Iron body training

[finnurth]

cheekybastard29 has replied to your comment on Iron body training:

@finnurth Of course mate...but how do you know that I didnt. your unwanted advice is sound but you assume too much. Keep your opinions and your exclamation marks to yourself and not on my channel in future please. Iv already explained some of my training methods in my other posts. Please Read them. I have clips coming very soon on how I trained this.

[finnurth]

@finnurth This comment from you was lost somehow. Cheekybastard29, I was never questioning your training, I was just giving a humble advice to SlyRoogon to his question. I did not realize that people were not allowed to take part in the comments. Please feel free to remove my comments if I am out of line. I totally agree with you, a good teacher is a must. I personally graded last time with this Sensei, in his dojo: see /watch?v=a0JerGLU6GA

[Schrodingerscatnip]

this is great, and respect to you sir; but you can't strengthen your groin; solar plexus; throat; nose; eyes or temples.

[LtechEngineering]

how long did it take you to reach that level? And what did you start doing? I am curious as I have witnessed several methods that work, some faster than others

[billybee2911]

@cheekybastard29, I used to do pankration,and now I'm studying some Silat.. But I appreciate all martial arts,cheers my friend.

[SlyRoogon]

i do it for the 360 degree defence for krav maga

[SlyRoogon]

im 14 and i hit my forearms on a wooden plank as hard as i can consistently till my arms go red and blister telk me what i do wrong and how to strengthen them

[finnurth]

@SlyRoogon You should go way softer at it in the beginning. Do not hit so hard, hit with much lower force for the first few months! (not days or weeks). Gradually build up your tolerance without damaging your body at such a young age. Do not overdo it, take it as a 3 year project to achieve a level of conditioning that you can be proud of, but remember, as with all training, that you will then have to continue the practice on a regular basis if you don't want to loose it!

[cheekybastard29]

@finnurth i agree with Finnurth, but i would also say.. more than anything,.find a teacher who has achieved the result. good luck brother.

[ANGELSGYMSINGH]

awesome

[cheekybastard29]

Pitbull continued.. if this was painful it means that i would not be training properly and that im going too hard for my current level. Thanks for your question. have a good day and best of luck on your path to mastery. Will add however, that becuase i didnt feel any pain does not mean that the feeling in my arms is gone. my arms are very sensitive. I need them to be for push hands and talking hands practise. the internal way does not damage the body.

[pacificpitbull]

Genuine honest question...do you feel pain after that?

[cheekybastard29]

@pacificpitbull Hi Pacificpitbull. I remember my taekwondo teacher many years ago tell me that the point to striking hard objects was to not be bothered by the pain even though you feel it. That comment shows me, now years later, that due to the training methods he was practising he was not developing iron body. I didnt feel pain doing this. the whole point of doing iron body is too toughen the tissues so the force doesnt go into your body. If this was painful i wouldnt have done it.

[BeAGoD2009]

Nice dude, well done.

[billybee2911]

nice conditioning,keep it up. Some don't realize the work it takes to strengthen your bones. Ignore the crap comments.

[cheekybastard29]

@billybee2911 cheers mate. what training do you do?

[cheekybastard29]

@billybee2911 thanks mate i appreciate the compliments. I ignored stupid comments for years but decided some people talk out of there ass and needed to be told. :). besides I really enjoy outwitting meatheads these days. lol

[damafiafz]

the tree was like WTF !!! IS THAT TSUNAMI AGAIN ?????

[cheekybastard29]

@damafiafz lol. cheers

[marknew91]

Awesome! Awe Some. Just great.

[cheekybastard29]

@marknew91 Thanks mate.

[rickdono64]

WTF ???

[fugoung1]

man that was fun sorry to put sm bullshit on your page chris, i just wanted to see if hes still going for gold. now theres a 1 & 3, obviously hasnt heard of tantric yet

[cheekybastard29]

@fugoung1 nice too see you on here bro. i see you have discovered the most primative ape on this planet..in the form of thehomefront. he's fun to manipulate, very basic in his use of language and way of life..it seems.Not refined at all. he does not get that he is cause of his own suffering. your right about his ego. he tries very hard to avoid others seeing his weakness.yet its so obvious. I get the impression that any words with greater than 3 syllables go over his head though. have fun!

