Violencia en Plaza Catalunya - Indignats Indignados HD

[jorovello]

Cada uno trabaja en algo que esta capacitado.

Hay médicos, arquitectos, conductores de autobuses... y policias.

Son perros guardianes, con un bozal y a final de mes les tiran el sueldo como a un perro la comida para que sobrevivan.

[bea300785]

No a la violencia, lo único que kieren es provocarnos, manos arriba por una democracia REAL!

[NY2012NY]

españa la madre tierra ? de nadie jajajaja tubieron la oportunidad de ser grandes conquistando a latino america pero se quedaron con las ganas  son pura mierrda

[incubusluvr]

@alevalli you dont need to testify!!!!! it dosent matter if you were there ! there is countless videos now showing what did happen that you werent there for and it shows unarmed people hands in the air being beaten! so the proof is in the pudding.but regardless i wish you all over there safety and resolution and hope everyone there is ok.they are BRAVE and i give them so much credit for standing their ground and not backing down to the bully pig punk losers that are beating them senseless

[alevalli]

@incubusluvr ... Whatever.

You obviously are missing the point here: I am not denying what may have happened later. I have my own opinion, based on the many videos I could see (I don't trust photos, they're often too ambiguous). But I don't think it is worth sharing it, because everyone, if really interested, can spend some time and make their own idea, like I did.

[alevalli]

My point is that you should thank everyone that shares plain evidence, in a transparent way. Information, facts, evidence, data, detail allow everyone to think based on them. Every piece of information is partial and limited on YouTube, Twitter, etcetera: if it contains factual evidence, though, it helps viewers to make the big picture on their own. If it is self glorification and self referentialism, with no facts attached, it does little help.

[1poiuztrewq2]

Revolution my ass. Most of them take events like this as amusement, something they won't do in their everyday life. Now it's time to move back into your apartment and office buildings people.

[pierrepollo]

@1poiuztrewq2 oh my god, how can you say that? Yes, people, lets all do as 1poiuztrewq2, lets all stay home, whatch tv, consume, lets all just be obidient workers

[1poiuztrewq2]

@pierrepollo

Maybe you start fighting instead of taking the beating like lil girls you fat lazy working class fuck!

[psycomedia]

Violence vs Nonviolence

Barcelona 27-M

watch?v=3yqzSSrXYOs

[alevalli]

It is interesting to see, @peponmiron, how this new instruments had an important role in very important political processes during the last five years. Fighting in ideological terms, and insulting and offending people on the Internet does not help, @peponmiron. You see, obviously I don't think that beating with no reason is a professional behavior. I wrote that trying to summarize and contextualize the video in the few hours I spent there.

[alevalli]

Alas, @peponmiron, it seems that the order of my replies to your insightful comment is displayed in the wrong order: you will have to check the timestamps to reorder it in the right way, if you care. I close my replies here by saying that I don't think I am a "dirty manipulator" and, as of today, no specialist diagnosed me any mental disease. Reacting like that, @peponmiron, in my humble opinion, does not help your cause. Alex.

[incubusluvr]

@alevalli ok it dosent matter what happened BEFORE they startyed beating innocent people! WHAT MATTERS IS WHAT HAPPENED WHEN THEY STARTED TO! IF a murderer dosent kill anybody BEFORE they commit murder dosent mean that murder dosent count or matter/theyre still dirty punk loser pigs who think theyre cool with theyre big sticks and shield.i hope someone lightsd theyre asses up and they would deserve it

[alevalli]

@incubusluvr ... whatever. Thank you for your thought. I will state it even more clearly. I am not giving or discussing opinions here. If Jesus Christ descended on the Plaza after 10.30am I was not there and I cannot testify.

[peponmiron]

En otros videos se ve como agreden a todo tipo de gente: mayor, joven, con mejor o peor aspecto, periodistas, todo aquel que estaba allí y que en ningún momento se defendió. La policía autonómica catalana hizo un uso excesivo e innecesario de la fuerza. El gobierno autonómico de la Generalitat de Catalunya deberá rendir cuentas en el parlament mañana lunes de los hechos.

[peponmiron]

People just have to see any other video to realize this one want to manipulate their opinion.

