@yashiya24 is correct. @james1wise and @cs2sasuke150 you guys are fucking retards. Just because they didn't say this on CNN a zillion times doesn't mean it isn't true. It's a FUCKING WELL-KNOWN FACT that we, America, INVADED Iraq. We are invading. America is the bad guy. Imagine Iraq randomly putting bases in America...What would we do? We would not only destroy the bases, WE WOULD PROBABLY GO TO WAR. History is repeating itself, America is turning into the America of the native american times
You cannot deny the fact that many Muslims believe in 72 virgins in heaven. Many Muslims also believe that the hymen is an sign of virginity (which is NOT true since some women are born without it & can be broken in other ways b4 sex).
So, if 72 virgins means 72 intact hymens, then they're expecting BLOODY INTERCOURSE in heaven. Oh my! They seem to have a very SADISTIC version of heaven.
Islamic heaven = bleeding vaginas. A crimson misogynist heaven.
Muslims are insulted by this because well frankly they simpathize with "radical Islam". There is no such thing actually, there is just islam. Anyone who tells you that islam is a peaceful religion has either never been to a predominant muslim country or they are, like so many muslims out there, trying to delude you into think that islam is not the enemy, when it has in so many cases proven that it is. So many islamist out there protesting how they want Sharia now, but none protesting against.
The UK, Europe and the USA need to have mass deportations of Muslims. It's obvious that there are no moderates of any consequense or you would see them counter protesting muslim rallies like when you see a KKK rally, you will see others on the other side of the street shouting back. I never see that in these Muslim rallies. Islam should be a banned cult.. I don't like religions, but Islam doesn't even qualify as a religion to be protected. It's just a cult of war
@JTM45100 you know what else we should do? kill them in massive gas chambers. Also, we should throw them into pits and shoot them all at once. Should be easy to bury them that way. But we would have to keep track of them too....we could keep them at camps! Oh and to save money on gas, we should just send them there in cattle cars. It's a five day ride with no stops, but who cares, they're Muslims. Yup, sounds like a plan. I just hope someone hasn't tried this kind of thing already....
@farizzal Maybe if there was such a thing as a moderate Muslim, these radicals would get shouted down. But the radicals are the mainstream of Islam, and they are never opposed in the street by other Muslims when they gather to spew theier hateful plans to take over our countries and kill us all if we don't convert. Npo kindness should be given
@JTM45100 the radicals are the mainstream because that is what the media focuses on. If you actually looked at the Muslim community, not only in the United States, but in peaceful nations such as those in South East Asia (most of the Muslims in the world are in Indonesia) then you would know that the entire middle east Muslim community are a minority (relatively). If you think that the Muslim neighbor down the road agrees that you should die if you dont convert then you are sadly, sadly mistaken
@farizzal sorry but mainstream breeds the radicals... in saudi the whole country itself are radical... as long as the islam itself is alive radicals wouldnt stop... so the only solution to this 1 is to exterminate the whole religion... therefore there would be no radical muslim am i right? well indonesia's not peacefull fyi im frm australia n theyre chaotic as ever... heard of east timor? catholic country invaded by them?... even heard of bali hotel bombings which killed aussies?
@anonymous133711 you want to "eliminate" an idea? That is virtually impossible. The radical muslim movement around the world is growing because of the U.S. interfering in the middle east, and Israel persecuting Palestinians. IF those injustices would stop, there would be no reason for Jihad, and the attacks would cease (at least on a mass scale). The extremists would go back to being an extreme fringe in the muslim population.
@farizzal no... eliminate the islam thats 100% sure... even if the quarrels in the middle east died ... shit's still growing... even in indonesia - east timor conflict, philippines - abu sayaff and jemaah islamiya shit are everywhere... and to eliminate the shit... u have to kill the one whos making shit which is islam itself
@anonymous133711 Islam existed for hundreds of years before this and except for its spread when it was first conceived, it has not been aggressively trying to take over the world or anything. Its U.S. foreign policy that causes this agression. If you ask any terrorist why they are a terrorist, the answer will be political, the justification will be religious. But the cause is not religious.
@farizzal yes yes US aggression explain the bombings in mumbai n philippines also in east timor... well infidels lol INFIDEL COUNTRIES as muhammad said in 9:5 slay the idolaters whenever u find them n if they convert feed them n take care of them
@anonymous133711 lol im an Atheist. I love how anyone who doesnt say death to Islam is a muslim practicing taquiyya, sounds like the fucking mccarthy trials. If you knew anything about the Islamic world you would know that Israel's actions towards Palestine and Gaza is considered extremely aggresive (and it is) because Israel claims to own that land even though the Palestinians had it for centuries. It is the displacement of the Palestinians that upsets the Muslim world, and the U.S. is a
@farizzal yes continue with the conspiracy theories muslims doesnt hate only the US but the other countries as well, india philippines, east timor, russia etc as well so ignorant that u only think about US and Israel while the world's big and got so many issues.... and yes in other countries
heard of russian bombings? philippines bombings, east timor invasion, mumbai bombing, bali bombings?
and yes ur muhammad's a dickhead for making the quran
@anonymous133711 what conspiracy theories? Hitler? The Muslims are gonna riot wherever they are in protest of what the U.S. and Israel are doing, especially if those countries SUPPORT what the U.S. and Israel are doing. Yes I have heard of those bombings, and as long as Israel and the U.S. continue their foreign policy in Palestine the radical Islamic movement will not stop. And lol at "my muhammad" I'm an Atheist bro. Everything I have argued is from a political standpoint, NOT a religious one.
@farizzal yes protest what US n israel's doings while muslims doesnt see what they did on lesser countries they invade and terrorize eg. philippines, india, east timor,niger, russia etc
lol yes radical islam but east timor n philippines
in philippines muslims wants to separate the southern part for themselves thats the casethere... just like in marseille france a place wer muslims can only enter
gimme a suicide bombing jew or a plane crashing building christians n now wer talking
@anonymous133711 they didnt invade those countries, and who are we even talking about invading? The "invaders" are just a bunch of different extremist groups. There is no cohesive "Muslim" group like the Nazis were or anything. Want an example? Joseph Stack, a Catholic, crashed a plane into the IRS building and died with it, look it up. Other suicide bombers? Look up the Tamil Tigers, they werent muslim, they did suicide bombings for political reasons. Also, Japanese Kamikaze pilots. Not muslim
@farizzal east timor? ur kidding me? indonesians invaded those country but failed, lol ur making me laugh...joseph stack is different hes not religious suicide bomber... its political lol... and yes theres no muslim called nazis but theres taliban... how bout suicide jews flying a plane n crashing on a building?
n please those suicide bombers u said are not religious bombers lol either political or military reasons... r u stupid or something?
@anonymous133711 lol you are so fucking stupid, you ask for suicide bombers that are christian and I fucking gave them to you, my point is that suicide bombing is always motivated by political reasons, not religious ones. And those examples prove my point. You said it yourself its political, Its ALL political. If the U.S. wasnt in the middle east, there would be no suicide bombings against the U.S., PLAIN AND SIMPLE. That is my point, no religion causes suicide bombings, its always political.
@farizzal continued... lol the hilarious conv with u,
in middle ages priest n pope are full of greed that explains the papal estates n the riches of the church however they dont follow the bible, because theres no such thing as slay the idolaters just as quran says, its only for muslims LOL thou shall not kill explains it all, love thy neighbors n enemy, everything that oppose 10 commandments are bad except if god said it himself well all is past n nothing said kill non-xtians lol
@anonymous133711 you say that thou shalt not kill is in there, so what about in Deuteronomy, where it says if your neighbor works during the Sabbath, KILL HIM. If someone makes a cloth from two different types of thread, KILL HIM. What about the Crusades? What about the Spanish Inquisition? Burning witches at the stake? Your Bible tells you to kill in Deuteronomy, and god kills numerous times, I'm sure you know the flood? If you are gonna call Islam violent, look at your own twisted religion too
@farizzal deuteronomy lol thats old testament, and what verse is it, prove it lol such bullshit, n tell me where in the bible we can find the inqusition? burning witches? n yes crusade started when muslim turks invaded n destroy the byzantine empire, heard of that? father of orthodox christian, thats y its called take what belongs to us, and yes god kills n nothing's wrong with that because he created us, n he promised that he would not kill his creation himself after the flood , rainbow
@anonymous133711 ARE YOU FUCKING STUPID. INQUISITION IS IN THE HISTORY BOOKS. Wow you are so stupid its embarassing! Yea, when the crusades happened, you know christians killed their own, they didnt give a shit if you were jewish muslim or christian they killed everyone in the city. Theres nothing wrong with god killing? So he can tell us not to do something but he can do it? SOunds like your god is a fucking asshole. What kind of "father" says "dont have sex before marriage" but he does it??
@farizzal continued... yes inquisition is in the history but not in bible re-read my statements b4 commenting r-tard, n as ive said christians in the middle ages doesnt fllow the bible correctly because priest n papals are greedy that time, yes theres nothing wrong if god kills because he has the right, to destroy or create his creations, FYI we humans does that to equipments etc. n whos father r u talking bout? lol if god's an asshole then i believe u would die when u type those words
@anonymous133711 it doesnt matter cuz god doesnt exist. I know the inquisition isnt in the bible, so what the fuck is the point of asking me if its in the bible? You can talk all day about who follows it "correctly" you are just like the muslims that bitch about the people in the middle east, its the middle ages for you instead.
@farizzal continued... about the 10 commandments theres nothing wrong with it, tell me whats wrong with it then, n yes christianity is based on new testament, so ur referring to jewish torah, old testament, also in quran because believe it or not some of them are listed in quran , prophet moses i believe,deuteronomy, please answer my question if 10 commndments are followed in quran y kill & lie? n y avoid my question n proceed to crusades LOL such evasion on my questions,
@anonymous133711 there's nothing wrong with the 10 commandments, except if you think they should ALWAYS be followed, in which case there is a problem with thou shalt not lie. It is you who is claiming the 10 commandments are perfect, and I disagree, they are not perfect, nowhere near it, and we have made far better morals through SECULAR philosophy. Christianity is based on NT but the same god wrote the OT, so the same god thought it was ok to have slaves. I don't care about the Quran, ask
@anonymous133711 a Muslim to answer those questions of why kill or lie, cuz I am not a muslim. Because the Crusades show how terrible the Christians were. The muslims when they conquered they at least took prisoners and didnt kill civilians, the christians killed EVERYONE in Jerusalem, every, last, person.
@farizzal LOL a muslim to answer those questions, omfg y because ur answers contradict each other, u said it urself so answer my questions ur d 1 who said that 10 commndments are followed by muslims, ur d 1 that said that taquiyya is a form of lie whenever they threatens u its okay to lie, n if christians killed everyone in jerusalem bah stick to topic well discuss it later, answer my question 1st ur avoiding it, yes same god created OT n NT but NT is followed because OT are for jews, torah, fyi
@anonymous133711 I'm not a muslim, so I wouldnt be able to tell you why muslims break their own rules. Because im not a muslim. Is it getting into your thick skull yet? If the same god made the OT then that same god at one time condoned slavery and murder. Even if he is loving after, that stuff he condoned before is unforgivable. You completely miss every point I am making.
@farizzal continued part 3.... n ur claims in christians wiping out the jerusalem's population, it has nothing to do with our discussion, because those are men's actions n i believe god doesnt liek it either because nothing says in the bible that slay non-christians, those are for quran n for muslims to do, n yes wheres the proof of saying that christians must kill non-christians,
dude ur statements needs proof n ur breaking out u need to calm down if u admit that u lied then its fine
@anonymous133711 I never said that christians have to kill non christians you idiot. But they did kill "witches" and homosexuals. If you dont follow the old testament anymore why do you still condemn homosexuality? Men's actions are inspired by God's words, that is the fucking point!
