dont you think if the new technology helps the returner it would improve the server even more. lol not only would pete be in the top five he would be number 1 destroying murray djokovic nadal, and having a little more trouble with federer, sampras in his prime destroys any player history, his game is built to win.not to be flashing from the baseline.
Edberg strategy- serve into the body, jam the opponent, and finish of with a backhand volley, which is arguabally the greatest of all time. excellent tennis player!
Stefan was always one of my favorite players. Very few could volley like him and perhaps only Johnny Mac was as good. He was as well about as classy a player as has ever played the game.
@TheListhename edberg played against grand slam champions. mcenroe 7, lendl 8, wilander 7, connors 8, becker 6, cash 1, courier 4, agassi 8, sampras 14. etc. back then their was many grand slam champions it was hard to be on top. edberg said 2 years ago either federer and nadal are so good or the rest a so bad.
@themios72 So true.I agree.I think the competitoon was more fierce back then.Federer was on top for almost 7 years.When you look at those years,champions changed atp positions frequently.Greats like Becker were on top for weeks only.Patrick Rafter spent 1 week and he was obviously a rare talent.I don't know...if we'd put Federer into that company of players..of course game has changed but you know what I mean.
@TheListhename sampras 6 years straight number 1. most weeks of all time at number 1. faced all the greats. edberg shows in this video he can beat and own sampras. samras regarded as top 3 of all time. sampras lucky his time grand slam champions were retiring otherwise he wouldn'y have got 14.
Yes. The main difference of today´s tennis compared to the 90s ist the spin, not the speed, though my first comment about Edberg´s interview was about speed. Some rallies between Agassi, Kafelnikov and Sampras have equal speed or even higher speed, because they hit the ball very flat and fast, almost as Soederling & Delpo. Nadal, Federer & Djokovic have more options for angles and a spinning ball, even with lesser speed is more difficult to return then a speedy spinless ball.
@ulizinho SAMPRAS PLAYED FEDERER IN EXIBITION MATCHES 2 YEARS AGO. SAMPRAS BEAT FEDERER IN ASIA AND NEARLY BEAT HIM AT MSG. SAMPRAS OLD SCHOOL PLAYING SERVE VOLLEY AGAINST THEN WORLD NUMBER ONE FEDERER. SAMPRAS BEING TEN YEARS OLDER TOO. IMAGINE? EDBERG HAD THESE STRINGS TODAY KICK SERVE AND THEN VOLLEY. YOU CANT COMPARE THE VOLLEY SKILLS OF TODAY WITH EDBERGS ERA THEY CAN VOLLEY FOR SHIT.
Indeed, Sampras, Rafter and Edberg are one level higher in volley skills then Federer. Fed is a baseliner with good volley skills but not a real SV player.
I think, today´s tennis is more intense. But by equalizing the court surfaces, almost all players today have to play baseline tennis. I like the tennis of today more, only SV is boring. But I loved the duells of Pete vs Agassi.
@ulizinho EXIBITION? HOW ABOUT EGOS? ITS A GREEK WORD IT MEANS ME, I, I'M. SAMPRAS AND FEDERER WENT FOR IT. SAMPRAS HAS TO MANY WEAPONS FOR FEDERER. HIS 1ST AND 2ND SERVE IS FAR BETTER THAN FEDERER. HIS VOLLEY SKILL AND SMASH IS FAR BETTER THAN FEDERER. HIS FLAT FOREHAND AND HIS ATTACKING STYLE PLAY CAN BEAT FEDERER. FEDERER SAID SAMPRAS RETIRED IS A TOP 5 PLAYER. THE OLD DAYS WERE GREAT THE 80'S I SAW THE BEST MATCHES THIS WAS THE ERA OF GRAND SLAM CHAMPIONS. TODAY ITS ONLY NADAL AND FEDERER.
