Are Unitarians Christians?

[MacCuinneagain]

I like how Muslims on this page are more accepting then the Christians.

But then again not everyone who says their Muslim are actually doing the work of the divine. Nice to here the word of a true Muslim rather than a Islamic fundi.

[Keruaran]

@MacCuinneagain

Oh yes, when Christians actually assert Christian doctrine and genuine belief in what the Bible actually teaches (heaven forbid we should actually believe and have genuine faith), we're not "accepting".

But so far, how "accepting" nor even mildly respectful have you shown yourself to be of historic, Biblical Christianity?

Not very.

[roruch77]

Every bozo that rationalizes salvation without Jesus,is simply demonic,this concept makes them bitter because they do not know Jesus or the 1 who sent him,who is the true God.period.

[ExtremeEnergyForce]

Although im a muslim, Unitarian Christians are much more closer to God compared to Trinitarian Christians.

[trenchraiding]

Early Christians appeared to differ on the issue of divinity for Christ; ranging from Christ being taken as Almighty God to Christ being merely human and a conveyor of God's message.

One must examine how ancient Roman Pagan ideas affected Christian thought, since turning men into gods was the way of the ancient Romans and Greeks.

Perhaps, many Christians of Rome accepted Christ as lord, but only within the confines of pre-existing Pagan religious ideas.

[Keruaran]

Fundamental affirmations of the Christian faith rejected in this video:

1. The Trinity

2. The Deity of Christ

3. The physical Resurrection of Christ

4. The inspiration and authority of scripture

5. The sacrifice of Christ for our sins

[MacCuinneagain]

@Keruaran Not rejected, but allowing each person to decide their themselves! Imagine, Freedom!

Do not troll!!!

[Keruaran]

@MacCuinneagain

You DON'T have a reasonable basis nor some inalienable right to claim you're a Christian if you reject the fundamentals of the Christian faith. Freedom? Everyone it seems is free to hijack the Christian faith with whatever unscriptural doctrines and assertions they like and call themselves "Christian". But Christians are apparently NOT FREE to object, to delineate and assert fundamental Christian doctrine lest YOU accuse us of "trolling"! Absolutely outrageous!

[Keruaran]

The short answer is no.

[foxpoet]

@Keruaran, that is a vast oversimplification. The short answer is "not all of them."

[MacCuinneagain]

@Keruaran No! The short answer is it depends. some are and some aren't. Why does every religion have to be pigeonholed according to your understanding?

[Keruaran]

@MacCuinneagain

But we're not talking about "every religion". No, just trying to appropriate and subvert the meaning of "Christian". You have here a group that clearly rejects the most fundamental affirmations of the Christian faith yet expects to be called "Christian". And you who thinks it not offensive that the body of Christ should overturn two thousand years of faithfully transmitted scriptures and Christian doctrine and history and submit to your "understanding".

[Fujackattack]

Peace and you I just LOVE your view on God and His prophet Jesus(peace and blessing be upon him)  from a muslim

[scales57]

Being one that thinks for himself, and having found God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost, as One, in my heart through the teachings of the Eastern Orthodox Church, I guess that makes me a heretic, too....well, what do you know...peace

[CarmineFragione]

Deuteronomy 32:6 Moses asks the Jews, " IS NOT GOD YOUR FATHER ?" and so Moses had just finished chiding the Jews for being not true Sons to God. So the Jews, who claim they never see God or hear from God and yet claim to have their own "collective divinity" by the Oral Tradition, are in no position to question Jesus or the Church as to the Trinity. One sole Actor, who has also written His Story, can put on a mask, change his voice and play out all the characters= Ancient Story Teller

[CarmineFragione]

In the Beginning, all things were as One, without distinction and without mass or making a Matter of itself, That is the Big Bang, Everything was in the exact same place. Today , many try to tell us Catholics that modern Science shows us that anything that has a Matter of it, such as Jesus on the one hand and God on the other, cannot be coinciding equally as One, because of the conditions the world now has. They are all liars and going straight to hell. God came in the flesh as Jesus.

[CarmineFragione]

Jesus is God, because all things originate and remain always in the One Being of God. If we reverse time, all matter having any mass goes back into the same one exact place and all things lose distinctions and everything is literally One. Thus God did not need to leave the world to be inside Jesus' body , for the body of Jesus is inside the Domain, but the distinction is, Jesus has no sin and has all power and authority of the Whole Being of God, which is in the Beginning, One Reality.

[jereuter01]

As for the "Google UU Mental Health" reference, if you go to that site please click on the free copy of 2 week workshop curriculum & examine for yourself the laudable goals of UUism towards those whose mental health suffers. You will learn much about the principles adhered to by UU congregants.

