If Kwan is so proud of her silver medal...why so teary eyed and pouty on the podium...sniveling....and then covers it up....once again...same thing as Surya's act...just more pr savy....she is the ONLY one on that podium who clearly isn't happy...what's up with that? I mean...really? Seriously? Michelle didn't you just WIN the silver medal at the Olympics...where oh where is that goofy grin??? What..oh, you didn't get the GOLD on a SILVER platter...awwwwwww....poor babikins! THANKS JUDGES!!!
Letter by Asami Itoh on sportsmanship of US figure skaters Tara Lipinski and Nicole Bobek; expresses disappointment at Michelle Kwan's failure to acknowledge and congratulate Lipinski during post-competition interview with CBS's Jim Nantz March 1, 1998
It's in the NY Times...so much for being a 'gracious' loser, Kwan!
Kwan was indignant on the Jay Leno show last week, blaming others (such as the media; now there's a new one) for planting the idea that she "lost" the gold But that wasn't an impostor looking like the full weight of 17 years was sitting on her shoulders after the medal ceremony, apologizing to her family and friends for "losing," lamenting her failure and promising to try to do better
And BTW Michelle Kwan was the SECOND choice of the athletes to present the president with a jacket. Pickaboo was their FIRST choice..how 'bout that...second again, Shelly:) but as per usual default kicks in and the greats back out. So you get the 'honor' the same way as usual...
Oh the poetic justice makes me smile, just as I did when the smile on Shelly's face became as phony as she herself. Three spots on the podium. Genuine radiant smiles from Tara and Lu Lu....a forced smile from Shelly. Her turn to know pain and fairness. Hard to handle eh, Shelly...since you expected to win simply by simply by simply staying on your feet. To be handed the OGM ...oh the joy on Tara's face...her dedication and incredible courage paid off...Lu Lu's too. Michelle you were there.
@getrealandsee Or no one wants to waste their time commenting on videos because all you do is TROLL every Michelle Kwan video. It is rather annoying. You are not Michelle! You are not Tara Lipinski! You are not Sasha Cohen! You are not Sarah Hughes! And you are not Irina Slutskaya! You say Kwan "choked" at the Olympics, but two of the skaters you supposedly "support" faltered too. So seriously, enjoy the skating and leave the past to the past. End of story.
Pathetic, indeed. And such a COWARD, too. Imagine backing out of '98 Worlds just to protect her OGM "repute," ha ha ha! She knew she couldn't duplicate her fluky win and would get creamed again as in '98 Nats. After abandoning the USFSA and burning bridges with SOI (whom she has ad blood with), she's still crying "Poor Tara" to this day for the lack of attention (the one heaped on Kwan) and just vents on Youtube using her many troll identities. Sad...
@jgardell Speaking of COWARDS...Michelle Kwan didn't even skate in 2006...she was scared. Not to petiton of course...that's easy...bump another skater with her free spin and then BACK OUT citing injury. Her groin was on the news every day but the real reason she didn't skate is because she was a coward and didn't want a third humiliation...just press and pity and accolades (which are plain unfathonable to any rational person) for BACKING OUT!!!
Tara Lipinski the UGLY, CAREER-LESS HAS-BEEN, resigned to just posting her hate and jealousy of Kwan on Youtube as allenglandlawns, getrealandsee, ithinkformyself, kwansansog, etc. PATHETIC...
allenglandlawns, getrealandsea, ithinkformyself, kwansangsog, a.k.a. Tara Lipinski, it's so sad that you're relegated to just talking to yourself because your 15 seconds of fame, your ugly face, your big mouth, and your absence of acting and any other talent has left you CAREERLESS, desperately trying to catch the limelight by getting drunk in clubs in your slutty dresses with the likes of Lindsey Lohan. Pathetic...
Kwybaby Kwan figured her safe, risk-free routine was enough for the gold bc all she had to do was show up since she was the KWAN. Daddy says this, daddy says that, stay on your feet Shelly! She did and skated her best but Tara still slammed the door shut on Kwan the Kareful and brought the Gold home to the USA!
@anubethc45 Oh my oh my....goodness such harsh words:)-) You might consider taking a walk or perhaps a mild chill pill to help you relax. Sounds like you're a bit upset and that's not good for you..
