With china in border they have to keep patriotism closer.european nations completed their part of bloodshed,we know that from history books.its the turn of asia now.
The world would be a much more peaceful place without both nationalism and patriotism however most people are all for them and tend to get their knickers in a twist if anyone happens not to think the same way they do.
@bhensy I have taught in Japanese a public school for 3 years... I know a little bit more than the words. It is a very well written song that can be interpreted in many ways depending on your opinion on the Japanese people and their place in the world. I have seen the very best and very worst of the Japanese and I will tell you this. They are just people same as you and me.
Westerners are VICIOUSLY bombarded in our schools, in the media and by our own state officials to be anti-patriotic, anti-religious, internationalists and liberals!
Japanese are an ingenous nation, they tried the "Western poison" of liberalism (actually is an Zionistic sophistry and has nothing to do with the real Europe) in the 50's an 60's and saw the outcome (we failed).
Decandence, anarchy, chaos, destruction of social bondages, so they turn back to their traditional values.
I see nothing wrong with Japanese showing patriotism to their nation. We Americans do not require anybody to say the pledge. Many, such as the Jehovah Witnesses, do not participate in the Pledge of Alliegence and are not punished. Japan should simply develope the same policy who are not convicted to show national patriotism. Once again, it is good to see Japanese patriotism on the rise. Longe live our great allie, Japan.
@SamHawkens you are an Idiot! the Nationlism & Emperor is what made Japan suffer for YEARS!
& to this day. OF course its ok & good to be proud of your country But also have respect & Knowlege of other countries. in Recent times Yes the Japanese have been very open & also proud of their country.
@Raymasaki The MILITARY made Japan suffer for years,not the Emperor.Also Nationalism does not mean you hate every other country,it just means you are devoted to your country,your people,and your culture.
@rimidalv47 DUH! who do you think gives the orders to the Military? Donald Duck!?
being proud of your country is a Good thing BUT what people are worried about is what Happened in Germany & Japan during the late 30's. im sure you have NO idea what im talking about.
@Raymasaki It was the Diet which is ruled by Taisei Yokusankai which is ruled by Hideki Tojo who was also Prime Minister(aka the ruler of Japan).The only thing Hirohito did was rally the nation.I don't have any idea huh? So why don't you enlighten me.
theres still always the same Queen. in Japan same thing the prime minister is not gonna do anything the emperor would disaprove of. theres been many pms in Japan almost 1 a yr.
The Tanaka memorial was Hiros ideal & vision.
anyone said anything against the emperor they were killed. of course its Government was more than 1 guy but to say hiro was innocent is down right Dumb
@SamHawkens I agree brother, the same thing is going on in Norway, though not to the same extent as in Germany yet.
we are taught in school to love multiculturalism and interracial relationships, we are taught to be emberassed and ashamed about our culture, and history.
we are slowly being killed off one by one.
either we all have to take a stand, european, latin, slav and asian united together to keep our rights and to keep our history, or we will surely perish!
Looking at this I find that Japanese schools (and indeed Japan as a whole) is much more nationalistic than us, which is in my opinion very good. The people must learn to love their country, or else the world will become a massive slurry of American-influenced crap. So I proudly stand and say, 'The will of the Emperor is the will of God!'
Two atomic bombs, a devastating defeat, an ongoing US occupation, and yet their national spirit has not been reduced, we got to admit, the Japanese are stubborn..
What the fuck! How is it controversial to sing the Japanese National Anthem? Again the West and everything European and Zionist is trying to take world. Japan is a beautiful nation with a proud history. This is cultural genocide! To make Japanese forget there heritage is a make them slaves to western values. It's why they have so much social problems now. They have forgotten who they are! They are simply trying to maintain a national identity before it gets lost in western consumerism.
@SamHawkens National pride has nothing to do with the songs and sentences who are forbidden in Germany. Nor is it truthfully for you to say that Germans do not praise their country (I mean just look at the flag explosion on peoples cars at the WM) People havn't stopped being proud of their country just because this songs etc were forbidden because they are related to the Nazis.
Und sei mal ehrlich: Glaubst du wirklich das es irgendwen hier interessiert den Schultag so zu beginnen?
What a nonsense, Sir. Try it, got to Berlin and sing "O Deutschland hoch in Ehren", "Die Wacht am Rhein" or the first verse of the Deutschlandlied. Those songs may not be forbidden in legal terms but whoever sings them is called a "right-wing activist", a "person living in the past" and so on. Furthermore, you cannot compare some people waving flags like monkeys in the zoo to real patriotism. Dieser WM-Patriditiismus hat einen Dreck mit echtem Nationalgefühl zu tun, mein Herr. Das sind Leute,
die ihre Flagge aus dem Haus hängen, weil es momentan modisch ist. Meistens hängen die die Flagge sogar falsch herum auf. Das hat nichts mit Patriotismus zu tun, sondern mit Fußball. So wie ein Fußballfan seine Bundesligamannschaft anfeuert, feuert man alle vier Jahre die DFB-Mannschaft an. "Vereinsfarben" sind Schwarz-Rot-Gold. Man könnte genausogut Grün-Weiß-Rot nehmen, und niemand würde sich daran stören.
May Japan not follow the way of disgrace as we did. May she remain strong and proud.
@SamHawkens Aber die Verse des Deutschlandliedes zu singen ist patriotisch? Denkst du echt mehr Leute sind stolz auf ihr Land wenn sie in der Öffentlichkeit dieses Liedchen singen? Das ist ja dann auch nicht mehr als von der Stimmung mitgerissen zu werden.
Außerdem ist die Situation in Japan eine ganz andere. zB. Der Schulbuchvorfall der die japanische imperialistische Expansion auf China und die koreanische Halbinsel wird als präventiver Verteidigungsakt erklärte.
Die auch wie wir Österreicher Politiker die mit solchen Verleugnungen durchkommen (Da beneide ich euch Deutschen, bei euch können die nicht einfach ein Politiker "gute Beschäftigungspolitik im 3. reich" sagen oder die Schuld im WW2 leugnen)Da ist es kein Wunder das die Lehrerin + Eltern, den wachsenden Patrionismus als Gefahr sehen. Und seien wir mal ganz ehrlich das Lied in seiner Freizeit zu singen ist ja nichts schlechtes, aber in eine Schule gehört so was nicht hin.
Na und? Außer uns -- politisch korrekt ausgedrückten -- deutschspachigen Völkern hat niemand Interesse daran, sich selbst in den Dreck zu reiten. Wir lieben es, uns ständig selbst als Bösewichte zu bezeichnen und uns im Schuldkult zu suhlen. Dass andere, gesündere Völker die Geschichte zu ihren Gunsten statt zu ihren Ungunsten auslegen, ist etwas ganz Natürliches. In amerikanischen Geschichtsbücher lesen Sie ja auch nichts von der Ausrottung der Indianer, sondern nur von "God's own country".
Die eigene Schuld eingestehen (und in den Schulen die eigenen Grausamkeiten nicht zu verheimlichen) hat bitte gar nichts mit "in den Dreck reiten" zu tun. Das die Amis und andere Nationen ihre Schuld an Genoziden und unötiger Brutalität verleugnen macht die Sache nicht etwa richtig. Deutschland mag zwar auch seine Fehler haben aber zumindest wurde die Schuldbekennung für die Shoa besser als in anderen Nationen geregelt. Warum zeigts du nicht mal ein wenig Patriotismus und bist stolz darauf?
Nein, mein Herr, sich seine eigene Schuld eingestehen und das, was bei uns abgeht, sind zwei Paar Schuhe. Wir sind krankhaft auf die Shoa fixiert, alles, was wir tun, muss im Lichte der Shoa gesehen werden. Wir können weder unserer Kriegstoten noch der Vertriebenen gedenken, ohne dass irgendwer daherkommt und von deutscher Schuld faselt. Wir sind KRANK. Darauf kann kein gesunder Mensch stolz sein.
Und kein gesundes Volk kann es uns gleichtun. Möge Japan es uns nicht gleichtun. Bleibe es gesund!
Look, they see the growing influences (the crappy ones) of the West on kids. They don't want a culture of kids trying to act like gang thugs and being rude. They are simply trying to maintain a national identity before it gets lost in western consumerism. I don't blame them. They are not worshipping the Emperor. I really like Japanese society... polite and respectful. What has America become? A bastion of misbehaved adults acting like spoiled, ill-parented rude idiots.
generalizations. I love how people sound idiotic especially if said observations come from teens. Most Americans aren't like that. tHere are thugs, gangsters, and crime everywhere. Japan has the yakuza. actually plz learn more about Japan. Its just as fucked up as any other developed country.
yea, Japanese culture is quite erm interesting. I find it interesting that in Japan they take everyone elses ideas. either change them slightly to make them japanese or they take it to the next level and are over the top with certain mindsets. I'm heading back to Japan soon. People really don't understand how nationalism works, and Japan is always the perfect example of what things look like when they get out of control fast.
well I study at university of oklahoma, but I am always in Asia. China, Korea, Japan, Turkey, Singapore etc. I'm heading back to Japan to finish my research project. I'm international affairs and economics, and my focus is on political economy. But part of my training is understanding what nationalism is, and the dangers it can cause as it has the power to destabilize countries, and cause unneccessary wars. I'm aspiring to become a diplomat :D
@SamHawkens i feel bad for germany, us americans are in the process of having our balls cut too but the snippers are too close and alot of us are waking up before we get snipped.
