Trial of King Charles I - "Cromwell" (1970)

[brnleague99]

Did you know that John Bradshaw, the judge, was so afraid of being assassinated that he wore a hat lined with a metal band in case anyone shot him.

[Justinekelly1]

Good for cromwell!!! Charles is horrible!!!

[Justinekelly1]

We have to do a play of the trail, n this really helped!!!!!!!!!

[CMLaneLV]

Oliver Cromwell = Robespierre

[grzeds]

Obi-Wan Kenobi?

[althesmith]

To quote Avram Davidson, the Stuarts were a very romantic dynasty, and a damned stupid one.

[crazyknight2008]

good movie.

[MrOhjames]

If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.

[juultjuh99]

Cromwell was evil scum. God save the King!

[MajBlood]

Man Alec Guiness looks just like Charles did in his paintings.

[mc0558]

There is a wonderful moment in British legal history when Sir Edward Coke, Chief Justice of the Court of Common Pleas, disputed law with King James I. The King lost his temper and shouted at Coke, "Sir, I am the law." Coke fell to his knees and responded, "Yes, Your Majesty is the law, but Your Majesty does not understand the law." It is precisely the failure of his son, Charles I, to understand the law any better than his father, that is going teach him a legal lesson the hard way!

[theone1087]

I'd rather be master of a brothel, than to betray my nation at the hands of Jewish financiers in Amsterdam against my own leader. England was the first to fall at Jewish monied interests, the Ancien Regime in France to the Jewish funded Jacobins, World War I the end... the Hohenzollerns in Germany, the Hapsburgs in Austria and the most bloody... the Romanovs in Russia. All have one thing in common, Jewish financial interests were behind their downfall and the dissolution of public order. 

[skf2410]

este rey, como otros tantos reyes en la historia, llegan a la estupidez de creerse x encima de la ley, e incluso a creerse el origen de la ley

y esta falsa creencia, alimentada y promovida x la ramera vaticana durante siglos, ha hecho posible la tirania absoluta y la negacion sistematica de todo derecho del pueblo

este juicio fue clave p el establecimiento del principio LA LEY ES EL REY (LEX REX) vigente hoy en las naciones democraticas libres, x eso odian tanto los retrogrados a Cromwell

[KingCharlesI]

HOW could they get away with calling Sir Edward Hyde into this I have no idea! It's sickening to have their relationship played out like. It is a LIE. Hyde was never was called, never at the trail. He was in France, and there since 1646 with Prince Charles in exile. Clarendon was loyal to the King and thought CharlesI the best gentleman, father, husband, Christian and friend, the age could have produced.

[snd263]

thumbs up if you're watching this over for school

[MajBlood]

@snd263 Most people watch this because it is interesting.

[IshaBeauty11]

urrgh y the fuck is this crap so confusing

[MajBlood]

Cromwell is dirty scum. God save the king.

[677222]

@MajBlood i prefer cromwell

[slideharp1]

I meant uncorrupted.

[slideharp1]

It's true - the crowd gasped when they saw the king's execution. The idea of actually doing such a thing is a long way from pondering it. People felt that they had just witnessed a terrible loss that could bring down the wrath of God on themselves for allowing such a thing to happen. Something that could never be undone. And they were now without a Father/Mother. Cromwell's moniker reflected his understanding of the need for Assurance - Lord Protector - very shrewd, pschologically.

[Hkepfer]

G-D should have saved this King.

Many consider him a martyr; many consider him a saint.

He was a good man who governed in evil times.

Cromwell seems like a jerk -an entire cast of excellent actors!

Who would want to meet Cromwell?

[slideharp1]

@Hkepfer Who'd want to meet Cromwell? - I guess someone who had a clue as to what was Happening in England, and all over Europe, At That Time. That clearly doesn't include anyone who appears to have No Understanding of the friction that is a constant between the Executive and Legislative branches of Every government. e.g. the U.S.

[Hkepfer]

@slideharp1 Who would want to meet Cromwell? Was not a positive statement about that gentleman.

