Really? Really? Some Christian took a movie, where they found a violent creature, who claimed to have many faces, who had been imprisoned at the center of the galaxy for an eternity, who was impersonating God, and they made an alternate ending where this creature got what he wanted? That wasn't supposed to have been your God, that was heavily implied to be your Devil, you just celebrated your Devil's escape from his prison.
The two deceptions. One the False Jesus Christ with his evil aliens is okay with all any Sin and wants the people in the City of Sin to take the verichip microchip for money transaction and supposed body transformation. The other deception people get taken to the Holy wilderness where The Fake Yahweh tells them that he & his son Jesus love Sanctity, dislike all Sin & to obey his son Jesus Christ & take microchip made by Yahweh blessed by Jesus & shaped by his angels. Not doing so is Sinful act!
Oh shit, the being calling himslef 'God' with many faces just transported the Enterprise crew to a fucking jungle somewhere in the galaxy, and then huge roman script floated infront of my view...... What a FUCKED ending!
When Gene came up with STAR TREK he created a "FRAME" around the story & the "crew". This allowed professional Writers to then add to that frame. I think it was Theodore Sturgeon who came up with the Vulcan "Peace & Long Life..." Nimoy added the "Vulcan hand greeting" from what he saw as a boy during a Jewish religious service. I like Shatner but this film was a bore. There was one part, that to me was an "inside joke for those who knew what Carl Sagan had to do with the Pioneer 10/11".
@ClipHunter4 It actually is a real bad story! Since when did Spock have a half brother? I have quite a few books dealing with writing stories (Ben Bova, Isaac Asimov among others); MAJOR TENANT of writing a story is do not cheat the "reader". There are those who "complain" that if they are only to follow what format has been developed in a story series that limits "their creative process"...All it actually means they are not "creative enough. The 1st #5 and the last ST films lack vision.
The ending is good the way they had it ... And the budget ran out, to do a proper 'Kirk running from the rock people and escaping into the ship' ending, they wanted to do. It amazes me people who don't get the point - A starship maybe COULD have helped God off the planet easier, maybe ... but this "God" is selfish, and self-centered to the core .. which God is NOT. Also God wouldn't be stranded on a desolate planet, at the edge of the universe in the first place! He's GOD, for goodness sakes
I LOVE IT I LOVE IT I LOVE IT. IT'S MY FAVORITE SCENE AND I LOVE THE ALTERNATE ENDING!!!!
I can't stop laughing!!!!! Because it was so GOOOOOOD!!!!! I was not expecting to see the final scene of Megiddo but it works perfectly!!!! Bless you for giving me a good laugh.
Note: I believe in the Chariots and Wheels in a Wheel.
May be.....this happen in many thousand years ago....and somehow....humans were back to stone age again....(one of infinite posibilities in the universe)
Nope Full Phaser and Photon Torpedos should finish this clown off for sure! Besides NORAD would never let any critter claiming it is god from entering US airspace---the USAF would just wax its ass back to where it had come from!
This is actualy a blend of two movies. Star Trek with the energy being (Satan?) but the bible verse is from a movie called 'Meghetto' (sp?) which was a Christian film production. Personaly I wonder if maybe the being they encountered was an imprisoned Q perhaps or something similar?
I thought this was offensive. The being transporting himself to the Enterprise was cool, but the Bible verse being used in relation to this is not right.
It's worth remembering that the entity trapped in the Great Barrier is some kind of evil advanced life form and not obviously God or anyone's particular idea of God. What would be more interesting is wondering who put this life form in this prison. If you can summon up the interest after watching ST TFF to even care about any of this.
This was funny, but damned if this universe is going to be ruled by some douchebag who thought rape victims should marry their rapist and who wipes his ass with his hands.
@JustPhilNY Well its not about what God needs. Its what he uses. We don't need a TV remote to turn the channel yet we create 1 for convenience. We don't need vehicles we can walk. Of course, when ur God u can do what u want.
But the bible does seem to elude that God and his angels use chariots of fire or Wheels in the middle of a wheel. Does God need these things. No, but does he need heaven? Does he need to create? Does he need to exist? Theres more to God then the spiritual.
