Dragon skin armor disks delaminate when exposed to diesel feul or high temperatures (>100 degrees). That is why why I as a soldier would not want this armour.
@zacthebold You are aware that 95% of our ground vehicles use diesel fuel right? When vehicles get hit by IEDs the tanks almost always rupture. When my HUMMV got flipped the fuel tank cracked and alot of the fuel ran into the cab through the drainage holes in the floor. To answer your your question, it would depend on how often the soldier's vehicle gets blown up. And yes, I acknowlege that maybe my reasoning is based on my fear of a repeat incident.
@mechwar31 Yeesh! Good thing it didn't catch fire! I guess it does happen, it just seemed to me that if you got drenched in diesel fuel from an explosion you would have a lot more to worry about than bullets (fire). You would know more about it than me though.
Both issues suggests that there is some defective glue involved. Is that what you are saying? It's hard to tell anything without any context or refference.
@PwntifexMaximus sorry I meant the Armed Services Board of Contract Appeals report on Pinnacle's appeal against cancellation of it's order to the Air Force, although you should read the debarment report too since it's related.
I trust DragonSkin far more than I trust my government, far more than our military (who's test are notoriously corrupt), and far more than my fellow dumbass countryman.
But the manufacturer did lie about qualifications;
Soldiers wouldn't use this crap anyways. It's twice as heavy as the IBA. What if your vest is damaged? How the hell would you repair DS? you would have to send it back to the company. That's not viable on the field. For the IBA, just put a new plate in. Plus, DS falls apart in harsh weather... that says it all. Not only that, but pinnacle lied about the NIJ certification and sold it to the military and police anyways.
Dragonskin is amazing and would beat out current armor if not for 1 CRITICAL factor. The ability to withstand high temperatures for periods of time.(6ish hours) It gets mighty hot in the middle east and sitting in a Humvee wearing all your gear doesnt make it any cooler. If not for serious degradation of the armor ( ie not stopping bullets anymore because the adhesives in the plates failed. ) dragonskin would beat interceptor models. As of now its kind of a big deal that it fails at high temps.
wait until someone release 70 mm assault rifle is on the way. the bullet is bigger than 50 cal. they use plasma explosive to push trajectory. it design for the purpose dealing with armor. LOL.
The problem with this is that the US govt is in contracts. With the people who make the interceptor vest. Its the same problem with their primary weapon the m16a4. That weapon has been known to jam. In the heat and explodes in water. So that causes huge problems with navy units such as marines And navy seals. So instead of getting better weapons that can withstand the heat the sand and water. Like the HK416 and 417. They stick with the gun that jams and explodes when you shoot it. Now that can
@acekata90 bolt guns are famed for their reliability. agreed? now fill one with water and fire the rifle with water in the barrel. after you get back from the hospital (possibly missing a hand) you will learn that it is physics not manufacture that make rifles explode when filled with water. rifles are made with preassure tolerences based on barrels filled with air and as anyone who has ever walked in a pool will tell you water resists more than air, creating unsafe preasures. jams= can o worms.
Ok, you know why they dont want this armor in the field? Its because of greed. Too many politicans invested in inceptor armor. They banned it for civilian use also because their afraid how effective it is. If people want this armor THEN LET THEM FUCKING BUY IT, SCREW WHAT THE ARMY THINKS! Just face it people, the NWO doesnt want you to have this armor and pinnacle armor doesnt have a spine to be on our side. Pinnacle armor comming from a shit state like California doesnt surprise me either.
@coldfire2227 it wouldn't matter if they invested in interceptor, the Army buys the rights to all these technologies and has multiple companies produce it, so all the "invested in" companies would still be getting contracts they'd just be producing a different product. Case in point at least 3 companies have been contracted to make the IOTV.
The US Government are some the boldest liars on the planet... I would rather die then ever take up arms in defense of this criminal govt again and I hope that I live to see the day of it's much deserved collapse.
(0:04) wow that guy must not know that the plastic wrapping doesnt add any more protection.... i bet af desk jocky. ive worn the interceptor and even the iotv they suck really bad. yes were getting cheated out cuz the congressmen have invested in the old vest!!!
Also why would you have a birthday for a organization of a group am I the only one that thinks this is creepy as shit for all the forces? Like the creeps codes and indoctrination. Idk I would defend my country if it was actually at risk that is and if it was a resistance force.
Why cant a regular grunt from the army and marines get dragon skin the same body armor that secret service,CIA and five star generals are using in Iraq the united states government doesn't want to spend the money and i thought every man is born equal
"It astounds me to hear you suggest that our military would uh rig the system in favor of uh some uh favored uh vendor contractor uh when lives are at stake"
Is this the "how dare you" act the Army is presenting twords pinnacle armor? The uh army uh has uh.. uh.. history of um uh... of rigging test results in their favor.
@Southern661 i know, what bullshit at that 'hearing' at the end. do they really think they're being taken seriously?
when there's a revolution and they've got protestors wearing dragon skin standing impervious to their army, they're gonna wish they had gotten dragon skin. ;)
@leeknivek Just because your wearing "above par" body armor doesn't mean you can stand "Impervious" to direct fire if your standing out in the open and get lit up ban an MG i can guarantee you that armor wont save you in fact no armor (that i know off) could withstand direct fire from more than 10 bullets after that it would probably crack right through the padding and proceed to pepper your ribcage.... which would suck ass :[
USMC is full of bull shit , they sound like they don't give a shit for American troops, in where there''s not insufficient funds to pay those vests, however, they pay for other things such as college. It doesn't make any sense ?
Also, i dont think our troops are going to get shot 40 times in a row. I would rather have mobility in the field than armor that is defective and heavy.
Dragon skin is amazing. Its probably the best vest ever made but thats only if it works. Under Circumstances that are experienced by the army regularly like heat and impact damage, dragon skin Becomes completely inaffective. Interceptor is better suited for the army. Also, pinnacle armor lied, their armor is almost twice as heavy.
@grgfraiser probably because the Army classifies anything it thinks can become useful and if Pinnacle hadn't used inferior materials they might still be a company...
@akzo74 "Nonsense"? I want specific, well-grounded citations to support your perspective, all of which prove my points explicity and completely wrong. I'm not an ignorant conspiracist, but I believe the evidence regarding my point is quite valid, given the fallacious, superficial rhetoric the Army insists on.
The Army's 'results' from these archaic tests doesn't suffice. I want multiple good sources.
@akzo74 The trials were performed -years- ago, and the U.S. military has refused to conduct any further testing since. I'm not implying the tests themselves were 'archaic' -- I'm only pointing out how long ago those limited trials were performed.
On a less relevant note, how exactly were PA's materials used in its body armor 'inferior'? It apparently passed the CIA's private tests. Apparently, many DS vests were purchased -by- the CIA, despite its high cost relative to IOTV armor.
@akzo74 Watch the second video in this series. -.-' Is it not extremely suspicious? Is it not?
Oh, look at that. Countless videos showcasing Dragon Skin's resistance and durability. Oh, look at this -- blood-soaked hands involved in private contracts affiliated with Point Blank. Oh, hey. Fat, old military officials are working for the SAME companies they were previously awarded lucrative contracts to.
Come ON. At some point or another, it almost boils down to common sense.
@akzo74 And, to respond to a comment in another video, Dragon Skin was tested under a live grenade -after- it had withstood a hailstorm of various rounds. How many of such rounds can our current body armor withstand before its cheap ceramic plate becomes compromised? A few, at most? Maybe one or two from an AK-47?
@Elena9535 show me the video of an ESAPI plate failing the grenade test, oh wait they never did one so how can you prove it wouldn't survive? I explained how the materials were inferior in my PM to you were I discussed the porosity (again you don't need to believe me on it as it was purely conversational but it does correlate to the finding by the Air Force of ceramic failure in DS also in a document I sent you).
