Ethanol on Modern Marvels

[randy95023]

People are starving in this world and we are using that beautiful Corn to burn in our cars?! My Grandfather and his brothers made Corn Liquor in the Ozarks 85 years ago. So long as there is one drop of OIL in the world we shouldn't be burning Corn in our cars. Old Technology and a tragic, and inefficient waste of FOOD...

If it made economic sense there would not be one dollar of "Government Money" involved!

[picaticatara]

now im sure they will fill up gas reservoirs with ethanol and the world will blow up

[leerman22]

Smuff out a fire by burning down another building and you have an illustration of ethanol.

[cshammontree]

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[1primacron]

@tadder21 Like I was saying dude, Hydrogen fuel will only be economical once fusion power is mastered. Fusion power would be the source of electricity to produce hydrogen, not fossil fuels. Fusion power does not give out pollution or toxic waste :).

[Bozewani]

Can you imagine drinking 290 proof alcohol?

I think that you can do some serious damage with that

[66catman]

I would rather pay $3 then $4 . enthanol is better for you and your car . what is ethanol you say ? corn whiskey . moon shine . but , gas is added or we would be drinking it .

[Rusty1220]

Ethanol is great fuel keeps money in US and creates jobs for farmers. As far as increasing food cost, that is not true. Cotton prices are at 150 year highs, gold at world record prices. Everything higher but prices are higher because of oil prices. Medical costs higher too.

[1primacron]

Hydrogen fuel is the way of the future, not this rubbish. once fusion power is mastered, we will have all the power we need to produce hydrogen and to supply the world with an unlimited supply of electricity. Bio fuels and fossil fuels will be a thing of the past. Best of all there will be NO pollution.

[antnotforwar]

They are not converting food into fuel, That's not the same kind of corn used for human consumption. Fuel prices and inflation are the main causes. Standard Oil was behind behind Prohibition, once everyone was totally oil dependent, alcohol was allowed once again. I think Exon/Mobil are behind a lot of this ethanol is causing high food cost propaganda. However, ethanol could be one of the reasons for high diesel prices and that causes higher food prices. This shit is very confusing....

[mohamedtheprophet1]

Food prices are going out of control because of government mandates for the use of this crap. Please do one thing: go to congress.org and put in your zip code than write your federal reps and ask them to Suspend ethanol and biodiesel mandates, all corn ethanol and biodiesel would than have to sell on it's merit not by force.

[ToRussian]

@mohamedtheprophet1

Don't stop the government from mandating the use of ethanol, just ask them to use sugar cane to produce ethanol, which is 6 times as efficient as corn-based ethanol. So if @pigs4islam wants to rant, he should actually learn about Ethanol, not instantly shoot it down because he watched the video without doing the research. Do the math, if it was sugar, which creates app 6 times the ethanol than corn.

[monsterrain1000]

@mohamedtheprophet1 I agree lets put country of origin labeling on our fuel, so as this country dwindles and dies because we no longer produce ANYTHING, we can blame you since you purchased fuel from those who support terrorists. Your reasoning is simply crap. If you had any sort of balls why would you buy over subsidiesed mideast crude that costs taxpayers 240 bil.year.

[wtfjaftw]

@mohamedtheprophet1 The food prices is going of control is because the lack of a free market in the financial industry! People are force to get their credit out of thin air from banksters who loan it out on interest! ANd since we have a populace that believes or is trick into that government welfare/warfare state that always gets them a quick high, but then you get the drawback of a bad economy.

[mohamedtheprophet1]

I believe there is a day coming when a coal fired plant will sequester the CO2 into compressed railcars, the cars will then be moved to desserts in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California and Nevada where vast pools of shallow water (pipelined in from the pacific) with the help of sunlight these ALGAE factories will help produce biodiesel and Ethanol. The person who puts this all together is out there, probably right now at recess. Forget food for fuel this is the real answer.

[monsterrain1000]

@mohamedtheprophet1 Or in an effort to save our rural economys we can just start making fuel out of ag residue instead of cattle feed. This would still save rural communities by pumping billions into small economies and providing a way for young people to stay in rural areas instead of moving to the big city to sell insurance or some BS city job. I would much rather raise my kids in a small town than on the streets in Detriot most would agree. This is alot bigger issue than food vs fuel.

