Telling people they are going to hell is really the religious version of "Fuck you."
Both of which are spoken either at times of heightened emotions, but more commonly spoken when one no longer have anything else to offer in the discussion.
It's not surprising that those who reject Christ will reject the claims of Scriptures. They enjoy the pleasures of this life and they are not willing to give them up for Him. To them we live in a world that is not a reality, a fantasy. The Scriptures tell us: The natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised (1 Cor.2:14 ESV). Now you can understand the foolish remarks they make.
DimensionTornFree What Dr. Mohler was teaching and what the Westboro Baptist Church teaches are two different teaches. This is the problem with people who bash Christianity, they don't listen. The main difference is Dr. Mohler teaches there is forgiveness in found in Christ, Westboro Baptist Church has already condemned.
The old testament is crudely mis translated and is not translatable into english from hebrew which is God's language which spoke all things into existance.
To the shame of most people, they think peaceful, charatable, good moral people are on their way to Heaven. This is a lie from the demonic.
And Yes Bill, I can tell you where the loving Jesus tells people they are demon inspired because they have the wrong belief...John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, & the lusts of your father ye will do...
If good works could save us Jesus would not have had to come & die for us sinners.
Bill's uneducated comment reflects most peoples belief.
You haven't died, you don't know if Heaven's real or not. You get all your information from your parents, pastor and religious texts. Try some humility rather than pretending to know how the Universe works.
You are correct. I do get my information from those sources, but mostly the Bible. My Bible has predicted 100s of events 1000s of years in advance & almost everyone of the events predicted have come to pass. The rest are soon to be fulfilled.
Take some wise advice. If the Bible says there is a Heaven to gain & a hell to shun, then I suggest you believe It. You'll only get one chance!
Has it ever occurred to you that things happen more than once? Seasons, floods, tides, eclipses... Over time people notice these things and as like all things, we get smarter as a result. Your "predictions" are myth and nonsense trying to be scientific before modern science even existed. If people were smart they would try to use science to discover more about the Universe and try to beat the skeptics into discovering what we're here for rather than justify it using Dark Age myth.
Exactly, so by your logic the Bible cannot be truth because truth is literally that. FACTS. Discovered, documented and proven. Have you witnessed a woman being made from a rib? Can you replicate that in a lab to show skeptics that it is possible? Can you build an experimental model of a boat big enough to hold two of every animal on the planet even when we don't know how many species there are still? Can you use meteorology to make a model of gust winds separating the sea for Moses?
No, I can't, But if I wring your nose it will blead & if I churn milk, it turns into butter. That is truth & can be observed & BTW, it comes from the Bible. (Prov.30:33)
I can not prove God exists by science, but I can by common sense. This universe is so fine tuned that it cries out for an intelligent designer. Nature is so beautiful, animals, plants, & flowers show His (God's) glory. Open you eyes to these things.
You said, "Can you replicate that in a lab to show skeptics that it is possible?"
BTW, You have never witnesses one species evolve into another, or life coming from non life, or nothing producing something (big bang) & you swallow that hook, line & sinker & call that nonsense science that has never been witnessed or proven.
Which takes more faith to believe, your truth or mine?
I just explained to you why it literally is not truth. Science tries to find answers through study and observation, finding a result based on a theory. Your stance is that we already have the answer based on outdated logic and even worse, you refuse to look for more answers. Best part about science, we're allowed to be wrong, that's what's so great about it and we learn more in the process. Witness evolution? Explain comparable bone anatomies in completely different animals. Truth.
You call "being wrong" the best part of science? Wow! Do you have any idea how that statement sounds ?
Please, don't say one word about my beliefs when you can make a statement like that.
One thing I can say about the Bible; It is never wrong. If you don't believe what it says, that is one thing. But you have no proof to confirm your denial of Noah's ark. Just because you refuse to believe the account does not make it untrue.
"You call "being wrong" the best part of science? Wow! Do you have any idea how that statement sounds?"
Yeah, it sounds exactly like the point I'm trying to make. Science is about finding truth through discovery, sometimes it's right, other times it's wrong. I hate to burst your bubble but we haven't been beyond the Moon yet, the very idea that you assume a book written by people who stoned each other just for saying a word is somehow all there is to it is just lame and a copout.
At least that guy is is standing firm in his belief system...the bible does in FACT preach that any thing outside of Christ is of the devil...Jesus said if your not with me your against me...
These christians are just as extreme/radical... What's really pathetic is they don't even know it! These people are so fucking stupid it makes me sick.
@Typho0n86 "Why cant this guy look at his own religion and compare it to the others and realise that they are all BS and none of them are right?"
Would you include atheism in this? You realize, I hope, that half of the major world religions are basically atheistic don't. I do not just mean Jainism either. Buddha was an atheist. Communism is religion that worships the State or collective man, etc... etc... etc...
Muslims also tend to believe that any religion that keeps people from coming to what they believe is the One True God, Allah, is demonic. For centuries religion has been the underlying cause of most of the conflicts in this world. But why can't we allow that to be history?
Could it be?? Could there be people more batshit fucking insane than Bill O'Reilly? It turns out the more I look for these conservative figures the more that turns out to be the case.
@TheSH1N1GAM1 I find it hilarious that the people who hate each other and have killed each other for centuries, all believe in different interpretations of the same God.
@TheSH1N1GAM1 You're so smart and nice choice of diction... oh and Islam wasn't established until about 5 centuries after Jesus' resurrection. Which means that Muslims don't worship the same God as Christians. Make sense?
@Superbee4401 Thank you. You are correct that Islam was established after Christianity. Judaism long predates Christianity, and in these 3 religions, they worship the Abrahamic god. The difference in Islam, Christianity, and Judaism is prophets. Jesus is the prophet of Christianity, or considered god outright. In Islam, Muhammad is the prophet of Allah, the same god as Yahweh. Allah is just the Arabic name for god. Christians in the Middle East use Allah as the name for god, just as Muslims do.
That's funny, Pat Robertson calling people crazed fanatics. One thing is for sure Robertson is a crazed fanatic and is part of the American Christian Taliban.
Joh 8:44 You are of the Devil as father, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and did not abide in the truth because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own, for he is a liar and the father of it.
ALL RELIGIONS AND I MEAN ALL that advocate people going to an eternal hell are EVIL religions with arrogant diluted followers who have thrown away their critical thinking faculties in exchange for FAITH. SAD, VERY SAD. In closing I would quickly place Franklin, Graham, Pat Rubhersome, and the baptist preacher in the group of EVIL people who they claim others are. They clearly are HYPOCRITES!
@narlycat it because your friend doesn't have enough faith, didn't you know that? Or, if your friend does have a lot of faith it could be that god is using him as a person who can be a role model for other handicapped people. Finally, if it's not one of the first reason then we can say "we don't know why god doesn't heal your friend, it's a mystery and he will need to ask god when he sees him, BUT be assured that your friend will be in a better place(heaven)where there's no suffering some day.
Westboro baptist are not Christian they are a cult that go against countless teachings of the bible. Comparing Christians to them is like comparing liberal Muslims to Al-Qa'ida.
Except that liberal or secular muslims aren't actually muslims in the sense that they are interpreting the Q'uran according to their personal morals as opposed to taking the their holy book as a given word from God. To some extent the same applies to some of the christians although for example in lutherian christianity the doctrines are inherently more free to interpretations.
Yes. The ALL LOVING FATHER. Who sacrificed his son without giving a shit. Ya know, the guy who basically says "WORSHIP ME OR BURN IN HELLFLAMES FOR ALL ETERNITY."
The "comedian parody" starting at 1;30 is a complete and total misrepresentation of Jesus Christ. The speaker (comedian?) makes nothing but errors in his wrong opinion of what Jesus is like. Read Psalm 103, Romans 10:9-13. Forget what man thinks & believes about Jesus, receive the truth of grace, love, forgiveness, mercy, strength, reality, truth. I'm a former atheist. It takes much faith to embrace unbelief. The evidence in a court of law would favor Jesus Christ being who His word says He is.
@ProChoiceJesus Wow.... well, how much "faith" does it take for you to have unbelief in Zeus?
If there is so much evidence for Jesus... name one thing. Make it the best argument. I'm not interested in endless lists of vague assumptions. There is no evidence for 'Jesus Christ'... not one thing.
And I'm a former christian who abandoned magical thinking. It doesn't take great faith to embrace unbelief, it simply takes the ability to not believe in an imaginary sky father.
Then I heard the LORD say to the other men,… “ Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children” Ezekiel 9:5-7. “Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes.” Isaiah 13:15-18. “Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses” 1 Samuel 15:2-3/
If i met this blood thirsty baby killer I'd shoot the evil bastard.
