Destiny's polite conversation with a terran concerning balance issues

[GuitarMasterGraeme]

Destiny is so right. It's like terrans complaining when the ghosts got nerfed. Oh no, my 1 unit cannot kill broodlord/infestor/ultralisk anymore with 3 snipes. -_____-

[Randy1337]

nerd

[coolmart13]

Destiny is right, more terrans go MMM or Marine tanks and then bitch when zergs go all in with zerglings infestor

[samusaran13372]

Lol avilo I beat this guy on the ladder all he does is complain

[DeleteSystem32Faggot]

Wtf is a CCS?

[maxgd5]

Oh I actually thought this was going to be polite lol

[romandoggie]

blords get taken down easy by snipe.

[superoggeleet]

You know, little flamers, that ghosts have 100 hp, snipe the overseer(if they even gave one) and then emp the infestors.

Oh noes he fungaled you

He will still waste tons of energy just to catch you

And if its so flipping hard why dontcha just make some tanks and blueflame, roast the lings and the infested terrans, scan on the infestors and shoot them with tanks, or drop a ghost ontop and emp.

And meanwhile all this happens..

Drop in the zergs main and kill off the tech.

I cant belive this shit

[skullmanwizard]

LMAO a terran player complaining about balance

[GuitarMasterGraeme]

@skullmanwizard I know right... lol

[TheSecretCobra]

I had a Plat Terran tell me my statures cost nothing and that drones don't count.

[Rednil1860]

infestors are extremly strong but not op, imo

[PacGeniuS]

infestors counter nothing but clumped units. don't clump units and you win. it's hard yes but if you don't want to deal with the infestor directly then micro. its not energy efficient if a fungal growth hits 3 marines it takes 150 energy to kill them. that's not enerygy efficient, laejonlord did split his units on destinys stream this morning fungals (on shak platau) were hitting 3 marines at a time causing destiny to lose and infestors to become worthless.

[mystickirby]

LOL avilo is a baddie cheese his way to masters

[urpis99]

tell me you no skill ezerg faggots how ghost have energy for everything cloack, emp and snipe?

[Esoremada]

@urpis99 You can choose just like with any caster... are you retarded? Take an english class dude.

[Romansteel13]

@urpis99 "tell me you no skill ezerg faggots how ghost have energy for everything cloack, emp and snipe?" This man speaks truth. Which works best? Mass HT? Mass Ghosts? Mass Infestors? I think we all know the answer. Free cloak = Burrow Plague + Ensnare + Psionic Storm = Fungal Growth Infested Marine = Building killer Neural skill = You teched to BCs? I'll take them, thank you.

[MaJohnJohn]

@urpis99 How does infestors have enough energy for fungal, infested teran and neural parasite?

[Dlehelacopter]

@urpis99 sigh.. terran, the only race with the ability to scout whenever, wherever on a simple whim with no prep towards the scouting at all. The best part, its also the only race that doesn't really need to scout. Must be hard.

[Advenger22]

@Dlehelacopter haha, qq more?

[Dlehelacopter]

@urpis99 sigh.. terran, the only race with the ability to scout whenever, wherever on a simple whim with no prep towards the scouting at all. The best part, its also the only race that doesn't really need to scout. Must be hard.

[IduR014]

cant wait till zerg gets nerfed then destiny and a lot of other noobs are gonna go back to where they belong

[mrstone56]

>Complains that Terrans want to use the same BO every matchup

>Does exactly the same thing

[Soldier0Cross]

@mrstone56 Cause Infestors are good in all matchups.

[wc1hater]

@mrstone56 Logical fallacy detected. Terrans didn't respond to Infestor/Broodlord, Zerg has therefore no changing of BO to do.

I swear, I don't see why Terran players complained so much. The Protoss players had every right to complain, Feedback is nothing compared to EMP.

Terran players bitched at the Zerg players QQing that they need to adapt and stop crying OP, and the Zerg did adapt. Zerg can actually win now.

But as soon as THEY'RE told to adapt, what do they do? Hypocrites.

