home turf, cattle and sheep destroy landscapes , force out wildlife and cause major problems with spreading disease. Brucellosis is one of them. Sure thing mate, I've lived in a rural area the majority of my life.
missed the point. The cattle and sheep have been there for 150 years. PEOPLE now live there. Putting wolves in the mix was the wrong thing to do, and the problem will not go away. The people are not gonna move, and we have plenty of wildlife, well, at least until the canadian wolves were introduced......
No I don't think I did, see because wolves existed prior, during and presently when humans occupied the area, European settlers didn't take too kindly to this critter they had managed to wipe out from their homeland. Their actions caused a destabilisation in the ecosystem, whether you acknowledge it or not wolves are a keystone predator.
If you're going to spurt on about the 'evil giant monster wolves from Canada' I suggest you shut up now.
nope, can't shut up until you are educated. You just don't get it...PEOPLE LIVE HERE NOW. You want wolves? go to Alaska or Canada. We don't need them here. "Keystone predator"? Naa, we have bears, cougars, PEOPLE. Wolves have been replaced. Ok, they are here now, fine. How about regulating their numbers?
Read up some history, there were people around when wolves were around, in fact people were the ones that killed them off because they didn't want wolves killing 'their' 'game'. An outdated concept and really it screwed the ecosystem up real bad. Humans can not replace wild animals, I have 60 years worth of evidence to prove it.
Wolves regulate their own population according to prey availability, weather, health and rivalry between packs.
missed the point, PEOPLE LIVE HERE NOW, many, many more than before, and they didn't want wolves killing their LIVESTOCK. There will little game in many areas, fella. Mostly because the homesteaders ate them them. In fact, we had no deer in this area until the 40s. We have lots of deer now. People regulate the population, and the excess die off in the winter. Sure, a few wolves would put a stop to that, but how many livestock would be lost? PEOPLE are in the equation.
You do realise that the impact on 'game' herds by humans was also harsh back then, the wolf was a scapegoat. After the wolves were wiped out ungulate decline was blamed on the coyote, then the cougar now its back to the wolf because people can't be bothered to notice that they are the primary cause of the decline because they want more 'game' because the landscape quality deteriorated due to overbrowsing. Livestock losses can not be stopped by killing, its been tried and has repeatedly failed.
Game herds are here (in the west) because of hunter organizations. Overbrousing? yea, right. We keep the game populations in check. We don't need or want wolves for that. The "decine" in elk numbers is only happening in wolf possessed areas. Wonder what the wolves will do when the last elk in YNP is slaughtered? Guess the will move out and eat cattle.......
You realise elk and wolves have co-existed for thousands of years before the arrival of the descendants of the Native Americans. Right? And that they evolved to counter one another.
Yes I wonder what the wolves will do when they do something they have never done in the entire history of their species.
As for eating cattle, well maybe said farmer should actually seek something a little more effective than choosing the lazy 'kill it' method that has since been ineffective at removing the problem.
You don't know your history. Lewis and Clark Journals --> they just about starved in the mountains, no game. There really was not much to eat in the mountains. On the plains iw where the buffalo and WOLVES were. Because of hunter dollars, and the local farmer making the land viable for more grazers, elk populations have increcreased substantally. They are regulated by hunting which provides jobs and money to the fish and game depts for studies, emplyment, etc. 70) loss of elk in YNP....
70% loss of elk in YNP. That equates to a heck of a lot of lost income for our state in local hunting dollars, motels, food, and game licenses. This is our way of life.
Your 'way of life' is outdated by about 200 years.
There is no hunting allowed in Yellowstone National Park, and in National parks nature is supposed to operate as is. The reduction of elk numbers is not solely due to the wolf, like you said there are bears and cougars also taking their share too. Considering that the wolf also managed to bring back species forced out by elk overbrowsing along waterways, they appear to be doing a better job at taking care of things than humans.
no its not. This is how we live, and will continue to live, and yes, sadly, the reduction of elk is caused by the wolf alone. Then numbers were not this low before the wolf. If we had hunting in some parts of the park, there would be no problem. The wolf reintroduction was the worst thing possible for the ecosystem, and also for the people who live around the park. I know its nice to try to put a positive spin on it, but there is not one.
Actually there was a thing invented around 10,000 years ago called 'agriculture'.
Agreed that some people in the world need to hunt, but you definitely aren't one of them. According to statistics its a dying pass-time that only encompasses around 25% of American people in the outdoors.
Y'know the first thing blamed for the elk decline before the wolf was reintroduced was the cougar? As for the 'positive spin' that you think is B.S., its your loss for not following the reintroduction thoroughly.
actually, I have been following it very CLOSELY. I live here. 70% reduction is WAY OVER what you would call overgrazing. I hunted close to the park last year, talked to people. 100% of the people I talked to were against the reintroduction, so why are they here? Because of people like you. Courgars? There were plenty of elk before the wolves, we had cougars and bears. The bear population now is a problem, due to the LACK OF FOOD. Hard to backpack in the park due to the bears, thanks.
the "party line" of the park biologists is that bears scavenge wolf kills. Ok, fine, but what happens when the elk population drops 50% of the 30% left? Less kills, less bears. Your "dying pastime" will be around long after you are gone. Cougars? No, they blamed the BEARS for the decline after the wolves were reintroduced, a BOLD FACED LIE by the park biologists to appease people like you. As far as what I know, my knowledge comes from biologists who are afraid to say anything in public.
100% hey? I doubt it unless the persons you talked to were all the likes of Susanthehunter.
You live there. Big deal. You haven't demonstrated anything in the way of knowledge when it comes to ecology or want to co-exist with the wildlife. Fella you should really move to the city if you can't cope with the ecosystem.
god, my "dying pasttime" funds more wildlife projects than your people could even comprehend. My "pasttime" brought the wildlife back, and will continue to keep wildlife going. Your wolves only bring dispair and problems. Sad thing is fella, you many have the books, well, I have several degress in these fields but I also have experience and will side with the local people everytime. The wolves need to be controlled. Ecosystem was better off without them. Good Day.
AHH, another foreigner, putting his nose into our business I see.....Slack? Ha Ha. Funny thing is, they still hunt in every country of the world. Sure, some new gun laws, etc. You mindset that you are a bit better than everyone else is your undoing. You don't deserve the "wisewolf" title. Just another little boy who wants to be a man......
Smearing won't work. Its part of an intimidation tactic that shows the opposition is out of options. Try name calling or hint that I'm a political faction that has nothing to do with the subject it works just as well.
I know there is hunting in every country, believe me there's a lot of damage done by it here.
well, I think your countryman would disagree. Obviously, by the amount of time you spend on here, you must not be well liked in your country either.....the thing about people is FREEDOM is not free. You are about enslaving people to your ideas, which I find disgusting. One last smean, I do beleive there is a link between homosexuals, vegatarians, and antipeople, like yourself.
Trapping and hunting are now REGULATED. 150 years ago, sure, they had problems. Now the money from licenses funds the animals, and gives them a place to live, compensates farmers for damage, and is an all around win win situation. Your argument is null. Nothing but a foreigner who wants to rule the world. I wonder how long before we have to bail your people out again from some evil.........
Hunting is somewhat regulated though not for the benefit of wildlife, trapping is not. There were a number of species bought onto the endangered species list within the last 50 years due to hunting. Only when hunting of a species was stopped does it recover from the damage inflicted.
re: recreational killing. I agree, from my current perspective, I don't see that it is justified. However, that gets us into the topic of ethics/morality and that has been an unsolved debate since ancient Greece as "right and wrong" depends on whether the person believes such standards are defined by G-d, society, self, universal laws independent of G-d or anyone else, etc.
James Felton is a very mature man, and of extreme intelligens, Hooray for him, lets "KILL ALL ANIMALS" that bring cash in our wallet. What an idiot, other parts of the world where there's no predator to take out Elk's or Deer have got a simular problem, they just eat or destroy all crops and grass. How many problems have been solved by murdering animals, I gather we've made more problem's instead.
