@thatgaybloke type in "anton lavey deathbed confession" its basically about a non beliver such as your self who turned a satanist, that eventually past away and on his deathbed he begged for GOD's mercy, the point there is, if a satanist who also doesn't belive in god essentially, could ask for his forgiveness, that in a nutshell explains that all you non believers is somewhat of a contridiction
@Parchybangin crumbs! I don't know where to start with this. Are you just trolling, or are you serious? Am I going to be wasting my time if I explain what's wrong with your argument and conclusion?
They're here, they're queer, but if you get in my face, you'll have a Glock 9 pointed at yours. Oh and don't blame it on religion, I don't need religion as an excuse to find your butt slamming ways repugnant, Ill just go with the way it smells ok with you faggots? You idiots can't even give blood at a blood donar drive and there is a GOOD REASON for that. so GET A fuckin CLUE
So in other words you Godless wonder, YOU want the world to be just YOUR way. You know, you atheists act like you don't have habits, ideas, language, television programming, and many other secular behaviors that we Christians have shoved in our faces, down our throats, have to listen to, etc.. Same with the politics and the laws. You bet I think gays are abhorrent debased individuals that have no business being married to same sex but if the law allows it, so be it
@Ultramediacorp What I want is to be left alone to live my life as I wish. You say that you think gay people should be allowed to marry if the law permits, even though you are a homophobe. That's the point - people like you are preventing the rest of us from living our lives as we wish. If you had your beliefs and lived your life accordingly, that would be fine. The fact is you can't keep it to yourselves and feel everyone else should be bound by the same superstitious rules.
@thatgaybloke Yes People like me are preventing a lot of things LIKE MURDER and STEALING, we don't agree that is a good thing either while YOU ya Christaphobic sexual deviant, think I should have my opinion labeled hatred and bigotry when that is what YOU express. I simply understand Biology and the obvious mechanics of reproduction. I don't care if you want to be gay but telling me I have to accept your faggot ass is OUT OF THE QUESTION. I DO NOT HAVE TO LIKE GAYS. SO TOLERATE THAT FAGGOT
@Ultramediacorp Really? Preventing murder and stealing? Seems the prisons are full of Christians who have done just that. If you want to know why your opinion is labelled "bigotry" and "hatred" then reading your own post here should be a clue.
@thatgaybloke No no no. I have no interest in trying to convince you that Christian anti-semitism had nothing to do with Hitlers type. It certainly made it easier for him. However, whether or not it influenced himself is another matter.
@SanctiCaeli It looks like you may have grasped the wrong end of the stick. My point is that the persecution of Jewish people arises directly from the anti-Semitism of Christianity. Hitler's persecution of the Jews was a manifestation of that anti-Semitism. Not the cause of the "the war" but definitely a component in it.
@thatgaybloke Those things are gone from our lives the moment we gave our lives to Christ. At this moment, I'm in great shape emotionally. We just don't have the mental issues and stresses unbelievers are so prone to.
2 Timothy 1:7
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
@mrtadreamer Good for you - and I don't mean that sarcastically either. People should be able to live without fear. It seems to me that for the most part the fear of Hell is used by Christianity to keep people in check. You believe that you won't go to hell because you have given yourself over to Jesus. I believe I won't go to hell for the same reason I believe I won't go to Gre'Thor or Tartarus - because none of these actually exist. We both win. Excellent.
I agree with you about the "sanctity" of the confessional. I think the religious community needs to STFU about sex since they generally disapprove of it in any form and aren't fit to judge anyone about anything else.
I think religions should be denied the "no tax" status. Its a business. In business you buy a load of rubbish and sell it to somebody that wants it. Thats is all religion is, rubbish aimed at people that like that sort of thing or don't klnow better.
@kamikrazi123 You ignorant atheist religious shits! Who do you think you are blaming war on religion? Explain how WW2 was a religious war. In fact, explain how any war in the last 200 years was a religious war. It is so convenient for atheists to blame war on that which they hate most but a little thought, a minuscule tiny little grain of sense will expose you as the fear mongerers and hate addicts you really are.
No. You want to redefine word. And probably use law to force your new definition on other people.
What next: man and a goat we'll call marriage ?
And about adopting children, best family is man and woman, other forms of families are not as best (gay couple or single woman or single man). So they should be highier in hierarchy for possible adoption.
The real deal is I won't let anybody to force me to call relationship of two people of the same sex to call them marriage (even if they were my friends).
For me marriage is between men and woman. If for example we have a couple: man and man who had changed sex trough operation and looks like a woman now. Geneticaly they are both man, but I would call them marriage. Two housbands or two wifes is not marriage to me. Why you don't respect my view, and impose yours ?
My proof lies in Evolution. But differences are not drastic.
"you have no right to tell anyone that they" have to call relationship of two people of the same sex marriage.
@krooshak Ofcourse, you can have yoiur views, dont get me wrong but they are silly.
Evolution is against your theory, somehow the gay gene has managed to survive, meaning that it brings some possitive effects, bisexuals for example was more trusted to stay at home at guard the wives while the men went out and hunted, therefor they could have sex with the women to and spread the gay gene.
i stand by my statement that you have no right to decide wether or not people can love who ever they want.
Hm ? Gay gene ? So being gay is determined by genome ? Interesting ...
I'm conservative, libertarian, atheist. Of course i have no right to decide wether or not people can love who ever they want. And I have the right to define marriage as consisting of husband and wife and to refuse to call gay couples marriage.
@krooshak yupp, actually if you have alot of big brothers the chance that you are gay will increase, and if you have a twin itll increase by 50%.
Yeah sure, and i have the right to refuse to accept gravity, but that doesnt make gravity disappear, and your statement doesnt take away the fact that everyone has a right to marry who ever they want.
I do not accept atemps to redefine word marriage. Marriage is between two distinct sexes. Everyone has a right to marry who ever they want from opossite sex or gay marry who ever they want from same sex.