[fugoung1]

@cheekybastard29 hahaha man check out my page ! nothing there except thehomefronts useuall coment yeah f@#$% your mum. funny tho check out his coments, thats all he actually does on this is go around trying to berate goung fu. i wonder if he nos we have bin banned from compeating in all that sport stuff. oh well let the common people (cannon fodder) be exactly that. hahaha send in operation black shield lol.

[fugoung1]

@fugoung1 ohhhh and hes got restrictions on comments on his page how cute !!! can dish it out but cant take it.

[thehomefront]

@fugoung1 i showed this clip to all the guys at my mma school, they couldnt stop laughing, they all think he's a right prick,even the woman at our school think he's a thick bastard. thats it chris,you keep hitting that pole with your forarms and one day your be able to stick up for your self, what a cunt you are.

[Mrbayer04LeverkusenX]

respect



[cheekybastard29]

@Mrbayer04LeverkusenX

thanks mate. This only a demo though. The training methods i used to do this are a little different...and alot more boring to watch. lol

[thehomefront]

what a fucking idiot, this guy as no power what so ever, i would knock him him the fuck out,you cant build muscles on you chin. wing chun is shit, i should know, i train in it for five years until i relised how useless it is in a real fight, thats why you dont see wing chun style of fighting in an mma cage fight, it just doesn't work. since i started mma i am a much, much complete fighter with lots of confidence. all you idiots who do wing chun need to go to an mma gym and see if it works.

[cheekybastard29]

@thehomefront,Why are you wasting this planets good oxygen supply?Its been awhile since iv come across someone from the dark ages.I wonder what your caveman tribes people would call you?Actually they probably wouldnt call you asyou could offer no intelligence to any conversation I forgive you for your lack of wit, intelligence, grace and all round lack of humanity.I can tell from your message that these qualities are what your friends would know you best for.and why they never answer your calls

[thehomefront]

@cheekybastard29 your the one smashing your arms and legs against a pole and you call me the idiot, lol. what are you trying to prove, are you trying to impress people with your stupidity,or are you trying to scare people. sounds like you've been bullied your hole life, no wonder girls think your a right prick.

[cheekybastard29]

@thehomefront .Nope never been bullied. wrong there cobber.Actually your wrong on all counts. Your comments are so thoughtless. I can tell so easily that you arent too intelligent. Your profanity says volumes about your character. Your the wrong kind of person to be involved in martial arts. Your 38 right? Im amazed that in 38 years this is all the character you have. A man only swears becuase he lacks the vocabulary to adequately express what he is feeling.

[thehomefront]

@cheekybastard29 dont you think that smashing your bones against hard objects is a little from the dark ages, i would beat you up and then fuck your mother.

[cheekybastard29]

@thehomefront heh heh..then 4 hours later you relied again... you must have been stewing on that one.lol.Its amazing how you dont even see the ironity of your own comment.Here's a hint for you.when you try to berate someone, especially someone you dont know,dont accuse them of something while at the same time demonstrate that exact quality.i.e you accused me of being from the dark ages(reusage of my concept..shows minimal creativity) and then state that you'll beat me up and fuck my mum.charming

[fugoung1]

come and meet him, funny when you realise his forearms and chest are nearly 1ft thick, & one of the highest martial intelects you can offer. think the ? here should be why are you a fucking pussie this is one of the most common iron shield techs out there. or havent you actually looked. and sorry mma fighters wont let us rip a testicle off or put a thumb thru a eye or a shot at the top of the spinal collum or jugular. you guys need a real big reality check. mma is sport not reality

[thehomefront]

@fugoung1 ha ha god your a thick cunt, i'd smash the face to bits and your boyfriend chris,your both a pair of cunts.i cant say nothing about your mum tho,shes a very decent whore,she loves it up the ass and loves to swallow, sometimes i make your wanker of a father watch and then slap the both of them about for being dirty inbreds.

if you have a girlfriend,which i very much doubt i'd like her number so i can show her things that you would never be able to show her.