@Elena9535 and while I will agree 100% that the army was unprofessional at best in it's choice of test controller, White Labs handled the actual test not that guy so if there was conspiracy then it involves the Army, Marines, Air Force, NIJ, and a national lab. So that common sense thing is started to make it seem like PA is complaining because their product didn't work and now they're taking it out on everyone else.
@Elena9535 As for those rounds of AK 47 ammo, those are not the AP M2, someone else already addressed that, you need to learn what ammo is what before you start making claims about how awesome something is, the AK round is powerful, but you don't need a plate to stop it.
@Elena9535 And that test was not the first time it had been tested and failed, PA had it tested late 90's/early 2000's it failed and he never cried fowl or disagreed, only after he built up a bunch of media attention and failed a second time did he cry fowl. Do not take these videos for scientific proof of anything, yeah it's on tv but they're trying to sell a product just like everyone else and there have been several seemingly awesome things on future weapons that failed in real life.
Dragon skin has failed the National Institute of Justice's tests. Yet they had no problem lying to the few police stations that it was passed. If you still want to trust a company who's already been caught lying then by all means pay attention to this paid commercial pretending to be news. There are several problems with the vest, one is that the glue is very unreliable. The glue will loosen or even melt under hot weather. Second it weights almost twice as much as the current armor.
It astoundsthat Republican politician that the Army would give the contract to a certain vendor instead of the vendor who makes the highest quality product "because lives are at stake" hahaha that's pretty funny...since when did they care about the lives of the military or anyone for that matter...their politics mattered more...why are we in Iraq again? And I've got one vendor for the Republican.....KBR...that's Cheney's friends...hypocrites...oh but don't impune the military...whatever...
the problem with the dragon skin body armor is that it doesn't stand up very well in extreme temperatures (like the middle eastern desert). the adhesive will loosen up, leaving large holes in the armor that are easily penetrated. that's why the army rejected it. it's good for moderate conditions (where all the dragon skin body armor videos are made), but in the desert, the armor can't compare.
when they come up with a better adhesive, i'm sure the armor will adapt it. money ain't the issue
They just started testing a weapon that's tens of thousands dollars each and fires grenades that can explode in the air via a computer system. shelling out a few thousand dollars to keep soldiers alive is nothing. But, until Pinnacle Armor can fix the problem of the adhesive failing in the heat, the interceptor is the best one right now.
Bottom line Government is wastefull and unproductive. Private industry is where innovation is created. Dragon skin is obviously better but not politically correct. Anyone against the skin is a liar and a murderer.
@EMPIRE0FLIES actually it's the opposite, most innovation and research is government funded. Private industry doesn't like dedicating money to research because it's uncertain whether it'll pay off or not and most companies trying to survive consider it a waste of time and resources and would rather stick to commodity products they know how to make.
@akzo74 I must disagree. Private industry and true unmanipulated markets produce growth. If a government employee receives a paycheck. He doesnt really care and has no motivation to create anything. True capitalism works. A salaried govt employee will be paid the same for picking up trask or for discovering the cure for Cancer. Only the people who use it will judge. Govt is created to protect the publics personal and property rights. That is it. There is no creativity without freedom.
@EMPIRE0FLIES a lot of the government research I mentioned is done in the form of the government giving money to companies capable of performing the research and having them do it, secondly many people who do government research do so because they want to not because they have a steady paycheck. At a private company your job and funding are never certain, in government research (while still not certain) its harder to lose your funding.
@akzo74 just look at many of the major research groups IBM, Raytheon, Battelle, Sandia, Oak Ridge, Northrop Grundmann, NASA, DuPont, Dow-Corning...while some of these are private companies that make products they all receive some sort of funding to perform research from the government. I would government research is more limited by political rules and paper work than by lazy or apathetic scientists.
@akzo74 It would be fine and dandy if there were no special interests involved. I still have to side with motivation. Once someone is awarded a contract, there is no incentive for excellence. A private company is motivated by compensation and riches. Scientists are of more value in the private sector. There are technologies that are being supressed by govt because some people would be put out of business. That is not progress.
@EMPIRE0FLIES that's fair, although I think you will see trends in how much research is done private compared to government based on how well the economy is doing. 50's-mid 90's lot's of private research, 90's to now private companies are getting worried more about staying afloat than creating new products. But you're right they do have more of a monetary return investment in technology where as the government is more in hoarding.
Did anyone else notice that the General who said the dragon skin didn't pass the army test.....didn't have a combat patch on his right army sleeve????
"0 failures" on traditional armor LOL what a joke, my high school friend got shot in afghanistan by a 7.62, went right through the interceptor vest. ive seen video of 500 rounds being shot at dragonskin, NOT ONE went through.
it sadens me that our troops are looked upon as pawns in a chess game. The government seems to not care about them and refuse to spend money on new technology to ensure they come home safely. As long as its not their children or fathers or mothers fighting in the war they dont care. Its not an inconvience to them.
7:20 to 7:33 ...hasn't it already been proven that's exactly whats been happening time and time again with almost everything in our military this past decade???
Then again, our guys can't even shower well overseas without worrying about being electrocuted to death by faulty electrical wiring in the showers, so it doesn't surprise me that we aren't going to invest in providing better bullestic vest to our troops.
7:20 to 7:33 ...hasn't it already been proven that's exactly whats been happening time and time again with almost everything in our military this past decade???
5,000 dollars more for dragon skin or 400,000 dollars if that 7.62x49 Ak47 round peirces the interceptor vest and kills the soldier when it wouldnt with dragon skin
@theforeverstone well that depends, the Interceptor system (so vest and plates) is at least level IV depending on what plates you use. The military does not go by NIJ testing standards but if you try to apply the scale then the military doesn't typically purchase anything that would be considered under level IV protection. Now if you're asking what level the vest alone is then yes it is a level 3, but then so is the plate holder for DS.
3:57 .....Billions of cash spent on those stuff.... Looks like preparation for a world war 3 or competing to be the most powerful military force in the world.
I remember the guy (general?) who ran the tests for military wouldn't let the regular supervisor be present, when the supervisor objected he was fired. 2 years later the general got the job of vice president at Interceptor body armor. Pure lies for profit, and I am not a fan of conspiracy theories.
Dragon Skin stood up to a grenade "A GRENADE" point blank and nothing penetrated i seen a few military vids of people where the bullets penetrated the body armor and the soldier ended up dying. Imagine all the poor souls, our neighbors who are coming home in body bags
@connerconn You do realize that grenades don't penetrate as well as a rifle round. Grenades are omni-directional devices made for area of effect. Great chance of catching fragments all over your body but even the old PAGST flak vests and Ranger plates could stop grenade fragments at point blank.
@connerconn You should go back and check the data now. The military has reasons for not jumping in with both feet, valid reasons. The media has a corrupt reason why they need to keep us fighting one another a stupid. "Dragon Skin" has been worn by infantry men who have had the "skin" fail... The bullet, if fired at such an angle is able to pierce the overlapping layers...
I heard that that is true. The glue holding it together tends to does not stay glue for long under heat. HOWEVER, I heard the temperature it has to get to that point is incredibly high and nowhere near what Soldiers would encounter. It is something ridiculous to get that glue to melt.
@connerconn its not the frag that kils you it the concussion so you put on a dragon skin go and test it for yourself you wont walk away you will be dead the hard plates protect alot better
A human being will not survive diving on a grenade, no matter if they're wearing dragon skin or the liquid armor style. The concussion itself will stop your heart and turn your insides to jelly.
@SOHCNightmare unless you have backing materials with drastically different impedance's, a grenade blast just creates a series of waves and being waves they follow Snell's law so they can be stopped from transmitting from material to material.
@connerconn There's actually tons wrong with the Dragon Skin body armor. Just go to google and type in "what happened to dragon skin" and it should be the militaryphotos site as the first result. To sum up what they said, it failed DOD testing, they lied about passing the NIJ, if it was to hot or cold the vest would fall apart, it's heavier than the interceptor body armor, and you're pretty much fucked if you get hit at an angle. If you don't believe that, then research it more yourself.