@farizzal ur not a muslims yeah right, ur avoiding it, but ur words says muslims follow 10 commandments n yet theyre permitted to lie using taquiyya, answer that please n dont avoid it, lol about inquisition u started that off-topic point so i asked u if its in the bible so we can discuss if its in christianity unfortunately christian in the middle ages doesnt fllow the book, theres the proof, UR words
im not asking u as a muslim but im asking u if ur words are true,so answer my question
@farizzal continued part 2... before we progress answer my question 1st, again, i need to confirm ur words before we move on,
u said muslims has 10 commandments where are they? u said muslims follow it, u said they are permitted to lie using taquiyya, im not asking u as a muslim,im asking u to conclude all ur statements unless ur a liar, like ur "atheist stories"
but how come theyre permitted to lie if its clearly stated in 10 commandments thou shall not lie? wheres the logic? on ur words....
@farizzal continued part 3 unless u answered my question, i wont buy ur "stories" because its unbelievable, n i see u soo religious for an atheist based on ur words yes u are not atheist, u defended the islam many times n all people reading this can see, u should realize that, r-tard, n so far im laughing at ur contradicted statements, evasive maneuvers on questions like focusing on history while it has nothing to do with the discussion,
@anonymous133711 Ok. This is the LAST time I will say this. Muslims believe that Moses and Jesus were prophets of their message. They believe that their message was actually Islam and that message was corrupted, and they think that Muhammad brought the real, true message. Now, Taqiyya. Taqiyya is not, as you seem to think it is, lying whenever, wherever, or however. It is lying about one thing, whether or not you are a muslim, IF and only if saying you are a muslim will get you killed. You can
@anonymous133711 talk about what you think Taqqiya is as much as you want, but all the definitions define it that way, so your definition of it is incorrect. Taqqiya is not in the Quran, it was made by a sect of Islam called Shia, that sect (which is not the majority of Muslims) practice Taqqiya, Sunnis (which are the majority) do not recognize that Taqqiya, because as you said, they follow thou shalt not lie. So it is a debate between the Muslim community. In the middle ages, Christians took
@farizzal hahaha i love ur SUDDEN change of personality now ur ACTING like an atheist but in the past comments ur acting like a REAL muslim so wheres ur proof that muslims or islam follows the 10 commandments gimme a verse or something, or ur lying, yes i know in islam moses is mentioned but doesnt mean that they written the 10 commandments because 10 commandments are for jews n christians get it?i would love to see the verses which i believe theres none thats y u cant provide a thing
@anonymous133711 I was really stressed out with finals so I didn't have the patience to deal with you, now my finals are over so I am in no rush. Like I said in the comments, Muslims believe Moses was a prophet, bringing Islam to the people. That's what they believe. The Ten Commandments were part of the message Moses brought, and Islam believes that his message was Islam, so therefore Islam recognizes the 10 commandments as god's law since it was in Moses' message. Get it?
@farizzal if u cant provide a verse in quran about 10 commandments it means they doesnt exists in quran because it is never mentioned,
bout chronicles 15 hve u read the entire chapter? it is the covenant means an oath because israel's in the war, that god would protect the israel for 35 years without war unless they took the oath
@anonymous133711 that's fine but it still says to kill, I don't know how you get around that, whether its in a story or not, it is condoning murder, that's all you need to know.
@anonymous133711 part 5 fr example u caught ur sister's husband cheating, u would rather keep it as a secret to ur sister to preserve her happiness, thats a form of a white lie, because no matter how good a lie can be, the truth must be told, thats why there are martyrs, if u really are a god's follower u should take it to ur heart n soul n would not denounce ur faith LOL
but in that case islam approves of lying in a form of white lies(just like u said),well thats a form of deceit
@anonymous133711 no, that doesnt apply. But if I had to lie to save my family from being murdered, I would. You wouldnt, because you would follow your "flawless" ten commandments.
@anonymous133711 the Bible literally, and because of that Europe did not advance in Science, and they thought that the Sun revolved around the Earth. Clearly, if you as a Christian were to follow the Bible EXACTLY as it is written, then Christianity would be just as bad as Islam in Saudi Arabia. Christianity has been tamed by Western, SECULAR principles, such as civil rights for black people and gay people. And again, I am not defending Islam at all. I am simply saying in response to what YOU
@anonymous133711 originally, that we should not kill all Muslims as you think, and I am saying that Islam is not an inherently violent religion, so the terrorist attacks that are happening right now by extremist muslims is not to be blamed on their religion, but on their socioeconomic and political sitation, along with neo-colonialism and imperialism. I am an Atheist because I think all religions are bullshit, and the idea of an all powerful god condradicts itself. I trust Science and Reason.
@farizzal n wheres ur claim in christianity is hateful n intolerance of non-believers, gimme a book passage that says kill non-believers or condemn them, because christianity means the book itself just like islam, islam is bout quran, muslims are their followers, n btw y r u avoiding my questions? would it hurt u if i proved that islam is "not a religion of peace" and why do u care bout islam if u said religion is bullshit? why? continued
@anonymous133711 2 Chronicles 15:12-13, Zechariah 13:3, and numerous other verses in Deuteronomy, Leviticus, Numbers, and Exodus. I think Christianity and Islam are both hateful religions, but the idea of "moderate" christians and muslims are those that do not take the book seriously because of principles achieved during the enlightenment, which let go of religion. If the West did not have the enlightenment then Christians would be just like the Muslims in the Middle East today.
@farizzal continued 3 n yes why does an atheist like u care bout a religion? atheist means godless perso. well ur stories are just unbelievable i met muslims in the interwebs that claims that theyre christian while they defend islam like u do n condemning the christianity LOL while in ur case the most religious atheist ive ever met, n yes i wouldnt be so surprize if u are a muslim hiding on ur pc having an arguments on youtube videos cos why would an atheist watch this vid? n argue bout islam
@anonymous133711 I'm not religious, like I already said, I am not defending Islam, I am just not calling it something it is not. Blaming the situation in the Middle East ENTIRELY on Islam is incorrect. I am an Atheist, but I have studied religion and therefore I can argue about it. Religion is important to me because it is such a terrible force in human kind, by your logic, Richard Dawkins is religious because he wrote a book about religion (The God Delusion). Usually Atheists care about
@farizzal zechariah 13:3 And if any one again appears as a prophet, his father and mother who bore him will say to him, 'You shall not live, for you speak lies in the name of the LORD'; and his father and mother who bore him shall pierce him through when he prophesies.
doesnt say that kill prophets, it says that the parents would say to him because he became a false prophet, more liek,son im disappoint, n it is never a command
@anonymous133711 are you kidding me? Clearly you are blinded by your bias, this verse clearly says that fathers and mothers will pierce him through (stab him). Yea, that's not killing him. You're so stupid it's unbelievable.
@farizzal n if u really are an atheist why do u always avoid the "question" that could prove the islam is not a peaceful religion? n u always avoid things that could mess the islam's name
@anonymous133711 religion because they realize how damaging it is, and they speak out against it. I do not like Islam, BUT you have said that all Muslims should be killed, THAT is where I object. I have answered ALL your questions, if you do not see an answer re-read the comments because the answers are all there, and I will not repeat them.
"You shall not kill any person - for God has made life sacred - except in the course of justice. If one is killed unjustly, then we give his heir authority to enforce justice. Thus, he shall not exceed the limits in avenging the murder, he will be helped."
vengeance? if someone is killed in ur family ur entitled to kill that guy? so hows that for the religion of peace
n yes ur the most muslim atheist ive ever met no wonder y others call u one
@anonymous133711 haha That's what the bible teaches too, an eye for an eye. This actually says to kill if its unjust, not in any circumstance, so the bibles viewpoint is worse in this matter.
well that defies the righteousness, so if u kill the guy who killed ur beloved once, then that guy's beloved one must kill u
and killing wont stop cos it is in the loop process
its pretty all common sense, like in the buddhist proverbs
do not do to others what u dont want the others to do such things to u
i still believe that no one has a right to kill someone whether it is justice or vengeance because u didnt create any person to have those rights unless u have to defend ur life
i understand. but unless my fam didnt do anything to the one who killed him.. his punishment is death. plus i dont have to exactly kill him.. im just talking about my feeling towards it and what i mean is using capital punishment by the law system. so yeah it wouldnt be me directly. lol. but i getchya
@farizzal continued part 4... in quran jesus did not die in the cross, which i believe he did because romans crucified him n roman execution at that time was to kill someone in the cross,
thats my point there, moses was mentioned in quran but that doesnt mean theyre following moses' teachings , long story short quran is a ripoff edited version of bible/torah
it approves vengeance, lies, and deceit, n those are elements of evil even if ur endangered thou shall not lie, continued
@anonymous133711 the bible approves vengeance as well....and lies are not permitted by the quran, like I already told you. I will send you a link with the ten commandments in the quran, because it is not just one verse it is many.
@farizzal n yes the situation in the middle east is driven by islam, intolerance to non-muslim is a common thing, n yes u wouldnt be surprised if u lie just liek u did "stating n denying the religion of peace" well not surprizingly fr islam , yes the verses i took from quran are from the sites that u want me to research n surprisingly they all say the same thing about the verse
islam permits the killing, lying etc. therefore islam is a big problem that needs to be solve to create peace
@anonymous133711 In a stable society that isnt plagued by multiple wars and struggle for political power, Islam wouldnt be a problem. It would become "moderate". But the foreign policy of the U.S. is what is causing these suicide bombings more than Islam. Islam makes it worse, but it is not the primary cause. That is all I have to say on the matter. I just keep repeating everything because you don't understand it, and I have said everything I need to.
@farizzal right... n wer not talking bout terrorism here, wer talking bout islam, gimme a verse so it will be easier for me to look,
LOL it was written in ur "quran" every quran has that verse, if majority of muslims are peaceful, then how come they dun tolerate non-muslims, eg. africa-muslim nation,middle east, turkey, some place in france, indonesia,malaysia etc. well the remaining muslims are fragmented in the wests... the so called "moderate" listen moderates are minority not majority
@farizzal well thats y u are free to stay silent retard, silence is a virtue to protect ur family u can use silence therefore u wont lie, D: cant believe u ddnt use ur brain, and yes gimme a verse that says you should kill everyone who kills , n wut kinda eye to eye d u mean? omfg proof man gimme a verse not some "unfinished verses"
dude the zechariah is never a command it is a denouncing of sin, a prayer ofmg dd u read the chapter before that?
@anonymous133711 wow, you are so naive. Guy has a gun to your mom's head, says he will kill her if you helped a certain person. Says he will kill her if you don't answer. Now what do you do?
An eye for an eye. That's in the bible, you should know that! It's in Exodus I believe.
@anonymous133711 The Bible is actually more violent than the Quran! it tells you to kill much more than the Quran. Both books are fucking tribal and outdated, and should be disregarded.
@anonymous133711 unconditional ally of Israel. They hate Israel AND America. Combine that with the U.S.' agression and we have a bunch of pissed off muslims. Israel needs to stop acting like it fucking owns everybody; we can see this with them raiding the flotillas and executing an American citizen. You know what America did when they heard that? Jackshit. Its a very complex issue. But you ask an extremist terrorist why he is a terrorist and he will give you political reasons, not religious ones
@anonymous133711 that link is dead. Yea we don't. Do you think Muslims that live in America teach their children to kill the infidel? If you think yes, then you are a fucking ignoramus, that's all their is to it.
lol muslims in america ofc they cant because they are just minority lol there you go post it after the youtube.com n tell me what can u say about the vid.... please please if u dont know what's really goin on in the middle east then dont spit ur bs on me... mainstream islam is in the middle east sooner or later when theyre not minority in america thats whats gonna happen ex. denmark
@anonymous133711 really dude? this is Saudi Arabia! The most backwards ass country in the world since before Islam came along even! why are you basing your opinion on people like this? Here's an idea, read the Quran! Mainstream Islam is peaceful, minority Islam is the extremist ideology in the middle east. I will end with this, that Islam does not create suicide bombers or terrorists. They are created by a host of sociological, political, and environmental reasons. That is why there are other
@farizzal now now Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."
there some simple verses from quran... peace? n please what can u say about the vid?
