Are you kidding me eyeboan? There are no stones to be cast, it is simply a matter of holding an evil man accountable for the evil he has committed. You should be outraged! He has taken the name of Christ and used it to facilitate unspeakable crimes. Since you seem to conviently quote scripture please try on Matthew 25:40 and telll me what the Legion did to the King. The evil that Maciel did is a horrible crime and it should be condemned LOUDLY by all Christians.
Are you kidding me eyeboan? There are no stones to be cast, it is simply a matter of holding an evil man accountable for the evil he has committed. You should be outraged! He has taken the name of Christ and used it to facilitate unspeakable crimes. Since you seem to conviently quote scripture please try on Matthew 25:40 and telll me what the Legion did to the King. The evil that Maciel did is a horrible crime and it should be condemned LOUDLY by all Christians.
How sad that these beautiful young souls who have so much they desire to give to God were frequently badly used and misled by those in authority over them. Nonetheless, I admire and honor their commitment.
NO, we can be angry......this man was a liar a Judas.........a liar. a total malicious disgusting pig. the Legion must be broken up and started again but in a different, sorry to say this but ...its something that has been in me and the Church needs to disban the Legion.
Beware of metaphors such as "army," "soldiers," and "legion." Often implicit in such words is an invitation to forms of rigidity and obedience that well-intentioned people end up using in abusive ways. These metaphors also have little foundation in the teaching of Jesus. So these terms are both psychologically and theologically problematic.
There is something very telling in these 'jocks' who all want to be 'alter christus'. Not a shred of humility in any of 'em. They need to learn to do what Jesus asked, "Follow me," before looking to be 'another Christ'. Too like their oul founder - full of it, and themselves. Shame shame !!
They need reformation... Their priests have just meditated on Maciel's prayers and writings, while all the while he was a hypocrite. They did NOT learn catechism, they did not learn Thomistic writings, etc... VERY washed down. They need to fix it about now cause it's kinda sad.
¡DENUNCIEMOS A LOS SACERDOTES QUE ABUSAN DE MENORES!.
En sus recientes viajes a Australia y USA, el santo padre ha insistido en este tema. En México los católicos no hemos puesto alto a los abusos de sacerdotes pedófilos, aquí tenemos el caso de Marcial Maciel, fundador de los legionarios de Cristo y violador de menores.
Por desgracia, Juan Pablo II alcahueteó a estas lacras. Con Benedicto XVI, esto acabó. Por bien de nuestra iglesia, DENUNCIEMOS.
Actually I am following Jesus... you know those quotes I gave you, they're from the Bible, ever heard of it? You should check it out sometime, and don't just read it, try to understand it. Because if you actually read those Bible quotes you would realize that the Legion doesn't follow its founder, but Christ himself.
Yeah well if we're going to quote scriptures how's this one eyeloveniggers (oooh what a name, how ironic that you care to quote something from Jesus): Jn 8:3 "he among you that is without sin, let him cast the first stone." Wow, and that was about adultery too.
Oh, let's talk about another: Mk 11:25 "Forgive anyone against whom you have a grievance,so that your heavenly Father may in turn forgive you your transgressions."
Or read Lk 6:36, Mt 18:21 learn your Bible first, before quoting.
It's sad that the founder turned out the way he did. These brothers and fathers left in the wake are good soldiers, and many whom I know personally (was in the legion along with these same brothers in the interview, and was there when they made this video over eight years ago). I don't really think that the "army" is corrupt. The founder broke every principle and constitution that the Legion had. If they stay true to the real charisma then the army will remain strong within the Church.
Thanks to God for the Church. We have to work together for the Kingdom of Christ. Let's build the Kingdom :). Thanks to the Legionaries of Christ and Regnum Christi for their good work.
Jesus said judge not and you shall not be judged, but as you have judged so you will be judged, Mr Lennan sought to profit Iguess not being a Preist did not sit well with him but when he was asked the questions and reminded that Judas who betraid his Master was cast out and dispised for all time,so too will Mr Lennan and all who declare themselvs to be judges let him without sin cast the first stone. yours in Christ g2
However since you are a sister in Christ, it is good to hear from you, I give you a thumbs up because you have shown true faith and understanding of our Lord Jesus Christ. Yours in Christ guiley2
I do NOT hate Catholics. I love Catholics. But if you love someone, you must speak the truth to them, not pretend they are OK with what they believe. Also, Why should I read a Catholic Catechism, when I can read the Bible. Why should I trust in Catholic tradition, especially when in their Traditions for 600 years they torchered & killed upwards of 50,000,000 people, because they woundn't submit to Roman dogma. The Papacy made a huge amount of ungodly decisions, yet I should trust them?
I don't trust in any church. I trust in God & His Word (sola scriptura), and if preachers are preaching the Word of God, not the Word of men or traditions, I will support & encourage those churches. Non-denominational churches are for the most part the ones who do that. Not all of them, but a fair amount of them.
Thanks, but someone gave me a thumbs down. Guess they are an idiot, because a true christian loves their brother and sister. LOL by the way I am female. :)
Peter warns that "no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation" (2 Pet. 1:21) and says of Paul's writings that "there are some things in them hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures" (3:16)
twisting scriptures? are you sure of that? if Luther was right, then why are there 30,000 denominations with different with conflicting doctrines today? who is twisting scriptures now to support their own ideas? certainly not the Catholic Church.
The church was left to humans to construct with the guidance of the holy spirit. Ritual and tradition are not bad. God loves matter, and humanity. The scripture was compliled to provide a concise backdrop to the teachings of tradition not to replace them. Oral tradition has always been the key. Thats why its called the Good News. Not the Good Documents.
Sola scriptura is unbiblical. no where can you find "sola scriptura" in scripture. scriptures should be interpreted by the church.the Bible speaks of an infallible Sacred Tradition and an infallible Church that has authority to interpret Scripture. The Bible even warns against sola scriptura. read these passages:
It's not that Catholics don't have any truth. Where Catholics have maintained Biblical doctrine through the years, we agree with them. Such as the diety of Christ, the Trinity, the second coming of Christ, the propitiatary nature of the sacrifice of Christ, etc. But where Catholics have made tradition equal with the Bible and thereby many times, as Jesus said to the Pharisees, "...by this you invalidated the word of God for the sake of your tradition".
"We agree with them" lol - all your doctrine comes from the Catholic Church
"We are compelled to concede to the Papists (Pope) that they have the Word of God, that we received it from them, and that without them we should have no knowledge of it at all." ~ Martin Luther (The Father of The Protestantism) excommunicated by Pope Leo
"Pharisees"
Read the whole chapter Jesus is referring to HYPOCRITES who wanted to be called Father.
Mark 7:5 ...tradition of the elders instead of eating their food with 'unclean' hands?" He replied, "Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: 'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men. 8You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men. ....in order to observe your own raditions!
obviously Jesus was talking about the traditions Jews have. the apostles and early Christians practiced tradition and thats how the truth was handed down. the traditons of the Catholic Church goes all the way back to the Apostles and early Christians.