@connerconn watch that future weapons agian there a small hole were the kidny is..n if the greanade never penitrated the shockwave from a geanade whould kill u that test was no point even from 8 feet away ur legs n arms n unprotechted parts whould get pepperd with shrapnel n even then the shockwave whould make serious internal injury ..SOO SHUT UP U DONT KNOW ANYTHING!
@redneck10ivan lol xDD yeah.. but umh.. nobody is going to shoot at ya with a Anti-Vehicular Sniper Rifle.. (PTRD) and if somebody does, you're screwed anyways.. wearing armor, not wearing armor.. being behind a wall, not being behind a wall :D
@redneck10ivan well, ok.. but still.. again I dunno if you read it, but.. I think that you'll be dead both ways.. Man 25 - 30 KJ of impact energy!! :D I think these guns should be called insta-jelly guns.. Eventhough the Body armor stops the bullet, your organs will change into a pretty homogenous slushy substance.. ew! Or.. let's say that the 2/3 of the energy change into the heat.. like the manufacturers claim.. still a huge blunt trauma, that will kill you in a matter of seconds :/
@Sunshrine2 That's understandable. There is a video where DragonSkin undermine the grenade, but it would be interesting if Dragon Skin to fire a machine gun.
@Sunshrine2 but anyway lol.. when I think about it.. you can give sh*t about it whether it will or won't penetrate the armor lol.. those 30 kilojoules of energy will change you into a insta-jelly in seconds lol.. so.. no point of thinking about it. You will be dead both ways :)
@Sunshrine2 The USSR was the armor suit the likeness of the exoskeleton. called a mobile bunker, he could withstand of machine guns. but project closed in the sixties. It was calculated on the vision of a fight in a nuclear war and to counter netronnomu weapons. they are even used in the Chernobyl accident at the plant. Now even cannot find this information on the Internet. But about experiments with the Soviet Union fighting cyborgs and the use of a head without a body. There is information.
@redneck10ivan VSK-94? Lemme see.. No, I don't think so.. This cartridge has energy of lets say 850-900 (9x39mm) Joules.. this armor whitstands a 7.62x55mm HV round with energy around 3500 Joules and much bigger penetration potential.. I really don't think that it'll rip a hole in it.. Hey what about to buy a Dragon skin, give it to the FPSRussia to try it out, lol..
@redneck10ivan yeah, I've seen that.. but I still doubt that these bullets will somehow magicaly get 3 KJ of energy.. They were trying to penetrate DS with Mp7 and P90 with their specially designed bullets.. no effect.
@Sunshrine2 VSK94 this particular weapon designed for the defeat body armor at distances up to 400 meters. no wonder it is called Vintorez. "This unusual weapon These bullets are screwed into the armor. Allows you to confidently engage targets that are protected by body armor to protect the IV classes at a distance of 400 meters and up to V classes at a distance of 100 meters.
@redneck10ivan The VSS ("Special Sniper Rifle") is referred to as Vintorez, or Thread-cutter, and was designed by TsNIITochMash. The VSK-94 was designed by the KBP Instrument Design Bureau as a cheaper alternative to the VSS. In both cases, the 9x39mm AP rounds defeat body armour by using rather large steel cores, which do not deform upon impact as lead bullets do.
@Sunshrine2 Dragon Skin. Armor Class 5 protection .. which prohibited the sale to civilians. In Russia spetsnaz armor 6B43 troops who are six classes of protection. Armor 6b23 standard military protection level of 5-6A.
@EVERYTHINGVISIBLE Feh. God has enough things on his mind. Why would he degrade himself and partake in our filthy war. God most likely has better things to do.
These Fuckers won't buy it for troops because it only helps troops not them bloody elves like all that aircraft and shit like that helped doing other stuff but they don't care if our troops die.
@Mrkool320 Actually the reason that they didnt give the troops dragon skin in Iraq and Afghanistan is because the climate in those areas renders dragonskin completely worthless.
Marketing team? Who is to say Interceptor armor doesn't do that too?
And I have never even been to Pinnacle's site, because it is a product, and they are going to say "CAN PROTECT YOU FROM WALLH4X!!!". This whole thing is probably a free advertising campaign from hell but...
@fonkymaster Hmm that first reply was a bit too much :? Im tired :D
Dragon skin is a good concept, but the way it works is just too fragile and susceptible for something designed for combat.
It would be a disaster if it got issued widely to soldiers, especially if they were fighting in somewhere like Afghan.
Maybe if Pinnacle could figure out a way to get it to work reliably, or in adverse conditions, or after it has been stored for a while. And fix its severe transport vulnerability.
Also, are there more confirmable tests? Because the Independent tests contradict eachother and trusting the army is never a good idea. I am leaning torward the independent tests.
@fonkymaster I am leaning towards the Armed forces tests, they were larger sample sizes than any of the independant tests I have seen, testing the armor to more rigorous standards.
Plus the fact that "Experts" that pinnacle hire to espouse thier product will go on about how good it is until thier credibility is on the line.
Most independant tests are either Pinnacle demoes (and so they will make sure everything is A-OK) or nonsense TV stuff.
@passwordresetisbroke And the fact the Navy recalled them after allowing them at first adds to my distrust.
Really they should supply interceptor as standard but offer the choice to be supplied with dragon skin to soldiers in afghanistan. If the armor really works, then it will show, if it doesnt (which is what the tests say) then the casualties amongst those wearing dragonskin will be markedly higher, and the military could publish that.
Could cause many casualties though so maybe not...
@passwordresetisbroke Another think that adds to my distrust is that they wont take the 3000 or the supposed lvl V vest (cant remember if that one is called the 4000 or the 5000) in for certification.
Just seems to me that they are trying to unload an inferior product onto the armed forces for an inflated price, and not giving a crap that if they suceeded it would put soldiers lives in serious risk. And thats not right.
But looking from all angles, it seems there are ulterior motives to either side. profit being major. Who knows, I would like to test these armors myself.
@asbestoslessener it hear say. my bro who told who was told by a engineer. That type thing. The compelling case for this though look how though rounds cut though it like butter. Yet a hand grenade can't. All civilian test so Dragon Skin Superior with the only flaw some heat melting thing. That fixed 2 days after they discover it. Then you look up hot rounds and if you make your own that easy thing to do. Then the rounds passed completely though showing a very hard martial harder then steel.
@starknight97 well my only problem with that is that first off grenade fragments are meant to shred human targets not pierce body armor, I mean think about it bullets have specifically engineered shapes, dimensions, and materials. Frag fragments are random pieces of a very brittle iron that would never be used to make an AP round. Plus it never shows how monolithic plates compare to the grenade test.
@asbestoslessener i don't mean standard frag i mean if you jump onto a live grenade chest first it will not defeat the vest. Another way to think about it is if you were hit in the chest by a m203 launcher. A civilian test shows the grenade test as i described it of course everyone pretends this never happened. Most civilian test show failure on the Interceptor after 3 or 4 rifle hits as well the ceramic plate breaks. Honest if i were too pick i take dragon skin just spec ops do.
@starknight97 if you were to jump on a grenade the vest would survive however you're internal organs, arteries and bones would be destroyed from the shockwave.
@MikeGustaw Will more then that even the explosion and shrapnel would tare off your arms arms a legs or at least severe lasarations . then ever you head chin also have this happens. the point was the vest more then did it job.
companies that have the patent to produce the interceptor armor have too much leverage with the military as it is. They want the right to produce dragon skin as well but Pinnacle Armor wont sell them the rights to it, thus they lose out on a lot of money.