[cheekybastard29]

@thehomefront I can tell from the samness of all your messages that you are a very stupid fighter. You are always using the same type of come back. This shows me and fugoung that your tactics in combat are very one dimensional.I honestly dont think you have any other way of engaging in battle.You would be a very easy opponent to defeat.you are stupid and worst of all..for you....you are reactive.you are a pawn in my game. I could have very easily had your account closed a long time ago.

[thehomefront]

@cheekybastard29 you have no idea how stupid you look in this video, you can smash your arms and legs against polls until the cows come home but your not going to build muscle on your ugly face,also all you kung fu wankers have know defence,you leave yourself wide open, i would love you to come and train at my gym,but i doubt they would let you in,youve got an attitude problem and you look like a cunt, i'd put my last penny on you not having a girlfriend. you must of got picked on at school.

[mellyw1985]

What did the pole ever do 2 u Chris?!

[cheekybastard29]

@mellyw1985 hey Mel. Hows Physio going??

[Foyepolomi]

très nice!

[cheekybastard29]

@Foyepolomi thanks mate. I love all the Hun yuan tai chi clips you have put up. thanks for promoting such a powerful system.

[toishanma]

cheekybastard29,

nice to meet you and thx for sharing your experience with this clip.

To further my training, may I kno at what angle or which area my forearm should hit the object/ or the training partner's forearm.

thank you very much for your teaching.

[cheekybastard29]

@toishanma thanks for your comment. There are three main bridgeing arm techniques im using. 1.low bridge. im hitting on the anterior aspect of the forearm and a little towards the thumb side. 2. high bridge: supinate the forearm as much as possbile and then hit with the muscle on the posterior forearm. 3. underhand low bridge: extend the wrist and internally rotate the arm and strike with the muscle laying over the ulnar. hope that helps.

best of luck in your training.

[toishanma]

@cheekybastard29

many thx 4your infos that helps, and would it be necessary to use

some Dit Da Wine as people tell me, and what's better???

[cheekybastard29]

@toishanma

your welcome, Im glad you got something from my clip. I personally dont use dit da. i aim to use another person when im doing this kind of training due to the feeling that you get from another person is more springy and lifelike than when using an inaminate object. I only use this kind of training when i dont have anyone to practise with.If you do use a pole, i recommend finding one that has alot of give in it (moves when you strike it) or a thin tree they bends alot when you hit it

[cheekybastard29]

@toishanma

continued. I also dont use dit da because i use chi gong to redistrubute the blood and chi throughout the body after training. Also, I built up to this clip with years of pai da training and xing yi quan solo training and push hands. then i spent 3 days per week for 3 weeks, 10 mins a session striking this pole. I dont usually train like i did in the clip. this is only a demonstration. I always begin with fairly gentle strikes and gradually build up momentum as the tissues.

[cheekybastard29]

@thehomefront funny, you replied..poorly to my observation once...and then replied again only seconds later.. with a mindless anger fuelled insult....i must have really hit a nerve.

[cheekybastard29]

@toishanma

continued.. as the tissues adapt to the exercise. this should be built up very gradually. connective tissues and bone toughen when they are subjected to frequent conditioning. the way i normally train with the pole is similar to mike martello's post (2004 basic conditioning practise taiwan). the problems with striking to hard are.1.thrombosis (blood clots in the veins and arteries/can kill you), 2 nerve damage=numbness in forearms and hands. 3 infection from pole/tree if skin breaks

[cheekybastard29]

@thehomefront heh heh...and again.. your funny. lol

[thehomefront]

@cheekybastard29 like i said before,go to an mma gym and see how effective your stupid fighting art is, you would be knocked out in seconds, you are making your self look like a right cunt by showing this stupid immature video, why would anyone want to show a video of them selfs smashing their arms against a pole,your pathetic, do you really think people are going to show you respect for this? and yes i will still fuck your mum infront of you.

[cheekybastard29]

@thehomefront LOL!!!!

[evaniskandar]

@thehomefront hey asshole u talk like shit, born that way ?

[thehomefront]

@evaniskandar why have you got little slit eyes?