I'm finding it quite chucklesome that some atheists are seeing this as Christian propaganda, whilst theists are appreciating it for what it is... a tongue-in-cheek laugh. Come on guys, get over your religious "daddy issues" and lighten up. On the other hand, I bet there are some daft fundies who are questioning the dubious eschatologicaly. Come on... whether you believe or not, lets admit we can all appreciate humour.
Not so much an alternate ending as christian propaganda. Silly me, I thought they might have actually shot an alternate ending and was curious to see it.
I thought the Klingons killed "god." At least we know that all it takes is a photon torpedo or a couple disruptor blasts and the universe will finally be at peace. Maybe then I can buy beer after midnight on Sundays.
Editing. . .assuming that the book of Exodus was written by Moses as an eyewitness account. .I reckon the "loud voice" that Israel heard 3000 years ago coming from Mount Sinai was pretty close to what is heard on this video!
We will never know what they were thinking on when they made this film now rather Sybock is shown in the new Star Trek to be released in May of 2009 that is another story. So really its just a sci-fi film because it was the beginning of running out of ideas of sequels and prequels, and most of all remakes.
And that didn't make much sense back then (the disruptor/torpedo). Originally Kirk was to be alone and chased by and endless legion of rock golems, free-hand climbing up a mountain to try to escape them, and fighting them off with a hand phaser. When it was utterly hopeless, the Klingon ship was to appear and mow down the golems.
this film is only decent.. the idea and concept is very interesting.. and the music is excellent.. but the plot holes are so huge you could fly a Saturn 5 through it!
lol funny sept that wasnt god that was some energy being trapped for obvious reasons, he wants to rule people like tyrant, notice he asks about the ship cause it broke through the barrier, he wants to escape
Really? Really? Some Christian took a movie, where they found a violent creature, who claimed to have many faces, who had been imprisoned at the center of the galaxy for an eternity, who was impersonating God, and they made an alternate ending where this creature got what he wanted? That wasn't supposed to have been your God, that was heavily implied to be your Devil, you just celebrated your Devil's escape from his prison.
Sairin13 3 days ago
Booooooooooriiiiiiiiiiiiing.....
ngobleus 3 months ago
what was the "god" thing
banannafreak4eva 6 months ago
From bad to worse. Make it stop! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!
jdogg67333 6 months ago
So why did it only take them a few days to get to the center of the galaxy yet it took Voyager like what? 9 years to get back to the alpha quadrant
TheRhinehart86 6 months ago
How to make a bad film worse.
gibbo501 6 months ago
wonder what would happen if Q was here
heavyweaponsguy153 8 months ago
What is the name of the music in the background?
DigitalSky83 8 months ago
@DigitalSky83 A Busy Man can watch is here watch?v=V5lsVuPy5us
xox1011 8 months ago
@xox1011
link did not come up?
DigitalSky83 8 months ago
@DigitalSky83 yeah you have to add the youtube part of the link, as you can't post links in comments
xox1011 8 months ago
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@DigitalSky83 A Busy Man, can watch it here watch?v=V5lsVuPy5us
xox1011 8 months ago
A real jesus god? Now THAT'S what I call science fiction!
davidls11 9 months ago
this was a terrible movie.
freehal 10 months ago
Why is it that your stupid god can't figure out what a starship is and why does he need to ask so many questions
tgz5001 10 months ago
The two deceptions. One the False Jesus Christ with his evil aliens is okay with all any Sin and wants the people in the City of Sin to take the verichip microchip for money transaction and supposed body transformation. The other deception people get taken to the Holy wilderness where The Fake Yahweh tells them that he & his son Jesus love Sanctity, dislike all Sin & to obey his son Jesus Christ & take microchip made by Yahweh blessed by Jesus & shaped by his angels. Not doing so is Sinful act!
EasySavedEternalLife 10 months ago
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yt12213 10 months ago
lol. So which one was Adam or Eve?
euromellows 11 months ago
lmfao thumbs up for the randomness of it all
Cmontferrat 11 months ago
God used to drive a Pinto so he figured he'd jack a starship and make his way to Vegas for the weekend
WhoIsThePumaman 1 year ago
what the fuck lol
StopFlaggingVideos 1 year ago
I always hated throw-away endings in movies.
They make G-d look like Moses, sort of.
This is obviously not "christian" or would have had to show 3 persons as G-d instead of just one.
