"Net Neutrality Is What We ALL Already Have!" Senator Al Franken pt.2

[IsaacKarjala]

$5 says that the new regs will make it more difficult for upstarts to come in....... the only real, lasting solution to this problem will be to take control of infrastructure at a grass-roots level and use encryption technologies that make it impossible or difficult to censor specific speech, speakers or listeners.

[Jack194343]

The virtue of checks and balances of power is that it prohits any entity from creating a monopoly that then has the power to abuse and scam the public. If we eliminate the gov, we will have no check on the abuses of corporations. We need to regulate business the same as we need to regulate automobile traffic. If we don't the public will be helpless against corporate misbehavior. Small gov is not a good idea.

[chewycandy666]

Can we pass some regulation that is firmly constitutional? Like get rid of illegal check points all around the nation. How about TSA? How about prosecuting all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC, such as the ATF,FBI,DEA,CIA for drug smuggling and gun running?How about getting rid of the FEMA camps or FEMA in general?How about discuss the impeachment of a corrupt president? Firing Holder and Napolitano for perjury to congress?How about reinstate Glass Steagul?Can we just get back to freedom?Peace.

[IsaacKarjala]

@chewycandy666 you wouldn't need Glass Steagul if they'd of just let the banks fail or if all the people complaining about the banks getting bailed outs would instead transfer all their loans and accounts to a bank/credit union that didn't recieve a bail out....... but no, apparently not as many people where complaining as it seemed or the vast majority of people are so blantantly retarded that it's a surprise they ever managed to navigate their way out of their mothers womb.

[BottleConcreteBlond]

Franken!  One of the few Senator's not completely bought by corporations.

[uche007us]

@BottleConcreteBlond "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."

The sad thing is that people like you get to affect me and my children's future. I am sure you will say the same about me so lets all strive for a more limited govt so me and my votes has the littlest effect on you and yours. The man just read a report from JP Morgan and Goldman's sach to make his point. Goldman's sach is the bank that helped Greece hide its debts in order to join the euro

[FlowerClown]

Like Ma'Bell we got the ill communication. Break them up.

[luckyglasspig]

Openness and freedom on the internet.. The internet isn't the government. You have a freedom of speech when it comes to the government. You do not however have such freedoms in the private sector. That is why we have slander and you can be sued for it. Private companies own , run and pay for the servers that host the websites. You want free speech. BUY YOUR OWN DAMN SERVER AND RUN IT YOURSELF.

[luckyglasspig]

This isn't about the consumer. This is about companies like netflix and hulu not wanting to pay more for the simple fact that their services put a drain on the networks. They spin this by saying that its about the consumer.

[lestliness]

@luckyglasspig If you ever tried building a new company every last penny you raise goes straight to making your business work. Now in the case of netflix imagine if they had to go and pay every ISP out there to make their product accessible. They wouldn't have any money left for innovation and it would cost too much to run and bad for the consumer. Today somebody out there is building a better a product than netflix... if you change the rules on them.. then how will they compete?

[dragonflychainsaw]

i think it all falls under free speech that's it start to finish

[IronRangeSurvival]

READ IT...it's "INTERNET2"...and will work with "Cloud Based" systems and "M.A.N.S."

[IronRangeSurvival]

Franken is a complicit - globalist puppet P.O.S.

[IronRangeSurvival]

Ever heard of M.A.N.S. system???? How about "CLOUD BASED INTERNET"??

[rumpole33]

I think some of u are confused. Right now, isp/cable corp.s are trying to control what their customers are viewing & how they are viewing it & at what speed. The corp.s want website corp.s to pay them more $ if they want visitors to upload their sites as easily as we see them now. If those websites don't pay up, then they will be punished by the isp/cable corp.s. Also, it could give isp/cable corp.s more control to censor which sites you are allowed to visit.

[rumpole33]

So net neutrality is to keep things with as much freedomas we have now. Without net neutrality, the corporations are going to be in complete control customers & websites.