At That Time -no where on the planet was there a separation of powers as you suggest.

The US founding fathers invented the separation of powers & to this date the UK system is devoid of a written constitution, separation of powers or a clear understanding of who does what and why. Cromwell was evil and the US invented the greatest and longest standing constitution on this Earth. Get it?

[slideharp1]

@Hkepfer I made no remark about it being positive or other wise, you Saw what I wrote. I made a Point that There were Two Seperate Branches of Government. - The Founding Fathers did not Invent, they further-evolved and improved an idea that were already a part of, and Had been, since the Virginia and Mass. Colonies. They cited their 'Rights as Englishmen' when they had a grievance against parliament - in the Houses Of Burgesses. Parliament made the Laws, the Kings power was....

[slideharp1]

@Hkepfer 2)...well-diminished long before the Am.WOI. They made the Tea Laws,etc - the King could be petitioned in a democratic monarchy, but that was long-corrupted - by Parliament. Jefferson made no bones about his Statutes of Virginia being an improved edition of an idea that was suggested but not Working, so he took out the things that weren't working. Likewise when he 2nd and then (with a lot of input from John Adams and Gemmy Madison) of his Declaration Of Independence. John Adams was.....

[slideharp1]

@Hkepfer 3) ...I meant his 2nd and 3rd(final) DOI.....John Adams was asked to write it but asked T.J. to do it, as he said, "you write better than me". J.A.'s writings could fill a library and he had talked, at one point, on the idea of transferring the seat of the BE to North America or having two, London and NY,Boston,Philly - citing Constantine's idea of establishing the Eastern Empire(4thC) The Idea of a Chief Executive born'n'raised to uphold the law of the nation, unaffilliated & corrupted

[slideharp1]

@Hkepfer 4),,is a good Idea, but here are only perfect ideas. By the time of the coming of "The American Mind" (J, Adams), Christianity was not in turmoil in England, and religion wasn't a factor in gov't. - the ECW was Done...long before the ACW. 200 years before to be precise. The AC was not 'perfec't until That sorted out some Contradictions in it. The Civil War tore the country in two for very similar reasons as the English; Fed/State Dominance - with the added Contradictions in the DOI...

[slideharp1]

@Hkepfer 5)..and the Constitution is still not complete, in fact there are Fundamental changes being made to it right Now.

[slideharp1]

@Hkepfer It's worth pointing out that John Adams, not long before the toubles began, that Americans living as a colony of GB, "enjoyed more Personal Liberty than anyone else on earth"...and that included, in many ways, the Brits at home......at that time, e.g,.there were practically No beggars living in the 13 soon-to-be States - everyone had a job and a life........albeit the slaves, of course.

[Hkepfer]

This was a shame of Law, Logic & Conscious.

...and these were our Plymouth Rock Pilgrims... fundamentalist; Puritans = purely protestant; rabid anti-catholic & even anti-Anglican!

[slideharp1]

@Hkepfer Wrong. The Pilgrims were NOT Puritans - they came later, settling in Salem. Read your history.

[Hkepfer]

@slideharp1

I recognize wikipedia is not considered a valid source. Here is history pretty much stating our Plymouth Rock Pilgrims, were Puritans. OK, I (we) are wrong -Not surprised people who would have had witch trials came from people who executed at King.

Cromwell was accused of Judicial Regicide.

The crowd did not cheer -they gasped in disbelief & none cheered.

Thank you good Sir.

[slideharp1]

@Hkepfer No prob - glad you see the errors of your ways.

[GorinRedspear]

he should have used the Force to infuence the court

[Thersites1357]

@something9313

Stevenson took the name Hyde because he 'hiding' under Jekyll's personality. The Hyde / hide allusion is pretty obvious when you think about it - but it was a Frenchman who pointed it out to me. We're so used to 'Hyde' as in Hyde Park (yes it was named after Sir Edward Hyde) that we don't think of the word 'hide' as foreigners would.