@anonymous133711 hahaha that is the verse that everyone loves to quote mine. Instead of google searching verses, read the actual thing. If you read the surah, you would know that that verse is talking about polytheists that are attacking muslims. It also talks about treaties with other polytheist tribes. OBVIOUSLY this part of the Quran was made specifically for Muhammad's time. What polytheist tribes are there today? sorry but that sura doesnt apply to a modern context at all. Now the video,
@anonymous133711 do you really think that represents all muslims? Do the christians that kill abortion doctors represent all christians? Those people are nuts, extremists, there are some of them in any religion. So sorry, but that video doesn't prove shit about Islam.
@anonymous133711 non religious suicide bombers and terrorists. That's it, I'm done arguing with someone who is fueled by hate and gets their research from youtube videos, how the fuck do you even know that those subtitles are not put in by someone who hates muslims? You make too many assumptions, and bask in simplistic thinking.
@farizzal why because u fcked up? u cant go on anymore because that video is a huge impact on ur defence for muslims and yes ur an atheist... wanna be... islams doest create suicide bombers yeah right 72 virgins, for allah death to infidels... hmmm now ur near my corner spot n ur gonna run away? *clap clap* good muslim is only dead muslim so what r u?
u seem to have a lot of knowledge about quran what a coincidence for an "ATHEIST" to read that book unless ur on a literature job
@anonymous133711 hahaha please. That video doesn't mean shit. I can show you a dozen videos of Christians spewing the same kind of bullshit. Those people are not following Islam, because in the Quran which I have read, it says that the death of one innocent person is equal to the death of humanity. That includes infidels. The 72 virgins thing is not in the Quran. I am an Atheist but I was raised a Muslim. I think Islam is mysoginistic, narrow minded, and archaic. It does not, however, promote
@anonymous133711 the death of innocents. We have been going on and on at this for a long time, and neither side is going to change their mind. It has to end sometime. I'm just saying agree to disagree because you aren't gonna change your mind, and I'm not gonna change my mind. There is no "win" or "lose" in opinions, because they are opinions and not facts. If anything, we have both lost this argument because neither side convinced the other side to change their mind.
@anonymous133711 all I can say is read the Quran, the actual book that you say tells people to kill innocents, then say what you will. It amazes me that people make up their mind about a religion without even reading its texts or scriptures.
@farizzal well they dont represent all but the whole middle east... this was taken from a TV station in the middle east... means its okay for them to broadcast those stuff, only barbarians would teach kids how to kill or hate to kill...and yes the mainstream of islam is in the middle east... not in the west... but if they became majority in the west that also would happen.... ex. some region in france particularly in marseille where most muslims wants to change the whole place adding their laws
@anonymous133711 not even the middle east! I have been to the middle east and I didn't meet any people that talk like that! my family is from the middle east, I have been there many times. That video represents SAUDI ARABIA, one country, which is also the worst example of Islam. They don't allow women to drive there. Nothing in the Quran about that! They just make up their own shit based on ancient culture. Why is the middle east mainstream islam? By "mainstream" I am assuming you mean what
@anonymous133711 the majority of muslims practice, correct? By YOUR logic then, since most muslims are peaceful, law abiding citizens, then MAINSTREAM Islam is peaceful. How on earth would muslims replace the U.S. laws. Are you fucking crazy. That would NEVER happen, what the hell is wrong with you! No, Turkey is a secular republic, Christians are not forbidden to practice. Jesus Christ man do some real research instead of getting it all off of youtube. They even say it in your video! 5:30.
@farizzal btw what is this? "but in peaceful nations such as those in South East Asia (most of the Muslims in the world are in Indonesia)" taken from ur comment to JTM45100 do u have any idea how chaotic they are? heard of bali bombings? east timor invasion now now now lemme ask u a question... r u really an atheist? or pretend atheist? cos the defence statements uve said are islamish to me
i must say ur a muslim "pretending to be an atheist"
@anonymous133711 IM A FUCKING ATHEIST. It really pisses me off that as an Atheist, every time I make a comment defending ISlam in anyway, I'm automatically a muslim practicing taqqyia. What the fuck? Taqqyia is lying about whether you are muslim or not if saying you are a muslim will get you killed. Thats it, its not lying whenever and however. The invasion of East Timor was a territorial dispute btw, not a religious one. You're so stupid it hurts. Atheists do care about religion, because we
@farizzal dude... if u really are an atheist and an ex muslim that would be odd to defend the islam... i would understand if u defend the muslims (people) but yeah an atheist defending the islam what are the odds?? damn lol n u gave me the wrong translation of taquiyya, lol atheist means people who dont have religion or dont believe in a religion? damn... if u really are an atheist then u shouldnt care about islam unless ur a muslim, lol come on its nothing new to me continued...
@anonymous133711 I usually don't defend Islam. But when someone says we should kill every single muslim because Islam is an evil religion, then I will say something, because that is absolutely wrong. "Taqiyya is the practice of precautionary dissimulation practiced by followers of Shi'a Islaam, whereby believers may conceal their Shi'a Muslim faith when under threat, persecution or compulsion." That's from the Oxford dictionary. I don't care about Islam but I am into politics, and knowing about
@anonymous133711 Islam is very important when discussing the foreign policy of the U.S. in the middle east. Saudi Arabia has always been fundamentalist. The middle east is not wholly represented by that video you showed me. You have a very simplistic, incorrect view of taqqiya among muslims and lol at you saying it would "spread" their Islam. If they are pretending they are not muslims how would it spread Islam. It's not lying about anything, it's lying about whether or not you are a muslim if
@anonymous133711 saying you are a muslim would get you killed. Oh and btw, Taqquiya is only practiced by Sh'ia muslims, the majority of muslims are Sunni.
@farizzal great so ur giving me the wrong taquiya translation... taquiya is a form of lie to defend ur religion and to convert someone... please dont bs me i know what it is and u cant fool me... god lol ofc that wouldnt happen as of today in the US because they are minority... heard of britain?? shariya law? if muslim population grows to 80% of US citizen that would happen god help u n please islam shouldnt exists because of barbarity
@anonymous133711 hahahahahaha. Yea it's the Oxford dictionary translation, but of course their translation is wrong, your made up one is right. You just made that shit up! This is the fucking DEFINITION. Are you fucking kidding me. Even if they become the majority, they aren't going to legally impose Sharia Law, they would have to do it by force. And if you think that they are going to amass together and just slaughter us, you're fucking crazy and paranoid.
@farizzal yes ur "invisible oxford dictionary" yes its true they will use force to do it, and yes theyre forcing the britain to form a sharia, what can u expect of the barbarian religion, n please ur the 1 whos paranoid i never said that theyre jst gonna mass slaughter us lol ofc there are some steps that will happen but thats 100 years from now or so,im not paranoid as u are,im merely following my common sense n logic,im merely stating that if they grew to 80% population theyll force the law
@anonymous133711 LOL wow. Go to wikipedia, look up Taqqiya, look at the first source, that's the oxford dictionary. Have you not heard of Oxford university? I'm not paranoid, that's why I don't think it's going to happen. You are saying they are in the process of it. I think they aren't getting anywhere. Muslims aren't barbaric fascists. 80% of the population would never be as violent as the muslims in the middle east.
@farizzal r u stupid or something? wikipedia's a site that the informations r manipulatable means can be edited, oxford lol yes i know oxford n unfortunately they dont have taquiyya in their "OFFICIAL" website, yes muslims are not barbaric/fascists towards each other,but to infidels
give me a jew synagogue or christian church in saudi then u can convince me, underground church yes but legal? i dont think so
lol everyone knows that mainstream islam is very violent n intolerable againsts others
@anonymous133711 yes wikipedia can be changed but the sources are listed. You shouldnt trust the information there if there is no source or if the source is sketchy, but the source is there. How many times do I have to say that mainstream Islam is not Saudi Arabia, mainstream Islam is peaceful Islam.
@farizzal continuation... if saudi arabia is a worst example of islam then what can u expect the whole middle east?, the mainstream islam, sooner or later if they became majority in a country they would spread the "real islam" because the "moderate" islam is produced by using taquiyya btw taquiyya means lying in defence of islam
@anonymous133711 are the ones that have spent the most time thinking about it and studying it. I care about religion because it is slowing societies progress. I think religion is a dogmatic, dangerous way of thinking and I try to let people know how counter productive it is to societies advance.
@anonymous133711 I'm an Atheist but I was raised muslim, so I have family that is muslim and I know many muslims that are peaceful people, and I have read the Quran, so it pisses me off when people like you watch a couple youtube videos and see what extremists are doing and think that all muslims should be killed. I did answer your questions. Bali bombings were by a group of militant muslims, again a small group of extremist muslims. And I already talked about the East Timor invasion.
@farizzal :)) good story huh? good story :)) this is called taquiyya lying for islam finally u admitted ur a muslim lol u seem to know everything bout islam n will defend islam at any costs is that what an atheist do? sorry but by my standards ur a 100% muslim
@anonymous133711 I was raised a muslim. I am an Atheist now. You are such an idiot. I know alot about Islam because I was raised Muslim and I study religion. I don't accept that there is only one god named allah, and I dont accept that muhammad was his prophet. Those are the crucial elements of being muslim, and I do not accept it. I dont defend Islam, I am just not going to call it something it isnt. Islam should be taken off the face of the earth. But not by killing all muslims. It should
@anonymous133711 be taken away through individual thought and enlightenment. People need to realize for themselves that all religion is bullshit, forcing them to denounce it or KILLING them is not the way to go about it.
@farizzal well yes u shouldnt trust wiki at all, becos they can be manipulated and yes not only saudi arabia but as for neighboring countries as well whole islam middle east actually are intolerant to other non-muslims (infidels ofc) hw can a religion so peaceful if they dont tolerate other religion? close minded religion is close minded, quran 9:5 says it all period
everyone knows that islam itself is intolerable that means its not peaceful at all
@anonymous133711 Wiki has the links of the sources at the bottom of the page, you can look at the sources yourself. All religions are hateful, but only when followed fundamentally. Moderate Islam, and EVERY moderate religion is always the mainstream. We are in a time period when fundamentalist religion is not the norm anymore, and it will not be again. Your fears are unwarranted.
@farizzal well problem is we dont have access to taquiyya in oxford website n i dont trust other website cos theyre moslems :|
well not all religions are hateful, hw bout christianity, only the hateful are the ones in the middle ages, but the book itself is not... cos of 10 commandments i believe buddhism is the same as for their golden rule, moderate islam LOL listen only moderates are outside the middle east, well mostly.... middle east islam is full of shit, include the indonesia as well
@anonymous133711 Lol christianity is remarkably intolerant of non-believers, don't even try that angle. Christianity is extremely hateful. The reason it was like that in the middle ages is because people took the Bible literally and followed Christianity fundamentally, nowadays all Christians are moderates because we had the Enlightenment, which was letting go of religion. The Muslim world needs an enlightenment like the Christian world had. And the 10 commandments are nothing remarkable,
@anonymous133711 in fact 4 of the commandments are wasted on an insecure god calling attention to himself. And all those laws are in the Quran anyway so it doesn't prove your point at all, because there would have to be something in Christianity that is unique to it that makes it not hateful if you think Islam is. And Buddhism did not come up with the golden rule, the golden rule has Greek origins and is secular, like nearly all Greek philosophy. Christianity is one of the more hateful religions
@anonymous133711 I'm not defending taquiyya at all, in fact Islam follows the 10 commandments. And first of all, already saying that do not lie all the time is ridiculous. Are you going to follow that rule if you were in Nazi germany and you were hiding Jews? It's flawed, beyond belief. And you want to take about perfect? There's nothing about equality, rape, child abuse, or slavery! Yea, fucking perfect laws aren't they? The first four don't make sense unless you are an insecure god, lol. and!
@farizzal prove it then... it kills before n god commands it (old testament) but it stops when jesus came, n no quran killed much more than christianity, n its always commanding to kill the idolaters whenever they threatens u, n it permits to lie (taquiyya)
u said the 10 commandments are in quran, but why does that book permits to lie, n to kill??? answer my question
@anonymous133711 what is "it"? it kills before but it stops when jesus came? What are you referring to? Again, I am not defending Islam mutherfucker! I hate that shit just like I hate Christianity. The permission to lie isn't in the Quran anyway, Taqquiyya isnt in the Quran. It was made up after by the Shia sect. And I love how you didn't answer what I said about the 10 commandments! Perfect law? You realize now how fucking retarded Christianity is?