You are just hoping that the traditons of the Catholic Church goes all the way back to the Apostles and early Christians. You don't know that and have no proof! If they was truely from the Apostles, they would not contradict the plain teachings of other scriptures!
no proof? oh yes there are proofs richard! read the early christian writings especially the early church fathers. some of the early church fathers knew the jesus' apostles personally. the teachings of the catholic church does not contradict scripture.
the teachings of the catholic church DO contradict scripture. We are to pray only to God, yet you pray to saints & Mary. Jesus is the only Mediator, yet you say that Mary is co-mediatrix. Jesus is the only Redeemer, yet you call Mary a co-redemptrix. That is false teaching that contradicts scripture and is blasphemy.
Pray is an old English word which means "to ask". we simply ask the saints and especially the Mother of God to pray for us. Catholics DO NOT worship them. to ask the saints to pray for you is like asking a fellow christian to pray for you. The intercession of fellow Christians which is what the saints in heaven are also clearly does not interfere with Christ's unique mediatorship.
Yes it does interfere with Christ's mediatorship. You ignore coming to Christ because you go to others instead & give them the same power that only Christ has. God is a jealous God. Prayers are to go to Him alone.
Paul says that Christians should intercede in 1 Tim. 2:1--4. Clearly, intercessory prayers offered by Christians (in heaven the saints and on earth the living) on behalf of others is something "good and pleasing to God," not something infringing on Christ's role as mediator.
The Bible directs us to invoke those in heaven and ask them to pray with us. Thus in Psalms 103, we pray, "Bless the Lord, O you his angels, you mighty ones who do his word, hearkening to the voice of his word! Bless the Lord, all his hosts, his ministers that do his will!" (Ps. 103:20-21). And in Psalms 148 we pray, "Praise the Lord! Praise the Lord from the heavens, praise him in the heights! Praise him, all his angels, praise him, all his host!" (Ps. 148:1-2).
Jesus is the source of grace. As branches abiding in the Vine, we can distribute his grace. Because of his mediation before God on our behalf—because he has gained grace for us and entrusts us with that grace—we are able to impart grace to others.
In calling Mary the Mediatrix of all graces, the Church does not mean that she is a rival for Jesus' unique place.
We can impart the love of God to others and pray for them and with them, but we cannot impart any saving grace to them. The grace of salvation comes from Christ alone through faith, not of works (theirs or others) Ephesians 2:8-9. For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.
there is nothing wrong with the title co-redemptrix and co-mediatrix. the sole Mediator and Redeemer is CHRIST and no one esle. Mary's role is subordinate to the works of Jesus and Mary is not equal with God and the Church never taught that she is.
so for you Mary is just a baby making machine used by God and thats it? if mary's role is just to give birth, then why did Jesus listened to her in the wedding feast of Cana even if Jesus' time has not yet come to do miracles? why did Jesus, on the cross, gave us his mother to be the apostles mother and mother of us all if she's not important? Mary is important because of her faith and obedience to God and most of all, her YES to bear the Son of God.
Yes, Mary was a good example of to us submitting to the will of God & trusting God, that is true. Jesus respected her as he should as His earthly mother & granted her request, which she asked in faith. Giving his mother to John to take care of her is not giving her to us all as our mother. That is adding to the scripture.
Putting aside all post assumption visitations of Mary, and the effect she has had on societies. Mary has the same role as every person mentioned in the bible has, to point to God in some meaningful way. Mary was the chosen vessel of God, as near to a perfect human as is possible without being the christ herself. That she featured so little in NT does not diminish her value but increase her credibility. She was a pure servant of God, and excellent example of piety and simple faith.
Paul illustrated what tradition is: "For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures. . . . Whether then it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed" (1 Cor. 15:3,11). The apostle praised those who followed Tradition: "I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you" (1 Cor. 11:2).
Fundamentalists say Jesus condemned tradition. They note what Jesus said in Matt. 15:3. Paul gave a warning in Col. 2:8. But these verses merely condemn erroneous human traditions, not truths which were handed down orally and entrusted to the Church by the apostles. These latter truths are part of what is known as apostolic tradition, which is to be distinguished from human traditions or customs.
truths which were handed down orally and entrusted to the Church by the apostles. Again, you have no proof that your tradtions were from the Apostles and if they were they would not contradict clear Biblical teachings. For instance, the Assumption of Mary is not from the Apostles. It is from the Pope alone. Sorry.
the dogma of the assumption of mary was believed way before it was formally defined by the church. i suggest you read the catechism of the Catholic Church before you say something.
The scriptures say nothing of Mary being sinless nor of her assumption. The scripture declares Mary a sinner. She called God her Savior - only sinners need a Savior.
whats the problem with calling the priest father? there is nothing wrong with that and it does not contradict scriptures. if you are talking about Mt.23:8-10 and if your argument is true, then we should not be calling people teachers, doctors(latin for teacher), Mr & Mrs (other term for master). is that right? then stop calling your dad "dad" or "father" if that is the case. God bless!
No Jesus is the high-priest of God. But Jesus is no longer on earth, so he does not forfill that role. We have the holy spirit as the advocate, and through it the church (in its entirity) are moved towards Gods desire. Nice saying "God writes straight with crooked lines."
"The apostles doctrine" & "the things which you have heard of me" are recorded in the book of Acts, & the epistles. What are you meaning by sacred traditions?
By his grace Jesus makes the Church holy, just as he is holy. This doesn't mean that each member is always holy. Jesus said there would be both good and bad members in the Church (John 6:70),
and not all the members would go to heaven (Matt. 7:21--23).
I can agree with that, but during the 600 year period of Torture & Killing of innocent people, your Popes were the ones agreeing with & promoting this torture & death, it wasn't just a few laymen in the church. How can this barbarism & cruelty be from apostles who were supposedly Peter's successors? In doing this they showed that they were NOT the true Church of Christ, so why should anyone trust that Church?
50 million people? you need to get your facts straight richard. while you're at it, why dont you check the Protestants inquisition against the catholics. Look at Ireland today, Protestants still harassed catholics and some even got killed. of all the 30,000 denominations with different doctrines, whom shall i trust? God bless!
literal translation richard? are you sure about that? you mean one must interpret the bible literally? you need to think that over. there are some verses that can be taken literally. question richard, who compiled the bible for you? the protestants? certainly not!
All of your misconceptions are very simple and can be answer in detail with scriptures, apostolic Tradition & history if you are an honest Christian who is searching for the truth 100% read the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
"DO NOT BE AFRAID" -- Pope John Paul II
Most likely because of your hatred & ignorance to the mother church of your forefathers you will reject & ignore this suggestion, which is very typical to anti Catholic
THE CENTER OF PROTESTANT WORSHIP IS not THEIR PREACHER, it is the God revealed in the Scriptures. Not teachings made up by Catholic hierarchy. Example - you will not find anything in scripture about Mary like what Catholic church says about Mary, except that she was a virgin & loved God. She was a godly woman & loving follower of God. Also the Bible says nothing about worshipping a HOST as God. That is Idolatry.
"How a movie actress left Hollywood for a contract with God"
She gave Elvis Presley his first on-screen kiss, was as beautiful as Grace Kelly and broke box office records. Dolores Hart recalled that when she and Elvis were supposed to kiss, they blushed. "My ears started getting purple, and even his ears started getting purple," she recalls. "They brought everybody over to brush our ears down with, um, paint or whatever it is." (ABC 20/20)
NOT EVERYTHING IS IN THE BIBLE -- read ---- John 21:25
Early Christians followed apostolic tradition - "And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit Thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also" 2 Timothy 2:2, Acts 2:42,
Paul speaks of oral tradition as authoritative - 2 Thess. 2:15, 2 Tim. 2:2, 1 Cor. 11:2, 1 Thess. 2:13
= THERE WERE NO BIBLE AT THE TIME OF THE APOSTLES =
Bible vs Tradition: (1) The Bible teaches that the office of bishop and presbyter are the same office (Titus 1:5-7), but tradition says they are different offices.
