Vote Ron Paul 2012 to end the FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS' 40 YEAR LONG UNSUCCESSFUL WAR on the people's freedom of choice to consume substances (The end of the War on Drugs).
Ron Paul to BRING HOME the troops.
Ron Paul to audit the fed. Ron Paul to end the "Patriot" Act. Ron Paul to end the private bankers' "Federal" Reserve and the power for them to print currency (UNCONSTITUTIONAL).
Ron Paul to end warantless spying on American citizens, like you and I
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What a way of meeting people and get to see their talent. At first was reluctant being on youtube, but getting to do this has brought me into the houses of some very special people. You are one of them. Life; isn't it wonderful!
Keep up the good work. Hope You Are Having A Splendid Day!
Where was TYT when the health care industry gave more money to dem's in '09 by enormous margins? Where were they when industry stocks skyrocketed after passage of the dem's own bill? And where are they now that the direct consequence is an anti-youth health care bill that simply entrenches corporate interests through mandates and gerrymandered buying guidelines??? Are TYT nowhere to be seen? Go figure.
@1dschamp The rest of the western world has effective, socialized medicine because they have healthier populations and stronger health traditions. In other words, people elsewhere take responsibility for their own health first. I mean a country with a 33% obesity rate (and skyrocketing) pretty much decimates any moral, socialist argument for health care here. The industry co-opted those arguments and will henceforth be making lots of money off the mandate--thanks dems!!!
@thereinliestherib the obesity rate in Australia and Great Britian are on par with the US. Just as the US have a socialised police force (government run and paid for, available to everyone regardless of ability to pay) so does my country despite any differences in culture, such as gun ownership or racial or poverty issues.
@1dschamp The fact that they are on par (I'd refute that heavily, especially by region), only forces you to defend the assumption that a 70% obesity/overweight rate is somehow a nominal marker of a healthy, developed democracy. If these numbers were so, I'd be happy as a clam. But the fact that the term "childhood obesity" (the PC liberal term for "child abuse") is even part of common lexicon makes me question everything my society does or says.
What a load of crapola. Health industry stocks skyrocketed on the passage of health care reform, just as industry contributions to democrats far outstripped any other party in 2009 (open secrets org). The industry wanted a mandate with no cost controls, and consequently sold us up the river, while the democrats worked only to serve narrow interest groups. Republicans will do exactly the same. We're fucked. End of story.
If the individual that has past away , at the time had assets in total which total a value of $10,000.00 or more after they have died the state would file for the property via probate court and then take possession of such items!
Reply to your question "which state was the Medicaid property waiver included " --answer TEXAS.
After the death of my relative i handled the burial and legal paper work!
Among such items i was sent a set of legal papers from the state of Texas which i was required to list in detail all remaining assets of the deceased!
The set of legal papers included questions pertaining , property left behind, clothes, personal jewelry, automobile,home, savings, checking account, house, land, everything.
Individuals unable to acquire insurance must pay out-of-pocket for health care, and in some cases must sell their homes and/or declare bankruptcy before obtaining eligibility to MEDICADE. Premiums cannot vary due to differences in enrollee's health but, COULD vary due to age to a limited degree. So if your old you get rationed health care .
BTW Thank you Jerk and the Young Turds for helping get the DemonCraps to pass a bill requiring these young kids to pay for my health care and my retirement. I'm 51 and disabled so I won't be contributing to their insurance but I'm glad I now have people like you selling them on this for the Baby Boomers like me ! LOL
Anyone who actually believes that it is the RepugniCan'ts who are Making money off the Health Care Trash has got to a brain dead teenager who is being led around by their nose by Jerk of the Young Turds. The Libturds Promised a public option, then they go behind closed doors with the Insurance lobbyists. Next thing you know we get the no way we can do a public option but here is the bill that requires you to Buy Private Insurance. Yeah the RepugniCan't are the ones making money off this ! Sheesh
A free market depends on fair trade, and even in the most free of markets, the buyer is some how protected against blatant fraud. The biggest Austrian economic diehards will tell you, the market's success depends on this, but when you allow money to influence law making, you see this aspect of capitalism attacked constantly.
No truly free market allows zero consequences for not delivering on their product, and when that starts happening, it's no longer a truly free market.
McCarran-Ferguson Act passed in 1945 - Federal govt hasn't been able to attack the insurance companies through federal anti-trust laws for over 60 years. They've been immune to competition!
McCarran-Ferguson Act lets big insurance collect and share data with each other about claims. With that, they can fix prices, set coverage requirements, outline conditions for coverage denials like pre-existing conditions.
The guys at the top have kicked the ladder out from under them!
Pointless regulation isn't consumer protection, it's regulation that stifles competition, and undermines capitalism. That's what we need to eliminate.
Ask any physician in MA, they'll tell you all about it. Insurance companies have put a quota on the number of service providers in any given area that can qualify for insurance credentialing. This KILLS business as people are far less likely to pay with cash.
They should not have the ability to limit services to control the market.
How the fuck is the GOP as a whole raking in money from health insurance companies, give me a fucking break, these guys appeal to mind numbed lib zombies, and jenk is kinda a douchebag. actually. hes a big douchebag.
well this would fall in line with letting peoples houses burn down for $75, and the steady rise of debters prisons for the poor, or 15 million people locked up for marijuana use, yeah sure, why not, let's lock people up for not buying health insurance, we already force them to buy car insurance. this would not be a good thing for a large portion of the populace. but do you think people could organize finally? if teabaggers are the answer we're fucked.
@tomitstube we don't have debter prosions, unless they are in prision for robbery.
$75 a year fee is cheaper than $1200 a year tax. when you by choice move outside the city limits you do at your own rick of not having a fire dept.
for the pot users. They should serve no less than 5 years. Add 5 more each time they are caught. car insurance is mandated by the states, plus to can buy cheap ins over state lines.
@MrSTANDFORAMERICA ~ another conservative who wouldn't know a fact if it was stuck up his ass. 1) cenk never said repubs were for a mandate, this time listen to the vid and not the voices in your head. 2) debtor prisons are on the rise, here's an idea, google it before you make an asinine comment that clearly shows you're clueless. 3) "$1200 a year tax", are you talking about property taxes that pay for trash, water, fire, etc. 4) only a goddamn idiot thinks the war on pot is productive.
@tomitstube Prior to the mid 19th century debtors' prisons were a common way to deal with unpaid debt. Currently, the practice of giving prison sentences for unpaid debts has been eliminated, with a few exceptions such as inability to pay child support and certain taxes. But taxes that deal with tax evasion penalties.
But if you do pay on a car or home and , Credit card However, credit card fraud, that crime which most people associate with ID theft.
Seems to be a pattern here. Bush lays down his dirty work -- patriot act (wiretapping), wars (Iraq, Afghanistan), bailout (banks). Obama comes in and lays down his dirty work -- patriot act expansion (internet), war expansion (Afghanistan, Pakistan), more bailouts (more banks, health insurance companies, car companies). Then a republican will lay down his dirty work and expand on those policies, and over and over again while the sheeple thinks that their side is worse than the other side lol.
@MaicoMoon considering you did NOT vote for Obama sir you have a damn cheek!
considering you voted for the republican party who did their BEST to fuck up any chance of health care reform,you have a fucking big cheek! now fuck off and die you dried up human with a very small dick!
@crashkadara Cops USE VIOLENCE. You can't escape using violence. Violence is necessary. IF you call the cops the cops use violence and you by proxy of calling them have used their violence. Can't escape it.
Look, even Karl Marx acknowledged that capitalism had its benefits. What we need is a reasonable balance. Don't need to be capable of taking something to stupid extremes for still to be a great idea in moderation.
GOP ranking in on health insurance? Where do you people dig this crap up at? ..Have you ever tried writing just ONE story that did not say shit about the GOP? This site is so bias it is comical! ...What I mean is...even the most unluckest dog has the sun shine on its ass once in awhile....All this is is liberal socialist bullshit! The same 7,000 people reading this post day after day! This is a cult! Lol
They rip on Obama and democrats in like half their videos man. They just criticize politicians who do bad things..... which is USUALLY the GOP but often the democrats as well. The site has a progressive bias but that's not a bias towards any one party. As Stephen Colbert said "reality has a well-known liberal bias"
They will pretend they are against the mandate but the "evil democrats made them keep it" and they will repeal everything else. That way they gain maximum political traction.