So, if you think beating with no reason is a very professional behavior, or you have a serious mental problem or you are just a dirty manipulator.

Si crees que golpear sin razón es un comportamiento muy profesional, o bien tienes un problema mental grave o no eres más que un sucio manipulador.

Ved cualquier otro vídeo: éste quiere manipular vuestra opinión.

[alevalli]

Dear @peponmiron

As you can read from my tweets (searching on Twitter for "liquene" AND "#acampadabcn), I went there just to document what I could see directly. I guess I was awaken by a helicopter, could not sleep, and went to see with my own eyes.

Approximately from 7am to 10.30am (I guess) I kept walking around the placa, and could see all of it (the inside from a distance), then I left (I wrote that in the video description).

[alevalli]

I wanted to report as much facts as possible, and as less opinions as possible. Most of the mess happened after 10.30am, I guess, because until that time there was a peaceful and civil confrontation inside and in all the corners of the placa, except for that where the garbage trucks where in a line ready to exit. The mossos started to push the people until the passage was thick enough to let the trucks out (and then in).

[alevalli]

Trust me @peponmiron, except for a couple cops (one of them is the one in second line in the video, which looked too nervous), among the hundreds I could see, the behavior was very professional. I talk for what I could see. I am not giving a generic opinion about all what happened in the day. I don't care about that.

The idea behind YouTube, Twitter, etc. is that by watching and reading from many, uncontrolled sources, everyone can make her own opinion.

[alevalli]

So you are right in suggesting people to see more videos, this is how YouTube works. I could see no one single protester covering her face (which is an outstanding example of civil behavior, compared to what happens in my country, Italy). I could see many people talking to the police, trying to explain that they were wrong, and asking them why they were armed. I recorded many videos, then watched them again, and put online the one that most summarized the confrontation. No cuts, no editing.

[alevalli]

I watched with interest, @peponmiron, many other videos about that day, both taken during the time span I was there, and later. I can say that I think my video shows in a neutral perspective what happened in that time span. Alas, I was saddened by other videos that were posted after making cuts. I don't think that is a good habit in such delicate situations. I also think that everyone that cares about such protests (like I do) should be happy that so many people take pictures and shoot videos.

[liecbr]

Es curioso ver como la policia disfruta pegando palos (solamente hay que observar los gestos de los mossos y como pegan sin necesidad de hacerlo), mientras el mismo gobierno les baja el sueldo.....

Yo animo a que siga la manifestación y que dure mucho!!, a ver si este gobierno se empieza a dar cuenta de que no puede jugar al monopoli con las vidas de los españoles.

[HTerrazon]

Una acampada legal en la ciudad nunca nos la concederían. Los políticos no quieren un cambio en el gobierno y por eso tenemos que protestar así. Comentarios contra los de la acampada, pensar que es por nuestro futuro, no para tener este estilo de vida de mierda.

[felixelrey]

IGNORANTE

[criticon39]

YA ESTA BUENOO Y REGRESEN A SUS PUTAS CASAS,O ACAMPEN EN EL CAMPOO POR DIOS CUANTA IGNORANCIA ESPAÑOLA DAIS VERGUENZA PANDAS DE GILIPOLLAS,PALOOOOOOOOOOOOO CON TODOS Y A MONTAR EL CHIRINGUITO EN VUESTRAS CASAS

[jerez8]

esto que ess!!!!!!!11 jipilandiaa!!!!! fueraa yaa ombree nada mas ke estan tocando los penes acampados

[blakord1]

jaja que de risa, apaleadores y apaleados son del mismo color, total esto no han pasado en España, esto ha pasado en Catalunya, no os confundais

[gomaxaxe]

ARRIBA LA REVOLUCION!

ANIMOS DESDE VALENCIA!

[michaelfastcom]

Qué vergüenza estos NEO-FASCISTAS (no los de la porra).

[MrVUVUCELO]

Spanish youth do not identify with these people, are only a minority of the extreme left, hippies, bums etc.

[alcon8]

VIVA LA REVOLUCION PACIFICA!!

[alevalli]

Here you can download the hires original mov: vimeoDOTcom/24308701

[baboonsquadron]

FIGHT BACK ! VIVA LA REVOLUTION

FUCK THE NWO !