[fugoung1]

@thehomefront once again thumb thru the eye grab testicle rip or pop !!! please tackle me please do !!! fucking mma wankers and you dont even have full systems of fighting you no what you sound like mate is ego ego ego ego ego ego ego ego ego ego ego ego ego ego ego ego ego ego ego at least chris has the balls to expand from his known self but you wouldnt have a clue what that means would you

[MiKovers]

looks like wing chun.....

[sugarisgood4me]

@MiKovers you need to research more.

[MightySunTzu]

i can do the same thing just not with the legs, omg, i hate working on the legs, i always hit wrong and bruise the bone.

[sugarisgood4me]

@MightySunTzu show me..

[MightySunTzu]

@sugarisgood4me leg bruises? or what?

[HeartOfAllThings]

Are you fucking kidding me O_O

[captaindrywall]

next time learn some skill

[sugarisgood4me]

@captaindrywall show me your skills then puppetmaster.

[TianWuJie]

poor bastard ..... hope you'v got good conditioning medicine mate .

[farbeyondfear]

finally someone who hardens the way, I do.

Nice, man.

[ShorinRyuRonin]

The arms are suppose to hit witht the bone to build not the soft part, your not building anything hitting the soft part of your arms, no matter how hard you hit or make the pole sound loud.

[sugarisgoo4me]

Hit with the bone ay...do you know anything about internal martial arts?? say hello to your arthritis in the morning for me anyway buddy. :)

[ShorinRyuRonin]

@sugarisgoo4me, Yes you strike with the bone & when you have trained for so long doing this & getting use to the pain to a point where you dont feel it any longer, Arthiritis is nothing.

So unless you have trained as long as I have and put your body through the same, you have little or no clue what you are talking about.

Thanks for playing though.

[sugarisgoo4me]

@ShorinRyuRonin, playing is fun...let me test your knowledge...what are the pro's and con's of having an arm that no longer feels when it strikes??. im very curious to see your answers. this is all opinion eh?

good luck

[ShorinRyuRonin]

@sugarisgoo4me, If you have no feeling when you strike something I would say go see a doctor, that is not a good sign. Everyone I have known in martial arts no matter how strong & how much blood clot they have built on their arms still have feelings and can feel.

[sugarisgoo4me]

@ShorinRyuRonin. at least you know to go see a doctor. 10/10 for that one. you do know that a blood clott is a haematoma dont you?> moving haematomas get stuck in the lungs and decreases V/Q matching...this means you cant breath and without warfrin, you can die...so you still havent addressed my question properly...what are the pros and cons of an arm that no longer feels when it strikes?

[sugarisgoo4me]

continued.... It seems you know little of the internal methods of iron body training. thats fine if all you use is an external method of iron body training. that would explain why you dont seem understand that the first priority in internal training is to build health, not to damage the body. a numb arm= poor health. an arthritis ridden arm is a result of unenlightened training in internal martial arts circles. hence, the reason why the bones should not directly hit the pole/bag etc.

[ShorinRyuRonin]

@sugarisgoo4me, I answered your question correctly & that is what you need to know if you have no feeling. Studing Tai Chi & Martial Arts for over two decades I fully understand & know what the difference between internal & external power is & how it works thank you. HAHA, it is you that needs to learn what you are talking about, striking or blocking is always with the snap on the bone, please no more foolish responses.

[ShorinRyuRonin]

@sugarisgoo4me, I had no intention to say blod clot, not sure why I said that.

Any constant, repetitive type of pressure on your bones will make them grow stronger. As you get brused & swealing dries up on the bones it creates a coating on your bones & you are pushing the nerves to move to the side of the bone, also calcium deposits form; like an adaptation, to the strain your putting on the bones. Bone becomes denser & stronger as you pound on them.

[timoxe]

Interesting, but one question, what was wrong with the tree in the back ground??? I have not started on trees yet but have many at my disposal when I'm doing altitude training....peace

[kostadanaos]

ha ha ha what a load of shit lol

[sugarisgoo4me]

close your mouth baboon....nothing constructive comes out of it.

hows the knitting class??

[RikuIshmaru]

well, you are great for a wing chun dummy... but can you match up to the speed of a real opponent?