[27thedirector]

Dont believe this man. If GOVT gets ahold of the internet then the CORPS will then use the GOVT to squash their competitors and also put the limitation they want on to use The People.  If the corps keep doing this then smaller internet companies will rise and take out the bigger ones. Bigger GOVT is never the answer...also it works like this cause the CORPS pay the politicians salaries...OH THE IRONY!!

[jmjfanss]

@27thedirector

You tell em.

[ReignbowSmite]

@27thedirector How can government get a hold of the internet, by saying "Corporations, you can't do what you want to other people's speeds on the internet".

That's not giving the government any power over the internet.

This bill is not a bill to ALLOW anything. It's a bill to PREVENT corporations from: ALL UR BASE R BELONG 2 US.

[jmjfanss]

@ReignbowSmite

Really? Think again you radical leftist.

[ReignbowSmite]

@jmjfanss Don't disenfranchise me of my opinion by using demonizing word fuckery. I haven't stated a political fucking position in here. I have simply stated facts.

I have no vested interested in any decision made here because I'm not American. I read the bill... and it's fucking clear to me that MOST of the people commenting in here have no fucking clue what the bill actually says. US v.s them mentality.. fuck off brownshirt.

[jmjfanss]

@ReignbowSmite

No wonder IronRangeSurvival is more patriotic then you, fucker!

[ReignbowSmite]

@jmjfanss Patriotism implies superiority. I'm a humanist, I don't believe in superiority.

Do you have a point? or are you just content flinging your own excrement like a cousin that fell out of the evolutionary tree?

[jmjfanss]

@ReignbowSmite

I Do have a point asshole!

[IronRangeSurvival]

@ReignbowSmite The U.S. CORPORAITON-14th amendment, D.C....is the majority share holder of the crony-global-FORTUNE500.

It is over 180,000 fake "gov/fund/dept" CAFR reporting, DUN&BRAD STREET rated, CORPORATIONS. It' is UCC, IMF-fed reserve, and ADMIRALTY LAW.

The IMF took control of the U.S. CORPORATION with it's "debt reorganization" due to it's bankruptcy.

SO, you don't know wtf your talking about.

[ReignbowSmite]

@IronRangeSurvival if you think I don't think you're the same person as the person who mentioned you in this thread, you're a fucking moron.

1) I've never heard of either of you or seen you commenting.

2) The one person referred to you to me. "No wonder IronRangeSurvival is more patriotic then you, fucker!"

3) You reply to me and you're STILL stupid.

Fucking hell.. you paultards have mental illnesses. You're all little Jared Loughner's in the making.

"Sieg Heil‎! Sieg Heil‎! Sieg Heil‎!"

[ReignbowSmite]

@ReignbowSmite You're either in a buttfuck daisy chain with your boyfriends, or you are the same moron.

[IronRangeSurvival]

@ReignbowSmite What's wrong...don't have any FACTS to share...that actual relates to the truth about this "net nuetrality" SCAM?

[ReignbowSmite]

@IronRangeSurvival Illiterate moron.

[lestliness]

@27thedirector This policy doesn't put gov in control of the net. I'm anti big government myself but there are things that you and I like..you and I like free speech, you and I like to drive on roads maintained by the gov... which is the analogy.. imagine that GM owned the roads and said if you want to drive on them you must own a GM. Kind of the same thing with net neutrality.. it says one very simple thing...ISPS may not discriminate between different kinds of content and applications online.

[27thedirector]

@lestliness if they dont come in and control of the internet how will they enforce this bill??

[lestliness]

@27thedirector The same way many other laws are enforced. You file a complaint. BitTorrent did it... they proved that comcast was throttling their traffic they complained to the FCC and the FCC slapped Comcast... Unfortunately, an appeals court overturned the the FCC's orders... Even though I'm all for this new law.. it stil doesn't go far enough. Camcast can still block BitTorrent under the guise of "General Maintenance".. but it's still better than nothing.