What was Kwan supposed to do? Either way, she would've looked like a sore loser...but she overcame that and handled herself with grace. It just wasn't meant to be for Kwan. I guarantee you if she had skated after Lipinski, she would've won gold. But it is what it is. Ask anyone and from experts to fans, the general consensus will be that Kwan is the better skater. IMO, she WON the silver, she didn't LOSE the gold. She's a champion all the way. Kwan is the BEST US skater. No one comes close
@sunsurfercali Well, she for sure hung around forever:) There is a sappy tribute to her...something about being a constant...just a poetic way of saying she hung around forever trying to win the real prize..the one she had to actually compete for. And didn't. She still thought her 'artistry' would save her..no, this is the Olympics...not the powder puff competitions where you (Kwan) are propped up and gifted with inflated scores. She LOST the Gold. Twice. Hence, Torino.
@getrealandsee Well, it could be much worse than hanging around trying to win Olympic Gold...imagine being Sasha Cohen watching Kimmie Meissner win her world title, after watching Michelle win her five! I won't even mention Michelle's 9 national titles in this post lol
@getrealandsee Olympic gold or not, Michelle is a legend neither Tara, nor Sarah Hughes will ever be. And she is a legend BECAUSE she "hung around forever". I have so much respect for skaters like her. To continue winning medals for many years is actually more difficult and more impressive than winning one competition (that's what the Olympics are, after all). Same goes for Slutskaya. Same even goes nowadays for skaters like Joubert.
@Haley452 She hung on forever and ever to WIN the Olympic Gold and FAILED. Anyone can be a legend. It is not necessarily a good thing or a compliment. Respect for her...well, to each his own. I respect Tara and Sarah, .they EARNED their scores...Tara and Sarah skated like Olympians and have the Gold to prove it. Kwan destroyed Emily's Olympic experience to pursue her own dream (and FAILED AGAIN) and then used the Olympics as a pity party and to generate publicity for poor wittle Michelle. UGLY!
@Haley452 Legend, smezend....there are a bazillion legends out there and it is NOT necessarily a compliment...of course the two time Olympic LOSER Michelle Kwan is a legend...she hung around for like centuries...the LEGENDARY OLYMPIC LOSER.....which is LOL!!!!
@sunsurfercali Kwan was HAPPY with skating first...until of course she wasn't handed the Gold. Kwan's no champion..she is just propped up, held up, given breaks, and ridiculously inflated scores. Besides the judges gifted her with 5.9s even HERE. Hey, there's only so much they can do Kwan came in expecting to be given Gold. Ooops...forgot....this is the Olympics...wiggles, jiggles, and facial 'expressions' aren't enough and the judges do expect SOME respect for the Olympic standards.
@getrealandsee I would have given Michelle 5'9s for her short and long programs from 1998. They were so well choregraphed. The judges left plenty of room in the technical merit mark incase a skater (like Tara) came out with an amazing performance. And that's what she did. Since the presentation mark is only the tiebreaker, the techincal merit is still waited heavilly. Tara's win was well deserved. I loved Michelle's and Chen's programs too.. :)
@sunsurfercali I don't agree. If the judges really thought Kwan should have won, it wouldn't matter if she skated first or last, they would have only needed to give Lipinski lower scores in order to rank her below Kwan. The marks are only to position a skater in relation to the others. In this case they thought Lipinski was better than Kwan. Even Kwan has won championships skating first so I don't find that as an excuse to cheat her from a medal.
@hikaruceres AGREED! Kwan wins almost all the time no matter what. And when she finally doesn't win, the desperate defenders find the littlest things to justify themselves that Kwan flat out got beat through and through.
@hikaruceres Exactly! Getrealandsee, if the judges truly just gave Kwan titles, then she should have easily won here. Whether she skated first or last would not have made a difference. This proves that Kwan was not treated any differently than any other skater. I love how you (and the rest of the "bunch" had flagged this person's comments). Proves that sunsurfercali made a valid statement, and you couldn't handle it. xD
Michelle said that she thought her skate was good enough that simply by standing on her feet the whole way and letting her heart "sing" it was hers. Nope, sorry Ms. Kwan, you have to EARN it the same way every other athlete does!