@farizzal thats when "ISRAELITES" occupied the israel (old testament,torah, also quran) and yes that all changed when jesus came, NEW TESTAMENT where christianity starts, lol
well prove me that bible kills more than quran does, u cant, cos bible doesnt permit the killings when jesus came,
as for taquiyya i can provide u 1 verse where lying is permitted
Bukhari (49:857) - "He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar."
@anonymous133711 FAIL! Bukhari is not a verse in the Quran, it is a Hadith. Dumbass. I can't say the Bible kills more people because books don't harm people. But Christians have killed THOUSANDS more than Muslims have. This is probably unfair to say though, because it has been around a lot longer than Islam. If the Bible doesnt permit killings though, then why did Christians kill so many people? The Old Testament was STILL God's word, even if the New Testament isnt as violent. God STILL said
@farizzal part 6 btw u always said in quran killing innocent is a form of blasphemy, so what bout killing those who murderer? , yes theres no such thing as forgiveness to those who killed innocent folks
@anonymous133711 oh btw, I NEVER said Islam is a religion of peace. I just dont think its an evil religion like you think. The Bible has just as much hate and violence as the quran does. And I cant send you a link to the site, just google "Ten Commandments in Quran" and you will find the verses.
@farizzal "then MAINSTREAM Islam is peaceful" wow what a liar, i googled it surprizingly fragmented n theyre not said by moses n theyre not even close to 10 commandments, n yes theyre not because they permit to kill a murderer, permit to lie and especially they dont hve sabbath because theyre for jews <-- written there
n yes theres no such thing as ten commandments in quran, its not even called 10 commandments rather fragmented verses in quran
@anonymous133711 yea thats what I said, they are fragmented. I said mainstream Islam is peaceful, not because Islam itself is peaceful, but because the majority of muslims are peaceful. Get it? If Christianity, Judaism, and Islam were followed to the letter, then they would all be violent and hateful.
@farizzal LOL how can it be so hateful as it is already n yes as we can see today, muslims are the most violent people of them all,also the most intolerant people of them all, n yes they already promote vengeance, how can the "islam" be so peaceful if they promote vengeance? n why is it the islam is intolerant of other religion?
cant believe im hving a conv to an "atheist" hahahaha an atheist defending the islam LOL n denying it
@anonymous133711 actually I was talking about Islam and terrorism, not the religion itself. You can look at my comments and see. All religions are like Islam, hateful and intolerant. The difference is that the Western world had an enlightenment. The Muslim world needs an intellectual enlightenment as well. And I am an Atheist, don't care what you think. And sorry, but the fact is that out of the billion muslims in the world, the overwhelming majority are peaceful.
@farizzal well terrorism is not in the topic so disregard that wer talking bout the book here,lol now ur saying that islam is hateful n intolerant while u said it was peaceful... what a liar,well thats true muslim needs enlightenment but i dont think thats gonna happen as the quran itself is violent unless theyre gonna edit it like the quran in the west, pro tips: quran in the middle east are different than the west version, the majority are intolerant of other religion how can that be peaceful
@anonymous133711 lol no I wasnt! I never said Islam is peaceful! I said most muslims that practice Islam are peaceful. You thought I was a Muslims because I was saying that Islam doesn't cause terrorism, political reasons do, so you thought I was saying Islam is a religion of peace. But I never said that. The Quran is the same everywhere, the differences are some minor translations, and the hadiths are where it is different, because some people follow all of them and some dont. Well you say
@anonymous133711 how can it be peaceful when the book is violent? Look at Jews. How many Jews do you know that kill their neighbor for working on the sabbath? none. Because the western world had an enlightenment, and they ignore those parts of the book. If the Old Testament can be ignored in how many laws of death it has, then the violence in the Quran can be ignored as well with an enlightenment and secular principles.
@farizzal lol :))) not really enlightenment is different in quran, unless they edit it, just like what the moderates r using right now, guess what they got 2 different quran, u sir are a big liar u clearly said that the islam is peaceful whilst i proved that it is not... dont lie please ive already quoted ur words
no iddnt thought about anything im just quoting ur words thats all u lied, therefore it is possible that ur lying about being an atheist, cos of ur knowledge n defence for islam
@anonymous133711 haha no, I never said that.. Islam is not a religion of peace, but it is not as violent as you make it out to be. The only thing I said was that MAINSTREAM Islam is peaceful, that means that the majority of Muslims are peaceful, not that the religion itself is peaceful. I just looked at all my comments and I never said "Islam is a religion of peace." You just assumed I did, like you assume a lot of things.
@farizzal so if u said that the mainstream islam is peaceful, well still the same as islam is peaceful because theyre just the same as it is :)) quit bullshitting me muslim hahaha god facepalm w.e. u call it u still said it, so .... to conclude all of this, islam is not peaceful :)) lol w.e. if majority of muslims arent that violent just like u said, but im sure that majority of them are intolerant againsts non-muslims
@anonymous133711 no, like you said mainstream islam and minority islam are two different things. Fundamental Islam and Moderate Islam are two different things. Fundamental is violent, and Moderate is peaceful. Fundamental is minority, Moderate is majority. Therefore Majority (which is another word for mainstream) is peaceful. Not non-muslims, but Atheists yes, my family disowned me after I told them I am an Atheist. But in America Atheism is generally discriminated upon by everybody anyway.
@farizzal well 1 question, is mainstream islam is islam or not? ofc it is islam therefore it is violent they may change the way it is written in "mainstream" but im sure that soon enough the "real islam" will be introduced because majority of islam is not moderate get it? only moderates are in the wests and im sure it is because i never seen a muslim country tolerates the practice of non-muslim religion and yes muslims are minority in the west most of them are in their homelands
@anonymous133711 By its very nature, fundamentalist religion is following religion to the T. Moderate Islam is the mainstream right now, and being moderate means ignoring parts of the book (this includes Christianity and Islam and Judaism). So if by "real Islam" you mean fundamentalist Islam, then no, fundamentalist Islam will never be the majority, because we have secular principles now. The fate of Islam in our world really depends on the Muslims who practice it, and right now moderates are
@anonymous133711 They are tolerant about Christianity and Judaism, relatively at least, but any other religion yea they are intolerant. By "We" I meant Western Civilization. Anyway, I think we're done here.
@farizzal hahahahaha i dont think the word "we" uve used depicts the western world "we have secular principles now" u lying muslim cunt hahahahahaah finally lose the grip of ur tongue hey? i believe ur saying ur as a moderate that u guys have secular principles, :)) now you're talking like a real muslim
the battle just started... :)) ur gonna run away? muslim?
@anonymous133711 haha are you serious? I said I don't think fundamentalist Islam will ever become the mainstream because we (Western Civilization, The U.N., The U.S.) have secular principles to PREVENT a religion from becoming the laws of our nations. The United States and Wester, Secular countries will never be ruled by Islam because we have SECULAR principles that prevent that from happening. Wow you are so fucking stupid.
@farizzal hahaha no moar excuses u slip ur tongue oops ur finger typing stuff, too much excuses, wow you sir are a fucking muslim liar what can you expect for a muslim, they lie, lie and lie just to defend their religion hahahaha u never fail to amuse me "we have secular principles now" <-- ur downfall guess what... everybody knows that muslims lie just to defend their religion ur "we" doesnt fit on ur statements
just admit it LOL that ur a muslim lying for islam everybody knows that
@anonymous133711 why would I say "we have secular principles now" about the muslim world? The Muslim world DOESNT have secular principles at all, they use the fucking Quran as law. I think no matter what I say, you read whatever you want to read and don't read what I am actually saying.If you actually look at my channel and my favorites, you will see I am an atheist. but whatever, I dont care if you dont believe me, you're just making a dumbass out of yourself for thinking Im a muslim.
@farizzal i believe ur pointing at... the so called "moderates" lol u sir are a big liar, and a big muslim LOL this is youtube even i can upload some stolen vids and call it my own, to pretend as a muslim/atheist/christian/jew or w.e. this is interwebs, everything is not possible if u wanna hide ur identity , dude based on ur comments ur a muslim and no atheist would defend them "by the book" LOL what an atheist would say is"dont care, never care, and will never care" u muslim liar hahaha
@anonymous133711 haha wow. yea I fucking made this whole youtube channel to convince people i have never met or never will meet that im not a muslim. you are so deluded its sad.
@farizzal dude im not deluded, im thinking practical, and its not uncommon dude... there are people i met/ had conversation in youtube,pretend to be non-muslims while defending the islam just like you did,and yes everything in the interwebs are can be manipulated
just like you said before there are people calling you muslim before we start this conv, and it is not possible for a muslim to create a youtube acc to defend islam LOL tell me y an atheist should defend the islam,if ur an atheist
@farizzal really? LOL then why "mainstream islam is peaceful" hmmm islam .. ur defending it u retard, and why so defensive when i spit bout tolerance, "they are tolerant about Christianity and Judaism" if they are tolerant about non-muslims then how come that christians or jews there are being persecuted, old style persecution LOL how barbaric the islam is, and you said that they use the quran as law, then majority of muslims are not peaceful at all if they use the fucking law, theyre barbarians
@anonymous133711 thats cuz mainstream islam doesnt follow the Quran completely, you dumbass. I dont think they are tolerant, I just said they are LESS tolerant with Atheists and Hindus then with Christians or Jews. Dumbass. The people that use the Quran as law are not the majority. Dumbass.
@farizzal now ur saying theyre intolerant, im sorry but theres no "less" word in ur comment, and dumbass theyre not tolerant about other religion at all, retard most of the muslims in the world are intolerant therefore theyre not peaceful , and in my opinion islam shouldnt exists to create peace, because muslims doesnt have secular law and they use the quran as law, u fuckin serious man? u said it urself, and yeah most of the muslim countries in the world uses the quran as their base for law
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KiNgJoCk727 5 days ago 15
@yashiya24 is correct. @james1wise and @cs2sasuke150 you guys are fucking retards. Just because they didn't say this on CNN a zillion times doesn't mean it isn't true. It's a FUCKING WELL-KNOWN FACT that we, America, INVADED Iraq. We are invading. America is the bad guy. Imagine Iraq randomly putting bases in America...What would we do? We would not only destroy the bases, WE WOULD PROBABLY GO TO WAR. History is repeating itself, America is turning into the America of the native american times
Zeegoner 6 days ago
Mohamad licks ball sacks!
MrBoogerhook 1 week ago
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You cannot deny the fact that many Muslims believe in 72 virgins in heaven. Many Muslims also believe that the hymen is an sign of virginity (which is NOT true since some women are born without it & can be broken in other ways b4 sex).
So, if 72 virgins means 72 intact hymens, then they're expecting BLOODY INTERCOURSE in heaven. Oh my! They seem to have a very SADISTIC version of heaven.
Islamic heaven = bleeding vaginas. A crimson misogynist heaven.
TheBibleJokes 1 month ago
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commando951 3 months ago
lets kill them b4 they kill us ... fcukin assholes
alfinesam 7 months ago
u bastard O'reilly I would rip ur zionist motherfucking head
nagamora 8 months ago
what war? nobody's attacking us
Yashiya24 9 months ago
@Yashiya24 nobody is attacking us????? So I guess all the troops that have died in this war so far just dropped dead randomly??? don't think so.
James1Wise 7 months ago
@James1Wise we went there...they're not attacking us, they are defending themselves from Westernization...stupid
Yashiya24 7 months ago
@Yashiya24 retard
cs2sasuke150 4 months ago
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Raisins not virgins .. mistranslation .. ref full doc : kitmantv.blogspot.com/2010/01/channel-4-qur.html
mariesweetshine 10 months ago
Muslims are insulted by this because well frankly they simpathize with "radical Islam". There is no such thing actually, there is just islam. Anyone who tells you that islam is a peaceful religion has either never been to a predominant muslim country or they are, like so many muslims out there, trying to delude you into think that islam is not the enemy, when it has in so many cases proven that it is. So many islamist out there protesting how they want Sharia now, but none protesting against.