@krooshak i find it hard to believe that you could have a mindset like that if youve ever encountered anyone that is homosexual, i am interested in hearing an argument from your side, to see if mine is wrong but your just repeating the same nonsens, your just telling me that they're not allowed to do it.
LEt me hear some arguments and ill possibly change my mind.
Alright, let's not go off on Catholic priests here. You don't have to agree with Catholic beliefs to recognize that they believe Confession is really between them and God,not them and the priest. And come on, look at your anatomy! You and your "boyfriend" can"t make a baby now can you? So whether you want to believe that was God or just nature, you should take the hint that guys aren't supposed to have sex. If your gay, that's fine, but you should control yourself dude
So what if my partner and I can't make a baby? Sex for human beings is more than just procreation. Do you think infertile couples shouldn't have sex? What about older people who are past child bearing age? Your arguments are nonsense.
now get this straight your belief affect every one u come in contact with. because ur belief influence your behavior . dont be made at society and nature because ur gay.
I'm not angry at anyone or anything for me being gay. I am who I am. It would make as much sense for me being angry at society and nature because I have blue eyes - i.e. none at all. My anger is towards people who treat me badly because they are motivated by ignorance, bigotry and hate.
As a black person, I am sure you are aware of ingrained discrimination towards non-whites, especially in the western world. If you [presumably] agree that it's wrong to discriminate against someone because of something they are (i.e. black or disabled) then why are you so hostile to gays?
I could ask to you, how can blacks help humanity? No doubt you'd find that offensive. So why can't you relate to the discrimination against gays by religious nutjobs?
And yet, it wasn't atheists who flew those planes into the World Trade Center, now was it?
I can be an atheist and care about other people because I value people. I can ask you the question, "how can a theist care about other people when their god issues multiple instructions on murdering and oppressing them?"
That is so totally ignorant and stupid, it's not even funny. It is religion that drives people to fly planes into buildings, not atheism. Your lack of belief in pixies doesn't make you murder. The obvious God Delusion you have just might.
This attitude of religious fanatics just sickens me and makes it ever clearer that religion is a plague like no other. Thank god for atheistic europe!
@kimour You fucking ignorant religious shits. Neverminding the idiocy of this comment, you're too dumb and narrow-minded to understand there is no God and that religion is a sham. Religion is the bullshit that gets man to start killing one another.
To go specifically with underage kids having sex, I don't agree with it because I think it's not in the best interest for their present and future, it just happens to coincide with the Bible.
But anywayz, there are plenty of reason to not like the bias there for Christians but it is this also why you don't believe? They don't correlate.
Also, what you've described is not a prescription to Christianity. Many Christians believe in birth control and have no problem with gay people.
Logically from reason knowing that MATTER does not manifest itself nor does it manifest consciousness - knowing that atoms dont think will or have emotion - logically with reason, we can deduce, matter and consciousness is coming from something NON-material, something spiritual source - God is proven with logic, so you know He exists
Religion on the other hand is man-made to suit man's desires. U can hate men & their religions but dont deny God
I think you have a good outlook man. I probably don't agree with you on many things, but your recognition of the separation of spirituality and religion shows great enlightenment!
Religion is sentiment, blind faith, and so many types to suit the desires of many moods of man,
However philosophically and logically, only a fool would deny God. With the intelligence to understand, time and space cannot manifest from non-existence, knowing the soul exists as the physical cannot manifest consciousness, one should see answers, God must have left here for us.
Religion puts peoples minds behind bars. My mind is my last refuge to freedom and the first. I will not let these nutcases make me a prisoner of dogma. Never. I will defend it and I will offend.
Why does religion automatically shut your mind down? You would think people would want to have no accountability or no consequences for what happens on Earth. It would be much easier NOT to believe, so that's an insult to think that we've decided to make ourselves accountable.
There are plenty of intelligent and respected scientists, some of which have shapped how science has evolved. So don't put down believers because you've met a few dumb ones. I've met dumb ones on both ends myself.
American sex education makes me so angry. It takes an extremely high level of stupid to actually make me angry, and American sex education easily reaches that level.
The U.S. has the highest rates of teen pregnancy in the developed world, the highest rates of abortion, and I believe the highest rates of STDs as well. Leave it to the religious right to come up with a plan so incredibly stupid that they actually get more of what they don't want and then fail to realize their inaneness.
The conclusion that one shouldn't care about what they don't believe in is absurd. I don't believe in killing people, but I care very much that those around me don't kill each other.
I agree - but to be fair, I don't think that's quite the spirit in which the initial criticism was levelled. More like me bitching about which football team someone supports when I don't like sports.
Lets talk about one subject at a time.The sex education issue.Well lets face it,the reason why all the youth are having sex so early and often is the media not christians.The media(which is quite secular)glorifies sex,puts sexual inuendo in everything,from food commercials,to childrens sitcoms,cartoons, and of course just about every movie.Kids nowadays are for the most part are not innocent youth of 50 years ago.They know the consequences of thier actions.They simply choose not to use condoms.
"the reason why all the youth are having sex so early and often is the media not christians"
Incorrect - young people have been having sex since before recorded history, never mind the arrival of "the media".
I'm not blaming Christians for kids having sex - if I "blame" anyone, I blame nature. It's the reason for our existence - passing on genetic information.
What I blame religious and social conservatives for is restricting access to contraception and sex education. THAT is what leads to teenage pregnancy, not sex.
You know, your really the first reasonable Atheist I've encountered on youtube. Although we have differing views on subjects, you present your arguments with valid points and logical arguments. You have respect for others and that is why I have respect for you and your beliefs. I just wish more Atheist were able to have intelligent debate.
You should look at my list of subscriptions - i.e. the people I've subscribed to. There are plenty of reasonable atheists there. If you'd like some recommendations, I'd be happy to send through.