@allenglandlawns The landings on her jumps weren't as perfect as well. I still think that this was a very good performance. It was better than all of the previous OGM winners. She landed seven triples with a beautiful program. Frank latter stated that Michelle's father told her that all that she had to do is stay on her feet and she would win. He also took 17 year old Michelle away from Frank for her practices. I think that you need to get your facts straight before you post.
@allenglandlawns This is what I'm talking about when I call some of your and Getrealandsee posts slanderous. That person even stated that Michelle kept competing because she only wanted more money. I think that these vindictive and catty accusations are really lame.
@allenglandlawns When did Michelle state that she thought that her skate was good enough that simply by standing on her feet the whole way and letting her heart "sing" it was hers? She stated in the press conference (before she told Tara that she liked her) that she did everything that she could do. She latter admitted that her performance was "stale". I somewhat agree with her. She didn't have the speed and passion of her National skate. I still think that she would have won if she did...
Barbara Ann Scott became the first North American to win the European and World Figure Skating Championships in 1947. Returning home as a national heroine, she was awarded an automobile by her hometown Ottawa, but had to turn down the gift in order to remain eligible to compete at the 1948 Games, where she would become the first Canadian to win the Olympic figure skating gold.
All kwan saw were dollar signs. You can bet if she didn't make the bucks she wouldn't have hung on and on and on
I dont think Tara deserved the gold medal. Michelle skated first and got lower tech marks, but her artistry was so far superior to Tara's. Technically Tara had an edge technically, but I still had michelle 5.8 5.9 and Tara 5.9 5.7 , first place for Kwan.
@metsdudenj That's a crock of crap! The loser herself said that the skating order didn't matter and add to that how many times kwannie was gifted with 6s no matter the skating order. ADD TO THAT the fact that Tara Lipinski blew kwannie out of the water after kwannie was gifted as much as possible by the judges. Tara Kristen Lipinski is the 1998 Olympic Gold Medalist for the U.S.A. and kwan's program was safe, simple, silver.
I don't understand how people think that Tara's presentation is better. You can see the joy on Michelle's face even though she doesn't squeal like Tara. The whole "tentative" comment was made by a commentator off the cuff but there's no score for "tentative". And hello - Michelle spins in two freaking directions! Do you know how hard that is? Evan in 2010 is proof that you can win the Olympics with your spins instead of one hard jump.
@danasuperstar Can't be that hard for Kwan...she speaks out of her mouth in different directions and goes any way the wind blows when it provides more lapping material for her. And btw...SHE LOST!
It's good to see someone actually happy to win a bronze medal like Lu Chen, usually the athlete is disappointed. Any Olympic medal is rare and to have two of them after overcoming so much hardship is great. I do think Michelle was robbed in 1998 though! She had the whole package instead of one flashy 3/3 jump.
Hmmm.,where is that fist pumping grinning girl who stepped on the ice, skated, sobbed, thought she had GOLD. Oh, wait. That's right. On the SECOND step of the podium. Grin gone, no fist pumping, phony forced smile, but wait, didn't she say she WON the SILVER. Why, then, did she cover it with her hands and bow her head?
Michelle skated first at 2001 Worlds and was given marks as low as 5.7 for a 7 triple program with a 3-3. The judges left room for the Russian skaters. Fortunately, as Peggy Fleming predicted, the Russians "messed up a little." Ironically, at 1996 Worlds, Michelle skated after her chief competitor Lu Chen. Chen received 6.0s for presentation and high marks for tech. Michelle had to beat that to win her first world title. And she did.
No figure skater beats any other skater they beat themselves by not performing their best at the most critical time in the judges opinions.That is what happened at this Olympics and everyother one that is honest.Tara's higher Technical Difficulty IE 2 triple/triple jumps to none.And a clean artistic skate was enough to overcome Michelle's lead and win Gold.Of course Michelle could have minimized it if she'd had at least one triple /triple.And when you rely on Artistic merit you need a perfect 6.