Would u agree that its ok for a bear to kill a wolf that is plotting or has made attempts to attack the bear's cubs? After all that is just nature, right? I am sure you would agree that like a bear, we are living creatures and some of us prefer to live out in the country where we are doing far less damage to our air, soil, and water than any given city. Do we not then have the right to protect our children, dogs, horses, and cattle on the tracts of land we call home?
Wolves are killers that work in packs. When they see a dog, a lone wolf will walk out near the dog to get its attention. Once the dog runs after the wolf, the wolf takes a jog and leads the dog into an ambush.
I don't know if I agree that they need to be managed by hunters, until they have crossed one's property line and thus become a threat to ones livestock or family.
How do you guard livestock at 3am out in the country where there are no lights other than your porch light and the stars? You should know that when you shut off your car out in the country, you cannot even see your dashboard. Educate us. How?
Here is the law:"Wolves may be disposed of by livestock or domestic animal owners, their employees, agents and animal damage control personnel when the same are molesting or attacking livestock or domestic animals." A permit from Fish and Game is not necessary, but wolves killed under these circumstances must be reported to Fish and Game within 72 hours, with a reasonable amount of additional time allowed when access to the site is limited.This is what our elected democratic government decided.
It's democracy wolf people, they were fairly voted into office. It's what you guys used to get the wolves back into our state and now its what will permanately kill them off.
You've learned nothing in over 120 years. Even after the effects were witnessed. You couldn't care less about the environment.
You'll regret that law, the E.S.A was manipulated like all hell by a person who holds a chair in the Anti-Wolf Coalition. Democratic... yes so a unanimous vote to ban predator hunting by the citizens of AK was completely ignored by the state's governor. Your system is a joke. The IDFG doesn't hold meetings in pro-wolf areas. IDAWC also holds many seats there, fool.
Alaska never had a unanimous vote to end predator hunting. This is a fact.
Quit making false claims.
Where is there a pro-wolf area in Idaho? Please tell me I'd like to hear it. There may be a pro-wolf group of people in some town but there is not a pro-wolf area of Idaho. What seats are you referring to in Idaho that are held by IDAWC? Your spewing propaganda and lies again. Best if you stick to dingos and your countries politics, at least there you can have a say.
The governor was elected democraticly. If we in Idaho want some other guy we will vote for him come election time.
Also if you cannot separate the difference between wolves and children you are a social misfit in need of psychiatric help. Let's not forget young wolves are future stock killers too.
Labelling pups as future livestock killers. That's like me going up to a child and shooting him because he may turn out to be a murderer. You have got no heart, killing innocence. I say that unflinchingly child killer.
let me catch my breath I can't stop laughing after reading the word- "unflichingly".
Good one.
The wolves labeled themselves with action on their part.
For the record I have never killed a child. I have, in the last few years killed many coyotes and recently a few wolves. The ones killed were not innocent.
You're too arrogant to believe what I would like to add. So I will close with this.
"The world we are told was made for man. A presumption that is totally unsupported by facts. There is a very numerous class of men who are cast into painful fits of astonishment whenever they find anything, living or dead, in all God's universe, which they cannot eat or render in some way what they call useful to themselves..." ~ John Muir
I will also ad that John Muir is what the Sierra Club hates and he created it. He was a sawmill manager who was deforesting Yosemite National Park. He later was a ranch manager who was reported to kill any crows to come onto his ranch he was managing. RW Emerson was his teacher in Wisconsin.
We can save the wolves by boycotting beef, boycotting tourism to Alaska,Montana,Idaho,and Wyoming,and supporting the wildlife groups, aswell as writing to our elected officials telling them that we want wolf hunting and trapping banned outright along with any kind of trophy hunting!
Oh my gosh!! How can you NOT see beauty when you see a wolf? I understand about the need of the ranchers to protect their livestock, but I just can't imagine why we can't find some middle ground here!! Can anyone imagine a world with no wolves? They are every bit as important as any other creature, and deserve our respect and protection!
catlady- These wolves were moved here from Canada. Just send em back and they can live there. I can imagine my ranch without wolves, it has been like that for close to a 100 years and we had a hard enough time with coyotes, now wolves are here and it isn't safe for my kids to play on the ranch without a gun now. They say wolves don't attack humans but they sure aren't very scared either. Why should I as a parent even have to worry about something like this now.
Varmint, you do realise wolves kill coyotes right? They also keep away rabbits, invasive herbivores and feral animals. Your paranoia over a wolf attacking your children is just pathetic. You're given warnings and notices on how to prevent such contacts.
wolfadvocate- Wolves don't kill coyotes when there is a calf standing there. A fathers concern for his children is never pathetic when he knows a wolf could be standing in the barn when they go to feed. When you grow up and have a few kids and you see wolves less than 50' from your barn you can comment on the topic. I don't think you will ever have that problem though because you live in Australia, a place with no wolves.
Yes we have people like you who say the same thing about dingoes, which are a breed of wolf (the Indian wolf to be precise). Ever heard the joke "dingo ate my baby"? People in the outback actually believe that. But back to the topic, yes wolves kill coyotes regardless of whether there is potential prey or not - because the wolf considers the coyote a potential food item.
Oh yes about that 'dingoes are not wolves' part. See that was made by a person, one Laurie Corbett, who thinks Akitas and Shiba Inus are grey wolves. You're the kind who thinks that a 'wolf' is a 'grey wolf' when there are many different species - 23 of which have been wiped out by people brandishing your mindset. Coyotes and wolves do not get along, period. Confirmed by the wolves killing just under 50% of the coyote population since their release in 1995. Killing solves nothing, hairless ape.
This was a finding by the Yellowstone NP staff. The original range of the coyote was made minimal by the presence of the grey wolf. Since 1943, having been released from this feud by the short-sighted actions of sport hunters and farmers, the coyote spread across the states and into Canada. Having a wolf around will diminish the coyote presence and allow for regeneration of wildlife, Yellowstone NP research result. Learn something beyond your ranch little man.
Are you now saying there were no coyotes in the U.S. until the wolves were killed in the 1930's? Instead of bickering on this youtube why don't you just come to where the wolves are and protest here. Try the name calling in my town, come to my ranch and try to stop the wolf depredation. You couldn't even take the kid in this video, let alone a guy my size with your doughy pale body and poor teeth. Your a mouth with no action, at least I am doing my part, shooting what takes from me.
I think I read something about someone like you, yes up in the GDR. Shot every predator that came his way and still had a problem. A friend of mine up in Stanmore, Glass House Mountains, uses non-lethal measures like using maremma herd guardians for a herd of 750 head. No problems with predators or burglars for that matter since the dogs arrived. It takes a little more effort but they are a worthy investment. Anatolian Shepherds are decent wolf warders as well.
We don't have any theft here so I won't be needing a watchdog for our posessions. You must be a real good friend for your buddy to tell you his financial information like that. If you ask a guy how many cattle he has its the same as asking the balance in his checkbook. Either way 750 beef would be amazingly easy to manage for wolves especially if he is in relatively flat ground like the Glass House Mountains.
Glasshouse Mountains are exactly that - mountains, highland areas with bushland. Also my Aunt had a complaint when the neighbour's bull decided to set up residence in her back yard. the primary purpose of the aforementioned guard dogs is the prevention of predations. Bred in Italy and Turkey for over 4000 years and are available in western countries as well. Their effectiveness in eliminating predation problems is well worth the investment.
There is no need to disprove your statements. They are untruths. You need to prove your stats not make false claims and then make it my task to disprove them. All you have is internet postings. I have my backyard which is roughly 168 sections spanning in two states. You have only a keyboard and wolves on your monitor. Your a sad excuse for a so called wolf advocate.
You make a bold statement like that then disprove them otherwise shut up, I've given you the source now get going. Oh wait... shouldn't you be out attending to your herd right now?
You are funny. Glass House mountains are like 1900 feet tall at the highest peak. We are in the rockies, there are places on our ranch that are 12,000 feet in elevation. You are in hills, like our foothills. We have mountains here, large, snow capped mountains.
Just be glad I'm not using the various coyote techniques we have at our disposal. Snares, leg iron traps, peanut butter balls, nail boards and so on. Using a gun is a very fair, humane way for them to go and merciful considering the way the eat stock while it is still alive.