You will not in the movies, even the christian-leaning ones, they never portray a triune, 3-person G-d. G-d is always just one person.
LovingScrubbies 1 year ago
@LovingScrubbies
a) If you'd watched the actual movie, you'd know that that's just a being pretending to be God.
b) No, ST isn't Christian. It's made by an atheist, but several characters on the show do believe in God.
c) Even in the Bible, people would see God as only one person. He manifests himself however he wants.
d) Shut up and enjoy the hilarious alternate ending!
stitch99 1 year ago
@stitch99
a) LOL I knew that.
b & c) I was actually taking a dig at trinitarians, not at movie ppl.
d) repsorp dna gnol evil
LovingScrubbies 1 year ago
@LovingScrubbies
.efil gnol dna ecaep
stitch99 1 year ago
@stitch99 Correct! I'm god and I'm on the internets watching you troll.
piratesephiroth 1 year ago
Oh shit, the being calling himslef 'God' with many faces just transported the Enterprise crew to a fucking jungle somewhere in the galaxy, and then huge roman script floated infront of my view...... What a FUCKED ending!
TheTyrantRaptor 1 year ago
Just awful
REALLY AWFUL
Why would God need a starship? Come on EditingRoom3!
SirKalon 1 year ago
Alright, where's Morgan Freeman hiding?
RevImhotep 1 year ago
oh boy the christians even ruin star trek !!!
TheDEATHSTARIII 1 year ago
When Gene came up with STAR TREK he created a "FRAME" around the story & the "crew". This allowed professional Writers to then add to that frame. I think it was Theodore Sturgeon who came up with the Vulcan "Peace & Long Life..." Nimoy added the "Vulcan hand greeting" from what he saw as a boy during a Jewish religious service. I like Shatner but this film was a bore. There was one part, that to me was an "inside joke for those who knew what Carl Sagan had to do with the Pioneer 10/11".
rangeclerk 1 year ago
@ClipHunter4 It actually is a real bad story! Since when did Spock have a half brother? I have quite a few books dealing with writing stories (Ben Bova, Isaac Asimov among others); MAJOR TENANT of writing a story is do not cheat the "reader". There are those who "complain" that if they are only to follow what format has been developed in a story series that limits "their creative process"...All it actually means they are not "creative enough. The 1st #5 and the last ST films lack vision.
rangeclerk 1 year ago
All that's missing is the Hallelujah chorus.
stitch99 1 year ago
The ending is good the way they had it ... And the budget ran out, to do a proper 'Kirk running from the rock people and escaping into the ship' ending, they wanted to do. It amazes me people who don't get the point - A starship maybe COULD have helped God off the planet easier, maybe ... but this "God" is selfish, and self-centered to the core .. which God is NOT. Also God wouldn't be stranded on a desolate planet, at the edge of the universe in the first place! He's GOD, for goodness sakes
Padarack1 1 year ago
I LOVE IT I LOVE IT I LOVE IT. IT'S MY FAVORITE SCENE AND I LOVE THE ALTERNATE ENDING!!!!
I can't stop laughing!!!!! Because it was so GOOOOOOD!!!!! I was not expecting to see the final scene of Megiddo but it works perfectly!!!! Bless you for giving me a good laugh.
Note: I believe in the Chariots and Wheels in a Wheel.
MinWilliamJosephWWM 1 year ago
Pathetic twat.
john683011 1 year ago
how pathetic!
YitzchokFreed 1 year ago
It sucks to be a christian ; Star Trek doesn't help.
becomepostal 1 year ago
@becomepostal What? Im going to favorite this.
MinWilliamJosephWWM 1 year ago
LMAO.....
May be.....this happen in many thousand years ago....and somehow....humans were back to stone age again....(one of infinite posibilities in the universe)
Kalateya 1 year ago
Great splicing and I found no offense in it. I recognize the last part, from the movie "Megiddo". One of my favorite Christian films.
14DaveHunter 1 year ago
@14DaveHunter I thought it was great!
MinWilliamJosephWWM 1 year ago
YOU HAVE NOT ANSWERED HIS QUESTION WHAT DOES GOD NEED WITH A STARSHIP? WHAT DOES GOD NEED WITH MONEY FOR? SAME PRINICPALS APPLY!
