I don't think it's fair to compare this duel to any in the prequel trilogy. First of all, it's two completely different choreographers (Bob Anderson and Nick Gillard) and secondly, this duel was intended to be more like a 'classical' duel between two Medival Knights/Samuri, whereas the prequel trilogy fights (along with most other fights in Movies nowadays) was ment to be more flashy and action-packed.
Well Ben wasn't suppose to duel Vader again since Revenge of the Sith, but create a diversion so Luke, Leia, Han, Chewie and the Droids could escape the Death Star. He was a decoy plus Vader and Obi-Wan aged progressively over 30 years after the events of Episode III. That's why logically the lightsaber duels are slower in the Classics. Also plus because evil takes over the galaxy from the Sith... technology has worn down.
This kinda pathatic if you compare it to the fight in episode 3. It's not about the visual effects but the choreography. On the other hand... the fights are probably the only good thing about the new episodes, so they had to be good xD
The fights in the new episodes are visually impressive, but completely boring.
Lots of shiny lights flashing across the screen, but the choreography seems artificial and the duels drag on for minutes and don't convey any emotions.
Well, I guess it's a matter of opinion. I like the action packed, emotionless 10 minute flights and think that the old fights were boring... you think the opposite.
I acutally dont know why so many people can like this these. It is so emotionless, it is so slow and the moves are so bad....no, not good. Overhyped, truely
To some extent this is the most realistic of all the lightsaber battles as it reflects something much closer to what real sword fighting looks like today. In that way, a film buff would find it very enjoyable. However, to insult the work and choreography of the later fights with all its flipping and grandiose is really an insult to the world which Lucas made. In lore, this was a battle between a very old man who specialized in defensive swordplay and a machine. Lucas still was prowd of this film
I still think,no matter how old or slow they are, the impact at 1:00 still carries some weight behind it like it did when it was first released. just a cool thing, idk
The light Saber fight there is pretty good. It looks pretty much like fencing except they use two hands with the light saber. When considering the spot that they were in I would not expect what we seen in new trilogy. Plus for the news ones they had the actors trained differently than the ones in the original trilogy for the light saber fights.
The reason I find the original trilogy so much better then the new ones is that they didn't NEED special effects because of the brilliant characters the much deeper story line.
if i was luke when he vanished ill be like "WTF?? where the F#ck did he go? *walks up to vader* u know where he went?" "no bro, dont have a clue" "*tries on robe* hey vader, hah, it fits me!!" "oh wow sweet man, it suits you, hey i need to bolt, laters bro" "yea laters Vader *high fives him*"
Who the hell cares that they are slow? They're missing the point...Star Wars is much more than the action. Just listen to the incredible exchange of words these two wise men partake in. When you focus only on the action, you miss an entire mine filled with philosophical gold
'If you strike me down I will become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.' My favourite Star Wars line, and it applies to anything. Better to attempt and fail, then you'll learn how to succeed. The worst thing you can do with anything, girls, work, sport, any endeavour, is not give it a go, then you'll never know or learn.
Ok, i love the original trilogy WAY more than the prequels, but this fight is just unbearable to watch. I've done martial arts and i'm FAR from being a master, but if you hand me a bokken, i'd defend myself much better then those two...
I always love the frame drop just before obi wan turns on his lightsaber and then he just turns his hand out to make it look like the already extended stick is coming out of the handel
@stormzyz1998 well vader is only in his 40s but he's robotic. and the reason obi wan is moving so slow is because he's fighting in the original jedi way (defensively) so he's not trying to kill him he's just trying to defended himself until luke gets there so he can create unconditional hate for vader in luke so that he won't be swayed by the dark side. That's what you get from growing up with these movies and taking them a little to seriously as a 10 year old (6 years ago) lol
I'll always love this fight. It looks like two men testing each others limits, finding openings, both wary of the fact that they're holding friggin laser swords, as opposed to the ridiculous kinetic battles of the sequels where every participant was more likely to chop off their own limbs than those of their enemies.
Far more fun to watch than the 10 minute long inconsistent light show in Episode III. So many great lines and emotions delivered here and none in the other one at all.
This is the first lightsaber fight in the history of our galaxy. Never try to disrespect it.
Btw, Luke's reaction and the "No!" right after the video ends is easily the most genuine out of all of them. Very heartfelt.
Lol i dont think its up for debate that this fight is slow. and not very action packed. Thats obvious. At the time it was, but it isent anymore. But you have to respect it because it was basiclly the first of its kind. Its like comparing super mario brothers to skyrim. As for as game content is concerned, skyrim wins.. but you have to realize that Mario brothers was a ground breaking game..
@kman618 Yeah, that poor geeky little turd can't get his jollies unless everything is super fast with loud music and there are lots of flashing lights regardless of whether or not the story is even any good. Even the lightsaber fights in V and VI are much longer and even more fast paced than this one and are far more interesting to watch than any in the prequels.
I don't know if you kids can get your minds around this, but when I was young this scene was literally the coolest thing I ever saw, ever. We played lightsabers for WEEKS after watching this. This scene captured the imagination of millions, and set the stage for decades of science fiction action.
So kiddos...this scene is where it all started. Show some respect.
Half of the fight sequences in the new ones look like some fucking video game. But the real problem isn't that, it is that the characters (in the prequels) are shit. If that wasn't the case, then sure, we could all probably acknowledge the more adapt, more expensive choreography or whatever. although it would still have to be tasteful, which it is not
@rickheideinger To make matters worse, George explains this fight away by claiming that "it's an old man against a man who's half machine so it's not much of a sword fight at all" which is actually very disrespectful toward Alec Guinness' and David Prowse's performance. Lucas would have LOVED for the two of them to be flipping around swinging like crazy in this fight but he couldn't do it in 1977. Lucky us.