@max2right It's too bad that you won't have that chance. If you don't believe in God then there is nothing to shoot. If you do believe in God then you would realize that before you even get the chance to you would be cast into hell before you could even lift your eyes to look upon his righteousness. If you don't believe in God and He does exist then you'll still be screwed. It's a lose-lose-lose for you pall. Also, he's transcendent so bullets wouldn't hurt him. hahahahahahaha
@wellthenif That's good. Instead you should try to have a relationship with Christ instead of with the church. Religion doesn't save and religion doesn't help. A relationship with Christ does.
@wellthenif It's actually not a mind game whatsoever. You hear the gospel and you either respond to it or you don't. You seem to not really see the different in Christianity and religion.
Stuck? Tell me where there is more than that in the Bible. And it's not me that is claiming everyone is wrong, it is the Bible. And through me the Bible can proclaim it's truths.
I'm also curious, would you say that you used to be a Christian but you grew out of your faith or you lost your faith?
@Superbee4401 I can see that you don't see the similarities in your religion & other religions = from the mind of mankind, for those who care to be honest. & it's always cute when you folks disguise the "everybody else is wrong but us" dynamic. Everybody else can see that once your are sucked into fundamentalism by it's twisted "luv", then comes the still guilty, still sinning mind games, & of course the power & money emphasis.
@wellthenif Oh I can see the similarities. lol But I also see a huge difference, Jesus Christ. No other religion, that I'm aware of has a prophet who accomplished what Christ accomplished. Also these similarities can be accounted for in the Bible so I'm not surprised that certain religions are similar. Unfortunately though, you don't understand what sin is. Also, no humble pastor or leader desires power and money, only the corrupt false teachers.
@Superbee4401 Glad you can see the similarities, now you just need to take that next step & recognize it's your mouth moving & brain thinking, not a direct link to the almighty.
@Superbee4401 & Humanism gives humanity a chance @ 'truth', fundamentalist religion excels @ ignoring & distorting it. You should be saying your are sorry, but you won't &/or can't. What a waste of everybody's time & money.
@wellthenif Humanism is absolutely nothing. It looks at society and creates a set of rules that society has developed and then changes those rules as society progresses. i.e. abortion, gay marriage, etc... Truth is absolute and objective, which is exactly what society is not. Society changes and conforms to what they feel, but feeling can be misguided. There is no absolute truth in humanism. Why should I say I'm sorry what I believe? coexist right? oh wait, not for Christians. hypocritical.
@wellthenif Well, no offense, but your understanding of Christianity is very very small. Believe is the wrong word to use there. I'm assuming you meant faith? It's funny how the term coexist is used though. I can start telling someone the Gospel and they will get offended. It's funny though, how I haven't forced anything on anyone to be offensive, just shared my beliefs. Same goes for any religion. What happened to coexist? Once again hypocritical.
Maybe people aren't interested in hearing your gospel. You've spent no time @ all questioning yourself, which is very typical of fundamentalists. That behavior alludes to the power-emphasis you folks seek/need because, "Oh I'm just a humble servant of the almighty & she wants me to go do this.", blah, blah blah, over & over again. When did you get your last dose of church anesthesia?.
@wellthenif That's fine if they aren't interested. I love hearing people beliefs and perspectives and then sharing mine, it's interesting to see their reactions. What should I question myself about? I have no need for power. You seem to be very hateful towards Christians for no reason, attributing them with characteristics that you have deemed necessary because of your lack of understanding. Do you mean Church High? Again, your lack of understanding of what a true Christian really is.
@Superbee4401 Fundamentalists have worked very hard for the negative responses they get. I have no need to define my understanding of fundy-ism for you. You're in it.
"I love hearing people beliefs and perspectives and then sharing mine, it's interesting to see their reactions." <-Finally something potentially constructive....Stick w/that.
I'm fine w/anyone who owns their beliefs. Your understanding of humanism is very small.
"What should I question myself about?" <-Pathetic(& typical)
@wellthenif Oh well how am I supposed to correct my ways if you won't define it for me?
Very constructive. It's the best way to share the Gospel. Wait, do you even know what the Gospel is? This is a very pointless conversation if your criticizing Christianity without even knowing the Gospel. If you do then please explain what it is, because you might be mistaken.
Well then enlighten me. You probably won't, but again, how am I supposed to correct my ways.
@Superbee4401 Humanistic ideas have truly personal potential. They are not like the imaginary, impersonal religion of fundamentalism. You get to find answers for yourself, but 1st, one has to be open to the idea of questioning, which fundies are not because they(magically) "know"(except they don't).
Change your ways? How? You are immersed in a system that, by definition, rejects reason.
@wellthenif So they are subjective? To each individual they have their own truth. There isn't 1 absolute truth but instead millions of personal truths that can even contradict each other. That is logically flawed.
What makes you think Christianity is impersonal? It is in fact very personal. Jesus Christ loved me enough to die for MY sins. How much more personal can it get? It can't.
I have my reasons, scientifically, logically, and morally.
@Superbee4401 Subjective? Religion IS a subjective abstraction. Fundamentalists can't/won't/don't see it because they need to deny & distort everything not approved by their leaders. Jesus has almost nothing to do with it, other than handy controlling rhetoric.
"You have your reasons." <-exactly. ...& a cultural dialogue helps foster & define adaptive social & individual responsibilities, which is very unlike divisive, polarizing fundamentalism.
@wellthenif YEAH RIGHT!!! I could explain to you exactly what Christianity is word for word, but everything to you is a lie and Christianity is how you say it is. Well unfortunately for you, you're wrong. Dead wrong. You're, filled with unbelief and skepticism and deny any claim I make by saying the exact opposite. (i.e. I said Jesus is very important/personal to Christianity; You said Jesus isn't.) You really have no idea what Christianity(or religoin) is in general. I suggest you take an...
@wellthenif anthropology course on religion, myth, and ritual before having another discussion with someone on the topic of religion. That way you can gain some knowledge and perspective and hopefully your ignorance will changed into competence.
Also if a culture is defined by its religion then what? Then that religion will define social and individual responsibilities. Again, your lack of understanding religion in general impedes you greatly.
@Superbee4401 Honeybunch, it's your brain thinking & feeling & you mouth talking, not at all the almighty to you or thru you, but you can go live your little abusive & ignore-ant fundy life & I'll have as positive, happy, healthy existence as I can.
@wellthenif abusive? ignorant? haha yeah i guess loving thy neighbor is very abusive. I guess being ignorant has one requirement, being a Christian. I'm guessing your a Dawkins fan aren't you? He's a prime example of ignorance. lol
@Superbee4401 I wonder who's computer you're using? - Jeebus-dudette said to sell all your belongings & leave your family to follow him. & you are an 'absolute truth bible literalist'.
@wellthenif Again, another question you fail to answer, and it's even a yes or no one at that. I believe the Bible is inerrant and that everything in it should be taken as it's literal meaning, but I also recognize that there are certain contexts of scripture that require a different state of reading. As in the psalms are written as poetry, not factual stories. As in the parables that were spoken by Jesus or the metaphors he used are used to help explain His meaning.
@Superbee4401 Uh-huh, all-of-a-sudden the bible isn't literal, that is, until it's handy for you power-mongering, money-sucking folks. Sorry but, very obviously it's a merely human document, with a violent & nasty almighty-dude everywhere. Now sell all your stuff, give to the poor & leave your family - just like jeebus commanded you.
You're wrong. We're right. Again. Another question answered by me, a mere human.
@wellthenif There's a huge difference in seeking the answers and not caring for the answers. You are the latter and it is evident by your ignorance. You've failed to answer a single question and your childish way of conversing is a reflection of your immaturity. Do yourself a favor and stop commenting. I'm sure a lot of atheists/agnostics/skeptics would appreciate it, seeing how your simple minded perception is flawed in so many aspects it would take a novel to correct them.
@Superbee4401 It's very simple - Sell you posessions, give to the poor, leave your family. Straight from jeebus himself....& you repeatedly avoid it, busy calling me & others hypocritical while you cannot look in the damn mirror @ your goofy man-made religion.
@wellthenif Yet, you don't know what the commands are in Romans or any of the new testament books regarding family and personal possessions. I can bet you're referring to the command Jesus gave His disciples and by applying it to every person who is a Christian you take it out of context.
Your wrong. You have no theological concept of what a Christian is. Just your diluted, close-minded perception of what you know very little about.
Awesome change-of-subject. So have you sold your stuff, given to the poor and left your family? All-of-a-sudden it's not absolute truth or bible literalism. So funny & yet so stupid.
You haven't a clue about what I do or do not understand.
@wellthenif You're still asking a question out of context. Tell me what verse you are referring to and I will answer accordingly.
I do understand how you do not understand what I understand, because if you understood what I understand then we would be understanding of each other, but since you fail to understand I can conclude that you have no clue what you're talking about. I understand what your understanding is, as I have been there before but your unbelief isn't helping you understand.