@raksan4083 That is true! The judges did everything within their power to give Michelle Kwan that Gold medal and even with that Michelle lost. Tara overcame the favortism and phenomenal odds and w/o help won. That is what makes this the most memorable magnificent moment in Olympic figure skating history. The commentators are right...an unforgettable night:) What is great about youtube is that the videos are out there and years and years later opinions can be expressed. See mudhead has weighed in
I watched a t.v. show yesterday..a documentary which typically means it is factual. I have a question. This show featured a young Asian American girl who had been caught shoplifting and she commented that as an Asian she and her siblings were expected to do great things so their parents could brag about them later. In one interview after this Olympics Michelle commented..'oh well, hope you love me anyway'. Did she shame her family by not winning Gold?
Everyone knows Michelle Kwan got robbed. EVERYONE knows that. The funny thing is that all Americans should be happy that Lipinski won, her being American and all, but at the same time, the inner conscience of every person in the world knows that Michelle Kwan should have won that gold medal.
@doesitrelematter No way...Not even...Michelle Kwan...safe, simple, silver....Tara Lipinski gutsy, graceful, and GOLDEN!!!!!!!!! No, Michelle wasn't robbed..she has so many times been given medals and titles and OTHER skaters have been robbed..but this was fair...6 judges to 3. You certainly take liberties in saying EVERYONE, no? That's really desperate and quite amusing.
@getrealandsee really desperate eh?? OH shit im desperate cuz michelle kwan lost 12 years ago so im jumping to generalizations to prove a point OH SHIT thank you for displaying how desperate i am, maybe i should seek some help eh??
But wait though, your not so creative alliteration which makes your argument sound about as dumb as an ESPN analyst has given me some hope, I have seen the light and been freed from my desperation, thank you so much
@doesitrelematter Yeppers:) Desperate...Kwan was timid and thought that she had it in the bag as long as she stayed upright. It must have shocked her terribly to find that it wasn't a given...glad you have seen the light. I certainly don't think of myself as a psychologist but I am happy to have helped. Kwan LOST twice in the only competition the world or sporting communities care about and even with her pen couldn't cut it in Torino. Whoopdeedoo..gracious.
One one-hundredth? Swimmers and track stars, lugers, among other sportspeople have lost by less than that. Grow up. A loss is a loss. Cry somewhere else.
@JNagarya I'm pretty sure many skaters are not extremely close to each other for a reason: They are competitors. Anyways, Tara left the amatuer skating world too early for us to tell if she could have become better friends with Michelle. All of the other skaters in her professional career seem to have nice things to say about her: Scott Hamilton for example. Just throwing that out there.
@JNagarya I honestly do not care what you think. How do you know anything about Tara Lipinski or Michelle Kwan? You don't know what they were thinking at this moment...you weren't on the ice with them you ass! I can be a fan of whoever I want to...and I never got the impression that Tara was a diva and rude to her competitiors! And I also love Michelle Kwan just as much! And would you stop calling her T(i)ara? That's plain stupid! Get a life!
If a white person had small eyes I'd say the same joke that you could blindfold them with dental floss... I also DO say jokes about white people and all people btw as I said before. All races all people I find funny sometimes. Sometimes how a person walks or looks or talks. It's just funny to me or odd or wierd. don't mean I hate em or am racist! But u wanna say that it is. And u just know everyone's brains and who they hate and are friens with and are not. I see.
I think Tara won on the basis of her triples. Michelle's performance was much more artistic, also her body type is more elegant on the ice. If Michelle had had more triples in her program, she would have won. After looking at both programs, I still think Michelle should have won regardless
@sdcashman45 So you're yet another bigot who engages in name-calling with no substance to back it up because you have none.
In contrast: the FACTS are as SAID: WATCH the Kwan skate and LISTEN to the commentary about scoring Kwan ARTIFICALLY LOW in order to leave room for higher scores should subsequent skaters skate better. AND that had Kwan skated LAST her scores would have been 6.0s.
That UNDERSCORING is DIRECTLY RELEVANT to ALL the scores -- including T(i)aras.
@sdcashman45 It isn't that comlicated. Michelle Kwan was scored ARTIFICALLY LOWER than she should have been, in order to leave room for higher scores should subsequent skaters skate better than she. Her score was at least one-tenth lower than it should have been. T(i)ara "won" by one-HUNDREDTH.
As for the hateful "Special Olympics" bigot's comment: hypocrite: you oppose name-calling, but not personal attacks?