Everything in the military is usually in shades of gray. Dragon Skin has flaws just like the one currently in use. Why would you trade one flaw for another and cost the military money? I'm sure Dragon Skin when perfected will replace Interceptor so only time will tell.
was a marine in the nineties was the 12th possesor of the body armor issued which wasn't right but because of the executive admin. at the time the marines had no buget for new/newer body armor. that or the kickbacks were falling off
There are a lot of tests something like this has to pass before it's deployable, and it isn't as simple as "does it stop bullets". If you read around, you may find it failed on other grounds (oil exposure and excessive heat are sometimes mentioned as problems). These less-glamorous tests may have caused the army to reject it.
I'm a Marine and I don't trust the army tests either. There is too much politics on their side of the military. I wouldn't mind field testing dragonskin myself vs my own set of interceptor.
Am I right? Cause I'm hearing the Rangers or other Army SOF or even SEALs maybe are now currently fielding it right now.
Too bad USMC is way too poor to afford Dragon skin body armor today.
Screw the military tests, go ask the US/NATO Special Operations/special forces guys. I bet they love it. Explain why still interceptor armor is very heavy and still a fuckin' 7.62x39mm round can go through the armor.
@LilATL94 show me the evidence of a 7.62 x 39 going through a level IV SAPI that's rated to stop an AP M2 and also how interceptor is "very heavy" compared to DS which uses even heavier materials!
@LilATL94 Where are you hearing this from? The only new "armor" being fielded are the new plate carriers. Plate carriers still have to carry ESAPI plates.
Also, where are you hearing 7.62x39 is punching through SAPI? There are hundreds of published accounts of ESAPI stopping these rounds. The only 7.62 round punching through were 7.62x54 tungsten tipped AP punching through older SAPI.
@fonkymaster I can't pass judgement on the Dragon Skin, I've never used it, I just got that from Wikipedia. I do agree our military needs a new means of Body Armor though.
they should have shown the vid where it survived a grenade blast
watcher792 1 week ago
how can i buy some of this stuff?
9144386 1 month ago
I like turtles
Ladeyzman227 2 months ago
Dragon skin armor disks delaminate when exposed to diesel feul or high temperatures (>100 degrees). That is why why I as a soldier would not want this armour.
mechwar31 2 months ago
@mechwar31 How often does a soldier get dosed in diesel fuel?
zacthebold 2 months ago
@zacthebold You are aware that 95% of our ground vehicles use diesel fuel right? When vehicles get hit by IEDs the tanks almost always rupture. When my HUMMV got flipped the fuel tank cracked and alot of the fuel ran into the cab through the drainage holes in the floor. To answer your your question, it would depend on how often the soldier's vehicle gets blown up. And yes, I acknowlege that maybe my reasoning is based on my fear of a repeat incident.
mechwar31 2 weeks ago
@mechwar31 Yeesh! Good thing it didn't catch fire! I guess it does happen, it just seemed to me that if you got drenched in diesel fuel from an explosion you would have a lot more to worry about than bullets (fire). You would know more about it than me though.
zacthebold 2 weeks ago
@mechwar31
Sources please.
Both issues suggests that there is some defective glue involved. Is that what you are saying? It's hard to tell anything without any context or refference.
PwntifexMaximus 2 months ago
@PwntifexMaximus read the Air Force debarment hearing report, it explains how DS failed two level III NIJ tests (these were not the Army tests).
akzo74 2 months ago
@PwntifexMaximus sorry I meant the Armed Services Board of Contract Appeals report on Pinnacle's appeal against cancellation of it's order to the Air Force, although you should read the debarment report too since it's related.
akzo74 2 months ago
I trust DragonSkin far more than I trust my government, far more than our military (who's test are notoriously corrupt), and far more than my fellow dumbass countryman.
But the manufacturer did lie about qualifications;
It must be done! A open testing must be done! :D
And DS is as easy to repair as Interseptor!
SGThibakusha 3 months ago
Soldiers wouldn't use this crap anyways. It's twice as heavy as the IBA. What if your vest is damaged? How the hell would you repair DS? you would have to send it back to the company. That's not viable on the field. For the IBA, just put a new plate in. Plus, DS falls apart in harsh weather... that says it all. Not only that, but pinnacle lied about the NIJ certification and sold it to the military and police anyways.
24Rorschach 4 months ago
@24Rorschach DS is lighter than interceptor
p8intballkid 4 months ago
@p8intballkid Are you retarded?
24Rorschach 4 months ago
@p8intballkid Why don't you take the time to do proper research...
24Rorschach 4 months ago
@24Rorschach Already did.
p8intballkid 4 months ago
7:18 you guys just want to save money by not wanting to buy whats better because you already have your contracts.
All you say is dragon skin failed but you don't do open test to prove it.
DannyBgo 4 months ago
paying lives just to save money..... thats sad
shnizzah 4 months ago
Dragonskin is amazing and would beat out current armor if not for 1 CRITICAL factor. The ability to withstand high temperatures for periods of time.(6ish hours) It gets mighty hot in the middle east and sitting in a Humvee wearing all your gear doesnt make it any cooler. If not for serious degradation of the armor ( ie not stopping bullets anymore because the adhesives in the plates failed. ) dragonskin would beat interceptor models. As of now its kind of a big deal that it fails at high temps.
GiantPoopingMonkey 4 months ago
wait until someone release 70 mm assault rifle is on the way. the bullet is bigger than 50 cal. they use plasma explosive to push trajectory. it design for the purpose dealing with armor. LOL.
moistfaucet 4 months ago
The error of pinnacle armor: not having a lot of congressmen in their shareholder board
CriminalMacabre 4 months ago
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6:58 Enjoy.
T3echUL3ss0n 5 months ago
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T3echUL3ss0n 5 months ago
Shot from below, bullet slips in between the discs.
Leonardmichael 5 months ago
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noelsoong777 5 months ago
The problem with this is that the US govt is in contracts. With the people who make the interceptor vest. Its the same problem with their primary weapon the m16a4. That weapon has been known to jam. In the heat and explodes in water. So that causes huge problems with navy units such as marines And navy seals. So instead of getting better weapons that can withstand the heat the sand and water. Like the HK416 and 417. They stick with the gun that jams and explodes when you shoot it. Now that can
acekata90 5 months ago
@acekata90 bolt guns are famed for their reliability. agreed? now fill one with water and fire the rifle with water in the barrel. after you get back from the hospital (possibly missing a hand) you will learn that it is physics not manufacture that make rifles explode when filled with water. rifles are made with preassure tolerences based on barrels filled with air and as anyone who has ever walked in a pool will tell you water resists more than air, creating unsafe preasures. jams= can o worms.
snogs11 5 months ago
Ok, you know why they dont want this armor in the field? Its because of greed. Too many politicans invested in inceptor armor. They banned it for civilian use also because their afraid how effective it is. If people want this armor THEN LET THEM FUCKING BUY IT, SCREW WHAT THE ARMY THINKS! Just face it people, the NWO doesnt want you to have this armor and pinnacle armor doesnt have a spine to be on our side. Pinnacle armor comming from a shit state like California doesnt surprise me either.
coldfire2227 6 months ago
@coldfire2227 it wouldn't matter if they invested in interceptor, the Army buys the rights to all these technologies and has multiple companies produce it, so all the "invested in" companies would still be getting contracts they'd just be producing a different product. Case in point at least 3 companies have been contracted to make the IOTV.
akzo74 6 months ago
Why don't the U.S. army just ask any1 if they want to volunteers and try dragonskin
tom2000136 7 months ago
@tom2000136 they wouldnt have enough gear for that many people :P
tehrealdjcrossfire 7 months ago
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The US Government are some the boldest liars on the planet... I would rather die then ever take up arms in defense of this criminal govt again and I hope that I live to see the day of it's much deserved collapse.
lmos26 8 months ago
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lmos26 8 months ago
(0:04) wow that guy must not know that the plastic wrapping doesnt add any more protection.... i bet af desk jocky. ive worn the interceptor and even the iotv they suck really bad. yes were getting cheated out cuz the congressmen have invested in the old vest!!!