I'm Canadian and I have to deal with stupid shit some times with my health care system..but I would NEVER in a million fucking years want to switch to the American system. Who would?
I've had enough of these fucking dumbass Republican politicians. I'm going to move the hell out of here and move somewhere sensible like Canada or Sweden.
In Stephen King's (pseudonym Richard Bachman) dystopian world of the "The Running Man", people have no heath care, no education except rundown libraries, pollution so bad u get lung cancer at an early age, martial law, the only tv channel is a 24/7 propaganda posted everywhere for free...and on it is a show called the "Running Man" where desperate contestants put there health/lives on the line to get some money...SOUND familiar? We are this close to living in a Stephen King dystopia!?!?!?
The mandate is unequivocally unconstitutional. It's the first time the Federal Government threatened to penalize and individual for not purchasing a good or service from a private corporation. If this stands in the supreme court then welcome fascism cause that's what we've got. A government totally controlled by the corporations.
@Bolgernow Yes I can. First off auto Insurance is regulated by the states not the Federal government. Also it's your choice to drive on public roads. Don't want to pay Auto Insurance? Then don't drive on public roads. Take the bus. Also Auto insurance is for compensating other peoples property if you damage it. For ex.in California you are NOT required to carry auto insurance to protect your property. You ARE required to carry a policy to compensate another persons property. Totally different.
@lestliness you are saying driving isn't an option for those who refuse to carry insurance? True, only states control auto insurance law. But before 1945's McCarran-Ferguson Act the Fed ran it too. The Fed got out of it then. Once you get behind ANY vehicle that requires a license, you must have it by law. Failure to produce in upon request is cause for a ticket, & driving without it is also ticketed & fined. Each state laws on this vary. So aside from Fed/State. It's almost the same
@Bolgernow No, what I'm saying is the act of driving is a choice. Unless you want to make an argument that the act of living is a choice then it's not the same thing. Not even close. It's like excise tax vs direct tax.. Yeah they're both taxes but inherently different. It's my choice to buy something that has a tax associated it to it..(excise tax) but it's not my choice whether I pay income tax.. (direct taxt) Understand?
@lestliness driving is a choice for a person who lives 40 miles from work with no public close? You might wish to tell that person that? They don't see it as a choice. They see it as mandatory. If they couldn't get someone to car pool with, then no. Not a choice. Aside from the insurance model, let's go federal again. The FDA requires specific standards for food that makers must buy in order to comply to processing proper food. What's the difference in making those standards mandatory?
@Bolgernow I'd be thrilled to tell that person Yep it's a choice. You create your own life. Ride a bike. Get a horse. Move closer to work. Quit your job and start a home business. I don't care how they see it.. It's a choice. I don't get your second point, you're talking about regulatory scheme vs. the Government telling each individual the must buy a service or else?
@lestliness so they're not allowed to have a car. Check. They must not conform their life around not owning a car. That's not a choice. That's force. In my FDA, the government is forcing business to adhere to product standards. That means the maker must purchase machines to ensure this at their own cost. Same thing as health insurance. You must have it to meet the standards, but what, how, or which product you buys is your call. Do you see the specific similarities?
@Bolgernow It's your choice to insure a car. It's not a right to have that car on public roads uninsured. I'm a threat to other peoples property by being on that road so I must have proof that I can pay for damages that may occur. If the government can mandate direct to the individual based on the face they're alive, then they can mandate anything and we don't have the choice to opt out. I disagree with your FDA example. out of room to explain . I can see we will remain in disagreement anyway.
@lestliness you say "public road". Any road, anywhere even in your driveway you must insured to sit behind the wheel in most states. It's also your choice to get healthcare or not. You get busted without it. It'll cost you. Exact same thing. AGAIN, you must have machines/processes in place to meet FDA standards, but what, how, or which product you buys is your call. Do you see the specific similarities? You seems like an Ayn Randian to me
@tlfettled IF you can't afford insurance there are many many many ways to get it. Medicade, S-CHIP(for children), The Exchange(cost leveling marketplace to buy quality insurance at below market price rates due to competition), & several other options. They're also cost effective. Due to the new Health Care legislation insurance companies can't deny based on pre-exiting conditions. They also can't drop you once you get sick. It's illegal according to the law. Please read the bill. Thanks
@Bolgernow FYI-- in 2009 i had a close relative which had no other choice but to apply for medicade ,
The medicade application had at the time what you could call a property release waver.
Property release waver is where the state goes to probate court after the applicant dies and takes posession of assets to recover the cost of the person's health care to put funds back into the coffers for medicade.
In 2009 the cap was $60,000 a year for one years coverage via this instance.
@tlfettled which state did they apply for Medicade in? THAT had a lot to do with it. Medicade is a Federal run program that is also controlled by the state. For example in Alabama, they use medicade for the elderly & mentally unable. I live in Illinois, & have never seen anything on the application that would require a "property release waiver". Medicade is when you make below the poverty line $ to gain health coverage. It's like asking a blind man to "please read lines 1 & 2"
@Bolgernow Thank you for your insights. I now see, as a healthy and poor individual, how much better it is that I should be forced to pay more for a good I can't afford, in order to subsidize the costs of a population that is 70+% overweight and obese, 25% smokers, and millions of whom are addicted to prescription and illicit drugs. Thanks dems, I really thought I had something going with this concern over my personal health, but I guess I'll just shoot up some cheeseburgers instead!
@Bolgernow If you need help with reading, I seriously don't suggest soliciting it via youtube comments. If you need help getting up from the couch, instead of lazing around like a pile of garbage, along with the majority of 21st century Americans, then I'll hand you an amicus brief of my 14th amendment before I'll lend you a dollar of insurance money.
@thereinliestherib ah yes, more insults with ZERO facts. The legislation already passed in March of 2010, so you debating the merits of it is moot. Perhaps try a brick wall?
@Bolgernow Jesus, read the comments dude! HC stocks skyrocketed on the passage of the democrat's insurance-mandate "reform" bill. Likewise, HC contributions to democrats in '09 far outstripped contr. to any other candidates (and far be it from the media to have dutifully reported it)... so, we're all just supposed to accept a patently unconstitutional pile of entitlements and interest-pandering, without so much as a whimper? Have a nice trip!
@thereinliestherib they did not "skyrocket". This past summer the DOW slumped VERY hard. You have no rational argument. Here is your wall *Brick Wall* Goodbye
@Bolgernow The fact that they did skyrocket (which they did, and you're a liar) in spite of a recession, speaks volumes. What does the overall behavior of the DOW have to do, directly with a specific set of companies? Honestly, if you believe you have an answer to this question, then go get your SEC license and become the world's greatest stock broker. Ever.
@thereinliestherib oh, are you still here? You said, "What does the overall behavior of the DOW have to do, directly with a specific set of companies?". *Takes hands & covers face* Holy fuck buddy, that's EXACTLY WHAT THE DOW IS. It is an industrial AVERAGE formula which includes 30 companies. Out of the 30, 5 are Pharmaceuticals & insurance. How do you not seriously injure yourself getting out of bed?
@Bolgernow I have 30 apples. This has been a bad year, and many of the apples are not very good. However, of my 30 apples, I have 5 very good apples. With this information, can you please pick out the good apples, without looking in my apple bushel?
My god it's true--all the math teachers in this country need a good lashing.
@thereinliestherib you have 30 apples. This summer ALL 30 apples were bad. Not 23, 24, or 28. ALL. I watched the DOW everyday this summer from April-August. We investing a large sum. We lost a lot. Now those gains are coming back. What you are saying doesn't match with the financial facts. Wellpoint & BCBS always do well, true, but even they feel the sting when people choose between keeping the house, or healthcare, they pick the house...
@Bolgernow People like you make me laugh--and cry, at the same time. In typical liberal fashion, you're deducing distributions and individual outcomes based on averages, when you cannot deduce anything of the sort from an AVERAGE alone, moron!
John has one peso. Pedro has dos. Juanito is a cartel, and has a million. You: "According to the average, each person has about 300,000 pesos... and lastly, dur-ta-drrrrrr!"
@thereinliestherib people like you are Tea Bagging troll who are literally immune from facts, reality, & logic. Enjoy your Ayn Randian Objectivist world of ignorance & hate. I'm done with you buddy...