All these comments are focused on Michelle and Tara...What about Chen Lu's wonderful and heartwarming comeback? That was the most memorable performance of the evening, in my opinion. Just look at her face and tears, she was truly grateful to win the bronze. How many times do we see the bronze medalist reacting like she did? She even put her hand over her heart during the national anthem, and it wasn't even her anthem. Also, after she skated, she was so grateful that she bowed to her coach.
@idolfan9495....Michelle Kwan never did a proper Layback in her entire life. Ice skating is more than dragging emotion in to a presentation. National Titles...many...World Titles...many...Olympic Titles....NONE!
@sdcashman45 You said MK never did a proper layback.... insinuating that Tara did? Are you serious? Tara's layback had the form of a preschooler. Not acceptable for OGM.
Here's my take and it's just an opinion: Michelle is the better skater but Tara had the better performance that night. The Olympics are about skill and bringing it together at the right moment to earn what you want and Tara captured that moment best under the circumstances on that given night. I wished Michelle won but this is the way of sport. Great drama though.
@BevHills SIX out of NINE judges disagreed and they gave Kwan every break possible...5.9s across the board for her 'artistry'. Tara was the best of the best for a long time and had creamed Kwan before, don't forget. And Tara is wearing Olympic Gold...it just doesn't get any better than that!
@getrealandsee The only differences between Worlds and Olympics are (1) the spellings of the words, and (2) hype. The athletes are all the same. How many Worlds did T(i)ara win again? And how many 6.0s did she get at Worlds?
@JNagarya Oh, really? Well, whatever name you choose to call her because she creamed Kwan she is our 1998 Olympic Gold Medalist. She beat Mediocre Michelle Kwan the Kwybaby. Speaking of self centered and spoiled brats...how about Kwan's asinine move to fail our country AGAIN in Torino? Lost TWICE and yet thought she was our best hope...if it weren't such dirty pool and hadn't hurt so many people it would be laughable.
@JNagarya Shut the fuck up. Tara Kirsten Lipinski is part Polish as I am too and learn how to stop insulting and being rude to my fellow Polish figure skater and do me a favor, just crawl into your private little manhole in suburban Manhattan and rot in hell for all I care. And please, GROW the hell up and learn to act like a human being.
@JNagarya Exactly, if she was born in the U.S. regardless of weather or not both her parents or grandparents are polish or yugoslavakian or whatever, as long as she was born in the U.S. on U.S. soil that makes her an american from birth.
Yep, Tara is right up there with...Oksana Bauil and Annette Poetsch, the best of the best. Michelle will be skating in Korea with Yu Na this weekend. Tara will be ...??
@idolfan9495 Well, Tara was given the honor of presenting the trophy at the 2010 Nationals...she was introduced as the Olympic Gold Medalist for 1998. Let's see...oh yeah.....Kwan wasn't given that honor and ummm...how many Olympic Gold medals does she have...oh, that's right. ZERO, ZIP, NADA. Kwawn is still hanging out with the great skaters...kinda like their watergirl. Rink Rat.
Tara never did a proper lutz in her life, under-rotated the second triple in her sequence combo, had a weak spiral and small jumps. She did show a lot of energy. But Michelle has the last laugh, because she is a figure skating legend, while Tara is just a footnote. And before all the Tara fans jump on me, let me say this: I think it's too bad that Tara blew out her hip training for this gold medal, because she was enormously talented. But she never became the skater she might have been.
@idolfan9495 Don't see the Kwanster laughing now do you? Oh, she's a legend..a rink rat...a pipeline blocker, and a real loser. Tara is the Olympic Gold Medalist and that means more than all the titles and medals that Kwan **cough cough** won, No, Tara is a hardly a footnote ..she just took care of business right out of the gate. Nats, Worlds, OG!
@idolfan9495 Don't see the Kwanster laughing now do you? Oh, she's a legend..a rink rat...a pipeline blocker, and a real loser. Tara is the Olympic Gold Medalist than all the titles and medals that Kwan **cough cough** won, No, Tara is a hardly a footnote ..she just took care of business right out of the gate. Nats, Worlds, OG!