@Superbee4401 Ah yes, the context argument which y'all distort & deny for convenience. Just like you folks constantly do, I have merely selected the so-called absolute truth that your jeebus spoke & you must do. So do it.
Interesting interpretation from your human mind. You know, that horrible evil sinful thing that your god created & you luv.
@wellthenif there so full of shit it's sad realy. like george carlin said ppl. aren't realistic. god loves us like in noahs time lol. god loves us thats why he created hell no wait it pop into existance and u send urself there=were the judge. god is love & mercy just accept him and do whatever the fuck u want if u want to masturbate to animal porn go ahead cuz jesus is a pussy by these new age xian who follow manly traditions lol only ppl. we hate & can't tolerate will go to hell lol
You could be having an honest mutually respectful dialogue in the real world - but HELL NO, ya'll say in politely vicious ways. Speakin' of hell, sounds like you're headed there since you won't do the very clear, unambiguous command that jeebus himself gave to you. But I understand, you're a hypocrite who can't & won't deal with it.
@Superbee4401 I don't buy it & you shouldn't either. I pointed out a pivotal idea & words that jeebus himself spoke. Very easy. Very simple. Unambiguous & from the almighty-ish one himself. You've read it. You know what I'm talking about. What you're looking for is a context to invalidate.
@wellthenif Ok well since I don't know what you're talking about, maybe you should actually "point out" this pivotal idea that Jesus had. And if there is a context to invalidate then that would mean what you're saying is therefore invalid. Is that why you keep avoiding telling me where Jesus said this in the Bible? I could probably find an example in the Bible of what you're referring to, but that would be taking it out of context and I know you're smart enough not to do that, right?
@Superbee4401 I don't believe you, but I can see you desperately need to invalidate my point. Fundamentalism is happily arrogant enough to consider everyone wrong, but them. That, in itself, is inexcusable & lacks conscience.
9/11/01 muslim fundamentalists 'knew' (& 'know') they are right & everybody else is wrong, period! Ring a bell?...I know it won't because you have already alluded to your convictions. Your conscience needs attention.
@Superbee4401 Confused? How normal & human & potentially honest. Each of us has some of the truth. NONE of us has all of the truth. You think you've arrived?...then you most certainly have not. We know, your classic scapegoat is that you humbly represent the almighty. Don't buy it, not at all. Absolute truth is not a prerequisite for humanism - but obviously, scientific efforts come damn close. Even they admit they’re not absolutely sure. Now THAT’s humble!
@wellthenif Except I'm confused by how you try to prove a point with out actually proving anything. It's comical.
Ahhh the "every one has some truth but no one knows the truth." With that view point you're claiming to know that everyone has some truth when in fact you don't know what truth is. How are you able to determine truth if there is no preset value of truth? You can't. With this adage you run into a philosophical meltdown because truth is then subjective, when it obviously isn't.
@Superbee4401 No. On a personal level, 'truth' is something a sincere person has to come to grips with in a truly personal way....it's not comical at all, except in that you need it to be. But as soon as you need to assert you have an ultimate truth, which is default fundamentalism, you're are as wrong as anyone ever has been. Scientific effort is far more real than anything theo-illogical-izm has to offer, obviously. At least you admit your confused.
@wellthenif Science comes close to finding absolute truth? Maybe in the area of this natural world, but even then they aren't that far. Science can understand how this natural universe works, but why it works the way it works is something science cannot answer. Science cannot explain emotions, morals, Absolute truth refers to areas such as objective morals. Do you think morals objective or subjective?
@Superbee4401 Morals are mostly subjective, but have objective potential in that they must be a part of a continual dialogue in a culture. There is no other way humans can adapt to the real world. Fundamentalism sends people 'out there' in the ethereal netherworld with abusive power, & abusive convictions, keeping people guessing about fake absolute values = impersonal awarenesses, but consequently easier to control...& it's so convenient in that it excels at excluding & alienating 'them'.
@stevethul1 Why would man create a God that judges them and send them to hell? Why would he make God and then decide to disobey Him? Why would he then proceed to change what God is? Why is the idea of a god universal then (not necessarily God but a spirituality)? If it was to explain the unexplainable, then why did we incorporate sooooo much doctrine into it? If it was to establish order, look at the world now without God: chaos, anarchy, rebellion, murder, genocide. I doubt it that we made God.
@stevethul1 You're trying to fit an argument into a context that it doesn't belong into. Santa Clause and the Tooth Fairy are not universal. You will not find them in every single society and culture, but you will find religion.
Your not proving anything. You're making a statement with no premise or evidence. Science has also led to nuclear warheads, H-bombs, and various other tools of destruction. Religion flew no one into buildings, people flew people into buildings. Don't be close-minded.
@Superbee4401 He may be close minded, but it would seem you are too. Its all fair saying people kill people not religion, but its just as equally fair saying 'nuclear warheads' dont kill people, people do. Science didnt lead to nuclear warheads being created, people wanting to win wars led to their creation.
@boombox638 Okay but you're making no argument for anything. Are you implying it was religion that was the reason for nuclear warhead's creation? I would hope not, because WW2 was provoked because of communism, a form of government. Yes there are violent religions, but that doesn't mean all religions are violent. Christianity isn't a violent religion. A large majority of religious war is from Islam. That doesn't mean all religion is bad. Islam provoked people to fly into buildings, not religion.
@Superbee4401 If you read the Bible you will see that Christianity can be a violent religion, just the same as most other religions. Its just a matter of interpretation. And im not implying that religion created warheads, the same as i dont imply that science did either. And you could argue that WW2 was infact provoked by religon as Hitler was, after all, a Roman Cahtolic.
@boombox638 Oh yes. The preparation for the God's chosen people was very violent, which is the perspective that I once had, as does most the world still, but the theological understanding of God's attributes aren't fully clear to someone who isn't a Christian because they refuse to learn all His attributes. This doesn't mean Christianity is violent now. 2000 years ago your argument would be viable, but since Christ came, God's ultimate love for His people was demonstrated....
@boombox638 Interpretation based on the knowledge an individual has, which for most people, including your self, is very limited. That is what is referred to as ignorant. No offense, as I am ignorant in some aspects, but when it comes to religion I am far from ignorant. That's not me boasting, but just being real with you.
@boombox638 also, to take the idea of God and His actions, you cannot subject your reasoning to what He does. You are human, He is God.
Hitler was not Catholic. His parents were and he moved out and never attended mass again. He was if anything an atheist based on his Darwinian philosophical standpoint of an Aryan Race. I'm not saying he was atheist, but weeding out the inferior races is directly related to Darwin's Theory, as can be scene in Mein Kampf.
@Superbee4401 Well you cant really blame atheism on what Hitler did. You cant blame aheism on anything, as there is not distinct set of 'rules' which goes along with it which can be interpreted any way you like. And why do you think Hitler seen the Jews as an inferior race?
@boombox638 Did I say that he was atheist? No. I never said atheism had anything to do with what he did. I said he MIGHT be atheist based on his world view, not that he is. There are religious extremists and there are Darwinian extremists (Hitler being the latter). There are many explanations for why he saw Jews as inferior, but I haven't a clue of what was going on in that psychotic brain of his. lol It is evident he saw them as inferior though, because they weren't part of his Aryan Race.
@Superbee4401 Self-loathing. Power themes. Look how much you people need to punish yourselves & others. Evil this, evil sinful that....on & on ad nauseum. duh.
@Superbee4401 I know I'm amazing, but which flavor of fundamentalism are you tasting @ the moment? There's quite a few to pick from. & after you get your forgiveness, & then merely look upon a woman lustfully & have those evil, sinful lustful [natural] thoughts, you've got to start punishing yourself & begging forgiveness again. You try to suck me into the sinning rants, but you're immersed. Everybody sees it but you folks. So funny all the stuff you ignore & distort too.
@wellthenif Well what I find perplexing is how you assume I have no perspective other than that of a Christians's. I was at a moment in my life not a Christian, which would mean I have had your sort of perception, but I found it flawed. Sin has infected all aspects of our nature so it only makes sense to see it as natural. Punishing myself how exactly? And I don't have to beg, just ask with a humble heart. It's pride that is the problem. God resists the proud.
@Superbee4401 So when you aren't busy being humble, that's when your particular punishments begin? Let's see, which fundy flavor would that be? Ummm, they make their nasty marks all over the place, so, all of them is the best answer. I answered it for myself. Thanks anyway.
Hey, it's after 10/21/11 & absolutely, for certain, no doubt at all --- the world will end & jeebus will come &, &, &... [It's merely the fantasy story people magically made in their head. Nuthin' more. Not a thing!]
@gangster3591 HAHA You mean the guy with photographic memory? A vocabulary that makes yours look like a 2nd graders classroom?! A mental library that is full of more books than words you know?! He's read everything and anything you can possibly think of, yet he's a Christian. It's apparent that you don't even know what the dark ages were and how they came about. Also Christian are called to love, Muslims are called to kill the infidels. You might want to rethink who you call arrogant and stupid.