@Bolgernow Ironically, all you've done is spouted talking points about mythical "tea baggers" ("pluralists"?), instead of offering up any actual facts to counter my own. But the facts still stand that a bill which singlehandedly sends the working and healthy to the jaws of the industry is the direct result of 1) an insanely unhealthy country 2) outrageously disproportionate contributions to dem's from HC companies in '09. There's some simple math even you might understand.
@donatord that's a pretty open ended question with many reasons for the answer. Some are indigent & can't afford insurance. Some are choosing between the mortgage payment/school/kids ect in favor of it. Some can not find coverage because of pre-existing conditions. Some have been dropped from coverage. Some don't get it because they are not sick yet. Many reasons, but all hurt the market when they need service. They drive all our rates up...
@Bolgernow And of course, the fact that half of your fellow countrymen can't even see their toes over their bellies has nothing at all to do with health costs, or why others are prevented from affording a good they would otherwise.
@thereinliestherib "my" fellow countrymen? Preventative healthcare is just one area that can help, true, but it's not the root causes of high insurance rates...
@Bolgernow What a load. Please tell me how "preventative healthcare" helps the guy who goes in for diabetes treatment, only to come out and buy a cheeseburger for lunch. Oh what's that? The industry and doctors make lots of money off "preventative treatment"? The ones who gave the dems lots of money to force others to pay for these "treatments"? You don't say!
@Bolgernow "why are you such a loud lousy GOP/Tea Tard partisan hack?"
Neat. The best part is this statement is utterly lacking in substance, except as tacit admission that you can't counterargue the point, but must descend to ad hominems.
@Bolgernow GOP/Tea Tard partisan hack: (n.) 1. Anyone who contradicts the self-justifying Left. 2) A problematic person beholden to the constitutional principle of personal autonomy and responsibility, often demonstrating areas where the Left selectively abandons this principle. 3) Someone who makes arguments to which emotivist trolls can't respond, and thus, revert to shallow ad hominems against anonymous people they don't even know.
@thereinliestherib Tea Tard-A person who lets opportunist Republicans use the tea party movement for their own ends. A politically naive conservative who is easily influenced. Attacks like: "If you need help getting up from the couch, instead of lazing around like a pile of garbage", "And of course, the fact that half of your fellow countrymen can't even see their toes over their bellies", or "The ones who gave the dems lots of money to force others". All lies, all attacks. Shut up
@Bolgernow Lies? 70% of the population is obese or overweight--is that a lie? Is a 25% smoking rate a lie? Don't dump your problems on me dude, take them up with ALL current health statistics. HC costs in this country have risen in direct proportion with the drastic decline in American health, yet folks like you can't make the logical connection. Probably because it is overwhelmingly statistically unlikely that you are unhealthy and can't stand being held accountable to the fact.
@thereinliestherib what population? The US? Europe? If US, according to the CDC the %age of adults age 20 years and over who are obese: 34% (2009-2010) while the %age of adults age 20 years and over who are overweight (and not obese) is also 34%. You're full of shit, so bother someone else with your Ayn Rand Objectivist Atlas Shrugged BS...
@Bolgernow Thanks for making my point. Obesity is over a third and skyrocketing; thrown in those who are overweight, and the number jumps to over 70%, well over the majority of the population. Exactly like I said. If you'd read. This means that if you're healthy, you are in one of the smallest minorities of the country, where the unhealthy majority writes the HC laws. Remind me: did anyone complain when a certain smoker/drinker executive signed this BS insurance mandate bill into law???
@thereinliestherib you are insane, & incapable of reading my posts. Go away kid, you bother me. Oh, & aside from seeking mental help, you might also take a basic statistics class so you understand what %ages fucking mean. 34% IS WITH THOSE WHO ARE OVERWEIGHT THROWN IN. In statistics, you don't ADD those two groups together, because many are already in BOTH
Uh, sorry dude, they're separate medical categories: obesity 34%; overweight 35%+; together, 70%+. And yes, I'm the one who needs mental help because of all these CAPITAL! LETTERS! and because of the fact that I'M the one who got blocked from someone else's page for spewing obscenity instead of calmly refuting an argument with objectivity. Yep, I'm "that" guy...
@thereinliestherib ha! You've clearly never taken a statistics class. You have ZERO objectivity buddy. You're a Tea Tard Ayn Rand nutjob. Enjoy your world, & stay classy! You get no more attention from me troll...
@Bolgernow "... because I'm embarrassed that you just exposed my statistical error in conflating 'obesity' and 'overweight' conditions. And I have nothing but nonsense with which to rebut your arguments."
@Bolgernow the root of the problem needs addressing, not the effect. you in the usa have the highest income tax rates on the planet, and for that you have to provide youre own healthcare, yous have to pay to be healthy so yous can earn youre govt more money. many of you USA peeps will wake up when it is too late....
@magnusalexa it's a bit odd to post with someone a year later after the conversation, but that's cool. Um, what do you see as the "root problem" with relation to Health Care? Also you seem to making an argument against all taxation. Not a reasonable position as it ignores our Social Contract. BTW in the UK you also pay taxes to central government (HM Revenue and Customs) & local government. Just like our Federal & State
You just repeated the same thing as above except added "and if the insurance company does not deny your health care once you enter the hospital!!!". That makes no sense, it's called a Red Herring because no one is suggesting it will ever happen. It won't because it can't. Insurance companies can not drop you for being sick, pre-existing conditions, or just cause. It's illegal according to the new Health Care law
@allgoo19 I personally don't own a car. But I have all other family members who do, & if they didn't would ruin their lives at getting to work as it's not near public. While I wish everyone thought or did things like I did. I accept they do not. Needs are not always wants. The issue to me is my FDA example. Businesses must have machines/processes in place to meet FDA standards, but what, how, or which product they buy is your call. Do you see the specific similarities?
@allgoo19 what? Who said I can't afford one? You did. Sadly we can, BUT LIVE IN THE CITY. By choice, no? By geography with reason? Yes. You honestly don't know me buddy. If you did, we might have more in common. The reason you do not see similarities is because you're a Randian. An objectivist. Get it, fine. But don't make others subscribe to your insane non-reality based BS. Thanks
Why should I know you? I'm only trying to figure you out from what you said. I told you, "regardless of reason", you choose not to own a car, so not to buy insurance. You choose to live in the city while nobody forcing you to, which is relatively easier livig car free than some other places.
"The reason you do not see.."
You can't make a sense of health care insurance using example of business regualation.
"I honestly believe you're insane. Enjoy your Randian life. Please leave the rest of us out of it.." (All your message will be posted here. Don't watse your time sending it to me.)
Had run out of reasoning your point?
You haven't explained your point, "Having a car is not a choice." Then you say you don't have a car(neither insurance).
Aren't you trying to prove the opposite?
Believe it or not, I'm trying to understand you but I'm having a hard time.
@tlfettled what are you directly speaking to here? What insurance companies will "cover" an individual for, or what people pay out? Not sure I follow you. Legally with this passed law Companies can not drop you for pre-existing conditions. They also can not drop coverage for no reason. That is now against the law.
Let's not forget how much they love the fact that taxes will subsidize insurance premiums and how tax dollars will super-subsidize insurance pools for people with serious health issues. I wonder if there is some way they could get government to pay private insurance companies to administer Medicare and Medicaid? Without taking any of the risks of course!
Rep. Weiner was essentially correct: the Republican party is a "wholly owned subsidiary" of the Republican party. I suspect that if the "Tea Party" crowd's funding were traced, it originates with the insurance industry.
UK has health care for EVERYONE! Ha ha America. Your own stubbornness on how Capitalism is always right means that you can't admit that 100% Capitalism isn't right and some socialist aspects are needed in society.
@TheRorySteel Its kind of hard to have true capitalism with a socialist president. If they let the system work like it should with no corruption, we could all afford our own healthcare. Hows that european union working out for you brits? Gotta love having no say in the laws youre forced to follow, made by people who arent elected by you or anyone. You retards dont even know when youre being screwed. At least we do. And were about to rectify the situation in our elections this november.
@athiog Canada is doing great, and the Euro is still stronger then our dollar. I wouldn't go bashing other countries man. We are begging for money from China at a ridiculous rate. We are not in as good of shape vs the rest of the world as you may think. No offense by the way.