MrR1D3R 10 months ago
Seventy two virgin goats, most likely ! Haha
Demama777 11 months ago
When is this movie coming out? I can't wait to see it.
joker102877 1 year ago
I don't fucking get it....Why 72?!? why not 75 or 750???
thedeem0N 1 year ago
that was actually really funny. im muslim though.
AdmiralZhao007 1 year ago
Awesome!
doom3lv 1 year ago
hilarious
boxer9196 1 year ago
The actors are Jews.
Reqrezentin 1 year ago
Hell is real and heaven is real ,
mrA991s 1 year ago
@mrA991s
lmao
luxfair 1 year ago
There is a real movie thats has just been released on Monday!!! Its called FOUR LIONS. Its about four stupid suicide bombers.
SikhLions 1 year ago
The UK, Europe and the USA need to have mass deportations of Muslims. It's obvious that there are no moderates of any consequense or you would see them counter protesting muslim rallies like when you see a KKK rally, you will see others on the other side of the street shouting back. I never see that in these Muslim rallies. Islam should be a banned cult.. I don't like religions, but Islam doesn't even qualify as a religion to be protected. It's just a cult of war
JTM45100 1 year ago
@JTM45100 you know what else we should do? kill them in massive gas chambers. Also, we should throw them into pits and shoot them all at once. Should be easy to bury them that way. But we would have to keep track of them too....we could keep them at camps! Oh and to save money on gas, we should just send them there in cattle cars. It's a five day ride with no stops, but who cares, they're Muslims. Yup, sounds like a plan. I just hope someone hasn't tried this kind of thing already....
farizzal 1 year ago
@farizzal Nukes would be easier, and less costly. Also it would be less stressful on the soldiers.
JTM45100 1 year ago
@farizzal Maybe if there was such a thing as a moderate Muslim, these radicals would get shouted down. But the radicals are the mainstream of Islam, and they are never opposed in the street by other Muslims when they gather to spew theier hateful plans to take over our countries and kill us all if we don't convert. Npo kindness should be given
JTM45100 1 year ago
@JTM45100 the radicals are the mainstream because that is what the media focuses on. If you actually looked at the Muslim community, not only in the United States, but in peaceful nations such as those in South East Asia (most of the Muslims in the world are in Indonesia) then you would know that the entire middle east Muslim community are a minority (relatively). If you think that the Muslim neighbor down the road agrees that you should die if you dont convert then you are sadly, sadly mistaken
farizzal 1 year ago
@farizzal sorry but mainstream breeds the radicals... in saudi the whole country itself are radical... as long as the islam itself is alive radicals wouldnt stop... so the only solution to this 1 is to exterminate the whole religion... therefore there would be no radical muslim am i right? well indonesia's not peacefull fyi im frm australia n theyre chaotic as ever... heard of east timor? catholic country invaded by them?... even heard of bali hotel bombings which killed aussies?
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 you want to "eliminate" an idea? That is virtually impossible. The radical muslim movement around the world is growing because of the U.S. interfering in the middle east, and Israel persecuting Palestinians. IF those injustices would stop, there would be no reason for Jihad, and the attacks would cease (at least on a mass scale). The extremists would go back to being an extreme fringe in the muslim population.
farizzal 1 year ago
@farizzal no... eliminate the islam thats 100% sure... even if the quarrels in the middle east died ... shit's still growing... even in indonesia - east timor conflict, philippines - abu sayaff and jemaah islamiya shit are everywhere... and to eliminate the shit... u have to kill the one whos making shit which is islam itself
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 Islam existed for hundreds of years before this and except for its spread when it was first conceived, it has not been aggressively trying to take over the world or anything. Its U.S. foreign policy that causes this agression. If you ask any terrorist why they are a terrorist, the answer will be political, the justification will be religious. But the cause is not religious.
farizzal 1 year ago
@farizzal yes yes US aggression explain the bombings in mumbai n philippines also in east timor... well infidels lol INFIDEL COUNTRIES as muhammad said in 9:5 slay the idolaters whenever u find them n if they convert feed them n take care of them
cool story bro but no moar taquiyya
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 lol im an Atheist. I love how anyone who doesnt say death to Islam is a muslim practicing taquiyya, sounds like the fucking mccarthy trials. If you knew anything about the Islamic world you would know that Israel's actions towards Palestine and Gaza is considered extremely aggresive (and it is) because Israel claims to own that land even though the Palestinians had it for centuries. It is the displacement of the Palestinians that upsets the Muslim world, and the U.S. is a
farizzal 1 year ago
@farizzal ffs death of muslim will solve the problems
period
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 Yea, that's what Hitler said about the Jewish people. You're a fucking lunatic if you really believe that.
farizzal 1 year ago
@farizzal yes continue with the conspiracy theories muslims doesnt hate only the US but the other countries as well, india philippines, east timor, russia etc as well so ignorant that u only think about US and Israel while the world's big and got so many issues.... and yes in other countries
heard of russian bombings? philippines bombings, east timor invasion, mumbai bombing, bali bombings?
and yes ur muhammad's a dickhead for making the quran
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 what conspiracy theories? Hitler? The Muslims are gonna riot wherever they are in protest of what the U.S. and Israel are doing, especially if those countries SUPPORT what the U.S. and Israel are doing. Yes I have heard of those bombings, and as long as Israel and the U.S. continue their foreign policy in Palestine the radical Islamic movement will not stop. And lol at "my muhammad" I'm an Atheist bro. Everything I have argued is from a political standpoint, NOT a religious one.
farizzal 1 year ago
@farizzal yes protest what US n israel's doings while muslims doesnt see what they did on lesser countries they invade and terrorize eg. philippines, india, east timor,niger, russia etc
lol yes radical islam but east timor n philippines
in philippines muslims wants to separate the southern part for themselves thats the casethere... just like in marseille france a place wer muslims can only enter
gimme a suicide bombing jew or a plane crashing building christians n now wer talking
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 they didnt invade those countries, and who are we even talking about invading? The "invaders" are just a bunch of different extremist groups. There is no cohesive "Muslim" group like the Nazis were or anything. Want an example? Joseph Stack, a Catholic, crashed a plane into the IRS building and died with it, look it up. Other suicide bombers? Look up the Tamil Tigers, they werent muslim, they did suicide bombings for political reasons. Also, Japanese Kamikaze pilots. Not muslim
farizzal 1 year ago
@farizzal east timor? ur kidding me? indonesians invaded those country but failed, lol ur making me laugh...joseph stack is different hes not religious suicide bomber... its political lol... and yes theres no muslim called nazis but theres taliban... how bout suicide jews flying a plane n crashing on a building?
n please those suicide bombers u said are not religious bombers lol either political or military reasons... r u stupid or something?
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 lol you are so fucking stupid, you ask for suicide bombers that are christian and I fucking gave them to you, my point is that suicide bombing is always motivated by political reasons, not religious ones. And those examples prove my point. You said it yourself its political, Its ALL political. If the U.S. wasnt in the middle east, there would be no suicide bombings against the U.S., PLAIN AND SIMPLE. That is my point, no religion causes suicide bombings, its always political.
farizzal 1 year ago
@farizzal continued... lol the hilarious conv with u,
in middle ages priest n pope are full of greed that explains the papal estates n the riches of the church however they dont follow the bible, because theres no such thing as slay the idolaters just as quran says, its only for muslims LOL thou shall not kill explains it all, love thy neighbors n enemy, everything that oppose 10 commandments are bad except if god said it himself well all is past n nothing said kill non-xtians lol
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 you say that thou shalt not kill is in there, so what about in Deuteronomy, where it says if your neighbor works during the Sabbath, KILL HIM. If someone makes a cloth from two different types of thread, KILL HIM. What about the Crusades? What about the Spanish Inquisition? Burning witches at the stake? Your Bible tells you to kill in Deuteronomy, and god kills numerous times, I'm sure you know the flood? If you are gonna call Islam violent, look at your own twisted religion too
farizzal 1 year ago
@farizzal deuteronomy lol thats old testament, and what verse is it, prove it lol such bullshit, n tell me where in the bible we can find the inqusition? burning witches? n yes crusade started when muslim turks invaded n destroy the byzantine empire, heard of that? father of orthodox christian, thats y its called take what belongs to us, and yes god kills n nothing's wrong with that because he created us, n he promised that he would not kill his creation himself after the flood , rainbow
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 ARE YOU FUCKING STUPID. INQUISITION IS IN THE HISTORY BOOKS. Wow you are so stupid its embarassing! Yea, when the crusades happened, you know christians killed their own, they didnt give a shit if you were jewish muslim or christian they killed everyone in the city. Theres nothing wrong with god killing? So he can tell us not to do something but he can do it? SOunds like your god is a fucking asshole. What kind of "father" says "dont have sex before marriage" but he does it??
farizzal 1 year ago
@farizzal continued... yes inquisition is in the history but not in bible re-read my statements b4 commenting r-tard, n as ive said christians in the middle ages doesnt fllow the bible correctly because priest n papals are greedy that time, yes theres nothing wrong if god kills because he has the right, to destroy or create his creations, FYI we humans does that to equipments etc. n whos father r u talking bout? lol if god's an asshole then i believe u would die when u type those words
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 it doesnt matter cuz god doesnt exist. I know the inquisition isnt in the bible, so what the fuck is the point of asking me if its in the bible? You can talk all day about who follows it "correctly" you are just like the muslims that bitch about the people in the middle east, its the middle ages for you instead.
farizzal 1 year ago
@farizzal continued... about the 10 commandments theres nothing wrong with it, tell me whats wrong with it then, n yes christianity is based on new testament, so ur referring to jewish torah, old testament, also in quran because believe it or not some of them are listed in quran , prophet moses i believe,deuteronomy, please answer my question if 10 commndments are followed in quran y kill & lie? n y avoid my question n proceed to crusades LOL such evasion on my questions,
ur true self is showin
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 there's nothing wrong with the 10 commandments, except if you think they should ALWAYS be followed, in which case there is a problem with thou shalt not lie. It is you who is claiming the 10 commandments are perfect, and I disagree, they are not perfect, nowhere near it, and we have made far better morals through SECULAR philosophy. Christianity is based on NT but the same god wrote the OT, so the same god thought it was ok to have slaves. I don't care about the Quran, ask
farizzal 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 a Muslim to answer those questions of why kill or lie, cuz I am not a muslim. Because the Crusades show how terrible the Christians were. The muslims when they conquered they at least took prisoners and didnt kill civilians, the christians killed EVERYONE in Jerusalem, every, last, person.
farizzal 1 year ago
@farizzal LOL a muslim to answer those questions, omfg y because ur answers contradict each other, u said it urself so answer my questions ur d 1 who said that 10 commndments are followed by muslims, ur d 1 that said that taquiyya is a form of lie whenever they threatens u its okay to lie, n if christians killed everyone in jerusalem bah stick to topic well discuss it later, answer my question 1st ur avoiding it, yes same god created OT n NT but NT is followed because OT are for jews, torah, fyi
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 I'm not a muslim, so I wouldnt be able to tell you why muslims break their own rules. Because im not a muslim. Is it getting into your thick skull yet? If the same god made the OT then that same god at one time condoned slavery and murder. Even if he is loving after, that stuff he condoned before is unforgivable. You completely miss every point I am making.
farizzal 1 year ago
@farizzal continued part 3.... n ur claims in christians wiping out the jerusalem's population, it has nothing to do with our discussion, because those are men's actions n i believe god doesnt liek it either because nothing says in the bible that slay non-christians, those are for quran n for muslims to do, n yes wheres the proof of saying that christians must kill non-christians,
dude ur statements needs proof n ur breaking out u need to calm down if u admit that u lied then its fine
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 I never said that christians have to kill non christians you idiot. But they did kill "witches" and homosexuals. If you dont follow the old testament anymore why do you still condemn homosexuality? Men's actions are inspired by God's words, that is the fucking point!
farizzal 1 year ago
@farizzal ur not a muslims yeah right, ur avoiding it, but ur words says muslims follow 10 commandments n yet theyre permitted to lie using taquiyya, answer that please n dont avoid it, lol about inquisition u started that off-topic point so i asked u if its in the bible so we can discuss if its in christianity unfortunately christian in the middle ages doesnt fllow the book, theres the proof, UR words
im not asking u as a muslim but im asking u if ur words are true,so answer my question
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@farizzal continued part 2... before we progress answer my question 1st, again, i need to confirm ur words before we move on,
u said muslims has 10 commandments where are they? u said muslims follow it, u said they are permitted to lie using taquiyya, im not asking u as a muslim,im asking u to conclude all ur statements unless ur a liar, like ur "atheist stories"
but how come theyre permitted to lie if its clearly stated in 10 commandments thou shall not lie? wheres the logic? on ur words....