Don't give me that compassion b.s. You couldn't care less for animal suffering. You're the type that would kill a neighbour's pet just because it looks like a wolf. Besides its obvious you're really not concerned with the environment or protecting your livestock by the way you gloat over killing things. Heartless fiend.
Compassion is not b.s. Of course I care about animal suffering. That is why we shoot wolves and coyotes on our ranches instead of using snares and just leaving them stuck to a fence. You are right though, I would kill a neighbors pet if it was harrassing my stock as I would expect him to shoot mine. Doesn't make me a heartless fiend.
Aye but it does. You are heartless, you killed pups. That's just the same as killing children - they were innocent.
And by the way you support the illegal killing of wolves the so called SSS and even spend thousands of dollars to kill wolves in Alaska. So you're wasting money on killing, you haven't a right to bitch about losses.
How I spend my money is not your business, and if I go to Alaska for business and hunt caribou for the meat and kill a few wolves/malemute crossed animals there is nothing wrong with that especially if you take a look at the numbers of the porcupine caribou herd.
Ahh so the wolves inhabit areas far away from humans, in isolated areas of wilderness and you still go after them for absolutely no reason other than what a few paranoid pseudo-scientists preach.
The wolves inhabit my ranch, that is fact. I just went to digital camera so there will be a few videos from me soon on here if I can figure out this site.
Coming soon:
Pictures of at least 25 wolves killed while hunting stock.
Pictures of animals killed and not eaten.
Pictures of wolves decaying on our gates next to their relatives the coyote.
A copy of the great state of Idaho's laws with regards to wolves.
Ok, so I understand that wolves attack livestock; however, this can easily be prevented by fencing your property. There are many types of fences that can keep wolves out. So for all of you ranchers, take the money you earn from over populating our earth with cattle and invest it in ways to prevent the innocent killings of wolves. I understand that to you, saving a life isn't as important as killing, but suck it up and do it. I am ashamed to call myself and American sometimes!
chtm- You obviously don't have a clue what your talking about. Do you somehow think that as ranchers we are rich people that can afford to fence our property with 6' high fences that cannot be dug under. I personally would need over 23 miles of fence around our Idaho operation alone at $118,000 per mile thats 2.5 million dollars on my ranch alone to keep out wolves that were not here for 50+ years. Noew that they are not protected they will be trained by ranchers to stay away or else.
they are sickening naive people who kill innocent animals, how sick is that. just so they can brag. they should all go hunt each other and there families. wolves are innocent just trying to survive
Exactly right. Gotta love our government. It's sickening. I'm pretty sure wolves were here before the ranchers. And yes, they do get reimbursed for the insignificant percentage of livestock that are taken, compared the amount taken by disease and natural causes. The numbers are stammering. The 1st session of the delisting hearings was last night in Cheyenne I believe. Fingers crossed and the whole thing.
Oppose Delisting of Wolves in Greater Yellowstone and the Northern Rockies
Call the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and let them know that you oppose the Bush/Cheney Administration's elimination of vital federal protections for wolves in Greater Yellowstone and the Northern Rockies.
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What is this ranchers problem the wolves were there first. He is a very GREEDY man, does he think that he owns the whole west, he should move to the city where there are no wolves. He should be ashamed of himself and nasty things he does, I know I am.
I'm glad to see that the wolves are making a comeback in Yellowstone but they are still being killed by airplanes up in Alaska & by ranchers in the lower 48. It's amazing to me how cruel & ignorant these politicians & ranchers can be when it comes to these majestic animals. They seem to forget that the wolves were here first & are a vital part of our ecosystem. The ranchers also get reimbursed by environmental groups whenever they lose any cattle so they really have no excuse to kill anymore.
I have been under the impression that any livestock that are killed the government pays the ranchers for. Wolves are some of Gods most beautiful creatures and they should have a right to live. I believe the majority of Americans want wolves to stay on the Endangered Species List and they do NOT under any circumstances want it to be legal to kill them. President Bush must listen to the voice of the people.
It is already legal to kill wolves in Alaska, my dad went wolf hunting up there with his friend that lives there. It should also be legal in Michigans Upper Peninsula. The wolves are very over populated and kill thousands of deer and livestock yearly.
Why do we as humans feel we can go where ever we wish and dessimate the ecosystem to fit our wants and needs and then blame the wildlife for making "our" homestead dangerous. Native Americans lived for thousands of years and manged to co-exist with nature. Europeans come to the "new world"and cut down every tree and kill the animals because we want to live there. If we're gonna live where the wildlife is then we need to accept the consequences of doing so. A calf or three is a small price.
mbuttrey 1 year ago
How can one calf be worth $40,000 ? Even at full grown weight for sale.
lisalumi 1 year ago
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bullrider2014 1 year ago
If you people really want wolves to exist in Montana you need to start educating the NEXT generation on their role in the environment. That never happened when the wolves were first reintroduced in 1995 and it should have. Otherwise you are stuck fighting people like BigSkyHal50 who unfortunately represent a major portion of this state.
BloodedGerman 2 years ago
Yea, sure, the NEXT GENERATION. After all, not much might be left by then when the wolves are done. Then you can try to brainwash the next generation of how "wonderful" these killing machines are. Yea, pretend to know what you are talking about, see the carnage, then speak.
BIGSKYHAL50 2 years ago
Those that I am unable to brainwash I plan on castrating. Keeps the dumb ones from breeding. But I see it is already too late in your case. And you are one to speak of knowing what you are talking about before making a statement.
BloodedGerman 2 years ago
Typical, making threats because you cannot make the point. See the carnage, then believe.
BIGSKYHAL50 2 years ago
you herd wolves are in portent because thay are pretitors and thay will help controll the game animals populations right well what are people? we are part of the ecosystm right and we eat meat and we are pretitors we help balans the herds wake up!!!
gary77777778888888 2 years ago
Balance? How can you balance when people have cattle which are getting eaten at a rate of more than one per day by the wonderful wolves?
BIGSKYHAL50 2 years ago
Ok kids, what did we learn today?
BigHal is pretty much a complete moron, with backwoods hickle-Billy ideals on conservation, or he's really some teenager in his parents basement, taking a break from his daily porn quest.
Hal, you're a loser, and pretty much have shown us all that, so thank you and your last bake beaned tooth!
What a Stem'
packmentality 2 years ago
Wolves were apart of that eco system you mutt!
Do you realize how moronic you make yourself sound?
packmentality 2 years ago
This ranchers comments are ignorant at best. He and other ranchers didn't want them there? Seriously!
Um, the Native Americans didn't want you there either, and the ranchers are making money off the land, you need to learn to protect it, and respect it then!
It's interesting the entitlement people have. You use the land like a cancer.
I will only agree that the Gov't should not only compensate a rancher for LEGITIMATE claims, but also provide them with alternate tools to use to repel wolves
packmentality 2 years ago
Go wolves go!!!
stigmaweb 2 years ago
"wise wolf" the all knowing foreign god, thinks he knows everything, yet judging from his comments, has no experience in anything. I am sure he has never had to actually "work" at the job that required manual labor, never had to crawl his way to what ever he thinks he is....probably a book store owner......
BIGSKYHAL50 2 years ago
Smearing! Oh I love it!
WiseWolf87 2 years ago
Hey Big Hal,
So, if I'm for hunting for food, but not for trophy, does that make me anti ppl in your eyes?
The wolf hunt is neither scientific, nor productive. The Gov't. needs to protect ranchers compensation, but saying they don't like them there is too bad! they were there first, and it's reckless hunting like this that will ruin the ecosystem, and further decrease elk numbers since it is the wolf that hunts the weak, not the human. Humans who hunt for trophy are ruining it for everyone.
packmentality 2 years ago
The wolf hunt is both scientific and productive. Every wolf shot puts 15 more elk on the range for people to put in their freezers. I don't buy the wolf here first thing you people keep pushing. The last wolf here died 100 years ago, and the few reamaining were killed by the illegially introduced canadan wolves. Keep in mind, there was no game in Montana until HUNTER DOLLARS brought it back. We don't need wolves in the ecosystem, we have lions and bears for that.....