[jereuter01]

skirts365 is a youtube troll. I blocked him because of it. My comments speak for me. I'm suspicious of & agree that proponents of psychology/psychiatry abuse their power, but so do folks in every walk of life - preachers, politicians, doctors, lawyers, accountants, law enforcement - the list goes on. What I vehemently disagree with skirts365 is his characterization that UUs prostelize or support a "mental health" conspiracy. Read UU principles, then take 'em or leave 'em.

[skirts365]

Mostly what Unitarians are is "mental health" zealots, this denomination, along with the CORRUPT Unity Churches, seems to have highest percent of exploitative quacks called psychiatrists, psychologists, social workers, psychotherapists, psychoanalysts, mental health pros, mental health workers ad nauseam. Quacks, fraudsters who slap labels on people---if a can contains corn, they can still SLAP a label on that can that says "beans" and that serves as a (false) definition of "reality." FRAUD!!!

[jereuter01]

@skirts365 "Your" personal experience is superfical to the extreme. I am a UU and I've had two careers one in IT as Network Engineer and the other as an attorney with a solo practice. The Atlanta UU Congregation, the largest in the SE has congregants from all walks of life. A small UU congregation in North Georgia town of Dahlonega has no congregants with a background or work experience in psychology or psychiatry. Sound to me like you want to mislabel UUs with your own fraudulent label.

[skirts365]

@jereuter01 My experience isn't superficial because of your say-so. Official UU videos here censor out my comments because they can't stand criticism. In my area, no UU church will tolerate any criticism of mental health zealots. My personal experience STANDS. So a small UU church has no psychs, BUT the larger one does (by implication) YOU just established my POINT.

[jereuter01]

@skirts365 Yes your experience is superficial based on your false comments about UUism.. You are anti-psychology zealot who should concentrate your energies attacking the "Church" of Scientology. UUs have no component that harbors "mental health" zealotry.  Anyone can access UU national homepage and read therein a statement of our core principles. Anyone can find there a list of our activities. Psychological advocacy is not one of them.

[skirts365]

@jereuter01 No OFFICIAL component that harbors them at natl HQ yet many sites do so some formally. I'm not a Scientologist. Any reasonable person should be anti-psych, this faction set itself up with self imputed power to "diagnose" anyone, it doesn't police its ranks, abuse is rampant, they can & do slander anyone they dislike as "ill." That's a dangerous unrestrained power. It needs to be squelched. Many are atheist, they go to UU as UU allows atheism in its ranks. Psych=INQUISITION.

[jereuter01]

@skirts365 OK. Now we are getting closer to the real issue. You never asked me if I agreed with your opinion of the field of psychiatry & psychology. In fact, I do, although I consider some of it to be reasonably accurate but way beyond it's vague and subjective proofs and allowed to exercise a power way out of proportion to it's fundamental validity, and accuracy. The DSM-V manual is a kind of pseudo-science. I am 60, so I vividly recall the evil practices of historical psychology.

[jereuter01]

@skirts365 I supported Sam Irvin's Senate inquiry on lobotomy practices in 70s, & Chomsky's rebuttal of Skinner's Beyond Freedom & Dignity, cheered Kesey's One Flew Over the Coocoo's Nest expose. Over the past decade as attorney for delinquent, deprived, abused children I've had psychologicals thrown out by the judge as unreliable, unscientific, biased. The grave error you make is to maliciously defame UUism with the utterly false accusation that it is a psychological cult when it is NOT!

[skirts365]

@jereuter01 I got blocked from answering here, posted answer in your profile, you deleted it. Congratulations on squelching my rebuttal which would have left you in an embarrassed condition. Viewers, Google Unitarian Mental Health you'll see how much fanaticism they bring to their witch hunting.

[rbmath]

Unitarian theology is NOT Christian, its cultic...As Jesus...John 8:24 I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I am he you will die in your sins."

[RealJesusforAtheists]

Unitarians think they don't understand the trinity but do, while most Christians think they do understand when they don't. God to Hebrew people was love, that was it. Jesus was believed to be love in the human form, a living breathing example. The Holy Spirit is the spirit of love found in us all. All three are love.