Nationalism is a noble idea and the Japanese are a noble race, that haven't been affected as much by the disgusting PC brainwashing of todays societies. So it doesn't surprise me that they are nationalistic.
nationalism is an diotic 19th/20th century idea. People forgot the lives lost due to it going out of control in many countries. Including Japan. The US has never seen war on its shores for quite some time, and I mean total war. Soo the lessons learned by many have been forgotten by Americans.
@lordblazer Communism and Socialism has seen far more lives lost than Nationalism has, even with the fabled gas chambers. There is nothing outdated about it, it is what great nations have been built on.
hmm nationalism is an outdated idea. Lives were lost for it. COmmunist countries used nationalism as a tool to make their agendas meet. The US gov't is responsible for taking many lives to under the same pretense. People take up arms and fight. Very few people are doing it to defend their families and friends. MAny are doing it to defend their great nation of some sort. That's quite nationalistic. the NAZIs were nationalistic in their fervor.
yea, you can't even state facts that the US need healthcare reform. ppl freak and tell you to live in N.Korea because apparently there isn't anywhere else in this world that can provide you with the quality of life you're use to or maybe one thats even better. because outside of the US to a lot of Americans the world is still war torn in their minds. I dunno. Americans who are expats tend to be different.
i like the melody and the poem (heian period). but i don´t want it to be mandatory at school etc. same goes for crosses in school classrooms (e.g. bavaria germany). i want children to be educated to be thinking, critical human beings and being able to choose for themselves what they like, believe in and so on. one part is respect, and another (underrated) is being able to accept criticism.
The only true system that truly can bring happiness is Communism in your brainwashed American proppaganda eyes you only see Communism as evilness but it's something completly different!
I think the atmosphere of this world is universalistic in nature, nationalism is in opposition to universalism!! As for freedom of thought dealing with children is to prepare their minds for it! For example you would take sociology and group sociology and put the research into a fairytale. . . I think we did that a long time ago not so much today, the fairytale about the king with no clothes was a good one about conformity!!!
amm... here in argentina is EXACTLY the same when we start classes. the parents come,we sing 'himno a la patria', wich is very important. All of them(children and parents) stands up, hands in their hearts, etc.
Pero Kimi ga Yo no es como cualquier otro himno. No se trata sólo de sentido de la identidad y patriotismo, sino de nostalgia por tiempos en los que los japoneses, literalmente, creían ser la más superior de las razas en Asia, e incluso el mundo, junto a los alemanes. En mi país también existe esa costumbre, y es saludable, pues la letra del himno no incita a la superioridad, ni a la creencia en que un simple ser humano, sea divino.
ahhh, pense que era un himno 'normal'. Pero mira, por ej, en mi himno dice una parte en la cual españa es el leon y nosotors lo derrotamos, bueno,muy poeticamente. No como yo lo escribi.
igual por ahi no es nada comparado, pero...es su himno.. no se si incita realmente, porque pareciera no improtarles. A nosotros españa nos pidio que borraramos es aparte,y lo hicimos. No se, a mi no me aprecio lo mejor. Es aprte de la historia de mi pais.
You should look at your country more objectively like a view from other country's person. Many ppl in the world including us are very envious of your country because Germany have a lot of smart ppl and have kept producing amazing products, get lots of novel prizes etc.etc.. In Japan German's products mean the highest quality, safety and robust, moreover the Germans always show distinguished performance in sports field like soccer, Olympic, F1, tennis etc. What would you need more !?
In Austria it is illegal to even speak of Nazis, as such they skip the WW2 in schools like it was a bad dream.
We had a german exchange student one year and she spoke about how main stream german society and media go out of their way to quash German patriotism.
Sweden actually doesn't have an official national anthem since the one that we sing are only used out of tradition and is not stated in the law.
I can't remember ever singing the anthem at an official event. We don't sing it in school and I at least doesn't even sing it on our national day.
I'm a bit skeptical towards patriotism. I think it can help to keep the country together, but at the same time it can be a major obstacle for the internationalization of the country.
"BakaDaruku"s views was well said in his comment, though short but compacted.!!! I memorized the last line for my use. I don't hate Japanese only of its labor policies in that country. Likewise, racism in Japan is deeply embedded in their minds. It is not possible to think of homogenous society when Japan had japanese descent children in other asian countries, as far back as 1900 found in history books. This children are today known as "nikkeijin" and "shin-nikkeijin" whose fathers were Japanese
hm, in Norway we sing it at our national day only.... I think at least, not so sure :P. Lately the only place I've heard the national athem has been under international competitions like the olympics and stuff like that.
I'm Japanese. This is one of the most sensitive issues in Japan. It's true that the lyric expresses the deep homage to Japanese emperor. The problem is we have the very tragic history that millions of Japanese died to protect Japan island headed by the emperor during WWII. During the war, all students were forced to show the highest respect to their emperor and national frag and if they didn't, they're striken hard by adults.
Every country in the world left millions of dead people during WWII (not usa). In the deutsches reich when someone had no respect to germany he got killed.
I see. Your country also have a sad history, but I think the Germans have made a much more effort to reconsider the history than Japanese. Therere many young Japanese who dont know what Japan did to Asian countries in WWII. So we often get severe criticisms about it from Asian countries suffered from the war with Japan in WWII. However, a big governmental power shift just happened here, so I hope the new government (The Democratic Party of Japan) will soon change the attitude.
@cave321 I have no idea what you are trying to say, much less what point you are trying to make. Please learn english properly before attempting to speak/write in it to others
Well I'm American and at least at the schools we attended growing up they never even taught us the national anthem. The parts of it I know are only from seeing pre-game performances just before football games. We did speak the 'Pledge of Allegiance' at the start of each school day from about Kindergarten through I think 8th grade (this was approximately 1998/1999) but that ceased due to complaints from the ACLU since our pledge states "one nation under God" and apparently God is offensive.
I understand you there 100%, but with the pledge of allegiance - it's more paying homage to those who fought and died to get and keep the USA up and running on it's own. I know the 'under God' part was only added in 1954 but since the founding peoples who fought off British control were primarily here for religious freedom it seems like we could take a step back and just appreciate things in that light.
Yes, they came to seek religious freedom - and that's why all religious groups should be principally respected and not be told every morning that they are inferior.
By the way, millions of Japanese also "died to get and keep Japan up and running on it's own", the only difference being that they lost the war and served a fascist ideology. But the Japanese also honor those who failed - if they put their heart in their task, like Takamori Saigo. Unthinkable in the west, where losers are unpopular.
Nothing wrong with this. I used to say the pledge of allegiance daily, and in high school when I was in MCJROTC we used to say the pledge of allegiance daily and every week sang the national anthem and marine corps hymn.
I remember saying the pledge of allegiance in America every morning in my school. I think my senior or junior year we kind of stopped. It wasn't pledged everyday, probably about once a week from what I remember.
About this, from what I understand, the song was used to unit the Japanese people behind the emperors back for the war. I don't have the whole picture so it's hard to take sides. I can see why some people don't like it.
I am a Japanese American and for fun I attended school there for a couple of weeks in Japan. I gotta tell you the stuff they learn. Well, maybe it's more important what they don't learn. Everything about their dark past during WW2 era is kept secret from the education system, essentially wiping it from history with each passing generation.
I don't call this patriotism, it's nationalism. The problem is, at least national anthem, is directly a praise of the Japanese imperial system which should have been demolished after WW II. It's no different than forcing students to say "Hail Hitler!" in German public school.
Japan(at least the government) is a third world country when it comes to civil liberty. People have no idea.
The symbolic imperial system is a statutory establishment. (Article 1,2 of the constitution)
The draft of the Japanese constitution was written by GHQ staffs. The Far East Tribunal at first tried but couldn't prosecute the Emperor due to lack of facts. Even more, Radhabinod Pal sentenced all 11 defendants "Not Guilty."
You seem to have no facts.
So here's some extra facts, the anthem is based on an old poem praising not the emperor but a local chieftain.
Most important document is missing, the conversation between the emperor and MacArthur(Chief prosecutor) in secrecy, which wasn't supposed to be happening in the first place. Prosecutor and defendant making secret meeting, making a deal? That's unthinkable else where. MacArthur was the most corrupt military leader at the time.
Imperial system wasn't symbolic until the WWII ended. Hirohito had his hand directly in the policy. He's guilty as hell.
Some scholars believe the emperor had a big sum of gold stolen from China during the occupation and hid it when the war ended.
He used it as a leverage to save him in the deal. It'll never be proven if this was true but if you keep this in mind then see the other unthinkable results took place later, it becomes all clear.
And very nice, avoid the question you brought up first.
You really want to go into ex post facto law?
I'll just answer my own question.
First, defining "Third World" human rights.
Void of constitutional protection, rule of law, and checks and review.
Japan, constitutionally fine, but there is room for improvement of applying article 14. The case of illegitimate children is a topic I have an interest in. See, if you do understand JP laws, easy question.
It's not the law I'm talking about. It's the people's, specially in the government, attitude. They are the only one in industrialized nation that doesn't use jury system and nobody seems to think it's wrong. And this, prosecutor deal with the defendant in secrecy and nobody thinks it's wrong. At least I have never heard of when I was in Japan. If this is allowed in trial anywhere, each trial will have a price tag and prosecutors will be very rich.