@idolfan9495 Don't see the Kwanster laughing now do you? How about in SLC? Or, Torino...Tara is the Olympic Gold Medalist and that is any sport's highest honor and validates the winner as truly the best of the best when it counts the most. Kwan is a legend of course..sniveler, whiner, rink rat, pipeline blocker and a real loser.
@getrealandsee Yu-Na Kim is an Olympic Gold Medalist -- and she idolizes not T(i)ara but KWAN.
Now let's see you assert some unethical, intellectually dishonest smear of the Olympic Gold Medal/Yu-Na Kim because You-Na Kim has one, and idolizes Kwan, not T(i)ara.
@DavidGagaism You know, it's getting really old to hear about Tara's supposed disrespecting the also ran..runner up and how Michelle is so gracious. To me it looked like Kwan was about to bite the ice as usual and used Tara to steady herself. Kwan is NOT gracious and if you wanna talk arrogant talk Kwan. However, what happened is that the whole thing wasn't shown and Tara was not sure how to proceed.
@getrealandsee And neither was Kwan..sure about what to do. I asked this question and actually got a rational answer. Kwan is well versed in public persona but sometimes when she is caught being herself you can see the really ugly side of her...especially when she felt threatened...I mean REALLY..how dare someone outshine ME! She is a PHONY!
It is amazing and heart-breaking at the same time, when you have arguably the greatest american skater in history who just couldn't win that Olympic gold...So many championships but not the one she most wanted and deserved...I love you Michelle!!!!!!!
@ColosoulCameron No she DID NOT DESERVE OLYMPIC GOLD or even all the Gold medals she did take. That's so comforting...all those titles...all the crappy programs where she was held up..no risk, easiest jumps, and it is so nice to see her finally experience real competition and real judging and lose. Must have been quite a shock to her and a joy to watch. Thank God for youtube:)
@getrealandsee US judging in the Worlds is not a factor. That being the fact, explain how Kwan won so many Worlds medals to T(i)ara's . . . in how many Worlds did T(i)ara medal?
Kwan earned every medal she won. And she was short-changed in the 1998 Olympics by judges who scored her ARTIFICALLY LOW. That FACT is DIRECTLY RELEVANT to ALL the scores in that competition. T(i)ara didn't "win" without the help of judges scoring Kwan LOWER than Kwan deserved.
Her best wasn't good enough. The fix was in. The scores were set and still Tara Lipinski creamed her, transforming a sport . I respect HER contribution to figure skating. Michelle is now flying all over the world as some kind of ambassador..I think that it is because she is Chinese American. Michelle is a phony and Torino exposed her sappy press conference nothwithstanding!
@getrealandsee Your unethical and intellectually smears against Kwan's obvious abilities and character pay no one's way -- especially yours. Rather, they expose you for the malicious hater you are.
@getrealandsee The "fix" was in by a system which scores those who go first ARTIFICALLY LOWER than they deserve. And THAT fact is DIRECTLY RELEVANT to ALL the scores in the competition, including T(i)ara's.
Give us an explanation -- without libeling the judges -- for why Kwan won so many medals, and is the most decorated figure skater in US history, but T(i)ara did not and is not.
But you can't, because you are in all instances unethical and intellectually dishonest .
it is ironic that the winner seemed to have gotten the least praise. Lu Chen got a lot of attention because it was such a great comeback that year. Her beauty and grace in her skating ability was also well respect. Michelle, who was probably considered the best skater that year, got a lot of praise for losing so gracefully. Infact it was probably those losing comments that got her choosen to give the president that presentation. And remember, the skating age was changed because of tera.
@yorishiku2525 Right on!!!! I suspect that when you refer to skating age's being changed because of Tara you mean years. I am not sure why the age was changed other than to prevent someone so young creaming the media's "Golden girl." Michelle never extended herself and even at the Olympics she assumed she would win with the absolute minimum amount of effort. Twice.
@getrealandsee She didn't up the ante in SLC. She was also observed practicing Tara's trademark move which caused Tara to change it to a more difficult one. Hmmm..it's all out there folks if you are willing to read about the REAL Kwan. Yes, some of her wins are legit but even at that she skated against a subpar field.
@getrealandsee The rule allowing female skaters to do triples was established before Kwan was a factor. And yet she thereafter consistently did 7 triples per program while all the other female figure skaters preferred chewing their nails to making the effort.