You'll find it hard for atheists to have an intelligent debate because we can't debate against unprovable "facts". Your claim to being right is "faith" and our claim to being right is facts. Do you see how that can make for one horrible debate?
Hmmm... Is it a provable fact that everything that exists came from nothing? It takes more faith to believe that nonsense than it does to believe in intelligent design. If I took all the parts to make a mousetrap and laid them on the ground - how many million years would it take for them to assemble themselves into a simple trap? What makes your faith better than anyone else's? Think before you speak.
Exactly! Science, in it's own way, has become a religion. It explains a lot of things but does not explain the deepest fundamentals like how all of this began and yet science can come up with nothing creating everything and that's an intelligent theory.
The world is evident that there is a higher power. Things have happened to perfectly. It's absolutely insulting to say that all Christians believe blindly, we also look for proof and we find it. You're too blind to do the same.
The amazing thing is that if we apply the "scientific method" that we all learned in grade school to the topic of creation, we have no choice but to conclude that the universe "was created".
But lies don't need to make sense do they? Yelling "There is no God!" at the top of your voice doesn't make His discernible handiwork just disappear. So get real.
Be an atheist if you want. Believe in pixie dust if you want. I can respect that.
But as for me and my house - we will serve the Lord.
Go on then. Make a video response showing your application of the scientific method that demonstrates that the universe was "created". If it has merit then you will get appreciated.
No need to. Richard Dawkins makes a better case for creation than I ever could on "Ben Stein's Expelled". But that isn't my point. My point is that atheists' beliefs that we came from nothing are no more credible than is my faith in God. It is all faith. Doesn't matter how many atheists post videos on youtube, or how angry they are. Science has taught us that nothing comes from nothing, and something comes from something. I call that "something" God. Who's right? Someday we'll all know - yes?
Your response is pretty much what I had expected. You evade the question rather than answer it. The accusation that science and religion are both just positions of faith is invalid. Science back up claims with evidence and prediction of behaviour of the world. Faith requires suspension of disbelief so that what we know to be true in the real world can be reconciled with dogma.
Science requires evidence to back up claims. The idea of faith - as I understand it - is that it requires belief without evidence.
You say that nothing comes from nothing, something comes from something - that is, in essence, conservation of matter and energy. Calling the rapidly expanding mass of matter and energy that forms our modern Universe "god" is just word play.
By most common understanding, "god" is an intelligence. A sentient mind that created the Universe with purpose. There is absolutely no evidence to back up that claim.
Will we all know someday? I think we won't. If I'm right, then neither of us will know because our death is the end of our consciousness. There will be nothing left of us to "know".
It's strange accusation to level at me (or atheists in general) to say that we're angry. I'm not the one advocating slaughter of people who have different beliefs or lifestyles from my own - all in the name and glory of God.
In any case, if having people dictate to me how I should live my life, people actively trying to harm me because I don't share their silly superstitions, then don't you think that, in these circumstances, a little anger is justified?
"The idea of faith - as I understand it - is that it requires belief without evidence."
Well, I understand faith differently. I exercise faith, or trust, when I acknowledge a being whom I could never begin to comprehend. But I don't feel a need to understand all about God. I only seek to understand what He expects of me.
I did not evade your question. Dawkins is both a well-known atheist and a noted scientist. I thought perhaps you might respect his opinion. The bottom line is that creation itself is evidence of the Creator. And I haven't heard ONE credible explanation from ANYONE as to how matter came to exist from nothing. But you apparently have. So don't be coy - share it with us. How did everything there is come from nothing?
BTW, I assumed you were angry simply because you refer to yourself as such...
I know. The child abuse thing makes my blood boil. Especially since Pope Ben, the man with the serial killer in his eyes (apologies to Kate), was instrumental in the hush-hush operation. His mealy mouthed "apology" was sickening. (Especially since he didn't apologise at all but said that American morality has to bear part of the burden. He is a contemptible shitbag.)
I agree I try to live by "live and let live". I would have been quite happy to live my life quietly. But in America we have fundies who insist that America was founded as a Christian nation. The reason I joined YouTube was because the state of Indiana offered a In God we Trust license plate.
I think we'll never be able to argue the case if we keep calling it "marriage" as the religious will not be able to keep their religion-based ideas out of the argument. So I would argue the opposite: remove the term "marriage" from all legal terminology, and replace it with a secular term, whatever, even "civil partnership". So you want legal protection? Ok. Enter into a "civil partnership". It doesn't matter whether you're gay, straight or whatever (more...)
Legally, then, the term "married" becomes meaningless. Want to call yourself "married"? Go right ahead. Want to pretend that that term actually *means* something? Go annoy your local god-botherer. And who can or cannot be "married" then becomes an internal nitpickfest for each religion to work out for itself. Fuck 'em. :P
i think this is an excelent idea and all partnerships should be required to do this in order to get protection under the law. screw the religous stuff. xtians love talking god but the divorce rate has got to be higher amongst beleivers than nonbeleivers. after all thier starting maried life on an added false premis to begin with. sory for jumping in just saw your coment and couldn't help myself.
Well put, Although I am not gay and don't agree with it, I do agree with personal choice so If you want to get same sex marriage fine, thats not hurting anyone.
Just two matters I did want to touch on however.
Question, You have stated that there shouldn't be priest-criminal disclosure protection,on the same token, do you agree that there should't be patient-psychiatrist privilege either?
Second,With the amount of information readily available today the sex education argument is invalid
The question about patient-psychiatrist privilege? I don't know. Probably not. If someone with a mental illness has committed a crime - or intends to, then that is a legal issue.
I must insist that it is your rejection of my argument about sex education is invalid. By the same token there is plenty of evidence readily available today regarding the age of the Universe and evolution - neither of which seem to make a jot of difference to those who prefer to cling to their bronze age mythology.