[idleeidolon]

@wc1hater and now Ghosts are nerfed so they can't kill ultras and broods, because they do the same thing marines do... they're the catch-all solution. problem with air/ground? dun worry, marines shoot both. they get better air/ground? upgrade your rines get medivacs and stim. stuck turtling with your medivac/rines? drop em. not sure if zerg is going brood or ultra for tier 3? dun worry get ghost. LOLOLOLOLLOL ...and ghost still does well against infestors. AHAHAHAHAH.

[4TehLulz]

That's weird, if Infestors are so OP, how come Destiny didn't do shit at Anaheim?

[Healingproof]

Destiny is so grossly biased. Look at the overload of hypocrisy at the end. "WHY CANT I JUST MAKE MARINE TANK AND WINZ WITHOUT SCOUTING" While in reality, he he made vikings when he saw broodlords. DESTINY on the other hand goes mass infestors in EVERY GAME in EVERY MATCHUP no matter what his opponent goes. I'm a gm level zerg myself, ive beaten destny in 40min zvz, yes infestors are op, shouldnt counter vikings. But destiny's biased mindset is just "don't nerf me bro, i wanna stay GM"

[matthewamac]

@Healingproof He does alter his build depending on what he scouts. If you think he plays blind you're delusional, watch his stream.

[Healingproof]

@matthewamac What are you talking about? Linke me one game where he doesnt go mass infestor, douchebag.

[Hagane17]

@Healingproof I like how a guy gives you proof nicely, and you call him a douchebag, sounds like someone needs a nap.

[Healingproof]

@Hagane17 But he didnt give me proof, he just put a lie out there and called me delusional.

[01Danuk]

@Healingproof LOL! INFESTORS ARE OP IN ZVZ. THAT'S A FUCKING GOOD ONE. Z ALWAYS WINS IN ZVZ. NERF Z!

[XDezibellX]

@Healingproof Dude, Destiny never goes Infetor vs mech styles, high temps, and all that other stuff. He just has a counterbuild to marine/tank/viking. You argue that a unit that shoots air can counter an air vs air unit? srsly? If the enemy doesnt change his style from the counter to marine/tank, if the enemy doesnt change his build? you think in the middle of the match he should go "man hes still going marine/tank.... better transition into mass roach/hydra.." ? are you serious?

[XDezibellX]

@Healingproof The Terran was the one who stayed with marine/tank plus 5 vikings.... it was HIM going marine/tank vs the counter to it. Why not go hellion/tank and get 1-2 ravens? ravens spot burrowed infestors, marines shoot infestors to pieces before they get in range and hellions roast lings. Destiny is forced to switch his build then. Do you complain that EVERY TERRAN GETS MARINES IN EVERY GAME IN EVERY MATCHUP? (yes, just like you did, i use capslock to make myself look cool there)?

[XDezibellX]

@Healingproof Also, dont you think, that 12range emp is a great counter to 7range fungal?. Dont you think, that 9range sniper is a great counter to 7range fungal? do you complain, that zerg needs tier 2 to get a terran tier 1 unit (marine) and call the zerg's unit OP therefor? It isnt Destiny not wanting himself getting nerfed. he just doesnt agree with the terran asking for a nerf to the COUNTER to his strategy. Destiny doesnt whines at mech styles. he changes his own style. this terran didnt.

[Healingproof]

@XDezibellX Go look at the 1.4.0 patch notes and see who's side blizzard's on :) Infestors getting hardcore nerfed in upcomming patch. And lying just makes you look dumb. EMP has 10 range, not 12. Fungal has 9 range, not 7. And EMP is a projectile with 0,5 sec land time while fungal is instant, so you can easily get fungals off even if the T EMPs. You have to either play terran or get good micro to realize infestors and ghosts counters each other. Fungal outranges snipe and emp isn't instant.

[XDezibellX]

@Healingproof omg 6 dmg less vs bio and like 17 dmg less vs armored..... HUGE NERF PMGLOLMYARGUMENTWASPROOVED... srsly? fungals point never was to deal damage.. fungal is the hold spell, that made infested terrans get time to shoot. if you shoot an emp directly as the spell is over the infestors, and not shoot is like 0.5 seconds before, so the infestors run in, then you dont optimally use the emp, negating, that you will still hit before fungal does.