[nwopuppet]

In a free market we would have more than 1-2 isp service providers to choose from. If this was really an open market we wouldn't need the government controlled FCC to regulate anything. If you didn't like the service of "xyz" you just switch to "abc" and the people would decide if they wanted a closed internet provider or not. I don't trust anything a politician says, regardless of who it is. Keep the internet the way it is, don't just say it!

[lestliness]

Wow people are so cynical that even when the government is actually doing something right they conclude that it must be bad.

I have disdain for the government too.. but that being said... this is one of those times that they are doing something right in terms of net neutrality..

Did you know there's government regulation that says the phone company can't decide to drop your calls because they don't like you?

Don't you like this regulation? Net Neutrality is the same damn thing!!!!

[27thedirector]

@lestliness but dont you think if a company was dropping calls on purpose people would still flock to them for business? NO, they would find another company to use. This is the essence of a free market. If a company is doing something wrong people will look for other options and avenues. We dont need the govt to come in and save us all the time. And if the next company was doing the same thing, soon someone would make a company that worked and the others would have to conform

[lestliness]

@27thedirector . most people don't have many choices in terms of ISPs... so competition is scarce and at this point I don't think a third party ISP is going to grow up and compete at this level... a lot of start ups operate on a shoe string budget as it is and for example if you want to be the next youTube your bandwidth costs are already through the nose... now you have to go and grab a list and pay ALL the ISPs to push your content through so you can compete.. not ideal.

[uche007us]

@lestliness you are correct, people are so cynical so if govt wants to cure their cynicism, let them start with something already broken like the war on drug and fix it for all to see, then wait a few more years before touching good system like the internet.

[lestliness]

@uche007us But the point is they are NOT touching it.. it's a policy that says one thing and one thing only...Internet service providers may not discriminate between different kinds of content and applications online..

That's it!! Nothing more... it's not regulation.

[IronRangeSurvival]

@lestliness The U.S. CORPORATION-D.C. owns the majority of the crony-global-FORTUNE500...and it doesn't do anything for We the People..it's not profitable, like feeding it's "corporations".

U.S. CORPORATION - 14th amendment , D.C. Legislative Act Feb 21 1871 41 st Congress

Chapter 62 Page 419....creation of the UNITED STATES...AKA- UNITED STATES INCORPORATED.

It is argued that it was never "ratified".

Debt Reorganization Plan..# 26, 1950, title 5, U.S. CODE, section 903...put the IMF in charge

[lestliness]

@IronRangeSurvival I've seen this before and I'm never sure what to make it of it.... but if true then there is even more reason to stop the republicans from fulfilling the prophecy. If they succedd in destroying net neutrality then it's just a little more proof is it not? Remember net neutrality is not the invention of government.. neither is free speech.... but both need to be protected.

[IronRangeSurvival]

@lestliness So, Franken is RepubliCON?..."net neutrality" = INTERNET2 started with this admin, not Bush and Co's criminal reign....

kinda like NAFTA and the ATF "FAST&FURIOUS" agenda's....get it now?

[lestliness]

@IronRangeSurvival Did I say he's a republican?... who loves NAFTA, the ATF etc?? Corporations.. since NAFTA came into effect corporations have made billions while the average wage earner pay has remained stagnant. So who want's to destroy net neutrality? AT&T.. comcast etc... this is why the republicans are hot to kill it.

[uche007us]

@lestliness "That's it!! Nothing more... it's not regulation."

And for this to happen, you will need a department, people, budget, rules and penalty for rule breakers. All these things are too much for a smooth running operation like the internet.