The trouble is that the activists come out of the moderates and the moderates form a huge cushion protecting the advocates. I therefore am opposed to all religion. By that I mean the world will be a better place when everyone is sufficiently educated to see that religions are just children's stories, like Santa Claus except that the truth about the latter is (finally) admitted to children but former is not!
i agrea, what could be considered colective delusion should not have any special status or veto where pragmatism and rational should hold sway. nice video. the lunatics have been running the asylum for centuries. its time to remove religouse privaledge. ime not particularly angry at religeon but ime furious at religous stupidity and privaledge.
Something like 25% of the kids in the US have sexual diseases as a direct consequence of the religidiots. Support Planned Parenthood to fight this IDiocy!
Even more marvellous is the news that there is uproar in the Anglican church over a minister who performed a religious marriage ceremony for two gay clergy.
I would be great to think we're seeing the beginning of the end as the Anglican church disintegrates.
i know what you mean but the only problem i see with that scenario is the reformation of splinter groups into even wierder versions of theism. every time a religeon splinters what is created is more often than not worse than what it came from. the up side i geus is that the resultant groups will have less power and little mandate.
This is a possible down side, but consider that one of the strengths of established religions is tradition. This somehow gives weight and validity to their claims. Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Branch Davidians are all regarded as much less "valid" than the Catholic and Anglican Churches.
Plus the resultant in fighting will further weaken them. This has to be a good thing.
ide like to see religous authority undermined. its a contradiction in terms anyway. i cringe every time they wheel out some mental vicar who says we should bend over backwards to acomadate more loony religeons. havn't we got enough self proclaimed authoriteis on stupidity without encouraging more.
Dammed Skippy. I get the "why do you care so much about religion" question thrown at me all the time which is strange as it's a fairly simple answer, if religion didn't infringe on my and other non-believers day to day lives, I wouldn't give a shit.
The only thing about civil partnerships that bother me is that het couples have started bitching about wanting the same rights that a civil partnership grants. Civil partnership is marraige in everything but name, if they want the same rights as a couple that civil partners have, why don't they just get married?
It's the principle of discrimination that's the cause of the objection. It might seem petty that heterosexual people have the option to get married, but what if they want a civil partnership? Why should they be denied that just because of their sexual orientation.
The distinction is artificial and should be removed.
Please all of you Atheists, search Anton Lavey ! Thank YOU
Parchybangin 1 week ago
@Parchybangin So I look up Anton Lavey and I find links to Satanism. What is your point?
thatgaybloke 6 days ago
@thatgaybloke type in "anton lavey deathbed confession" its basically about a non beliver such as your self who turned a satanist, that eventually past away and on his deathbed he begged for GOD's mercy, the point there is, if a satanist who also doesn't belive in god essentially, could ask for his forgiveness, that in a nutshell explains that all you non believers is somewhat of a contridiction
Parchybangin 6 days ago
@Parchybangin crumbs! I don't know where to start with this. Are you just trolling, or are you serious? Am I going to be wasting my time if I explain what's wrong with your argument and conclusion?
thatgaybloke 6 days ago
They're here, they're queer, but if you get in my face, you'll have a Glock 9 pointed at yours. Oh and don't blame it on religion, I don't need religion as an excuse to find your butt slamming ways repugnant, Ill just go with the way it smells ok with you faggots? You idiots can't even give blood at a blood donar drive and there is a GOOD REASON for that. so GET A fuckin CLUE
Ultramediacorp 5 months ago
@Ultramediacorp Ah, death threats. I wondered when we'd get there.
thatgaybloke 5 months ago
So in other words you Godless wonder, YOU want the world to be just YOUR way. You know, you atheists act like you don't have habits, ideas, language, television programming, and many other secular behaviors that we Christians have shoved in our faces, down our throats, have to listen to, etc.. Same with the politics and the laws. You bet I think gays are abhorrent debased individuals that have no business being married to same sex but if the law allows it, so be it
It's a two way street pal
Ultramediacorp 5 months ago
@Ultramediacorp What I want is to be left alone to live my life as I wish. You say that you think gay people should be allowed to marry if the law permits, even though you are a homophobe. That's the point - people like you are preventing the rest of us from living our lives as we wish. If you had your beliefs and lived your life accordingly, that would be fine. The fact is you can't keep it to yourselves and feel everyone else should be bound by the same superstitious rules.
thatgaybloke 5 months ago
@thatgaybloke Yes People like me are preventing a lot of things LIKE MURDER and STEALING, we don't agree that is a good thing either while YOU ya Christaphobic sexual deviant, think I should have my opinion labeled hatred and bigotry when that is what YOU express. I simply understand Biology and the obvious mechanics of reproduction. I don't care if you want to be gay but telling me I have to accept your faggot ass is OUT OF THE QUESTION. I DO NOT HAVE TO LIKE GAYS. SO TOLERATE THAT FAGGOT
Ultramediacorp 5 months ago
@Ultramediacorp Really? Preventing murder and stealing? Seems the prisons are full of Christians who have done just that. If you want to know why your opinion is labelled "bigotry" and "hatred" then reading your own post here should be a clue.
thatgaybloke 5 months ago
@thatgaybloke No no no. I have no interest in trying to convince you that Christian anti-semitism had nothing to do with Hitlers type. It certainly made it easier for him. However, whether or not it influenced himself is another matter.
I was just saying that it wasn't a cause if WWII.
SanctiCaeli 8 months ago
@thygaybloke Wow. Two months and you get back to me. Backlog must be dreadful, huh.
The allies do not attack Hitler because of Jewish Persecution. They invaded Europe because of their mutual threat.
Another wrong Atheist. Who wudda thunk it?