(2) The Bible teaches that all have sinned except Jesus (Romans 3:10-12, Hebrews 4:15), but tradition says that Mary was sinless.
(3) The Bible teaches that Christ offered His sacrifice once for all (Hebrews 7:27, 9:28, 10:10), but tradition says that the priest sacrifices Christ on the altar at mass.
(4) The Bible says that we are not to bow down to statues (Exodus 20:4, 5), but tradition says that we should bow down to statues. (5) The Bible says that all Christians are saints & priests (Ephesians 1:1; 1 Peter 2:9), but tradition says that saints and priests are special castes within the Christian community.
(6) The Bible says that Jesus is the only Mediator between God & man (1 Timothy 2:5), but tradition says Mary is co-mediator with Christ.
CATHOLICS HAS 4 QUALITIES: 1) FAITH Yep we have that! + Good works 2) REASONS of what & why WE BELIEVE Protestants just believed in the bible alone Burger King Christianity "Have it your way" is NOT biblical 3) SCRIPTURES The bible is a Catholic book; the Vulgate (385 AD) is the first bible. 4) APOSTLES SACRED Traditions It can trace back it's Traditions all the way to the apostles Acts 2:42, 2 Timothy 2:2, etc. ==== THE BIBLE + CHURCH HISTORY = 100% TRUTH ====
1. Faith - hopefully it is not just mental assent, but a Heart commitment to Christ alone, and not in the church. Faith in a church can never save! Good works are for the saved, not to get saved. Ephesians 2:8-10. Unfortunately, Catholics seem to believe what the Church says over what the Bible says, thereby causing CONFUSION as to how to be saved!
We don't believe He went to Heaven, but neither do we believe he was ever saved. He was a theif. He did outward works for God, but he obviously did not commit his heart in faith to God. This proves that outward works can be done without true faith in the heart. It is true faith in Christ that saves and works will follow true faith. But many times works are done in hopes of getting to heaven, and their is no true faith, just like Judas. Too many I am sure in the Catholic church like that.
just to correct you on that, the roman catholic church never taught and never teaches that you can work your way to heaven. never will you see an official document of the church teaching that. if you know any catholics who believe in that then they should be corrected. faith and work should go together and not just one of the other. God bless!
Why Protestant Bible Scholars Converting to The Roman Catholic Church?
"We began to see that as non-Catholics, in good faith we had submitted our lives to Jesus Christ on our terms, not his. We had no other terms. Our Christian lives had been based on our interpretation of Scriptures or that of other persons whom we had chosen to follow." ~ Fr. Ray Ryland Former Episcopalian Priest
Richard Bennett, former Catholic priest for 22 years, was saved (born again) and now is a Protestant who exposes what is false in the Catholic church. He has a book "Far from Rome, Near to God" Testimonies of 50 converted Roman Catholic priests. You ought to give it a read. His web site has lots of info. bereanbeacon DOT org
Hi Grapu, 2 things: 1. The point is that they are not given a choice to be married or not, by the Catholic Church teaching. They are told they can't, which is againist scriptural teaching.
No Catholic is told they cannot marry. Once they choose a certain state in life they agree to a certain discipline. It is the choice of the man not to marry. It is a discipline they choose. It is in no way counter to scripture.
Jesus chose not to marry, Paul chose not to marry and encouraged others to remain celibate. How is embracing the example of Christ and the Apostle Paul unscriptural?
Grapu, but once they ARE priests they should have the choice of whether to get married or not, because the scriptures teach that a bishop or elder (same office) (in the Catholic tradition, PRIESTS), are to be the husband of one wife. I Tim 3:2, Titus 1:6 (elders/bishops), elders was the Jewish term, bishop or overseer was the Greek term, but it is the same office as you see in Titus 1:5 elder Titus 1:7 bishop. Therefore a pastor/priest should have the right to marry!
The command was that a Bishop should not be married more than once not that a Bishop had to be married. Do all ministers HAVE to be married? Though celibacy is an ancient practice it is not a dogmatic teaching of the Faith. It has changed over time as have other disciplines in the faith. There is nothing unbiblical about a man making a decision not to marry as to conform his life more closely to that of Christ. It is a life, recommended by Jesus and St. Paul. More should probably embrace it.
grapu, no I don't think that he has to be married, but obviously he CAN be married, and the point is that Catholic priests are NOT allowed to marry, not because the scriptures say they can't, but because the Catholic church says they can't, by their tradition, which goes against the Word of God. That is the problem.
That is not the point. The point is that to be a Catholic priest, the Catholic church says they cannot be married, when the Scriptures clearly teach he can. I Timothy 3:2, Titus 1:6, etc. Peter has a mother-in-law Mark 1:30, etc. Virginity is for those who can handle it and who choose it, but the Catholic church mandates it. This is false teaching!
"... is not to defend evil clergy, or a sinful church (I am not even a Catholic). But I am worried that justified anger over a few awful cases might be turned into ill-focused attacks against innocent clergy. The story of clergy misconduct is bad enough without turning into an unpardonable outbreak of religious bigotry against the Catholic Church.
= CATHOLIC FAITH IS IN JESUS ALONE not to FEW JUDAS =
It is more than a few cases of pedophile Priests. Quite a number of them. I say that most of that wouldn't happen if priests were allowed to marry. Again it happens, by your traditions you cause people to stumble.
Marriage is not the answer to the crisis the Church faces today. you think they will become good priests by being married? no. you think people will live a perfect life just because they are married? i dont think so. there are pedophiles in society not just in the priesthood. God bless!
I am being discerning of scriptural teaching compared to Catholic teaching. Was Jesus judgemental when He exposed the error in teaching of the Pharisees, & their trust in tradition instead of the Word of God? No, He was defending the truth. The priesthood has been done away with in the New Covenant. Christ is our High Priest (Heb 4&5) & all true believers are priests I Peter 2:1-9.
Amen. I believe all these scriptures state without exception. I do not agree with your interpretation. I find no justification in scripture for your position that God did away with the priesthood. Neither of the scriptures you sited say anything about the abolishing of the priesthood.
As Catholics we understand God has done away with the High Priesthood that was a part of the Old Covenant's sacrificial system. We also understand all believers are anointed as priest, prophet, and king as a part of the new covenant. This common priesthood, however, differs in degree and quality from sacramental Priesthood.
Look at Hebrews 7:12,18,19. The new testament does not use the word "priest - hiereus" to refer to a separate office of Christian ministry. Priests offered sacrifices, which are no longer needed since Christ offered Himself as one sacrifice for sins forever - Heb 10:10-14.
Catholic priesthood shares in the priesthood of Christ. It is similar to the priesthood of all believers. At Mass we do not participate in a new sacrifice. We participate in the one, complete sacrifice of Christ. We are at the foot of the cross on Calvary with Christ. I am not going to convince you, you are convinced your Bible interpretation is correct. I accept Jesus as my Lord and Savior but disagree with your interpretation. Be at peace brother my soul rests in the hands of our Lord.