[sugarisgoo4me]

sure when do you want to teaste my fist ??

[Twiggel]

just beating up an innocent pole...are you proud now?? :D

[sugarisgoo4me]

making an faceless comment twiggel. how old are you?? 14??

Here's one of my own

tell your mum to stop calling me. Im not interested.

[GOG777]

I hear-by declare this video to be pretty cool.

[VBH8888]

hes not fighting it hes doing light bone conditioning so go back to watching ufc or cause u did 2-3 years martial arts and think you know everything. proud son of a shihan and 16 years exp

[XXXDENIZZZ]

yeah the pool don;t fight back <.< but what if the pole fights back <.< u can;t beat the pole its petal XD

[schopper32]

This is true. In first aid you learn that applying heat causes vasodiolation, which increases swelling. Swelling= bad.

[sparticusx1]

cool but the pole doesnt fight back.

[sugarisgoo4me]

Good comment retardo, state the obvious next time why dont you.... This guy definitely has some skill. I think if you knew what the purpose of what he is doing you would take that comment back. Go back to your knitting class mate. who else agrees???

pole doesnt fight back...derr!

[reg32123]

the purpose of iron body training is to toughen up the body.

to make the body able to absorb more and stronger blows.

its not actual fighting training.

[falsepride]

That was awesome! Blitkrieg speed!

[wildstuff1]

Ladys N Geantelmen presenting the imposters of Yang mian System and its actually called steel body training.

P.S. Master charges les than these Possers!!!!

[SeijiiNakamaru]

The traditional way is called iron body - At the time of it's creation, steel did not exist.

Also, you spelled Gentlemen wrong :p

Besides all that, does it matter? It's just a name for one; and the guy has some skill.

[hunggarguy]

i beleive u should start out hittin the muscle and then slowly allow the force to shock ur bones. then slowly move into the bone hitting. oh ya and plenty of dit da jow.

[ilyearer]

definitely plenty of jow.

[Rblett]

Okay, that kind of makes sense. I never did it that way--I just slowly and patiently worked my bones directly, but I can understand that method. As far as jow goes, I wouldn't rely on it. If your bones will heal well without it, I wouldn't bother with it. After iron body practice, I always ice the areas of impact for a while, clean them thoroughly, and THEN, if I think it's necessary, apply jow. It's not good to be dependent on any substance.

[EmptyTheMind]

I would suggest not using ice, it causes the blood vessels to contract, it is better to keep the Bruise/recently conditioned area warm and to massage the area to maximise blood flow(the more blood that moves the easier it will heal) also using the chinese medicine,it's not being dependent, it's being more efficient,

[Rblett]

As I understand it, it is important to stop the flow of blood in order to allow the blood to coagulate, so that bruising and swelling do not occur. That is why injuries are always iced first and then warmed. I don't think you will find a single medical expert to tell you to keep an injury warm.

[Rblett]

I should probably point out, in case people take my posts as advice instead of my own preferences, that dit da jow is great wonderful stuff as long as you apply it correctly. It is VERY useful and has saved me a good deal of agony on many occasions. It is my PERSONAL preference not to waste my jow unless I REALLY think I need it (to prevent compounding injuries)

[MrDoodleyou]

wad Rblett said is true, applying ice helps better, and as a train first aider i would advise u to use ice instead, a bruise is cased by a blunt impact which leads to an internal bleeding, if u use a warm pack, the bruise will worsen, like u've said, ice is suppose to contract the vessels around the bruise so that massive bruises dun appear..

study first aid b4 u open ur gap.

[Rblett]

What do you mean you should not hit the bone directly? Is it not the point to slowly strengthen your bones?

[Ensureqwerty]

I was under the impression the only way to strengthen you bones was to actually break them, after which point the calcium rebuild creates a stronger bone... Simply hitting the bone doesn't really do anything unless you create fractures...

I think the iron body techniques fortify the skin, muscle, etc...

Correct me if I'm wrong..

[Rblett]

Well, not "break" them, but make small fissures in them. Hitting them w/o fracturing them DOES do something. You want to slightly bruise them, and the stronger they get, the harder you hit them. Just like muscles, bones get stronger in response to increased stress. When you do iron body training, you are bruising your bones, and allowing them to rebuild themselves with marrow tissue and calcium, making them thicker and more resilient.

