Your premise is that all creationists believe neanderthals are monkeys/apes. I'm not sure what they are, but you're right about burials and all that, it proves they're not monkeys. It's no good reason to reject God though. I mean, God doesn't even seem to mention neanderthals, why should you be doubting God because of the opinions of men?
"His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made," Rom. 1:20
@ToAkralon I actually didn't reject "God" as much as the Literalist Intrepretation of the Bible....which, to the Pentecostal Church I was raised in, was just about as bad. But I do find it interesting that God ALWAYS = Christ to Christians. The concept of just chucking the Book and the Name and just simply having faith in GOD always seems to leave a bad taste in the mouths of Christians....like it's Fake Faith....kind of like Margarine is to Butter (Butter being Bible/Jesus) Linda
"Theology: The field of study and analysis of make believe; for the purpose of spinning reality to conform to the human imagination so the control of others can be achieved". -Scott Tebben
I wish more people would have the opportunity to be put into a situation like you were.. where you're forced to think for yourself. It doesn't take much at all to realize christianity is a load of crap.
Well, it certainly showed me that we were not dealing with a simply "primative' mind. I felt connected to these artists and in real life the paintings look more like Modern Art than any thing immature or prehistoric.
It was an Enlightening experience all around. I did a drawing series based on caves after that--depicting my spiritual/emotional growth.
It is magnificent---especially something that cannot be shown in books.....
The artists used the 3 dimensionality of the cave wall to make the art come alive. So a buffalo would be painted on a mounded wall that resembled a buffalo shape already.
And when the tiny lamps they used flickered in the unthinkable darkness....the animals would "move" in the shadows created by the dimension.
Which moved you more towards your insight - the beads or the burial-with-love? I think that the burial practices would have convinced me (not that animals don't exhibit love or mourning, just that this was so ritualized).
It's a pity that you didn't get to visit Lascaux. That would have been wonderful!
I think it was a totally different layer of *knowing*. When I learned about the burial practices, I was on a cliff with the Director, and he spoke to me in French. We had seen the fossils that had been found just outside the small dwelling cave-- "here is where they were found with the flowers--laid there "avec tendresse"--with tenderness. That touched my heart.
When I saw the beads it was an intellectual thing. Someone with human dexterity carved and formed and strung these.
I see what you mean, Linda. There is a human-ness in both types of activity, not that we are the only compassionate animals, just that we usually exhibit more symbolism and creativity.
And I didn't get to go to the actual Lascaux, but I went thru the facsimile with the Director---and he gave me all of his knowledge as we walked through.
I suppose most creationists haven't even looked thoroughly at any evidence which contradicts their views or they might even not have to privilige to do so.
The lascaux caves are beautiful - too bad the original ones can't be accessed anymore.
Yeah, back when I went there were a number of people each year who were able to access the caves for study purposes. I wrote to the Director just a couple months too late for the cut off date. But the Director (who had the "keys to the caves" in Southern France) brought me around to the smaller caves that couldn't be accessed by the public. It Rocked!
Yes, good points, I'm pleased that you changed your views when presented with the evidence. Creationists look away from evidence, and so do many believers; I call it ignorance.
Science is indeed not merely a "candle in the dark:" it is a glorious light that illuminates the wonder and awe of the universe. I have great sympathy and sorrow for theists who have rejected what science has revealed about the world.
The first time I walked into a cave was two days after I had been in Notre Dame cathedral in Paris. When I walked into the caves, and felt the vastness and the solitude--It made me realize why man strives to build places of worship that look like they do.
The first places of worship were natural formations that inspired awe and wonder--as you said.
Caves are the womb of the Earth, and early man was connected to this.
And yes, science has already shown us what we are and where we came from
In some respects, science has far surpassed religion in delivering awe.
How is it that hardly any major religion has looked at science and concluded, "This is better than we thought! The Universe is much bigger than our prophets said, grander, more subtle, more elegant. God must be even greater than we dreamed"? Instead they say, "No, no, no! My god is a little god, and I want him to stay that way." (Carl Sagan)
Your premise is that all creationists believe neanderthals are monkeys/apes. I'm not sure what they are, but you're right about burials and all that, it proves they're not monkeys. It's no good reason to reject God though. I mean, God doesn't even seem to mention neanderthals, why should you be doubting God because of the opinions of men?
"His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made," Rom. 1:20
ToAkralon 3 weeks ago
@ToAkralon I actually didn't reject "God" as much as the Literalist Intrepretation of the Bible....which, to the Pentecostal Church I was raised in, was just about as bad. But I do find it interesting that God ALWAYS = Christ to Christians. The concept of just chucking the Book and the Name and just simply having faith in GOD always seems to leave a bad taste in the mouths of Christians....like it's Fake Faith....kind of like Margarine is to Butter (Butter being Bible/Jesus) Linda
ladyopinx 3 weeks ago
"Theology: The field of study and analysis of make believe; for the purpose of spinning reality to conform to the human imagination so the control of others can be achieved". -Scott Tebben
scotttebben 6 months ago
Your faith in the force is wea... oh wait... welcome to the 'dark' side, back then ;)
Sutskoen 2 years ago
I wish more people would have the opportunity to be put into a situation like you were.. where you're forced to think for yourself. It doesn't take much at all to realize christianity is a load of crap.