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@farizzal continued part 3 unless u answered my question, i wont buy ur "stories" because its unbelievable, n i see u soo religious for an atheist based on ur words yes u are not atheist, u defended the islam many times n all people reading this can see, u should realize that, r-tard, n so far im laughing at ur contradicted statements, evasive maneuvers on questions like focusing on history while it has nothing to do with the discussion,
so far i think u lie about u being atheist
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 Ok. This is the LAST time I will say this. Muslims believe that Moses and Jesus were prophets of their message. They believe that their message was actually Islam and that message was corrupted, and they think that Muhammad brought the real, true message. Now, Taqiyya. Taqiyya is not, as you seem to think it is, lying whenever, wherever, or however. It is lying about one thing, whether or not you are a muslim, IF and only if saying you are a muslim will get you killed. You can
farizzal 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 talk about what you think Taqqiya is as much as you want, but all the definitions define it that way, so your definition of it is incorrect. Taqqiya is not in the Quran, it was made by a sect of Islam called Shia, that sect (which is not the majority of Muslims) practice Taqqiya, Sunnis (which are the majority) do not recognize that Taqqiya, because as you said, they follow thou shalt not lie. So it is a debate between the Muslim community. In the middle ages, Christians took
farizzal 1 year ago
@farizzal hahaha i love ur SUDDEN change of personality now ur ACTING like an atheist but in the past comments ur acting like a REAL muslim so wheres ur proof that muslims or islam follows the 10 commandments gimme a verse or something, or ur lying, yes i know in islam moses is mentioned but doesnt mean that they written the 10 commandments because 10 commandments are for jews n christians get it?i would love to see the verses which i believe theres none thats y u cant provide a thing
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anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 I was really stressed out with finals so I didn't have the patience to deal with you, now my finals are over so I am in no rush. Like I said in the comments, Muslims believe Moses was a prophet, bringing Islam to the people. That's what they believe. The Ten Commandments were part of the message Moses brought, and Islam believes that his message was Islam, so therefore Islam recognizes the 10 commandments as god's law since it was in Moses' message. Get it?
farizzal 1 year ago
@farizzal if u cant provide a verse in quran about 10 commandments it means they doesnt exists in quran because it is never mentioned,
bout chronicles 15 hve u read the entire chapter? it is the covenant means an oath because israel's in the war, that god would protect the israel for 35 years without war unless they took the oath
well if u know what a covenant means
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anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 that's fine but it still says to kill, I don't know how you get around that, whether its in a story or not, it is condoning murder, that's all you need to know.
farizzal 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 part 5 fr example u caught ur sister's husband cheating, u would rather keep it as a secret to ur sister to preserve her happiness, thats a form of a white lie, because no matter how good a lie can be, the truth must be told, thats why there are martyrs, if u really are a god's follower u should take it to ur heart n soul n would not denounce ur faith LOL
but in that case islam approves of lying in a form of white lies(just like u said),well thats a form of deceit
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 no, that doesnt apply. But if I had to lie to save my family from being murdered, I would. You wouldnt, because you would follow your "flawless" ten commandments.
farizzal 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 the Bible literally, and because of that Europe did not advance in Science, and they thought that the Sun revolved around the Earth. Clearly, if you as a Christian were to follow the Bible EXACTLY as it is written, then Christianity would be just as bad as Islam in Saudi Arabia. Christianity has been tamed by Western, SECULAR principles, such as civil rights for black people and gay people. And again, I am not defending Islam at all. I am simply saying in response to what YOU
farizzal 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 originally, that we should not kill all Muslims as you think, and I am saying that Islam is not an inherently violent religion, so the terrorist attacks that are happening right now by extremist muslims is not to be blamed on their religion, but on their socioeconomic and political sitation, along with neo-colonialism and imperialism. I am an Atheist because I think all religions are bullshit, and the idea of an all powerful god condradicts itself. I trust Science and Reason.
farizzal 1 year ago
@farizzal n wheres ur claim in christianity is hateful n intolerance of non-believers, gimme a book passage that says kill non-believers or condemn them, because christianity means the book itself just like islam, islam is bout quran, muslims are their followers, n btw y r u avoiding my questions? would it hurt u if i proved that islam is "not a religion of peace" and why do u care bout islam if u said religion is bullshit? why? continued
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 2 Chronicles 15:12-13, Zechariah 13:3, and numerous other verses in Deuteronomy, Leviticus, Numbers, and Exodus. I think Christianity and Islam are both hateful religions, but the idea of "moderate" christians and muslims are those that do not take the book seriously because of principles achieved during the enlightenment, which let go of religion. If the West did not have the enlightenment then Christians would be just like the Muslims in the Middle East today.
farizzal 1 year ago
@farizzal continued 3 n yes why does an atheist like u care bout a religion? atheist means godless perso. well ur stories are just unbelievable i met muslims in the interwebs that claims that theyre christian while they defend islam like u do n condemning the christianity LOL while in ur case the most religious atheist ive ever met, n yes i wouldnt be so surprize if u are a muslim hiding on ur pc having an arguments on youtube videos cos why would an atheist watch this vid? n argue bout islam
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 I'm not religious, like I already said, I am not defending Islam, I am just not calling it something it is not. Blaming the situation in the Middle East ENTIRELY on Islam is incorrect. I am an Atheist, but I have studied religion and therefore I can argue about it. Religion is important to me because it is such a terrible force in human kind, by your logic, Richard Dawkins is religious because he wrote a book about religion (The God Delusion). Usually Atheists care about
farizzal 1 year ago
@farizzal zechariah 13:3 And if any one again appears as a prophet, his father and mother who bore him will say to him, 'You shall not live, for you speak lies in the name of the LORD'; and his father and mother who bore him shall pierce him through when he prophesies.
doesnt say that kill prophets, it says that the parents would say to him because he became a false prophet, more liek,son im disappoint, n it is never a command
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anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 are you kidding me? Clearly you are blinded by your bias, this verse clearly says that fathers and mothers will pierce him through (stab him). Yea, that's not killing him. You're so stupid it's unbelievable.
farizzal 1 year ago
@farizzal n if u really are an atheist why do u always avoid the "question" that could prove the islam is not a peaceful religion? n u always avoid things that could mess the islam's name
hmmm i wonder y d u always avoid those stuff
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 religion because they realize how damaging it is, and they speak out against it. I do not like Islam, BUT you have said that all Muslims should be killed, THAT is where I object. I have answered ALL your questions, if you do not see an answer re-read the comments because the answers are all there, and I will not repeat them.
farizzal 1 year ago
@farizzal n i forgot to mention this
quran:(17:33)
"You shall not kill any person - for God has made life sacred - except in the course of justice. If one is killed unjustly, then we give his heir authority to enforce justice. Thus, he shall not exceed the limits in avenging the murder, he will be helped."
vengeance? if someone is killed in ur family ur entitled to kill that guy? so hows that for the religion of peace
n yes ur the most muslim atheist ive ever met no wonder y others call u one
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 haha That's what the bible teaches too, an eye for an eye. This actually says to kill if its unjust, not in any circumstance, so the bibles viewpoint is worse in this matter.
farizzal 1 year ago
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bobnos 1 year ago
@bobnos
well that defies the righteousness, so if u kill the guy who killed ur beloved once, then that guy's beloved one must kill u
and killing wont stop cos it is in the loop process
its pretty all common sense, like in the buddhist proverbs
do not do to others what u dont want the others to do such things to u
i still believe that no one has a right to kill someone whether it is justice or vengeance because u didnt create any person to have those rights unless u have to defend ur life
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711
i understand. but unless my fam didnt do anything to the one who killed him.. his punishment is death. plus i dont have to exactly kill him.. im just talking about my feeling towards it and what i mean is using capital punishment by the law system. so yeah it wouldnt be me directly. lol. but i getchya
bobnos 1 year ago
@farizzal continued part 4... in quran jesus did not die in the cross, which i believe he did because romans crucified him n roman execution at that time was to kill someone in the cross,
thats my point there, moses was mentioned in quran but that doesnt mean theyre following moses' teachings , long story short quran is a ripoff edited version of bible/torah
it approves vengeance, lies, and deceit, n those are elements of evil even if ur endangered thou shall not lie, continued
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 the bible approves vengeance as well....and lies are not permitted by the quran, like I already told you. I will send you a link with the ten commandments in the quran, because it is not just one verse it is many.
farizzal 1 year ago
@farizzal n yes the situation in the middle east is driven by islam, intolerance to non-muslim is a common thing, n yes u wouldnt be surprised if u lie just liek u did "stating n denying the religion of peace" well not surprizingly fr islam , yes the verses i took from quran are from the sites that u want me to research n surprisingly they all say the same thing about the verse
islam permits the killing, lying etc. therefore islam is a big problem that needs to be solve to create peace
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 In a stable society that isnt plagued by multiple wars and struggle for political power, Islam wouldnt be a problem. It would become "moderate". But the foreign policy of the U.S. is what is causing these suicide bombings more than Islam. Islam makes it worse, but it is not the primary cause. That is all I have to say on the matter. I just keep repeating everything because you don't understand it, and I have said everything I need to.
farizzal 1 year ago
@farizzal right... n wer not talking bout terrorism here, wer talking bout islam, gimme a verse so it will be easier for me to look,
LOL it was written in ur "quran" every quran has that verse, if majority of muslims are peaceful, then how come they dun tolerate non-muslims, eg. africa-muslim nation,middle east, turkey, some place in france, indonesia,malaysia etc. well the remaining muslims are fragmented in the wests... the so called "moderate" listen moderates are minority not majority
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@farizzal well thats y u are free to stay silent retard, silence is a virtue to protect ur family u can use silence therefore u wont lie, D: cant believe u ddnt use ur brain, and yes gimme a verse that says you should kill everyone who kills , n wut kinda eye to eye d u mean? omfg proof man gimme a verse not some "unfinished verses"
dude the zechariah is never a command it is a denouncing of sin, a prayer ofmg dd u read the chapter before that?
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 wow, you are so naive. Guy has a gun to your mom's head, says he will kill her if you helped a certain person. Says he will kill her if you don't answer. Now what do you do?
An eye for an eye. That's in the bible, you should know that! It's in Exodus I believe.
farizzal 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 The Bible is actually more violent than the Quran! it tells you to kill much more than the Quran. Both books are fucking tribal and outdated, and should be disregarded.
farizzal 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 unconditional ally of Israel. They hate Israel AND America. Combine that with the U.S.' agression and we have a bunch of pissed off muslims. Israel needs to stop acting like it fucking owns everybody; we can see this with them raiding the flotillas and executing an American citizen. You know what America did when they heard that? Jackshit. Its a very complex issue. But you ask an extremist terrorist why he is a terrorist and he will give you political reasons, not religious ones
farizzal 1 year ago
@farizzal continued
youtube.com/watch?v=AGcgVSvgp6I
what can u say about this? in west we do not teach kids violence
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 that link is dead. Yea we don't. Do you think Muslims that live in America teach their children to kill the infidel? If you think yes, then you are a fucking ignoramus, that's all their is to it.
farizzal 1 year ago
@farizzal /watch?v=ZjbJnZUJTYU
lol muslims in america ofc they cant because they are just minority lol there you go post it after the youtube.com n tell me what can u say about the vid.... please please if u dont know what's really goin on in the middle east then dont spit ur bs on me... mainstream islam is in the middle east sooner or later when theyre not minority in america thats whats gonna happen ex. denmark
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 really dude? this is Saudi Arabia! The most backwards ass country in the world since before Islam came along even! why are you basing your opinion on people like this? Here's an idea, read the Quran! Mainstream Islam is peaceful, minority Islam is the extremist ideology in the middle east. I will end with this, that Islam does not create suicide bombers or terrorists. They are created by a host of sociological, political, and environmental reasons. That is why there are other
farizzal 1 year ago
@farizzal now now Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."
there some simple verses from quran... peace? n please what can u say about the vid?