[Thersites1357]

Don't lend too much credence to the historical accuracy. The broad substance is more or less correct, but Hyde certainly never gave evidence against the King. Quite apart from the fact that he was in France at the time of the trial, he was also the most royalist of all the royalists - he was in Paris at the time serving as the closest advisor of the Prince of Wales (the future Charles II). The idea that Charles I should have been convicted on Hyde's evidence is truly absurd.

[countrad]

Cromwell was trash himself and all the rest of those rounheads

[stevevandien]

I like this film very much. Some deride it for historical inaccuracies. Then again, virtually EVERY historical film has taken some dramatic license; and no intelligent person would assume such films are absolutely correct. Harris is good as Cromwell, and Guinness as Charles is marvelous:) --

[kevinkards1]

you are right that was a good enough reason to get rid of hinm right there

[kevinkards1]

HE MADE WAR ON HIS SUBJECTS AND INVITED THE SCOTS TO INVADE HE WAS A TRATIOR

[spr65]

@kevinkards1 he was Scottish you diddy, the Stewart took over once the tudor line died out ; ) lol

[LikeIrishLikeAfrica]

The question is, if Cromwell was such a bad guy and did such a horrible act... why didn't anyone get the Irish back from the Island or slavery? Are you that hideous?

[odysseus100]

Not at all. The phrase is meant to mean God save the monarchy, the idea of monarchy, whoever is king. The hope that he might in this case, as unlikely as it is, that he might find answer to the charges and might step back from the consequences of his actions before the court.

[mafre029]

wow Obi-wan and Dumbledore in the same movie : )

[subvin]

King Charles was a remarkable man and i do not think it is right to treat the King in this manner i just dont see how Parlament can decide his fate

[324wilson]

Charles was a remarkable man!

[GohModley]

@324wilson You monarchist piece of shite.

[BigLabs87]

Does anyone else find it odd that the call to order includes the phrase "God save the King!" when the king himself is on trial? I would think that statement makes the whole proceeding moot. :)

[jossgower]

@BigLabs87 Charles Stewart was on trial for breach of contract as per the Oath/Contract he made at his coronation "To govern his subjects according to the laws of God" as per KJ Bible.... The "King" is Jesus Christ King of Kings! Charles Stewart was the temporal king in his absence.... Hence the Phrase "God save the King!" Jesus preached Love as the highest Law... this Law makes the King and not the king makes the Law...

[kkzz1]

@BigLabs87 thats part of the irony, the king was not legally allowed to be trialed.

[mc0558]

@BigLabs87 This is the issue of this trial! The King is the Crown. Charles happens to wear the Crown, but Charles the man is not The Crown. The Crown is the laws and traditions of the English people.The court is therefore assembled lawfully and recites the traditional salutation to the the King as King, wearer of the Crown. And it tries one Charles Stuart, King of England for treason against the Crown. The man betrayed his office, and it is his office that is the law.

[Weimar1924]

@BigLabs87 are you sure it was a call to order or someone in the gallery?

[dargay]

wish i could see this whole film. isnt in video stores and v rarely played on any channel. Dont want to buy it unless v cheap!

[neil5568]

Here Alec Guiness is reviving his atrocious Scottish accent first inflicted on the World in Tunes of Glory. Great subject matter though.

[recessionlover]

He not only revives his stupid accent, but he is cured of his stutter. He has also dyed his hair. It was grey. What happened to that incident when the silver head fell off his cane? King Charles also gave a better account of himself than in this scene, and made the regicides look like a bunch of idiots, which they were.

[MouYijian]

@recessionlover I'm not British, so please consider my opinion cum grano salis. This actor employs a slight Scottish accent added to a substantially Standard British pronunciation; but that is a pro, not a con, if you consider that James WAS actually born and raised in Scotland. Secondarily, English pronunciation at that time was nearer to modern Scottish accent than you might expect, including rolled R's and peculiar vowels. There is nothing certain about it, but many elements suggest so.

[jacksawild]

@MouYijian Charles spent his early life in Scotland due to illness, he had a heavily Scottish accent which didn't win him much favour.