Yes, today Fed & Rafa are dominating. Since Fed´s first GS in Wimby 03, only Gaudio (Paris 03), Roddick (NY03), Safin, Nadal, Djokovic and Del Potro could win a GS. Since Wimby 03, all GS winners or finalists had to beat Federer, even in his weak past year 2011. You can count account that on the "weakness" of his adversaries or to his shere dominance. Would you say, that Woods, Schuhmacher, Bolt and Jordan are no real champs, just because they were serial champions?
Fed has been the best clay court player since 2003, behind superb Nadal of course, who broke all the records on this surface and leveled the game to a new dimension. Fed and Soderling were the only ones who could beat Nadal on Clay. Federer made it a several times to the finals of Master series clay court tournaments, where he lost vs Nadal. He won Paris in 09 and beat Nadal in his home country on clay.
Sampras on clay: Rome & Paris (wins over Courier & Bruguera).
Yes. Pete´s game was made for fast courts. I never said anything else.
There is possibly noone who was more perfect as a attacking player. The question is: would this still be enough to be a top five player today, because tournaments now have slower surfaces AND return play has improved. Modern players have more spin and counterstrike abilities. Pete´s famous chip n chart would problably not work vs Nadal. Late Pete was repeatedly beaten by new players (Safin, Hewitt, Kuerten, etc.
Pete and Roger have more or less the same serve speed, maximum speed about 130 mph. Sampras served with more risk on 2nd serve, because his ServenVolley game needed a strong serve, especially vs Agassi.
Roger chose to play with a safer 2nd serve and win the points from baseline. Yet he sometimes serves also huge 2nd serves. Roger hit 50 (!!) aces in wimby final 09 and many vs Agassi in NY 04, 5 sets.
Both are famous for their economic and very disguised serve motion.
Pete serve is not faster, unless you can prove it. Fed top serve speed had been sometimes even higher then Sampras. Sampras had the better second serve. In the wimbledon accounter, it did not pay for Pete. Fed had the better serve/return overall results (aces, double faults, return points etc.). And that all, despite the fact that Pete had 69% of first serves in, which is a respectalbe number, enough to beat Agassi and the likes. Fed admires Pete, so do I. Get that right, man.
As I have said: Pete is the best attacking player. If I was Fed´s coach, I would suggest him to change his game. Fed can´t go on with his old tactics: slicing onto the backhand & attacking with his forehand. He must play the returns more aggressive, as Pete did, approach more often to the net. NOT as often as Pete, coz he can not do that as good AND because today the passing shots are better. Perhaps Annocone has already told him so. In London, Rog already played more aggressive.
Pete & Edberg are the best ServeNVolley player I have ever seen. (+Rafter, Cash, Kraijcek).
Pete has the most beautiful serve motion (better then Fed imo). He moves like tiger, always ready for a jump to catch his pray. Very calm and focused mind, very the gentleman in perfection.
So, EGOS: Fed won two of those fun matches, Pete one, yet Pete came out of retirement, Fed is still on his peak. Only meating between them in pro conditions: Wimby 2001
Statistics (1st number Roger, 2nd Pete):
Aces: 25 vs 26, Double Faults 6 vs 9, 1st Serve: Roger 62% (113/181) vs Pete 69% (132/189) 1st Serve Points Won 82% (93/113) vs 76% (101/132) 2nd Serve Points Won 51% (35/68)
Total Points Won: Roger 51% (190/370), Pete 48% (180/370)
So, Roger on his peak lost an exhibition match vs retired Pete.
If you watch the match, you see, that many pointy were played for fun. They chose a fast carpet, which is good for Pete. His serve is still strong, but he could not play Federer in best of five and would be totally lost on clay against any player, especially Nadal.
Pete would have a lot of troubles against Nadal, Roddick, Hewitt, Safin (lost against those), Djokovic and the underestimated rest of today´s pros.