[live215]

For trinitarian christians its just a big business they really don't want to convert people to their truth for the sincere purpose of doing Gods work, its just to look good, and this is it, go to church on sunday, sin and do whatever you want all week

[live215]

Unfortunatley trinitarian christians, HAVE ABSOLUTLEY NO TOLERANCE AS JESUS (PBUH) so quick to damn the catholic, jews, and muslims to hell fire. Insead of focusing on jesus (pbuh) death focus on his life and his morality, and his good works, since good works and gods grace, will get you to heaven, I really have so many catholic friends, and even protestant friends in spain, and they totally respect me as a muslim, and don't try to force conversion to trinity down my throat like many do

[hulugal]

God doesn’t tolerate pluralism in religious belief. UUs are all about religious freedom, pluralism, and tolerance… Sorry but I will stick with Jesus’ teaching and the Bible. There is only One Truth.

[CullyJ]

I really appreciate and agree with his comment, "The great tragedy of Christianity is that it's become a religion about Jesus, rather than a religion that follows the teachings of Jesus."

[endthedrugwar]

Unitarian Universalists are a planet destroying violent hate group that are nothing but mass murdering hypocrites. Unitarian Universalists are Nazi scum, just like the witch burning Christians, Muslims just like the Nazi Jews who invented Islam and witch burning christianity.

[alifeofreason]

What a joke. The Unitarian church is a prime exemplar of what Nietzsche meant by the death of God.

[elazar79]

I'm Unitarian.

[abbyguy]

Nonsense.

[MrRouXRenard]

The fourth Unitarian principle talks about seeking truth. We can start with what is scientifically proven through testing, repetition, peer review, etc, i.e. the scientific method. Then reading the Bible in the order it was actually 'written', i.e. Paul's epistles, James (brother of Jesus), then Mark, Matthew, Luke... we find the early writings do NOT contain anything supernatural, no virgin birth, no miracles, no heaven and hell, no salvation, no damnation... only 'resurrection' is mentioned.

[faisalkfpm]

Jesus isn't a god, he's his prophet, he didn't die at all.

[shoedoctor99]

In some very important ways, Trinitarian theology is very similar to what the Quran and Islamic theology have been saying all along - Jesus was a great man and a Mighty Messenger, but insisting on the Unity of God Almighty, without any partners.

This is the very basis of Islam.

p.s. that was a Great answer.

[shieldsff]

that maybe a partial basis of (some forms of) Islam. Unfortunately, contrary to your assertions, it has nothing to do with or similarity whatsoever to the Christian theology of the blessed Trinity or the eternal Godhead. Sorry, but while we may clearly disagree, confusion and misrepresentation is never helpful.

[shoedoctor99]

@shieldsff We're talking about Unitarianism, not the 'blessed Trinity' that you speak of. The very advent of Islam in the 6th Century (or as some Muslims see it - the return TO Islam (surrender to One God), as followed by Adam, Abraham and Jesus) was on the basis of the Unity of God. It is called "Tawhid" in Islam. This is universally adhered to by all believers as the most basic tenet of that faith.

[trenchraiding]

@shoedoctor99 The foundation of Islam is based upon monotheism (Arabic: Tawheed), which has 3 categories:

1/ Monotheism of Lordship - God (Allah) is the sole Lord, Creator & Provider of all things. Almighty God, alone, has power over all things

2/ Monotheism of Names & Attributes - Allah (God) is unique, Whose attributes belong to Him, alone. The is none comparable to Almighty God

3/ Monotheism of Worship - All acts of worship are due to God, alone. Worship is the sole right of God

[1macboo]

Do unitarians believe in God? And if not why do they call themselves Unitarians? Not athiests or agnostics? And if a Unitarian does believe in God do other Unitarians kind of snicker at that? I come from many generations of New England Unitarians but we NEVER went to church myself I'm a Christian Universalist....kinda broke out. peace.

[cosmicviewer477]

@1macboo I am Unitarian Universalist, and I think it all depends on the Congregation. Some congregations are very deity-centered, while others are more intellectually-minded. Thankfully, my congregation, here in South Miami, is a little bit of both.

Most UU's see the worship experience as the moment, so instead of turning our worship to a diety, we focus on the valuable moments we spend together as a congregation. This way, all people can worship together, not just only deists.

[Benghazison]

ذلك أن التجربة الشخصية وضمير الفرد هى التى تجعل منك مسيحي تقليدي او أن تتبع اي طائفة أخرى تختارها بنفسك وذلك شيء عظيم

That's an Arabic translation of this video.