Your constant, gratuitous attacks on Kwan are unethical and intellectually dishonest -- so cease pretending you stand on ethics while challenging the ethics of a person -- Kwan -- YOU DO NOT KNOW.
ahhh...boys and girls. Michelle was asking tara to stand on the podium. Tera didnt think it was time to. But it was. No big deal that tera didnt know. But it was respectful of kwan to not step on the podium until tera did first. There was an interview in which kwan also was respectful to tera(the winner), in which she allowed--or nugged--tera to speak first. . Tera seemed to have thought kwan should have spoken first, but kwan respected that the winner speak first. Kwan got praise for that.
OMG. How many times are people going to diss Tara. She was a 15 year old girl who wasn't sure what to do...'poor Michelle'...Tara SO didn't refuse to shake her hand..it looked like Michelle was off balance and grabbing for Tara to help her stay on her feet. Seriously, the whole ceremony wasn't available and Tara wasn't ignoring Michelle at all. GOD, are you people THAT desperate to trash the WINNER?
@getrealandsee Your're right--why would anyone be THAT desperate to trash another skater? Did you know that there is a stalker-troll who haunts every Michelle Kwan video on YouTube and trashes her? Oh wait...
For all the whiners out there who moan and groan about how Kwan was robbed because she had to skate first; Michelle herself has been quoted as stating that the order doesn't matter. Tara beat Michelle fair, square, upside down, and sideways!
@cricketsknows2 Mighty selective of you Kwan haters: when Kwan (allegedly) says something that supports your view, and malice toward her, you quote it. But when it doesn't, you sidestep it and directly smear her.
The FACT is that the judges scored Kwan ARTIFICALLY LOW -- AND that that score is DIRECTLY RELEVANT to ALL the other scores, INCLUDING T(I)ARA'S.
Admit it: you want to pretend the only skater in the competition was T(i)ara so you can IGNORE those facts.
@JNagarya Wow. Hmm. Read a few of your comments here, but not all. Basically I can see you really like Michelle Kwant. But it's quite easy to read between the lines. Here's how I can totally see it. Um, your asian and so is Michelle. Therefore you will always like her more no matter what she did or does. It's quite obvious as ANY mention by someone that says something bad against her you come running to her defense! I wonder what or if you'd react the same if she wasn't asian... Hahahaha. MMMHM
She was held up so many times at the expense of the real winners. It was an absolute HOOT to see her think that she needed to announce that she wasn't going to compete in Vancouver...DUH...as in DUH..huge news flash. Couldn't win at top form even with the best fix in place possible and DUH...not going to try again. Must not have had a working pen.
I'm not going to despute the results, since they were close and the gold medal could have gone to either Kwan or Lipinski, but does anyone notice how ungracious Lipinski is? Michelle gracefully stuck out her right hand to congratulate Lipinski in the beginning of the video, and all she does is ignore her. What an ungrateful winner! I wonder why Lipinski was never well like. Maybe it was because she was a snotty princess...
@kraxi88 I get the impression that she wasn't being ungrateful but that she was really nervous. When Michelle tried to congratulate her at the very beginning, it looks like Tara asked her a question about the ceremony. If I were only a 15 year old at the Olympics I would want to know what to do during the ceremony so I wouldn't be embarrassed! I don't think she was ever ungrateful, just look at all of her interviews after the Olympics!
@elaria6 If I were 15, and had COMPENENT adults around me, I'd have been TAUGHT the protocol. Indeed, if I were such a fan of the Olympics as a competitor, I'd make it a point to KNOW.
After-Olympics interviews? Did T(i)ara say POSITIVE things about Kwan that her fans refuse to acknowledge and QUOTE?
Oops...6 judges to 3..and the loser is a whiner...a crybaby....and was so used to being held up she thought she had the gold in the bageroo before she even stepped on the ice...Tara won and went on with her life...you are right she is not a quitter...the other skater....wouldn't go away and took so much from other skaters. She will be remembered alright..for sure Kwan will be remembered.
Nope. I'm Canadian. My admiration of Lu Chen's skating has nothing to do with her race or country.
I think Lu Chen is one of the most beautiful and graceful skaters in history. And I was very touched by her comeback during these Olympics after her struggle in the previous year. She didn't even intend to win a medal at these games.