@RevengeOfTheKaizer No, just no, no it does't Never give Lucas creative control or everything he touches turns to shit. Lucas wanted Solo to have a be an alien and C3 to be a cockney robot
@Allnamestakenzomg Yeah, and if they had ended up that way in the movie we'd have no choice but to accept them. Granted it probably would have ruined the film, but he ultimately decided on what we ended up with.
@RevengeOfTheKaizer i think it kinda make sense though. i wouldnt expect them to be as athletic as their younger self. besides, darth vader with his robotic suit and cape jumping around like yoda would look ridiculous
@philanderadriaan Yoda jumping and flipping around with a lightsaber already looks ridiculous. That's the whole point, lightsaber battles in general don't need to be much more complex or longer than this one or the two between Luke and Vader. Less is more, in this case.
@philanderadriaan Yoda really shouldn't need a lightsaber. Before the prequels it always felt like he was too powerful to even need one. Same with Palpatine, for that matter.
Shut the fuck up with the "emotion" and the "they were good for their time" and especially the plain old "I like the sequel trilogy lightsaber battles better" sure everyone if entitled to their opinion but so am I, the old battles compared to the new are shit, and to be honest as much as I love SW the movies could have been made soooo much better, every single one of them, kudos to George for coming up with the idea but Christ the man should know he should not be the one making the damn movies/
@DixonJZT Yes, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, which means I can give you a thumbs down for thinking your opinion is bullshit. That's my opinion right there, you action-addicted, disrespectful prick.
@mrdannyc1 i actually complete disagree i liked the sequels/prequels i grew up with those more then the originals but the emotion i feel watching this compared to obi wan and anakin in esp 3 is not even comparable
@Omalley1018 fair enough:) emotion, i suppose, but i personally would rather see an action packed mental lightsaber battle, rather than a slow emotional one.. if george ever made remakes of the old ones however, please someone shoot him
@mrdannyc1 Better, as in needlessly/unrealistically longer and flashier? For sure. Just like most of the fight scenes. Lucas used action scenes as a crutch to distract people from his inexplicably awful cinematography, dialogue, and characterization.
can any star war fan tell me the difference between the blue & green light saber? I was told that if you have a blue one your a Jedi knight but if you have a green one your a Jedi master is this true?
@magnum1165 depends on where you look. in the original trilogy it was just going to be blue and red, but they changed lukes lightsaber to green in return of the jedi cus blue blended in against the sky in the tatooine fight scene. in some video games/books it represents rank of jedi and in some comics the colour changes depending on who activates the blade (this ones been long forgotten tho). it just depends on where you look
@619badazz13 He didn't have to die for Luke to take over but I guess he couldn't kill Darth Vader because Luke had to confront him still. Actually, I have a new theory about why he stood there and let Vader kill him. He was concentrating/meditating so he could be one with the force and could return in spirit right away.
You can tell they filmed this movie before they developed a more thorough idea of lightsaber battling. I would say that this was just as fast as they dueled back then, but even Luke's battles with Vader in episodes 5 and 6 were more intense than this.
What I love about this film unlike almost any other Star Wars film in the saga is that the lightsaber duel has nothing to do with the climax, which means that this film has more to offer than a duel between to very interesting characters
the old star wars movies suck ass compared to the new ones. anyone that says other wise is stuck in the 70's it may have been good during those times but watching it now it really looks crappy it looks like there fencing lmaoooo on guard
@basedking That doesn't look anything like fencing. You are stupid if you think that it does and even more stupid if you think that the prequels are superior.
haha i like the comments that they look like two old men swinging canes AHHAHA they pretty much were at this point in there lives haha u cant expect Anakin to move like he did when he was young ahah same for Obi-wan ahah n thats why this scene is amazing to watch knowing everything theyve gone through lol could of been more exciting tho...maybe a nurse to help em out =P
YES!!! After so much work I finally catched the plastic sword in 1:25. Not the famous spot where you can clearly see it, but a bit before. The sword is suddenly black(plastic) and the surrounding color is white. It lasts for about half a second. Very hard to catch.
so I came here because I read that two times during this scene Obi Wan and Vader can be seen holding their lightsabers with the colors switched, but I'm not seeing it. there are a couple times during close-ups where the angles the lightsabers are crossing is a bit confusing but I can't see them explicitly showing one holding the opposite color lightsaber. can anyone see it and point it out for me?
its kind of jarring to watch this and then watch their duel in revenge of the sith. in that one theyre both awesome, and in this one, theyre either weak or just playing around
Here's the thing most of the people don't get, to simplify what Redlettermedia's review said: "Lightsaber duels are more complex then two guys swinging lightsabers at each other. It's not about the duel itself, or how flashy the moves are. It's an internal conflict." Here this is displayed perfectly. These two have not seen each other in years. This was more than just a lightsaber fight, this was an internal conflict in two people.
@shade881993 Really? I remember when this came out in 77 up until the prequals it was never mentioned about any 'internal conflict', it was just two old enemies fighting - all fans cared about was how the effects were done. Fuck that hack RedLetterMedia. He played you fanboy's like the blind fool's you are - and your still swallowing it! hahaha!!
Ive felt this way about the prequels long before harry plinkitt, he just pretty much confirms what i was thinking.
regarding special effects:
1. CGI special effects aren't impressive. A fat nerd in his mom's basement can make those. Lucas had to do some amazing thigns in the OT to pull off the spex scences. Now he pl ays with his computer. /yawn
2. In the words of george lucas, "a special effect without a story is a pretty boring thing."
@luis6079 Well first off, I will say that I am not a "fanboy", more like a fan... Second of all, I will use a quote that Obi Wan says in Star Wars: Return of the Jedi, (The worse of the original films...) "From a certain point of view." So we all have different opinion of Star Wars, but whether you like the movie, or not, I think we can all agree that Star Wars is pretty awesome.