SanctiCaeli 8 months ago
@SanctiCaeli It looks like you may have grasped the wrong end of the stick. My point is that the persecution of Jewish people arises directly from the anti-Semitism of Christianity. Hitler's persecution of the Jews was a manifestation of that anti-Semitism. Not the cause of the "the war" but definitely a component in it.
thatgaybloke 8 months ago
atheists are the ultimate losers.
mrtadreamer 8 months ago
@mrtadreamer The only thing we lose is the oppression and fear of superstition ruining our lives.
thatgaybloke 8 months ago
@thatgaybloke Those things are gone from our lives the moment we gave our lives to Christ. At this moment, I'm in great shape emotionally. We just don't have the mental issues and stresses unbelievers are so prone to.
2 Timothy 1:7
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
mrtadreamer 8 months ago
@mrtadreamer Good for you - and I don't mean that sarcastically either. People should be able to live without fear. It seems to me that for the most part the fear of Hell is used by Christianity to keep people in check. You believe that you won't go to hell because you have given yourself over to Jesus. I believe I won't go to hell for the same reason I believe I won't go to Gre'Thor or Tartarus - because none of these actually exist. We both win. Excellent.
thatgaybloke 8 months ago
@thatgaybloke derp
floopula 7 months ago
I agree with you about the "sanctity" of the confessional. I think the religious community needs to STFU about sex since they generally disapprove of it in any form and aren't fit to judge anyone about anything else.
I think religions should be denied the "no tax" status. Its a business. In business you buy a load of rubbish and sell it to somebody that wants it. Thats is all religion is, rubbish aimed at people that like that sort of thing or don't klnow better.
Thoughtland 9 months ago
YOU DO BELIEVE IN GOD!!!
MrTrack412 10 months ago
@MrTrack412 No, I don't. The whole idea of god is ridiculous. I don't believe in god any more than I believe in Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny.
thatgaybloke 10 months ago
@MrTrack412 YOU DO BELIEVE IN THE FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER!
ILUV412 9 months ago
yes...you want to be free to sin without guilt.
MrTrack412 10 months ago
Religion means...way of life.
MrTrack412 10 months ago
@MrTrack412 Then you live your life your way, I'll live mine my way. If religion would keep its nose out of my business we'd get along just fine.
thatgaybloke 10 months ago
@kamikrazi123 You ignorant atheist religious shits! Who do you think you are blaming war on religion? Explain how WW2 was a religious war. In fact, explain how any war in the last 200 years was a religious war. It is so convenient for atheists to blame war on that which they hate most but a little thought, a minuscule tiny little grain of sense will expose you as the fear mongerers and hate addicts you really are.
SanctiCaeli 11 months ago
@SanctiCaeli Yeah I'm sure that the persecution of the Jews had nothing to do with Christian persecution of Jews over the previous millennia.
thatgaybloke 8 months ago
Guys .... we are in the Matrix .... we probably need to wake up, both Atheists and Theists .....
LOL
stgl1987 1 year ago
In mariage you have husband and wife. Two husbands or two wifes is not mariage.
krooshak 1 year ago
@krooshak Yes it is.
thatgaybloke 1 year ago
@thatgaybloke
No. You want to redefine word. And probably use law to force your new definition on other people.
What next: man and a goat we'll call marriage ?
And about adopting children, best family is man and woman, other forms of families are not as best (gay couple or single woman or single man). So they should be highier in hierarchy for possible adoption.
krooshak 1 year ago
@krooshak Marriage is just a construction, partnership is the real deal.
Imhornydadcomeinside 1 year ago
@Imhornydadcomeinside
The real deal is I won't let anybody to force me to call relationship of two people of the same sex to call them marriage (even if they were my friends).
krooshak 1 year ago
@krooshak You pulled that out of your ass -.-
Let me imitate you but from the oposite side.
in mariage you have 2 men or 2 women, husband and wife is NOT mariage.
You have no proof whatsoever that homosexal mariage is less worth or less possible than hetrosexual marriage.¨
Homosexuality is natural, love is wonderful whoever you love, what ever you love.
Love is a chemical reaction in your brain, it can react to ANYTHING, you have no right to tell anyone that they cant love anyone or anything.
JollSSteR 1 year ago
@JollSSteR
For me marriage is between men and woman. If for example we have a couple: man and man who had changed sex trough operation and looks like a woman now. Geneticaly they are both man, but I would call them marriage. Two housbands or two wifes is not marriage to me. Why you don't respect my view, and impose yours ?
My proof lies in Evolution. But differences are not drastic.
"you have no right to tell anyone that they" have to call relationship of two people of the same sex marriage.
krooshak 1 year ago
@krooshak Ofcourse, you can have yoiur views, dont get me wrong but they are silly.
Evolution is against your theory, somehow the gay gene has managed to survive, meaning that it brings some possitive effects, bisexuals for example was more trusted to stay at home at guard the wives while the men went out and hunted, therefor they could have sex with the women to and spread the gay gene.
i stand by my statement that you have no right to decide wether or not people can love who ever they want.
JollSSteR 1 year ago
@JollSSteR
Hm ? Gay gene ? So being gay is determined by genome ? Interesting ...
I'm conservative, libertarian, atheist. Of course i have no right to decide wether or not people can love who ever they want. And I have the right to define marriage as consisting of husband and wife and to refuse to call gay couples marriage.
krooshak 1 year ago
@krooshak yupp, actually if you have alot of big brothers the chance that you are gay will increase, and if you have a twin itll increase by 50%.
Yeah sure, and i have the right to refuse to accept gravity, but that doesnt make gravity disappear, and your statement doesnt take away the fact that everyone has a right to marry who ever they want.
JollSSteR 1 year ago
@JollSSteR
I do not accept atemps to redefine word marriage. Marriage is between two distinct sexes. Everyone has a right to marry who ever they want from opossite sex or gay marry who ever they want from same sex.
krooshak 1 year ago
@krooshak i find it hard to believe that you could have a mindset like that if youve ever encountered anyone that is homosexual, i am interested in hearing an argument from your side, to see if mine is wrong but your just repeating the same nonsens, your just telling me that they're not allowed to do it.