@ulizinho petes game is fast courts. all the games against federer were real. pete practiced and got ready for their matches. pete just lost at msg 3rd set tie breaker. federer and sampras went for it. thats 100%
When they played in Wimby 2001, Federer had already all the weapons of his game, but was still a shaky youngster with little confidence and expierence in big matches. Fed improved and altered his serve since 2001.
Pete had lost a bit of his motivation and fire since he broke the GS record in 2000. Yet he was still to reach the final in NY 2001 and to win NY in 2002. He still had his big game, and he had a superb 1st serve percentage vs Roger (69%).
Hello Themios72. I am sorry to bother you with my replies. I am having a sleepless night here in Berlin, so I am doing crazy things, and writing stuff on youtube.
I both adore Pete and Roger. Noone moves so elegantly as they do.
dont you think if the new technology helps the returner it would improve the server even more. lol not only would pete be in the top five he would be number 1 destroying murray djokovic nadal, and having a little more trouble with federer, sampras in his prime destroys any player history, his game is built to win.not to be flashing from the baseline.
federerownz 3 months ago
Edberg strategy- serve into the body, jam the opponent, and finish of with a backhand volley, which is arguabally the greatest of all time. excellent tennis player!
babbsukh 10 months ago
Edbergs dress is beutifule:)
SchlagerOskar 1 year ago
@SchlagerOskar Let me fix that phrase for you:
"Edberg's clothes are beautiful." or "Edberg's clothing is beautiful." or else.
Edu2503 1 year ago
Stefan was always one of my favorite players. Very few could volley like him and perhaps only Johnny Mac was as good. He was as well about as classy a player as has ever played the game.
47TheSteve 1 year ago
I think I was actually at this match. It must have taken you hours of video splicing to only get the highlights.
kyrieeleison1 1 year ago
l'ultimissima partita in cui edberg fu competitivo ai massimi livelli..agli us open di quell'anno(93) iniziò il crollo vertic
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ferrari79100 2 years ago
imagine federer had edbergs life no way not 15 slams.
themios72 2 years ago
@themios72 Why?I'm just interested.
TheListhename 1 year ago
@TheListhename edberg played against grand slam champions. mcenroe 7, lendl 8, wilander 7, connors 8, becker 6, cash 1, courier 4, agassi 8, sampras 14. etc. back then their was many grand slam champions it was hard to be on top. edberg said 2 years ago either federer and nadal are so good or the rest a so bad.
themios72 1 year ago
@themios72 So true.I agree.I think the competitoon was more fierce back then.Federer was on top for almost 7 years.When you look at those years,champions changed atp positions frequently.Greats like Becker were on top for weeks only.Patrick Rafter spent 1 week and he was obviously a rare talent.I don't know...if we'd put Federer into that company of players..of course game has changed but you know what I mean.
TheListhename 1 year ago
@TheListhename sampras 6 years straight number 1. most weeks of all time at number 1. faced all the greats. edberg shows in this video he can beat and own sampras. samras regarded as top 3 of all time. sampras lucky his time grand slam champions were retiring otherwise he wouldn'y have got 14.
themios72 1 year ago
@themios72 Well he faced Agassi in his final slam win so I'm not so sure about that last part.
stormholloway 1 year ago
@themios72
Edberg said in tennis magazine, that the speed today is much higher.
ulizinho 1 year ago
@ulizinho THATS RIGHT STRING TECHNOLOGY HAS IMPROVED MORE SPIN MORE POWER.
themios72 1 year ago
@themios72
Yes. The main difference of today´s tennis compared to the 90s ist the spin, not the speed, though my first comment about Edberg´s interview was about speed. Some rallies between Agassi, Kafelnikov and Sampras have equal speed or even higher speed, because they hit the ball very flat and fast, almost as Soederling & Delpo. Nadal, Federer & Djokovic have more options for angles and a spinning ball, even with lesser speed is more difficult to return then a speedy spinless ball.