@ram8704 Well seeing how the federal reserve is on a mission to totally collapse the dollar of course we are in bad shape. Just look at greece, a member of the EU correct? Worked great for them huh? When we abolish the fed and go back to a debt free monetary system, then we can get our country back. As long as bankers rule the world, and they do, no country is safe, including China. The bankers created the EU, and control the currencies, and can make them look as strong or weak as they want.
@manhunt48 Really? Im idiotic? And you have a video of your parakeet singing a final fantasy song..... Grow up kid and pick up a real book, not the TV guide. Educate yourself on how bankers rule the world by controlling currency values. Then, maybe your insight will be worth reading. Till then good luck beating final fantasy! Maybe join the real world, and teach yourself something instead of your parakeet how to sing video game songs.....k thanks bye.
Yep i was right, you are. . . Because some how according you liking final fantasy = idiotic. Also you have to be a fucking idiot if you actually think the TV guide is the only thing i read. Either that or you have utterly no sense of humour, which one is it?
Grow the fuck will you, and go stick your conspiracy theory bullshit up your arse.
@athiog strangely the only people beening screwed are the American public!
here in Canada(where i now live) and the UK(where i used to live) we have a damn good health care system! unlike your lot down south!
as for rectifing it in Novermenr,your going to vote out the very people who tried to give you all a fair chance of health care and go back to the crappy system you had before!
only in amercian people! land of the terminily dim and dumb!
@grahamkeithtodd Actually the system they want to implement is not good for us. It was written by the health insurance companies, and when was the last time an insurance company did anything in the best interest of policy holders? Never. And if your system is so good, why do alot of your citizens still come here for healthcare? Its because of competition, it equals better care. And you have a FREE system, we would have to pay for it. So how is that good? Please explain.
BULLSHIT! Canada's system SUCKS just like Europe. America has the BEST healthcare system! Even Taiwan's "utopian" system is an EPIC FAIL for Taiwanese men like Chinese men HAVE PUSSIES!
@ecwaufisxtreme.Canada's HC system sucks? Whatever you say crackhead. BTW it'd be nice if just once you provided proof for what you say. You know like pot being more dangerous than alcohol. I've challenged you time and time again to prove that and you haven't and you know why? Because you can't because what you say is crap. Nobody's died from using pot but lots of people including my birthmother died as a result of alcohl. She was killed by a drunkdriver.
@TheRorySteel oh if only u can talk to my econ teacher, he believes in capitalism over all, and says countries like urs with socialized medicine is horrible and everyone in ur countries is wishing for american heath care, u would blow his mind lol
Lobbying happens on all sides of politics.
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I thought about lobbying to make lobbying illegal
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Ron Paul to BRING HOME the troops.
Ron Paul to audit the fed. Ron Paul to end the "Patriot" Act. Ron Paul to end the private bankers' "Federal" Reserve and the power for them to print currency (UNCONSTITUTIONAL).
Ron Paul to end warantless spying on American citizens, like you and I
Ron Paul to restore the people's rights!!!
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What a way of meeting people and get to see their talent. At first was reluctant being on youtube, but getting to do this has brought me into the houses of some very special people. You are one of them. Life; isn't it wonderful!
Keep up the good work. Hope You Are Having A Splendid Day!
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erickdircks 1 year ago
I don't understand why lobbying is not illegal.
LiliFromHali 1 year ago 7
@LiliFromHali Agreed. I've never understood how it's different from bribery and graft
bannor99 5 months ago
Where was TYT when the health care industry gave more money to dem's in '09 by enormous margins? Where were they when industry stocks skyrocketed after passage of the dem's own bill? And where are they now that the direct consequence is an anti-youth health care bill that simply entrenches corporate interests through mandates and gerrymandered buying guidelines??? Are TYT nowhere to be seen? Go figure.
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nadeeraist 1 year ago
health care works.
look at canada, australia, japan...
these are all free, democratic and developed countries with higher standards of living than the US, (in terms of HDI)
overblast0000 1 year ago
@overblast0000 "look at canada, australia, japan..."
Populations which have almost nothing in common with the US...
thereinliestherib 1 year ago
@thereinliestherib what do you mean by 'nothing in common".
1dschamp 1 year ago
@1dschamp The rest of the western world has effective, socialized medicine because they have healthier populations and stronger health traditions. In other words, people elsewhere take responsibility for their own health first. I mean a country with a 33% obesity rate (and skyrocketing) pretty much decimates any moral, socialist argument for health care here. The industry co-opted those arguments and will henceforth be making lots of money off the mandate--thanks dems!!!
thereinliestherib 1 year ago
@thereinliestherib the obesity rate in Australia and Great Britian are on par with the US. Just as the US have a socialised police force (government run and paid for, available to everyone regardless of ability to pay) so does my country despite any differences in culture, such as gun ownership or racial or poverty issues.
1dschamp 1 year ago
@1dschamp The fact that they are on par (I'd refute that heavily, especially by region), only forces you to defend the assumption that a 70% obesity/overweight rate is somehow a nominal marker of a healthy, developed democracy. If these numbers were so, I'd be happy as a clam. But the fact that the term "childhood obesity" (the PC liberal term for "child abuse") is even part of common lexicon makes me question everything my society does or says.
thereinliestherib 1 year ago
What a load of crapola. Health industry stocks skyrocketed on the passage of health care reform, just as industry contributions to democrats far outstripped any other party in 2009 (open secrets org). The industry wanted a mandate with no cost controls, and consequently sold us up the river, while the democrats worked only to serve narrow interest groups. Republicans will do exactly the same. We're fucked. End of story.
thereinliestherib 1 year ago
If the individual that has past away , at the time had assets in total which total a value of $10,000.00 or more after they have died the state would file for the property via probate court and then take possession of such items!
tlfettled 1 year ago
Reply to your question "which state was the Medicaid property waiver included " --answer TEXAS.
After the death of my relative i handled the burial and legal paper work!
Among such items i was sent a set of legal papers from the state of Texas which i was required to list in detail all remaining assets of the deceased!
The set of legal papers included questions pertaining , property left behind, clothes, personal jewelry, automobile,home, savings, checking account, house, land, everything.
tlfettled 1 year ago
I was speaking to know one in general, and everyone. If these post's are of objective subject matter, i will stop asap!
tlfettled 1 year ago
Individuals unable to acquire insurance must pay out-of-pocket for health care, and in some cases must sell their homes and/or declare bankruptcy before obtaining eligibility to MEDICADE. Premiums cannot vary due to differences in enrollee's health but, COULD vary due to age to a limited degree. So if your old you get rationed health care .
tlfettled 1 year ago
The Rupugs are shameless. It's kind of amazing some times.
DrakeMagnum 1 year ago 4
BTW Thank you Jerk and the Young Turds for helping get the DemonCraps to pass a bill requiring these young kids to pay for my health care and my retirement. I'm 51 and disabled so I won't be contributing to their insurance but I'm glad I now have people like you selling them on this for the Baby Boomers like me ! LOL
hobo59 1 year ago
Anyone who actually believes that it is the RepugniCan'ts who are Making money off the Health Care Trash has got to a brain dead teenager who is being led around by their nose by Jerk of the Young Turds. The Libturds Promised a public option, then they go behind closed doors with the Insurance lobbyists. Next thing you know we get the no way we can do a public option but here is the bill that requires you to Buy Private Insurance. Yeah the RepugniCan't are the ones making money off this ! Sheesh
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@Zander73
"ahhh taiwan was who I was thinking of.."
That's ok. ^_^
Taiwan spends 2% of their GDP for health care and covers everybody, compare to US 17% and not covering everybody. Talking about efficiency!
Most other countries with NHC spends about 10%.
If US(GDP $14.25 Trillion) runs its HC as efficient as Taiwan, it'll save (15% saving) $2.138 Trillion a year.
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MrFreedomdemocracy 1 year ago
@Zander73
Right on, I hear what you're saying. Glad we see eye to eye :)
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LoryLandskipper 1 year ago
@Zander73
A free market depends on fair trade, and even in the most free of markets, the buyer is some how protected against blatant fraud. The biggest Austrian economic diehards will tell you, the market's success depends on this, but when you allow money to influence law making, you see this aspect of capitalism attacked constantly.