LEt me hear some arguments and ill possibly change my mind.
JollSSteR 1 year ago
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LOTRlover1900 1 year ago
Alright, let's not go off on Catholic priests here. You don't have to agree with Catholic beliefs to recognize that they believe Confession is really between them and God,not them and the priest. And come on, look at your anatomy! You and your "boyfriend" can"t make a baby now can you? So whether you want to believe that was God or just nature, you should take the hint that guys aren't supposed to have sex. If your gay, that's fine, but you should control yourself dude
stressedout13 2 years ago
So what if my partner and I can't make a baby? Sex for human beings is more than just procreation. Do you think infertile couples shouldn't have sex? What about older people who are past child bearing age? Your arguments are nonsense.
thatgaybloke 2 years ago
@thatgaybloke u cn styll have sex bt u must be married if u cnt have children or nt dnt be silly
samfam222 1 year ago
now get this straight your belief affect every one u come in contact with. because ur belief influence your behavior . dont be made at society and nature because ur gay.
kimour 2 years ago
I'm not angry at anyone or anything for me being gay. I am who I am. It would make as much sense for me being angry at society and nature because I have blue eyes - i.e. none at all. My anger is towards people who treat me badly because they are motivated by ignorance, bigotry and hate.
thatgaybloke 2 years ago
As a black person, I am sure you are aware of ingrained discrimination towards non-whites, especially in the western world. If you [presumably] agree that it's wrong to discriminate against someone because of something they are (i.e. black or disabled) then why are you so hostile to gays?
I could ask to you, how can blacks help humanity? No doubt you'd find that offensive. So why can't you relate to the discrimination against gays by religious nutjobs?
tk1488 2 years ago
go kill ur self then. as a black man i'm thought that if u dont believe in any thing you will stand for anything.
how can gays help humanity please explain????
please explain ?
your contradicting your self a an atheist!
if im correct how can u be a atheist and care about other people ?
atheist are no different from the the 9/11 terrorist.
kimour 2 years ago
And yet, it wasn't atheists who flew those planes into the World Trade Center, now was it?
I can be an atheist and care about other people because I value people. I can ask you the question, "how can a theist care about other people when their god issues multiple instructions on murdering and oppressing them?"
thatgaybloke 2 years ago 2
That is so totally ignorant and stupid, it's not even funny. It is religion that drives people to fly planes into buildings, not atheism. Your lack of belief in pixies doesn't make you murder. The obvious God Delusion you have just might.
This attitude of religious fanatics just sickens me and makes it ever clearer that religion is a plague like no other. Thank god for atheistic europe!
PeGe90 2 years ago
@kimour You fucking ignorant religious shits. Neverminding the idiocy of this comment, you're too dumb and narrow-minded to understand there is no God and that religion is a sham. Religion is the bullshit that gets man to start killing one another.
kamikrazi123 1 year ago
To go specifically with underage kids having sex, I don't agree with it because I think it's not in the best interest for their present and future, it just happens to coincide with the Bible.
But anywayz, there are plenty of reason to not like the bias there for Christians but it is this also why you don't believe? They don't correlate.
Also, what you've described is not a prescription to Christianity. Many Christians believe in birth control and have no problem with gay people.
VeggieTrunks 3 years ago
"He who angers you conquers you" Elizabeth Kenny
Logically from reason knowing that MATTER does not manifest itself nor does it manifest consciousness - knowing that atoms dont think will or have emotion - logically with reason, we can deduce, matter and consciousness is coming from something NON-material, something spiritual source - God is proven with logic, so you know He exists
Religion on the other hand is man-made to suit man's desires. U can hate men & their religions but dont deny God
Rasabihariji 3 years ago
I think you have a good outlook man. I probably don't agree with you on many things, but your recognition of the separation of spirituality and religion shows great enlightenment!
TehPhocomelus 3 years ago
Religion is sentiment, blind faith, and so many types to suit the desires of many moods of man,
However philosophically and logically, only a fool would deny God. With the intelligence to understand, time and space cannot manifest from non-existence, knowing the soul exists as the physical cannot manifest consciousness, one should see answers, God must have left here for us.
Rasabihariji 3 years ago
seek*
Rasabihariji 3 years ago
I should have read this before I commented, lol. I agree, definitely.
VeggieTrunks 3 years ago
Religion puts peoples minds behind bars. My mind is my last refuge to freedom and the first. I will not let these nutcases make me a prisoner of dogma. Never. I will defend it and I will offend.
prakkari 3 years ago
Why does religion automatically shut your mind down? You would think people would want to have no accountability or no consequences for what happens on Earth. It would be much easier NOT to believe, so that's an insult to think that we've decided to make ourselves accountable.
There are plenty of intelligent and respected scientists, some of which have shapped how science has evolved. So don't put down believers because you've met a few dumb ones. I've met dumb ones on both ends myself.
VeggieTrunks 3 years ago
YOu should be a politician> Now that I think again, maybe more people would vote for someone with more conservative Cristian Ideas
rickyrodriguez78 3 years ago
American sex education makes me so angry. It takes an extremely high level of stupid to actually make me angry, and American sex education easily reaches that level.
The U.S. has the highest rates of teen pregnancy in the developed world, the highest rates of abortion, and I believe the highest rates of STDs as well. Leave it to the religious right to come up with a plan so incredibly stupid that they actually get more of what they don't want and then fail to realize their inaneness.
ubergossen 3 years ago
The conclusion that one shouldn't care about what they don't believe in is absurd. I don't believe in killing people, but I care very much that those around me don't kill each other.
ubergossen 3 years ago
I agree - but to be fair, I don't think that's quite the spirit in which the initial criticism was levelled. More like me bitching about which football team someone supports when I don't like sports.