As you can see in the video and some of the comments, some Japanese refuse to embrace the national anthem, and flag. The law only establishes that the Hinomaru and Kimigayo are the national flag and anthem. This law was established after a school master committed suicide after the teachers union objected to having the national flag and anthem displayed during graduation. No one was forced to sing Kimigayo, but some just want it out of the school system entirely. Insubordination for ideology.
It's not about imposing, but respecting. I just don't want to feel forced to sing it, but some members of Japanese society are too patriotic and religious to let it go easily.
Fortunately, I have never had problems with anyone so far.
Still, what you want is a form of totalitarianism. Freedom of speech(21) and freedom of religion(20) will cause friction. But you can agree to disagree. I would refer you to a poll conducted by 内閣府 regarding JSDF. From the numbers, you'll realize that "some" is an overstatement.
If you have problems with anyone, use your right to disagree with them. If they use force, call the authority. Teachers using their authority over students to promote their personal ideology is illegal and wrong.
I hate it when this happens, patriotism is good, every copuntry can't aim for multiculturalism, god what a boring world that would be if every fucking country had the same mix of culture!
And them white/black etc. people whining about "Japanese people being so racist and patriotic", well get the fuck out of Japan then, you're the guests, foreigners, japan can do it without you, and you know that. You just ruin the country with your lazy foreign lifestyle.
You are Swedish, aren't you? A foreigner (from a country that is the epitome of liberalism on Earth) telling another foreigner to "get the fuck out". Man, you're either nuts or a troll looking for attention.
It is not people whining about racism in Japan, but people complaining about racism in general. And if foreign lifestyle represents Japan's ruin, why its revolution was based on implementing Western reforms and technology? Sigh... idiot.
I absolutely love what Japan is doing. We should do that here in America. Could you imagine how much fun it would be to here the commie teacher's union scream and howl?
Well I'm sure I can brainstorm some ideas about how to promote patriotism through public venues. Heck my friends run the student government at school, and they agreed to my idea that we have the university officially celebrate Loyalty Day this May 1st. I just have to remind them of it in about a month.
As for the attitudes of the Japanese right-wingers you mention, that attitude can be partially ok (we have an equivalent in the US "American exceptionalism") however it must be tempered especially at the top in such a way to sort of not point ones nationalism at ones allies. Look at the close relationship between Shinzo Abe's administration and the Bush administration for example. That would be ideal.
With that power we'd get rid of all the turd world immigrants that have been polluting Europe since WWII ended. Colonization was a bad idea; France is paying a heavy price for it, and so is the UK. It may very well be the price of their blood.
So, how did nationalism ruin Japan? It's the only reason they haven't picked up millions of immigrants like Europeans have, and, even with WWII, it turned them into economic superpower in the modern era. Or are you just upset because you don't fit in?
I agree, you have the parasitic Marxists to thank for wrecking Europe. If they hadn't been there they would probably be able to maintain the same level of greatness they had in the 19th century.
It´s funny, you know? You treat immigrants like shit (though not all of them are parasites), and expect to be welcomed abroad with open arms. Why? How come Americans and Europeans have the right to come to our countries, have sex with our women, and sometimes even kill our people (not all of them, of course), and we treat you like if your passport was some sort of divine ID! LA countries were also made by immigrants, and we accept you. You, on the other hand, can´t. Utter rubbish.
I can't speak for others in America but don't treat immigrants like shit. If the immigrants are illegal then yes perhaps but not if they came in properly.
I came here properly as well, you know. I had to go through a long and tedious process to be considered "worthy" of staying here. I can speak three languages and my major is modern literature, but I will never sing "Kimi ga Yo". Why? Because I'm not Shinto, I don't believe that the Emperor is divine in any way and I don't want to be part of a reminiscence of WWII Imperial Japan. Now, do I deserve to be verbally and physically abused for my beliefs? I wouldn't be surprised if your answers is yes.
Ok fair enough. You have to understand where we're coming from though. See perhaps the nationalists are a bit to extreme in Japan but in Europe they have this problem where its the opposite extreme. They have people on top who are trying to push extreme multiculturalism and it is destroying Europe. In America we are a little more fortunate with polarization leading to a bit of a balance but their are these factions that want to make us like Europe in that regard.
I think you should ask yourself why you moved to Japan, I mean the national anthem is more than honouring a noble familly, your attitude is like the muslims.
Adapt yourslef or move, there are plenty of countries that would suit your unpatriotic lifestyle.
I moved to Japan, because Japan is more than patriotism and nationalism. And do not compare me to muslims, fow I respect the laws of this country, and cooperate with the authorities whenever's necessary. But not singing Kimi ga Yo isn't forbidden by the law. This isn't a fascist state anymore, for your information. I don't sing it because I'm not Shinto, and thus I don't believe that the emperor is a descendant of Amaterasu, but a man, like you and me. Period.
Oh, but the anthem doesn't stand for the emperor alone, it represents all the Japanese people and the country.
And about the fact that Japan is not a fascist state, I thinkyou must know that democracies have a habit to be more and more tolerant to the outside world and strangers, and with this, more and more people will move to japan.
And then the country will loose it's homogenous reputation.
I think that is a shame, Japan need more laws to protect it's race.
1) It does represent the Japanese State, but it´s based on a tanka dedicated to the emperor. I never that´s bad or that it should be changed, but that it´s based on that cult, and I don´t want to be a part of that. I will pay my taxes, vote, but I won´t be part of something I don´t believe in.
2) That has been happening for a while with Koreans and Chinese. The only difference is that westerners are not Asian, and consecuently look different. Oh, and with the Ainu and the Ryukyus, too!
Do you want the anthem to change or do you want it to have a different meaning? Do you disslike the monarchy?
I know very well about the weird native japanese people, however they are a very small minority just like the island natives Ryukyus, compared to the rest och japans population.
And the Ryukyu is still somewhat asians, along with the ainu, and I think it's no big deal to integrate them.
No, I just want the Japanese to respect my wishes in this matter; not to put pressure on me if I don't sing the anthem. And the natives aren't weird! What makes you say that!?
So, you see, Japanese aren't as "pure" as the nationalists want to make everyone belive. Compared to the Americans, perhaps, but not precisely "pure".
Well I think it is rather pure actually for being a very civilised society, you should compare it to america and Europe, and China, then you would see that Japan is indeed a very homogenous country.
And let us get real, the ainu is very integrated with the japanese society, and today the "hardcore" ainus dsoesn't even reach above 1 million people, the Ryukyu Islands have around 1,7 inhabitants, all of them isn't "hardcore ryukyu", lot of japanese people there too, so I mean of the given nationalities, I think they still are a little percent of the Japanese people in total.
Yes because they have no choice, there are very FEW of them. however pretty soon with your reputation, and with the sinking population, the country will be incaded time after time by immigrants, whining about racism and nationalism in Japan and how they feel opressed and the country will be so mixed that people will ask: What's japanese?
I don't wanna see that happen, every non japanese should get out.
"every non japanese should get out"... you do realize that the sakoku ended for reason, right?
reputation?
"the country will be incaded time after time by immigrants"... and so every country on earth. at least immigration to japan is low, comparatively speaking.
look, i have never complained about racism. i have not been discriminated once since i came here; on the contrary, people are extremely nice.
and it`s not whinig, but pointing out a social problem... unless you think racism is fine.
Well, does Kimigayo have Shinto roots, probably, but 1st, the constitution recognizes the symbolic emperor as an institution based on the will of the people, 2nd it's secular (no article 20,89 problem). If you don't like it, change the constitution. Also, the Tenno institution was vital in the Meji restoration, and existed long before you or I or our parents were born.
I never said the Japanese should change the constitution! What the hell are you talking about. What I'm saying is that society shouldn't pressure me to sing something I don't believe in. Doing anything by force or without conviction is awful here or anywhere.
最後に書いたのは法の支配の原理の下での常識。教育権の所在を勉強すればわかるが、国（国会で定められた法律）、親、教師は役割分担があるわけ。Like I said, no article 19 or 20 problem when it comes to Kimigayo. If you don't want to sing your nations anthem, fine. But the teachers, under law, can't force the children not to. And if you have a problem with 天皇制, change the constitution.
Let me tell you. Nationalism was the egg for the Nihonjinron, which made Japanese think their sui generis race was better than others. This mentality made them think they were entitled to lead the destiny of Asia. Japanese nationalism is linked to religion (Shinto more especifically), through which the military attributed the initial victories of the IJA to the divinity. Nationalism may do the same again if people start to forget the cuases of Japanese participation in WWII.
Well yes thinking ones race is superior is screwed up, but there is nothing wrong with thinking that ones culture is superior if ones culture is indeed superior. I for one think that America's culture is superior to much of the rest of the world. I also think the Japanese have the right to do the same. I mean there are specific things I can point to that I think they are superior in. Their economic model for one and their ability to resist the political correctness that infects much of Europe.
To the point of thinking you can impose it on others? Because that's what will eventually happen if you keep thinking it's "normal" to regard your culture as superior to others.
Man, Japanese right wingers think they are superior even to Americans and Europeans. In this day and age, how can that kind of mentality be good for your international relations, and consecuently your economic growth?
"To the point of thinking you can impose it on others? Because that's what will eventually happen."
Yes and I understand this is a touchy subject, but in some cases it is good to spread ones culture elsewhere if nothing else but for the benefit of the people of that other place.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with having pride in your nation. As a matter of fact, that's what's wrong with Europe, especially Germany. Being proud of your people is discouraged there; what a sick world we live in.