No truly free market allows zero consequences for not delivering on their product, and when that starts happening, it's no longer a truly free market.
LoryLandskipper 1 year ago
@Zander73
McCarran-Ferguson Act passed in 1945 - Federal govt hasn't been able to attack the insurance companies through federal anti-trust laws for over 60 years. They've been immune to competition!
McCarran-Ferguson Act lets big insurance collect and share data with each other about claims. With that, they can fix prices, set coverage requirements, outline conditions for coverage denials like pre-existing conditions.
The guys at the top have kicked the ladder out from under them!
LoryLandskipper 1 year ago
@Zander73
Pointless regulation isn't consumer protection, it's regulation that stifles competition, and undermines capitalism. That's what we need to eliminate.
Ask any physician in MA, they'll tell you all about it. Insurance companies have put a quota on the number of service providers in any given area that can qualify for insurance credentialing. This KILLS business as people are far less likely to pay with cash.
They should not have the ability to limit services to control the market.
LoryLandskipper 1 year ago
@Zander73
"I'm pretty sure thailand decided .."
There are many developing countries looking into some kind of health care system, private or public.
Taiwan for example, looked at many different HC system in the world but US model wasn't one of them.
allgoo19 1 year ago
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MrFreedomdemocracy 1 year ago
We shouldn't have lobbyists anyway!
itlk2angels 1 year ago
How the fuck is the GOP as a whole raking in money from health insurance companies, give me a fucking break, these guys appeal to mind numbed lib zombies, and jenk is kinda a douchebag. actually. hes a big douchebag.
Wyndstarthedruid 1 year ago
Sucks to be an American, eh?
AnotherPervyWanker 1 year ago
Well you know Cenk is lying out his ass again. it was the democrats that mandated that everyone buy healthcare insurance, not the GOP.
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 1 year ago
Money does not exist. All it is, is just popular opinion. Like High School.
:P
Joxman2k 1 year ago
well this would fall in line with letting peoples houses burn down for $75, and the steady rise of debters prisons for the poor, or 15 million people locked up for marijuana use, yeah sure, why not, let's lock people up for not buying health insurance, we already force them to buy car insurance. this would not be a good thing for a large portion of the populace. but do you think people could organize finally? if teabaggers are the answer we're fucked.
tomitstube 1 year ago
@tomitstube we don't have debter prosions, unless they are in prision for robbery.
$75 a year fee is cheaper than $1200 a year tax. when you by choice move outside the city limits you do at your own rick of not having a fire dept.
for the pot users. They should serve no less than 5 years. Add 5 more each time they are caught. car insurance is mandated by the states, plus to can buy cheap ins over state lines.
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 1 year ago
@MrSTANDFORAMERICA ~ another conservative who wouldn't know a fact if it was stuck up his ass. 1) cenk never said repubs were for a mandate, this time listen to the vid and not the voices in your head. 2) debtor prisons are on the rise, here's an idea, google it before you make an asinine comment that clearly shows you're clueless. 3) "$1200 a year tax", are you talking about property taxes that pay for trash, water, fire, etc. 4) only a goddamn idiot thinks the war on pot is productive.
tomitstube 1 year ago
@tomitstube Prior to the mid 19th century debtors' prisons were a common way to deal with unpaid debt. Currently, the practice of giving prison sentences for unpaid debts has been eliminated, with a few exceptions such as inability to pay child support and certain taxes. But taxes that deal with tax evasion penalties.
But if you do pay on a car or home and , Credit card However, credit card fraud, that crime which most people associate with ID theft.
Get your facts stright kid.
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 1 year ago
@tomitstube That was his taxes where he lives, mine are about $3000 a year and yes that covers the fire.
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 1 year ago
SUPRISE!!
interstate317 1 year ago
Seems to be a pattern here. Bush lays down his dirty work -- patriot act (wiretapping), wars (Iraq, Afghanistan), bailout (banks). Obama comes in and lays down his dirty work -- patriot act expansion (internet), war expansion (Afghanistan, Pakistan), more bailouts (more banks, health insurance companies, car companies). Then a republican will lay down his dirty work and expand on those policies, and over and over again while the sheeple thinks that their side is worse than the other side lol.
seanlaca 1 year ago
Fuck Obama, that stupid ass corporate controlled slave nigger. Impeach that dumb fuck and give me my vote back.
MaicoMoon 1 year ago
@MaicoMoon considering you did NOT vote for Obama sir you have a damn cheek!
considering you voted for the republican party who did their BEST to fuck up any chance of health care reform,you have a fucking big cheek! now fuck off and die you dried up human with a very small dick!
grahamkeithtodd 1 year ago
@grahamkeithtodd Actually, I did vote for that dumbass nigger, so shut your mouth, dumb shit. He can't change shit and fooled everyone.
MaicoMoon 1 year ago
Return of the "English Poor Laws". Poverty is one of the reasons this country came to be!
hollaboutit 1 year ago
@crashkadara Cops USE VIOLENCE. You can't escape using violence. Violence is necessary. IF you call the cops the cops use violence and you by proxy of calling them have used their violence. Can't escape it.
NoogLeader 1 year ago
Look, even Karl Marx acknowledged that capitalism had its benefits. What we need is a reasonable balance. Don't need to be capable of taking something to stupid extremes for still to be a great idea in moderation.
gavinplaysbass 1 year ago
Cuba spends about $250 per year, per person on health care. Cubans' life expectancy is longer than that of Americans.
USA! USA!
geoff2204 1 year ago
@geoff2204 And they get $250 per year in healthcare. You get what you pay for.
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 1 year ago
GOP ranking in on health insurance? Where do you people dig this crap up at? ..Have you ever tried writing just ONE story that did not say shit about the GOP? This site is so bias it is comical! ...What I mean is...even the most unluckest dog has the sun shine on its ass once in awhile....All this is is liberal socialist bullshit! The same 7,000 people reading this post day after day! This is a cult! Lol
biskitlee 1 year ago
@biskitlee All in time, the future will prove him right or wrong
JAMD456 1 year ago
@biskitlee
They rip on Obama and democrats in like half their videos man. They just criticize politicians who do bad things..... which is USUALLY the GOP but often the democrats as well. The site has a progressive bias but that's not a bias towards any one party. As Stephen Colbert said "reality has a well-known liberal bias"
gavinplaysbass 1 year ago
@biskitlee He actually has a lot of bad things to say about obama
nickn101 1 year ago
@nickn101 The only video Cenk ripped on Obama was because he hadn't forced communism on all Americans yet.
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 1 year ago
@MrSTANDFORAMERICA why don't you actually watch and listen to what he has to say and stop making stupid comments
nickn101 1 year ago
i love how the politicians work for their political parties instead the people, the same ppl who elect them
sschlappkohl 1 year ago
Clueless Cenk
they've switched their bribing because election time is coming... it's time for Tweedledum to step out of office and Tweedledee to step in
Don't you know the routine yet?
CheekyMonkey888 1 year ago
They will pretend they are against the mandate but the "evil democrats made them keep it" and they will repeal everything else. That way they gain maximum political traction.
psyjax 1 year ago
Thank Spaghetti Monster for the NHS.
Saaduk92 1 year ago
The Republican Plan for Health Care is DIE and DIE QUICKLY.
1911arthur 1 year ago 6
@1911arthur Well if you are a progressive/socialist/communist. Yes they need to DIE and DIE QUICKLY.
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 1 year ago
mikerodeman I agree with you, Canada is starting to sound really good rite now
MrVodaknockers5588 1 year ago
@MrVodaknockers5588 Don't let tye border gate slap you in the ass on your way out. Oh and don't come back.
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 1 year ago
I'm Canadian and I have to deal with stupid shit some times with my health care system..but I would NEVER in a million fucking years want to switch to the American system. Who would?