[pigs4islam]

1 gallon equivalent of gasoline creates 1.3 gallons of CORN ethanol, but one gallon of ethanol only contains 66.6% the energy of gasoline so CORN ethanol creates a net energy loss. Ethanol is simply the biggest corporate welfare program ever seen.

[RatkoUSA]

@pigs4islam You are absolutely correct. Furthermore, use of ethanol is highly destructive to fuel systems.

[mmaaxx1198]

@RatkoUSA We should just drink it all, problem solved, you're welcome!

[monsterrain1000]

@RatkoUSA Sure it is, thats why the military uses it in aircrafts, and soon commercial airliners to follow.

[wtfjaftw]

@pigs4islam Why don't we just use hemp as fuel? It has the highest rate of energy per acre than any other plant. Not to mention no pesticides needed and creates rich soil so it's great for crop rotation. It's not corporate welfare it's a government-corporate monopoly!

[monsterrain1000]

@wtfjaftw. Miscanthus Gigantus as well as energy cane grown in southern florida not only out yields hemp but has a stronger Rhyzon and longer stand life. up to 20 years with little to no fertilizer. Hemp, is much more like horse hair, like Kenaf, harder to package harder to bale, much harder on harvest equipment.

[wtfjaftw]

@monsterrain1000 Fine, if it's better than hemp the free market would allow competition for all products!

[monsterrain1000]

@wtfjaftw There is no such thing a free market when competing against $240 billion/year oil subsidies. It costs $140 billion year just to keep our four shipping lanes to the middle east open. End all subsidies and Americans will embrace cheap homegrown fuel that farmers have been making for 35 years

[wtfjaftw]

@monsterrain1000 Uhhhhh exactly your point is? We want the same thing, if hemp wasn't regulated then banned outright we wouldn't be using oil like we would in a free market! RON PAUL 2012!

[monsterrain1000]

@wtfjaftw Why would any focus be put on a crop that is illegal to grow, tears equipment up, requires more fertilizer, and doesnt yield as much as cheaper superior options. I am just sick of potheads who dont know jack sh#t about biomass crops. Stop with the hemp already.

[wtfjaftw]

@monsterrain1000 Your one big asshole dude, you know that, and you are the one that doesn't don't know jack shit about the free markets, the superior product will always be chosen in the free market! So don't through rocks when you have a glass house! And I laugh you dont know the difference between cannabis and hemp LOL! Your calling me a pothead! And what do you know about growing industrial hemp? The government on the federal level specifically does not have the authority to ban hemp!

[monsterrain1000]

@wtfjaftw You obviously dont understand farm commodities. The free market has already chosen, nobody is looking at using your crappy weed which in fact is basically cannabis, surprise hemp is from the same family. BP is using Energy cane in Highlands co. florida, Repreve renewables is using Miscanthus, Poet is using corn cobs Iogen and shell are using wheat straw. Your way out of your pay grade here buddy. I have been studying and harvesting biomass for over 25 years. "free market" already chose

[wtfjaftw]

@monsterrain1000 Oh? So our founding fathers didn't understand farming commodities? Of course there from the same families! But are humans and apes the same species that do the same thing? That's bullshit studying biomass for years, and there is no free market in the US! Look at the drug laws! Look at the Federal Reserve! Look at the corporatist war over see's this is a few with big pockets ruling over the small we have socialism!

[monsterrain1000]

@wtfjaftw Pre 1970s our farm policy and commodities was totally different. So I am not even sure what you reference to our founding fathers has to do with anything. I have personally baled Kenaf, hemp, miscanthus, energy cane, switchgrass, rice and wheat straw, corn stalks and corn cobs in the past 30 years. I aint the expert on biomass crops but I can damn sure tell you what crops will succeed and what will fail. Hemp will fail. Good Luck with your cause though.

[wtfjaftw]

@monsterrain1000 LOL! Theres already been studies hemp produces more yield than soy, corn, sugar cane, and it reduces the problem is YOU CAN'T GROW IT! Get the government out of people's lives! Self-sovereignty people! Hemp has 10,000's of uses you cannot say it has no economical value. It was about to kick out oil because it was becoming a billion dollar crop! In the 1930s! That's why it started to be regulated. Hemp is basically cannabis, yeah right buddy! Wat the hell do you know!