They should permanently fire those communist teachers.
communist? is that all you can come up with? right winger piece of shit, learn about japanese history and their sick sense of ultranationalism first, and then comment.
That "sick sense of ultranationalism" is what makes them such a powerful nation, both militarily in the 20th century and then economically later on. If certain European countries, namely Britain, France, and Germany, were to regain their pride, they would be much more powerful than they are currently. Modern day liberal genocide, disguised as multiculturalism, is destroying Europe as I type.
Of course I'm sure that doesn't hurt you any. You're probably just another American lib posing as a Jap.
I'm not posing as anything, moron. I currently live in Japan; I know how to speak Japanaese fluently and my major is modern Japanese Literature.
I know better than you that nationalism such as the one you describe ruined this country! And what would Japan, Britain, Germany do with such "power"? Try out another colonialist adventure? To you the idea od power comes from being on top of others, when in reality true power comes from respect. Go back to the Middle Ages.
You know when I read up on Japanese Marxist literature.I found stuff that sounded AWFULLY FAMILIAR.Such as"Japan is an evil fascist capitalist empire that exploits all of Asia's wealth."Just replace"Japan"with "America"and"Asia"with "the world" and you have an exact match for the tired old tripe that Marxists dribble on American campuses today.
Now for colonialism,imperialism etc you may want to research Oxford Prof Niall Ferguson, cause your views on it seem to be outdated in the 21st century.
"communist?is that all you can come up with? right winger piece of shit, learn about japanese history and their sick sense of ultranationalism first,and then comment."
There's nothing wrong with Japanese nationalism.And I don't know if he is a"right-wing piece of shit"but I'm a right-wing moderate and I think that nationalism is a healthy thing for any nation to have. The Greek political philosophers noted as much in their study of history.A strong sense of patriotism was healthy for any polis.
"Japanese nationalism is linked to religion (Shinto more especifically),"
Hey there's nothing wrong with mixing religion into your nationalism. We do it in America. Religion is another element of a healthy society.
And yes sure patriotism can be abused, but it is primarily a good thing, and letting Marxist teachers brainwash the kids into hating ones own country is far worse. Kudos to Japan for having the balls to make the Marxists shove it.
Religion deals with the metaphysical. We can't touch it, or see it, but we have faith in its existence. We segregate, abuse and even kill in its name. That may not be everyone's case, but militarists and extreme right wingers know it works like a charm in order to control the masses. "In the name of God"... doesn't that escapegoat sound familiar? Of course, in Japan that would be: "Tennou heika banzaaaai!!"...
"know it works like a charm in order to control the masses."
Ok extreme right wingers and militarists aside, both patriotism and religion have been historically good for civilizations throughout history. Now in recent times we've seen the rise of radicals and extremist leftists. As a sort of natural corrective measure you get the militarists and extreme right wingers, but you sometimes need to let them do what they do to prevent the masses from going to the opposite extreme.
don't see the big deal about this, all I know is that Japan had a pretty good deal after WWII, they didn't get the shame that is ingrained into Germans.
So basically this is Nazi?
rinwhr 6 days ago
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With china in border they have to keep patriotism closer.european nations completed their part of bloodshed,we know that from history books.its the turn of asia now.
supercop007 3 weeks ago
Taisho Democracy was destory before world war 2 by top militarist plot
Entei2000 6 months ago
Viva japan. Greetings from NY!
FlankerVT 8 months ago
The world would be a much more peaceful place without both nationalism and patriotism however most people are all for them and tend to get their knickers in a twist if anyone happens not to think the same way they do.
lewars1912 8 months ago
@bhensy I have taught in Japanese a public school for 3 years... I know a little bit more than the words. It is a very well written song that can be interpreted in many ways depending on your opinion on the Japanese people and their place in the world. I have seen the very best and very worst of the Japanese and I will tell you this. They are just people same as you and me.
BakaDaruku 8 months ago
Anybody remember the United Kingdom's national anthem?
JBofBrisbane 8 months ago
/care same as my oldc ountry holland was crying because the used there war flag in festivals
MPOEO 8 months ago
@SamHawkens At least someone intelligent that really loves and appreciate his country...you deserve a medal son
FrederEngelh 9 months ago
why worry about this when they say the plege of alligence in america every morning? You have to take stuff in to context.
SamuelFriberg 9 months ago
Westerners are VICIOUSLY bombarded in our schools, in the media and by our own state officials to be anti-patriotic, anti-religious, internationalists and liberals!
Japanese are an ingenous nation, they tried the "Western poison" of liberalism (actually is an Zionistic sophistry and has nothing to do with the real Europe) in the 50's an 60's and saw the outcome (we failed).
Decandence, anarchy, chaos, destruction of social bondages, so they turn back to their traditional values.
GOOD FOR THEM!!
serreosoo8 10 months ago
nationalism for Japan! Regards from Europe
HolyOrderr 10 months ago 3
I see nothing wrong with Japanese showing patriotism to their nation. We Americans do not require anybody to say the pledge. Many, such as the Jehovah Witnesses, do not participate in the Pledge of Alliegence and are not punished. Japan should simply develope the same policy who are not convicted to show national patriotism. Once again, it is good to see Japanese patriotism on the rise. Longe live our great allie, Japan.
evchesser 11 months ago
Those who refuse to sing the anthem ought to be beat up for their hatred of Japanese history and culture.
NewVinland 11 months ago
@NewVinland Be careful with what you wish. You might go first, shitty Aryan wannabe cunt.
makokun9 11 months ago
@SamHawkens so You mean "Long live the Fuhrer"?
crunkit81 11 months ago
@SamHawkens you are an Idiot! the Nationlism & Emperor is what made Japan suffer for YEARS!
& to this day. OF course its ok & good to be proud of your country But also have respect & Knowlege of other countries. in Recent times Yes the Japanese have been very open & also proud of their country.
Raymasaki 1 year ago
@Raymasaki The MILITARY made Japan suffer for years,not the Emperor.Also Nationalism does not mean you hate every other country,it just means you are devoted to your country,your people,and your culture.
rimidalv47 11 months ago
@rimidalv47 Hiro Hito Gave ORDERS to Hideki! & chichibu.
IT was the Government! just like in Germany.
well that depends SOME Nationlists are convinced they are "the Best" on the planet,
eg, china. ONCE again to all Dumb Retards, Im a proud American But at the same time Respect &
like Most countries in the world.
Raymasaki 10 months ago
@rimidalv47 DUH! who do you think gives the orders to the Military? Donald Duck!?
being proud of your country is a Good thing BUT what people are worried about is what Happened in Germany & Japan during the late 30's. im sure you have NO idea what im talking about.
Raymasaki 10 months ago
@Raymasaki It was the Diet which is ruled by Taisei Yokusankai which is ruled by Hideki Tojo who was also Prime Minister(aka the ruler of Japan).The only thing Hirohito did was rally the nation.I don't have any idea huh? So why don't you enlighten me.
rimidalv47 10 months ago
@rimidalv47
the prime minister is NOT the leader!
in England theres been Blair,Brown, &cameron
theres still always the same Queen. in Japan same thing the prime minister is not gonna do anything the emperor would disaprove of. theres been many pms in Japan almost 1 a yr.
The Tanaka memorial was Hiros ideal & vision.
anyone said anything against the emperor they were killed. of course its Government was more than 1 guy but to say hiro was innocent is down right Dumb
Raymasaki 10 months ago
people in america sing their national anthem, what the hells wrong when another country does so? cough cough* hypocrites
k0rea12 1 year ago
@k0rea12 WHO said its America questioning them!?
LOOK the channel is FRANCE24!! what part of (FRANCE 24 ) don't you understand?
DumbASS
Raymasaki 1 year ago
@SamHawkens I agree brother, the same thing is going on in Norway, though not to the same extent as in Germany yet.
we are taught in school to love multiculturalism and interracial relationships, we are taught to be emberassed and ashamed about our culture, and history.
we are slowly being killed off one by one.
either we all have to take a stand, european, latin, slav and asian united together to keep our rights and to keep our history, or we will surely perish!
INSANESUICIDE 1 year ago
Looking at this I find that Japanese schools (and indeed Japan as a whole) is much more nationalistic than us, which is in my opinion very good. The people must learn to love their country, or else the world will become a massive slurry of American-influenced crap. So I proudly stand and say, 'The will of the Emperor is the will of God!'
MackeMas 1 year ago
Two atomic bombs, a devastating defeat, an ongoing US occupation, and yet their national spirit has not been reduced, we got to admit, the Japanese are stubborn..
XxLIVRAxX 1 year ago 3
You should be happy to love your country and beeing able to show it.
PROXEIROULA 1 year ago
What the fuck! How is it controversial to sing the Japanese National Anthem? Again the West and everything European and Zionist is trying to take world. Japan is a beautiful nation with a proud history. This is cultural genocide! To make Japanese forget there heritage is a make them slaves to western values. It's why they have so much social problems now. They have forgotten who they are! They are simply trying to maintain a national identity before it gets lost in western consumerism.
PanFascist85 1 year ago
@PanFascist85 Said a facist stinking piece of shit.
No wonder!
makokun9 1 year ago
@SamHawkens National pride has nothing to do with the songs and sentences who are forbidden in Germany. Nor is it truthfully for you to say that Germans do not praise their country (I mean just look at the flag explosion on peoples cars at the WM) People havn't stopped being proud of their country just because this songs etc were forbidden because they are related to the Nazis.