ulizinho 1 year ago
@ulizinho SAMPRAS PLAYED FEDERER IN EXIBITION MATCHES 2 YEARS AGO. SAMPRAS BEAT FEDERER IN ASIA AND NEARLY BEAT HIM AT MSG. SAMPRAS OLD SCHOOL PLAYING SERVE VOLLEY AGAINST THEN WORLD NUMBER ONE FEDERER. SAMPRAS BEING TEN YEARS OLDER TOO. IMAGINE? EDBERG HAD THESE STRINGS TODAY KICK SERVE AND THEN VOLLEY. YOU CANT COMPARE THE VOLLEY SKILLS OF TODAY WITH EDBERGS ERA THEY CAN VOLLEY FOR SHIT.
themios72 1 year ago
@themios72
Exhibition match...so, what does that say?
Indeed, Sampras, Rafter and Edberg are one level higher in volley skills then Federer. Fed is a baseliner with good volley skills but not a real SV player.
I think, today´s tennis is more intense. But by equalizing the court surfaces, almost all players today have to play baseline tennis. I like the tennis of today more, only SV is boring. But I loved the duells of Pete vs Agassi.
ulizinho 1 year ago
@ulizinho EXIBITION? HOW ABOUT EGOS? ITS A GREEK WORD IT MEANS ME, I, I'M. SAMPRAS AND FEDERER WENT FOR IT. SAMPRAS HAS TO MANY WEAPONS FOR FEDERER. HIS 1ST AND 2ND SERVE IS FAR BETTER THAN FEDERER. HIS VOLLEY SKILL AND SMASH IS FAR BETTER THAN FEDERER. HIS FLAT FOREHAND AND HIS ATTACKING STYLE PLAY CAN BEAT FEDERER. FEDERER SAID SAMPRAS RETIRED IS A TOP 5 PLAYER. THE OLD DAYS WERE GREAT THE 80'S I SAW THE BEST MATCHES THIS WAS THE ERA OF GRAND SLAM CHAMPIONS. TODAY ITS ONLY NADAL AND FEDERER.
themios72 1 year ago
@themios72
Yes, today Fed & Rafa are dominating. Since Fed´s first GS in Wimby 03, only Gaudio (Paris 03), Roddick (NY03), Safin, Nadal, Djokovic and Del Potro could win a GS. Since Wimby 03, all GS winners or finalists had to beat Federer, even in his weak past year 2011. You can count account that on the "weakness" of his adversaries or to his shere dominance. Would you say, that Woods, Schuhmacher, Bolt and Jordan are no real champs, just because they were serial champions?
ulizinho 1 year ago
@themios72
Fed has been the best clay court player since 2003, behind superb Nadal of course, who broke all the records on this surface and leveled the game to a new dimension. Fed and Soderling were the only ones who could beat Nadal on Clay. Federer made it a several times to the finals of Master series clay court tournaments, where he lost vs Nadal. He won Paris in 09 and beat Nadal in his home country on clay.
Sampras on clay: Rome & Paris (wins over Courier & Bruguera).
ulizinho 1 year ago
@ulizinho
I meant: semifinals in Paris, lost vs Kafelnikov. Three hard five setters befofe vs Bruguera, Martin and Courier.
Pete surely had the game for clay and for Paris, but he never really tried to adapt his game and possibly had some bad luck.
ulizinho 1 year ago
@ulizinho sampras game made for wimbledon us open
themios72 1 year ago
@themios72
Yes. Pete´s game was made for fast courts. I never said anything else.
There is possibly noone who was more perfect as a attacking player. The question is: would this still be enough to be a top five player today, because tournaments now have slower surfaces AND return play has improved. Modern players have more spin and counterstrike abilities. Pete´s famous chip n chart would problably not work vs Nadal. Late Pete was repeatedly beaten by new players (Safin, Hewitt, Kuerten, etc.
ulizinho 1 year ago
@themios72
Pete and Roger have more or less the same serve speed, maximum speed about 130 mph. Sampras served with more risk on 2nd serve, because his ServenVolley game needed a strong serve, especially vs Agassi.