MrKittrider2000 1 year ago
lol. This is so ridiculous, it's hilarious!
The0d0r1c 1 year ago
Your God can be killed by klingon disruptor fire.
NecronAbyss 1 year ago
Good thing it's just a movie.
YoungTeufelhunden 1 year ago
@YoungTeufelhunden Yes... God forbid there is really a God
Worried about some things you have done perhaps?
SWEP2AOTC2002 1 year ago
@SWEP2AOTC2002 your god is fake and gay
Ethrealfox 1 year ago
There probably is no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy life.
GalacticGargleBlasta 1 year ago
@GalacticGargleBlasta then where did EVERYTHING come from?
SWEP2AOTC2002 1 year ago
@SWEP2AOTC2002 from your moms vagina
Ethrealfox 1 year ago
Lame.
Grospoliner 1 year ago
The voice effects are possibly a good reconstruction of how God's voice probably sounds. .
yastunt 1 year ago
Are you kidding?
wandererlain 1 year ago
How destroy someone with a face that big ?
This is so bad, it must be from a Chick tract - BWAHAHAHAHAHA !!!
5355vbxjbj76rvn 1 year ago
I half expected to see Zordon from power rangers
Tallon911uk 1 year ago 6
Nope Full Phaser and Photon Torpedos should finish this clown off for sure! Besides NORAD would never let any critter claiming it is god from entering US airspace---the USAF would just wax its ass back to where it had come from!
rangeclerk 2 years ago 2
ok...?
Indabaz 2 years ago
George Murdock also played Lt. Scanlon on Barney Miller.
wmh2008 2 years ago
The god do not need a starship.
This man is not a god.
This man is a bad alien.
Let's destroy this man with a photon torpedo.
JapanIdeaman 2 years ago 9
does anyone recognize the actor portraying "god" in this scene?
Hawkeman67 2 years ago
It is George Murdock, who has been in many shows. He was the doctor on the original Battlestar Galactica.
TrevWks 2 years ago
also as Admiral Hanson in STTNG "The Best of Both Worlds"
Hawkeman67 2 years ago
ha yea really
FPRINTNLINC 2 years ago
there is only one question we have to ask our selves "what does god want with a starship?"
heavyweaponsguy153 2 years ago 3
And furthermore, how does he not know what a starship is?
evrbody 2 years ago 2
Best ending ever ( the original ending I mean).
Napalmreaper 2 years ago
if god ejaculated, you'd find another universe
not star trek music and credits
derrderr420 2 years ago
1:28 It's like he's ejaculating.
MrLazy27 2 years ago 2
It was almost worth watching that shite to laugh at your comment! =D
WhiteHawkUK 2 years ago
Idk how offencive I find this but I know I didn't find it at all funny.
AlienRandall 2 years ago
But you gotta admit. Only Kirk would ask what would God need with a starship. Classic!
Tony211169 2 years ago 3
Haha yea I agree.
captainbossi 2 years ago
This is actualy a blend of two movies. Star Trek with the energy being (Satan?) but the bible verse is from a movie called 'Meghetto' (sp?) which was a Christian film production. Personaly I wonder if maybe the being they encountered was an imprisoned Q perhaps or something similar?
Logan487 2 years ago
I thought this was offensive. The being transporting himself to the Enterprise was cool, but the Bible verse being used in relation to this is not right.
psxwarrior 2 years ago
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God is more lame then this movie,,, and just as lazy
1701patrick 2 years ago
It's worth remembering that the entity trapped in the Great Barrier is some kind of evil advanced life form and not obviously God or anyone's particular idea of God. What would be more interesting is wondering who put this life form in this prison. If you can summon up the interest after watching ST TFF to even care about any of this.
dafmurray 2 years ago
The ST:TNG book Q Continuum trilogy of books actually touches on this very thing. It may not be solid cannon, but it was a good read. :)
eqfan592 2 years ago
Maybe the race that created it put it there
RaynorX 2 years ago
@dafmurray It's worth remembering that there is a reason these are called "alternate endings."
It's hilarious how many people this has offended. "Moreover, that materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door."
SCE2AUX 1 year ago
Gee you think it would be more scientific. What a way to end a Star Trek movie...with theism...ugh
reefguy15 2 years ago
I concur. Totally serious theism. Just a god botherer. no humour at all. How tedious.
dorianleakey 2 years ago
I remember ths bullshit. I think. Since when did Joel Osteen start producing movies.