Und sei mal ehrlich: Glaubst du wirklich das es irgendwen hier interessiert den Schultag so zu beginnen?
JoinTheHabbit 1 year ago
What a nonsense, Sir. Try it, got to Berlin and sing "O Deutschland hoch in Ehren", "Die Wacht am Rhein" or the first verse of the Deutschlandlied. Those songs may not be forbidden in legal terms but whoever sings them is called a "right-wing activist", a "person living in the past" and so on. Furthermore, you cannot compare some people waving flags like monkeys in the zoo to real patriotism. Dieser WM-Patriditiismus hat einen Dreck mit echtem Nationalgefühl zu tun, mein Herr. Das sind Leute,
SamHawkens 1 year ago
die ihre Flagge aus dem Haus hängen, weil es momentan modisch ist. Meistens hängen die die Flagge sogar falsch herum auf. Das hat nichts mit Patriotismus zu tun, sondern mit Fußball. So wie ein Fußballfan seine Bundesligamannschaft anfeuert, feuert man alle vier Jahre die DFB-Mannschaft an. "Vereinsfarben" sind Schwarz-Rot-Gold. Man könnte genausogut Grün-Weiß-Rot nehmen, und niemand würde sich daran stören.
May Japan not follow the way of disgrace as we did. May she remain strong and proud.
SamHawkens 1 year ago
@SamHawkens Aber die Verse des Deutschlandliedes zu singen ist patriotisch? Denkst du echt mehr Leute sind stolz auf ihr Land wenn sie in der Öffentlichkeit dieses Liedchen singen? Das ist ja dann auch nicht mehr als von der Stimmung mitgerissen zu werden.
Außerdem ist die Situation in Japan eine ganz andere. zB. Der Schulbuchvorfall der die japanische imperialistische Expansion auf China und die koreanische Halbinsel wird als präventiver Verteidigungsakt erklärte.
JoinTheHabbit 1 year ago
Die auch wie wir Österreicher Politiker die mit solchen Verleugnungen durchkommen (Da beneide ich euch Deutschen, bei euch können die nicht einfach ein Politiker "gute Beschäftigungspolitik im 3. reich" sagen oder die Schuld im WW2 leugnen)Da ist es kein Wunder das die Lehrerin + Eltern, den wachsenden Patrionismus als Gefahr sehen. Und seien wir mal ganz ehrlich das Lied in seiner Freizeit zu singen ist ja nichts schlechtes, aber in eine Schule gehört so was nicht hin.
btw: ich bin ne "miss" ;)
JoinTheHabbit 1 year ago
Na und? Außer uns -- politisch korrekt ausgedrückten -- deutschspachigen Völkern hat niemand Interesse daran, sich selbst in den Dreck zu reiten. Wir lieben es, uns ständig selbst als Bösewichte zu bezeichnen und uns im Schuldkult zu suhlen. Dass andere, gesündere Völker die Geschichte zu ihren Gunsten statt zu ihren Ungunsten auslegen, ist etwas ganz Natürliches. In amerikanischen Geschichtsbücher lesen Sie ja auch nichts von der Ausrottung der Indianer, sondern nur von "God's own country".
SamHawkens 1 year ago
Die eigene Schuld eingestehen (und in den Schulen die eigenen Grausamkeiten nicht zu verheimlichen) hat bitte gar nichts mit "in den Dreck reiten" zu tun. Das die Amis und andere Nationen ihre Schuld an Genoziden und unötiger Brutalität verleugnen macht die Sache nicht etwa richtig. Deutschland mag zwar auch seine Fehler haben aber zumindest wurde die Schuldbekennung für die Shoa besser als in anderen Nationen geregelt. Warum zeigts du nicht mal ein wenig Patriotismus und bist stolz darauf?
JoinTheHabbit 1 year ago
Nein, mein Herr, sich seine eigene Schuld eingestehen und das, was bei uns abgeht, sind zwei Paar Schuhe. Wir sind krankhaft auf die Shoa fixiert, alles, was wir tun, muss im Lichte der Shoa gesehen werden. Wir können weder unserer Kriegstoten noch der Vertriebenen gedenken, ohne dass irgendwer daherkommt und von deutscher Schuld faselt. Wir sind KRANK. Darauf kann kein gesunder Mensch stolz sein.
Und kein gesundes Volk kann es uns gleichtun. Möge Japan es uns nicht gleichtun. Bleibe es gesund!
SamHawkens 1 year ago
1:48 OH MY GOD! they gonna RIOT!!!
HIGH777ROLLER 1 year ago
Look, they see the growing influences (the crappy ones) of the West on kids. They don't want a culture of kids trying to act like gang thugs and being rude. They are simply trying to maintain a national identity before it gets lost in western consumerism. I don't blame them. They are not worshipping the Emperor. I really like Japanese society... polite and respectful. What has America become? A bastion of misbehaved adults acting like spoiled, ill-parented rude idiots.
laughingtiger123 1 year ago 2
@laughingtiger123
generalizations. I love how people sound idiotic especially if said observations come from teens. Most Americans aren't like that. tHere are thugs, gangsters, and crime everywhere. Japan has the yakuza. actually plz learn more about Japan. Its just as fucked up as any other developed country.
lordblazer 1 year ago
When start loving your country, you lose respect for other countries. Quite true in Japan.
If the Japanese has truly changed, changing the flag and anthem would be a good place to start.
Infatuation with the Japanese from the West really disgusts me. What the hell do you know about here?
And no, they are not noble.
felnaris 1 year ago
@felnaris
yea, Japanese culture is quite erm interesting. I find it interesting that in Japan they take everyone elses ideas. either change them slightly to make them japanese or they take it to the next level and are over the top with certain mindsets. I'm heading back to Japan soon. People really don't understand how nationalism works, and Japan is always the perfect example of what things look like when they get out of control fast.
lordblazer 1 year ago
@lordblazer
they preach of honour but practice none
you a foreign student here?
felnaris 1 year ago
@felnaris
well I study at university of oklahoma, but I am always in Asia. China, Korea, Japan, Turkey, Singapore etc. I'm heading back to Japan to finish my research project. I'm international affairs and economics, and my focus is on political economy. But part of my training is understanding what nationalism is, and the dangers it can cause as it has the power to destabilize countries, and cause unneccessary wars. I'm aspiring to become a diplomat :D
lordblazer 1 year ago
@lordblazer
similar work choice too, eh?
I'm planning to work in the foreign service. You American?
I'll be doing political science over here
felnaris 1 year ago
i dont get what's wrong with it......
lauravillegas97 1 year ago
@SamHawkens i feel bad for germany, us americans are in the process of having our balls cut too but the snippers are too close and alot of us are waking up before we get snipped.
letsgoforajoyride 1 year ago
Long Live Patriotism, we should have the same in Europe. I also wish Europe was so racially homogeneus
SpainWPWW 1 year ago
Nationalism is a noble idea and the Japanese are a noble race, that haven't been affected as much by the disgusting PC brainwashing of todays societies. So it doesn't surprise me that they are nationalistic.
UnyieldingDefiance 1 year ago
@UnyieldingDefiance hahaha. the sickest nastiest porn i seen is from japan ..
who are you kidding lol. never before had i seen a woman get double penetrated by golden retrievers .. made in japan haha..
letsgoforajoyride 1 year ago
@UnyieldingDefiance
nationalism is an diotic 19th/20th century idea. People forgot the lives lost due to it going out of control in many countries. Including Japan. The US has never seen war on its shores for quite some time, and I mean total war. Soo the lessons learned by many have been forgotten by Americans.
lordblazer 1 year ago
@lordblazer Communism and Socialism has seen far more lives lost than Nationalism has, even with the fabled gas chambers. There is nothing outdated about it, it is what great nations have been built on.
UnyieldingDefiance 1 year ago
@UnyieldingDefiance
hmm nationalism is an outdated idea. Lives were lost for it. COmmunist countries used nationalism as a tool to make their agendas meet. The US gov't is responsible for taking many lives to under the same pretense. People take up arms and fight. Very few people are doing it to defend their families and friends. MAny are doing it to defend their great nation of some sort. That's quite nationalistic. the NAZIs were nationalistic in their fervor.
lordblazer 1 year ago
I'd say Nationalism Is strongest in the US then in any other country right now- Japan Is doing great.
stevenmcnair1897 1 year ago
@stevenmcnair1897
yea, you can't even state facts that the US need healthcare reform. ppl freak and tell you to live in N.Korea because apparently there isn't anywhere else in this world that can provide you with the quality of life you're use to or maybe one thats even better. because outside of the US to a lot of Americans the world is still war torn in their minds. I dunno. Americans who are expats tend to be different.
lordblazer 1 year ago
i like the melody and the poem (heian period). but i don´t want it to be mandatory at school etc. same goes for crosses in school classrooms (e.g. bavaria germany). i want children to be educated to be thinking, critical human beings and being able to choose for themselves what they like, believe in and so on. one part is respect, and another (underrated) is being able to accept criticism.
sutekinabushi13 1 year ago
Hmm, Viet Nam was the only country to knock down U.S. Imperialism
XXISimplicityXXI 1 year ago 4
@XXISimplicityXXI the philippines did too
letsgoforajoyride 1 year ago
@XXISimplicityXXI , yea! Thats right! Vietnamese are really brave nation. A part of Japanese came originally from Vietnam.
loveyoufolks 1 year ago
Fuck Nationalism, why can't every one be friends and be Communists
SMGJohn 1 year ago
@SMGJohn communism hippy tree huggin gay,
honest capitalism grows true friends, business partners, and relationships.
letsgoforajoyride 1 year ago
@letsgoforajoyride Honest Capitalists BUY friends, they BUY business, partners and relationship.