Actaully idiot Vader was only 43 here and Obi wan was 57 so they weren’t that old count dooku was about 82 when he fought both anakin and obi wan in episode lll and was way faster.
@xanderdude123 They were planned by Lucas during the development of the originals, yes. That doesn't mean they're good, though. I suggest watch RedLetterMedia's reviews of the prequels, then you'll understand why those films killed the franchise.
@AlmightyHiggey Fuck RedLetterMedia - he played you fanboys like a harp from hell! He got his 15minutes of fame by doing the obvious and overtly nitpicking based on all the butthurt fanboys bitching. Then he lost his cred when he tried that same crap on movies like Star Trek's First Contact among others and fail miserably. The Prequals didn't "kill" the franchise - bitch, whine, complain all you want - they will be around and adored long after you and I are gone.
Compare camera work in the two trilogies. George Lucas should never direct again, when someone else had their say, the movies were brilliant. When Lucas controlled everything, the camera work was amature shot/reverse shot and the blocking was boring und unrealist.c
@TheDeistAngle Hmm. I have been a fan of Star Wars since I was 10 in 1977. Until the prequals came out - never, not once! Was the OT Star Wars known for either it's camera work (which is quite static during the non-spex scenes) or it's 'story arc and acting' (if anything, the story was always compared to other movies in which it was lifted) - all press and word of mouth was effects, effects, effects. Now, it is all reveresed and two-faced. This prequal hating nonsense is really getting old.
It broke new ground in special effects scenes, but there was still something of substance there.
I'll agree that the special effects were what made it stick in the minds of people, but that was because the other necissary elements of a movie were there.
if you block everything shot-reverse shot, make the dialouge boring and dry, and have absoluktley no substance or conflict in your characters other than the type a 5 year old would envision, well the special effects really don't matter
@xanderdude123 Yes they were planned, but they weren't planned to be filled with shitty acting, terrible dialogue, plot holes, aimed at kids and too much CGI because no one would question Lucas when he was creating the prequels. I mean really would you?
@NottinghamForest22 The acting and writing weren't very good, and betray the spirit of the original trilogy, but the prequels are still enjoyable if you think of them as Michael Bay mindless action flick type movies. Attack of the Clones definitely had the worst acting, but at least there was a purpose to the overall plot (starting the Clone Wars to give Palpatine an army), unlike Phantom Menace which only existed to introduce a bunch of characters that didn't get used in the following films.
@xanderdude123 no the prequels were not planned during episodes 4-6, George Lucas wanted more money so he mindlessly made the prequels which make a lick of sense and don't match up with the original trilogy, only the die hard clueless Star Wars fanboys would say episodes 1-3 where good. They were utter trash and an insult to the classic trilogy.
@xanderdude123 The original Star Wars movies were titles 'Episode V' et al to invoke memories of movie serials. It wasn't at the time a serious attempt to create a 6 part saga. Lucas just followed that structure to allude to the possibility of a larger universe which ultimately did not need to be elaborated upon. 'The Phantom Menace' wasn't premeditated, at least not when the first two films were created
Planned? That's UTTERLY false from the get-go. The original movie, "Star Wars," was meant to be a standalone movie. Hence the very tightly fit ending to the movie, but then Fox wanted him to make it a trilogy, so he hired people more talented and dedicated than him to direct the movies.
I don't think it's fair to compare this duel to any in the prequel trilogy. First of all, it's two completely different choreographers (Bob Anderson and Nick Gillard) and secondly, this duel was intended to be more like a 'classical' duel between two Medival Knights/Samuri, whereas the prequel trilogy fights (along with most other fights in Movies nowadays) was ment to be more flashy and action-packed.
tyrannosaur1 1 day ago
Well Ben wasn't suppose to duel Vader again since Revenge of the Sith, but create a diversion so Luke, Leia, Han, Chewie and the Droids could escape the Death Star. He was a decoy plus Vader and Obi-Wan aged progressively over 30 years after the events of Episode III. That's why logically the lightsaber duels are slower in the Classics. Also plus because evil takes over the galaxy from the Sith... technology has worn down.
KyleKatarn789 2 days ago
@KyleKatarn789 Have you ever played Jedi knight dark forces 2? I love that game!
17kyle1 20 hours ago
Vader's lightsaber had no flare edges and looks more like a glow stick then a lightsaber.
KyleKatarn789 2 days ago
This kinda pathatic if you compare it to the fight in episode 3. It's not about the visual effects but the choreography. On the other hand... the fights are probably the only good thing about the new episodes, so they had to be good xD
ihr0ppa 2 days ago
@ihr0ppa
The fights in the new episodes are visually impressive, but completely boring.
Lots of shiny lights flashing across the screen, but the choreography seems artificial and the duels drag on for minutes and don't convey any emotions.
Molo9000 1 day ago
@Molo9000
Well, I guess it's a matter of opinion. I like the action packed, emotionless 10 minute flights and think that the old fights were boring... you think the opposite.
ihr0ppa 1 day ago
lol 1:40 obi's all like yeah suck it vader
JoshuaPhillips27 4 days ago
Awesome
kimkassugo 5 days ago
Where did Obi Wan go!!! Ahhh he disappeared!!!
iAlwaysKnowIt 5 days ago
@iAlwaysKnowIt he became one one with the force!
rey2103 5 days ago
wowchers..so dramatic...
barelovecheese 1 week ago
At 1:26, Obi: You Will Di- Oh Crap Man, Hang On, My Batteries Died.