RectorCR 1 year ago
@RectorCR simple old son,morons,dickheads and republicans would....
oh hang on!
they already have done so!
grahamkeithtodd 1 year ago
I've had enough of these fucking dumbass Republican politicians. I'm going to move the hell out of here and move somewhere sensible like Canada or Sweden.
mikerodeman 1 year ago 5
@mikerodeman we will greet you with open arms ^.^
ughzean 1 year ago
...And someone who's uninsurable, such as myself? Well, time to start making plans to flee the country, I guess.... :S
darkridr25 1 year ago
In Stephen King's (pseudonym Richard Bachman) dystopian world of the "The Running Man", people have no heath care, no education except rundown libraries, pollution so bad u get lung cancer at an early age, martial law, the only tv channel is a 24/7 propaganda posted everywhere for free...and on it is a show called the "Running Man" where desperate contestants put there health/lives on the line to get some money...SOUND familiar? We are this close to living in a Stephen King dystopia!?!?!?
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guddaysunshine 1 year ago
The mandate is unequivocally unconstitutional. It's the first time the Federal Government threatened to penalize and individual for not purchasing a good or service from a private corporation. If this stands in the supreme court then welcome fascism cause that's what we've got. A government totally controlled by the corporations.
lestliness 1 year ago
@lestliness can you explain how this isn't exactly like auto insurance?
Bolgernow 1 year ago 20
@Bolgernow Yes I can. First off auto Insurance is regulated by the states not the Federal government. Also it's your choice to drive on public roads. Don't want to pay Auto Insurance? Then don't drive on public roads. Take the bus. Also Auto insurance is for compensating other peoples property if you damage it. For ex.in California you are NOT required to carry auto insurance to protect your property. You ARE required to carry a policy to compensate another persons property. Totally different.
lestliness 1 year ago
@lestliness you are saying driving isn't an option for those who refuse to carry insurance? True, only states control auto insurance law. But before 1945's McCarran-Ferguson Act the Fed ran it too. The Fed got out of it then. Once you get behind ANY vehicle that requires a license, you must have it by law. Failure to produce in upon request is cause for a ticket, & driving without it is also ticketed & fined. Each state laws on this vary. So aside from Fed/State. It's almost the same
Bolgernow 1 year ago 23
@Bolgernow No, what I'm saying is the act of driving is a choice. Unless you want to make an argument that the act of living is a choice then it's not the same thing. Not even close. It's like excise tax vs direct tax.. Yeah they're both taxes but inherently different. It's my choice to buy something that has a tax associated it to it..(excise tax) but it's not my choice whether I pay income tax.. (direct taxt) Understand?
lestliness 1 year ago
@lestliness driving is a choice for a person who lives 40 miles from work with no public close? You might wish to tell that person that? They don't see it as a choice. They see it as mandatory. If they couldn't get someone to car pool with, then no. Not a choice. Aside from the insurance model, let's go federal again. The FDA requires specific standards for food that makers must buy in order to comply to processing proper food. What's the difference in making those standards mandatory?
Bolgernow 1 year ago 15
@Bolgernow I'd be thrilled to tell that person Yep it's a choice. You create your own life. Ride a bike. Get a horse. Move closer to work. Quit your job and start a home business. I don't care how they see it.. It's a choice. I don't get your second point, you're talking about regulatory scheme vs. the Government telling each individual the must buy a service or else?
lestliness 1 year ago
@lestliness so they're not allowed to have a car. Check. They must not conform their life around not owning a car. That's not a choice. That's force. In my FDA, the government is forcing business to adhere to product standards. That means the maker must purchase machines to ensure this at their own cost. Same thing as health insurance. You must have it to meet the standards, but what, how, or which product you buys is your call. Do you see the specific similarities?
Bolgernow 1 year ago 17
@Bolgernow It's your choice to insure a car. It's not a right to have that car on public roads uninsured. I'm a threat to other peoples property by being on that road so I must have proof that I can pay for damages that may occur. If the government can mandate direct to the individual based on the face they're alive, then they can mandate anything and we don't have the choice to opt out. I disagree with your FDA example. out of room to explain . I can see we will remain in disagreement anyway.
lestliness 1 year ago
@lestliness you say "public road". Any road, anywhere even in your driveway you must insured to sit behind the wheel in most states. It's also your choice to get healthcare or not. You get busted without it. It'll cost you. Exact same thing. AGAIN, you must have machines/processes in place to meet FDA standards, but what, how, or which product you buys is your call. Do you see the specific similarities? You seems like an Ayn Randian to me
Bolgernow 1 year ago 18
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tlfettled 1 year ago
@tlfettled IF you can't afford insurance there are many many many ways to get it. Medicade, S-CHIP(for children), The Exchange(cost leveling marketplace to buy quality insurance at below market price rates due to competition), & several other options. They're also cost effective. Due to the new Health Care legislation insurance companies can't deny based on pre-exiting conditions. They also can't drop you once you get sick. It's illegal according to the law. Please read the bill. Thanks
Bolgernow 1 year ago 12
@Bolgernow FYI-- in 2009 i had a close relative which had no other choice but to apply for medicade ,
The medicade application had at the time what you could call a property release waver.
Property release waver is where the state goes to probate court after the applicant dies and takes posession of assets to recover the cost of the person's health care to put funds back into the coffers for medicade.
In 2009 the cap was $60,000 a year for one years coverage via this instance.
tlfettled 1 year ago
@tlfettled which state did they apply for Medicade in? THAT had a lot to do with it. Medicade is a Federal run program that is also controlled by the state. For example in Alabama, they use medicade for the elderly & mentally unable. I live in Illinois, & have never seen anything on the application that would require a "property release waiver". Medicade is when you make below the poverty line $ to gain health coverage. It's like asking a blind man to "please read lines 1 & 2"
Bolgernow 1 year ago 12
@Bolgernow Thank you for your insights. I now see, as a healthy and poor individual, how much better it is that I should be forced to pay more for a good I can't afford, in order to subsidize the costs of a population that is 70+% overweight and obese, 25% smokers, and millions of whom are addicted to prescription and illicit drugs. Thanks dems, I really thought I had something going with this concern over my personal health, but I guess I'll just shoot up some cheeseburgers instead!
thereinliestherib 1 year ago
@thereinliestherib aside from red herrings & partisan sarcasm against progressive Dems, I didn't see any facts in your post...
Bolgernow 1 year ago 12
@Bolgernow If you need help with reading, I seriously don't suggest soliciting it via youtube comments. If you need help getting up from the couch, instead of lazing around like a pile of garbage, along with the majority of 21st century Americans, then I'll hand you an amicus brief of my 14th amendment before I'll lend you a dollar of insurance money.
thereinliestherib 1 year ago
@thereinliestherib ah yes, more insults with ZERO facts. The legislation already passed in March of 2010, so you debating the merits of it is moot. Perhaps try a brick wall?
Bolgernow 1 year ago 10
@Bolgernow Jesus, read the comments dude! HC stocks skyrocketed on the passage of the democrat's insurance-mandate "reform" bill. Likewise, HC contributions to democrats in '09 far outstripped contr. to any other candidates (and far be it from the media to have dutifully reported it)... so, we're all just supposed to accept a patently unconstitutional pile of entitlements and interest-pandering, without so much as a whimper? Have a nice trip!
thereinliestherib 1 year ago
@thereinliestherib they did not "skyrocket". This past summer the DOW slumped VERY hard. You have no rational argument. Here is your wall *Brick Wall* Goodbye
Bolgernow 1 year ago 10
@Bolgernow The fact that they did skyrocket (which they did, and you're a liar) in spite of a recession, speaks volumes. What does the overall behavior of the DOW have to do, directly with a specific set of companies? Honestly, if you believe you have an answer to this question, then go get your SEC license and become the world's greatest stock broker. Ever.
thereinliestherib 1 year ago
@thereinliestherib oh, are you still here? You said, "What does the overall behavior of the DOW have to do, directly with a specific set of companies?". *Takes hands & covers face* Holy fuck buddy, that's EXACTLY WHAT THE DOW IS. It is an industrial AVERAGE formula which includes 30 companies. Out of the 30, 5 are Pharmaceuticals & insurance. How do you not seriously injure yourself getting out of bed?
Bolgernow 1 year ago 10
@Bolgernow I have 30 apples. This has been a bad year, and many of the apples are not very good. However, of my 30 apples, I have 5 very good apples. With this information, can you please pick out the good apples, without looking in my apple bushel?
My god it's true--all the math teachers in this country need a good lashing.
thereinliestherib 1 year ago
@thereinliestherib you have 30 apples. This summer ALL 30 apples were bad. Not 23, 24, or 28. ALL. I watched the DOW everyday this summer from April-August. We investing a large sum. We lost a lot. Now those gains are coming back. What you are saying doesn't match with the financial facts. Wellpoint & BCBS always do well, true, but even they feel the sting when people choose between keeping the house, or healthcare, they pick the house...