KamekazeKuban 8 months ago
Also why would you have a birthday for a organization of a group am I the only one that thinks this is creepy as shit for all the forces? Like the creeps codes and indoctrination. Idk I would defend my country if it was actually at risk that is and if it was a resistance force.
GUNS4MIKE1234 8 months ago
Why cant a regular grunt from the army and marines get dragon skin the same body armor that secret service,CIA and five star generals are using in Iraq the united states government doesn't want to spend the money and i thought every man is born equal
apache0231 8 months ago
@apache0231 They born equal wernt Smith and Wesson made them equil.
GUNS4MIKE1234 8 months ago
@GUNS4MIKE1234 that was actually Samuel Colt that made then equal in the original quote.
tcitalianguy 7 months ago
@tcitalianguy wow that was a big fuckup on my part oops must have been late when I wrote that lols.
GUNS4MIKE1234 7 months ago
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apache0231 8 months ago
"It astounds me to hear you suggest that our military would uh rig the system in favor of uh some uh favored uh vendor contractor uh when lives are at stake"
Is this the "how dare you" act the Army is presenting twords pinnacle armor? The uh army uh has uh.. uh.. history of um uh... of rigging test results in their favor.
Southern661 8 months ago 2
@Southern661 i know, what bullshit at that 'hearing' at the end. do they really think they're being taken seriously?
when there's a revolution and they've got protestors wearing dragon skin standing impervious to their army, they're gonna wish they had gotten dragon skin. ;)
leeknivek 7 months ago
@leeknivek Just because your wearing "above par" body armor doesn't mean you can stand "Impervious" to direct fire if your standing out in the open and get lit up ban an MG i can guarantee you that armor wont save you in fact no armor (that i know off) could withstand direct fire from more than 10 bullets after that it would probably crack right through the padding and proceed to pepper your ribcage.... which would suck ass :[
ORBITALLAZER 6 months ago
USMC is full of bull shit , they sound like they don't give a shit for American troops, in where there''s not insufficient funds to pay those vests, however, they pay for other things such as college. It doesn't make any sense ?
magdalenojuan 9 months ago
That General is a lying sack of sifted shit and should be brought up on charges of treason....
usarmycaptainamerica 9 months ago
Also, i dont think our troops are going to get shot 40 times in a row. I would rather have mobility in the field than armor that is defective and heavy.
TheAnderson799 9 months ago
Dragon skin is amazing. Its probably the best vest ever made but thats only if it works. Under Circumstances that are experienced by the army regularly like heat and impact damage, dragon skin Becomes completely inaffective. Interceptor is better suited for the army. Also, pinnacle armor lied, their armor is almost twice as heavy.
TheAnderson799 9 months ago
if this didn't work why did the gov. classify the top level body armor pinnacle makes
grgfraiser 10 months ago
@grgfraiser probably because the Army classifies anything it thinks can become useful and if Pinnacle hadn't used inferior materials they might still be a company...
akzo74 10 months ago
@akzo74 "Nonsense"? I want specific, well-grounded citations to support your perspective, all of which prove my points explicity and completely wrong. I'm not an ignorant conspiracist, but I believe the evidence regarding my point is quite valid, given the fallacious, superficial rhetoric the Army insists on.
The Army's 'results' from these archaic tests doesn't suffice. I want multiple good sources.
Elena9535 9 months ago
@Elena9535 archaic? Can you explicitly explain the test procedure for me please and explain what is "archaic" about it?
akzo74 9 months ago
@akzo74 The trials were performed -years- ago, and the U.S. military has refused to conduct any further testing since. I'm not implying the tests themselves were 'archaic' -- I'm only pointing out how long ago those limited trials were performed.
On a less relevant note, how exactly were PA's materials used in its body armor 'inferior'? It apparently passed the CIA's private tests. Apparently, many DS vests were purchased -by- the CIA, despite its high cost relative to IOTV armor.
Elena9535 9 months ago
@akzo74 Watch the second video in this series. -.-' Is it not extremely suspicious? Is it not?
Oh, look at that. Countless videos showcasing Dragon Skin's resistance and durability. Oh, look at this -- blood-soaked hands involved in private contracts affiliated with Point Blank. Oh, hey. Fat, old military officials are working for the SAME companies they were previously awarded lucrative contracts to.
Come ON. At some point or another, it almost boils down to common sense.
Elena9535 9 months ago
@akzo74 And, to respond to a comment in another video, Dragon Skin was tested under a live grenade -after- it had withstood a hailstorm of various rounds. How many of such rounds can our current body armor withstand before its cheap ceramic plate becomes compromised? A few, at most? Maybe one or two from an AK-47?
Elena9535 9 months ago
@Elena9535 show me the video of an ESAPI plate failing the grenade test, oh wait they never did one so how can you prove it wouldn't survive? I explained how the materials were inferior in my PM to you were I discussed the porosity (again you don't need to believe me on it as it was purely conversational but it does correlate to the finding by the Air Force of ceramic failure in DS also in a document I sent you).
akzo74 9 months ago
@Elena9535 and while I will agree 100% that the army was unprofessional at best in it's choice of test controller, White Labs handled the actual test not that guy so if there was conspiracy then it involves the Army, Marines, Air Force, NIJ, and a national lab. So that common sense thing is started to make it seem like PA is complaining because their product didn't work and now they're taking it out on everyone else.
akzo74 9 months ago
@Elena9535 As for those rounds of AK 47 ammo, those are not the AP M2, someone else already addressed that, you need to learn what ammo is what before you start making claims about how awesome something is, the AK round is powerful, but you don't need a plate to stop it.
akzo74 9 months ago
@Elena9535 And that test was not the first time it had been tested and failed, PA had it tested late 90's/early 2000's it failed and he never cried fowl or disagreed, only after he built up a bunch of media attention and failed a second time did he cry fowl. Do not take these videos for scientific proof of anything, yeah it's on tv but they're trying to sell a product just like everyone else and there have been several seemingly awesome things on future weapons that failed in real life.
akzo74 9 months ago
Dragon skin has failed the National Institute of Justice's tests. Yet they had no problem lying to the few police stations that it was passed. If you still want to trust a company who's already been caught lying then by all means pay attention to this paid commercial pretending to be news. There are several problems with the vest, one is that the glue is very unreliable. The glue will loosen or even melt under hot weather. Second it weights almost twice as much as the current armor.
jimlu008 10 months ago
ENOUGH repies to my comment please Its kind of funny though lots of limb talk.
connerconn 10 months ago
Yeah, this is completely unbiased... <_<
theclinger 10 months ago
It astoundsthat Republican politician that the Army would give the contract to a certain vendor instead of the vendor who makes the highest quality product "because lives are at stake" hahaha that's pretty funny...since when did they care about the lives of the military or anyone for that matter...their politics mattered more...why are we in Iraq again? And I've got one vendor for the Republican.....KBR...that's Cheney's friends...hypocrites...oh but don't impune the military...whatever...
sandycg71 10 months ago
the problem with the dragon skin body armor is that it doesn't stand up very well in extreme temperatures (like the middle eastern desert). the adhesive will loosen up, leaving large holes in the armor that are easily penetrated. that's why the army rejected it. it's good for moderate conditions (where all the dragon skin body armor videos are made), but in the desert, the armor can't compare.
when they come up with a better adhesive, i'm sure the armor will adapt it. money ain't the issue
gameragodzilla 11 months ago
They just started testing a weapon that's tens of thousands dollars each and fires grenades that can explode in the air via a computer system. shelling out a few thousand dollars to keep soldiers alive is nothing. But, until Pinnacle Armor can fix the problem of the adhesive failing in the heat, the interceptor is the best one right now.
gameragodzilla 11 months ago
It comes down to money. $200 kevlar vest versus $2,500 + dragon skin vest. The higher upers dont want to give up their bonus.
jasperpaws24 11 months ago
Bottom line Government is wastefull and unproductive. Private industry is where innovation is created. Dragon skin is obviously better but not politically correct. Anyone against the skin is a liar and a murderer.