How about we just start with more important fixes before we do anything or say we will do anything to the internet. Lets do it last after we fix our foreign policy, infrastructure, education, health care etc

Also, I dont trust Franken

[lestliness]

@uche007us I can't say I'm a big Franken fan myself but he did do a couple of good things, he brought to light the rape victim under KBR.. remember that? So he has done well... as for the other things.. I actually agree with you... in fact the net neutrality issue was already solved until the republicans decided to repeal it.. So in fact it's the republicans who are wasting our time right now. They should be focusing on our " foreign policy, infrastructure, education, health care etc"

[uche007us]

@lestliness I remember the rape thing, but the mob also does good deeds. Your good deeds have to outweight the bad ones to keep you are at need positive. Franken has ways to go.

I dont understand what the no good republicans repealed, but whatever it was, it doesnt seem to be affecting anything. I dont know if you have watched the 1st part of this video but Franken used as proof that NN wont effect profit (not that I care about it) by reading a siting a report from Goldman's Sach

[lestliness]

@uche007us Well they haven't repealed it yet.. they're working on it.. and what you said in your first sentence... well point taken..very true.. I think with all talk about Goldman and corps was his plea to the republicans or make them look like asses.. not sure... I spend most time fighting legislation however I'm very convinced that protecting net neutrality is as important as protecting free speech.

[uche007us]

@lestliness Lol. Protecting net neutrality is a top priority, that is why we should prevent republicans or democrats from tampering with it and I will fight with you to prevent republicans from doing this

Also whose to say republicans wouldn't use their guys to censor dem website once they win back the presidency? be careful what you ask for.

Lastly, you know the 1st amendment is there to protect our speech from gov punishment and not from corporations(wheres theres no guarantee of FS)?

[lestliness]

@uche007us Just to cover your last point on the first amendment, you're exactly right..what I was speaking of was it's application. t's a protection of sorts and btw corporations are not allowed to punish us either. They can do certain things like fire us if we work for them but they can't force us to do things. GM can't say "hey if you want to drive on these roads it must be in a GM car" A gov net neutrality policy says the ISPs can't force us to view their content and no one else's.

[lestliness]

@uche007us Just one more point... net neutrality policies is not a new department that censors the web. It's only application is to say to the ISPs that they can't discriminate on content.. nothing else. It's the same as the government saying that you can't deny service based on race. If you're a strict libertarian you may have an argument on that point.. but most americans agree... you can't descriminate. That's ALL net neutrality is.. nothing more.

[ReignbowSmite]

@lestliness I don't think they're even watching either parts. Smart people know their enemy, retards assume anyone who disagrees with them is the enemy.

They keep selling their government out because they keep falling for shit JUST LIKE THIS!

They just make them scared of it, and they won't even read into it.

"If you tell a lie, and it's big enough, and you tell it often enough... they will believe it"

That's paraphrased from Mein Kamf.

[ReignbowSmite]

The stupid in this comment section amazes me O_o

Net neutrality, means keeping the internet neutral, fail, and equal to every user.

Anyone who is against this is a fascist inbred fucktard.

[jmjfanss]

@ReignbowSmite

WRONG!

[ReignbowSmite]

@jmjfanss Nice... you sure pwned me. Do you have anything of substance to say here?

[ReignbowSmite]

@jmjfanss Network neutrality (also net neutrality, Internet neutrality) is a principle that advocates no restrictions by Internet service providers or governments on consumers' access to networks that participate in the Internet. Specifically, network neutrality would prevent restrictions on content, sites, platforms, types of equipment that may be attached, and modes of communication. (cont)

[ReignbowSmite]

@RSOpponents of net neutrality claim that broadband service providers have no plans to block content or degrade network performance. Despite this claim there has been a case where an Internet service provider, Comcast, intentionally slowed peer-to-peer communications.

Still other companies have acted in contrast to these assertions of hands-off behavior and have begun to use deep packet inspection to discriminate against (cont)

[ReignbowSmite]

@ReignbowSmite P2P, FTP, online games, instituting a cell-phone style billing system of overages, free-to-telecom "value added" services, and bundling.