@Superbee4401 .."A vocabulary that makes yours look like a 2nd graders classroom. A mental library that is full of more books than words you know. He's read everything and anything you can possibly think of, yet he's a Christian. Christian are called to love, Muslims are called to kill the infidels" what nonsense
"You might want to rethink who you call arrogant and stupid"
Arrogant is a title you haven't earned. Here you made a strong case for dullard
@gangster3591 Hahaha!!! That reminded me of when someone insults a person and that person just comes back with, "Your stupid!" I'm not being offensive, I'm just letting you know how I perceived your comment
That's alright though, because you obviously haven't taken the time to understand the perspective and view point of a Christian or any religion for that matter. Instead you find it effective to criticize their way of perception instead of understanding it in hopes of....?
2000 years of christianity....whahahahahaha....Shut your stupid pie-hole! What the hell is 2000 years in the history of this planet?? And btw: if we want to be a good christian, we should believe in he bible?? So that makes adam, eve and all those who came before the first dude to write down things for this book non-christians?? Devil worshippers, then?? Tomorrow I'll be disrupting a christian funeral with signs that say : Thank God for dead christians! God hates Christian extremists!!
All apostate religions are demonic & stem from Babylon - ALL peace loving Hindus believe that women need to slave & toil for their men in the hope that one day they may be re-incarneted AS men...ALL peace loving Hindus believe that because of Karma you should NOT interfere with the suffering of humans because they obviously committed "crimes" in a previous life - Jesus Christ taught us to help and love our fellow man especially those that suffer - is that the message you all hate so badly?
All apostate religions are absolutely & stem from Babylon - ALL peace loving Hindus believe that women need to slave & toil for their men in the hope that one day they may be re-incarneted AS men...ALL peace loving Hindus believe that because of Karma you should NOT interfere with the suffering of humans because they obviously committed "crimes" in a previous life - Jesus Christ taught us to help and love our fellow man especially those that suffer - is that the message you all hate so badly?
All apostate religions are absolutely & stem from Babylon - ALL peace loving Hindus believe that women need to slave & toil for their men in the hope that one day they may be re-incarneted AS men...ALL peace loving Hindus believe that because of Karma you should NOT interfere with the suffering of humans because they obviously committed "crimes" in a previous life - Jesus Christ taught us to help and love our fellow man especially those that suffer - is that the message you all hate so badly?
@18rooben fuck you man ur fuckin ignorant... what are u morman? u guys stay in on sundays cuz ur fuckin pussies and u guys are too afraid to touch a pussy.
@etmoto75 Bro I like how you ask me if I'm Mormon and go off, sounds like someone has some held animosity towards the Mormon faith.
I'm Agnostic, and to clear this up by Christians I mean, those who are so blinded by their faith they go off and call others religions and faiths a sin. Sorry if you didn't understand what I meant, but that's what I meant. Christians who are actually good people are the ones I have no problem with but those like this guy are full of shit.
Telling people they are going to hell is really the religious version of "Fuck you."
Both of which are spoken either at times of heightened emotions, but more commonly spoken when one no longer have anything else to offer in the discussion.
Neosaigo 51 minutes ago
the hindu cast system in india is evil.we need to be realistic with some of these religions.
lilbeaveymac 3 days ago
It's not surprising that those who reject Christ will reject the claims of Scriptures. They enjoy the pleasures of this life and they are not willing to give them up for Him. To them we live in a world that is not a reality, a fantasy. The Scriptures tell us: The natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised (1 Cor.2:14 ESV). Now you can understand the foolish remarks they make.
foreverinchrist1 6 days ago
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foreverinchrist1 6 days ago
Franklin Graham, is getting paid a million dollars while running two charities considered demonic if you follow the law of the Bible?
lucasboden 1 week ago
How the fuck did this Al Moehler guy get a Ph.d?????? WHAT THE FUCK!!!!!!!
Gonboo 2 weeks ago
Probably the only time I ever agreed with Bill O`Reilly
triplaur 2 weeks ago
DimensionTornFree What Dr. Mohler was teaching and what the Westboro Baptist Church teaches are two different teaches. This is the problem with people who bash Christianity, they don't listen. The main difference is Dr. Mohler teaches there is forgiveness in found in Christ, Westboro Baptist Church has already condemned.
jazzbummer 3 weeks ago
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Eternal hell does not exist.
Satan is not evil; and is an assistant
The old testament is crudely mis translated and is not translatable into english from hebrew which is God's language which spoke all things into existance.
All fact. look it up.
ericpker 4 weeks ago
To the shame of most people, they think peaceful, charatable, good moral people are on their way to Heaven. This is a lie from the demonic.
And Yes Bill, I can tell you where the loving Jesus tells people they are demon inspired because they have the wrong belief...John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, & the lusts of your father ye will do...
If good works could save us Jesus would not have had to come & die for us sinners.
Bill's uneducated comment reflects most peoples belief.
digger629 1 month ago
@digger629
You haven't died, you don't know if Heaven's real or not. You get all your information from your parents, pastor and religious texts. Try some humility rather than pretending to know how the Universe works.
Evenflowist314 3 weeks ago
@Evenflowist314
You are correct. I do get my information from those sources, but mostly the Bible. My Bible has predicted 100s of events 1000s of years in advance & almost everyone of the events predicted have come to pass. The rest are soon to be fulfilled.
Take some wise advice. If the Bible says there is a Heaven to gain & a hell to shun, then I suggest you believe It. You'll only get one chance!
digger629 3 weeks ago
@digger629
Has it ever occurred to you that things happen more than once? Seasons, floods, tides, eclipses... Over time people notice these things and as like all things, we get smarter as a result. Your "predictions" are myth and nonsense trying to be scientific before modern science even existed. If people were smart they would try to use science to discover more about the Universe and try to beat the skeptics into discovering what we're here for rather than justify it using Dark Age myth.
Evenflowist314 3 weeks ago
@Evenflowist314
If The Bible & Christianity could be proven true to you, would you become a Bible believing Christian?
digger629 3 weeks ago
@digger629
That depends, can you prove it to be true without relying on the Bible?
Evenflowist314 3 weeks ago
@Evenflowist314
In other words you are implying that if truth comes from the Bible, you won't believe it because it came from the Bible.
Truth is trurh, where ever it comes from.
digger629 3 weeks ago
@digger629
Exactly, so by your logic the Bible cannot be truth because truth is literally that. FACTS. Discovered, documented and proven. Have you witnessed a woman being made from a rib? Can you replicate that in a lab to show skeptics that it is possible? Can you build an experimental model of a boat big enough to hold two of every animal on the planet even when we don't know how many species there are still? Can you use meteorology to make a model of gust winds separating the sea for Moses?
Evenflowist314 3 weeks ago
@Evenflowist314
No, I can't, But if I wring your nose it will blead & if I churn milk, it turns into butter. That is truth & can be observed & BTW, it comes from the Bible. (Prov.30:33)
I can not prove God exists by science, but I can by common sense. This universe is so fine tuned that it cries out for an intelligent designer. Nature is so beautiful, animals, plants, & flowers show His (God's) glory. Open you eyes to these things.
digger629 3 weeks ago
@Evenflowist314
You said, "Can you replicate that in a lab to show skeptics that it is possible?"
BTW, You have never witnesses one species evolve into another, or life coming from non life, or nothing producing something (big bang) & you swallow that hook, line & sinker & call that nonsense science that has never been witnessed or proven.
Which takes more faith to believe, your truth or mine?
digger629 3 weeks ago
@digger629
I just explained to you why it literally is not truth. Science tries to find answers through study and observation, finding a result based on a theory. Your stance is that we already have the answer based on outdated logic and even worse, you refuse to look for more answers. Best part about science, we're allowed to be wrong, that's what's so great about it and we learn more in the process. Witness evolution? Explain comparable bone anatomies in completely different animals. Truth.
Evenflowist314 3 weeks ago
@Evenflowist314
You call "being wrong" the best part of science? Wow! Do you have any idea how that statement sounds ?
Please, don't say one word about my beliefs when you can make a statement like that.
One thing I can say about the Bible; It is never wrong. If you don't believe what it says, that is one thing. But you have no proof to confirm your denial of Noah's ark. Just because you refuse to believe the account does not make it untrue.
digger629 3 weeks ago
@digger629
"You call "being wrong" the best part of science? Wow! Do you have any idea how that statement sounds?"
Yeah, it sounds exactly like the point I'm trying to make. Science is about finding truth through discovery, sometimes it's right, other times it's wrong. I hate to burst your bubble but we haven't been beyond the Moon yet, the very idea that you assume a book written by people who stoned each other just for saying a word is somehow all there is to it is just lame and a copout.