Neverabunnyh8r 1 week ago
He disapeared
Sk8terBoiJim 1 week ago
Oh no..... Obi come back! We love your beard!
MyFantasticRose 1 week ago
How come obi wans lightsaber is blue at 1:29... Lo
WhiteGirlPlease 1 week ago
i was watching this yesterday!!!
CHERRYNOEMI 1 week ago
I'm so happy Christina favorited this video. I'm in love.
slipknotian99 1 week ago
Between 1:26 and 1:28 Obi won has no light on his sabre
Iniahk 1 week ago
Thumbs up If Christina Grimmie brought you here~
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DRAGONIRONFIST 1 week ago
What movie is this? Looks pretty sweet
killzone10 1 week ago
@killzone10 It's in the title of the video...
TheThreeHeadedDragon 1 week ago
I acutally dont know why so many people can like this these. It is so emotionless, it is so slow and the moves are so bad....no, not good. Overhyped, truely
wg15music 1 week ago
@wg15music Do you know when this was made? Do you kno- you know what? Never mind, I can never get through to people like you with normal logic.
ryanstempien1 1 week ago
To some extent this is the most realistic of all the lightsaber battles as it reflects something much closer to what real sword fighting looks like today. In that way, a film buff would find it very enjoyable. However, to insult the work and choreography of the later fights with all its flipping and grandiose is really an insult to the world which Lucas made. In lore, this was a battle between a very old man who specialized in defensive swordplay and a machine. Lucas still was prowd of this film
Sasern 1 week ago
And Team Grimmie Arrives!
rooshi7 1 week ago
an old man vs a hybrid man/robot, this fight was an epic fail, at 00:36 obi wan does a pathetic turn around "trick" if u could call it that?!
ScottyToHottyPEG 1 week ago
1:27 Epic fail..
TetrisFan95 1 week ago
sho old.
gaktasa 1 week ago
team grimmie
cinastick1 1 week ago 7
Christina grimmie brought me here SNSD!!!!!!!!!!!
MrLevicrz 1 week ago 62
@MrLevicrz No one cares.
RayWlllaimJohnson 1 day ago
@RayWlllaimJohnson Poser And 62 people care bitch *blocked*
MrLevicrz 1 day ago
pathetic, completely pathetic
julianzolo 1 week ago
they should redo this fight scene; it's the worst in the series. Obi Wan's spin at 0:34 is pathetic...
MrJack83124 1 week ago
I still think,no matter how old or slow they are, the impact at 1:00 still carries some weight behind it like it did when it was first released. just a cool thing, idk
NewbieDrumming 1 week ago
0:36 i laughed so hard when obi-wan made that turn lol
thekingofinfinity 1 week ago
1:28 - 1:29 light saber turns into grey stick
Allnamestakenzomg 2 weeks ago
George should've revamped the rematch between Ben Vs Vader
apollonas101 2 weeks ago
after watching the prequels it looks kinda strange when obi-wan calls him "darth" and not "anakin".
vkostic600 2 weeks ago
The light Saber fight there is pretty good. It looks pretty much like fencing except they use two hands with the light saber. When considering the spot that they were in I would not expect what we seen in new trilogy. Plus for the news ones they had the actors trained differently than the ones in the original trilogy for the light saber fights.
NY1054Cool 2 weeks ago
The reason I find the original trilogy so much better then the new ones is that they didn't NEED special effects because of the brilliant characters the much deeper story line.
CapsLock959 2 weeks ago
1:47
vader; thats for cutting my limbs off beeeyotch
sabian171 2 weeks ago
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if i was luke when he vanished ill be like "WTF?? where the F#ck did he go? *walks up to vader* u know where he went?" "no bro, dont have a clue" "*tries on robe* hey vader, hah, it fits me!!" "oh wow sweet man, it suits you, hey i need to bolt, laters bro" "yea laters Vader *high fives him*"
LOL
IDONTKNOW90090 2 weeks ago
Who the hell cares that they are slow? They're missing the point...Star Wars is much more than the action. Just listen to the incredible exchange of words these two wise men partake in. When you focus only on the action, you miss an entire mine filled with philosophical gold
myraxg 2 weeks ago
Guys, their moving slow because they're old! Vader's in his 40's and he's a cyborg, and obi wan must be somewhere in his 60's.
kmdmpsy1 2 weeks ago
'If you strike me down I will become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.' My favourite Star Wars line, and it applies to anything. Better to attempt and fail, then you'll learn how to succeed. The worst thing you can do with anything, girls, work, sport, any endeavour, is not give it a go, then you'll never know or learn.
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Ok, i love the original trilogy WAY more than the prequels, but this fight is just unbearable to watch. I've done martial arts and i'm FAR from being a master, but if you hand me a bokken, i'd defend myself much better then those two...
Agahnim01 3 weeks ago
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Agahnim01 3 weeks ago
i thought it was interesting to watch some kid do backflips everywhere :S
xiyuemaa 3 weeks ago
Lol go read a book on film making kid
thealienking0007mgs 3 weeks ago
No episode 3 was not good no character development or story just CGI shit
thealienking0007mgs 1 month ago
@thealienking0007mgs
YOU ARE FUCKING IDIOTIC!
betterthanbooks 3 weeks ago
Ben is an asshole.
udqbpn 1 month ago
My powers are weak Darth? Orly? Why the hell you breathin so fast @ 1:30 and up lol!
vamtheanomaly 1 month ago
I always love the frame drop just before obi wan turns on his lightsaber and then he just turns his hand out to make it look like the already extended stick is coming out of the handel
aa72on 1 month ago
@stormzyz1998 well vader is only in his 40s but he's robotic. and the reason obi wan is moving so slow is because he's fighting in the original jedi way (defensively) so he's not trying to kill him he's just trying to defended himself until luke gets there so he can create unconditional hate for vader in luke so that he won't be swayed by the dark side. That's what you get from growing up with these movies and taking them a little to seriously as a 10 year old (6 years ago) lol
aa72on 1 month ago
It's kind of obvious they're slow because they're OLD. Did you guys not see that? It's not like they are young anymore.