EMPIRE0FLIES 11 months ago
@EMPIRE0FLIES actually it's the opposite, most innovation and research is government funded. Private industry doesn't like dedicating money to research because it's uncertain whether it'll pay off or not and most companies trying to survive consider it a waste of time and resources and would rather stick to commodity products they know how to make.
akzo74 11 months ago
@akzo74 I must disagree. Private industry and true unmanipulated markets produce growth. If a government employee receives a paycheck. He doesnt really care and has no motivation to create anything. True capitalism works. A salaried govt employee will be paid the same for picking up trask or for discovering the cure for Cancer. Only the people who use it will judge. Govt is created to protect the publics personal and property rights. That is it. There is no creativity without freedom.
EMPIRE0FLIES 11 months ago
@EMPIRE0FLIES a lot of the government research I mentioned is done in the form of the government giving money to companies capable of performing the research and having them do it, secondly many people who do government research do so because they want to not because they have a steady paycheck. At a private company your job and funding are never certain, in government research (while still not certain) its harder to lose your funding.
akzo74 11 months ago
@akzo74 just look at many of the major research groups IBM, Raytheon, Battelle, Sandia, Oak Ridge, Northrop Grundmann, NASA, DuPont, Dow-Corning...while some of these are private companies that make products they all receive some sort of funding to perform research from the government. I would government research is more limited by political rules and paper work than by lazy or apathetic scientists.
akzo74 11 months ago
@akzo74 It would be fine and dandy if there were no special interests involved. I still have to side with motivation. Once someone is awarded a contract, there is no incentive for excellence. A private company is motivated by compensation and riches. Scientists are of more value in the private sector. There are technologies that are being supressed by govt because some people would be put out of business. That is not progress.
EMPIRE0FLIES 11 months ago
@EMPIRE0FLIES that's fair, although I think you will see trends in how much research is done private compared to government based on how well the economy is doing. 50's-mid 90's lot's of private research, 90's to now private companies are getting worried more about staying afloat than creating new products. But you're right they do have more of a monetary return investment in technology where as the government is more in hoarding.
akzo74 11 months ago
Did anyone else notice that the General who said the dragon skin didn't pass the army test.....didn't have a combat patch on his right army sleeve????
Army88Z 11 months ago
"0 failures" on traditional armor LOL what a joke, my high school friend got shot in afghanistan by a 7.62, went right through the interceptor vest. ive seen video of 500 rounds being shot at dragonskin, NOT ONE went through.
803brando 11 months ago
it sadens me that our troops are looked upon as pawns in a chess game. The government seems to not care about them and refuse to spend money on new technology to ensure they come home safely. As long as its not their children or fathers or mothers fighting in the war they dont care. Its not an inconvience to them.
fromstart2finish 1 year ago
7:20 to 7:33 ...hasn't it already been proven that's exactly whats been happening time and time again with almost everything in our military this past decade???
Then again, our guys can't even shower well overseas without worrying about being electrocuted to death by faulty electrical wiring in the showers, so it doesn't surprise me that we aren't going to invest in providing better bullestic vest to our troops.
zombuy 1 year ago
7:20 to 7:33 ...hasn't it already been proven that's exactly whats been happening time and time again with almost everything in our military this past decade???
zombuy 1 year ago
5,000 dollars more for dragon skin or 400,000 dollars if that 7.62x49 Ak47 round peirces the interceptor vest and kills the soldier when it wouldnt with dragon skin
theforeverstone 1 year ago
@theforeverstone ak 47 fires a 7.62 x 39 not 49 and every level IV vest (including interceptor) stops that round.
akzo74 1 year ago
@akzo74 typo my bad i meant to say 39 not 49. isnt the interceptor vest a level 3 though?
theforeverstone 1 year ago
@theforeverstone well that depends, the Interceptor system (so vest and plates) is at least level IV depending on what plates you use. The military does not go by NIJ testing standards but if you try to apply the scale then the military doesn't typically purchase anything that would be considered under level IV protection. Now if you're asking what level the vest alone is then yes it is a level 3, but then so is the plate holder for DS.
akzo74 1 year ago
3:57 .....Billions of cash spent on those stuff.... Looks like preparation for a world war 3 or competing to be the most powerful military force in the world.
gjblagzter27 1 year ago
America values money more than human life.
Radiscool1 1 year ago 3
@Radiscool1 Thats why they invaded Iraq in the first place. But it's best if I don't get started on that subject.
AngusOg91 1 year ago 7
this is bullcrap
autoromu 1 year ago
so how can anyone argue when the guy who helped make the intercepter body armor said that the dragon skin is better
jsaTruth 1 year ago
I hate politicians. They don't get shot at, they don't know what is good and what is not.
JuErLe359 1 year ago
oh plus I remember hearing that a hell of a lot of military contractors buy dragonskin over interceptor
devonkeim 1 year ago
I remember the guy (general?) who ran the tests for military wouldn't let the regular supervisor be present, when the supervisor objected he was fired. 2 years later the general got the job of vice president at Interceptor body armor. Pure lies for profit, and I am not a fan of conspiracy theories.
devonkeim 1 year ago
Dragon Skin stood up to a grenade "A GRENADE" point blank and nothing penetrated i seen a few military vids of people where the bullets penetrated the body armor and the soldier ended up dying. Imagine all the poor souls, our neighbors who are coming home in body bags
connerconn 1 year ago 19
@connerconn You do realize that grenades don't penetrate as well as a rifle round. Grenades are omni-directional devices made for area of effect. Great chance of catching fragments all over your body but even the old PAGST flak vests and Ranger plates could stop grenade fragments at point blank.
brainplay 1 year ago
@connerconn You should go back and check the data now. The military has reasons for not jumping in with both feet, valid reasons. The media has a corrupt reason why they need to keep us fighting one another a stupid. "Dragon Skin" has been worn by infantry men who have had the "skin" fail... The bullet, if fired at such an angle is able to pierce the overlapping layers...
14ATruther 1 year ago
@connerconn Imagine someone coming home after sitting on a grenade in the impressive Dragonskin armour... without legs, arms and probably head.
SubzeroedMind 1 year ago
@connerconn i researched that dragon skin somewhat defects when heated so that's why it's not really preferred by the military
masterownedu 11 months ago
@masterownedu
I heard that that is true. The glue holding it together tends to does not stay glue for long under heat. HOWEVER, I heard the temperature it has to get to that point is incredibly high and nowhere near what Soldiers would encounter. It is something ridiculous to get that glue to melt.
Army88Z 11 months ago
@Army88Z Sorry about my bad grammar I wrote that pretty quickly
Army88Z 11 months ago
@connerconn its not the frag that kils you it the concussion so you put on a dragon skin go and test it for yourself you wont walk away you will be dead the hard plates protect alot better
pvtbrowning 10 months ago
@connerconn
A human being will not survive diving on a grenade, no matter if they're wearing dragon skin or the liquid armor style. The concussion itself will stop your heart and turn your insides to jelly.
SOHCNightmare 10 months ago
@SOHCNightmare unless you have backing materials with drastically different impedance's, a grenade blast just creates a series of waves and being waves they follow Snell's law so they can be stopped from transmitting from material to material.
akzo74 10 months ago
@connerconn maybe its because there are multiple levels of dragon skin armor which there are
Im2Cool4UFoeva 10 months ago
@connerconn There's actually tons wrong with the Dragon Skin body armor. Just go to google and type in "what happened to dragon skin" and it should be the militaryphotos site as the first result. To sum up what they said, it failed DOD testing, they lied about passing the NIJ, if it was to hot or cold the vest would fall apart, it's heavier than the interceptor body armor, and you're pretty much fucked if you get hit at an angle. If you don't believe that, then research it more yourself.