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 hahaha that is the verse that everyone loves to quote mine. Instead of google searching verses, read the actual thing. If you read the surah, you would know that that verse is talking about polytheists that are attacking muslims. It also talks about treaties with other polytheist tribes. OBVIOUSLY this part of the Quran was made specifically for Muhammad's time. What polytheist tribes are there today? sorry but that sura doesnt apply to a modern context at all. Now the video,
farizzal 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 do you really think that represents all muslims? Do the christians that kill abortion doctors represent all christians? Those people are nuts, extremists, there are some of them in any religion. So sorry, but that video doesn't prove shit about Islam.
farizzal 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 non religious suicide bombers and terrorists. That's it, I'm done arguing with someone who is fueled by hate and gets their research from youtube videos, how the fuck do you even know that those subtitles are not put in by someone who hates muslims? You make too many assumptions, and bask in simplistic thinking.
farizzal 1 year ago
@farizzal why because u fcked up? u cant go on anymore because that video is a huge impact on ur defence for muslims and yes ur an atheist... wanna be... islams doest create suicide bombers yeah right 72 virgins, for allah death to infidels... hmmm now ur near my corner spot n ur gonna run away? *clap clap* good muslim is only dead muslim so what r u?
u seem to have a lot of knowledge about quran what a coincidence for an "ATHEIST" to read that book unless ur on a literature job
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 hahaha please. That video doesn't mean shit. I can show you a dozen videos of Christians spewing the same kind of bullshit. Those people are not following Islam, because in the Quran which I have read, it says that the death of one innocent person is equal to the death of humanity. That includes infidels. The 72 virgins thing is not in the Quran. I am an Atheist but I was raised a Muslim. I think Islam is mysoginistic, narrow minded, and archaic. It does not, however, promote
farizzal 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 the death of innocents. We have been going on and on at this for a long time, and neither side is going to change their mind. It has to end sometime. I'm just saying agree to disagree because you aren't gonna change your mind, and I'm not gonna change my mind. There is no "win" or "lose" in opinions, because they are opinions and not facts. If anything, we have both lost this argument because neither side convinced the other side to change their mind.
farizzal 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 all I can say is read the Quran, the actual book that you say tells people to kill innocents, then say what you will. It amazes me that people make up their mind about a religion without even reading its texts or scriptures.
farizzal 1 year ago
@farizzal well they dont represent all but the whole middle east... this was taken from a TV station in the middle east... means its okay for them to broadcast those stuff, only barbarians would teach kids how to kill or hate to kill...and yes the mainstream of islam is in the middle east... not in the west... but if they became majority in the west that also would happen.... ex. some region in france particularly in marseille where most muslims wants to change the whole place adding their laws
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 not even the middle east! I have been to the middle east and I didn't meet any people that talk like that! my family is from the middle east, I have been there many times. That video represents SAUDI ARABIA, one country, which is also the worst example of Islam. They don't allow women to drive there. Nothing in the Quran about that! They just make up their own shit based on ancient culture. Why is the middle east mainstream islam? By "mainstream" I am assuming you mean what
farizzal 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 the majority of muslims practice, correct? By YOUR logic then, since most muslims are peaceful, law abiding citizens, then MAINSTREAM Islam is peaceful. How on earth would muslims replace the U.S. laws. Are you fucking crazy. That would NEVER happen, what the hell is wrong with you! No, Turkey is a secular republic, Christians are not forbidden to practice. Jesus Christ man do some real research instead of getting it all off of youtube. They even say it in your video! 5:30.
farizzal 1 year ago
@farizzal btw what is this? "but in peaceful nations such as those in South East Asia (most of the Muslims in the world are in Indonesia)" taken from ur comment to JTM45100 do u have any idea how chaotic they are? heard of bali bombings? east timor invasion now now now lemme ask u a question... r u really an atheist? or pretend atheist? cos the defence statements uve said are islamish to me
i must say ur a muslim "pretending to be an atheist"
y? because atheist dont care bout religion LOL
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 IM A FUCKING ATHEIST. It really pisses me off that as an Atheist, every time I make a comment defending ISlam in anyway, I'm automatically a muslim practicing taqqyia. What the fuck? Taqqyia is lying about whether you are muslim or not if saying you are a muslim will get you killed. Thats it, its not lying whenever and however. The invasion of East Timor was a territorial dispute btw, not a religious one. You're so stupid it hurts. Atheists do care about religion, because we
farizzal 1 year ago
@farizzal dude... if u really are an atheist and an ex muslim that would be odd to defend the islam... i would understand if u defend the muslims (people) but yeah an atheist defending the islam what are the odds?? damn lol n u gave me the wrong translation of taquiyya, lol atheist means people who dont have religion or dont believe in a religion? damn... if u really are an atheist then u shouldnt care about islam unless ur a muslim, lol come on its nothing new to me continued...
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 I usually don't defend Islam. But when someone says we should kill every single muslim because Islam is an evil religion, then I will say something, because that is absolutely wrong. "Taqiyya is the practice of precautionary dissimulation practiced by followers of Shi'a Islaam, whereby believers may conceal their Shi'a Muslim faith when under threat, persecution or compulsion." That's from the Oxford dictionary. I don't care about Islam but I am into politics, and knowing about
farizzal 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 Islam is very important when discussing the foreign policy of the U.S. in the middle east. Saudi Arabia has always been fundamentalist. The middle east is not wholly represented by that video you showed me. You have a very simplistic, incorrect view of taqqiya among muslims and lol at you saying it would "spread" their Islam. If they are pretending they are not muslims how would it spread Islam. It's not lying about anything, it's lying about whether or not you are a muslim if
farizzal 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 saying you are a muslim would get you killed. Oh and btw, Taqquiya is only practiced by Sh'ia muslims, the majority of muslims are Sunni.
farizzal 1 year ago
@farizzal great so ur giving me the wrong taquiya translation... taquiya is a form of lie to defend ur religion and to convert someone... please dont bs me i know what it is and u cant fool me... god lol ofc that wouldnt happen as of today in the US because they are minority... heard of britain?? shariya law? if muslim population grows to 80% of US citizen that would happen god help u n please islam shouldnt exists because of barbarity
the LOGIC
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 hahahahahaha. Yea it's the Oxford dictionary translation, but of course their translation is wrong, your made up one is right. You just made that shit up! This is the fucking DEFINITION. Are you fucking kidding me. Even if they become the majority, they aren't going to legally impose Sharia Law, they would have to do it by force. And if you think that they are going to amass together and just slaughter us, you're fucking crazy and paranoid.
farizzal 1 year ago
@farizzal yes ur "invisible oxford dictionary" yes its true they will use force to do it, and yes theyre forcing the britain to form a sharia, what can u expect of the barbarian religion, n please ur the 1 whos paranoid i never said that theyre jst gonna mass slaughter us lol ofc there are some steps that will happen but thats 100 years from now or so,im not paranoid as u are,im merely following my common sense n logic,im merely stating that if they grew to 80% population theyll force the law
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 LOL wow. Go to wikipedia, look up Taqqiya, look at the first source, that's the oxford dictionary. Have you not heard of Oxford university? I'm not paranoid, that's why I don't think it's going to happen. You are saying they are in the process of it. I think they aren't getting anywhere. Muslims aren't barbaric fascists. 80% of the population would never be as violent as the muslims in the middle east.
farizzal 1 year ago
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anonymous133711 1 year ago
@farizzal r u stupid or something? wikipedia's a site that the informations r manipulatable means can be edited, oxford lol yes i know oxford n unfortunately they dont have taquiyya in their "OFFICIAL" website, yes muslims are not barbaric/fascists towards each other,but to infidels
give me a jew synagogue or christian church in saudi then u can convince me, underground church yes but legal? i dont think so
lol everyone knows that mainstream islam is very violent n intolerable againsts others
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 yes wikipedia can be changed but the sources are listed. You shouldnt trust the information there if there is no source or if the source is sketchy, but the source is there. How many times do I have to say that mainstream Islam is not Saudi Arabia, mainstream Islam is peaceful Islam.
farizzal 1 year ago
@farizzal continuation... if saudi arabia is a worst example of islam then what can u expect the whole middle east?, the mainstream islam, sooner or later if they became majority in a country they would spread the "real islam" because the "moderate" islam is produced by using taquiyya btw taquiyya means lying in defence of islam
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 are the ones that have spent the most time thinking about it and studying it. I care about religion because it is slowing societies progress. I think religion is a dogmatic, dangerous way of thinking and I try to let people know how counter productive it is to societies advance.
farizzal 1 year ago
@farizzal good excuse but u are way more defensive on ur statements as an atheist dont u think?
btw answer my questions
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 I'm an Atheist but I was raised muslim, so I have family that is muslim and I know many muslims that are peaceful people, and I have read the Quran, so it pisses me off when people like you watch a couple youtube videos and see what extremists are doing and think that all muslims should be killed. I did answer your questions. Bali bombings were by a group of militant muslims, again a small group of extremist muslims. And I already talked about the East Timor invasion.
farizzal 1 year ago
@farizzal :)) good story huh? good story :)) this is called taquiyya lying for islam finally u admitted ur a muslim lol u seem to know everything bout islam n will defend islam at any costs is that what an atheist do? sorry but by my standards ur a 100% muslim
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 I was raised a muslim. I am an Atheist now. You are such an idiot. I know alot about Islam because I was raised Muslim and I study religion. I don't accept that there is only one god named allah, and I dont accept that muhammad was his prophet. Those are the crucial elements of being muslim, and I do not accept it. I dont defend Islam, I am just not going to call it something it isnt. Islam should be taken off the face of the earth. But not by killing all muslims. It should
farizzal 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 be taken away through individual thought and enlightenment. People need to realize for themselves that all religion is bullshit, forcing them to denounce it or KILLING them is not the way to go about it.
farizzal 1 year ago
@farizzal well yes u shouldnt trust wiki at all, becos they can be manipulated and yes not only saudi arabia but as for neighboring countries as well whole islam middle east actually are intolerant to other non-muslims (infidels ofc) hw can a religion so peaceful if they dont tolerate other religion? close minded religion is close minded, quran 9:5 says it all period
everyone knows that islam itself is intolerable that means its not peaceful at all
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 Wiki has the links of the sources at the bottom of the page, you can look at the sources yourself. All religions are hateful, but only when followed fundamentally. Moderate Islam, and EVERY moderate religion is always the mainstream. We are in a time period when fundamentalist religion is not the norm anymore, and it will not be again. Your fears are unwarranted.