[XDezibellX]

@Healingproof 10range snipe doesnt outrange 9range fungal? i thought you could only cast, when the middle of the aoe is directly over the enemy, which is why emp doesnt outrange fungal... also, i didnt know, that ghosts cannot cloak, so you cant approach the infestors from 3 sides with 1 cloaked ghost each, trying to emp... but i thank you for stating the truth by saying "EITHER play terran OR get good micro" because t really doesnt need micro to reach full efficiency.

[XDezibellX]

@Healingproof also the ghost is pretty equal, since he can cast ALL spells while cloaked, has an autoattack, can use nukes, which makes him have 4 spells instead of 3, hes heavy on minerals in cost and not on gas, etc...

[Healingproof]

@XDezibellX Wow you're clueless lol. Cloak isn't a spell. If you count cloak, then you might aswell count burrow. All casters has the same amount of spells, just the ghost's shittier and the ghost's more expensive.

[dyl4nw]

@Healingproof Ghosts arent shittier all their spells out range every spell in the game. EMP and snipe both out range fungle/psi storm/FF/ all that shit. GHosts are the shit.

[agm2004]

I definitely have trouble when fighting that combo. So far ive been doing mm+tank+ghost. A good number of tanks really help hit them from a distance, cause once he fungals your mm, you're probably done.

[jsnpark]

he so mad

[UhhCorey]

and of course ghosts counter destiny's infestors because he's too fucking mentally handicapped to split his infestors. EMP is op because I make a big ball of infestors and never split them!! XDXD

[whiteguycash]

I hear blue flame hellion are pretty good against ling/infestor

[UhhCorey]

"T can't go marine tank vs Z every single game" - destiny says this while he goes ling infestor EVERY SINGLE GAME rofl. that's the definition of imbalanced.

[ray7792]

@UhhCorey He goes ling/infestor to counter marine/tank. He plays reactive to his opponent, when he plays against meching Terrans he doesn't get really get infestors and has like zero lings. I'm not necessarily a fan of his play style, but it's his opponents fault for being so fuckin stubborn and not reacting

[n4v32x]

@UhhCorey Also against P, if the opponent gets any HT he transitions out of ling/infestor, because otherwise he loses. Ling/infestor isn't without counters, it's just that people are too stupid to use those counters or play reactive or anything.

[devastator06]

@UhhCorey he works his way towards hydra, infestor, broodlord in most of his games.

besides. if you are playing a terran who only goes tank marine, then why would he change his units unless the terran has map control?

[ChobanRush]

@UhhCorey he was talking about overall, not just those two. 90% of terrans go marine tank vs. Z. while zergs go muta bling, mass muta ling, infestor ling, roach bling, roach infestor,etc. not that terrans lack builds, but they choose the easiest.

[UhhCorey]

so what are the other late game "builds" beside marine tank and mech, i'm quite curious hahahaha

[gogatorsfoster1]

Destiny comes off as an ass their, Infestors are really good, Im not calling them OP, but they do counter everything. Terran can make ghosts but they are really expensive and eat into stuff that you need to kill the mass of other units.

[fr33t0]

hemad

[haiguysitsmeee]

destiny is retarded here and always whines of balance if he was terran youd hear worse than that. infestors is the only reason hes even good, its just ridiciclous how fail destiny and destiny dick suckers are

[GEAR414]

slammin those keys



[tomroxelf]

Terrans don't scout.

They open hellion of fast expand.

Then go siege tank marine ALL GAME.

[thepts]

The fact of the matter is, Zerg is still UP. Terrans just need to get better. They have slacked off for a year now. Many of the Terrans in higher leagues do not deserve to be there at all.

[penile1]

@thepts How do you figure Zerg are still underpowered? Because they're most definitely not.

[Tilda1Tilda1]

@thepts dude zerg is not up.

[gogatorsfoster1]

@thepts Zergs not fucking UP idk when you idiots will stop saying that, we had a zvz gsl finals for god sakes, At the moment outside of Korea Zerg is probably the strongest race

[ALLenROOK]

Terran have 2 units that only cost minerals that RAPE. marines in numbers>everything (seriously they do counter everything in numbers with stim)

and hellions with blue flame, 1 misclick 40 dead workers in 5 seconds.