Dear Grapu, where does it say in the scriptures that priests share in the priesthood of Christ? Do Catholic priests help to mediate between God & men? Priests cannot mediate between God & men & neither can Mary - there is only one Mediator I Tim 2:5. I hope your soul truely is resting in the hands of the Lord, & in the work of Christ only, and not the Catholic church.
Jesus is the eternal High Priest, mediating His once-for-all sacrifice for our redemption (Heb 3:1, 7:24, 9:12, 10:12), and yet Christians are also called to join in Christ's priesthood, as we have seen (1 Pet 2:5; Rev 1:6, 5:10).
Obviously, Christ is the unique and primary Creator, Shepherd, and Priest, but each Christian participates in these roles in subordinate ways. By sharing Christ's divine life, Christians also share in Christ's role as the only mediator.
True Christians participate in the Life of Christ, but in no way to we share in Christ's role as the mediator. We only point men & women to the One True Mediator, who alone can save them and pour his grace upon them, not through a church, but through Christ.
I also hope you are pointing men to Christ as their mediator & not the church. That would be pointing people in the wrong direction. Please pray about what you are doing. I will pray for you as well.
May the wonderful, glorious, abundant grace (unmerited favor), of Jesus Christ be showered upon you and transform your life into a personal love relationship, not though the church, but by your personal faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.
Boy you like to pick fights! LOL I will say, you assume that since Christ is the mediator between God and man that there can be no one else who joins in this unique mediation. You are praying for me. You have taken it upon yourself to mediate for me (you step up and ask God to bless me). God is the mediator, he has asked us as believers to mediate for one another, the Church joins in this mediation. Be assured of my prayer for you as well (as long as you are not offended my mediation).
God asks us all to pray for all men in I Timothy 2:1-6, but within those verses Jesus Christ is still the only Mediator in the sense of a person's salvation, being able to forgive a person's sins, etc. The Catholic church says "come to God through us". Jesus says, "Come to God through me". Who should I go through? I have chosen to go directly though Jesus, how about you?
boys no each of you could be a priest. Those congregation should be open to the world, society need you.
1011aleksandra 1 month ago
Are you kidding me eyeboan? There are no stones to be cast, it is simply a matter of holding an evil man accountable for the evil he has committed. You should be outraged! He has taken the name of Christ and used it to facilitate unspeakable crimes. Since you seem to conviently quote scripture please try on Matthew 25:40 and telll me what the Legion did to the King. The evil that Maciel did is a horrible crime and it should be condemned LOUDLY by all Christians.
dryroastedseanathon 1 year ago
Are you kidding me eyeboan? There are no stones to be cast, it is simply a matter of holding an evil man accountable for the evil he has committed. You should be outraged! He has taken the name of Christ and used it to facilitate unspeakable crimes. Since you seem to conviently quote scripture please try on Matthew 25:40 and telll me what the Legion did to the King. The evil that Maciel did is a horrible crime and it should be condemned LOUDLY by all Christians.
eyeboan 3 months ago
dryroastedseanathon 1 year ago
What a shame these decent young men have been let down by a very screwed up leader. He fooled many people, including the late, grate John Paul 11.
kpman 1 year ago
How sad that these beautiful young souls who have so much they desire to give to God were frequently badly used and misled by those in authority over them. Nonetheless, I admire and honor their commitment.
prysmith37 1 year ago
NO, we can be angry......this man was a liar a Judas.........a liar. a total malicious disgusting pig. the Legion must be broken up and started again but in a different, sorry to say this but ...its something that has been in me and the Church needs to disban the Legion.
CELIBERICO 1 year ago
God bless the Legion. See how God can make good come out of a sinful man! Let he without sin cast the first stone.
eyeboan 1 year ago
Beware of metaphors such as "army," "soldiers," and "legion." Often implicit in such words is an invitation to forms of rigidity and obedience that well-intentioned people end up using in abusive ways. These metaphors also have little foundation in the teaching of Jesus. So these terms are both psychologically and theologically problematic.
LilleGeneva 1 year ago
so boys what do yo think now? Legion literally "makes" priests - Father Marciel leading the way in child production and rape.
CatholicHell 1 year ago
Sad story but much good will come from all of this.....
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CELIBERICO 2 years ago
or I guess it would be Br., sorry
StealthGoblin1 2 years ago
Fr. Maciborski's story is funny! I'm wondering which cafeteria worker it was at Franciscan University. :)
StealthGoblin1 2 years ago
do they tell how many of those 500 priests are paedophiles?? and how many child have been abused ?? Its an important part of their history.
spideth 2 years ago
There is something very telling in these 'jocks' who all want to be 'alter christus'. Not a shred of humility in any of 'em. They need to learn to do what Jesus asked, "Follow me," before looking to be 'another Christ'. Too like their oul founder - full of it, and themselves. Shame shame !!
Gullytale 2 years ago
They need reformation... Their priests have just meditated on Maciel's prayers and writings, while all the while he was a hypocrite. They did NOT learn catechism, they did not learn Thomistic writings, etc... VERY washed down. They need to fix it about now cause it's kinda sad.
silver3344 2 years ago
Those poor misguided boys. Let's hear it for Pope Benedict finally investigating this ill-begotten order. Yay!
grypnhmr 2 years ago
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¡DENUNCIEMOS A LOS SACERDOTES QUE ABUSAN DE MENORES!.
En sus recientes viajes a Australia y USA, el santo padre ha insistido en este tema. En México los católicos no hemos puesto alto a los abusos de sacerdotes pedófilos, aquí tenemos el caso de Marcial Maciel, fundador de los legionarios de Cristo y violador de menores.
Por desgracia, Juan Pablo II alcahueteó a estas lacras. Con Benedicto XVI, esto acabó. Por bien de nuestra iglesia, DENUNCIEMOS.
BrigadierCristeroo 3 years ago
Actually I am following Jesus... you know those quotes I gave you, they're from the Bible, ever heard of it? You should check it out sometime, and don't just read it, try to understand it. Because if you actually read those Bible quotes you would realize that the Legion doesn't follow its founder, but Christ himself.
michelsonluke 3 years ago
Yeah well if we're going to quote scriptures how's this one eyeloveniggers (oooh what a name, how ironic that you care to quote something from Jesus): Jn 8:3 "he among you that is without sin, let him cast the first stone." Wow, and that was about adultery too.
Oh, let's talk about another: Mk 11:25 "Forgive anyone against whom you have a grievance,so that your heavenly Father may in turn forgive you your transgressions."
Or read Lk 6:36, Mt 18:21 learn your Bible first, before quoting.
michelsonluke 3 years ago
This order was founded by a hyprocrite who turned religion into capital to fuel his selfish worldly desires.
Good soldiers in a corrupt army.
kabbage123 3 years ago
It's sad that the founder turned out the way he did. These brothers and fathers left in the wake are good soldiers, and many whom I know personally (was in the legion along with these same brothers in the interview, and was there when they made this video over eight years ago). I don't really think that the "army" is corrupt. The founder broke every principle and constitution that the Legion had. If they stay true to the real charisma then the army will remain strong within the Church.
michelsonluke 3 years ago
Now we know Marcial Maciel was really a "father"!