تجرمة عربية لكلام المتحدث في الفيديو

[Benghazison]

على العكس من التوحيدية التى تؤمن بتعاليم المسيح (عليه السلام,و الكثير من المسيحيين المحافظين,لا يريدون الاعتراف بذلك ويتطاولون علينا ويرفضونا ويدعونا بالزنادقه ونحن فخرون بأن نكون (زنادقة) لان الزنادقة في نهاية المطاف يفكرون و يختارون بأنفسهم, و نحن نختار ما نراه صحيح, ولا نقبل بأن يفكر الاخرين نيابة عنا.وهذا كان دائماً شيء مهم جداً بالنسبة لنا حينما يتعلق الامر بالعقيدة و الضمير, يجب ان يكون ذلك شيء خاص و شخصي بالفرد نفسه عبرالتفكير و السبب و التجربة

[Benghazison]

وم ثم لا يعتبر (البايبل ) كتاب من عندالله وماهو الا تدوين للتاريخ, و يرحب كل الموحيدين بكل الانتقادات المتعلقة بالبايبول لان ذلك النقد والتساؤلات تفتح الأفاق لفهم كل الاسفار المختلفة الموجودة في البايبول, بصرف النظر اذا كان االموحدين يعتبرون انفسهم مسيحيين ام لا, فهم يمجدون و يحترمون شخص المسيح( عليه السلام)وتعاليمه, و هم لا يؤمنون بأنه ابن الله وأنه قد جاء من اجل ان يموت ليكفر عن خطايا البشر, ومأسات المسيحية تكمن في انها اصبحت دين يتعلق بشخص المسيح( عليه السلام )نفسه و ليس دين تتبع تعاليمه

[Benghazison]

ولكن تلك الهوية هي اقرب الى ان تكون تراث و ثقافة اخلاقية اكثر من انها عقيدة دينية,على سبيل المثال هناك القليل من االموحدين المسيحيين يؤمنون بأن المسيح عليه السلام (قد مات و عاد الحياة بعد ثلاثة ايام),و يعتقدون بأن تلك القصة عبارة عن خرافة, ويعتبرونها فكرة فلسفية عميقة اكثر من انها واقعة حقيقة بصرف النظر عن حدوثها من عدمه ويعتبر الموحيدين بأن الكتاب المقدس (البايبول) هو كتاب مثل اي مخطوطة دينية عظيمة وهى مجرد مصدر تاريخي تم تجميع الاحداث التاريخية الخاصة بالطائفة اليهودية و المسيحية فيه

[Benghazison]

يتسأل الناس إن كان الموحدون هم مسيحيين أم لا؟؟...فى الواقع نحن نؤكد بأننا جزء من داخل الإتجاه العام للمسيحية ،وأخذنا الإسم (الموحدون ) من الإيمان بمفهوم وحدانية الله ،وليس من مفهوم (الثالوث) أو تثليث (الله) ،والإدعاء بأن الله ثالث ثلاثة ،ليس له أى وجود فى( البايبل ) و ليس له اثبات او مبرر,ولكن هناك الكثير من الإدلة تؤكد بأن الله واحد لاشريك له, و ان المسيح عليه السلام كان رجل عظيم و رسول و معلم,واليوم هناك الكثير من الموحدين يعرّفون انفسهم بأنهم جزء من التيار (المسيحي الليبرالي الحديث)

[HARLANGENEPARROTT]

DID JESUS MEAN IT WHEN HE SAID HE CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN?

John 6:38 (KJV) 38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

John 6:38 (Amplified Bible)38For I have come down from heaven not to do My own will and purpose but to do the will and purpose of Him Who sent Me.

[HARLANGENEPARROTT]

WHEN WAS JESUS CHRIST EVER RICH?

HIS FAMILY WAS POOR, AND HE BORROWED A GRAVE, SO WHEN WAS HE RICH?

2 Corinthians 8:9 (KJV) 9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.

[HARLANGENEPARROTT]

WHERE WAS JESUS BEFORE HE CAME DOWN TO THIS PLANET?

John 6:62 (KJV) 62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?

John 6:62 (ASV) 62 What then if ye should behold the Son of man ascending where he was before?

[dtdowntown67]

Unitarian Univerasalistm is the unfortunate product of a liberal world. And I know I am going to get a lot of hate for saying that, but it's absolutely true. I have family who are unitarian, so don't say I HATE them, I'm just making the simple observation that it CANNOT EXIST. How can there be more than one truth if each religion IS ABSOLUTE AND CONTRADICTS THE OTHERS. My goodness I just can't understand how people can buy into this nonsense.

[hazeleyedgrl1228]

@dtdowntown67

It's not nonsense, and if anything, it's what actual Christianity should be like. But people like you live under a rock and refuse to accept anything other than your brainwashed "beliefs" when they're anything but true. Unitarianism DOES exist and it CAN.