Evenflowist314 3 weeks ago
At least that guy is is standing firm in his belief system...the bible does in FACT preach that any thing outside of Christ is of the devil...Jesus said if your not with me your against me...
don't get it twisted I'm not a bible thumber
seppukuification925 1 month ago
These christians are just as extreme/radical... What's really pathetic is they don't even know it! These people are so fucking stupid it makes me sick.
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Why cant this guy look at his own religion and compare it to the others and realise that they are all BS and none of them are right?
Typho0n86 2 months ago
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@Typho0n86 "Why cant this guy look at his own religion and compare it to the others and realise that they are all BS and none of them are right?"
Would you include atheism in this? You realize, I hope, that half of the major world religions are basically atheistic don't. I do not just mean Jainism either. Buddha was an atheist. Communism is religion that worships the State or collective man, etc... etc... etc...
ClarkianApologetics 2 months ago
Muslims also tend to believe that any religion that keeps people from coming to what they believe is the One True God, Allah, is demonic. For centuries religion has been the underlying cause of most of the conflicts in this world. But why can't we allow that to be history?
carlsm95 2 months ago
Could it be?? Could there be people more batshit fucking insane than Bill O'Reilly? It turns out the more I look for these conservative figures the more that turns out to be the case.
carlsm95 2 months ago
Hey, Christians, Muslims worship the same God as you, dumb fucks.
TheSH1N1GAM1 2 months ago
@TheSH1N1GAM1 I find it hilarious that the people who hate each other and have killed each other for centuries, all believe in different interpretations of the same God.
SuperBspb 2 months ago
@SuperBspb Yea, well most of the 'western' wold has been dominated by the the religions for a long time.
TheSH1N1GAM1 2 months ago
@TheSH1N1GAM1 You're so smart and nice choice of diction... oh and Islam wasn't established until about 5 centuries after Jesus' resurrection. Which means that Muslims don't worship the same God as Christians. Make sense?
Superbee4401 1 month ago
@Superbee4401 Thank you. You are correct that Islam was established after Christianity. Judaism long predates Christianity, and in these 3 religions, they worship the Abrahamic god. The difference in Islam, Christianity, and Judaism is prophets. Jesus is the prophet of Christianity, or considered god outright. In Islam, Muhammad is the prophet of Allah, the same god as Yahweh. Allah is just the Arabic name for god. Christians in the Middle East use Allah as the name for god, just as Muslims do.
TheSH1N1GAM1 1 month ago
That's funny, Pat Robertson calling people crazed fanatics. One thing is for sure Robertson is a crazed fanatic and is part of the American Christian Taliban.
dellboy99 2 months ago
I can't believe Bill O'Reilly was the morally superior person in that debate
cm3007235 2 months ago
Jesus talking to the Jews ....
Joh 8:44 You are of the Devil as father, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and did not abide in the truth because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own, for he is a liar and the father of it.
Shivanshuakamonty 2 months ago
You know you have a truly fucked up world view when Bill O Fucking Rielly sounds moderate compared to you
DieOrBlink 3 months ago 14
@DieOrBlink So very true...
Dentareem 2 months ago
@DieOrBlink I was thinking the same damn thing
xXAjaxXx 2 months ago
ALL RELIGIONS AND I MEAN ALL that advocate people going to an eternal hell are EVIL religions with arrogant diluted followers who have thrown away their critical thinking faculties in exchange for FAITH. SAD, VERY SAD. In closing I would quickly place Franklin, Graham, Pat Rubhersome, and the baptist preacher in the group of EVIL people who they claim others are. They clearly are HYPOCRITES!
99minerkc 3 months ago
If your Christianity is so true then why don't you heal my best friend whose in a wheelchair. You can't because your all a bunch of fakes.
narlycat 3 months ago
@narlycat it because your friend doesn't have enough faith, didn't you know that? Or, if your friend does have a lot of faith it could be that god is using him as a person who can be a role model for other handicapped people. Finally, if it's not one of the first reason then we can say "we don't know why god doesn't heal your friend, it's a mystery and he will need to ask god when he sees him, BUT be assured that your friend will be in a better place(heaven)where there's no suffering some day.
99minerkc 3 months ago
Westboro baptist are not Christian they are a cult that go against countless teachings of the bible. Comparing Christians to them is like comparing liberal Muslims to Al-Qa'ida.
gilbert4321 3 months ago
@gilbert4321
Except that liberal or secular muslims aren't actually muslims in the sense that they are interpreting the Q'uran according to their personal morals as opposed to taking the their holy book as a given word from God. To some extent the same applies to some of the christians although for example in lutherian christianity the doctrines are inherently more free to interpretations.
Spankki 3 months ago
Isn't it weird that the only people who are going to hell are the ones who aren't dumb enough to believe in such a stupid copncept?
Chelsea4President 3 months ago 12
al mohler and pat robertson are hateful bigots, if anyone should suffer for being horrible human beings, it should certainly be them
SuperWonderface 3 months ago
Yes. The ALL LOVING FATHER. Who sacrificed his son without giving a shit. Ya know, the guy who basically says "WORSHIP ME OR BURN IN HELLFLAMES FOR ALL ETERNITY."
Xandeth 3 months ago
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Jesus can save you, none other.
TheMessanjah 4 months ago
"These people are crazed fanatics and I wanna say it now, I believe it is motivated by demonic power!" LOL double standard.
steelheadjake 4 months ago
The "comedian parody" starting at 1;30 is a complete and total misrepresentation of Jesus Christ. The speaker (comedian?) makes nothing but errors in his wrong opinion of what Jesus is like. Read Psalm 103, Romans 10:9-13. Forget what man thinks & believes about Jesus, receive the truth of grace, love, forgiveness, mercy, strength, reality, truth. I'm a former atheist. It takes much faith to embrace unbelief. The evidence in a court of law would favor Jesus Christ being who His word says He is.
ProChoiceJesus 4 months ago
@ProChoiceJesus Wow.... well, how much "faith" does it take for you to have unbelief in Zeus?
If there is so much evidence for Jesus... name one thing. Make it the best argument. I'm not interested in endless lists of vague assumptions. There is no evidence for 'Jesus Christ'... not one thing.
sfg911 4 months ago 2
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@ProChoiceJesus a preacher, then, who died on a cross, like anyone else who disagreed with the romans. a preacher who got lucky.
dawiccaman 3 months ago
@ProChoiceJesus
And I'm a former christian who abandoned magical thinking. It doesn't take great faith to embrace unbelief, it simply takes the ability to not believe in an imaginary sky father.
daniel15671 3 months ago
I like that he calls Marxism "Dialectical Materialism" to try to make it sound like a religion.
Douche.
Tzadeck 4 months ago
woah... i agree with Bill O'riley.. Ive just left the no spin zone and entered the twilight zone...
red666111 4 months ago
You know Bill agrees with him too.
dilt4 4 months ago
More brainwashing! It's hard to believe that this is the USA in 2011!
707BIGGLES747 4 months ago
2000years? Bruv Hinduism is older than that
ViiKZ7P 4 months ago
this is bullshit. LOL
ViiKZ7P 4 months ago
god i fucking hate bill oreilly
tylerjaydavis 4 months ago
Too bad there isn't actually a God and Jesus was just a gay prostitute running a whorehouse with his so-called "followers" :)
HepburnFlicks 4 months ago
... when did the news become the bigot hour?
NinjaFanGirl 4 months ago
Keep persons captive? The irony of that is just fucking amazingly delightful...
DocStrange0123 5 months ago
not my business to judge other people and their faiths. Luke 6:31 ultimately saying treat others the way you want to be treated.
kubrox91 5 months ago
Then I heard the LORD say to the other men,… “ Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children” Ezekiel 9:5-7. “Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes.” Isaiah 13:15-18. “Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses” 1 Samuel 15:2-3/
If i met this blood thirsty baby killer I'd shoot the evil bastard.
max2right 5 months ago
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@max2right It's too bad that you won't have that chance. If you don't believe in God then there is nothing to shoot. If you do believe in God then you would realize that before you even get the chance to you would be cast into hell before you could even lift your eyes to look upon his righteousness. If you don't believe in God and He does exist then you'll still be screwed. It's a lose-lose-lose for you pall. Also, he's transcendent so bullets wouldn't hurt him. hahahahahahaha
Superbee4401 4 months ago
I no longer waste my time & money on religion. Yippee!!!
wellthenif 5 months ago
@wellthenif That's good. Instead you should try to have a relationship with Christ instead of with the church. Religion doesn't save and religion doesn't help. A relationship with Christ does.
Superbee4401 4 months ago
@Superbee4401 Clever rhetoric. Similar mind game.
I'm curious, are you stuck on "Christ is the only way" garbage?...& the classic everybody else is wrong but you?
wellthenif 4 months ago
@wellthenif It's actually not a mind game whatsoever. You hear the gospel and you either respond to it or you don't. You seem to not really see the different in Christianity and religion.