[kryolitt]

how did he get that asianvoice after his match?

[bigibob]

@kryolitt SC2 Gears i think it's called.

[theycallmejg]

Seriously, wtf. This is so sad. Cry terran cry, I'd love to see how you explain you T v P? Are colussus IMBA too? this is sad.

[mike7775]

@theycallmejg If colossus fired projectiles which made tanks splash themselves, and if protoss had a unit which could do an AOE spell to snare, uncloak and do 40 damage to units then yes, colossus would be imba! lol!

[Fearthenunchucks]

lol I watched this happen on stream

[1knight454]

that guy is so fucking dumb..... if he prolly went ghost like destiny said... and threw in some blue flame hellions........ WITH his marine tank army... he wudv won hands down.... but destiny is right... every terran thinks they can go marine tank vs zerg EVERY GAME WHICH IS FUCKING FAIL ...... terran actually takes skill to play and ppl believe that their own race is OP so they expect to mass marines and press T and win but their wrong....

[MrWatwut]

Y U DISGRACE TERRAN USERES

[whoopingchow]

lol'd hard. Don't let Destiny get up to 9 BL's then. Easy.

[MsHojat]

wow Avilo's a dumbass. Freaking terrans can't deal with Starcraft cause they've spent ages on the easy road using their easy units.

[aznwilly211]

HI DESTINY!



[Batman001]

Im not gay steven

[bovinepro]

DESTINY IS A FAGGOT

[MadengoDude]

HI DESTINY!!

[TheDubDoubt]

Destiny is a whiney jew bag

[VivaFarFar]

Watched this game on his stream, was classic xDD

[amancalledstig]

Y WONT MY MARINE WORK!?!?!?!?!? 

[0nig]

emp while cloaked owns infestors - too bad terran players are retarded.

[gbrez99]

Terran mad because he cant mass marines every game

[DUCKVILLELOL]

<3 avilo

[TheDarqraven]

Is this Pain of Salvation playing in the background?

[pete275]

mass battlecruisers are kinda hard to counter with infestor.. it takes a lot of infested marines to kill them and fungals to keep them in place, and they kill your shit pretty fast (and they can't kill each other with NP because bcs don't do much damage to other bcs)

[gillon123]

The funny part is how he's complaining about a terran not scouting and responding, when Steven's whole abusive gameplan does the same exact thing?

What's he going? Oh, right, doesn't matter cause infestors work awesomely against that.

[Ploxinator]

@gillon123 Are you an idiot? His build has been getting demolished with in the US recently because people are learning how to stop it. Hes beating the shit out of the koreans mostly because they dont see that style. If you scout an infestation pit, ghosts are so SO easy to tech to. One good EMP can completely take care of this style.

[supradoom]

Even with ghosts its not enough. Ask bomber.

[amdusrjl]

rofl terrrans crying cause they actually have to learn how to play now. Deal with it.

[JMSadmirer]

THAT.... Was awesome

[delorber]

cant wait for infestors to be nerfed and this abusive destiny nerd to disappear

[sjafri2010]

cant wait till they nerf them so that destiny loses all his games

[MrLiudolf]

The terran speaks the truth.

[myrmecophilous]

Avilo is just a huge whiner. He whines constantly about P too.

[stanger127]

Doesn't destiny pretty much go ling/infestor every game no matter what without scouting? Why is that better than marine/tank without scouting?

[mannellee]

@stanger127 its not like zerg has a lot of options

[LunaSaint]

lol it would be avilo crying, he's so bm

[flectz]

BL/infestor is actually OP, david kim arleady said hes gonna do something about it

[neverseed1]

@flectz no he didnt actually.....he said theyd take a look at it. theres been a patch since then and guess what....nothing.....Terran is just mad they cant mass marine every game and press T to win

[flectz]

@neverseed1 nobody masses only marines to win, but since in probably in bronze i guess that makes sense

[hanslol]

@flectz Ever heard of exaggeration?