BIGSKYHAL50 2 years ago
nothing like good o'l FOOl-osophy there buddy!
Wolves roamed here first, whether your hick ass believes it or not. They were shot off for sport by morons like you, who give REAL hunters a bad name.
The loss of game came from hunters you twit!
Did you go to school, ever!?
Who brainwashed you, and gave you your ill sense of conservation?
Explain the science einstein.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
Go brush your other tooth!
packmentality 2 years ago
Ha Ha, to much! The wolf laddy thinks he knows a lot! 100 years, no wolves. Big gane herds healthy, moose and elk plentiful. Now, a 60% reduction in the northern yellowstone elk herd, and it is still dropping. Moose are nonexistant in some areas now due to wolf predation. Loss of game by hunters? Nope. Game herds are MANAGED. You cannot manage with these slaughtering things around. The kill elk indiscriminatly in deep snow, killing many and not even eating them....You, don't know shit
BIGSKYHAL50 2 years ago
First learn how to spell , moron. Does little for your argument and only proves that you are easily led.
The numbers you mention are furthest from the truth. Over hunting outside of Yellowstone, along with disease, and purely surviving the climate, changes pop. numbers in ALL animals. Elk numbers are not down. I saw moose everywhere in and outside of Yellowstone last fall.
They kill to eat, and defend territory. They will also kill, be spooked from their kill, and leave it.
They stabilize herds
packmentality 2 years ago
I have knowledge about wolves, wildlife, and conservation.
This is what I study. You study your naval, mutt!
You repeat and act like the ignorant fools such as these ranchers.
It's you that will have to face your maker, and explain why you inhumanely destroy the creatures of his land.
Why you disrespect the land that feeds and comforts you.
YOU and others who have closed minds like you, are the downfall of society.
Fat ,drunk, & ,Stupid is no way to go thru life HAL '
packmentality 2 years ago
Bah Bah Bah, Truely spoken from a wolf worshipper who has no real sense of reality, just "wolfdom". What a freak.
BIGSKYHAL50 2 years ago
"you saw moose everywhere" LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE! You don't have a f_______ clue. Shoot a wolf, save 15 elk, a couple moose, 20 or so deer.........
BIGSKYHAL50 2 years ago
Dear BIGSKYHAL50, how old are you ??
LeoTheHood 2 years ago
hmm, older than you, in wisdom and age. I have seen your "wolves" kill elk and not eat them, in fact, kill cow elk and eat the fetus out of them and leave the rest of the elk to rot. I have seen your wolves go into a pasture and in one night kill 120 sheep and not eat one. Don't tell me we need these blood thirsty creatures. We can now shoot 75 in our state, and 75 is not enough. Almost 1 million peope live in Montana now, we replaced wolves long ago.
BIGSKYHAL50 2 years ago
Because of poor management Hal, not out of brilliance. Seriously, you aren't a good representative of your side, if you can't speak intelligently on the subject. I'm out west quite often, and know a few Ranchers. They at least have a intelligent response, and respect for alternate efforts.
You must wish to have everyone believe that people like you are red neck nitwits.
You confirm this with every response.
Goof'
packmentality 2 years ago
What side? Who said we picked sides? I am just showing the truth. You "go out west quite often". I live here. You obviously have a "job" of some sort. People out here have jobs, and many involve agricultural, such as raising cattle. When your lovable wolves come in and destroy those cattle, it hurts people economically. For some reason, you cannot see that, yet you continue with your so called "intellegence". Keep calling me names, that is something you seem to be good at.
BIGSKYHAL50 2 years ago
We do see that, and that's one of the areas I proposed is to better handle the reimbursement program. I'm not anti-farmer, I'm anti-culling of a animal that has every right to be reintroduced back to IT'S original land.
We are supposed to learn cohabitation with predators, so the balance of our ecosystem can recover.
I have spent more than passing time out west. I believe working with people who are open minded is the key, not ignorant ranchers who want it only their way.
packmentality 2 years ago
While they make money off the land. Like using public land to graze their cattle, then bitch about predation. This isn't YOUR land Hal, and the resources of OUR land are not unlimited.
Take a look around Hal, the Elk population has little to do with wolves, and a lot to do with irresponsible/over hunting.
Science has proven predation keeps herd populations strong. They only kill weak, injured, etc.
Humans kill indiscriminately. Ranchers need to meet in the middle, period!
research hal, try it!
packmentality 2 years ago
You are the fool, man...
BIGSKYHAL50 2 years ago
look in the mirror Hal, the fool is YOU.
packmentality 2 years ago
More name calling, bah bah bah....typical of people who claim they know so much, yet in reality, know so little. On your next "vacation" to our area, talk to some people who are directly affected by these creatures. Try to learn something new.
BIGSKYHAL50 2 years ago
That's who I AM talking to. The name calling, as you call it, is in reaction to some of your original and ignorant statements.
Typical, you talk shit to someone, they call you on it, now I'm the name caller.
Grow up and open your narrow mind.
Your ignorance is consistent with this yahoo.
No- common sense approach hasn't worked for you Hal.
packmentality 2 years ago
Back to the public land issue....I am FOR all people using the land, not just the wolf huggers. Now, that means CATTLE AND SHEEP use also. Sure, its subsidized in a sense, its not real expensive to do it, but it promotes economics. What does your "keystone" species do? No much as far as I see, take out some old and weak elk, deer, moose? Sure. But they also take the best, and they take alot, in particular, in the winter. 1 wolf = 15 dead elk per year, a couple moose, and....
BIGSKYHAL50 2 years ago
alot of trouble for the people who live there. New fences? Guard Dogs? tried, THEY DON'T WORK.
BIGSKYHAL50 2 years ago
If you've tried guard dogs, I'd like to know what kind, and how long did you work them? I have vast knowledge there, and know that it has indeed worked at test sites.
Should be Gov'T subsidized too.
Ranchers also took advantage of reimbursement too, Hal.
The Native Americans could say the same about the ranchers of the west to you know.
No one wanted people taking over their land, and becoming a cancer to it either.
It's not for one group to decide. You don't like it, move then.
packmentality 2 years ago
name calling.."wolf hugger" Are you a child or something ?
Hickle-billy nonsense, then cries over name calling, yet continues to do the same.
I'm beginning to think you are just stupid, and no reasoning can be accomplished.
See ya out there someday Hal, maybe you can do some decipherin for me as how to better manage the land.
packmentality 2 years ago
more of the the typical "you are not doing it right" from the all knowing out of stater. What I know is that wolves are eating their way through our economy, and it is only getting worse. Montanans don't want government subsidities, but some have to take them to survive. People like you should have no say in our issues out here. Take your wolves and put them in your backyard, not mine.
BIGSKYHAL50 2 years ago
That's the problem Hal, it's not your land, it's our land.
What happens by you affects me, what happens to me, affects you....,whether you like it or not.
I have gone to bat for both sides, to try to find a way to teach co habitation.
Someone saying "We don't want them here", is ignorant at the least. Think outside your back yard for one second, Hal.
It's about common sense co habitation and management.
How can anything be learned, when you' all act like children?
packmentality 2 years ago
No ignorance, We don't want them here. End of story. Sure, some will be around, but they will also be controlled. We are not turning the clock back 200 years as people like you seem to think. Is not happening, and will not happen. End of story. As far as acting like children, you cannot see another view point regardless, and you don't even live here....a waste of time.....good day.
BIGSKYHAL50 2 years ago
I live here, born and raised. I have say in issues here just as you. My family are ranchers, farmers and hunters and I want wolves here. And as far as all that "they are destroying the elk populations" noise you inbred SOBs make both the FWP and your precious Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation both claim that we are having record elk populations here, and neither of them are pro-wolf.
BloodedGerman 2 years ago
Maybe look at the yellowstone elk herd. What is left is older elk, the pop. is crashing at best.
BIGSKYHAL50 2 years ago
You all have not kept the land strong, and over hunting by weekend warriors have put a strain on the environment.
Try reading something other than fiction.