Stuck? Tell me where there is more than that in the Bible. And it's not me that is claiming everyone is wrong, it is the Bible. And through me the Bible can proclaim it's truths.
I'm also curious, would you say that you used to be a Christian but you grew out of your faith or you lost your faith?
Superbee4401 4 months ago
@Superbee4401 I can see that you don't see the similarities in your religion & other religions = from the mind of mankind, for those who care to be honest. & it's always cute when you folks disguise the "everybody else is wrong but us" dynamic. Everybody else can see that once your are sucked into fundamentalism by it's twisted "luv", then comes the still guilty, still sinning mind games, & of course the power & money emphasis.
wellthenif 4 months ago
@wellthenif Oh I can see the similarities. lol But I also see a huge difference, Jesus Christ. No other religion, that I'm aware of has a prophet who accomplished what Christ accomplished. Also these similarities can be accounted for in the Bible so I'm not surprised that certain religions are similar. Unfortunately though, you don't understand what sin is. Also, no humble pastor or leader desires power and money, only the corrupt false teachers.
Superbee4401 4 months ago
@Superbee4401 Glad you can see the similarities, now you just need to take that next step & recognize it's your mouth moving & brain thinking, not a direct link to the almighty.
Best wishes.
wellthenif 4 months ago
@Superbee4401 & Humanism gives humanity a chance @ 'truth', fundamentalist religion excels @ ignoring & distorting it. You should be saying your are sorry, but you won't &/or can't. What a waste of everybody's time & money.
wellthenif 4 months ago
@wellthenif Humanism is absolutely nothing. It looks at society and creates a set of rules that society has developed and then changes those rules as society progresses. i.e. abortion, gay marriage, etc... Truth is absolute and objective, which is exactly what society is not. Society changes and conforms to what they feel, but feeling can be misguided. There is no absolute truth in humanism. Why should I say I'm sorry what I believe? coexist right? oh wait, not for Christians. hypocritical.
Superbee4401 4 months ago
@Superbee4401 Ah yes, the persecution complex for the folks who're sending everybody to hell, unless they believe. Coexist, right?
We're right. You're wrong.
wellthenif 4 months ago
@wellthenif Well, no offense, but your understanding of Christianity is very very small. Believe is the wrong word to use there. I'm assuming you meant faith? It's funny how the term coexist is used though. I can start telling someone the Gospel and they will get offended. It's funny though, how I haven't forced anything on anyone to be offensive, just shared my beliefs. Same goes for any religion. What happened to coexist? Once again hypocritical.
Only the fool tells himself there is no God.
Superbee4401 4 months ago
@Superbee4401 Wrong. You don't know a damn thing.
Maybe people aren't interested in hearing your gospel. You've spent no time @ all questioning yourself, which is very typical of fundamentalists. That behavior alludes to the power-emphasis you folks seek/need because, "Oh I'm just a humble servant of the almighty & she wants me to go do this.", blah, blah blah, over & over again. When did you get your last dose of church anesthesia?.
Coexisting needs to be MUTUAL, obviously.
wellthenif 4 months ago
@wellthenif That's fine if they aren't interested. I love hearing people beliefs and perspectives and then sharing mine, it's interesting to see their reactions. What should I question myself about? I have no need for power. You seem to be very hateful towards Christians for no reason, attributing them with characteristics that you have deemed necessary because of your lack of understanding. Do you mean Church High? Again, your lack of understanding of what a true Christian really is.
Superbee4401 4 months ago
@Superbee4401 Fundamentalists have worked very hard for the negative responses they get. I have no need to define my understanding of fundy-ism for you. You're in it.
"I love hearing people beliefs and perspectives and then sharing mine, it's interesting to see their reactions." <-Finally something potentially constructive....Stick w/that.
I'm fine w/anyone who owns their beliefs. Your understanding of humanism is very small.
"What should I question myself about?" <-Pathetic(& typical)
wellthenif 4 months ago
@wellthenif Oh well how am I supposed to correct my ways if you won't define it for me?
Very constructive. It's the best way to share the Gospel. Wait, do you even know what the Gospel is? This is a very pointless conversation if your criticizing Christianity without even knowing the Gospel. If you do then please explain what it is, because you might be mistaken.
Well then enlighten me. You probably won't, but again, how am I supposed to correct my ways.
No answer. Very upsetting.
Superbee4401 4 months ago
@Superbee4401 Humanistic ideas have truly personal potential. They are not like the imaginary, impersonal religion of fundamentalism. You get to find answers for yourself, but 1st, one has to be open to the idea of questioning, which fundies are not because they(magically) "know"(except they don't).
Change your ways? How? You are immersed in a system that, by definition, rejects reason.
wellthenif 4 months ago
@wellthenif So they are subjective? To each individual they have their own truth. There isn't 1 absolute truth but instead millions of personal truths that can even contradict each other. That is logically flawed.
What makes you think Christianity is impersonal? It is in fact very personal. Jesus Christ loved me enough to die for MY sins. How much more personal can it get? It can't.
I have my reasons, scientifically, logically, and morally.
Superbee4401 4 months ago
@Superbee4401 Subjective? Religion IS a subjective abstraction. Fundamentalists can't/won't/don't see it because they need to deny & distort everything not approved by their leaders. Jesus has almost nothing to do with it, other than handy controlling rhetoric.
"You have your reasons." <-exactly. ...& a cultural dialogue helps foster & define adaptive social & individual responsibilities, which is very unlike divisive, polarizing fundamentalism.
wellthenif 4 months ago
@wellthenif YEAH RIGHT!!! I could explain to you exactly what Christianity is word for word, but everything to you is a lie and Christianity is how you say it is. Well unfortunately for you, you're wrong. Dead wrong. You're, filled with unbelief and skepticism and deny any claim I make by saying the exact opposite. (i.e. I said Jesus is very important/personal to Christianity; You said Jesus isn't.) You really have no idea what Christianity(or religoin) is in general. I suggest you take an...
Superbee4401 4 months ago
@wellthenif anthropology course on religion, myth, and ritual before having another discussion with someone on the topic of religion. That way you can gain some knowledge and perspective and hopefully your ignorance will changed into competence.
Also if a culture is defined by its religion then what? Then that religion will define social and individual responsibilities. Again, your lack of understanding religion in general impedes you greatly.
Superbee4401 4 months ago
@Superbee4401 Goofy responses. You need to reread everything you've said & engage heart & mind.
wellthenif 4 months ago
@Superbee4401 Also, read again what I have said & you should make a recording of it & put it under your pillow.
We're right. You're wrong.
wellthenif 4 months ago
@wellthenif Oh now I see. Your right because you say so.
Superbee4401 4 months ago
@Superbee4401 Honeybunch, it's your brain thinking & feeling & you mouth talking, not at all the almighty to you or thru you, but you can go live your little abusive & ignore-ant fundy life & I'll have as positive, happy, healthy existence as I can.
wellthenif 4 months ago
@wellthenif abusive? ignorant? haha yeah i guess loving thy neighbor is very abusive. I guess being ignorant has one requirement, being a Christian. I'm guessing your a Dawkins fan aren't you? He's a prime example of ignorance. lol
Superbee4401 4 months ago
@Superbee4401 I wonder who's computer you're using? - Jeebus-dudette said to sell all your belongings & leave your family to follow him. & you are an 'absolute truth bible literalist'.
wellthenif 4 months ago
@wellthenif Again, another question you fail to answer, and it's even a yes or no one at that. I believe the Bible is inerrant and that everything in it should be taken as it's literal meaning, but I also recognize that there are certain contexts of scripture that require a different state of reading. As in the psalms are written as poetry, not factual stories. As in the parables that were spoken by Jesus or the metaphors he used are used to help explain His meaning.
Superbee4401 4 months ago
@Superbee4401 Uh-huh, all-of-a-sudden the bible isn't literal, that is, until it's handy for you power-mongering, money-sucking folks. Sorry but, very obviously it's a merely human document, with a violent & nasty almighty-dude everywhere. Now sell all your stuff, give to the poor & leave your family - just like jeebus commanded you.
You're wrong. We're right. Again. Another question answered by me, a mere human.
wellthenif 4 months ago
@wellthenif There's a huge difference in seeking the answers and not caring for the answers. You are the latter and it is evident by your ignorance. You've failed to answer a single question and your childish way of conversing is a reflection of your immaturity. Do yourself a favor and stop commenting. I'm sure a lot of atheists/agnostics/skeptics would appreciate it, seeing how your simple minded perception is flawed in so many aspects it would take a novel to correct them.
Superbee4401 4 months ago
@Superbee4401 Your fundy imagination is in full career, this time without the specifically religious language. You may be getting better.
Have you sold everything & left your family, like jeebus says?
You should know, but don't, that I seek & find my human answers.
I enjoy seeing your reactions.
wellthenif 4 months ago
@wellthenif Trust me, I'm getting a kick out your reactions as well.