[dtdowntown67]

@hazeleyedgrl1228 What an absolute contradiction. You profess to be open-minded and yet you make assumptions about me. I don't "live under a rock" at all. I go to a secular college that gives me many options for belief, and yet I choose Christianity. It's also quite arrogant to say what Christianity should be like. How about we just make you the head of all religions, and you can tell us what they should or shouldn't do. Universalism contradicts Christianity, I don't care what you want it to be.

[hazeleyedgrl1228]

@dtdowntown67

Everybody makes an assumption about everyone else, open-minded or not. And for you to tell me that it's arrogant to say what Christianity should be like is ridiculous. The fundies do it all the time so why aren't you telling them that, too, (unless you're one of them)?  It does not contradict Christianity at all but think what you want. I'm not trying to control your beliefs like you do. Think I'm wrong? Look at your first comment about this video.

[dtdowntown67]

@hazeleyedgrl1228 Well I don't tell the "fundies" the same thing because they don't say what Christianity should be, they say what it really is. You can twist it into anything you want, but the original message of Christianity is quite clear, and it is not the message that the unitarians are teaching.

[hazeleyedgrl1228]

@dtdowntown67

I'm not twisting it into anything I want, that's you. The only difference is that we believe God as one being. Just because you don't agree with Unitarianism doesn't mean you should put your beliefs superior to us or any other religion. We think our way and you think your way, doesn't mean any one of us are right. So just move on.

[dtdowntown67]

@hazeleyedgrl1228 What are you talking about, I'm reading the Bible as historical truth, and you are reading it as up for interpretation. That's not what it was written for, so how is it that I am the one twisting Christianity. YOU'RE the one trying to make it fit into your own worldview about morality because you don't have the guts to stand up to exculsivity and truth.

[hazeleyedgrl1228]

@dtdowntown67

Yes you are and you read it for interpretation as well. And I don't have the guts? Looks who's talking with his massive ego.

[dtdowntown67]

@hazeleyedgrl1228 I don't read it for interpretation, I read it as historical truth. I think this stuff actually happened. Do you? It doesn't sound like it. And what I said, I meant. You don't have the guts to face up to the exculsivity of Christianity. You can blame it on my ego if you want, but it's true. I may not like the whole "I am the only way" thing, but just because I don't like it doesn't mean it isn't true.

[hazeleyedgrl1228]

@dtdowntown67

You're saying I don't have the guts because you view my beliefs as weak and superior to you. I will repeat myself again when I say that I was not being arrogant. The fact that you continue this little argument is almost immature where you're saying that you know the exclusivity of the truth of Christianity. Well good for you. Either way I don't care, but that doesn't mean I don't have the guts.

[dtdowntown67]

@hazeleyedgrl1228 What do you mean I know? I never said I know, I said that is what it says in the Bible. John 14:6 "I am the way the truth and the life no one comes to the Father but through me." Those aren't my words, I'm not being arrogant at all, that's what Jesus said. And once again you assume too much, I don't view my beliefs as superior, I view them as truth. I don't know what you mean continue an argument, I thought we were having debate, that you are contributing to if I might add.

[dtdowntown67]

@hazeleyedgrl1228 What do you mean it's ridiculous! You think I like the prospect of most of the world burning in eternal damnation? But like I said, it doesn't matter what I don't like or not. How do you view truth hazeeyedgrll? What do you accept from Jesus and what do you reject? Because your the one that sounds ridiculous. Also referring to me as a "fundie" is not insulting me at all, is it meant to?

[bolillo239]

@dtdowntown67 then its all nonsense, whatever you think is nonsense!

[dtdowntown67]

@bolillo239 Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't true.

[Benghazison]

Unitarians Christians are mentioned in our Holy Quran. as well as the rest of the sects.

[bolillo239]

@Benghazison cool!

[Benghazison]

@bolillo239 cool running !

[Logia1978]

I agree totally with you mister.

But what do you think about muslims who have same beliefs as you regarding the bible or Jesus ?

[Karzaveer]

This is the greatest religion known to man (my opinion) dont yell at me

[dtdowntown67]

@padebembey The Quran also urges Muslims to fight non-Muslims, and encourages violence multiple times. I would much rather see God as a personal being, as he said he was in the Scriptures, meaning Jesus Christ.

[mgmastrakanakis]

Well, after all, Jesus himself is not christian! Is he?

[jeffrey0662]

Unitarians are not Christians. Jesus makes it plain that those who refuse to believe in Jesus' absolute and full deity are damned in John 8:24.

[CloudsofBliss]

@jeffrey0662

they are christians.

[jeffrey0662]

@CloudsofBliss

Say what you want but what you say lacks credibility. Unitarians are not Christians according to what Christ says in Jn 8:24 and He ought to know better than you.