What you say is quite correct, though.
thatgaybloke 3 years ago
Lets talk about one subject at a time.The sex education issue.Well lets face it,the reason why all the youth are having sex so early and often is the media not christians.The media(which is quite secular)glorifies sex,puts sexual inuendo in everything,from food commercials,to childrens sitcoms,cartoons, and of course just about every movie.Kids nowadays are for the most part are not innocent youth of 50 years ago.They know the consequences of thier actions.They simply choose not to use condoms.
itssalgood 3 years ago
"the reason why all the youth are having sex so early and often is the media not christians"
Incorrect - young people have been having sex since before recorded history, never mind the arrival of "the media".
I'm not blaming Christians for kids having sex - if I "blame" anyone, I blame nature. It's the reason for our existence - passing on genetic information.
thatgaybloke 3 years ago
What I blame religious and social conservatives for is restricting access to contraception and sex education. THAT is what leads to teenage pregnancy, not sex.
thatgaybloke 3 years ago
You know, your really the first reasonable Atheist I've encountered on youtube. Although we have differing views on subjects, you present your arguments with valid points and logical arguments. You have respect for others and that is why I have respect for you and your beliefs. I just wish more Atheist were able to have intelligent debate.
itssalgood 3 years ago
You should look at my list of subscriptions - i.e. the people I've subscribed to. There are plenty of reasonable atheists there. If you'd like some recommendations, I'd be happy to send through.
thatgaybloke 3 years ago
You'll find it hard for atheists to have an intelligent debate because we can't debate against unprovable "facts". Your claim to being right is "faith" and our claim to being right is facts. Do you see how that can make for one horrible debate?
jamesbizs 3 years ago
Hmmm... Is it a provable fact that everything that exists came from nothing? It takes more faith to believe that nonsense than it does to believe in intelligent design. If I took all the parts to make a mousetrap and laid them on the ground - how many million years would it take for them to assemble themselves into a simple trap? What makes your faith better than anyone else's? Think before you speak.
DeEastSanJo 3 years ago
Exactly! Science, in it's own way, has become a religion. It explains a lot of things but does not explain the deepest fundamentals like how all of this began and yet science can come up with nothing creating everything and that's an intelligent theory.
The world is evident that there is a higher power. Things have happened to perfectly. It's absolutely insulting to say that all Christians believe blindly, we also look for proof and we find it. You're too blind to do the same.
VeggieTrunks 3 years ago
The amazing thing is that if we apply the "scientific method" that we all learned in grade school to the topic of creation, we have no choice but to conclude that the universe "was created".
But lies don't need to make sense do they? Yelling "There is no God!" at the top of your voice doesn't make His discernible handiwork just disappear. So get real.
Be an atheist if you want. Believe in pixie dust if you want. I can respect that.
But as for me and my house - we will serve the Lord.
DeEastSanJo 3 years ago
Go on then. Make a video response showing your application of the scientific method that demonstrates that the universe was "created". If it has merit then you will get appreciated.
thatgaybloke 3 years ago
No need to. Richard Dawkins makes a better case for creation than I ever could on "Ben Stein's Expelled". But that isn't my point. My point is that atheists' beliefs that we came from nothing are no more credible than is my faith in God. It is all faith. Doesn't matter how many atheists post videos on youtube, or how angry they are. Science has taught us that nothing comes from nothing, and something comes from something. I call that "something" God. Who's right? Someday we'll all know - yes?
DeEastSanJo 3 years ago
Your response is pretty much what I had expected. You evade the question rather than answer it. The accusation that science and religion are both just positions of faith is invalid. Science back up claims with evidence and prediction of behaviour of the world. Faith requires suspension of disbelief so that what we know to be true in the real world can be reconciled with dogma.
thatgaybloke 3 years ago
Science requires evidence to back up claims. The idea of faith - as I understand it - is that it requires belief without evidence.
You say that nothing comes from nothing, something comes from something - that is, in essence, conservation of matter and energy. Calling the rapidly expanding mass of matter and energy that forms our modern Universe "god" is just word play.
thatgaybloke 3 years ago
By most common understanding, "god" is an intelligence. A sentient mind that created the Universe with purpose. There is absolutely no evidence to back up that claim.
Will we all know someday? I think we won't. If I'm right, then neither of us will know because our death is the end of our consciousness. There will be nothing left of us to "know".
thatgaybloke 3 years ago
It's strange accusation to level at me (or atheists in general) to say that we're angry. I'm not the one advocating slaughter of people who have different beliefs or lifestyles from my own - all in the name and glory of God.
In any case, if having people dictate to me how I should live my life, people actively trying to harm me because I don't share their silly superstitions, then don't you think that, in these circumstances, a little anger is justified?
thatgaybloke 3 years ago
"The idea of faith - as I understand it - is that it requires belief without evidence."
Well, I understand faith differently. I exercise faith, or trust, when I acknowledge a being whom I could never begin to comprehend. But I don't feel a need to understand all about God. I only seek to understand what He expects of me.
DeEastSanJo 3 years ago
I did not evade your question. Dawkins is both a well-known atheist and a noted scientist. I thought perhaps you might respect his opinion. The bottom line is that creation itself is evidence of the Creator. And I haven't heard ONE credible explanation from ANYONE as to how matter came to exist from nothing. But you apparently have. So don't be coy - share it with us. How did everything there is come from nothing?
BTW, I assumed you were angry simply because you refer to yourself as such...
DeEastSanJo 3 years ago
I know. The child abuse thing makes my blood boil. Especially since Pope Ben, the man with the serial killer in his eyes (apologies to Kate), was instrumental in the hush-hush operation. His mealy mouthed "apology" was sickening. (Especially since he didn't apologise at all but said that American morality has to bear part of the burden. He is a contemptible shitbag.)
thatgaybloke 3 years ago
Great points.