Stormzyz1998 1 month ago
I'll always love this fight. It looks like two men testing each others limits, finding openings, both wary of the fact that they're holding friggin laser swords, as opposed to the ridiculous kinetic battles of the sequels where every participant was more likely to chop off their own limbs than those of their enemies.
ruzkin 1 month ago 7
If you strike me down I shall become more powerful that you can possibly imagine
MegaHenriquecarlos 1 month ago
fail lightsaber 1:27
heytekmax 1 month ago
you didn't leave him he chopped your legs off and left you
satmtca 1 month ago
@satmtca Well, technically he did renounce the Jedi Order and become a Sith Lord before that, so...
titansupes 3 weeks ago
The fight is actually about something emotional and storywise
Was there any point to any of the fights in the prequels? Other then Lucas showcasing his latest computers
Tacom4ster 1 month ago
@Tacom4ster
In Episode 3 - the fight between Obi Wan and Anakin was pretty emotional. And several others.
simplyivan16 1 month ago
@Tacom4ster Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan vs Maul - Yes
Anakin vs Dooku - Yes
Yoda vs Palpatine - Yes
Anakin vs Obi-Wan - Yes
jlmdfnbo 1 month ago
Far more fun to watch than the 10 minute long inconsistent light show in Episode III. So many great lines and emotions delivered here and none in the other one at all.
This is the first lightsaber fight in the history of our galaxy. Never try to disrespect it.
Btw, Luke's reaction and the "No!" right after the video ends is easily the most genuine out of all of them. Very heartfelt.
RevengeOfTheKaizer 1 month ago
When you watch this film after episode III, there is a much different feeling with this so called, "simple fight"
mmevh0711 1 month ago
NO!
537CH 1 month ago
Man even though this obi wan is old he still got mad skills
anixben 1 month ago
Lol i dont think its up for debate that this fight is slow. and not very action packed. Thats obvious. At the time it was, but it isent anymore. But you have to respect it because it was basiclly the first of its kind. Its like comparing super mario brothers to skyrim. As for as game content is concerned, skyrim wins.. but you have to realize that Mario brothers was a ground breaking game..
Ecocide112 2 months ago
To quote the video about the originals vs the prequels:
"Did you SEE the lightsaber battles in the originals? Fwoom, fwoom.... fwoom. BOOORING!"
But really though, this was some old school shit. Epic.
kman618 2 months ago
@kman618 Yeah, that poor geeky little turd can't get his jollies unless everything is super fast with loud music and there are lots of flashing lights regardless of whether or not the story is even any good. Even the lightsaber fights in V and VI are much longer and even more fast paced than this one and are far more interesting to watch than any in the prequels.
RevengeOfTheKaizer 1 month ago
1:45
Darth Vader: Hey Obi-Wan remember that time on Coruscant that you thought I was gonna be the death of you.
Obi-Wan: Yes I decided to believe you that you weren't gonna be the death of me.
Darth Vader: Well guess what?
Obi-Wan: What?
Darth Vader: Its True!=3
*Vader kills Obi-Wan*
Walkerandstuff 2 months ago
He die?
narutogtv1 2 months ago
I don't know if you kids can get your minds around this, but when I was young this scene was literally the coolest thing I ever saw, ever. We played lightsabers for WEEKS after watching this. This scene captured the imagination of millions, and set the stage for decades of science fiction action.
So kiddos...this scene is where it all started. Show some respect.
Kiahsobyk 2 months ago
Half of the fight sequences in the new ones look like some fucking video game. But the real problem isn't that, it is that the characters (in the prequels) are shit. If that wasn't the case, then sure, we could all probably acknowledge the more adapt, more expensive choreography or whatever. although it would still have to be tasteful, which it is not
rickheideinger 2 months ago
@rickheideinger To make matters worse, George explains this fight away by claiming that "it's an old man against a man who's half machine so it's not much of a sword fight at all" which is actually very disrespectful toward Alec Guinness' and David Prowse's performance. Lucas would have LOVED for the two of them to be flipping around swinging like crazy in this fight but he couldn't do it in 1977. Lucky us.
RevengeOfTheKaizer 1 month ago 19
@RevengeOfTheKaizer The slow pace can be attributed to two swordmasters who are at the top of their game and respecting each other's prowess.
Wargoat6 2 weeks ago
@Wargoat6 Unfortunately that's not what George says, and what he says automatically becomes "canon".
RevengeOfTheKaizer 2 weeks ago
@RevengeOfTheKaizer No, just no, no it does't Never give Lucas creative control or everything he touches turns to shit. Lucas wanted Solo to have a be an alien and C3 to be a cockney robot
Allnamestakenzomg 2 weeks ago
@Allnamestakenzomg Yeah, and if they had ended up that way in the movie we'd have no choice but to accept them. Granted it probably would have ruined the film, but he ultimately decided on what we ended up with.