BigBobMclock 9 months ago
@connerconn yeah but the shock wave would destroy you.
but i'm sure u already know that
MushroomPictures 6 months ago
@connerconn watch that future weapons agian there a small hole were the kidny is..n if the greanade never penitrated the shockwave from a geanade whould kill u that test was no point even from 8 feet away ur legs n arms n unprotechted parts whould get pepperd with shrapnel n even then the shockwave whould make serious internal injury ..SOO SHUT UP U DONT KNOW ANYTHING!
YESMAN977 5 months ago
@connerconn the grenade test is misleading, even if the schrapnel doesnt kill you the sheer blast will.
MC1796 4 months ago
@connerconn Sniper rifle-Degtyarev penetrate the Dragon Skin.
redneck10ivan 4 months ago
@redneck10ivan lol xDD yeah.. but umh.. nobody is going to shoot at ya with a Anti-Vehicular Sniper Rifle.. (PTRD) and if somebody does, you're screwed anyways.. wearing armor, not wearing armor.. being behind a wall, not being behind a wall :D
Sunshrine2 3 months ago
@Sunshrine2 Russian body armor 6b23 last update does not break Sniper rifle-Degtyarev. But they are not comfortable as the Dragon Skin.
redneck10ivan 3 months ago
@redneck10ivan really? Any links? Wanna read that.. The only thing that Russian things lack is a nice propaganda.. like the American things have..
Sunshrine2 3 months ago
@Sunshrine2 I wonder what happens to the body armor Dragon Skin if the impact of machine gun Kord 12,7 × 108 mm. ? =)
redneck10ivan 3 months ago
@redneck10ivan so do I or normal M2 .50 cal.. (12,7 x 99mm)
Sunshrine2 3 months ago
@Sunshrine2 M2 .50 cal. it stationary guns, Kord.12.7 mobile weapon in the hands.
redneck10ivan 3 months ago
@redneck10ivan well, ok.. but still.. again I dunno if you read it, but.. I think that you'll be dead both ways.. Man 25 - 30 KJ of impact energy!! :D I think these guns should be called insta-jelly guns.. Eventhough the Body armor stops the bullet, your organs will change into a pretty homogenous slushy substance.. ew! Or.. let's say that the 2/3 of the energy change into the heat.. like the manufacturers claim.. still a huge blunt trauma, that will kill you in a matter of seconds :/
Sunshrine2 3 months ago
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redneck10ivan 3 months ago
@Sunshrine2 That's understandable. There is a video where DragonSkin undermine the grenade, but it would be interesting if Dragon Skin to fire a machine gun.
redneck10ivan 3 months ago
@Sunshrine2 but anyway lol.. when I think about it.. you can give sh*t about it whether it will or won't penetrate the armor lol.. those 30 kilojoules of energy will change you into a insta-jelly in seconds lol.. so.. no point of thinking about it. You will be dead both ways :)
Sunshrine2 3 months ago
@Sunshrine2 The USSR was the armor suit the likeness of the exoskeleton. called a mobile bunker, he could withstand of machine guns. but project closed in the sixties. It was calculated on the vision of a fight in a nuclear war and to counter netronnomu weapons. they are even used in the Chernobyl accident at the plant. Now even cannot find this information on the Internet. But about experiments with the Soviet Union fighting cyborgs and the use of a head without a body. There is information.
redneck10ivan 3 months ago
@redneck10ivan hmm.. pretty interesting.. any sites? Even in russian? Im half Bulgarian, lol.. so it makes me no prob to read that :D
Sunshrine2 3 months ago
@Sunshrine2 I think that the Russian carbine VSK-94 will make a hole in the Dragon Skin?
redneck10ivan 3 months ago
@redneck10ivan VSK-94? Lemme see.. No, I don't think so.. This cartridge has energy of lets say 850-900 (9x39mm) Joules.. this armor whitstands a 7.62x55mm HV round with energy around 3500 Joules and much bigger penetration potential.. I really don't think that it'll rip a hole in it.. Hey what about to buy a Dragon skin, give it to the FPSRussia to try it out, lol..
Sunshrine2 3 months ago
@Sunshrine2 VSK 94 Designed to pierce body armor "special bullets".
redneck10ivan 3 months ago
@redneck10ivan yeah, I've seen that.. but I still doubt that these bullets will somehow magicaly get 3 KJ of energy.. They were trying to penetrate DS with Mp7 and P90 with their specially designed bullets.. no effect.
Sunshrine2 3 months ago
@Sunshrine2 VSK94 this particular weapon designed for the defeat body armor at distances up to 400 meters. no wonder it is called Vintorez. "This unusual weapon These bullets are screwed into the armor. Allows you to confidently engage targets that are protected by body armor to protect the IV classes at a distance of 400 meters and up to V classes at a distance of 100 meters.
redneck10ivan 3 months ago
@redneck10ivan yeah.. and what does the word 'Vintorez' exactly mean?
Sunshrine2 3 months ago
@Sunshrine2 no means " vintorez" a the means "Screwcutting".
redneck10ivan 3 months ago
@redneck10ivan The VSS ("Special Sniper Rifle") is referred to as Vintorez, or Thread-cutter, and was designed by TsNIITochMash. The VSK-94 was designed by the KBP Instrument Design Bureau as a cheaper alternative to the VSS. In both cases, the 9x39mm AP rounds defeat body armour by using rather large steel cores, which do not deform upon impact as lead bullets do.
westernwarhorse 1 month ago
@Sunshrine2 Dragon Skin. Armor Class 5 protection .. which prohibited the sale to civilians. In Russia spetsnaz armor 6B43 troops who are six classes of protection. Armor 6b23 standard military protection level of 5-6A.
redneck10ivan 3 months ago
@redneck10ivan is also prohibited to be sold to army -.- even if you buy it on your own you are prohibited to use.. or have they changed the law?
Sunshrine2 3 months ago
@Sunshrine2 In the U.S. you are prohibited from having more than a bulletproof vest four of the level of protection. for civilians.
redneck10ivan 3 months ago
@Sunshrine2
MARSOC guys are still wearing it if they buy it.
m249a1 3 months ago
oh yeah if it costs money and the american government want money sell it to iraq :D so the terorists can use it
laur121212 1 year ago
i think they iron man suit
joseft30 1 year ago
look people the best protection the troops can have is GOD! GOD can stop anything now who is not gonna agree with that??
EVERYTHINGVISIBLE 1 year ago
@EVERYTHINGVISIBLE Feh. God has enough things on his mind. Why would he degrade himself and partake in our filthy war.
MikeGustaw 1 year ago
@EVERYTHINGVISIBLE Feh. God has enough things on his mind. Why would he degrade himself and partake in our filthy war. God most likely has better things to do.
MikeGustaw 1 year ago
These Fuckers won't buy it for troops because it only helps troops not them bloody elves like all that aircraft and shit like that helped doing other stuff but they don't care if our troops die.
Mrkool320 1 year ago
@Mrkool320 Actually the reason that they didnt give the troops dragon skin in Iraq and Afghanistan is because the climate in those areas renders dragonskin completely worthless.
passwordresetisbroke 1 year ago
@passwordresetisbroke
That is why PMCs and Generals wear it.
fonkymaster 1 year ago
@fonkymaster Rather than posting meaningless crap, why not actually look at it?
And dont just go to Pinnacles site and go "Hey yeah, it must work perfectly!"
Look stuff up before you make an ass out of youself.
And PMCs and Generals wear it because it has a good marketing team behind it.
passwordresetisbroke 1 year ago
@passwordresetisbroke
Marketing team? Who is to say Interceptor armor doesn't do that too?
And I have never even been to Pinnacle's site, because it is a product, and they are going to say "CAN PROTECT YOU FROM WALLH4X!!!". This whole thing is probably a free advertising campaign from hell but...