TheCinemaShow 3 years ago 10
Hot !
rickT5555 3 years ago
Wow. A bunch of good lookin' priests!!! Now how about a calendar?!
meiguoren777 3 years ago
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catholicgroupwatch 3 years ago
This was very moving and I have many in my family that are part of these vocations. God be with them and peace be with you:
Rev. Michael Capps, D.D, Th.D, Re.D, Ph.D
Bishop:
mcmiraclevalley 3 years ago
Thanks to God for the Church. We have to work together for the Kingdom of Christ. Let's build the Kingdom :). Thanks to the Legionaries of Christ and Regnum Christi for their good work.
FrankRC85 4 years ago
Jesus said judge not and you shall not be judged, but as you have judged so you will be judged, Mr Lennan sought to profit Iguess not being a Preist did not sit well with him but when he was asked the questions and reminded that Judas who betraid his Master was cast out and dispised for all time,so too will Mr Lennan and all who declare themselvs to be judges let him without sin cast the first stone. yours in Christ g2
guiley2 4 years ago
Dear RedHatBlueShoe, the brotherhood in Christ
does not favour male or female, it is both.
However since you are a sister in Christ, it is good to hear from you, I give you a thumbs up because you have shown true faith and understanding of our Lord Jesus Christ. Yours in Christ guiley2
guiley2 4 years ago
Fr Marcial Maciel IRP
guiley2 4 years ago
I thought Ianswered you Judas, get thee behind me Satan
guiley2 4 years ago
You seem to know a lot about the legion, it is true what they say empty vessals make the
loudest noise, boy are you noisey
guiley2 4 years ago
this is awesome God bless the church
Archangeloftheandes 4 years ago
God bless the Catholic Church!
gostav0 4 years ago
The regnum christi walks next to the Pope, if the Pope runs the legion runs, if the legion walks slow and the regnum christi walked slow.
marioct3 5 years ago
I do NOT hate Catholics. I love Catholics. But if you love someone, you must speak the truth to them, not pretend they are OK with what they believe. Also, Why should I read a Catholic Catechism, when I can read the Bible. Why should I trust in Catholic tradition, especially when in their Traditions for 600 years they torchered & killed upwards of 50,000,000 people, because they woundn't submit to Roman dogma. The Papacy made a huge amount of ungodly decisions, yet I should trust them?
RichardFriend48 5 years ago
"truth"?
If the Catholic Church isn't correct and all other churches broke away from the Catholic Church.
Which church is the correct one?
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junmeskie 5 years ago
I don't trust in any church. I trust in God & His Word (sola scriptura), and if preachers are preaching the Word of God, not the Word of men or traditions, I will support & encourage those churches. Non-denominational churches are for the most part the ones who do that. Not all of them, but a fair amount of them.
RichardFriend48 5 years ago
"I" (me. me me and more me)
exactly God has to go
"your way@
"what you believe"
"how you feel"
PROTESTANTS ARE SO "SELF CENTER" IT HAS TO BE "MY" WAY OR NOTHING AT ALL
junmeskie 5 years ago
I am protestant. Please don't discriminate. I believe in all denominations.
RedHatBlueShoe 4 years ago
As a Catholic Christain it is good to hear
from a brother in Christ, God Bless you.
guiley2 4 years ago
Thanks, but someone gave me a thumbs down. Guess they are an idiot, because a true christian loves their brother and sister. LOL by the way I am female. :)
RedHatBlueShoe 4 years ago 2
I am a catholic. You cant believe in all denominations. Thats the same as moral relitivism.
However, if you love God, love your neighbour and owe your salvation to Jesus, then we are brothers in christ. God Bless you.
havock89 4 years ago
You also don't have all the answers and I do believe if Jesus is Lord and other protestants and Catholics have claimed it so stop the division. :)
RedHatBlueShoe 4 years ago
Peter warns that "no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation" (2 Pet. 1:21) and says of Paul's writings that "there are some things in them hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures" (3:16)
gostav0 4 years ago
Yes, it's true. The Pope should stop twisting scripture and stop adding to it all those traditions that contractict the scriptures.
RichardFriend48 4 years ago
twisting scriptures? are you sure of that? if Luther was right, then why are there 30,000 denominations with different with conflicting doctrines today? who is twisting scriptures now to support their own ideas? certainly not the Catholic Church.
gostav0 4 years ago
The church was left to humans to construct with the guidance of the holy spirit. Ritual and tradition are not bad. God loves matter, and humanity. The scripture was compliled to provide a concise backdrop to the teachings of tradition not to replace them. Oral tradition has always been the key. Thats why its called the Good News. Not the Good Documents.
havock89 4 years ago
Sola scriptura is unbiblical. no where can you find "sola scriptura" in scripture. scriptures should be interpreted by the church.the Bible speaks of an infallible Sacred Tradition and an infallible Church that has authority to interpret Scripture. The Bible even warns against sola scriptura. read these passages:
Deut. 17:8-12
Matt. 16:18-19
Matt. 18:15-18
Luke 10:16
1 Cor. 10:8
1 Cor. 11:2
1 Thess. 2:13
2 Thess. 2:15
1 Tim. 3:14-15)
gostav0 4 years ago
the-highway DOT com SLASH Sola_Scriptura_Godfrey DOI html
RichardFriend48 4 years ago
It's not that Catholics don't have any truth. Where Catholics have maintained Biblical doctrine through the years, we agree with them. Such as the diety of Christ, the Trinity, the second coming of Christ, the propitiatary nature of the sacrifice of Christ, etc. But where Catholics have made tradition equal with the Bible and thereby many times, as Jesus said to the Pharisees, "...by this you invalidated the word of God for the sake of your tradition".
RichardFriend48 5 years ago
"We agree with them" lol - all your doctrine comes from the Catholic Church
"We are compelled to concede to the Papists (Pope) that they have the Word of God, that we received it from them, and that without them we should have no knowledge of it at all." ~ Martin Luther (The Father of The Protestantism) excommunicated by Pope Leo
"Pharisees"
Read the whole chapter Jesus is referring to HYPOCRITES who wanted to be called Father.
junmeskie 5 years ago
Mark 7:5 ...tradition of the elders instead of eating their food with 'unclean' hands?" He replied, "Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: 'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men. 8You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men. ....in order to observe your own raditions!
RichardFriend48 5 years ago
obviously Jesus was talking about the traditions Jews have. the apostles and early Christians practiced tradition and thats how the truth was handed down. the traditons of the Catholic Church goes all the way back to the Apostles and early Christians.
gostav0 4 years ago
You are just hoping that the traditons of the Catholic Church goes all the way back to the Apostles and early Christians. You don't know that and have no proof! If they was truely from the Apostles, they would not contradict the plain teachings of other scriptures!
RichardFriend48 4 years ago
no proof? oh yes there are proofs richard! read the early christian writings especially the early church fathers. some of the early church fathers knew the jesus' apostles personally. the teachings of the catholic church does not contradict scripture.
gostav0 4 years ago
the teachings of the catholic church DO contradict scripture. We are to pray only to God, yet you pray to saints & Mary. Jesus is the only Mediator, yet you say that Mary is co-mediatrix. Jesus is the only Redeemer, yet you call Mary a co-redemptrix. That is false teaching that contradicts scripture and is blasphemy.