[CloudsofBliss]

@jeffrey0662

No. You lack history and you are ignorance. First off, they are Unitarian Christians but differrent. Use wiki.

[jeffrey0662]

@CloudsofBliss

Wiki admits that its content can't be trusted as true. Jesus not only said what is true but He is Himself the truth. Unitarians are damned according to John 8:24.

[CloudsofBliss]

@jeffrey0662

So does the bible if you are not educate enough. You need to study the bible without listen to the pastors or go to a liberal college.

[jeffrey0662]

@CloudsofBliss You're an idiot. Good bye.

[CloudsofBliss]

@jeffrey0662

No sir, you are. Have a bless day.

[CloudsofBliss]

@jeffrey0662

in other words.....they are deist.

[bleedblue83]

@jeffrey0662 So because it's a bible verse it makes it fact? You do know the Bible isn't meant to be taken literally, right? Oh, you must be one of those fundie nutty Christians.

[jeffrey0662]

@bleedblue83 You are illiterate. The genre of the Bible is literal.

[bleedblue83]

@jeffrey0662 That doesn't prove anything. You called me illiterate for not taking the Bible literally, yet you give no proof or evidence to back up that the Bible should be taken literally. Give me evidence on why you feel this way - and give me something more than the usual Christian answers such as "I feel it in my heart" or "I have faith" or "When you know Jesus, you just know..." These are not going to work. Give me actual scientific evidence that proves the Bible is indeed fact.

[loveroflife365]

@jeffrey0662 John 8:24 does not teach that Jesus is God. John is plain in I John 4:15 that we must confess that Jesus Christ is the Son of God (not God). He then goes on to say in II John 7 that Jesus Christ (SON of God) is who came in the flesh (not God!). Those who do not attest to this fact are antichrist, which is what trinitarianism and other forms of polytheism really are.

[jeffrey0662]

@loveroflife365 1 Jn 4:15 says Jesus is "THE" Son of God not a son of God. That means John was calling Jesus the only Son of God not one of many sons of God. John goes on to call Jesus "the True God" in 1 Jn 5:20. So, the Gospel of John and 1 Jn says Jesus is God.

Re: II Jn 7 Just because Jesus came in the flesh doesn't mean He is not God. see 1 Tim. 3:16 (KJV) "...God was manifest in the flesh, ..."

[loveroflife365]

@jeffrey0662 Jesus is the only begotten Son of God by way of his being the first and only (so far) to be raised to life and immortality. Jesus is the "last Adam", who like the "first Adam" has no human parentage, but is directly from God. Note Luke 3:38; Adam is called "the Son of God". The son of someone cannot also be that someone. The true God in I John 5:20 is not the Son, but the Father (when carefully read). I Tim. 3:16 says "godliness" (not God) was manifest in the flesh.

[jeffrey0662]

@loveroflife365 The rules of grammar say a pronoun is defined by its antecedent. In 1 Jn 5:20 the antecedent is "Jesus Christ". That means Jesus Christ "is the True God". Also, the context of the New Testament always has eternal life in the Son never the Father. 1 Tim 3:16 says "God" not godliness. I quoted it for you.

Context of Luke 3:38 uses "son" to also mean son-in-law not just "son" proper. Lk 3:23 Jesus and v27 Shealtiel are not sons proper. That means Adam is not the Son of God proper.

[loveroflife365]

@jeffrey0662 "And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know Him that is true, and we are in Him that is true, EVEN in His Son, Jesus Christ (the subject is God, the "Him" John is referring to here). This is the true God and eternal life." For further confirmation, see I Tim. 6:15-16. Only ONE is inherently immortal ... God. Jesus Christ DIED and he was GIVEN immortaltiy by God, Who "is" life itself.

[loveroflife365]

Skeptik,

How about the question ... How did LIFE arise from NON-LIFE?

Think about it some more.

[loveroflife365]

skeptik,

"This generation" = from Adam to the return of Jesus Christ.

What you really need to spend more time being skeptical about is what other explanation is there for how LIFE came about?

Spend time wondering: How did LIFE arise from NON-LIFE? Even Richard Dawlkins knows that some intelligence is at the root of us all being here ... only just not God ... must have been aliens. But, then where did THEY come from?

Think about it.

Romans 1

[1Skeptik1]

L365 - Adam? As presented in the book of Genasis with the talking snake? Guess if you can't trust a talking snake who can you trust? Oh my! Regards

[loveroflife365]

1 Skeptik,

The Bible is the written record that the Creator has given us to know the FACTS of redemption through His Son Jesus Christ. I John 5:10-14

As for colorful stories? You may want to google earth former Sodom and Gomorrah to see the remains, which are ashes. Archeologists have found golf ball sized brimstones and have described that the destruction was due to high intensity heat.