Donkeyhawk 2 years ago
star trek the final frontier .... the faggot ending....
leehyphen2athotmail 2 years ago
Not as funny as the TVH one, but hilarious nonetheless! Props!
OneGyT 2 years ago
Nah.
Guy was piss'n his pants last time his chosen people were attacked by guys with iron chariots!
Also, what does God need with a starship?
Lihinel 2 years ago 2
@Lihinel "Also, what does God need with a starship?" What did God need with Noah, Moses, Job, Jeremiah, David, Solomon...
SCE2AUX 1 year ago
@SCE2AUX - Flawed analogy; those are people ... not something that transports you somewhere
Padarack1 1 year ago
Take that Atheism! XD
EchoBoomer1987 2 years ago
what...the....fuck
Garrot10 2 years ago 25
The ending was from a movie called Meggido.
YoungTeufelhunden 2 years ago
Hahahaha, awesome. I remember watching this movie as a kid and being like "What the.....???"
ArranoGris 2 years ago
???
This was funny, but damned if this universe is going to be ruled by some douchebag who thought rape victims should marry their rapist and who wipes his ass with his hands.
highwind8124 2 years ago 3
You have not answered our question: "What does God need with a starship?"
JustPhilNY 2 years ago 22
Epic fail on god's side. God can't even traverse the universe like the lowly mortals on the Enterprise.
DragonlordWarlock 2 years ago
Still, how can the Enterprise get to the center of the galaxy in a few days?
JustPhilNY 2 years ago
I bet Janeway wouldnt have minded Kirks Enterprise.
coyran 2 years ago 2
"The Lord your God wishes to have fun messing with some Scientologists. Trust in me, o ye of little faith. This shalt be awesome."
duskwalker2 2 years ago
"Trust in me"? Just like we trust in Santa Claus.
dhart1977 2 years ago
@JustPhilNY Well its not about what God needs. Its what he uses. We don't need a TV remote to turn the channel yet we create 1 for convenience. We don't need vehicles we can walk. Of course, when ur God u can do what u want.
But the bible does seem to elude that God and his angels use chariots of fire or Wheels in the middle of a wheel. Does God need these things. No, but does he need heaven? Does he need to create? Does he need to exist? Theres more to God then the spiritual.
ur answer 1:10
MinWilliamJosephWWM 1 year ago
God has a sense of humor. Look at the platypus.
hobbitdude19 2 years ago
God has a sense of humor. Look at Fundamentalists.
TexasLibra 2 years ago
I love this movie.
crucialconflict02 2 years ago
A dark and terrible future for the Universe, if that comes to pass.
SolAurum 2 years ago 2
I'm finding it quite chucklesome that some atheists are seeing this as Christian propaganda, whilst theists are appreciating it for what it is... a tongue-in-cheek laugh. Come on guys, get over your religious "daddy issues" and lighten up. On the other hand, I bet there are some daft fundies who are questioning the dubious eschatologicaly. Come on... whether you believe or not, lets admit we can all appreciate humour.
sword4thelord 2 years ago 2
don't assume all the people who find this funny are theists.
phantomdasilva 2 years ago
don't assume I'm assuming that :-)
note the use of the key word "some".
and also note the equal poke in the ribs at the fundies.
Chill man.
sword4thelord 2 years ago
Haha, agreed.
NeoEllis 2 years ago
Ummm... "What does god need with a starship?"
Scardy 2 years ago
hahaha
ancalites 2 years ago
lol
Loner1104 2 years ago
Not so much an alternate ending as christian propaganda. Silly me, I thought they might have actually shot an alternate ending and was curious to see it.
marklarmcfizzlestaff 2 years ago
Its a joke. its like imagine if they had actually ended it like that, it would have been hilarious.
SAgreatn 2 years ago
I thought the Klingons killed "god." At least we know that all it takes is a photon torpedo or a couple disruptor blasts and the universe will finally be at peace. Maybe then I can buy beer after midnight on Sundays.
falseprophet000 2 years ago 3
worst christian propaganda I have ever seen.