RichardFriend48 4 years ago
Pray is an old English word which means "to ask". we simply ask the saints and especially the Mother of God to pray for us. Catholics DO NOT worship them. to ask the saints to pray for you is like asking a fellow christian to pray for you. The intercession of fellow Christians which is what the saints in heaven are also clearly does not interfere with Christ's unique mediatorship.
gostav0 4 years ago
Yes it does interfere with Christ's mediatorship. You ignore coming to Christ because you go to others instead & give them the same power that only Christ has. God is a jealous God. Prayers are to go to Him alone.
RichardFriend48 4 years ago
Paul says that Christians should intercede in 1 Tim. 2:1--4. Clearly, intercessory prayers offered by Christians (in heaven the saints and on earth the living) on behalf of others is something "good and pleasing to God," not something infringing on Christ's role as mediator.
gostav0 4 years ago
gotquestions DOT org SLASH prayer-saints-Mary DOT html
It is NOT pleasing to God, see the link
RichardFriend48 4 years ago
The Bible directs us to invoke those in heaven and ask them to pray with us. Thus in Psalms 103, we pray, "Bless the Lord, O you his angels, you mighty ones who do his word, hearkening to the voice of his word! Bless the Lord, all his hosts, his ministers that do his will!" (Ps. 103:20-21). And in Psalms 148 we pray, "Praise the Lord! Praise the Lord from the heavens, praise him in the heights! Praise him, all his angels, praise him, all his host!" (Ps. 148:1-2).
gostav0 4 years ago
This is not asking them to pray for you. This is simply telling them to PRAISE God for He is worthy. Great difference!
RichardFriend48 4 years ago
Jesus is the source of grace. As branches abiding in the Vine, we can distribute his grace. Because of his mediation before God on our behalf—because he has gained grace for us and entrusts us with that grace—we are able to impart grace to others.
In calling Mary the Mediatrix of all graces, the Church does not mean that she is a rival for Jesus' unique place.
gostav0 4 years ago
We can impart the love of God to others and pray for them and with them, but we cannot impart any saving grace to them. The grace of salvation comes from Christ alone through faith, not of works (theirs or others) Ephesians 2:8-9. For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.
RichardFriend48 4 years ago
there is nothing wrong with the title co-redemptrix and co-mediatrix. the sole Mediator and Redeemer is CHRIST and no one esle. Mary's role is subordinate to the works of Jesus and Mary is not equal with God and the Church never taught that she is.
gostav0 4 years ago
The Trouble is that Mary has NO role. She had one role: to bear the Son of God. Her role is over! Nothing in scripture gives her any other role!
RichardFriend48 4 years ago
so for you Mary is just a baby making machine used by God and thats it? if mary's role is just to give birth, then why did Jesus listened to her in the wedding feast of Cana even if Jesus' time has not yet come to do miracles? why did Jesus, on the cross, gave us his mother to be the apostles mother and mother of us all if she's not important? Mary is important because of her faith and obedience to God and most of all, her YES to bear the Son of God.
gostav0 4 years ago
Yes, Mary was a good example of to us submitting to the will of God & trusting God, that is true. Jesus respected her as he should as His earthly mother & granted her request, which she asked in faith. Giving his mother to John to take care of her is not giving her to us all as our mother. That is adding to the scripture.
RichardFriend48 4 years ago
Putting aside all post assumption visitations of Mary, and the effect she has had on societies. Mary has the same role as every person mentioned in the bible has, to point to God in some meaningful way. Mary was the chosen vessel of God, as near to a perfect human as is possible without being the christ herself. That she featured so little in NT does not diminish her value but increase her credibility. She was a pure servant of God, and excellent example of piety and simple faith.
havock89 4 years ago
Paul illustrated what tradition is: "For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures. . . . Whether then it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed" (1 Cor. 15:3,11). The apostle praised those who followed Tradition: "I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you" (1 Cor. 11:2).
gostav0 4 years ago
These are not the traditions of men, but traditions or teachings from the Apostles. Quite a difference.
RichardFriend48 4 years ago
Fundamentalists say Jesus condemned tradition. They note what Jesus said in Matt. 15:3. Paul gave a warning in Col. 2:8. But these verses merely condemn erroneous human traditions, not truths which were handed down orally and entrusted to the Church by the apostles. These latter truths are part of what is known as apostolic tradition, which is to be distinguished from human traditions or customs.
gostav0 4 years ago
truths which were handed down orally and entrusted to the Church by the apostles. Again, you have no proof that your tradtions were from the Apostles and if they were they would not contradict clear Biblical teachings. For instance, the Assumption of Mary is not from the Apostles. It is from the Pope alone. Sorry.
RichardFriend48 4 years ago
the dogma of the assumption of mary was believed way before it was formally defined by the church. i suggest you read the catechism of the Catholic Church before you say something.
gostav0 4 years ago
The scriptures say nothing of Mary being sinless nor of her assumption. The scripture declares Mary a sinner. She called God her Savior - only sinners need a Savior.
RichardFriend48 4 years ago
whats the problem with calling the priest father? there is nothing wrong with that and it does not contradict scriptures. if you are talking about Mt.23:8-10 and if your argument is true, then we should not be calling people teachers, doctors(latin for teacher), Mr & Mrs (other term for master). is that right? then stop calling your dad "dad" or "father" if that is the case. God bless!
gostav0 4 years ago
There is no such office as priest in the New Testament. Only Bishop/Pastor/Shepherd/Elder (One office with 4 names) and deacon.
RichardFriend48 4 years ago
the word priest (etymologically "elder", from presbyteros, presbyter) has taken the meaning of "sacerdos", which means priest.
gostav0 4 years ago
Sorry, but the scriptures never gave the meaning of sacerdos to elder/bishop/pastor. They are shepherds of the sheep. Jesus alone is our priest.
RichardFriend48 4 years ago
No Jesus is the high-priest of God. But Jesus is no longer on earth, so he does not forfill that role. We have the holy spirit as the advocate, and through it the church (in its entirity) are moved towards Gods desire. Nice saying "God writes straight with crooked lines."
havock89 4 years ago
"...Catholic tradition"
AGAIN
ONLY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH FOLLOWS THE SACRED TRADITIONS HANDED TO US BY THE APOSTLES 2 Timothy 2:2, Acts 2:42
junmeskie 5 years ago
"The apostles doctrine" & "the things which you have heard of me" are recorded in the book of Acts, & the epistles. What are you meaning by sacred traditions?
RichardFriend48 5 years ago
"torchered & killed upwards of 50,000,000.."
why not a billion ppl?
THE CHURCH IS HOLY Eph. 5:25--27, Rev. 19:7--8
By his grace Jesus makes the Church holy, just as he is holy. This doesn't mean that each member is always holy. Jesus said there would be both good and bad members in the Church (John 6:70),
and not all the members would go to heaven (Matt. 7:21--23).
junmeskie 5 years ago
I can agree with that, but during the 600 year period of Torture & Killing of innocent people, your Popes were the ones agreeing with & promoting this torture & death, it wasn't just a few laymen in the church. How can this barbarism & cruelty be from apostles who were supposedly Peter's successors? In doing this they showed that they were NOT the true Church of Christ, so why should anyone trust that Church?
RichardFriend48 5 years ago
50 million people? you need to get your facts straight richard. while you're at it, why dont you check the Protestants inquisition against the catholics. Look at Ireland today, Protestants still harassed catholics and some even got killed. of all the 30,000 denominations with different doctrines, whom shall i trust? God bless!
gostav0 4 years ago
You should trust the ones who teach the Bible only, who teach a literal translation.