farizzal 1 year ago
@farizzal well problem is we dont have access to taquiyya in oxford website n i dont trust other website cos theyre moslems :|
well not all religions are hateful, hw bout christianity, only the hateful are the ones in the middle ages, but the book itself is not... cos of 10 commandments i believe buddhism is the same as for their golden rule, moderate islam LOL listen only moderates are outside the middle east, well mostly.... middle east islam is full of shit, include the indonesia as well
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 Lol christianity is remarkably intolerant of non-believers, don't even try that angle. Christianity is extremely hateful. The reason it was like that in the middle ages is because people took the Bible literally and followed Christianity fundamentally, nowadays all Christians are moderates because we had the Enlightenment, which was letting go of religion. The Muslim world needs an enlightenment like the Christian world had. And the 10 commandments are nothing remarkable,
farizzal 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 in fact 4 of the commandments are wasted on an insecure god calling attention to himself. And all those laws are in the Quran anyway so it doesn't prove your point at all, because there would have to be something in Christianity that is unique to it that makes it not hateful if you think Islam is. And Buddhism did not come up with the golden rule, the golden rule has Greek origins and is secular, like nearly all Greek philosophy. Christianity is one of the more hateful religions
farizzal 1 year ago
@farizzal lol all those law? thou shall not kill? i dont think so, dude ofc the 4 is logic
do not worship any other gods
do not make any idols
do not misuse god's name in vain
keep the sabbath holy
i dont think theres something wrong with it LOL, these rule are perfect n without flaw theres nothing wrong with it especially thou shall not lie
if these are imprinted in quran then... whats taquiyya then? even if its for urself (tahts what u believe) so wheres the logic? lie is a lie n its bad
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 I'm not defending taquiyya at all, in fact Islam follows the 10 commandments. And first of all, already saying that do not lie all the time is ridiculous. Are you going to follow that rule if you were in Nazi germany and you were hiding Jews? It's flawed, beyond belief. And you want to take about perfect? There's nothing about equality, rape, child abuse, or slavery! Yea, fucking perfect laws aren't they? The first four don't make sense unless you are an insecure god, lol. and!
farizzal 1 year ago
@farizzal prove it then... it kills before n god commands it (old testament) but it stops when jesus came, n no quran killed much more than christianity, n its always commanding to kill the idolaters whenever they threatens u, n it permits to lie (taquiyya)
u said the 10 commandments are in quran, but why does that book permits to lie, n to kill??? answer my question
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 what is "it"? it kills before but it stops when jesus came? What are you referring to? Again, I am not defending Islam mutherfucker! I hate that shit just like I hate Christianity. The permission to lie isn't in the Quran anyway, Taqquiyya isnt in the Quran. It was made up after by the Shia sect. And I love how you didn't answer what I said about the 10 commandments! Perfect law? You realize now how fucking retarded Christianity is?
farizzal 1 year ago
@farizzal thats when "ISRAELITES" occupied the israel (old testament,torah, also quran) and yes that all changed when jesus came, NEW TESTAMENT where christianity starts, lol
well prove me that bible kills more than quran does, u cant, cos bible doesnt permit the killings when jesus came,
as for taquiyya i can provide u 1 verse where lying is permitted
Bukhari (49:857) - "He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar."
LOL
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 FAIL! Bukhari is not a verse in the Quran, it is a Hadith. Dumbass. I can't say the Bible kills more people because books don't harm people. But Christians have killed THOUSANDS more than Muslims have. This is probably unfair to say though, because it has been around a lot longer than Islam. If the Bible doesnt permit killings though, then why did Christians kill so many people? The Old Testament was STILL God's word, even if the New Testament isnt as violent. God STILL said
farizzal 1 year ago
@farizzal part 6 btw u always said in quran killing innocent is a form of blasphemy, so what bout killing those who murderer? , yes theres no such thing as forgiveness to those who killed innocent folks
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 oh btw, I NEVER said Islam is a religion of peace. I just dont think its an evil religion like you think. The Bible has just as much hate and violence as the quran does. And I cant send you a link to the site, just google "Ten Commandments in Quran" and you will find the verses.
farizzal 1 year ago
@farizzal "then MAINSTREAM Islam is peaceful" wow what a liar, i googled it surprizingly fragmented n theyre not said by moses n theyre not even close to 10 commandments, n yes theyre not because they permit to kill a murderer, permit to lie and especially they dont hve sabbath because theyre for jews <-- written there
n yes theres no such thing as ten commandments in quran, its not even called 10 commandments rather fragmented verses in quran
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 yea thats what I said, they are fragmented. I said mainstream Islam is peaceful, not because Islam itself is peaceful, but because the majority of muslims are peaceful. Get it? If Christianity, Judaism, and Islam were followed to the letter, then they would all be violent and hateful.
farizzal 1 year ago
@farizzal LOL how can it be so hateful as it is already n yes as we can see today, muslims are the most violent people of them all,also the most intolerant people of them all, n yes they already promote vengeance, how can the "islam" be so peaceful if they promote vengeance? n why is it the islam is intolerant of other religion?
cant believe im hving a conv to an "atheist" hahahaha an atheist defending the islam LOL n denying it
best laugh of the month
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 actually I was talking about Islam and terrorism, not the religion itself. You can look at my comments and see. All religions are like Islam, hateful and intolerant. The difference is that the Western world had an enlightenment. The Muslim world needs an intellectual enlightenment as well. And I am an Atheist, don't care what you think. And sorry, but the fact is that out of the billion muslims in the world, the overwhelming majority are peaceful.
farizzal 1 year ago
@farizzal well terrorism is not in the topic so disregard that wer talking bout the book here,lol now ur saying that islam is hateful n intolerant while u said it was peaceful... what a liar,well thats true muslim needs enlightenment but i dont think thats gonna happen as the quran itself is violent unless theyre gonna edit it like the quran in the west, pro tips: quran in the middle east are different than the west version, the majority are intolerant of other religion how can that be peaceful
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 lol no I wasnt! I never said Islam is peaceful! I said most muslims that practice Islam are peaceful. You thought I was a Muslims because I was saying that Islam doesn't cause terrorism, political reasons do, so you thought I was saying Islam is a religion of peace. But I never said that. The Quran is the same everywhere, the differences are some minor translations, and the hadiths are where it is different, because some people follow all of them and some dont. Well you say
farizzal 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 how can it be peaceful when the book is violent? Look at Jews. How many Jews do you know that kill their neighbor for working on the sabbath? none. Because the western world had an enlightenment, and they ignore those parts of the book. If the Old Testament can be ignored in how many laws of death it has, then the violence in the Quran can be ignored as well with an enlightenment and secular principles.
farizzal 1 year ago
@farizzal lol :))) not really enlightenment is different in quran, unless they edit it, just like what the moderates r using right now, guess what they got 2 different quran, u sir are a big liar u clearly said that the islam is peaceful whilst i proved that it is not... dont lie please ive already quoted ur words
no iddnt thought about anything im just quoting ur words thats all u lied, therefore it is possible that ur lying about being an atheist, cos of ur knowledge n defence for islam
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 haha no, I never said that.. Islam is not a religion of peace, but it is not as violent as you make it out to be. The only thing I said was that MAINSTREAM Islam is peaceful, that means that the majority of Muslims are peaceful, not that the religion itself is peaceful. I just looked at all my comments and I never said "Islam is a religion of peace." You just assumed I did, like you assume a lot of things.
farizzal 1 year ago
@farizzal so if u said that the mainstream islam is peaceful, well still the same as islam is peaceful because theyre just the same as it is :)) quit bullshitting me muslim hahaha god facepalm w.e. u call it u still said it, so .... to conclude all of this, islam is not peaceful :)) lol w.e. if majority of muslims arent that violent just like u said, but im sure that majority of them are intolerant againsts non-muslims
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 no, like you said mainstream islam and minority islam are two different things. Fundamental Islam and Moderate Islam are two different things. Fundamental is violent, and Moderate is peaceful. Fundamental is minority, Moderate is majority. Therefore Majority (which is another word for mainstream) is peaceful. Not non-muslims, but Atheists yes, my family disowned me after I told them I am an Atheist. But in America Atheism is generally discriminated upon by everybody anyway.
farizzal 1 year ago
@farizzal well 1 question, is mainstream islam is islam or not? ofc it is islam therefore it is violent they may change the way it is written in "mainstream" but im sure that soon enough the "real islam" will be introduced because majority of islam is not moderate get it? only moderates are in the wests and im sure it is because i never seen a muslim country tolerates the practice of non-muslim religion and yes muslims are minority in the west most of them are in their homelands
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 By its very nature, fundamentalist religion is following religion to the T. Moderate Islam is the mainstream right now, and being moderate means ignoring parts of the book (this includes Christianity and Islam and Judaism). So if by "real Islam" you mean fundamentalist Islam, then no, fundamentalist Islam will never be the majority, because we have secular principles now. The fate of Islam in our world really depends on the Muslims who practice it, and right now moderates are
farizzal 1 year ago
@farizzal hilarious, but majority is intolerance bout other religion , great, :)) and what do you mean by "we"
"we have secular principles now"
hmmm
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 They are tolerant about Christianity and Judaism, relatively at least, but any other religion yea they are intolerant. By "We" I meant Western Civilization. Anyway, I think we're done here.
farizzal 1 year ago
@farizzal hahahahaha i dont think the word "we" uve used depicts the western world "we have secular principles now" u lying muslim cunt hahahahahaah finally lose the grip of ur tongue hey? i believe ur saying ur as a moderate that u guys have secular principles, :)) now you're talking like a real muslim
the battle just started... :)) ur gonna run away? muslim?
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 haha are you serious? I said I don't think fundamentalist Islam will ever become the mainstream because we (Western Civilization, The U.N., The U.S.) have secular principles to PREVENT a religion from becoming the laws of our nations. The United States and Wester, Secular countries will never be ruled by Islam because we have SECULAR principles that prevent that from happening. Wow you are so fucking stupid.
farizzal 1 year ago
@farizzal hahaha no moar excuses u slip ur tongue oops ur finger typing stuff, too much excuses, wow you sir are a fucking muslim liar what can you expect for a muslim, they lie, lie and lie just to defend their religion hahahaha u never fail to amuse me "we have secular principles now" <-- ur downfall guess what... everybody knows that muslims lie just to defend their religion ur "we" doesnt fit on ur statements
just admit it LOL that ur a muslim lying for islam everybody knows that
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 why would I say "we have secular principles now" about the muslim world? The Muslim world DOESNT have secular principles at all, they use the fucking Quran as law. I think no matter what I say, you read whatever you want to read and don't read what I am actually saying.If you actually look at my channel and my favorites, you will see I am an atheist. but whatever, I dont care if you dont believe me, you're just making a dumbass out of yourself for thinking Im a muslim.
farizzal 1 year ago
@farizzal i believe ur pointing at... the so called "moderates" lol u sir are a big liar, and a big muslim LOL this is youtube even i can upload some stolen vids and call it my own, to pretend as a muslim/atheist/christian/jew or w.e. this is interwebs, everything is not possible if u wanna hide ur identity , dude based on ur comments ur a muslim and no atheist would defend them "by the book" LOL what an atheist would say is"dont care, never care, and will never care" u muslim liar hahaha
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 haha wow. yea I fucking made this whole youtube channel to convince people i have never met or never will meet that im not a muslim. you are so deluded its sad.
farizzal 1 year ago
@farizzal dude im not deluded, im thinking practical, and its not uncommon dude... there are people i met/ had conversation in youtube,pretend to be non-muslims while defending the islam just like you did,and yes everything in the interwebs are can be manipulated
just like you said before there are people calling you muslim before we start this conv, and it is not possible for a muslim to create a youtube acc to defend islam LOL tell me y an atheist should defend the islam,if ur an atheist
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 haha im not defending islam. Im saying that we shouldnt kill all muslims. That's all.
farizzal 1 year ago
@farizzal really? LOL then why "mainstream islam is peaceful" hmmm islam .. ur defending it u retard, and why so defensive when i spit bout tolerance, "they are tolerant about Christianity and Judaism" if they are tolerant about non-muslims then how come that christians or jews there are being persecuted, old style persecution LOL how barbaric the islam is, and you said that they use the quran as law, then majority of muslims are not peaceful at all if they use the fucking law, theyre barbarians
anonymous133711 1 year ago
@anonymous133711 thats cuz mainstream islam doesnt follow the Quran completely, you dumbass. I dont think they are tolerant, I just said they are LESS tolerant with Atheists and Hindus then with Christians or Jews. Dumbass. The people that use the Quran as law are not the majority. Dumbass.
farizzal 1 year ago
@farizzal now ur saying theyre intolerant, im sorry but theres no "less" word in ur comment, and dumbass theyre not tolerant about other religion at all, retard most of the muslims in the world are intolerant therefore theyre not peaceful , and in my opinion islam shouldnt exists to create peace, because muslims doesnt have secular law and they use the quran as law, u fuckin serious man? u said it urself, and yeah most of the muslim countries in the world uses the quran as their base for law
anonymous133711 1 year ago