RevengeOfTheKaizer 1 week ago
@RevengeOfTheKaizer i think it kinda make sense though. i wouldnt expect them to be as athletic as their younger self. besides, darth vader with his robotic suit and cape jumping around like yoda would look ridiculous
philanderadriaan 1 week ago
@philanderadriaan Yoda jumping and flipping around with a lightsaber already looks ridiculous. That's the whole point, lightsaber battles in general don't need to be much more complex or longer than this one or the two between Luke and Vader. Less is more, in this case.
RevengeOfTheKaizer 1 week ago
@RevengeOfTheKaizer but yoda won't be able to cut ppl in half if he wasn't as athletic as he was
philanderadriaan 1 week ago
@philanderadriaan Yoda really shouldn't need a lightsaber. Before the prequels it always felt like he was too powerful to even need one. Same with Palpatine, for that matter.
RevengeOfTheKaizer 1 week ago
@RevengeOfTheKaizer but sometimes it is obvious that a contest cannot be decided by the knowledge of the force but by the skills with a lightsaber
philanderadriaan 1 week ago
@philanderadriaan Lol, only one who is inferior at using the Force would say that. :P
RevengeOfTheKaizer 1 week ago
@RevengeOfTheKaizer thats exactly what dooku said to yoda
philanderadriaan 1 week ago
@philanderadriaan That's who I was referring to. :P
RevengeOfTheKaizer 1 week ago
@RevengeOfTheKaizer lol
philanderadriaan 1 week ago
@RevengeOfTheKaizer why lucky for us?
Kansutachi 1 week ago
And in the newer movies, half the time you can't even see what's going on.
sanjurosama 2 months ago
The duels in the original trilogy are better simply because they get straight to the point and you can feel that every move counts.
sanjurosama 2 months ago
lamest fight in the universe...
ershel 2 months ago
@ershel lamest comment in the universe
excelbolt 2 months ago
@ershel and I assume you think Hayden Christiensen is a good actor...
lnchan 1 month ago
Looks like 2 old geezers fighting with their canes.
jshrubz 2 months ago
@jshrubz what do you expect kids fighting? lol
Sonny14251 2 months ago
Compare their lightsaber battles. Episodes 1,2,3 were more action. I love show star wars started from 4,5,6. then to 1,2,3 :D
redzaaredzaa 2 months ago
The fight in ROTS was more emotional than this one and has 1:35 been sped up? I swear it wasn't this fast when I watched ANH..
KupoNinja 2 months ago
Shut the fuck up with the "emotion" and the "they were good for their time" and especially the plain old "I like the sequel trilogy lightsaber battles better" sure everyone if entitled to their opinion but so am I, the old battles compared to the new are shit, and to be honest as much as I love SW the movies could have been made soooo much better, every single one of them, kudos to George for coming up with the idea but Christ the man should know he should not be the one making the damn movies/
DixonJZT 2 months ago
@DixonJZT Yes, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, which means I can give you a thumbs down for thinking your opinion is bullshit. That's my opinion right there, you action-addicted, disrespectful prick.
Videogamer3692 2 months ago
1:28 fail
50arnaldo 2 months ago
ah the wonders of the lightsaber back when it could make peoples bodies vanish completely just from a touch :P
NinjaKage100 2 months ago
Funniest thing is that Darth Vader sounds nothing like Hayden Christensen (Anakin Skywalker/Darth vader).
RobbyStef 2 months ago
people can hate as much as they like on the sequels, but their lightsaber battles were so much better that is all.
mrdannyc1 2 months ago
@mrdannyc1 i actually complete disagree i liked the sequels/prequels i grew up with those more then the originals but the emotion i feel watching this compared to obi wan and anakin in esp 3 is not even comparable
Omalley1018 2 months ago
@Omalley1018 fair enough:) emotion, i suppose, but i personally would rather see an action packed mental lightsaber battle, rather than a slow emotional one.. if george ever made remakes of the old ones however, please someone shoot him
mrdannyc1 2 months ago
@mrdannyc1 Better, as in needlessly/unrealistically longer and flashier? For sure. Just like most of the fight scenes. Lucas used action scenes as a crutch to distract people from his inexplicably awful cinematography, dialogue, and characterization.
TheLurchdaddy 1 month ago
Epic Battle!! Look at them go!! Woohh!! Fast as the wind baby
chrischico 2 months ago
@magnum1165 that was originally the case in the old republic, but that was done away with between episode 1 and 2.
Realirimaru 3 months ago
can any star war fan tell me the difference between the blue & green light saber? I was told that if you have a blue one your a Jedi knight but if you have a green one your a Jedi master is this true?
magnum1165 3 months ago
@magnum1165 i didn't know that you can judge from the colour of the lightsaber,but if that is the case,what is Mace Windu then ? :)))
infested9846 3 months ago
@infested9846 Mace is in a class of his own, BAMF :)
mooglelove99 2 months ago
@magnum1165 No, it has nothing to do with rank, green represents; Life, enthusiasm, and learning. Blue represents strength, security, and stability.
ThomasTheNook 2 months ago
@magnum1165 depends on where you look. in the original trilogy it was just going to be blue and red, but they changed lukes lightsaber to green in return of the jedi cus blue blended in against the sky in the tatooine fight scene. in some video games/books it represents rank of jedi and in some comics the colour changes depending on who activates the blade (this ones been long forgotten tho). it just depends on where you look
ternalator 2 months ago
A New Hope is much better than Batman Begins is
92af 3 months ago
Nooooo
CookieOTasty 3 months ago
Probably the most epic, and at same time lamest, light saber fight of them all!
knaepsimon 3 months ago
Is this the original audio? It sounds like it.
miltonluvsno1 4 months ago
all the star wars fights are great and i love star wars but for some reason i never quite liked this fight, its way to lame
garrettgrefe14 5 months ago
Lamest lightsaber fight ever!
potatoboy89 5 months ago
WHY DID OBI ONE LET HIM SELF BE KILLED ? THATS ONE THING IM STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT ?