As for truth? You need but look at fulfilled prophecy of the Bible having 100% accuracy.

[1Skeptik1]

L365 - Are you referring to the bible with the mythical flood, people living many hundreds of years, a tower of Bable to close to heaven, unicorns and Saint Zombies - Mat: 26 52/53? Yes friend - colorful stories, in fact magical stories.

Not everyone is comfortable believing in magic. Sodom/Gomorrah - As in vulcanism and plate tectonics akin to the havoc when Yellow Stone last blew?

Prophecy? Mat: 24:33/34 This generation shall not pass...err ummm .... Regards

[bleedblue83]

@loveroflife365 The Sodom And Gommorrah remains do not prove the Bible is true. That's silly, grow up. If anything, it just proves one part of it is likely to be true. If I write a poem saying I will burn Wal-mart to the ground and Unicorns are purple, then Wal-mart does burn to the ground, it doesn't prove my poem to be fact, because unicorns aren't purple. 

[loveroflife365]

Unitarianism denies the pre-existence of Jesus Christ, when the Bible makes clear that he was with the Father prior to coming into the world as flesh and blood. Jesus had "former glory" with the Father, but not as God. What was he then? Malachi 3:1 makes clear that the one we know as Jesus was the messenger of the Sinai covenant. So, there is no question that Jesus "was" prior to his earthly birth. The angelics hosts were present at creation, Job 38:7: so Jesus was before Abraham, Jn. 8:58

[1Skeptik1]

@loveroflife365 - Friend, yes the bible is full of colorful stories, however I would urge you to remember these same tales were told around the camp fires at night by Bronze age Hebrews much like the tales of Asgard were told around the camp fires by the ancient Norse. These tales served to instruct, entertain and form a tribal identity. As for truth? Sometimes, yes, sometimes embellished, sometimes

bizarre and completely false. These tribes clearly believed in magic. Regards

[loveroflife365]

1 Skeptik,

The Bible is the written record that the Creator has given us to know the FACTS of redemption through His Son Jesus Christ. I John 5:10-14

As for colorful stories? You may want to google earth former Sodom and Gomorrah to see the remains, which are ashes. Archeologists have found golf ball sized brimstones and have described that the destruction was due to high intensity heat.

As for truth? You need but look at fulfilled prophecy of the Bible having 100% accuracy.

[impcirca1988]

@loveroflife365 The bible IS a written record, but from a council of holy roman empire scholars, who chose from various sources all dated far after the time given for christ's death.

If it is factual why are there contradictions? & Why were the gnostic gospel omitted? & why did paul decide on the trinity, when Jesus himself is written as preaching only the worship of God, not some magic carpenter?

I am not saying you cannot believe what you wish, only that you cannot present it as factual.

[bleedblue83]

JESUS WAS NOT THE SON OF GOD. HE WAS A GREAT MAN AND TEACHER. HE WAS NOT A DIETY. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE JESUS WANTED US TO WORSHIP HIM. THE BIBLE IS NOT FACT, IT IS STORIES, I'VE LEARNED THIS, AND SO SHOULD YOU. I WENT TO A CATHOLIC AND BAPTIST SCHOOL FOR 7 YEARS OF MY LIFE. I KNOW THE JESUS STORY. IT IS NOT FACT. SEEK HELP.

[MrGriegos]

I dont believe Unitarians have a right to call themselves Christian.

That's like calling myself a Buddhist while proclaiming Buddha as un-enlightened or as a Muslim who proclaims the eating of pork.

Once I step outside the parameters of the faith, I am no longer within it. Yet, Unitarians believe they can retain membership to Christianity while dismissing very vital beliefs.

[MrGriegos]

Another example is...

what if people began calling themselves Unitarian but began professing the Oneness of God by emphasizing the Triune quality of God? That would go against Unitarianism, no?

You have chosen the label of "Unitarianism" for a reason.

The tolerance I can acknowledge is, to each their own, but we cannot define Christianity subjectively as Unitarians believe.

Unitarianism is closer to Gnosticism than it is to mainstream Christianity.

[MassLiberal1]

I've heard of some Unitarians who believe in the Trinity. Unitarianism doesn't mean the oneness of God to most Unitarians these days. Unitarians would instead speak of the unity of life. No creeds or dogmas in Unitarianism so you can be a Trinitarian.