Bolgernow 1 year ago 9
@Bolgernow People like you make me laugh--and cry, at the same time. In typical liberal fashion, you're deducing distributions and individual outcomes based on averages, when you cannot deduce anything of the sort from an AVERAGE alone, moron!
John has one peso. Pedro has dos. Juanito is a cartel, and has a million. You: "According to the average, each person has about 300,000 pesos... and lastly, dur-ta-drrrrrr!"
thereinliestherib 1 year ago
@thereinliestherib people like you are Tea Bagging troll who are literally immune from facts, reality, & logic. Enjoy your Ayn Randian Objectivist world of ignorance & hate. I'm done with you buddy...
Bolgernow 1 year ago 9
@Bolgernow Ironically, all you've done is spouted talking points about mythical "tea baggers" ("pluralists"?), instead of offering up any actual facts to counter my own. But the facts still stand that a bill which singlehandedly sends the working and healthy to the jaws of the industry is the direct result of 1) an insanely unhealthy country 2) outrageously disproportionate contributions to dem's from HC companies in '09. There's some simple math even you might understand.
thereinliestherib 1 year ago
@Bolgernow Just curious. Why are 47 million Americans uninsured?
donatord 1 year ago
@donatord that's a pretty open ended question with many reasons for the answer. Some are indigent & can't afford insurance. Some are choosing between the mortgage payment/school/kids ect in favor of it. Some can not find coverage because of pre-existing conditions. Some have been dropped from coverage. Some don't get it because they are not sick yet. Many reasons, but all hurt the market when they need service. They drive all our rates up...
Bolgernow 1 year ago 5
@Bolgernow And of course, the fact that half of your fellow countrymen can't even see their toes over their bellies has nothing at all to do with health costs, or why others are prevented from affording a good they would otherwise.
thereinliestherib 1 year ago
@thereinliestherib "my" fellow countrymen? Preventative healthcare is just one area that can help, true, but it's not the root causes of high insurance rates...
Bolgernow 1 year ago 7
@Bolgernow What a load. Please tell me how "preventative healthcare" helps the guy who goes in for diabetes treatment, only to come out and buy a cheeseburger for lunch. Oh what's that? The industry and doctors make lots of money off "preventative treatment"? The ones who gave the dems lots of money to force others to pay for these "treatments"? You don't say!
thereinliestherib 1 year ago
@thereinliestherib why are you such a loud lousy GOP/Tea Tard partisan hack?
Bolgernow 1 year ago 5
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@Bolgernow "why are you such a loud lousy GOP/Tea Tard partisan hack?"
Neat. The best part is this statement is utterly lacking in substance, except as tacit admission that you can't counterargue the point, but must descend to ad hominems.
thereinliestherib 1 year ago
@Bolgernow GOP/Tea Tard partisan hack: (n.) 1. Anyone who contradicts the self-justifying Left. 2) A problematic person beholden to the constitutional principle of personal autonomy and responsibility, often demonstrating areas where the Left selectively abandons this principle. 3) Someone who makes arguments to which emotivist trolls can't respond, and thus, revert to shallow ad hominems against anonymous people they don't even know.
thereinliestherib 1 year ago
@thereinliestherib Tea Tard-A person who lets opportunist Republicans use the tea party movement for their own ends. A politically naive conservative who is easily influenced. Attacks like: "If you need help getting up from the couch, instead of lazing around like a pile of garbage", "And of course, the fact that half of your fellow countrymen can't even see their toes over their bellies", or "The ones who gave the dems lots of money to force others". All lies, all attacks. Shut up
Bolgernow 1 year ago 4
@Bolgernow Lies? 70% of the population is obese or overweight--is that a lie? Is a 25% smoking rate a lie? Don't dump your problems on me dude, take them up with ALL current health statistics. HC costs in this country have risen in direct proportion with the drastic decline in American health, yet folks like you can't make the logical connection. Probably because it is overwhelmingly statistically unlikely that you are unhealthy and can't stand being held accountable to the fact.
thereinliestherib 1 year ago
@thereinliestherib what population? The US? Europe? If US, according to the CDC the %age of adults age 20 years and over who are obese: 34% (2009-2010) while the %age of adults age 20 years and over who are overweight (and not obese) is also 34%. You're full of shit, so bother someone else with your Ayn Rand Objectivist Atlas Shrugged BS...
Bolgernow 1 year ago 3
@Bolgernow Thanks for making my point. Obesity is over a third and skyrocketing; thrown in those who are overweight, and the number jumps to over 70%, well over the majority of the population. Exactly like I said. If you'd read. This means that if you're healthy, you are in one of the smallest minorities of the country, where the unhealthy majority writes the HC laws. Remind me: did anyone complain when a certain smoker/drinker executive signed this BS insurance mandate bill into law???
thereinliestherib 1 year ago
@thereinliestherib you are insane, & incapable of reading my posts. Go away kid, you bother me. Oh, & aside from seeking mental help, you might also take a basic statistics class so you understand what %ages fucking mean. 34% IS WITH THOSE WHO ARE OVERWEIGHT THROWN IN. In statistics, you don't ADD those two groups together, because many are already in BOTH
Bolgernow 1 year ago 6
@Bolgernow "many are already in BOTH"
Uh, sorry dude, they're separate medical categories: obesity 34%; overweight 35%+; together, 70%+. And yes, I'm the one who needs mental help because of all these CAPITAL! LETTERS! and because of the fact that I'M the one who got blocked from someone else's page for spewing obscenity instead of calmly refuting an argument with objectivity. Yep, I'm "that" guy...
thereinliestherib 1 year ago
@thereinliestherib ha! You've clearly never taken a statistics class. You have ZERO objectivity buddy. You're a Tea Tard Ayn Rand nutjob. Enjoy your world, & stay classy! You get no more attention from me troll...
Bolgernow 1 year ago 3
@Bolgernow "... because I'm embarrassed that you just exposed my statistical error in conflating 'obesity' and 'overweight' conditions. And I have nothing but nonsense with which to rebut your arguments."
Well said. Adios.
thereinliestherib 1 year ago
@Bolgernow the root of the problem needs addressing, not the effect. you in the usa have the highest income tax rates on the planet, and for that you have to provide youre own healthcare, yous have to pay to be healthy so yous can earn youre govt more money. many of you USA peeps will wake up when it is too late....
magnusalexa 1 month ago
@magnusalexa it's a bit odd to post with someone a year later after the conversation, but that's cool. Um, what do you see as the "root problem" with relation to Health Care? Also you seem to making an argument against all taxation. Not a reasonable position as it ignores our Social Contract. BTW in the UK you also pay taxes to central government (HM Revenue and Customs) & local government. Just like our Federal & State
Bolgernow 1 month ago
@Bolgernow IF you can afford the insurance and if the insurance company does not deny your health care once you enter the hospital!!!
Few key issues you need to include in your statement!
tlfettled 1 year ago
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You just repeated the same thing as above except added "and if the insurance company does not deny your health care once you enter the hospital!!!". That makes no sense, it's called a Red Herring because no one is suggesting it will ever happen. It won't because it can't. Insurance companies can not drop you for being sick, pre-existing conditions, or just cause. It's illegal according to the new Health Care law
Bolgernow 1 year ago 9
@Bolgernow
"so they're not allowed to have a car.."
You don't know anybody who doesn't own a car and I don't mean under-aged kids?
I know many, and they choose not to for many different reasons.
allgoo19 1 year ago
@allgoo19 I personally don't own a car. But I have all other family members who do, & if they didn't would ruin their lives at getting to work as it's not near public. While I wish everyone thought or did things like I did. I accept they do not. Needs are not always wants. The issue to me is my FDA example. Businesses must have machines/processes in place to meet FDA standards, but what, how, or which product they buy is your call. Do you see the specific similarities?
Bolgernow 1 year ago 11
@Bolgernow
"I personally don't own a car. But .."
Here you go. You can't aford one is a good reason not to own a car and nobody forcing you to. You just have to think about the way to get around it.
Regardless of reason, you are not paying auto insurance, by choice.
"Do you see the specific similarities?"