619badazz13 6 months ago
@619badazz13 It's one of the biggest mindfucks in film history. Vader is left standing there like "...the robe is...empty."
TKDLION 5 months ago
@TKDLION im thinking he did that so luke can be the one to take over , since hes younger
619badazz13 5 months ago
@619badazz13 He didn't have to die for Luke to take over but I guess he couldn't kill Darth Vader because Luke had to confront him still. Actually, I have a new theory about why he stood there and let Vader kill him. He was concentrating/meditating so he could be one with the force and could return in spirit right away.
TKDLION 5 months ago
@TKDLION idk tell me if this sounds rgt , he did it because luke is the only one that can bring back vader to the light side , idk
619badazz13 5 months ago
You can tell they filmed this movie before they developed a more thorough idea of lightsaber battling. I would say that this was just as fast as they dueled back then, but even Luke's battles with Vader in episodes 5 and 6 were more intense than this.
NAVGFan 6 months ago
"So Obi-Wan, We meet again. What part of 'Stay 50 Yards Away at All Times' Don't You Understand?" -Stewie/Vader.
GreenCollegeMan 6 months ago
What I love about this film unlike almost any other Star Wars film in the saga is that the lightsaber duel has nothing to do with the climax, which means that this film has more to offer than a duel between to very interesting characters
MrDavidFILM 6 months ago
looks like they haven't stretched for a while
philanderadriaan 6 months ago
@philanderadriaan Yeah, kinda does. I have to say that Count Dooku puts Obi Wan to shame.
TKDLION 5 months ago
the old star wars movies suck ass compared to the new ones. anyone that says other wise is stuck in the 70's it may have been good during those times but watching it now it really looks crappy it looks like there fencing lmaoooo on guard
basedking 7 months ago
@basedking na eps 1 and 2 were kind of gay , except the yoda vs dooko
619badazz13 6 months ago
@basedking That doesn't look anything like fencing. You are stupid if you think that it does and even more stupid if you think that the prequels are superior.
TKDLION 5 months ago
haha i like the comments that they look like two old men swinging canes AHHAHA they pretty much were at this point in there lives haha u cant expect Anakin to move like he did when he was young ahah same for Obi-wan ahah n thats why this scene is amazing to watch knowing everything theyve gone through lol could of been more exciting tho...maybe a nurse to help em out =P
Mike4UFC 7 months ago
@Mike4UFC
Erm anakin cant fight when he was young? you do know he is only 42 here....
besides that he is the chosen one..
and dooku was more then twice his age in ep 2-3 and kicked some ass, hell even qui gonn jinn was 60 in ep1 and kicked mauls ass for some time
darknessguy 4 months ago
YES!!! After so much work I finally catched the plastic sword in 1:25. Not the famous spot where you can clearly see it, but a bit before. The sword is suddenly black(plastic) and the surrounding color is white. It lasts for about half a second. Very hard to catch.
DarthRushy 7 months ago
@DarthRushy Makes Obi-Wan's sword look like a darksaber in 1:25
DarthRushy 7 months ago
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DarthRushy 7 months ago
Star Wars is much better than The Dark Knight is
92af 8 months ago
so I came here because I read that two times during this scene Obi Wan and Vader can be seen holding their lightsabers with the colors switched, but I'm not seeing it. there are a couple times during close-ups where the angles the lightsabers are crossing is a bit confusing but I can't see them explicitly showing one holding the opposite color lightsaber. can anyone see it and point it out for me?
gir2525 8 months ago
@gir2525 You were misinformed. Such is the risk of the Internet.
SorWiz9 7 months ago
its kind of jarring to watch this and then watch their duel in revenge of the sith. in that one theyre both awesome, and in this one, theyre either weak or just playing around
92chillwill 9 months ago
this is from the limided edition. This is the 19977 version
sgernet 9 months ago
I look at the comments and I see essays being written. Can we just sit here and watch one of the most memorable scenes is Star Wars.
soccerfan961 9 months ago
@multiblade77 bcos Lucas cudn't think of anything useful 4 him 2 do in the thrid act
227060 10 months ago
this fight was awsome b4 ep III, now tho its even bttr. I love how the Stormtroopers r just watching like "shud we like do anything"
"nah with our aim we'd probly hit our guy"
227060 10 months ago
Here's the thing most of the people don't get, to simplify what Redlettermedia's review said: "Lightsaber duels are more complex then two guys swinging lightsabers at each other. It's not about the duel itself, or how flashy the moves are. It's an internal conflict." Here this is displayed perfectly. These two have not seen each other in years. This was more than just a lightsaber fight, this was an internal conflict in two people.
shade881993 10 months ago
@shade881993 Really? I remember when this came out in 77 up until the prequals it was never mentioned about any 'internal conflict', it was just two old enemies fighting - all fans cared about was how the effects were done. Fuck that hack RedLetterMedia. He played you fanboy's like the blind fool's you are - and your still swallowing it! hahaha!!
luis6079 9 months ago
@luis6079
also, a few things:
Ive felt this way about the prequels long before harry plinkitt, he just pretty much confirms what i was thinking.
regarding special effects:
1. CGI special effects aren't impressive. A fat nerd in his mom's basement can make those. Lucas had to do some amazing thigns in the OT to pull off the spex scences. Now he pl ays with his computer. /yawn
2. In the words of george lucas, "a special effect without a story is a pretty boring thing."
TheDeistAngle 9 months ago
@luis6079 Well first off, I will say that I am not a "fanboy", more like a fan... Second of all, I will use a quote that Obi Wan says in Star Wars: Return of the Jedi, (The worse of the original films...) "From a certain point of view." So we all have different opinion of Star Wars, but whether you like the movie, or not, I think we can all agree that Star Wars is pretty awesome.
shade881993 9 months ago
Darth Vader 50 Obi Wan 75 years old and still fighting!