Human answers. Good luck with that dead end.
Superbee4401 4 months ago
@Superbee4401 It's very simple - Sell you posessions, give to the poor, leave your family. Straight from jeebus himself....& you repeatedly avoid it, busy calling me & others hypocritical while you cannot look in the damn mirror @ your goofy man-made religion.
wellthenif 4 months ago
@wellthenif Yet, you don't know what the commands are in Romans or any of the new testament books regarding family and personal possessions. I can bet you're referring to the command Jesus gave His disciples and by applying it to every person who is a Christian you take it out of context.
Your wrong. You have no theological concept of what a Christian is. Just your diluted, close-minded perception of what you know very little about.
Superbee4401 4 months ago
@Superbee4401 Theo-illogical.
Awesome change-of-subject. So have you sold your stuff, given to the poor and left your family? All-of-a-sudden it's not absolute truth or bible literalism. So funny & yet so stupid.
You haven't a clue about what I do or do not understand.
wellthenif 4 months ago
@wellthenif You're still asking a question out of context. Tell me what verse you are referring to and I will answer accordingly.
I do understand how you do not understand what I understand, because if you understood what I understand then we would be understanding of each other, but since you fail to understand I can conclude that you have no clue what you're talking about. I understand what your understanding is, as I have been there before but your unbelief isn't helping you understand.
Superbee4401 4 months ago
@Superbee4401 Ah yes, the context argument which y'all distort & deny for convenience. Just like you folks constantly do, I have merely selected the so-called absolute truth that your jeebus spoke & you must do. So do it.
Interesting interpretation from your human mind. You know, that horrible evil sinful thing that your god created & you luv.
wellthenif 4 months ago
@wellthenif there so full of shit it's sad realy. like george carlin said ppl. aren't realistic. god loves us like in noahs time lol. god loves us thats why he created hell no wait it pop into existance and u send urself there=were the judge. god is love & mercy just accept him and do whatever the fuck u want if u want to masturbate to animal porn go ahead cuz jesus is a pussy by these new age xian who follow manly traditions lol only ppl. we hate & can't tolerate will go to hell lol
MegaGangstaparadise 4 months ago
@MegaGangstaparadise Cool, I reckon'. Be yourself & know yourself & try to not hurt others. <-That's merely one perspective, not an ultimate truth.
Thanks for your ideas.
wellthenif 4 months ago
@wellthenif Ok well I guess this is you quitting. Let me know when you find where in the Bible this "Absolute Truth" is.
Superbee4401 4 months ago
@Superbee4401 What's absolutely true is FUNDIES FAILING TO FIND absolute truth.
You could be having an honest mutually respectful dialogue in the real world - but HELL NO, ya'll say in politely vicious ways. Speakin' of hell, sounds like you're headed there since you won't do the very clear, unambiguous command that jeebus himself gave to you. But I understand, you're a hypocrite who can't & won't deal with it.
wellthenif 4 months ago
@wellthenif I'm still confused as to why you haven't told me where this command is.
Oh and there is no absolute truth in humanism. So i guess you're saying that your just as "lost" as me then?
Superbee4401 4 months ago
@Superbee4401 I don't buy it & you shouldn't either. I pointed out a pivotal idea & words that jeebus himself spoke. Very easy. Very simple. Unambiguous & from the almighty-ish one himself. You've read it. You know what I'm talking about. What you're looking for is a context to invalidate.
wellthenif 4 months ago
@wellthenif Ok well since I don't know what you're talking about, maybe you should actually "point out" this pivotal idea that Jesus had. And if there is a context to invalidate then that would mean what you're saying is therefore invalid. Is that why you keep avoiding telling me where Jesus said this in the Bible? I could probably find an example in the Bible of what you're referring to, but that would be taking it out of context and I know you're smart enough not to do that, right?
Superbee4401 4 months ago
@Superbee4401 I don't believe you, but I can see you desperately need to invalidate my point. Fundamentalism is happily arrogant enough to consider everyone wrong, but them. That, in itself, is inexcusable & lacks conscience.
9/11/01 muslim fundamentalists 'knew' (& 'know') they are right & everybody else is wrong, period! Ring a bell?...I know it won't because you have already alluded to your convictions. Your conscience needs attention.
wellthenif 4 months ago
@Superbee4401 Confused? How normal & human & potentially honest. Each of us has some of the truth. NONE of us has all of the truth. You think you've arrived?...then you most certainly have not. We know, your classic scapegoat is that you humbly represent the almighty. Don't buy it, not at all. Absolute truth is not a prerequisite for humanism - but obviously, scientific efforts come damn close. Even they admit they’re not absolutely sure. Now THAT’s humble!
wellthenif 4 months ago
@wellthenif Except I'm confused by how you try to prove a point with out actually proving anything. It's comical.
Ahhh the "every one has some truth but no one knows the truth." With that view point you're claiming to know that everyone has some truth when in fact you don't know what truth is. How are you able to determine truth if there is no preset value of truth? You can't. With this adage you run into a philosophical meltdown because truth is then subjective, when it obviously isn't.
Superbee4401 4 months ago
@Superbee4401 No. On a personal level, 'truth' is something a sincere person has to come to grips with in a truly personal way....it's not comical at all, except in that you need it to be. But as soon as you need to assert you have an ultimate truth, which is default fundamentalism, you're are as wrong as anyone ever has been. Scientific effort is far more real than anything theo-illogical-izm has to offer, obviously. At least you admit your confused.
wellthenif 4 months ago
@wellthenif Science comes close to finding absolute truth? Maybe in the area of this natural world, but even then they aren't that far. Science can understand how this natural universe works, but why it works the way it works is something science cannot answer. Science cannot explain emotions, morals, Absolute truth refers to areas such as objective morals. Do you think morals objective or subjective?
Superbee4401 4 months ago
@Superbee4401 Morals are mostly subjective, but have objective potential in that they must be a part of a continual dialogue in a culture. There is no other way humans can adapt to the real world. Fundamentalism sends people 'out there' in the ethereal netherworld with abusive power, & abusive convictions, keeping people guessing about fake absolute values = impersonal awarenesses, but consequently easier to control...& it's so convenient in that it excels at excluding & alienating 'them'.
wellthenif 4 months ago
I no longer waste my time & money on religion. Yippee!!!
wellthenif 5 months ago
Dumb and Dumber Redux...
Man Made god, Not, god Made Man - Religion and belief in gods is no better than "Taking One Step Forward and Three Steps Back".
stevethul1 5 months ago
@stevethul1 Why would man create a God that judges them and send them to hell? Why would he make God and then decide to disobey Him? Why would he then proceed to change what God is? Why is the idea of a god universal then (not necessarily God but a spirituality)? If it was to explain the unexplainable, then why did we incorporate sooooo much doctrine into it? If it was to establish order, look at the world now without God: chaos, anarchy, rebellion, murder, genocide. I doubt it that we made God.
Superbee4401 5 months ago
@Superbee4401 - Santa Clause and the Tooth Fairy are also "Universal" until we realized that they like so many other Fairy Tails were reveled.
As for the later in your comment, I'll finish with this -
Man Made god, Not, god Made Man - Science flew us to the Moon while religion flew us in to Buildings... Go figure, Huh.
stevethul1 4 months ago
@stevethul1 You're trying to fit an argument into a context that it doesn't belong into. Santa Clause and the Tooth Fairy are not universal. You will not find them in every single society and culture, but you will find religion.
Your not proving anything. You're making a statement with no premise or evidence. Science has also led to nuclear warheads, H-bombs, and various other tools of destruction. Religion flew no one into buildings, people flew people into buildings. Don't be close-minded.
Superbee4401 4 months ago
@Superbee4401 He may be close minded, but it would seem you are too. Its all fair saying people kill people not religion, but its just as equally fair saying 'nuclear warheads' dont kill people, people do. Science didnt lead to nuclear warheads being created, people wanting to win wars led to their creation.
boombox638 4 months ago
@boombox638 Okay but you're making no argument for anything. Are you implying it was religion that was the reason for nuclear warhead's creation? I would hope not, because WW2 was provoked because of communism, a form of government. Yes there are violent religions, but that doesn't mean all religions are violent. Christianity isn't a violent religion. A large majority of religious war is from Islam. That doesn't mean all religion is bad. Islam provoked people to fly into buildings, not religion.
Superbee4401 4 months ago
@Superbee4401 If you read the Bible you will see that Christianity can be a violent religion, just the same as most other religions. Its just a matter of interpretation. And im not implying that religion created warheads, the same as i dont imply that science did either. And you could argue that WW2 was infact provoked by religon as Hitler was, after all, a Roman Cahtolic.
boombox638 4 months ago
@boombox638 Oh yes. The preparation for the God's chosen people was very violent, which is the perspective that I once had, as does most the world still, but the theological understanding of God's attributes aren't fully clear to someone who isn't a Christian because they refuse to learn all His attributes. This doesn't mean Christianity is violent now. 2000 years ago your argument would be viable, but since Christ came, God's ultimate love for His people was demonstrated....