The only true system that truly can bring happiness is Communism in your brainwashed American proppaganda eyes you only see Communism as evilness but it's something completly different!
SMGJohn 1 year ago
I think the atmosphere of this world is universalistic in nature, nationalism is in opposition to universalism!! As for freedom of thought dealing with children is to prepare their minds for it! For example you would take sociology and group sociology and put the research into a fairytale. . . I think we did that a long time ago not so much today, the fairytale about the king with no clothes was a good one about conformity!!!
Tuphut 1 year ago
"teachers worry about patriotism becoming nationalism."
OHH! OH MY! Nationalism! We can't have that! Oh! Oh that's just AWFUL!
JohananRaatz 1 year ago
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Japanese Troublesome Attitude (Hated around East Asia):-
1) Holocaust and war crimes denial.
2) Pretentious
3) Hypocrisy ~ Like a wolf in a monk robe.
4) Perverts ~ Rape anything that move from 8 - 80 years old (some are necrophilliac too)...
5) Cold blooded ~ Slaughter and massacre of Ainu, when it's about to extinct they turn their attention to whales and dolphins.
6) Abnormal & whoring Mentality
7)Radioactive ~ Genetically polluted by uranium and plutonium......
JapsLoveChildPorn 1 year ago
amm... here in argentina is EXACTLY the same when we start classes. the parents come,we sing 'himno a la patria', wich is very important. All of them(children and parents) stands up, hands in their hearts, etc.
bordduciel 1 year ago
Pero Kimi ga Yo no es como cualquier otro himno. No se trata sólo de sentido de la identidad y patriotismo, sino de nostalgia por tiempos en los que los japoneses, literalmente, creían ser la más superior de las razas en Asia, e incluso el mundo, junto a los alemanes. En mi país también existe esa costumbre, y es saludable, pues la letra del himno no incita a la superioridad, ni a la creencia en que un simple ser humano, sea divino.
makokun9 1 year ago
ahhh, pense que era un himno 'normal'. Pero mira, por ej, en mi himno dice una parte en la cual españa es el leon y nosotors lo derrotamos, bueno,muy poeticamente. No como yo lo escribi.
igual por ahi no es nada comparado, pero...es su himno.. no se si incita realmente, porque pareciera no improtarles. A nosotros españa nos pidio que borraramos es aparte,y lo hicimos. No se, a mi no me aprecio lo mejor. Es aprte de la historia de mi pais.
bordduciel 1 year ago
Long live to the Nihon Spirit. Nation is a social body with soul.
eukako83 2 years ago
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tangbein 2 years ago
You should look at your country more objectively like a view from other country's person. Many ppl in the world including us are very envious of your country because Germany have a lot of smart ppl and have kept producing amazing products, get lots of novel prizes etc.etc.. In Japan German's products mean the highest quality, safety and robust, moreover the Germans always show distinguished performance in sports field like soccer, Olympic, F1, tennis etc. What would you need more !?
kensan0809 2 years ago
Sam has a point.
In Austria it is illegal to even speak of Nazis, as such they skip the WW2 in schools like it was a bad dream.
We had a german exchange student one year and she spoke about how main stream german society and media go out of their way to quash German patriotism.
nerdycub 2 years ago
Sweden actually doesn't have an official national anthem since the one that we sing are only used out of tradition and is not stated in the law.
I can't remember ever singing the anthem at an official event. We don't sing it in school and I at least doesn't even sing it on our national day.
I'm a bit skeptical towards patriotism. I think it can help to keep the country together, but at the same time it can be a major obstacle for the internationalization of the country.
SilkSwe 2 years ago
nothing wrong with this is part of japanese past
teriyo2 2 years ago 3
"BakaDaruku"s views was well said in his comment, though short but compacted.!!! I memorized the last line for my use. I don't hate Japanese only of its labor policies in that country. Likewise, racism in Japan is deeply embedded in their minds. It is not possible to think of homogenous society when Japan had japanese descent children in other asian countries, as far back as 1900 found in history books. This children are today known as "nikkeijin" and "shin-nikkeijin" whose fathers were Japanese
432cestus80 2 years ago
hm, in Norway we sing it at our national day only.... I think at least, not so sure :P. Lately the only place I've heard the national athem has been under international competitions like the olympics and stuff like that.
tangbein 2 years ago
I'm Japanese. This is one of the most sensitive issues in Japan. It's true that the lyric expresses the deep homage to Japanese emperor. The problem is we have the very tragic history that millions of Japanese died to protect Japan island headed by the emperor during WWII. During the war, all students were forced to show the highest respect to their emperor and national frag and if they didn't, they're striken hard by adults.
kensan0809 2 years ago
Every country in the world left millions of dead people during WWII (not usa). In the deutsches reich when someone had no respect to germany he got killed.
cave321 2 years ago
I see. Your country also have a sad history, but I think the Germans have made a much more effort to reconsider the history than Japanese. Therere many young Japanese who dont know what Japan did to Asian countries in WWII. So we often get severe criticisms about it from Asian countries suffered from the war with Japan in WWII. However, a big governmental power shift just happened here, so I hope the new government (The Democratic Party of Japan) will soon change the attitude.
kensan0809 2 years ago
to cave321
you no USA droped 2 nukes on japan right? not to sure wether your joking or poorly educated
RandyNumNutz 2 years ago
So?
Their died less people than in every other country were the war had been (like russia, germany, poland or CHINA)
cave321 2 years ago
but the consecuences where even worst for japan, in their chldren, their lands tha in other countries.
bordduciel 1 year ago
Of course not. They got support from america, france and netherlands. Even not everyone of their houses had been bombed.
cave321 1 year ago
@cave321 I have no idea what you are trying to say, much less what point you are trying to make. Please learn english properly before attempting to speak/write in it to others
yamamotogenji 1 year ago
Well I'm American and at least at the schools we attended growing up they never even taught us the national anthem. The parts of it I know are only from seeing pre-game performances just before football games. We did speak the 'Pledge of Allegiance' at the start of each school day from about Kindergarten through I think 8th grade (this was approximately 1998/1999) but that ceased due to complaints from the ACLU since our pledge states "one nation under God" and apparently God is offensive.
kalmtraveler 2 years ago
God is not offensive - but forcing the god of only one of the present rekigious communities upon all of them is.
42317 2 years ago
I understand you there 100%, but with the pledge of allegiance - it's more paying homage to those who fought and died to get and keep the USA up and running on it's own. I know the 'under God' part was only added in 1954 but since the founding peoples who fought off British control were primarily here for religious freedom it seems like we could take a step back and just appreciate things in that light.
kalmtraveler 2 years ago
Yes, they came to seek religious freedom - and that's why all religious groups should be principally respected and not be told every morning that they are inferior.
By the way, millions of Japanese also "died to get and keep Japan up and running on it's own", the only difference being that they lost the war and served a fascist ideology. But the Japanese also honor those who failed - if they put their heart in their task, like Takamori Saigo. Unthinkable in the west, where losers are unpopular.
42317 2 years ago
I dont sing my national anthem at all .... i dont even know God Save the Queen ....
Phleminem 2 years ago
Nothing wrong with this. I used to say the pledge of allegiance daily, and in high school when I was in MCJROTC we used to say the pledge of allegiance daily and every week sang the national anthem and marine corps hymn.
dkickboxer 2 years ago
I remember saying the pledge of allegiance in America every morning in my school. I think my senior or junior year we kind of stopped. It wasn't pledged everyday, probably about once a week from what I remember.
About this, from what I understand, the song was used to unit the Japanese people behind the emperors back for the war. I don't have the whole picture so it's hard to take sides. I can see why some people don't like it.
Legacy241 2 years ago
the problem is they don't have the choice to sing or not. And some of teacher who refuse to sing are suspended of their jobs
Melusine2001 2 years ago
In Latvia we sing the national anthem at the beginning and at the end of every school year.
sherrynd 2 years ago
Yeah we too and at most of polish holidays
uchicha666 2 years ago
I dont see what the big deal is
as long as they teach about other countries & to Respect other countries & Different people.
MetalHeart8787 2 years ago
now focus on USA
mentiraexpuesta 2 years ago
Learning to love your nation is a great thing. Learning to love your people is the greatest love.
UnitedFront1488 2 years ago
In China,as a student, you have to sing the national athem every monday morning.
haidishi 2 years ago
holy shit, I'd ganged after the first week :P
tangbein 2 years ago
I am a Japanese American and for fun I attended school there for a couple of weeks in Japan. I gotta tell you the stuff they learn. Well, maybe it's more important what they don't learn. Everything about their dark past during WW2 era is kept secret from the education system, essentially wiping it from history with each passing generation.
abezuru 2 years ago 3
Not only Japan
i am singapore we have to sing the national athem when we was grade 1
Killergrayback 2 years ago
I don't want those people to sing anyway. I guess leave them alone.
decadecaman 2 years ago
Oh my God, this video is soooo Biased!
From an Englishman in Tokyo.
Technonotice1 2 years ago
splendid tale chap
tangbein 2 years ago
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Psssomeoneslistening 2 years ago
I don't call this patriotism, it's nationalism. The problem is, at least national anthem, is directly a praise of the Japanese imperial system which should have been demolished after WW II. It's no different than forcing students to say "Hail Hitler!" in German public school.