Dragonskin FTW?
fonkymaster 1 year ago
@fonkymaster Hmm that first reply was a bit too much :? Im tired :D
Dragon skin is a good concept, but the way it works is just too fragile and susceptible for something designed for combat.
It would be a disaster if it got issued widely to soldiers, especially if they were fighting in somewhere like Afghan.
Maybe if Pinnacle could figure out a way to get it to work reliably, or in adverse conditions, or after it has been stored for a while. And fix its severe transport vulnerability.
passwordresetisbroke 1 year ago
@passwordresetisbroke
Now, I would love to test these armors myself. The military could be lying. but then again, Pinnacle could be opportunists.
Judging from what I have seen, Dragonskin stands tall. BUT I could be wrong...
Now, if you don't mind, I am going to get back to my WW2 documentary.
fonkymaster 1 year ago
@passwordresetisbroke
Also, are there more confirmable tests? Because the Independent tests contradict eachother and trusting the army is never a good idea. I am leaning torward the independent tests.
fonkymaster 1 year ago
@fonkymaster I am leaning towards the Armed forces tests, they were larger sample sizes than any of the independant tests I have seen, testing the armor to more rigorous standards.
Plus the fact that "Experts" that pinnacle hire to espouse thier product will go on about how good it is until thier credibility is on the line.
Most independant tests are either Pinnacle demoes (and so they will make sure everything is A-OK) or nonsense TV stuff.
passwordresetisbroke 1 year ago
@passwordresetisbroke And the fact the Navy recalled them after allowing them at first adds to my distrust.
Really they should supply interceptor as standard but offer the choice to be supplied with dragon skin to soldiers in afghanistan. If the armor really works, then it will show, if it doesnt (which is what the tests say) then the casualties amongst those wearing dragonskin will be markedly higher, and the military could publish that.
Could cause many casualties though so maybe not...
passwordresetisbroke 1 year ago
@passwordresetisbroke Another think that adds to my distrust is that they wont take the 3000 or the supposed lvl V vest (cant remember if that one is called the 4000 or the 5000) in for certification.
Just seems to me that they are trying to unload an inferior product onto the armed forces for an inflated price, and not giving a crap that if they suceeded it would put soldiers lives in serious risk. And thats not right.
passwordresetisbroke 1 year ago
@passwordresetisbroke
But looking from all angles, it seems there are ulterior motives to either side. profit being major. Who knows, I would like to test these armors myself.
fonkymaster 1 year ago
IF THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT DOESNT LIKE IT SELL IT TO IRAQ!!!
jherhom27 1 year ago
will this stop a flash bang from killing you?
choclatesaltyballz 1 year ago
@choclatesaltyballz Flash bangs are to blind you,they don't kill.
USMCjunior117 1 year ago
@USMCjunior117 i know, i was just chatting shit. i knew some daft cunt would reply
choclatesaltyballz 1 year ago
Yeah the testers used a du round with a hot load. Wile with their armor interceptor. they used normal rounds.
starknight97 1 year ago
@starknight97 where did you hear that?
asbestoslessener 1 year ago
@asbestoslessener it hear say. my bro who told who was told by a engineer. That type thing. The compelling case for this though look how though rounds cut though it like butter. Yet a hand grenade can't. All civilian test so Dragon Skin Superior with the only flaw some heat melting thing. That fixed 2 days after they discover it. Then you look up hot rounds and if you make your own that easy thing to do. Then the rounds passed completely though showing a very hard martial harder then steel.
starknight97 1 year ago
@starknight97 well my only problem with that is that first off grenade fragments are meant to shred human targets not pierce body armor, I mean think about it bullets have specifically engineered shapes, dimensions, and materials. Frag fragments are random pieces of a very brittle iron that would never be used to make an AP round. Plus it never shows how monolithic plates compare to the grenade test.
asbestoslessener 1 year ago
@asbestoslessener i don't mean standard frag i mean if you jump onto a live grenade chest first it will not defeat the vest. Another way to think about it is if you were hit in the chest by a m203 launcher. A civilian test shows the grenade test as i described it of course everyone pretends this never happened. Most civilian test show failure on the Interceptor after 3 or 4 rifle hits as well the ceramic plate breaks. Honest if i were too pick i take dragon skin just spec ops do.
starknight97 1 year ago
@starknight97 if you were to jump on a grenade the vest would survive however you're internal organs, arteries and bones would be destroyed from the shockwave.
MikeGustaw 1 year ago
@MikeGustaw Will more then that even the explosion and shrapnel would tare off your arms arms a legs or at least severe lasarations . then ever you head chin also have this happens. the point was the vest more then did it job.
starknight97 1 year ago
"Zero failures is the correct answer"
What kind of statement is that? Sounds like a fucking goose.
kjaks 1 year ago
companies that have the patent to produce the interceptor armor have too much leverage with the military as it is. They want the right to produce dragon skin as well but Pinnacle Armor wont sell them the rights to it, thus they lose out on a lot of money.
NoahHoe 1 year ago
Everything in the military is usually in shades of gray. Dragon Skin has flaws just like the one currently in use. Why would you trade one flaw for another and cost the military money? I'm sure Dragon Skin when perfected will replace Interceptor so only time will tell.
MrJesus444 1 year ago
was a marine in the nineties was the 12th possesor of the body armor issued which wasn't right but because of the executive admin. at the time the marines had no buget for new/newer body armor. that or the kickbacks were falling off
johnwarren35 1 year ago
if you look at the vest the army showed it wasnt even a dragon skin
wobinga7 1 year ago
dragon skin is ineffective above 100 F.
i hope they fix this problem. or at least let it be issued to colder climate operations.
tiny5815 1 year ago
A bit of additional info.
There are a lot of tests something like this has to pass before it's deployable, and it isn't as simple as "does it stop bullets". If you read around, you may find it failed on other grounds (oil exposure and excessive heat are sometimes mentioned as problems). These less-glamorous tests may have caused the army to reject it.
Kerynasta 1 year ago
I'm a Marine and I don't trust the army tests either. There is too much politics on their side of the military. I wouldn't mind field testing dragonskin myself vs my own set of interceptor.
shoffah80 1 year ago
how can it fail if its better than the interceptor ? ...
Dune1884 1 year ago
Am I right? Cause I'm hearing the Rangers or other Army SOF or even SEALs maybe are now currently fielding it right now.
Too bad USMC is way too poor to afford Dragon skin body armor today.
Screw the military tests, go ask the US/NATO Special Operations/special forces guys. I bet they love it. Explain why still interceptor armor is very heavy and still a fuckin' 7.62x39mm round can go through the armor.
LilATL94 1 year ago
@LilATL94 show me the evidence of a 7.62 x 39 going through a level IV SAPI that's rated to stop an AP M2 and also how interceptor is "very heavy" compared to DS which uses even heavier materials!
asbestoslessener 1 year ago
@LilATL94 Where are you hearing this from? The only new "armor" being fielded are the new plate carriers. Plate carriers still have to carry ESAPI plates.
Also, where are you hearing 7.62x39 is punching through SAPI? There are hundreds of published accounts of ESAPI stopping these rounds. The only 7.62 round punching through were 7.62x54 tungsten tipped AP punching through older SAPI.
brainplay 1 year ago
"According to the Army, the vests failed because the extreme temperature tests caused the discs to dislodge, thus rendering the vest ineffective."
darkstararmory 1 year ago 2
@darkstararmory
Lol is that why generals and PMCs use it?
Our government is a clusterfuck of fail.
fonkymaster 1 year ago
@fonkymaster I can't pass judgement on the Dragon Skin, I've never used it, I just got that from Wikipedia. I do agree our military needs a new means of Body Armor though.
darkstararmory 1 year ago
@darkstararmory but that is just a glue problem, i think
holdonflixxen 1 year ago