The Earth functions fine without our help. With our interference, it's unbalanced.
Change is a comin' big Hal, whether you like it or not.
All your trash talkin ain't gonna matter'
Take care of that tooth now, ya'l come back now, ya here'
packmentality 2 years ago
Ha Ha, to funny. We built this land into something more than it ever was, and a bunch of wolf huggers are not gonna change it much. As usual, the earth people like yourself can't see the truth when it is right in front of your face. PEOPLE live here now and we will continue to live here. A few wolves, fine.
BIGSKYHAL50 2 years ago
Building the land into something else, is not necessarily building into something better or more.
People who live in the forest usually cant se the forest because of all those damn trees.
LeoTheHood 2 years ago
You have to be retarded!
You make no sense, go back under your rock, stiff.
You are powerless, and ignorant.
Change is a comin!
packmentality 2 years ago
It already has, We now have a WOLF SEASON! Thank God some of these killers can be shot legally at last!
BIGSKYHAL50 2 years ago
Thanks for representing westerners as ignorant Hickle-Billies.
I'm sure the decent, intelligent, conservation minded ranchers/Hunters appreciate it. You all harass them too, because they have actually evolved to understand the importance of cohabitation w/predators, especially the wolf.
You act if though they are attacking little Red Riding hood!
You are just a part of the landscape Hal, you need and will learn to understand, or get left behind.
Stupid is, as stupid does.
Remember that Hal'
packmentality 2 years ago
Ignorent? Look in the mirror fella. The "
TRUTH" hurts, don't it? We already have the so called "keystone predators" you people speak so arrogantly about. Keep in mind bud, when the first person falls to a wolf, the blood in on your hands. Lets see, I am thinking we shot 15 thus far legally this year, 59 left to go! Maybe next year the quota will be 150...hmm that would be 2250 elk that would not be killed slowly by wolves. Alot more freezers of hard working people will be filled.
BIGSKYHAL50 2 years ago
Remember folks, the pollution in the air, soil, rain, oceans, rivers, lakes from cities are killing more life from a micro to a macroscopic level every day than all farmers, ranchers, and hunters combined- don't forget about the cutting down of entire forests to build cities. The city people threaten the entire globe. We threaten only predators that threaten our families and livestock.
mikedilv 3 years ago
His reply to how many wolves he thinks should be in the area is zero.
Many people try to protect endagered species all over the world. James Felton and his kind is a threat to these endagered species, if he gets his way, it will end up like in the 30's where the last wolf in Yellowstone was killed.
LeoTheHood 3 years ago
Agreed :)
mikedilv 3 years ago
I agree that we have to make the situation in The outskirts of Yellowstone tollarable to people and animals, but to let ranchers or farmers regulate the wolves by killing them is dangerous, they have too many economical interests in killing wolves, it have to be an unparcial organisation.
LeoTheHood 3 years ago
Hopefully people like Shaun Ellis will come up with non-lethal solutions. If you google search Shaun, he has lived with wolves as the alpha leader in the pack in order to study them. One of his discoveries was how packs use howls to establish territory. One of his goals has been to come be able to provide ranchers with the ability to set up recordings of territorial markings to protect their livestock and families.
mikedilv 3 years ago
That might actually work. Sometimes you just have to think new thougts instead of doing what you used to do.
Ideas like those are needed, to make everybody happy.
LeoTheHood 3 years ago
Wildlife is'nt simular to a farmers economical interest, a wolf or a bear kills only to fill their stomac, and stop at that. James Felton would, if he was allowed, kill all the wolves, and some people do it only for the fun of it.
We have the power to kill all wolves on the face of the earth, in many contries they're already eradicated, but we also have the power to let them live?
LeoTheHood 3 years ago
"re a wolf or bear kills only to fill their stomach." False. If you look around online, horses have been gutted but not eaten, labradors have been pulled out of the owners home as the owner is letting their dog in the door, lone hikers have been attacked but not eaten.
mikedilv 3 years ago
There are many myth's about wolves, but there's been no recorded human kill's in North America in this Century, human kill's mostly is carried out by rabid wolves. Try google "wolftrust Wolves & People" might enlighten.
LeoTheHood 3 years ago
False, one man was killed in canada last year........
BIGSKYHAL50 3 years ago
You're right, CBC Canada writes "Ontario man killed in wolf attack, coroner's jury finds" .
They also state that "First documented case in North America of a healthy wolf killing a human in the wild", it's probably so dangerous in the "wild" that we have to kill all wolves ................
LeoTheHood 3 years ago
well, don't know about killing them all, could not be done on normal conditions anyway. I just wanted to make that point that people have been killed by wolves. Thats why we need to hunt them a bit, otherwise, they don't learn that people are bad news..........
BIGSKYHAL50 3 years ago
Actually all injuries sustained were those typically found in bear attacks, the only reason wolves were blamed was because of wolf footprints found around the corpse.
WiseWolf87 2 years ago
Feb. 18th, 2009, Ural Mountains, (Europe), Victim Vladmeir Paschkov, 3 women and a man who tried to fend off the wolf were all injured....but, beside the point. MURDERS in what they do to peoples animals (cows, sheep, etc). Many wolves in Alaska, Canada, LEAVE THEM THERE. Putting them in the middle of cattle country who people depend upon for their incomes was sheer insanity. You can "research" till the cows come home, realtity is when you have to live it............
BIGSKYHAL50 2 years ago
Ahh yes, sorry I thought you meant the other one. All injured? Yeah that'll probably make them a little testy. Wild animals tend to do that, it helps survival.
Cattle country on wolf's home turf, cattle and sheep destroy landscapes , force out wildlife and cause major problems with spreading disease. Brucellosis is one of them. Sure thing mate, I've lived in a rural area the majority of my life.
WiseWolf87 2 years ago
missed the point. The cattle and sheep have been there for 150 years. PEOPLE now live there. Putting wolves in the mix was the wrong thing to do, and the problem will not go away. The people are not gonna move, and we have plenty of wildlife, well, at least until the canadian wolves were introduced......
BIGSKYHAL50 2 years ago
No I don't think I did, see because wolves existed prior, during and presently when humans occupied the area, European settlers didn't take too kindly to this critter they had managed to wipe out from their homeland. Their actions caused a destabilisation in the ecosystem, whether you acknowledge it or not wolves are a keystone predator.
If you're going to spurt on about the 'evil giant monster wolves from Canada' I suggest you shut up now.
WiseWolf87 2 years ago
nope, can't shut up until you are educated. You just don't get it...PEOPLE LIVE HERE NOW. You want wolves? go to Alaska or Canada. We don't need them here. "Keystone predator"? Naa, we have bears, cougars, PEOPLE. Wolves have been replaced. Ok, they are here now, fine. How about regulating their numbers?
BIGSKYHAL50 2 years ago
BigSkyHalo50.
Read up some history, there were people around when wolves were around, in fact people were the ones that killed them off because they didn't want wolves killing 'their' 'game'. An outdated concept and really it screwed the ecosystem up real bad. Humans can not replace wild animals, I have 60 years worth of evidence to prove it.
Wolves regulate their own population according to prey availability, weather, health and rivalry between packs.
WiseWolf87 2 years ago
missed the point, PEOPLE LIVE HERE NOW, many, many more than before, and they didn't want wolves killing their LIVESTOCK. There will little game in many areas, fella. Mostly because the homesteaders ate them them. In fact, we had no deer in this area until the 40s. We have lots of deer now. People regulate the population, and the excess die off in the winter. Sure, a few wolves would put a stop to that, but how many livestock would be lost? PEOPLE are in the equation.
BIGSKYHAL50 2 years ago
You do realise that the impact on 'game' herds by humans was also harsh back then, the wolf was a scapegoat. After the wolves were wiped out ungulate decline was blamed on the coyote, then the cougar now its back to the wolf because people can't be bothered to notice that they are the primary cause of the decline because they want more 'game' because the landscape quality deteriorated due to overbrowsing. Livestock losses can not be stopped by killing, its been tried and has repeatedly failed.