I agree I try to live by "live and let live". I would have been quite happy to live my life quietly. But in America we have fundies who insist that America was founded as a Christian nation. The reason I joined YouTube was because the state of Indiana offered a In God we Trust license plate.
regarding sex education in America see
youtube. com/watch?v=81a1FdehBFY at 4:30
A4AgnstcFndmntlst 3 years ago
I think we'll never be able to argue the case if we keep calling it "marriage" as the religious will not be able to keep their religion-based ideas out of the argument. So I would argue the opposite: remove the term "marriage" from all legal terminology, and replace it with a secular term, whatever, even "civil partnership". So you want legal protection? Ok. Enter into a "civil partnership". It doesn't matter whether you're gay, straight or whatever (more...)
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Legally, then, the term "married" becomes meaningless. Want to call yourself "married"? Go right ahead. Want to pretend that that term actually *means* something? Go annoy your local god-botherer. And who can or cannot be "married" then becomes an internal nitpickfest for each religion to work out for itself. Fuck 'em. :P
rozeboosje 3 years ago
That solution also works for me. It's the discrimination (both ways, in fact) that generates my objection.
thatgaybloke 3 years ago
Exactly.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
i think this is an excelent idea and all partnerships should be required to do this in order to get protection under the law. screw the religous stuff. xtians love talking god but the divorce rate has got to be higher amongst beleivers than nonbeleivers. after all thier starting maried life on an added false premis to begin with. sory for jumping in just saw your coment and couldn't help myself.
ooglebydoogleby 3 years ago
Don't worry, thanks for replying :-)
rozeboosje 3 years ago
your welcome
ooglebydoogleby 3 years ago
Yeah. I should do a video on this subject again; I've had a few more ideas about this subject. I haven't quite worked them out yet.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
I look forward to them.
thatgaybloke 3 years ago
Well put, Although I am not gay and don't agree with it, I do agree with personal choice so If you want to get same sex marriage fine, thats not hurting anyone.
Just two matters I did want to touch on however.
Question, You have stated that there shouldn't be priest-criminal disclosure protection,on the same token, do you agree that there should't be patient-psychiatrist privilege either?
Second,With the amount of information readily available today the sex education argument is invalid
itssalgood 3 years ago
The question about patient-psychiatrist privilege? I don't know. Probably not. If someone with a mental illness has committed a crime - or intends to, then that is a legal issue.
I must insist that it is your rejection of my argument about sex education is invalid. By the same token there is plenty of evidence readily available today regarding the age of the Universe and evolution - neither of which seem to make a jot of difference to those who prefer to cling to their bronze age mythology.
thatgaybloke 3 years ago
Good video especially the closing statement.
Tridhos 3 years ago
Great response. You spelled it out very eloquently.
GoMetricToday 3 years ago
religion = intolerance= war
cozmikzen 3 years ago
The trouble is that the activists come out of the moderates and the moderates form a huge cushion protecting the advocates. I therefore am opposed to all religion. By that I mean the world will be a better place when everyone is sufficiently educated to see that religions are just children's stories, like Santa Claus except that the truth about the latter is (finally) admitted to children but former is not!
farvision 3 years ago
i agrea, what could be considered colective delusion should not have any special status or veto where pragmatism and rational should hold sway. nice video. the lunatics have been running the asylum for centuries. its time to remove religouse privaledge. ime not particularly angry at religeon but ime furious at religous stupidity and privaledge.
ooglebydoogleby 3 years ago
Something like 25% of the kids in the US have sexual diseases as a direct consequence of the religidiots. Support Planned Parenthood to fight this IDiocy!
farvision 3 years ago
The blasphemy laws are going to be repealed as of 8th of July this year, good news, eh?
WizardJim 3 years ago
Fantastic news. The UK might actually be moving out of the 19th Century after all.
thatgaybloke 3 years ago
marvelous
ooglebydoogleby 3 years ago
Even more marvellous is the news that there is uproar in the Anglican church over a minister who performed a religious marriage ceremony for two gay clergy.
I would be great to think we're seeing the beginning of the end as the Anglican church disintegrates.
thatgaybloke 3 years ago
i know what you mean but the only problem i see with that scenario is the reformation of splinter groups into even wierder versions of theism. every time a religeon splinters what is created is more often than not worse than what it came from. the up side i geus is that the resultant groups will have less power and little mandate.
ooglebydoogleby 3 years ago
This is a possible down side, but consider that one of the strengths of established religions is tradition. This somehow gives weight and validity to their claims. Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Branch Davidians are all regarded as much less "valid" than the Catholic and Anglican Churches.
Plus the resultant in fighting will further weaken them. This has to be a good thing.
thatgaybloke 3 years ago
ide like to see religous authority undermined. its a contradiction in terms anyway. i cringe every time they wheel out some mental vicar who says we should bend over backwards to acomadate more loony religeons. havn't we got enough self proclaimed authoriteis on stupidity without encouraging more.
ooglebydoogleby 3 years ago
you are a nut
TAXtheAtheist 3 years ago
Dammed Skippy. I get the "why do you care so much about religion" question thrown at me all the time which is strange as it's a fairly simple answer, if religion didn't infringe on my and other non-believers day to day lives, I wouldn't give a shit.
TheMilkEyedMender 3 years ago 6
Bullseye!
thatgaybloke 3 years ago
The only thing about civil partnerships that bother me is that het couples have started bitching about wanting the same rights that a civil partnership grants. Civil partnership is marraige in everything but name, if they want the same rights as a couple that civil partners have, why don't they just get married?
AmberNightwolf 3 years ago
It's the principle of discrimination that's the cause of the objection. It might seem petty that heterosexual people have the option to get married, but what if they want a civil partnership? Why should they be denied that just because of their sexual orientation.
The distinction is artificial and should be removed.
thatgaybloke 3 years ago
That was amazingly put. Few people could have said it better.
supersummersalts 3 years ago 2
"Respect my disrespect for you!" -religion
Itslvle 3 years ago 2