Exactly. This video is an IN-YOUR-FACE to all those idiots I grew sick of telling them (in private--no face loss) to download the M113 Gavin airdrop PDF manual--but wouldn't because they'd have to admit they were wrong.
Were M113 airdropped in Panama? Also is there any difference to how an M113 would perform in an airdrop when compared so a BMD1 lets say? As in the percentage of vehicles damaged etc? Has any other force airdropped M113? Usually the naysayers will try to challenge you on these points.
@gosciu555 AFAIK, no, M113 Gavins from the 5th ID were airlanded by C-141Bs to Panama. They could have been LVADed since 3/73rd Armor owned a few; I need the exact drop manifests or to see the detailed AAR. Several Airborne drop Gavins, when I was in Israel I saw the IDF drop one. Sam Katz's book has a pic I'll post on the m113combat web page soon. Gavins airdrop well; simple rigging procedure, doesn't even crunch the honeycomb much; the VDV is now using air bags for their BMDs.
As it happens, the Soviet Army thought the same thing; thier air-drop of VDV Light Armor behind the Germans, during the Battle of Moscow, turned the tide of the war.
That's also what drove them to later develop the BMD-1 Airborne Fighting Vehicle, which Dynmicpara can probably tell you more about than I could.
If I had a nickel for every time I heard someone say, "The M113 can NOT be airdropped", I'd be pretty wealthy now.
The next time I make a reply to such drivel, I'll insert a link to this video.
BlacktailDefense 2 years ago 4
Exactly. This video is an IN-YOUR-FACE to all those idiots I grew sick of telling them (in private--no face loss) to download the M113 Gavin airdrop PDF manual--but wouldn't because they'd have to admit they were wrong.
dynmicpara 2 years ago
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Were M113 airdropped in Panama? Also is there any difference to how an M113 would perform in an airdrop when compared so a BMD1 lets say? As in the percentage of vehicles damaged etc? Has any other force airdropped M113? Usually the naysayers will try to challenge you on these points.
gosciu555 1 year ago
@gosciu555 AFAIK, no, M113 Gavins from the 5th ID were airlanded by C-141Bs to Panama. They could have been LVADed since 3/73rd Armor owned a few; I need the exact drop manifests or to see the detailed AAR. Several Airborne drop Gavins, when I was in Israel I saw the IDF drop one. Sam Katz's book has a pic I'll post on the m113combat web page soon. Gavins airdrop well; simple rigging procedure, doesn't even crunch the honeycomb much; the VDV is now using air bags for their BMDs.
dynmicpara 1 year ago
I'm savin' a PDF of that manual.
DemonHide 2 years ago 4
not a surprise package you want to find behind your lines
barccy 2 years ago 5
As it happens, the Soviet Army thought the same thing; thier air-drop of VDV Light Armor behind the Germans, during the Battle of Moscow, turned the tide of the war.
That's also what drove them to later develop the BMD-1 Airborne Fighting Vehicle, which Dynmicpara can probably tell you more about than I could.
BlacktailDefense 2 years ago 3
Light tanks saved Moscow, saved the Russians from near defeat. A Light tank that can get to the fight--beats a heavier one that cannot show up.
dynmicpara 2 years ago