Superbee4401 4 months ago
@Superbee4401 Well like i said, its all a matter of interpretation.
boombox638 4 months ago
@boombox638 Interpretation based on the knowledge an individual has, which for most people, including your self, is very limited. That is what is referred to as ignorant. No offense, as I am ignorant in some aspects, but when it comes to religion I am far from ignorant. That's not me boasting, but just being real with you.
Superbee4401 4 months ago
@boombox638 also, to take the idea of God and His actions, you cannot subject your reasoning to what He does. You are human, He is God.
Hitler was not Catholic. His parents were and he moved out and never attended mass again. He was if anything an atheist based on his Darwinian philosophical standpoint of an Aryan Race. I'm not saying he was atheist, but weeding out the inferior races is directly related to Darwin's Theory, as can be scene in Mein Kampf.
Superbee4401 4 months ago
@Superbee4401 Well you cant really blame atheism on what Hitler did. You cant blame aheism on anything, as there is not distinct set of 'rules' which goes along with it which can be interpreted any way you like. And why do you think Hitler seen the Jews as an inferior race?
boombox638 4 months ago
@boombox638 Did I say that he was atheist? No. I never said atheism had anything to do with what he did. I said he MIGHT be atheist based on his world view, not that he is. There are religious extremists and there are Darwinian extremists (Hitler being the latter). There are many explanations for why he saw Jews as inferior, but I haven't a clue of what was going on in that psychotic brain of his. lol It is evident he saw them as inferior though, because they weren't part of his Aryan Race.
Superbee4401 4 months ago
@Superbee4401 Self-loathing. Power themes. Look how much you people need to punish yourselves & others. Evil this, evil sinful that....on & on ad nauseum. duh.
wellthenif 4 months ago
@wellthenif Power themes? punish? lol you never cease to amaze me.
Superbee4401 4 months ago
@Superbee4401 I know I'm amazing, but which flavor of fundamentalism are you tasting @ the moment? There's quite a few to pick from. & after you get your forgiveness, & then merely look upon a woman lustfully & have those evil, sinful lustful [natural] thoughts, you've got to start punishing yourself & begging forgiveness again. You try to suck me into the sinning rants, but you're immersed. Everybody sees it but you folks. So funny all the stuff you ignore & distort too.
wellthenif 4 months ago
@wellthenif Well what I find perplexing is how you assume I have no perspective other than that of a Christians's. I was at a moment in my life not a Christian, which would mean I have had your sort of perception, but I found it flawed. Sin has infected all aspects of our nature so it only makes sense to see it as natural. Punishing myself how exactly? And I don't have to beg, just ask with a humble heart. It's pride that is the problem. God resists the proud.
Superbee4401 4 months ago
@Superbee4401 So when you aren't busy being humble, that's when your particular punishments begin? Let's see, which fundy flavor would that be? Ummm, they make their nasty marks all over the place, so, all of them is the best answer. I answered it for myself. Thanks anyway.
Hey, it's after 10/21/11 & absolutely, for certain, no doubt at all --- the world will end & jeebus will come &, &, &... [It's merely the fantasy story people magically made in their head. Nuthin' more. Not a thing!]
wellthenif 4 months ago
Fucking idiot
rastaR00STER 5 months ago
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youneekk 5 months ago
I CAME TO FAITH IN THE LORD JEASUS CHRIST. After growing up, I realized I had more work to do.
GOD IS BIGGER THAN ONE RELIGION! That I know.
rcacad 5 months ago
Al Mohler, Phd ..has a doctorate in what, arrogant stupidity? It was idiots like this guy who brought about the dark ages in Europe.
Many of these Christian holy rollers are as dangerous as the Taliban. They belong behind bars
gangster3591 5 months ago
@gangster3591 HAHA You mean the guy with photographic memory? A vocabulary that makes yours look like a 2nd graders classroom?! A mental library that is full of more books than words you know?! He's read everything and anything you can possibly think of, yet he's a Christian. It's apparent that you don't even know what the dark ages were and how they came about. Also Christian are called to love, Muslims are called to kill the infidels. You might want to rethink who you call arrogant and stupid.
Superbee4401 5 months ago
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@Superbee4401 .."A vocabulary that makes yours look like a 2nd graders classroom. A mental library that is full of more books than words you know. He's read everything and anything you can possibly think of, yet he's a Christian. Christian are called to love, Muslims are called to kill the infidels" what nonsense
"You might want to rethink who you call arrogant and stupid"
Arrogant is a title you haven't earned. Here you made a strong case for dullard
gangster3591 5 months ago
@gangster3591 Hahaha!!! That reminded me of when someone insults a person and that person just comes back with, "Your stupid!" I'm not being offensive, I'm just letting you know how I perceived your comment
That's alright though, because you obviously haven't taken the time to understand the perspective and view point of a Christian or any religion for that matter. Instead you find it effective to criticize their way of perception instead of understanding it in hopes of....?
Superbee4401 4 months ago
omg! i can't believe that i kind of agree w/ bill o'reilly!
metaltwinke 5 months ago
Omg WAT the hell is he talking about
braveheart683 5 months ago
What a brainwashed delusional freak. And it is painfully obvious to everyone else :)
ForkCheck 5 months ago
@ForkCheck Sadly, it's the world that is brainwashed.
Superbee4401 5 months ago
"That's a historic Christian position." I suppose that's another way of saying, "We've been pious assholes for as long as anyone can remember."
ChipArgyle 5 months ago
2000 years of christianity....whahahahahaha....Shut your stupid pie-hole! What the hell is 2000 years in the history of this planet?? And btw: if we want to be a good christian, we should believe in he bible?? So that makes adam, eve and all those who came before the first dude to write down things for this book non-christians?? Devil worshippers, then?? Tomorrow I'll be disrupting a christian funeral with signs that say : Thank God for dead christians! God hates Christian extremists!!
gyqz 5 months ago
the same shit from a difrent hole
ola6861 5 months ago
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All apostate religions are demonic & stem from Babylon - ALL peace loving Hindus believe that women need to slave & toil for their men in the hope that one day they may be re-incarneted AS men...ALL peace loving Hindus believe that because of Karma you should NOT interfere with the suffering of humans because they obviously committed "crimes" in a previous life - Jesus Christ taught us to help and love our fellow man especially those that suffer - is that the message you all hate so badly?
tiarnan76 5 months ago
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tiarnan76 5 months ago
All apostate religions are absolutely & stem from Babylon - ALL peace loving Hindus believe that women need to slave & toil for their men in the hope that one day they may be re-incarneted AS men...ALL peace loving Hindus believe that because of Karma you should NOT interfere with the suffering of humans because they obviously committed "crimes" in a previous life - Jesus Christ taught us to help and love our fellow man especially those that suffer - is that the message you all hate so badly?
tiarnan76 5 months ago
All apostate religions are absolutely & stem from Babylon - ALL peace loving Hindus believe that women need to slave & toil for their men in the hope that one day they may be re-incarneted AS men...ALL peace loving Hindus believe that because of Karma you should NOT interfere with the suffering of humans because they obviously committed "crimes" in a previous life - Jesus Christ taught us to help and love our fellow man especially those that suffer - is that the message you all hate so badly?
tiarnan76 5 months ago
Bill is right here
Kimjongil3000 5 months ago
Fuck religions!
TheAbacus42 5 months ago
i think this is the first tym i side with bill
bigbruizer2 5 months ago
lol hateful Christians, just doing thier lords work. For those who believe in Jesus these ppl sure are hatefull!!
BluntNews 6 months ago
Fuck Islam.
themenaceanish 6 months ago
See why Creationists laugh at those who say they have more education.
watch?v=lEledPONpkQ
JungleJargon 6 months ago
See why Creationists laugh at those who say they have more education.
JungleJargon 6 months ago
Anyone who does not believe and say that only our Maker can be our Savior is not telling the truth and there can be no liars in heaven.
Hell is made for the liars.
(Bill, who's side are you on anyway???)
JungleJargon 6 months ago
Christians are sooo ignorant.
18rooben 6 months ago
@18rooben fuck you man ur fuckin ignorant... what are u morman? u guys stay in on sundays cuz ur fuckin pussies and u guys are too afraid to touch a pussy.
etmoto75 6 months ago
@etmoto75 Bro I like how you ask me if I'm Mormon and go off, sounds like someone has some held animosity towards the Mormon faith.
I'm Agnostic, and to clear this up by Christians I mean, those who are so blinded by their faith they go off and call others religions and faiths a sin. Sorry if you didn't understand what I meant, but that's what I meant. Christians who are actually good people are the ones I have no problem with but those like this guy are full of shit.