Japan(at least the government) is a third world country when it comes to civil liberty. People have no idea.
allgoo19 2 years ago
A food for thought.
The symbolic imperial system is a statutory establishment. (Article 1,2 of the constitution)
The draft of the Japanese constitution was written by GHQ staffs. The Far East Tribunal at first tried but couldn't prosecute the Emperor due to lack of facts. Even more, Radhabinod Pal sentenced all 11 defendants "Not Guilty."
You seem to have no facts.
So here's some extra facts, the anthem is based on an old poem praising not the emperor but a local chieftain.
Psssomeoneslistening 2 years ago
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Psssomeoneslistening 2 years ago
Psomeoneslistening:
food for thought for you.
Most important document is missing, the conversation between the emperor and MacArthur(Chief prosecutor) in secrecy, which wasn't supposed to be happening in the first place. Prosecutor and defendant making secret meeting, making a deal? That's unthinkable else where. MacArthur was the most corrupt military leader at the time.
Imperial system wasn't symbolic until the WWII ended. Hirohito had his hand directly in the policy. He's guilty as hell.
allgoo19 2 years ago
Psss:
Some scholars believe the emperor had a big sum of gold stolen from China during the occupation and hid it when the war ended.
He used it as a leverage to save him in the deal. It'll never be proven if this was true but if you keep this in mind then see the other unthinkable results took place later, it becomes all clear.
allgoo19 2 years ago
Typical left wing blogs like Huff~whatever or The Daily K?? may be full of conspiracies, but lies repeated 100 times don't change no facts. Capish?
Psssomeoneslistening 2 years ago
Psss:
Nobody's denying the secret meeting took place. Is that usual at other tribunal? Do you think it's nothing wrong?
This is not a lib, neocon issue, it's right or wrong issue.
allgoo19 2 years ago
Ex post facto law. But let's over look that point.
Read the judgment for Kouki Hirota. Apply that to Nancy Pelosi, hmm, she should be hanged.
The head of GHQ meeting with the head of state: international protocol.
You really need to learn about laws. Name for me on article in the Japanese constitution that is "Third World," then we'll talk.
Psssomeoneslistening 2 years ago
Psss:
Let's focus on one thing at a time.
What other tribunal had an incident where chief prosecutor met with the defendant behind a closed door and left no record?
Name one. If you have a link to the record, post it.
allgoo19 2 years ago
Prosecutorial Discretion. None issue.
And very nice, avoid the question you brought up first.
You really want to go into ex post facto law?
I'll just answer my own question.
First, defining "Third World" human rights.
Void of constitutional protection, rule of law, and checks and review.
Japan, constitutionally fine, but there is room for improvement of applying article 14. The case of illegitimate children is a topic I have an interest in. See, if you do understand JP laws, easy question.
Psssomeoneslistening 2 years ago
Psss:
It's not the law I'm talking about. It's the people's, specially in the government, attitude. They are the only one in industrialized nation that doesn't use jury system and nobody seems to think it's wrong. And this, prosecutor deal with the defendant in secrecy and nobody thinks it's wrong. At least I have never heard of when I was in Japan. If this is allowed in trial anywhere, each trial will have a price tag and prosecutors will be very rich.
allgoo19 2 years ago
Psss:
And it puzzles me, you seem to think it's ok to have secret meeting between prosecutor and the defendant knowing its consequences.
So, why it should be allowed?
allgoo19 2 years ago
As you can see in the video and some of the comments, some Japanese refuse to embrace the national anthem, and flag. The law only establishes that the Hinomaru and Kimigayo are the national flag and anthem. This law was established after a school master committed suicide after the teachers union objected to having the national flag and anthem displayed during graduation. No one was forced to sing Kimigayo, but some just want it out of the school system entirely. Insubordination for ideology.
Psssomeoneslistening 2 years ago
No, I don't want to go that far.
It's not about imposing, but respecting. I just don't want to feel forced to sing it, but some members of Japanese society are too patriotic and religious to let it go easily.
Fortunately, I have never had problems with anyone so far.
makokun9 2 years ago
Still, what you want is a form of totalitarianism. Freedom of speech(21) and freedom of religion(20) will cause friction. But you can agree to disagree. I would refer you to a poll conducted by 内閣府 regarding JSDF. From the numbers, you'll realize that "some" is an overstatement.
If you have problems with anyone, use your right to disagree with them. If they use force, call the authority. Teachers using their authority over students to promote their personal ideology is illegal and wrong.
Psssomeoneslistening 2 years ago
I hate it when this happens, patriotism is good, every copuntry can't aim for multiculturalism, god what a boring world that would be if every fucking country had the same mix of culture!
And them white/black etc. people whining about "Japanese people being so racist and patriotic", well get the fuck out of Japan then, you're the guests, foreigners, japan can do it without you, and you know that. You just ruin the country with your lazy foreign lifestyle.
Move to USA
Imhornydadcomeinside 2 years ago
You are Swedish, aren't you? A foreigner (from a country that is the epitome of liberalism on Earth) telling another foreigner to "get the fuck out". Man, you're either nuts or a troll looking for attention.
It is not people whining about racism in Japan, but people complaining about racism in general. And if foreign lifestyle represents Japan's ruin, why its revolution was based on implementing Western reforms and technology? Sigh... idiot.
makokun9 2 years ago
I absolutely love what Japan is doing. We should do that here in America. Could you imagine how much fun it would be to here the commie teacher's union scream and howl?
JohananRaatz 2 years ago
I bet it would make you very happy to see that, since you probably have nothing better to do anyway.
Well, keep wishing. Let´s see how it comes out in real life.
makokun9 2 years ago
Well I'm sure I can brainstorm some ideas about how to promote patriotism through public venues. Heck my friends run the student government at school, and they agreed to my idea that we have the university officially celebrate Loyalty Day this May 1st. I just have to remind them of it in about a month.
JohananRaatz 2 years ago
"Impressive" progress...
makokun9 2 years ago
As for the attitudes of the Japanese right-wingers you mention, that attitude can be partially ok (we have an equivalent in the US "American exceptionalism") however it must be tempered especially at the top in such a way to sort of not point ones nationalism at ones allies. Look at the close relationship between Shinzo Abe's administration and the Bush administration for example. That would be ideal.
JohananRaatz 2 years ago
With that power we'd get rid of all the turd world immigrants that have been polluting Europe since WWII ended. Colonization was a bad idea; France is paying a heavy price for it, and so is the UK. It may very well be the price of their blood.
So, how did nationalism ruin Japan? It's the only reason they haven't picked up millions of immigrants like Europeans have, and, even with WWII, it turned them into economic superpower in the modern era. Or are you just upset because you don't fit in?
Kanz1er 2 years ago 2
I agree, you have the parasitic Marxists to thank for wrecking Europe. If they hadn't been there they would probably be able to maintain the same level of greatness they had in the 19th century.
JohananRaatz 2 years ago
It´s funny, you know? You treat immigrants like shit (though not all of them are parasites), and expect to be welcomed abroad with open arms. Why? How come Americans and Europeans have the right to come to our countries, have sex with our women, and sometimes even kill our people (not all of them, of course), and we treat you like if your passport was some sort of divine ID! LA countries were also made by immigrants, and we accept you. You, on the other hand, can´t. Utter rubbish.
makokun9 2 years ago
I can't speak for others in America but don't treat immigrants like shit. If the immigrants are illegal then yes perhaps but not if they came in properly.
JohananRaatz 2 years ago
I came here properly as well, you know. I had to go through a long and tedious process to be considered "worthy" of staying here. I can speak three languages and my major is modern literature, but I will never sing "Kimi ga Yo". Why? Because I'm not Shinto, I don't believe that the Emperor is divine in any way and I don't want to be part of a reminiscence of WWII Imperial Japan. Now, do I deserve to be verbally and physically abused for my beliefs? I wouldn't be surprised if your answers is yes.
makokun9 2 years ago
Ok fair enough. You have to understand where we're coming from though. See perhaps the nationalists are a bit to extreme in Japan but in Europe they have this problem where its the opposite extreme. They have people on top who are trying to push extreme multiculturalism and it is destroying Europe. In America we are a little more fortunate with polarization leading to a bit of a balance but their are these factions that want to make us like Europe in that regard.
JohananRaatz 2 years ago
Granted. In the case of Europe, I have nothing to say. The islamization of Europe worries me as well.
makokun9 2 years ago
I think you should ask yourself why you moved to Japan, I mean the national anthem is more than honouring a noble familly, your attitude is like the muslims.
Adapt yourslef or move, there are plenty of countries that would suit your unpatriotic lifestyle.
Imhornydadcomeinside 2 years ago
I moved to Japan, because Japan is more than patriotism and nationalism. And do not compare me to muslims, fow I respect the laws of this country, and cooperate with the authorities whenever's necessary. But not singing Kimi ga Yo isn't forbidden by the law. This isn't a fascist state anymore, for your information. I don't sing it because I'm not Shinto, and thus I don't believe that the emperor is a descendant of Amaterasu, but a man, like you and me. Period.
makokun9 2 years ago
Oh, but the anthem doesn't stand for the emperor alone, it represents all the Japanese people and the country.
And about the fact that Japan is not a fascist state, I thinkyou must know that democracies have a habit to be more and more tolerant to the outside world and strangers, and with this, more and more people will move to japan.
And then the country will loose it's homogenous reputation.