WiseWolf87 2 years ago
Game herds are here (in the west) because of hunter organizations. Overbrousing? yea, right. We keep the game populations in check. We don't need or want wolves for that. The "decine" in elk numbers is only happening in wolf possessed areas. Wonder what the wolves will do when the last elk in YNP is slaughtered? Guess the will move out and eat cattle.......
BIGSKYHAL50 2 years ago
You realise elk and wolves have co-existed for thousands of years before the arrival of the descendants of the Native Americans. Right? And that they evolved to counter one another.
Yes I wonder what the wolves will do when they do something they have never done in the entire history of their species.
As for eating cattle, well maybe said farmer should actually seek something a little more effective than choosing the lazy 'kill it' method that has since been ineffective at removing the problem.
WiseWolf87 2 years ago
You don't know your history. Lewis and Clark Journals --> they just about starved in the mountains, no game. There really was not much to eat in the mountains. On the plains iw where the buffalo and WOLVES were. Because of hunter dollars, and the local farmer making the land viable for more grazers, elk populations have increcreased substantally. They are regulated by hunting which provides jobs and money to the fish and game depts for studies, emplyment, etc. 70) loss of elk in YNP....
BIGSKYHAL50 2 years ago
70% loss of elk in YNP. That equates to a heck of a lot of lost income for our state in local hunting dollars, motels, food, and game licenses. This is our way of life.
BIGSKYHAL50 2 years ago
Your 'way of life' is outdated by about 200 years.
There is no hunting allowed in Yellowstone National Park, and in National parks nature is supposed to operate as is. The reduction of elk numbers is not solely due to the wolf, like you said there are bears and cougars also taking their share too. Considering that the wolf also managed to bring back species forced out by elk overbrowsing along waterways, they appear to be doing a better job at taking care of things than humans.
WiseWolf87 2 years ago
no its not. This is how we live, and will continue to live, and yes, sadly, the reduction of elk is caused by the wolf alone. Then numbers were not this low before the wolf. If we had hunting in some parts of the park, there would be no problem. The wolf reintroduction was the worst thing possible for the ecosystem, and also for the people who live around the park. I know its nice to try to put a positive spin on it, but there is not one.
BIGSKYHAL50 2 years ago
Actually there was a thing invented around 10,000 years ago called 'agriculture'.
Agreed that some people in the world need to hunt, but you definitely aren't one of them. According to statistics its a dying pass-time that only encompasses around 25% of American people in the outdoors.
Y'know the first thing blamed for the elk decline before the wolf was reintroduced was the cougar? As for the 'positive spin' that you think is B.S., its your loss for not following the reintroduction thoroughly.
WiseWolf87 2 years ago
actually, I have been following it very CLOSELY. I live here. 70% reduction is WAY OVER what you would call overgrazing. I hunted close to the park last year, talked to people. 100% of the people I talked to were against the reintroduction, so why are they here? Because of people like you. Courgars? There were plenty of elk before the wolves, we had cougars and bears. The bear population now is a problem, due to the LACK OF FOOD. Hard to backpack in the park due to the bears, thanks.
BIGSKYHAL50 2 years ago
the "party line" of the park biologists is that bears scavenge wolf kills. Ok, fine, but what happens when the elk population drops 50% of the 30% left? Less kills, less bears. Your "dying pastime" will be around long after you are gone. Cougars? No, they blamed the BEARS for the decline after the wolves were reintroduced, a BOLD FACED LIE by the park biologists to appease people like you. As far as what I know, my knowledge comes from biologists who are afraid to say anything in public.
BIGSKYHAL50 2 years ago
Really? I heard from another it was cougars... but the fact remains if its not one scapegoat its another.
WiseWolf87 2 years ago
100% hey? I doubt it unless the persons you talked to were all the likes of Susanthehunter.
You live there. Big deal. You haven't demonstrated anything in the way of knowledge when it comes to ecology or want to co-exist with the wildlife. Fella you should really move to the city if you can't cope with the ecosystem.
WiseWolf87 2 years ago
god, my "dying pasttime" funds more wildlife projects than your people could even comprehend. My "pasttime" brought the wildlife back, and will continue to keep wildlife going. Your wolves only bring dispair and problems. Sad thing is fella, you many have the books, well, I have several degress in these fields but I also have experience and will side with the local people everytime. The wolves need to be controlled. Ecosystem was better off without them. Good Day.
BIGSKYHAL50 2 years ago
Degrees?
Woah education in America is slack...
WiseWolf87 2 years ago
AHH, another foreigner, putting his nose into our business I see.....Slack? Ha Ha. Funny thing is, they still hunt in every country of the world. Sure, some new gun laws, etc. You mindset that you are a bit better than everyone else is your undoing. You don't deserve the "wisewolf" title. Just another little boy who wants to be a man......
BIGSKYHAL50 2 years ago
Smearing won't work. Its part of an intimidation tactic that shows the opposition is out of options. Try name calling or hint that I'm a political faction that has nothing to do with the subject it works just as well.
I know there is hunting in every country, believe me there's a lot of damage done by it here.
WiseWolf87 2 years ago
well, I think your countryman would disagree. Obviously, by the amount of time you spend on here, you must not be well liked in your country either.....the thing about people is FREEDOM is not free. You are about enslaving people to your ideas, which I find disgusting. One last smean, I do beleive there is a link between homosexuals, vegatarians, and antipeople, like yourself.
BIGSKYHAL50 2 years ago
Wow, that was it?
Really I was expecting more and the word you were looking for was 'misanthropic'... which is hardly the case.
WiseWolf87 2 years ago
Shall I list the species destroyed by commercial hunting and trapping?
WiseWolf87 2 years ago
Trapping and hunting are now REGULATED. 150 years ago, sure, they had problems. Now the money from licenses funds the animals, and gives them a place to live, compensates farmers for damage, and is an all around win win situation. Your argument is null. Nothing but a foreigner who wants to rule the world. I wonder how long before we have to bail your people out again from some evil.........
BIGSKYHAL50 2 years ago
Hunting is somewhat regulated though not for the benefit of wildlife, trapping is not. There were a number of species bought onto the endangered species list within the last 50 years due to hunting. Only when hunting of a species was stopped does it recover from the damage inflicted.
The money given is not done out of charity.
WiseWolf87 2 years ago
Usually wolves will abanden their prey if they are disturbed by human, especially the gray wolf act that way.
LeoTheHood 3 years ago
not my experience. In the old days, when they were poisoned, maybe, but not today.
BIGSKYHAL50 2 years ago
re: recreational killing. I agree, from my current perspective, I don't see that it is justified. However, that gets us into the topic of ethics/morality and that has been an unsolved debate since ancient Greece as "right and wrong" depends on whether the person believes such standards are defined by G-d, society, self, universal laws independent of G-d or anyone else, etc.
mikedilv 3 years ago
James Felton is a very mature man, and of extreme intelligens, Hooray for him, lets "KILL ALL ANIMALS" that bring cash in our wallet. What an idiot, other parts of the world where there's no predator to take out Elk's or Deer have got a simular problem, they just eat or destroy all crops and grass. How many problems have been solved by murdering animals, I gather we've made more problem's instead.
LeoTheHood 3 years ago
Would u agree that its ok for a bear to kill a wolf that is plotting or has made attempts to attack the bear's cubs? After all that is just nature, right? I am sure you would agree that like a bear, we are living creatures and some of us prefer to live out in the country where we are doing far less damage to our air, soil, and water than any given city. Do we not then have the right to protect our children, dogs, horses, and cattle on the tracts of land we call home?
mikedilv 3 years ago
Why don't they use guard dogs like they do in Europe? they have used dogs for thousands of years
balto4 3 years ago
Wolves are killers that work in packs. When they see a dog, a lone wolf will walk out near the dog to get its attention. Once the dog runs after the wolf, the wolf takes a jog and leads the dog into an ambush.
mikedilv 3 years ago
wolves are good to have in the park, but they are a bit out of control, and should be managed by hunters.
03Ranger4x2 3 years ago
I don't know if I agree that they need to be managed by hunters, until they have crossed one's property line and thus become a threat to ones livestock or family.
mikedilv 3 years ago
I think so. Than the chance of having problems is lower. I do however think they should remain their.