[ilyearer]

and one of the reasons to start out slowly in terms of force is to prevent deadening of the nerves?

Deadening of the nerves may sound like a good idea in the short term of being able to resist pain in a fight, but has many detrimental long term effects. from what I hear.

[Rblett]

Actually, the "deadening of the nerves" business is a total myth. That's just not how your body works. The reason one starts out softly and slowly is to prevent breaking your arm, and having that calcify. You just want to slowly force your bones to increase in density. In the end, it is not your nerves which deaden, but your muscle tensing reaction, bone density, and pain tolerance. You are just able to understand and take the hits. The nerves do not die.

[Rblett]

What you do NOT want is large uneven chunks of calcified bone, because that will cause problems later on in life, especially around the joints.

[ilyearer]

I thought that muay thai fighters would spend hours kicking banana trees for the purpose of deadening the nerves. I'm pretty sure deadening nerves is not a myth since it's simply damaging the nerve endings in the skin (maybe the ones just for pain, but also the ones for sensing heat, cold and pressure).

[Rblett]

It's toughening the skin, not deadening the nerves. When we do iron body training, we use objects of different consistencies like wood, concrete, metal, and bean-filled bags. Banana trees are good for kicking and hitting because while they are tough, the trunk has a little bit of give. I know several people who have done iron body their whole lives, including my sifu, and they can all still feel the slightest breeze over their skin.

[Rblett]

I am sure there are ways to kill your nerves, but the point of iron body conditioning is not to do that. As long as you keep the blood in your body circulating, the temporary damage your do to your limbs will heal, just like your bones do. That is the purpose of slapping your arms and legs to get the blood circulating and dit da jow also helps circulate the blood. Iron body conditioning should not result in dead nerves.

[ilyearer]

oh, i know that Iron body isn't supposed to kill nerves. I was asking if one of the benefits of starting out much more moderately than full force was to prevent such killing of nerves. Both of my sifus have done plenty of iron body training and they don't have nerve damage.

[Rblett]

Oh oh oh, sorry I misinterpreted. Yea, you want to do it in a fashion that gives your body time to heal itself, otherwise you are only compounding an injury.

[sugarisgood4me]

great clip mate! thanks for posting.

[tiktak74]

Awesome style Chris

[shinji2912]

as long as u do this everyday u will acheve it!

[jangear]

Why doesn't he simply use a wooden dummy then vandalize a public street light?...lol

[mattmastery]

Awesome stuff chris...

I hope you use some dit da jiao ointment!

haha

looking forward to train with you chris!

-=MM=-

[thehomefront]

@mattmastery why would you want to train with this cunt?

[cheekybastard29]

@thehomefront hey psycho, seems like your back from your drug induced stupor. Did you get choked out again last night, and the night before that at mma training? I bet you get beatin up in your training sessions...alot. how many concussions have you sustained in your 38 yrs?? you should put up a clip of your training so we can all see how pathetic you in flesh and blood. Your mouth seems to dribble diarreha constantly...im positive you have no backbone either...I dare you. put something up.

[thehomefront]

@cheekybastard29 poles dont hit back, i do.

[cheekybastard29]

@thehomefront. Your comment once again is unintelligent....Do you think this clip is about fighting a pole?? are you totally stupid?? did you even read the info about the clip? This is body conditioning for chinese martial arts. its used when a training partner is not around...and you hit back? really. go you. you must be really tough. High five to your manliness.

[silatyogi]

Good stuff.

[DragonQiaoDan]

Excellent Work man......

& Thanx for your Comment.......it looks like we have similiar styles because I have done this kind of Training the exact way you do it...... Your Jing is very well timed.......

[4212ETD]

Your Quote:[Forearm and body conditioning for Chinese martial arts. This training is best practised with a training partner, however hitting a stationary object lightly at first and gradually building up to a more powerful strike can condition the striking weapons when a partner is not available. Correct placement of the limb is important when doing these exercises and the pole should not be hit directly with bone.]

Thanks for the info, because I would have started hitting it hard.