[jmjfanss]

@ReignbowSmite

You are sheep

it is unconstitutional.

[ReignbowSmite]

@jmjfanss u r english fail. Fuck your constitution, it's old and needs to be re written. I don't care about a book wrote by desert men with sandy foreskins, and I don't care about a book written by men in dusty coonskins.

[jmjfanss]

@ReignbowSmite

DICKHEAD!

[ReignbowSmite]

@ReignbowSmite*fair

[27thedirector]

@ReignbowSmite Dont look to the govt to help you out...they only create more problems for us...dont you see that??

[ReignbowSmite]

@27thedirector No, the problem is that you've let corporations loose for the last 50 years by allowing them to deregulate to a MONOLITHIC proportion, that they now can afford to fucking buy as many congress members as possible. But if you idiots actually READ the fucking bills and asked people to help you understand them... you would see exactly which bills you should be cautious about.

Instead you get reactionary and throw out the baby with the bath water.

I don't debate sycophants.

[uche007us]

@ReignbowSmite Lets say you believe the govt line on net neutrality. So what happens when a republican administration takes control with his/her FCC commissioner? Just like the saying goes, if it aint broke, dont fix it. We have too many problems that need attention

[ReignbowSmite]

@uche007us They're trying to break it. Corporations are trying to as we speak. Are you going to wait until it's broken? It's under a giant foot, and you want to wait until after it comes down on top of it.

[uche007us]

@ReignbowSmite yes, they must have been trying Bush vs Kerry election and they still havent succeded. Srry but I will take my chances vs the big corporation that vs big govt. With big corporation, I can remove my consent($) the second they start censoring but with big govt, I have to wait for 4 years

[ReignbowSmite]

@uche007us No, you can't "remove [your] consent($)" Do you realize that all the corporations in America are run by a handful of people, and that if you let corporations do what they want to the internet (which is what this bill prevents) It will destroy the small businesses who rely on the internet being fair, and giving them EQUAL page loading time.

Would you like to see Ron Paul's website slower than the other republicans because they paid to slow his page down?

[ReignbowSmite]

@ReignbowSmite You'll boycott one product... but shop at the store that the company who made that product owns? Or say you boycott a company, you'll just get the same product from another company owned by the same people.

Voting with your dollar means something when there are lots of independently owned businesses.

[cobcatnipdew]

You are correct and thank you for your hard work.

[IronRangeSurvival]

"Net Nuetrality" is nothing more than "interent2".

How about you get into ALL the b.s. that has been consolidated with the intentional "economic" problems.....shill sell out MFr.

[StillAware]

I still say Al Franken for President!

[420gma]

@StillAware He's definitely a man of the people. I would vote for him.

[jmjfanss]

@StillAware

Bullshit, Al Franken is a puppet ass globalist.

[IronRangeSurvival]

@jmjfanss F*ck yes he is. Al Franken is a complicit POS....

this is all about the M.A.N. system for tying all those "global" agenda's like "smart meters" to all the new "camera's for your own good"; that are even put on minimal traffic roads through out rural America.

Nice spin in of the "arab spring" that he threw in there...LOL

[jmjfanss]

@IronRangeSurvival

Franken is a phony just like the rest.

and fuck bernie sanders too, sold out by killing the audit the fed bill.

[ReignbowSmite]

@IronRangeSurvival How was that a spin. Did the arab spring use social media to organize? If they did, it's not spin. Guess what? They did!

[jmjfanss]

@ReignbowSmite

You are a bunch of sheep.

God Bless IronRangeSurvival for speaking truth.

[27thedirector]

@jmjfanss Right on man!!

[derberg19486]

Americans are fucked from every angle, wow how is that whole Freedom at any cost thing going for y'all?

[SeppLainer]

Fuck "net neutrality"

Anything the government says they are trying to achieve, always achieves the opposite.

Don't believe legislators are actually going to protect the free and open internet by implementing government regulation and control.