03Ranger4x2 3 years ago
Kill a wolve. Safe 100 Elk.
williamsone2006 3 years ago
James is a retard. D:<
Watch your cattle and sheep better! that just means your a horrible farmer.
I grew up on a farm their were wolves around the area. Did my Dad try to shoot at any of them? No, We just gaurded our livestock better.
Something like shooting a wolf because your too much of a idiot to watch your livestock is your fault, that makes you a bad farmer.
Long live the Wolfves.
DannyHeavenly 3 years ago
How do you guard livestock at 3am out in the country where there are no lights other than your porch light and the stars? You should know that when you shut off your car out in the country, you cannot even see your dashboard. Educate us. How?
mikedilv 3 years ago
Here is the law:"Wolves may be disposed of by livestock or domestic animal owners, their employees, agents and animal damage control personnel when the same are molesting or attacking livestock or domestic animals." A permit from Fish and Game is not necessary, but wolves killed under these circumstances must be reported to Fish and Game within 72 hours, with a reasonable amount of additional time allowed when access to the site is limited.This is what our elected democratic government decided.
varmintslayer1 3 years ago
It's democracy wolf people, they were fairly voted into office. It's what you guys used to get the wolves back into our state and now its what will permanately kill them off.
varmintslayer1 3 years ago
You've learned nothing in over 120 years. Even after the effects were witnessed. You couldn't care less about the environment.
You'll regret that law, the E.S.A was manipulated like all hell by a person who holds a chair in the Anti-Wolf Coalition. Democratic... yes so a unanimous vote to ban predator hunting by the citizens of AK was completely ignored by the state's governor. Your system is a joke. The IDFG doesn't hold meetings in pro-wolf areas. IDAWC also holds many seats there, fool.
WolfAdvocate 3 years ago
Alaska never had a unanimous vote to end predator hunting. This is a fact.
Quit making false claims.
Where is there a pro-wolf area in Idaho? Please tell me I'd like to hear it. There may be a pro-wolf group of people in some town but there is not a pro-wolf area of Idaho. What seats are you referring to in Idaho that are held by IDAWC? Your spewing propaganda and lies again. Best if you stick to dingos and your countries politics, at least there you can have a say.
varmintslayer1 3 years ago
The governor is part of the IDAWC. Several Representatives, outfitters and Ranching lobbies. Its called an international interest you bigot.
WolfAdvocate 3 years ago
The governor was elected democraticly. If we in Idaho want some other guy we will vote for him come election time.
Also if you cannot separate the difference between wolves and children you are a social misfit in need of psychiatric help. Let's not forget young wolves are future stock killers too.
varmintslayer1 3 years ago
Labelling pups as future livestock killers. That's like me going up to a child and shooting him because he may turn out to be a murderer. You have got no heart, killing innocence. I say that unflinchingly child killer.
WolfAdvocate 3 years ago
let me catch my breath I can't stop laughing after reading the word- "unflichingly".
Good one.
The wolves labeled themselves with action on their part.
For the record I have never killed a child. I have, in the last few years killed many coyotes and recently a few wolves. The ones killed were not innocent.
varmintslayer1 3 years ago
Heartless creep.
WolfAdvocate 3 years ago
Why continue to call me names when we simply do not agree on a subject?
varmintslayer1 3 years ago
You put of a good fight and I think you win. I agree with you 110%!
03Ranger4x2 3 years ago
Why do you continue to make comparisons between wolves and humans? There are none.
varmintslayer1 3 years ago
You're too arrogant to believe what I would like to add. So I will close with this.
"The world we are told was made for man. A presumption that is totally unsupported by facts. There is a very numerous class of men who are cast into painful fits of astonishment whenever they find anything, living or dead, in all God's universe, which they cannot eat or render in some way what they call useful to themselves..." ~ John Muir
WolfAdvocate 3 years ago
I will close with this for now:
"To know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived. This is to have succeeded." -- R.W. Emerson
varmintslayer1 3 years ago
I will also ad that John Muir is what the Sierra Club hates and he created it. He was a sawmill manager who was deforesting Yosemite National Park. He later was a ranch manager who was reported to kill any crows to come onto his ranch he was managing. RW Emerson was his teacher in Wisconsin.
varmintslayer1 3 years ago
I just hope and pray the wolves will be saved.
thewolf251982 3 years ago
We can save the wolves by boycotting beef, boycotting tourism to Alaska,Montana,Idaho,and Wyoming,and supporting the wildlife groups, aswell as writing to our elected officials telling them that we want wolf hunting and trapping banned outright along with any kind of trophy hunting!
thewolf251982 3 years ago
Oh my gosh!! How can you NOT see beauty when you see a wolf? I understand about the need of the ranchers to protect their livestock, but I just can't imagine why we can't find some middle ground here!! Can anyone imagine a world with no wolves? They are every bit as important as any other creature, and deserve our respect and protection!
L.M.
catladylovescats 3 years ago
catlady- These wolves were moved here from Canada. Just send em back and they can live there. I can imagine my ranch without wolves, it has been like that for close to a 100 years and we had a hard enough time with coyotes, now wolves are here and it isn't safe for my kids to play on the ranch without a gun now. They say wolves don't attack humans but they sure aren't very scared either. Why should I as a parent even have to worry about something like this now.
varmintslayer1 3 years ago
Varmint, you do realise wolves kill coyotes right? They also keep away rabbits, invasive herbivores and feral animals. Your paranoia over a wolf attacking your children is just pathetic. You're given warnings and notices on how to prevent such contacts.
WolfAdvocate 3 years ago
wolfadvocate- Wolves don't kill coyotes when there is a calf standing there. A fathers concern for his children is never pathetic when he knows a wolf could be standing in the barn when they go to feed. When you grow up and have a few kids and you see wolves less than 50' from your barn you can comment on the topic. I don't think you will ever have that problem though because you live in Australia, a place with no wolves.
varmintslayer1 3 years ago
Yes we have people like you who say the same thing about dingoes, which are a breed of wolf (the Indian wolf to be precise). Ever heard the joke "dingo ate my baby"? People in the outback actually believe that. But back to the topic, yes wolves kill coyotes regardless of whether there is potential prey or not - because the wolf considers the coyote a potential food item.
WolfAdvocate 3 years ago
I find more dead heffers than dead coyotes, unless I shoot the coyotes.
Dingo's are not wolves anymore than a domestic dog is a wolf. Two completely different animals in size and nature.
If you think the wolf is going to kill a coyote when there is a calf standing there your nuts. It just doesn't happen that way.
varmintslayer1 3 years ago
Oh yes about that 'dingoes are not wolves' part. See that was made by a person, one Laurie Corbett, who thinks Akitas and Shiba Inus are grey wolves. You're the kind who thinks that a 'wolf' is a 'grey wolf' when there are many different species - 23 of which have been wiped out by people brandishing your mindset. Coyotes and wolves do not get along, period. Confirmed by the wolves killing just under 50% of the coyote population since their release in 1995. Killing solves nothing, hairless ape.
WolfAdvocate 3 years ago
Wolves have not killed 50% of the coyotes. That is a baseless claim that is also not true. Why continue with the exagerations and untruths?
varmintslayer1 3 years ago
Disprove it then.
This was a finding by the Yellowstone NP staff. The original range of the coyote was made minimal by the presence of the grey wolf. Since 1943, having been released from this feud by the short-sighted actions of sport hunters and farmers, the coyote spread across the states and into Canada. Having a wolf around will diminish the coyote presence and allow for regeneration of wildlife, Yellowstone NP research result. Learn something beyond your ranch little man.
WolfAdvocate 3 years ago
Are you now saying there were no coyotes in the U.S. until the wolves were killed in the 1930's? Instead of bickering on this youtube why don't you just come to where the wolves are and protest here. Try the name calling in my town, come to my ranch and try to stop the wolf depredation. You couldn't even take the kid in this video, let alone a guy my size with your doughy pale body and poor teeth. Your a mouth with no action, at least I am doing my part, shooting what takes from me.
varmintslayer1 3 years ago
There were fewer, not 0.