[monsterrain1000]

@wtfjaftw You are a liar sir. I have personally harvested hemp myself in southern Manitoba. Hemp biomass in no way will compete with Miscanthus gigantus or energy cane on yield, fertilizer consumpsion, water needed, stand life, or rhysome strength, YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR LEAGUE ON THIS ONE. Hemp is a horrible crop to make fuel out of any way you slice it. Tell me the % of silica in hemp compared to Japanese switchgrass when it comes to producing biomass energy and then we can talk.Your clueless sir

[beeterolds]

@pigs4islam ya but do you know much petrol fuel is consumed to make your 1 gallon of gasoline?!? same difference..

[mohamedtheprophet1]

@beeterolds, think about it. If it took a gallon of gasoline to make a gallon of gasoline there would be no gasoline. Period.

[beeterolds]

@mohamedtheprophet1 so your saying gasoline magically comes out of the ground and to your nearest gas station? it costs fuel to pump oil out of the ground.. transport it.. refining it uses huge amounts of energy.. then transporting it for storage.. then again transporting to your fuel station... True Ethanol does require a lot of energy to make but its getting better with time.. when creating ethanol you are basically skipping a few steps required for petrol production..

[mondiesle]

@pigs4islam Comment brought to you by Exxon.....

[pigs4islam]

@mondiesle I work in the food industry and nothing, and I mean nothing has caused the rise in food prices like the corn ethanol mandates. You can take away the subsidies, the tax schemes and everything else but because of the federal mandates it would continue. What people need to do is go to congress.org put in your zip code and write your state and federal representatives and tell them in no uncertain terms to end the RFS (renewable fuel standards) and all ethanol/biodiesel mandates! 439

[monsterrain1000]

@pigs4islam I dont care if you work in the food industry, that just makes you an ignorant bus boy. Food prices raise with CRUDE OIL PRICES you dummy. food price increases are 10 times over effected by things like FUEL marketing and packaging, Farmers share of each dollar spent on food is only 11 cents. Again your showing your ignorance and hatred for hard working Americans.

[monsterrain1000]

@pigs4islam I run E30 in my 2005 vehicle and get BETTER MPG than unleaded. I dont know how accurate your numbers are but I know I get better mpg with it rather than without it.

[pigs4islam]

@monsterrain1000 If your'e getting better mileage using ethanol tainted blend than regular unleaded gas you my freind should quickly buy lottery tickets for you have beaten ALL the odds... .

[monsterrain1000]

@pigs4islam You are either a liar or just ignorant. We have been producing vehicles for a decade now that get BETTER MPG than running blends of E20 and E30 than unleaded. Also while saving up to 20 cents a gallon at the pump. I have personally ran E30 in my 2005 cadillac for over 120,000 miles. If you are truely concerned about your childrens future I advise you to stop spreading treasonous lies.

[pigs4islam]

@monsterrain1000 Do you hear the bell tolling? It tolls for you, you are a ethanol lobbyist for sure. When the next president reachesoffice the ethanol mandate is D.O.A. by the way GFY

[monsterrain1000]

@pigs4islam Ethanol is created with natural gas and biomass, explain where you get it takes 1 gallon of gasoline to create 1.3 gallons of ethanol.

[archmaille]

@pigs4islam There's a net energy loss for big ethanol producers, there's also a net energy loss for big gas producers. It is possible to get a net energy gain by doing it at home. Of course that gain you are experiencing is from the energy of the sun so would it be more efficient to just use solar panels and an electric car, or hybrid?

[havabighed]

CH3(CH2)6CH3 is a condensed molecular formula of octane.

[ExacavatoroftheWest]

Don't use food for fuel that's like putting a chicken, pork, and turkey meat in your car.

Corn is used in soda, bread, and as animal feed. Why raise the cost of animal feed and food ingredients?

Is it because they want to make poor people starve?

Sure as hell sounds like it to me.



[thegreatkoua]

I hope those truck run on ethanol

[DamianiWins]

Hemp is 5 times more efficient at producing ethanol than corn. That is a fact.