Lostwinddragon 2 years ago
lmao
funniest shit ever
Pvtjamesryan2 2 years ago
Worst Star trek ever.... even Rodenberry hated it.
animeownage86 2 years ago
Im glad to know, I wasnt the only one that hated it.
quarxyz1 2 years ago
Well, there was at least one saving grace: Jerry Goldsmith's score.
Watcher3223 2 years ago
FAIL
reivenlocke 3 years ago
Why does it end with Star Trek 1's credits?
sserpent21 3 years ago
i dont get it.
thewewguy8t88 3 years ago 2
that was funny!
ronzilla3000 3 years ago
very good.
beome 3 years ago
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Not much of an "alternate ending." Just your preaching.
uselessman73 3 years ago
its a joke
EditingRoom3 3 years ago
Editing. . .assuming that the book of Exodus was written by Moses as an eyewitness account. .I reckon the "loud voice" that Israel heard 3000 years ago coming from Mount Sinai was pretty close to what is heard on this video!
yastunt 2 years ago
Is that ending from Passion of the Christ (2004)?
WatchMyAwesomeVideos 1 year ago
@WatchMyAwesomeVideos
No, it's the end of "Megiddo: The Omega Code 2". TBN made the film in 2001.
14DaveHunter 1 year ago
Thanks,
TBN makes some serious bullshit movies though. It kinda sucks since my first name is Cameron & that reminds me of the actor Kirk Cameron
WatchMyAwesomeVideos 1 year ago
LOL!
lancerun 3 years ago
LOL That was great!
roereker 3 years ago
We will never know what they were thinking on when they made this film now rather Sybock is shown in the new Star Trek to be released in May of 2009 that is another story. So really its just a sci-fi film because it was the beginning of running out of ideas of sequels and prequels, and most of all remakes.
jturpen2 3 years ago
now do you athiests believe....??
kingrexrex666 3 years ago
classic and clever and funny!!!
s1977spw 3 years ago
That wasn't god...that was an alien pretending to be god so that he can take over the starship and spread evil across the galaxy:/
He kills Spock's brother:(
HouseDiva33 3 years ago
Its OK Spock was touching his brother before he died.
HunkyMunky007 3 years ago
I thought the torpedoe from above killed him.
TheWindClaw 3 years ago
No the torpedeo only made hime angry. The Klingon distrupor killed him.
5thVA 3 years ago
And that didn't make much sense back then (the disruptor/torpedo). Originally Kirk was to be alone and chased by and endless legion of rock golems, free-hand climbing up a mountain to try to escape them, and fighting them off with a hand phaser. When it was utterly hopeless, the Klingon ship was to appear and mow down the golems.
starsiegeplayer 2 years ago
Nice science fiction.
aztekarrow 3 years ago
The god of this worlds veiw of God:
An old man who needs sinfull mans help.
Since when has God allmighty needed a star ship.
The only barrier between man and God is sin and, that has been broken down in Christ Jesus.
Denbighcastle 3 years ago
Amen. I thumsed up you. If I remember right, in the book, it turned out to be Satan himself, instead of God.
psxwarrior 2 years ago
definetly the best voice effects EVER. .
yastunt 3 years ago
I dont know why everyone hates on V, I love it. it was also the first i can remember seeing in theaters.
usbiker133t 3 years ago
I saw it in a theater when I was like 10 and even then I knew it was crap.
kranktank 3 years ago
Same here.
psxwarrior 2 years ago
nice job
FredSavage3817 3 years ago
I think we all know what the real movie is. Star Trek 5 hits the nail on the head.
pepe6666 3 years ago
that's S
Gor85 3 years ago
wow...just...wow.....
trinitronred 3 years ago 2
this film is only decent.. the idea and concept is very interesting.. and the music is excellent.. but the plot holes are so huge you could fly a Saturn 5 through it!
knowpassword 3 years ago
More like the Enterprise itself...
TheWindClaw 3 years ago
Yeah, the Enterprise J.
psxwarrior 2 years ago
gods a bitch
kjb86 3 years ago
lol
jesus freaks
wkbassett 3 years ago
lol funny sept that wasnt god that was some energy being trapped for obvious reasons, he wants to rule people like tyrant, notice he asks about the ship cause it broke through the barrier, he wants to escape
Ghostface1119 3 years ago
ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
aussiebattler85 3 years ago 2