Roger chose to play with a safer 2nd serve and win the points from baseline. Yet he sometimes serves also huge 2nd serves. Roger hit 50 (!!) aces in wimby final 09 and many vs Agassi in NY 04, 5 sets.
Both are famous for their economic and very disguised serve motion.
ulizinho 1 year ago
@ulizinho pete sampras serve more accurate and faster than federers. federer stated that he cant read samprases serve.
themios72 1 year ago
@themios72
Pete serve is not faster, unless you can prove it. Fed top serve speed had been sometimes even higher then Sampras. Sampras had the better second serve. In the wimbledon accounter, it did not pay for Pete. Fed had the better serve/return overall results (aces, double faults, return points etc.). And that all, despite the fact that Pete had 69% of first serves in, which is a respectalbe number, enough to beat Agassi and the likes. Fed admires Pete, so do I. Get that right, man.
ulizinho 1 year ago
@themios72
As I have said: Pete is the best attacking player. If I was Fed´s coach, I would suggest him to change his game. Fed can´t go on with his old tactics: slicing onto the backhand & attacking with his forehand. He must play the returns more aggressive, as Pete did, approach more often to the net. NOT as often as Pete, coz he can not do that as good AND because today the passing shots are better. Perhaps Annocone has already told him so. In London, Rog already played more aggressive.
ulizinho 1 year ago
@themios72
Pete & Edberg are the best ServeNVolley player I have ever seen. (+Rafter, Cash, Kraijcek).
Pete has the most beautiful serve motion (better then Fed imo). He moves like tiger, always ready for a jump to catch his pray. Very calm and focused mind, very the gentleman in perfection.
ulizinho 1 year ago
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@themios72
So, EGOS: Fed won two of those fun matches, Pete one, yet Pete came out of retirement, Fed is still on his peak. Only meating between them in pro conditions: Wimby 2001
Statistics (1st number Roger, 2nd Pete):
Aces: 25 vs 26, Double Faults 6 vs 9, 1st Serve: Roger 62% (113/181) vs Pete 69% (132/189) 1st Serve Points Won 82% (93/113) vs 76% (101/132) 2nd Serve Points Won 51% (35/68)
Total Points Won: Roger 51% (190/370), Pete 48% (180/370)
ulizinho 1 year ago
@themios72
So, Roger on his peak lost an exhibition match vs retired Pete.
If you watch the match, you see, that many pointy were played for fun. They chose a fast carpet, which is good for Pete. His serve is still strong, but he could not play Federer in best of five and would be totally lost on clay against any player, especially Nadal.
Pete would have a lot of troubles against Nadal, Roddick, Hewitt, Safin (lost against those), Djokovic and the underestimated rest of today´s pros.
ulizinho 1 year ago
@ulizinho petes game is fast courts. all the games against federer were real. pete practiced and got ready for their matches. pete just lost at msg 3rd set tie breaker. federer and sampras went for it. thats 100%
themios72 1 year ago
@themios72
When they played in Wimby 2001, Federer had already all the weapons of his game, but was still a shaky youngster with little confidence and expierence in big matches. Fed improved and altered his serve since 2001.
Pete had lost a bit of his motivation and fire since he broke the GS record in 2000. Yet he was still to reach the final in NY 2001 and to win NY in 2002. He still had his big game, and he had a superb 1st serve percentage vs Roger (69%).
ulizinho 1 year ago
@themios72
Hello Themios72. I am sorry to bother you with my replies. I am having a sleepless night here in Berlin, so I am doing crazy things, and writing stuff on youtube.
I both adore Pete and Roger. Noone moves so elegantly as they do.
Cheers, ULi
ulizinho 1 year ago
at 6:27 the sampras forehand was in wtf is this judgement.
turtlecutches 3 years ago