[havabighed]

ethanol still produces CO and CO2.... we should be using electric vehicles, and we could use the ethanol to produce electricity. When it burns we pump the CO2 produced through an algae bioreactor. Algae is protein and and oil consisting mostly of Omega 3 fatty acids. So if we mix algae with the corn feed, we could ensure that the animals get Omega 3 fatty acids in addition to the omega 6 and omega 9 fatty acids that are in the corn feed.

[thegreatkoua]

@havabighed really ethanol still produce co2. why people drink alcohol? we should all be dead by now.

[havabighed]

@thegreatkoua ethanol produces CO2 when combusted in the presence of O2(oxygen) which is plentiful in air. CH3CH2OH is the molecular formula of ethanol (C2H6O is the empirical formula).

[thegreatkoua]

@havabighed speak English what do that mean good or bad.

[havabighed]

@thegreatkoua CO2 is bad for the environment.... but not terrible.

The usage of ethanol for fuel is not good or bad, somewhere in between... but at the same time it is the lesser of two evils(meaning its better than petroleum).

[thegreatkoua]

@havabighed so that mean ethanol is better than gas. good enough for me.

[havabighed]

@thegreatkoua CH3CH2CH2CH2CH2CH2CH2CH3 is the molecular formula of Octane.

CH3CH2OH is the molecular formula of Ethanol.

The ratio of hydrogen to carbon is 3:1 in Ethanol.

The ratio of hydrogen to carbon is 9:4 in Octane.

Therefore the amount of energy output per carbon emission in Ethanol is higher than in Octane (more energy for less bad stuff)

However, the way in which these fuels could be improved if we used algae bioreactors to convert the CO2 into O2... eliminating all carbon.

[thegreatkoua]

@havabighed watch this video it proof that ethanol is the best = youtube.com/watch?v=WOAyoCo3xX­A&feature=player_embedded 

[havabighed]

@thegreatkoua its a very good visual explanation of what I just said.

[havabighed]

@thegreatkoua the problem is... in the fermentation of alcohol(ethanol) lots of carbon dioxide is emitted.... this problem can be corrected with the usage of algae bioreactors.... something that is in the works, to my knowledge.

[havabighed]

@thegreatkoua youtube.com/watch?v=EnOSnJJSP5­c <--- algae bioreactors... the gas from smokestacks contains carbon emissions... CO and CO2 just like the emission from fermentation.

[ThunderAppeal]

Hemp plants can be used to manufacture ethanol.

[dzgfdg]

@ThunderAppeal ok? and your point is to legalize marijuana? legalize hemp, not marijuana. hemp does not get you high

[dtacrew561]

@dzgfdg u fuckin peice of shit

[dzgfdg]

@dtacrew561 I bet you are one of those potheads that try to point out the benefits of legalizing marijuana. When someone throws out a statement that ruins you, what do you do? insult, vainly.

[xBeAGoodPersonx]

Corn ethanol only offers 30% lesser CO2 emissions when compared to gasoline. The goal of making ethanol is cleaner fuel. Therefore i think that cellulose ethanol is the better fuel. Cellulose ethanol reduces CO2 by 90 percent.

[deltaalpha21074]

What works better Corn or Beats??

[hiepkhach13]

I'm a student. I have an assignment about calculating and designing a BioEthanol Plant. Can anyone help me some document for simulating purpose fermentation process?

[renewable2001]

I am sorry that you did not include a Stabilizer in your 94 Chevy...ethanol or not, you should not store an older vehicle that long without putting something in the tank...boats are the same thing...i would never store mine for a winter without seaform...yes, ethanol does separate from gas and can cause problems for fuel lines IF you don't add a stabilizer.

[Bullettube]

Hmm, I wonder how many gallons of diesel was burned by all those trucks waiting in line? Ethanol is great, for newer cars and trucks. On My 94 Chevy P/up I've replaced fuel lines that rotted out from the inside because the truck sat for a year in the barn, unused. It's also bad to store boats with fuel in the tanks as the ethanol collects moisture and can rot the tanks from the inside out.

[iamd3rrick]

Cool stuff man, thanks for posting.