ESfilming 10 months ago
Actaully idiot Vader was only 43 here and Obi wan was 57 so they weren’t that old count dooku was about 82 when he fought both anakin and obi wan in episode lll and was way faster.
charlieiscool1000 10 months ago
@charlieiscool1000 yeah but he had the darkside on his, er, side, unlike Obi Wan and Vader was crippled so it balances out
227060 10 months ago
obi wan let his self die he was not trying
jeffhardyrofftops 10 months ago
@jeffhardyrofftops
He saw the stormtroopers closing in - he was going to get shot anyway.
He decided to do his disappearing act.
jazzx251 10 months ago
@jazzx251 yeah but he is a jedi master and plus luke and every one was their
jeffhardyrofftops 10 months ago
My god looking at the fanboy comments are ridiculous. Seeing stuff like
"The original Star Wars films were the best and the real deal..the prequels are the worst movies ever"
Fuck off. All Star Wars movies are awesome. These Prequels were probably planned during 4,5 & 6 were coming out. Man people can be stupid...
xanderdude123 10 months ago 13
@xanderdude123 well the animated clone wars film wasn't that gr8. mind u if u just watch it as the pilot ep of the Tv series its ok
227060 10 months ago
@xanderdude123 They were planned by Lucas during the development of the originals, yes. That doesn't mean they're good, though. I suggest watch RedLetterMedia's reviews of the prequels, then you'll understand why those films killed the franchise.
AlmightyHiggey 9 months ago
@AlmightyHiggey Fuck RedLetterMedia - he played you fanboys like a harp from hell! He got his 15minutes of fame by doing the obvious and overtly nitpicking based on all the butthurt fanboys bitching. Then he lost his cred when he tried that same crap on movies like Star Trek's First Contact among others and fail miserably. The Prequals didn't "kill" the franchise - bitch, whine, complain all you want - they will be around and adored long after you and I are gone.
luis6079 9 months ago
@luis6079 Hitler was adored was by millions, was he good? Admiration does not mean greatness.
AlmightyHiggey 9 months ago
@xanderdude123
You clearly don't understand good film.
Compare camera work in the two trilogies. George Lucas should never direct again, when someone else had their say, the movies were brilliant. When Lucas controlled everything, the camera work was amature shot/reverse shot and the blocking was boring und unrealist.c
TheDeistAngle 9 months ago
@TheDeistAngle Hmm. I have been a fan of Star Wars since I was 10 in 1977. Until the prequals came out - never, not once! Was the OT Star Wars known for either it's camera work (which is quite static during the non-spex scenes) or it's 'story arc and acting' (if anything, the story was always compared to other movies in which it was lifted) - all press and word of mouth was effects, effects, effects. Now, it is all reveresed and two-faced. This prequal hating nonsense is really getting old.
luis6079 9 months ago
@luis6079
It broke new ground in special effects scenes, but there was still something of substance there.
I'll agree that the special effects were what made it stick in the minds of people, but that was because the other necissary elements of a movie were there.
if you block everything shot-reverse shot, make the dialouge boring and dry, and have absoluktley no substance or conflict in your characters other than the type a 5 year old would envision, well the special effects really don't matter
TheDeistAngle 9 months ago
@xanderdude123 Yes they were planned, but they weren't planned to be filled with shitty acting, terrible dialogue, plot holes, aimed at kids and too much CGI because no one would question Lucas when he was creating the prequels. I mean really would you?
xMrBubblezz 9 months ago
@xanderdude123 no, the prequels fucking sucked, especially attack of the clones.
NottinghamForest22 8 months ago
@NottinghamForest22 The acting and writing weren't very good, and betray the spirit of the original trilogy, but the prequels are still enjoyable if you think of them as Michael Bay mindless action flick type movies. Attack of the Clones definitely had the worst acting, but at least there was a purpose to the overall plot (starting the Clone Wars to give Palpatine an army), unlike Phantom Menace which only existed to introduce a bunch of characters that didn't get used in the following films.
SorWiz9 7 months ago
@xanderdude123 No.
sichamento 8 months ago
@xanderdude123 no the prequels were not planned during episodes 4-6, George Lucas wanted more money so he mindlessly made the prequels which make a lick of sense and don't match up with the original trilogy, only the die hard clueless Star Wars fanboys would say episodes 1-3 where good. They were utter trash and an insult to the classic trilogy.
chuggyman1 6 months ago
@xanderdude123 Thanks for not joining the masses. You're too cool for prequel hate school.
CHRISGT34 5 months ago
@xanderdude123 The original Star Wars movies were titles 'Episode V' et al to invoke memories of movie serials. It wasn't at the time a serious attempt to create a 6 part saga. Lucas just followed that structure to allude to the possibility of a larger universe which ultimately did not need to be elaborated upon. 'The Phantom Menace' wasn't premeditated, at least not when the first two films were created
And the prequel films are quite bad.
hayzay89 4 months ago
@xanderdude123 ...
Planned? That's UTTERLY false from the get-go. The original movie, "Star Wars," was meant to be a standalone movie. Hence the very tightly fit ending to the movie, but then Fox wanted him to make it a trilogy, so he hired people more talented and dedicated than him to direct the movies.
Like "Empire Strikes Back."
Then he directs all the prequels and...eh.
They're not good.
Really, judging them as MOVIES, they aren't good.
FlammaMan 4 months ago 3