[TheOneTheyCallTheDub]

@SeppLainer Yeah, let giant corporations decide how much information you get!

[Madfoot713]

@TheOneTheyCallTheDub No, let small corporations decide how much information I get. Fuck this regulation bullshit.

[TheOneTheyCallTheDub]

@Madfoot713 Yeah....All those Mom and Pop cable companies. Unless you wanna bust up the monopolies, you are arguing for slower connection speeds and restricted content. We have net neutrality now, do you want more regulations to allow giant providers to decide what sites are OK for you to look at?

[Madfoot713]

@TheOneTheyCallTheDub No I'm not, because service providers haven't been restricting content. It's a ridiculous bogeyman.

[TheOneTheyCallTheDub]

@Madfoot713 And Sen Franken wants to keep it that way. If you trust cable companies to not try and restrict content, you're insane. I bet you worry about ACORN though.....just guessing.

[Madfoot713]

@TheOneTheyCallTheDub I trust cable companies not to restrict content because it's a fucking stupid idea. There's no reason for it other than to be an asshole and they'd lose customers that way. Also, cute at the conservative dig, but fact is it's the government that has an interest in restricting content. Give them more power and kiss your torrents goodbye.

[DvineGaming]

@SeppLainer Umm, are you a fucking retard? Net neutrality is an amazing idea. But it depends on what it means to government.

[Madfoot713]

@DvineGaming "Net Neutrality" is a policy, not words. The policy of net neutrality is insane.

[ReignbowSmite]

@Madfoot713 really? So everyone having equal speed for customers who visit their websites is insane?

You think that walmart should be allowed to pay to have have their website speeds FASTER than some small American clothing shop? Way to kill small business and competition with multinational corporations.

[Madfoot713]

@ReignbowSmite >"really? So everyone having equal speed for customers who visit their websites is insane?"

We already have this. There's no danger of service providers throttling content selectively. Usually this sort of thing is a CONSEQUENCE of government regulation, like with cable.

[ReignbowSmite]

@Madfoot713 You WONT have it for long... Pay attention and start reading. The wikipedia page on net neutrality is talking about the efforts of corporations to take over the internet already. Click on the little blue numbers and read the source document.

I'm done arguing with people who don't do their own homework and act on their emotions.

[Madfoot713]

@ReignbowSmite You mean corporations don't like government regulating them? What a shocker!

[ReignbowSmite]

@Madfoot713 Read it or stfu.

[Madfoot713]

@ReignbowSmite I know what net neutrality is. Even the wikipedia page isn't very flattering if you understand how government works. You should read what the EFF has to say about net neutrality. That's the Electronic Frontier Foundation, which is pretty much the online ACLU, so it's not exactly some conservative shitbag thinktank.

[ReignbowSmite]

@Madfoot713 What is the credibility of this "EFF"? They're Biased and anti-government. Try giving me a source that's neutral... oh wait, just read the bill.

[Madfoot713]

@ReignbowSmite >"What is the credibility of this "EFF"?"

A record for sticking up for privacy rights and other civil liberties online.

[lestliness]

@SeppLainer That's not what's happening, here's an analogy for you... You can drive on any road (for the most part) right? Imagine GM wanted to buy all the roads in America and say that people who drive a GM product can go up 70 mph and all other manufactures can only go up to 40mph. That's what the fight is all about. If we lose net neutrality, big corp can crush competitors....

[27thedirector]

@lestliness as much as I want net neutrality for all if the govt gets ahold of it then the corps will use the GOVT to crush their competitors for them....dont you see??

[lestliness]

@27thedirector I do see and in other cases I probably would agree with you.... but net neutrality in regards to the FCC is not regulation its a policy that says one simple thing ... Internet service providers may not discriminate between different kinds of content and applications online. That's it! Nothing more. You may fear that this is just a start to something worse... but let's protect what needs protecting and worry about the later when the time comes?