[MrGriegos]

True, but the few Trinitarians are merely tolerated. The very word "Unitarian" does not promote pluralism however.

[MassLiberal1]

That's unfortunatly true. Here in America there are some Unitarian churches that are Trinitarian (I know of one in Providence, Rhose Island) but they are very few of these. Those Unitarians that believe in the Trinity would prefer to be called Universalists in the U.S. and Free Christians in the UK.

[MassLiberal1]

Rhose Island, lol. I meant Rhode Island.

[MrGriegos]

Hello MassLiberal,

Christians have enough troubles relating to one another based on denominationalism. However, there should be some universal truths that Christians must adhere to, and not for the sake of ecuminical unity, but for the sake of preserving Christianity as it was, and always will be. The fundamental truths about Christianity are in Jesus Christ, and the Christological standard that are time tested and true are key to uniting us all in Christ.

God bless.

[InIJah]

Jesus was a great man, like Moses, sent by God. He brings us closer to God even if we do not believe Christ to BE God, with his compelling message of Gods love and forgiveness. A Christian, by definition, is "one who follows Christ" . Christ is still in the center, just not turned into some pagan knockoff.

[MrGriegos]

There were many people who claimed to follow Christ and by definition would think (although wrongly) that they were Christians.

There were the Ebionites, Marcion, Arius, Nestorius, and a vast assortment of Gnostics.

Merry Christmas despite our difference of opinion.

[thetruthwasinthere]

Look at the early Christianity. There was a time before the belief of the trinity

[MrGriegos]

@thetruthwasinthere,

Early Christianity? Really? I would sure like to examine what you are refering to?

Even the heretics/gnostics of the early Church followed various models of divinity. Marcion (for example) followed 2 persons of the God head (some say three), and others like the Collyridians worshipped Mary as a goddess.

Aside from these two brief examples, can you please identify the "early Church" being unitarian? Ebionites? Or how about the Audians? Maybe the Marionites?

[msfender4jc]

what?...how am i taking anything out of context the bible is the bible and it is what it is...my friends were addicted to drugs and other substances in life and you know what was the only thing that set them free? it was jesus christ and now there living drug free and for God so dont even TELL me that im wrong cuz ik the truth and ive felt the holy spirit...if Jesus is a bunch of crap then i guess he died in vain...jesus loves you man and if you truly trust in him he will reveal himself to you.

[msfender4jc]

jesus said:"I am the way the truth and the light nobody gets to the father but through me."

its kinda sad how many are so decieved....prophecies are being revealed more than ever in this day in age that the bible predicts!!

jesus is coming!!!

accept him before its too late!

ask yourself a question...

if i died tomorrow where will i go?

theres no turning back once you die

God loves you and wants you to give your life to him!!!

[thallassocracy]

I am always impressed when a Bible Christian claims the the Word is the Only Way - and then misquotes it!

:-)

I am also amused by Bible Christians who have never learned Koine Greek. If I thought a book mattered that much, I'd learn to read it.

[Treemeadow]

I used to highly terrified of admitting I was a Unitarian, until I realised that it didn't matter whether Jesus was divine or not.

I was told "You won't recieve salvation!"

But I believe that God wouldn't condemn us based on our knowledge of the divine. We are so small in naive about this.

These days, I'm more of an agnostic Unitarian with Christian leanings.

I'm also proud to be a Unitarian!

[sumayahrose]

I love Unitarianism!

[TheManGadoosh]

2 Cor 13:13, "the Grace of Our Lord Jesus Christ and the charity of God and the communication of the holy spirit be with you all" the title 'Lord' given by paul represents the hebrew 'Adonai' just as God 'theos' represents 'Elohim' as far as the Holy spirit is concerned you just have to look at scripture to see that he had separate identity 1Cor 3:16 and 6:19..amongst many, it seems there is no scriptural evidence for the unitarian argument. It is based on your own logic and this is the error.

[lampwithsalad]

However that is not to say that the Bible (old and new testaments) do not have value. For example the parable of the good Samaritan and the 10 commandments offer excellent examples as to how we could life our lives.

[lampwithsalad]

I would agree in that I see myself as a Unitarian as I believe in the existence of God but not a Christian. To me, the Bible, like all historical documents has limitations. It was wrote by humans and is therefore subject to human error and bias. I also have difficulty with the bible(new testament) in that the authors are writing their interpretations of the teachings of Jesus. We don't actually know his true feeling as he himself did not write anything down. (that we know of).

[NarakusDemon89]

Hmm... I agree, sometimes Christians may obsess about Jesus and pleasing him, sometimes contradicting the teachings, the original message.