Good vid.
arcooke 2 years ago
Well, it certainly showed me that we were not dealing with a simply "primative' mind. I felt connected to these artists and in real life the paintings look more like Modern Art than any thing immature or prehistoric.
It was an Enlightening experience all around. I did a drawing series based on caves after that--depicting my spiritual/emotional growth.
Thanks for watching and subscribing!!!
Linda O.
ladyopinx 2 years ago
You're so lucky. Cave art rocks!!
th3w01fv2 2 years ago
It is magnificent---especially something that cannot be shown in books.....
The artists used the 3 dimensionality of the cave wall to make the art come alive. So a buffalo would be painted on a mounded wall that resembled a buffalo shape already.
And when the tiny lamps they used flickered in the unthinkable darkness....the animals would "move" in the shadows created by the dimension.
ladyopinx 2 years ago
Hmmm shame the artist is dead. He could teach graffiti artists a thing or three!
Or at the very least teach young artists how to breathe life into a picture.
th3w01fv2 2 years ago
Good video, Linda.
Which moved you more towards your insight - the beads or the burial-with-love? I think that the burial practices would have convinced me (not that animals don't exhibit love or mourning, just that this was so ritualized).
It's a pity that you didn't get to visit Lascaux. That would have been wonderful!
EvolvedAtheist 3 years ago
I think it was a totally different layer of *knowing*. When I learned about the burial practices, I was on a cliff with the Director, and he spoke to me in French. We had seen the fossils that had been found just outside the small dwelling cave-- "here is where they were found with the flowers--laid there "avec tendresse"--with tenderness. That touched my heart.
When I saw the beads it was an intellectual thing. Someone with human dexterity carved and formed and strung these.
Thanks
Linda
ladyopinx 3 years ago
I see what you mean, Linda. There is a human-ness in both types of activity, not that we are the only compassionate animals, just that we usually exhibit more symbolism and creativity.
EvolvedAtheist 3 years ago
And I didn't get to go to the actual Lascaux, but I went thru the facsimile with the Director---and he gave me all of his knowledge as we walked through.
It was something else!
ladyopinx 3 years ago
Even a facsimile would be wonderful - particularly with an education thrown in.
EvolvedAtheist 3 years ago
Nice video, Linda. Keep posting!
TheAwedCouple 3 years ago
I suppose most creationists haven't even looked thoroughly at any evidence which contradicts their views or they might even not have to privilige to do so.
The lascaux caves are beautiful - too bad the original ones can't be accessed anymore.
infinit888 3 years ago
Yeah, back when I went there were a number of people each year who were able to access the caves for study purposes. I wrote to the Director just a couple months too late for the cut off date. But the Director (who had the "keys to the caves" in Southern France) brought me around to the smaller caves that couldn't be accessed by the public. It Rocked!
Thanks for watching!
ladyopinx 3 years ago
Yes, good points, I'm pleased that you changed your views when presented with the evidence. Creationists look away from evidence, and so do many believers; I call it ignorance.
Thanks. :)
Paul
PaulSaywood 3 years ago
Yeah, well as I like to say about the experience, "Bones don't lie"
Thanks for watching, Paul.
You have been doing some AWESOME guitar work lately, BTW!
*Bright Blessings*
Linda
ladyopinx 3 years ago
Science is indeed not merely a "candle in the dark:" it is a glorious light that illuminates the wonder and awe of the universe. I have great sympathy and sorrow for theists who have rejected what science has revealed about the world.
Desertphile 3 years ago
The first time I walked into a cave was two days after I had been in Notre Dame cathedral in Paris. When I walked into the caves, and felt the vastness and the solitude--It made me realize why man strives to build places of worship that look like they do.
The first places of worship were natural formations that inspired awe and wonder--as you said.
Caves are the womb of the Earth, and early man was connected to this.
And yes, science has already shown us what we are and where we came from
ladyopinx 3 years ago
Thank you, I am flattered.
I am just glad I finally learned to talk in front of a camera!
*Bright Blessings*
Linda
ladyopinx 3 years ago
In some respects, science has far surpassed religion in delivering awe.
How is it that hardly any major religion has looked at science and concluded, "This is better than we thought! The Universe is much bigger than our prophets said, grander, more subtle, more elegant. God must be even greater than we dreamed"? Instead they say, "No, no, no! My god is a little god, and I want him to stay that way." (Carl Sagan)
iviewthetube 3 years ago 2
Yep, "God in a Box"
How convenient.
Thanks for watching!
Linda
ladyopinx 3 years ago