RichardFriend48 4 years ago
literal translation richard? are you sure about that? you mean one must interpret the bible literally? you need to think that over. there are some verses that can be taken literally. question richard, who compiled the bible for you? the protestants? certainly not!
gostav0 4 years ago
To RichardFriend48
All of your misconceptions are very simple and can be answer in detail with scriptures, apostolic Tradition & history if you are an honest Christian who is searching for the truth 100% read the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
"DO NOT BE AFRAID" -- Pope John Paul II
Most likely because of your hatred & ignorance to the mother church of your forefathers you will reject & ignore this suggestion, which is very typical to anti Catholic
junmeskie 5 years ago
=== KNEELING DOWN IS A SIGN OF RESPECT & HUMILITY ===
Protestants are self centered, and very disrespectful to Jesus because they don't go down on their knees to worship him.
= THE CENTER OF PROTESTANT WORSHIP IS THEIR PREACHER =
junmeskie 5 years ago
THE CENTER OF PROTESTANT WORSHIP IS not THEIR PREACHER, it is the God revealed in the Scriptures. Not teachings made up by Catholic hierarchy. Example - you will not find anything in scripture about Mary like what Catholic church says about Mary, except that she was a virgin & loved God. She was a godly woman & loving follower of God. Also the Bible says nothing about worshipping a HOST as God. That is Idolatry.
RichardFriend48 5 years ago
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junmeskie 5 years ago
NOT EVERYTHING IS IN THE BIBLE -- read ---- John 21:25
Early Christians followed apostolic tradition - "And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit Thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also" 2 Timothy 2:2, Acts 2:42,
Paul speaks of oral tradition as authoritative - 2 Thess. 2:15, 2 Tim. 2:2, 1 Cor. 11:2, 1 Thess. 2:13
= THERE WERE NO BIBLE AT THE TIME OF THE APOSTLES =
junmeskie 5 years ago
Paul's oral teachings at the time are now in the Bible. That is why we trust in the Bible alone.
RichardFriend48 5 years ago
THAT IS WHY OVER 38,000 DENOMINATIONS TRUST IN THE BIBLE ALONE
BUT NO TWO OF THEM AGREEING ON EXACTLY WHAT THE BIBLE MEANS.
PLEASE SHOW US JUST ONE VERSE THAT SAYS THE BIBLE IS ENOUGHT or SUFFICIENT?
junmeskie 5 years ago
the-highway DOT com SLASH Sola_Scriptura_Godfrey DOT html.
"You nullify the Word of God for the sake of your tradition" (Matthew 15:6).
RichardFriend48 5 years ago
Bible vs Tradition: (1) The Bible teaches that the office of bishop and presbyter are the same office (Titus 1:5-7), but tradition says they are different offices.
(2) The Bible teaches that all have sinned except Jesus (Romans 3:10-12, Hebrews 4:15), but tradition says that Mary was sinless.
(3) The Bible teaches that Christ offered His sacrifice once for all (Hebrews 7:27, 9:28, 10:10), but tradition says that the priest sacrifices Christ on the altar at mass.
RichardFriend48 5 years ago
(4) The Bible says that we are not to bow down to statues (Exodus 20:4, 5), but tradition says that we should bow down to statues. (5) The Bible says that all Christians are saints & priests (Ephesians 1:1; 1 Peter 2:9), but tradition says that saints and priests are special castes within the Christian community.
(6) The Bible says that Jesus is the only Mediator between God & man (1 Timothy 2:5), but tradition says Mary is co-mediator with Christ.
RichardFriend48 5 years ago
junmeskie 5 years ago
1. Faith - hopefully it is not just mental assent, but a Heart commitment to Christ alone, and not in the church. Faith in a church can never save! Good works are for the saved, not to get saved. Ephesians 2:8-10. Unfortunately, Catholics seem to believe what the Church says over what the Bible says, thereby causing CONFUSION as to how to be saved!
RichardFriend48 5 years ago
The Satanic doctrine of "Once Saved, Always Saved" seems to have originated mainly with Fundamentalist Christians.
The perfect example of how this doctrine is false is Judas Iscariot.
He believed in Jesus Christ, walked with Him, was one of the Twelve and was given the same powers from Him as the others.
Yet what Christian believes that Judas Iscariot went to Heaven?
junmeskie 5 years ago
We don't believe He went to Heaven, but neither do we believe he was ever saved. He was a theif. He did outward works for God, but he obviously did not commit his heart in faith to God. This proves that outward works can be done without true faith in the heart. It is true faith in Christ that saves and works will follow true faith. But many times works are done in hopes of getting to heaven, and their is no true faith, just like Judas. Too many I am sure in the Catholic church like that.
RichardFriend48 5 years ago
just to correct you on that, the roman catholic church never taught and never teaches that you can work your way to heaven. never will you see an official document of the church teaching that. if you know any catholics who believe in that then they should be corrected. faith and work should go together and not just one of the other. God bless!
gostav0 4 years ago
Why Protestant Bible Scholars Converting to The Roman Catholic Church?
"We began to see that as non-Catholics, in good faith we had submitted our lives to Jesus Christ on our terms, not his. We had no other terms. Our Christian lives had been based on our interpretation of Scriptures or that of other persons whom we had chosen to follow." ~ Fr. Ray Ryland Former Episcopalian Priest
junmeskie 5 years ago
Richard Bennett, former Catholic priest for 22 years, was saved (born again) and now is a Protestant who exposes what is false in the Catholic church. He has a book "Far from Rome, Near to God" Testimonies of 50 converted Roman Catholic priests. You ought to give it a read. His web site has lots of info. bereanbeacon DOT org
RichardFriend48 5 years ago
No need to go far just type Richard Bennett here at You Tube Search and see how I am DEBUNKING his DECEPTIONS some of which he cannot answer.
IN CASE YOU DID NOT KNOW ALL OF THE PROTESTANT so called REFORMERS ARE EXCOMUNICATED CATHOLIC PRIESTS.
junmeskie 5 years ago
Who says they want to be married? Who says they want to be a bishop? Paul himself recommends a celibate life. Christ himself was unmarried.
Why so judgmental?
grapu 5 years ago
Hi Grapu, 2 things: 1. The point is that they are not given a choice to be married or not, by the Catholic Church teaching. They are told they can't, which is againist scriptural teaching.
RichardFriend48 5 years ago
No Catholic is told they cannot marry. Once they choose a certain state in life they agree to a certain discipline. It is the choice of the man not to marry. It is a discipline they choose. It is in no way counter to scripture.
Jesus chose not to marry, Paul chose not to marry and encouraged others to remain celibate. How is embracing the example of Christ and the Apostle Paul unscriptural?
grapu 5 years ago
Grapu, but once they ARE priests they should have the choice of whether to get married or not, because the scriptures teach that a bishop or elder (same office) (in the Catholic tradition, PRIESTS), are to be the husband of one wife. I Tim 3:2, Titus 1:6 (elders/bishops), elders was the Jewish term, bishop or overseer was the Greek term, but it is the same office as you see in Titus 1:5 elder Titus 1:7 bishop. Therefore a pastor/priest should have the right to marry!