[hanslol]

@flectz Ever heard of exaggeration? It sucks to play the 575th game against random terran doing always the same shit. WHY MICRO I HAVE A HUGE BALL AND FUCKING TANKS BEHIND THEM

[flectz]

@hanslol learning curve is steep for zerg, so i understand why noobs like you qq. when you get to masters one day i promise ull find zerg to be easy as fuck. terran on the other hand, gets hard to play in masters.

[hanslol]

@flectz I'm Protoss.

[RataFucker]

ez zerg a-move still ez

[EACru2002]

Lol Avilo trying to say ghosts don't counter infestor/bl. "OH KNOE, THEY CAN FUNGAL ALL MY GHOSTS!" You mean like how you can EMP all his infestors. Spread them out genius. You can even make them stealth units for pete's sake and Zerg's only mobile detection is easily sniped.

[w0x]

And after this video about 600-700 people went to rape the stream of that terran.

[TheDemigodd]

This is all I hear in PvT. Shitty Terrans whining about their cheap as fuck MM not killing my tier 3 collo and storm WTF IMBALANCE

[flectz]

@TheDemigodd lol, maybe because we dont have other units that are better? our tier3 blows (bcs) thors used to be good, and they were getting used, but blizz decided to give thors energy again and nerf strike cannons now they get raped. most terrans dont say protoss is op, we just think ur race is easy as fuck and its annoying to lose vs u

[rattoh]

voted down because of shit quality 

[wertrewlim]

@rattoh Voting you down for the shitty quality of your post.

[advazffgjdfg]

Pro caster perhaps. Pro gamer means the thing you do to make money is play. He does not do that.

[TehCrimReaper]

ghost counter both infesters and brood lords and hes complaining bout them being a waste of money?

[greatgrahambini]

Marine/ghost



[Ybrethar]

Destiny is a fucking retard, he'll never be a real pro.

[Potts132]

@Ybrethar Pro means that you make money doing it. He is indeed a pro, not a amazingly good one, but a pro none the less.

[aznperson]

Marines counter its own counter (banelings)

[Emchamas]

@aznperson and counter everything else too.

[suberkin]

@aznperson no

[DrPepper42yes]

@aznperson Are you retarded or have you never heard of baneling speed and creep spread.

[Manhuntzor]

@aznperson unless an infestor fungals them and then 2 banelings kill 30 marines 

[InappropriateBanana]

That terran is a retard

[danielktaylor88]

@InappropriateBanana True, if you have micro control like the top Koreans. For all us lowly gold-diamond, Baneling still roll through pretty damn hard. :P

[M0hawk99]

@InappropriateBanana its avilo.

[Meatwad799]

Avilo sucks shit and so does any non korean terran.

[Wantstowincontest]

@Meatwad799 So true.

[KingOfKings891]

Why are people so fucking stupid. Ghost is the easy counter to BL/Infestor. Herp Derp Don't just leave your stupid ghost out by themselves! 6 Ghosts and you can destroy a Zerg "death ball". I also like when Terran complains about Protoss "death ball" too. Ghosts are so OP, but people are just to stupid to use them.

[IgnorantCommentor]

@KingOfKings891 But you cant A move or leapfrog ghosts, so terran players cant figure it out.

[KingOfKings891]

@IgnorantCommentor I know! How stupid. I mean Ghosts have cloak....and a good range... In all honesty Protoss and Zerg should be QQ'n about how it's impossible to beat a Ghost army.

[mmmcigarette]

avilo confirmed for whining crybaby

[funzjake]

Terran " Ok guys we have an issue" Terran2 "what is it terran?" Terran "zerg and protoss are beating our marines and mauraders" Terran2 "how the fuck... I told you to add siegetanks" Terran "the realized how to beat that to" Terran2 "mother of god we're doomed"

[GosuProbe]

The problem here is that Avilo is fucking retarded.

[XzyerasuX]

@GosuProbe he is defenitly not, he even explains his problem to destiny who doesnt even read it an just keeps repeating the same shit that has nothing to do with the topic

[GosuProbe]

@XzyerasuX I'm not talking about their argument. He's just stupid.

[VenerableLordKroak]

@GosuProbe

yeah pretty much, it's interesting how wrong avilo actually are, I agree with destiny's rage, it's not worth arguing with a person who actually thinks infestor+BL is imba