No.
allgoo19 1 year ago
@allgoo19 what? Who said I can't afford one? You did. Sadly we can, BUT LIVE IN THE CITY. By choice, no? By geography with reason? Yes. You honestly don't know me buddy. If you did, we might have more in common. The reason you do not see similarities is because you're a Randian. An objectivist. Get it, fine. But don't make others subscribe to your insane non-reality based BS. Thanks
Bolgernow 1 year ago 7
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@Bolgernow
"what? Who said I can't afford .."
Why should I know you? I'm only trying to figure you out from what you said. I told you, "regardless of reason", you choose not to own a car, so not to buy insurance. You choose to live in the city while nobody forcing you to, which is relatively easier livig car free than some other places.
"The reason you do not see.."
You can't make a sense of health care insurance using example of business regualation.
allgoo19 1 year ago
@Bolgernow
"I honestly believe you're insane. Enjoy your Randian life. Please leave the rest of us out of it.." (All your message will be posted here. Don't watse your time sending it to me.)
Had run out of reasoning your point?
You haven't explained your point, "Having a car is not a choice." Then you say you don't have a car(neither insurance).
Aren't you trying to prove the opposite?
Believe it or not, I'm trying to understand you but I'm having a hard time.
allgoo19 1 year ago
@Bolgernow
From what i have read , total coverage per year will be dropped to $5000.00 a year per individual instead of the $60,000.00 !
Correct me if i have read this incorrectly.
tlfettled 1 year ago
@tlfettled what are you directly speaking to here? What insurance companies will "cover" an individual for, or what people pay out? Not sure I follow you. Legally with this passed law Companies can not drop you for pre-existing conditions. They also can not drop coverage for no reason. That is now against the law.
Bolgernow 1 year ago 4
I don't know who to vote for both rep and dem suck
Faza187 1 year ago
@Faza187 Don't then. I probably won't. I feel my vote will probably end up doing more harm then good.
dreadred92 1 year ago
I tell you the truth after 2 years of research,
Republicans are bought 100 percent.
Democrats 65 %
so you pick the lesser evil.
No one in their right mind are going to contribute to a politician
without getting any influence, how dumb can people be
I mean only Bill Gates can afford to loose money,
all the others want influence.
izaccy 1 year ago 6
@izaccy Vote 3rd party yar
Xerxes4242 1 year ago
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@Xerxes4242
"Vote 3rd party yar.."
That's where the dilemma is at.
They don't win, so it ends up the same as not voting at all.
allgoo19 1 year ago
simplicity is dead.
Ghazzawi9 1 year ago
Let's not forget how much they love the fact that taxes will subsidize insurance premiums and how tax dollars will super-subsidize insurance pools for people with serious health issues. I wonder if there is some way they could get government to pay private insurance companies to administer Medicare and Medicaid? Without taking any of the risks of course!
zthustra 1 year ago
O America..... Your so fucked..... O Well I don't Live there.
Lacosanostra699 1 year ago
Rep. Weiner was essentially correct: the Republican party is a "wholly owned subsidiary" of the Republican party. I suspect that if the "Tea Party" crowd's funding were traced, it originates with the insurance industry.
shaneu1 1 year ago
UK has health care for EVERYONE! Ha ha America. Your own stubbornness on how Capitalism is always right means that you can't admit that 100% Capitalism isn't right and some socialist aspects are needed in society.
TheRorySteel 1 year ago 124
@TheRorySteel Its kind of hard to have true capitalism with a socialist president. If they let the system work like it should with no corruption, we could all afford our own healthcare. Hows that european union working out for you brits? Gotta love having no say in the laws youre forced to follow, made by people who arent elected by you or anyone. You retards dont even know when youre being screwed. At least we do. And were about to rectify the situation in our elections this november.
athiog 1 year ago
@athiog Canada is doing great, and the Euro is still stronger then our dollar. I wouldn't go bashing other countries man. We are begging for money from China at a ridiculous rate. We are not in as good of shape vs the rest of the world as you may think. No offense by the way.
ram8704 1 year ago 3
@ram8704 Well seeing how the federal reserve is on a mission to totally collapse the dollar of course we are in bad shape. Just look at greece, a member of the EU correct? Worked great for them huh? When we abolish the fed and go back to a debt free monetary system, then we can get our country back. As long as bankers rule the world, and they do, no country is safe, including China. The bankers created the EU, and control the currencies, and can make them look as strong or weak as they want.
athiog 1 year ago
@athiog
You aren't serious are you?. . . Please say you're trolling. . . Nobody can really be this fucking idiotic.
manhunt48 1 year ago 3
@manhunt48 Really? Im idiotic? And you have a video of your parakeet singing a final fantasy song..... Grow up kid and pick up a real book, not the TV guide. Educate yourself on how bankers rule the world by controlling currency values. Then, maybe your insight will be worth reading. Till then good luck beating final fantasy! Maybe join the real world, and teach yourself something instead of your parakeet how to sing video game songs.....k thanks bye.
athiog 1 year ago
@athiog
Yep i was right, you are. . . Because some how according you liking final fantasy = idiotic. Also you have to be a fucking idiot if you actually think the TV guide is the only thing i read. Either that or you have utterly no sense of humour, which one is it?
Grow the fuck will you, and go stick your conspiracy theory bullshit up your arse.
manhunt48 1 year ago
@athiog
"Really? Im idiotic?.."
Yes.
allgoo19 1 year ago
@allgoo19 Who the fuck asked you? If I want any lip out of you I'll pull out my cock.
athiog 1 year ago
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@athiog
"Who the fuck asked you? If I want any lip out of you I'll pull out my cock.."
You don't decide if you are idiot or not, but only can be decided by other people.
I just gave you a little help. ^_^
allgoo19 1 year ago
@manhunt48 sorry, many can, sadly
moestietabarnak 1 year ago
@athiog strangely the only people beening screwed are the American public!
here in Canada(where i now live) and the UK(where i used to live) we have a damn good health care system! unlike your lot down south!
as for rectifing it in Novermenr,your going to vote out the very people who tried to give you all a fair chance of health care and go back to the crappy system you had before!
only in amercian people! land of the terminily dim and dumb!
grahamkeithtodd 1 year ago
@grahamkeithtodd Actually the system they want to implement is not good for us. It was written by the health insurance companies, and when was the last time an insurance company did anything in the best interest of policy holders? Never. And if your system is so good, why do alot of your citizens still come here for healthcare? Its because of competition, it equals better care. And you have a FREE system, we would have to pay for it. So how is that good? Please explain.
athiog 1 year ago
@TheRorySteel
That will all change in the Palin World Order! President Palin WILL change the NHC into the SUPERIOR American capitalist system.
ecwaufisxtreme 1 year ago
@ecwaufisxtreme. CANADA has the best HC in the world.
cne08 1 year ago
@cne08
BULLSHIT! Canada's system SUCKS just like Europe. America has the BEST healthcare system! Even Taiwan's "utopian" system is an EPIC FAIL for Taiwanese men like Chinese men HAVE PUSSIES!
ecwaufisxtreme 1 year ago
@ecwaufisxtreme WHO says USA 37
Canada 31
pokeyugi13 1 year ago
@ecwaufisxtreme.Canada's HC system sucks? Whatever you say crackhead. BTW it'd be nice if just once you provided proof for what you say. You know like pot being more dangerous than alcohol. I've challenged you time and time again to prove that and you haven't and you know why? Because you can't because what you say is crap. Nobody's died from using pot but lots of people including my birthmother died as a result of alcohl. She was killed by a drunkdriver.
cne08 1 year ago 2
@TheRorySteel Some of us realize this. Unfortunately, critical thinking is a rare trait in this country.
r31ncarnat3d 1 year ago 3
@TheRorySteel oh if only u can talk to my econ teacher, he believes in capitalism over all, and says countries like urs with socialized medicine is horrible and everyone in ur countries is wishing for american heath care, u would blow his mind lol
onslaught147 1 year ago
@onslaught147 ld son i for one would LOVE to meet your idiot teacher..i was under the impression that teachers where ment to be smart,
but your one seems to have got his job because of all the repuclian dicks he has sucked!
grahamkeithtodd 1 year ago
@TheRorySteel Is the UK an all out Social program or a hybrid like France?
lestliness 1 year ago