RichardFriend48 5 years ago
The command was that a Bishop should not be married more than once not that a Bishop had to be married. Do all ministers HAVE to be married? Though celibacy is an ancient practice it is not a dogmatic teaching of the Faith. It has changed over time as have other disciplines in the faith. There is nothing unbiblical about a man making a decision not to marry as to conform his life more closely to that of Christ. It is a life, recommended by Jesus and St. Paul. More should probably embrace it.
grapu 5 years ago
grapu, no I don't think that he has to be married, but obviously he CAN be married, and the point is that Catholic priests are NOT allowed to marry, not because the scriptures say they can't, but because the Catholic church says they can't, by their tradition, which goes against the Word of God. That is the problem.
RichardFriend48 5 years ago
Please show us Catholics the verse that it's not scriptural to offer virginity to God?
junmeskie 5 years ago
That is not the point. The point is that to be a Catholic priest, the Catholic church says they cannot be married, when the Scriptures clearly teach he can. I Timothy 3:2, Titus 1:6, etc. Peter has a mother-in-law Mark 1:30, etc. Virginity is for those who can handle it and who choose it, but the Catholic church mandates it. This is false teaching!
RichardFriend48 5 years ago
JESUS IS NOT MARRIED
JESUS IS CELIBATE
PRIESTS IMITATE JESUS
PRIESTS IS ANOTHER CHRIST
Your Ministers do not posses this gift of The Priesthood of Jesus Christ!
junmeskie 5 years ago
Neither do many of your priests who end up molesting children, instead of getting sexually satisfied within a marriage relationship.
RichardFriend48 5 years ago
The Myth of the Pedophile Priest
by: Philip Jenkin
"... is not to defend evil clergy, or a sinful church (I am not even a Catholic). But I am worried that justified anger over a few awful cases might be turned into ill-focused attacks against innocent clergy. The story of clergy misconduct is bad enough without turning into an unpardonable outbreak of religious bigotry against the Catholic Church.
= CATHOLIC FAITH IS IN JESUS ALONE not to FEW JUDAS =
junmeskie 5 years ago
It is more than a few cases of pedophile Priests. Quite a number of them. I say that most of that wouldn't happen if priests were allowed to marry. Again it happens, by your traditions you cause people to stumble.
RichardFriend48 5 years ago
Marriage is not the answer to the crisis the Church faces today. you think they will become good priests by being married? no. you think people will live a perfect life just because they are married? i dont think so. there are pedophiles in society not just in the priesthood. God bless!
gostav0 4 years ago
I am being discerning of scriptural teaching compared to Catholic teaching. Was Jesus judgemental when He exposed the error in teaching of the Pharisees, & their trust in tradition instead of the Word of God? No, He was defending the truth. The priesthood has been done away with in the New Covenant. Christ is our High Priest (Heb 4&5) & all true believers are priests I Peter 2:1-9.
RichardFriend48 5 years ago
Amen. I believe all these scriptures state without exception. I do not agree with your interpretation. I find no justification in scripture for your position that God did away with the priesthood. Neither of the scriptures you sited say anything about the abolishing of the priesthood.
grapu 5 years ago
As Catholics we understand God has done away with the High Priesthood that was a part of the Old Covenant's sacrificial system. We also understand all believers are anointed as priest, prophet, and king as a part of the new covenant. This common priesthood, however, differs in degree and quality from sacramental Priesthood.
grapu 5 years ago
grapu, Please tell me where in the new testament does it talk about a sacramental priesthood?
RichardFriend48 5 years ago
Look at Hebrews 7:12,18,19. The new testament does not use the word "priest - hiereus" to refer to a separate office of Christian ministry. Priests offered sacrifices, which are no longer needed since Christ offered Himself as one sacrifice for sins forever - Heb 10:10-14.
RichardFriend48 5 years ago
Catholic priesthood shares in the priesthood of Christ. It is similar to the priesthood of all believers. At Mass we do not participate in a new sacrifice. We participate in the one, complete sacrifice of Christ. We are at the foot of the cross on Calvary with Christ. I am not going to convince you, you are convinced your Bible interpretation is correct. I accept Jesus as my Lord and Savior but disagree with your interpretation. Be at peace brother my soul rests in the hands of our Lord.
grapu 5 years ago
Dear Grapu, where does it say in the scriptures that priests share in the priesthood of Christ? Do Catholic priests help to mediate between God & men? Priests cannot mediate between God & men & neither can Mary - there is only one Mediator I Tim 2:5. I hope your soul truely is resting in the hands of the Lord, & in the work of Christ only, and not the Catholic church.
RichardFriend48 5 years ago
Jesus is the eternal High Priest, mediating His once-for-all sacrifice for our redemption (Heb 3:1, 7:24, 9:12, 10:12), and yet Christians are also called to join in Christ's priesthood, as we have seen (1 Pet 2:5; Rev 1:6, 5:10).
Obviously, Christ is the unique and primary Creator, Shepherd, and Priest, but each Christian participates in these roles in subordinate ways. By sharing Christ's divine life, Christians also share in Christ's role as the only mediator.
junmeskie 5 years ago
True Christians participate in the Life of Christ, but in no way to we share in Christ's role as the mediator. We only point men & women to the One True Mediator, who alone can save them and pour his grace upon them, not through a church, but through Christ.
RichardFriend48 5 years ago
I also hope you are pointing men to Christ as their mediator & not the church. That would be pointing people in the wrong direction. Please pray about what you are doing. I will pray for you as well.
May the wonderful, glorious, abundant grace (unmerited favor), of Jesus Christ be showered upon you and transform your life into a personal love relationship, not though the church, but by your personal faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.
RichardFriend48 5 years ago
Boy you like to pick fights! LOL I will say, you assume that since Christ is the mediator between God and man that there can be no one else who joins in this unique mediation. You are praying for me. You have taken it upon yourself to mediate for me (you step up and ask God to bless me). God is the mediator, he has asked us as believers to mediate for one another, the Church joins in this mediation. Be assured of my prayer for you as well (as long as you are not offended my mediation).
grapu 5 years ago
God asks us all to pray for all men in I Timothy 2:1-6, but within those verses Jesus Christ is still the only Mediator in the sense of a person's salvation, being able to forgive a person's sins, etc. The Catholic church says "come to God through us". Jesus says, "Come to God through me". Who should I go through? I have chosen to go directly though Jesus, how about you?
RichardFriend48 5 years ago
Jesus shares many of His unique roles with Christians in lesser ways.
Jesus is the Creator of all things (Jn 1:3; Col 1:16-17), and yet He shares this role with men and women in procreation.
Jesus is the only Shepherd (Jn 10:11-16), yet He delegates this role to St. Peter (Jn 21:15-16) and later to others (Eph 4:11).
junmeskie 5 years ago
AWESOME!!!
AT LEAST THESE VERY GOOD LOOKING YOUNG MEN ARE OFFERING THEMSELVES TO CHRIST 100%
Please pray that they will be faifthful to their calling specially when the devil is preying on them.
junmeskie 5 years ago
Why is this in the category "comedy"?
LVNVUSA 5 years ago
Well, if my son has to get raped by a man of the cloth, I hope he gets one as cute as this one.
Carlinhosfreire 5 years ago
Wow... great video! Proud to have priests like these guys!
fer128 5 years ago
VIVA CRISTO REY
julianpc85 5 years ago
Wonderful Video...keep it up! Be proud of your Catholic faith. Learn it. Spread it!
God Bless!
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crstprst 5 years ago