I think that is a shame, Japan need more laws to protect it's race.
Imhornydadcomeinside 2 years ago
1) It does represent the Japanese State, but it´s based on a tanka dedicated to the emperor. I never that´s bad or that it should be changed, but that it´s based on that cult, and I don´t want to be a part of that. I will pay my taxes, vote, but I won´t be part of something I don´t believe in.
2) That has been happening for a while with Koreans and Chinese. The only difference is that westerners are not Asian, and consecuently look different. Oh, and with the Ainu and the Ryukyus, too!
makokun9 2 years ago
Do you want the anthem to change or do you want it to have a different meaning? Do you disslike the monarchy?
I know very well about the weird native japanese people, however they are a very small minority just like the island natives Ryukyus, compared to the rest och japans population.
And the Ryukyu is still somewhat asians, along with the ainu, and I think it's no big deal to integrate them.
Imhornydadcomeinside 2 years ago
No, I just want the Japanese to respect my wishes in this matter; not to put pressure on me if I don't sing the anthem. And the natives aren't weird! What makes you say that!?
So, you see, Japanese aren't as "pure" as the nationalists want to make everyone belive. Compared to the Americans, perhaps, but not precisely "pure".
makokun9 2 years ago
Well I think it is rather pure actually for being a very civilised society, you should compare it to america and Europe, and China, then you would see that Japan is indeed a very homogenous country.
Imhornydadcomeinside 2 years ago
Comparatively speaking, yes. Homogenous per se, no.
makokun9 2 years ago
And let us get real, the ainu is very integrated with the japanese society, and today the "hardcore" ainus dsoesn't even reach above 1 million people, the Ryukyu Islands have around 1,7 inhabitants, all of them isn't "hardcore ryukyu", lot of japanese people there too, so I mean of the given nationalities, I think they still are a little percent of the Japanese people in total.
Imhornydadcomeinside 2 years ago
Yes, they integrated, indeed, which poves exactly my point.
makokun9 2 years ago
Yes because they have no choice, there are very FEW of them. however pretty soon with your reputation, and with the sinking population, the country will be incaded time after time by immigrants, whining about racism and nationalism in Japan and how they feel opressed and the country will be so mixed that people will ask: What's japanese?
I don't wanna see that happen, every non japanese should get out.
Imhornydadcomeinside 2 years ago
"every non japanese should get out"... you do realize that the sakoku ended for reason, right?
reputation?
"the country will be incaded time after time by immigrants"... and so every country on earth. at least immigration to japan is low, comparatively speaking.
look, i have never complained about racism. i have not been discriminated once since i came here; on the contrary, people are extremely nice.
and it`s not whinig, but pointing out a social problem... unless you think racism is fine.
makokun9 2 years ago
And btw, why do you live in Japan? I mean you must be of south american origin or sumethin', not at all japanese?
Imhornydadcomeinside 2 years ago
... So?
makokun9 2 years ago
Well, does Kimigayo have Shinto roots, probably, but 1st, the constitution recognizes the symbolic emperor as an institution based on the will of the people, 2nd it's secular (no article 20,89 problem). If you don't like it, change the constitution. Also, the Tenno institution was vital in the Meji restoration, and existed long before you or I or our parents were born.
日本国憲法上思想は絶対不可侵、行動に移す場合は別。 教師は何でも教えていいってのはメ
Psssomeoneslistening 2 years ago
I never said the Japanese should change the constitution! What the hell are you talking about. What I'm saying is that society shouldn't pressure me to sing something I don't believe in. Doing anything by force or without conviction is awful here or anywhere.
それと、君が最後に書いたのは自分の意見なの？それとも命令？まるでファシストだな。
makokun9 2 years ago
最後に書いたのは法の支配の原理の下での常識。教育権の所在を勉強すればわかるが、国（国会で定められた法律）、親、教師は役割分担があるわけ。Like I said, no article 19 or 20 problem when it comes to Kimigayo. If you don't want to sing your nations anthem, fine. But the teachers, under law, can't force the children not to. And if you have a problem with 天皇制, change the constitution.
Psssomeoneslistening 2 years ago
Let me tell you. Nationalism was the egg for the Nihonjinron, which made Japanese think their sui generis race was better than others. This mentality made them think they were entitled to lead the destiny of Asia. Japanese nationalism is linked to religion (Shinto more especifically), through which the military attributed the initial victories of the IJA to the divinity. Nationalism may do the same again if people start to forget the cuases of Japanese participation in WWII.
makokun9 2 years ago
Well yes thinking ones race is superior is screwed up, but there is nothing wrong with thinking that ones culture is superior if ones culture is indeed superior. I for one think that America's culture is superior to much of the rest of the world. I also think the Japanese have the right to do the same. I mean there are specific things I can point to that I think they are superior in. Their economic model for one and their ability to resist the political correctness that infects much of Europe.
JohananRaatz 2 years ago
To the point of thinking you can impose it on others? Because that's what will eventually happen if you keep thinking it's "normal" to regard your culture as superior to others.
Man, Japanese right wingers think they are superior even to Americans and Europeans. In this day and age, how can that kind of mentality be good for your international relations, and consecuently your economic growth?
makokun9 2 years ago
"To the point of thinking you can impose it on others? Because that's what will eventually happen."
Yes and I understand this is a touchy subject, but in some cases it is good to spread ones culture elsewhere if nothing else but for the benefit of the people of that other place.
JohananRaatz 2 years ago
Yes, it's a touchy subject, indeed. I can't say I agree with you, so let's leave it like that.
makokun9 2 years ago
Fair enough. :)
JohananRaatz 2 years ago
There is absolutely nothing wrong with having pride in your nation. As a matter of fact, that's what's wrong with Europe, especially Germany. Being proud of your people is discouraged there; what a sick world we live in.
They should permanently fire those communist teachers.
Kanz1er 3 years ago
communist? is that all you can come up with? right winger piece of shit, learn about japanese history and their sick sense of ultranationalism first, and then comment.
makokun9 3 years ago
That "sick sense of ultranationalism" is what makes them such a powerful nation, both militarily in the 20th century and then economically later on. If certain European countries, namely Britain, France, and Germany, were to regain their pride, they would be much more powerful than they are currently. Modern day liberal genocide, disguised as multiculturalism, is destroying Europe as I type.
Of course I'm sure that doesn't hurt you any. You're probably just another American lib posing as a Jap.
Kanz1er 2 years ago
I'm not posing as anything, moron. I currently live in Japan; I know how to speak Japanaese fluently and my major is modern Japanese Literature.
I know better than you that nationalism such as the one you describe ruined this country! And what would Japan, Britain, Germany do with such "power"? Try out another colonialist adventure? To you the idea od power comes from being on top of others, when in reality true power comes from respect. Go back to the Middle Ages.
makokun9 2 years ago
You know when I read up on Japanese Marxist literature.I found stuff that sounded AWFULLY FAMILIAR.Such as"Japan is an evil fascist capitalist empire that exploits all of Asia's wealth."Just replace"Japan"with "America"and"Asia"with "the world" and you have an exact match for the tired old tripe that Marxists dribble on American campuses today.
Now for colonialism,imperialism etc you may want to research Oxford Prof Niall Ferguson, cause your views on it seem to be outdated in the 21st century.
JohananRaatz 2 years ago
"communist?is that all you can come up with? right winger piece of shit, learn about japanese history and their sick sense of ultranationalism first,and then comment."
There's nothing wrong with Japanese nationalism.And I don't know if he is a"right-wing piece of shit"but I'm a right-wing moderate and I think that nationalism is a healthy thing for any nation to have. The Greek political philosophers noted as much in their study of history.A strong sense of patriotism was healthy for any polis.
JohananRaatz 2 years ago
"Japanese nationalism is linked to religion (Shinto more especifically),"
Hey there's nothing wrong with mixing religion into your nationalism. We do it in America. Religion is another element of a healthy society.
And yes sure patriotism can be abused, but it is primarily a good thing, and letting Marxist teachers brainwash the kids into hating ones own country is far worse. Kudos to Japan for having the balls to make the Marxists shove it.
JohananRaatz 2 years ago
Yes, there is a very big problem with that.
Religion deals with the metaphysical. We can't touch it, or see it, but we have faith in its existence. We segregate, abuse and even kill in its name. That may not be everyone's case, but militarists and extreme right wingers know it works like a charm in order to control the masses. "In the name of God"... doesn't that escapegoat sound familiar? Of course, in Japan that would be: "Tennou heika banzaaaai!!"...
makokun9 2 years ago
"know it works like a charm in order to control the masses."
Ok extreme right wingers and militarists aside, both patriotism and religion have been historically good for civilizations throughout history. Now in recent times we've seen the rise of radicals and extremist leftists. As a sort of natural corrective measure you get the militarists and extreme right wingers, but you sometimes need to let them do what they do to prevent the masses from going to the opposite extreme.
JohananRaatz 2 years ago
don't see the big deal about this, all I know is that Japan had a pretty good deal after WWII, they didn't get the shame that is ingrained into Germans.
meowmeowkitty3 3 years ago
japan has the right to give a patriot speech they are a divine of gods says the japanese prime mininster
reddevilneck 3 years ago
Hahaha so what happens if they don't learn their National Anthem? They get held back?
UltraScrub 3 years ago
I can just say: long live Japan! May they once gain again their old pride, their strong Empire and their great pride in their country.
SamHawkens 3 years ago 2
the Japanese flag looks like a used tampon-bunch of pussies