I think I read something about someone like you, yes up in the GDR. Shot every predator that came his way and still had a problem. A friend of mine up in Stanmore, Glass House Mountains, uses non-lethal measures like using maremma herd guardians for a herd of 750 head. No problems with predators or burglars for that matter since the dogs arrived. It takes a little more effort but they are a worthy investment. Anatolian Shepherds are decent wolf warders as well.
WolfAdvocate 3 years ago
We don't have any theft here so I won't be needing a watchdog for our posessions. You must be a real good friend for your buddy to tell you his financial information like that. If you ask a guy how many cattle he has its the same as asking the balance in his checkbook. Either way 750 beef would be amazingly easy to manage for wolves especially if he is in relatively flat ground like the Glass House Mountains.
varmintslayer1 3 years ago
Glasshouse Mountains are exactly that - mountains, highland areas with bushland. Also my Aunt had a complaint when the neighbour's bull decided to set up residence in her back yard. the primary purpose of the aforementioned guard dogs is the prevention of predations. Bred in Italy and Turkey for over 4000 years and are available in western countries as well. Their effectiveness in eliminating predation problems is well worth the investment.
WolfAdvocate 3 years ago
*rolls eyes*
Well that is your loss. Try farming in a place where it doesn't rain for 6 years.
WolfAdvocate 3 years ago
There is no need to disprove your statements. They are untruths. You need to prove your stats not make false claims and then make it my task to disprove them. All you have is internet postings. I have my backyard which is roughly 168 sections spanning in two states. You have only a keyboard and wolves on your monitor. Your a sad excuse for a so called wolf advocate.
varmintslayer1 3 years ago
You make a bold statement like that then disprove them otherwise shut up, I've given you the source now get going. Oh wait... shouldn't you be out attending to your herd right now?
WolfAdvocate 3 years ago
Its dark here right now. Tough to be wandering around on horseback by flashlight.
varmintslayer1 3 years ago
That never stopped anyone.
WolfAdvocate 3 years ago
You are funny. Glass House mountains are like 1900 feet tall at the highest peak. We are in the rockies, there are places on our ranch that are 12,000 feet in elevation. You are in hills, like our foothills. We have mountains here, large, snow capped mountains.
varmintslayer1 3 years ago
Spoken like a Texan.
WolfAdvocate 3 years ago
Just be glad I'm not using the various coyote techniques we have at our disposal. Snares, leg iron traps, peanut butter balls, nail boards and so on. Using a gun is a very fair, humane way for them to go and merciful considering the way the eat stock while it is still alive.
varmintslayer1 3 years ago
Eat stock alive?
That's also the same line used here - the animals die of shock or blood loss before they eat. I've seen wolves hunt so I know you are talking b.s.
WolfAdvocate 3 years ago
Then why do I find heffers alive with their hind end eaten off? It happens.
varmintslayer1 3 years ago
Riiiight....
Don't give me that compassion b.s. You couldn't care less for animal suffering. You're the type that would kill a neighbour's pet just because it looks like a wolf. Besides its obvious you're really not concerned with the environment or protecting your livestock by the way you gloat over killing things. Heartless fiend.
WolfAdvocate 3 years ago
Compassion is not b.s. Of course I care about animal suffering. That is why we shoot wolves and coyotes on our ranches instead of using snares and just leaving them stuck to a fence. You are right though, I would kill a neighbors pet if it was harrassing my stock as I would expect him to shoot mine. Doesn't make me a heartless fiend.
varmintslayer1 3 years ago
Aye but it does. You are heartless, you killed pups. That's just the same as killing children - they were innocent.
And by the way you support the illegal killing of wolves the so called SSS and even spend thousands of dollars to kill wolves in Alaska. So you're wasting money on killing, you haven't a right to bitch about losses.
WolfAdvocate 3 years ago
How I spend my money is not your business, and if I go to Alaska for business and hunt caribou for the meat and kill a few wolves/malemute crossed animals there is nothing wrong with that especially if you take a look at the numbers of the porcupine caribou herd.
One has nothing to do with the other.
varmintslayer1 3 years ago
Ahh so the wolves inhabit areas far away from humans, in isolated areas of wilderness and you still go after them for absolutely no reason other than what a few paranoid pseudo-scientists preach.
WolfAdvocate 3 years ago
The wolves inhabit my ranch, that is fact. I just went to digital camera so there will be a few videos from me soon on here if I can figure out this site.
Coming soon:
Pictures of at least 25 wolves killed while hunting stock.
Pictures of animals killed and not eaten.
Pictures of wolves decaying on our gates next to their relatives the coyote.
A copy of the great state of Idaho's laws with regards to wolves.
varmintslayer1 3 years ago
You do realise that violates YT regulations.
I've seen animals not eaten - its called carrion.
Oh I've got a few of my own - dingoes with their scalps ripped off because some law gives bounties.
WolfAdvocate 3 years ago
What is a youtube violation?
varmintslayer1 3 years ago
Ok, so I understand that wolves attack livestock; however, this can easily be prevented by fencing your property. There are many types of fences that can keep wolves out. So for all of you ranchers, take the money you earn from over populating our earth with cattle and invest it in ways to prevent the innocent killings of wolves. I understand that to you, saving a life isn't as important as killing, but suck it up and do it. I am ashamed to call myself and American sometimes!
CHTMcougarette09 3 years ago
chtm- You obviously don't have a clue what your talking about. Do you somehow think that as ranchers we are rich people that can afford to fence our property with 6' high fences that cannot be dug under. I personally would need over 23 miles of fence around our Idaho operation alone at $118,000 per mile thats 2.5 million dollars on my ranch alone to keep out wolves that were not here for 50+ years. Noew that they are not protected they will be trained by ranchers to stay away or else.
varmintslayer1 3 years ago
ranchers... zero wolves? so much for finding a middle ground.
lifted110 3 years ago
they are sickening naive people who kill innocent animals, how sick is that. just so they can brag. they should all go hunt each other and there families. wolves are innocent just trying to survive
antonioooooooh 3 years ago
i hate farmers so much i want to shoot them adn put them on the endagered list adn off it because ill shoot them all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
horsesrockmylife08 3 years ago
To bad wolves can't shoot back, or someone to do it for them, maybe then they'd have protection.
r3markey 3 years ago
id shoot him that sob
antonioooooooh 4 years ago
Exactly right. Gotta love our government. It's sickening. I'm pretty sure wolves were here before the ranchers. And yes, they do get reimbursed for the insignificant percentage of livestock that are taken, compared the amount taken by disease and natural causes. The numbers are stammering. The 1st session of the delisting hearings was last night in Cheyenne I believe. Fingers crossed and the whole thing.
amydevine 4 years ago
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cuteblanca2 4 years ago
What is this ranchers problem the wolves were there first. He is a very GREEDY man, does he think that he owns the whole west, he should move to the city where there are no wolves. He should be ashamed of himself and nasty things he does, I know I am.
iceprincessrowena 4 years ago
I'm glad to see that the wolves are making a comeback in Yellowstone but they are still being killed by airplanes up in Alaska & by ranchers in the lower 48. It's amazing to me how cruel & ignorant these politicians & ranchers can be when it comes to these majestic animals. They seem to forget that the wolves were here first & are a vital part of our ecosystem. The ranchers also get reimbursed by environmental groups whenever they lose any cattle so they really have no excuse to kill anymore.
vodude 4 years ago 4
I have been under the impression that any livestock that are killed the government pays the ranchers for. Wolves are some of Gods most beautiful creatures and they should have a right to live. I believe the majority of Americans want wolves to stay on the Endangered Species List and they do NOT under any circumstances want it to be legal to kill them. President Bush must listen to the voice of the people.
teddypums 4 years ago 3
It is already legal to kill wolves in Alaska, my dad went wolf hunting up there with his friend that lives there. It should also be legal in Michigans Upper Peninsula. The wolves are very over populated and kill thousands of deer and livestock yearly.
HuntFishKill 4 years ago
screw you and your father lets hunt you
antonioooooooh 4 years ago