Heh heh heh..I see that the guardians of the loser are making sure that all my comments are spam...no worries, I love this ceremony and the lead up to it..just watched the short program and a majority of the photographers left after the loser skated..shoulda stayed around to watch the winner. Tara Kristen Lipinski..the youngest Olympic CHAMPION in every sense of the word..FOREVER GOLD! And the loser...well, penning into 2006 to not win the gold that it's not about..LOL!
But seriously stop arguing cause Tara outdid Michelle on jumps do to her combination jumps and Michelle outdid Tara on performannce and presentation so in a sense they pretty much tied but someone had to win and I guess that .01 difference gave Tara the edge. Besides Michelle is not a crybaby and Tara is not a quitter it's only those people who are not fans of the other that make a deal of it anyway
A tie??? Hardly...6 out of 9 judges...a decisive convincing VICTORY! It wasn't even close and Tara lit up the stadium with her joy, spirit, and courage. She has indeed rewritten the history books and for those who say she and Sarah won't be remembered....it's such a desperate attempt to minimize their wins and glorify the wimpy cowardly arrogant loser. Thanks for the GOLD Tara and Sarah!! Go USA..you are true champions and made America proud...our national anthem played in your honor. THANKS!!
Oops...6 judges to 3..and the loser is a whiner...a crybaby....and was so used to being held up she thought she had the gold in the bageroo before she even stepped on the ice...Tara won and went on with her life...you are right she is not a quitter...the other skater....wouldn't go away and took so much from other skaters. She will be remembered alright..for sure Kwan will be remembered.
@getrealandsee The SAME judges you smear as corrupt, because you allege they "held up" Kwan, are the SAME judges you claim WEREN'T corrupt when they scored Lipinski.
One can only have it BOTH ways by being unethical, intellectually dishonest. What sort of "reverse whining" is it, punk, to have to LIE in BOTH directions in effort to defend Lipinski's "win"?
michelle didn't get bumped off. the us olympic committee felt that nancy deserved the sport more, and they were right. she had to miss the nationals because of an attack which was totally unfair to her. besides, michelle was only 13 and had many years to come
If anything, Tonya Harding should've been "bump[ed off" for her particiipation in the attack on Nancy Kerrigan. But it's safe to assume that if Kerrigan hadn't been attacked, then she and Harding would've ended up in first and second place, respectively. That's why Harding's husband wanted to off Kerrigan, 'cause she was too much competition. She'd already won the bronze medal at the 1992 olympics just two years before so he didn't wanna take any chances.
@96horseluvr You mean they didn't follow the rules of placing those who won on the Olympic team because Kerrigan -- who DIDN'T COMPETE whereas Kwan did, and won silver -- deserved Kwan's spot because she'd been assaulted?
Certainly you can come up with better rationalization tha
2:13 the look of a champion, she said she'd win the Olympic gold and so she did =') that's determination
najurinajuri 3 weeks ago
too right, what a loser michelle is
johny258 2 months ago
If Kwan is so proud of her silver medal...why so teary eyed and pouty on the podium...sniveling....and then covers it up....once again...same thing as Surya's act...just more pr savy....she is the ONLY one on that podium who clearly isn't happy...what's up with that? I mean...really? Seriously? Michelle didn't you just WIN the silver medal at the Olympics...where oh where is that goofy grin??? What..oh, you didn't get the GOLD on a SILVER platter...awwwwwww....poor babikins! THANKS JUDGES!!!
getrealandsee 2 months ago
I'm amused by the sheer amount of crazy in the comments section of this video.
yosoyconsuela 3 months ago
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Moment to Savor
Letter by Asami Itoh on sportsmanship of US figure skaters Tara Lipinski and Nicole Bobek; expresses disappointment at Michelle Kwan's failure to acknowledge and congratulate Lipinski during post-competition interview with CBS's Jim Nantz March 1, 1998
It's in the NY Times...so much for being a 'gracious' loser, Kwan!
getrealandsee 6 months ago
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Kwan was indignant on the Jay Leno show last week, blaming others (such as the media; now there's a new one) for planting the idea that she "lost" the gold But that wasn't an impostor looking like the full weight of 17 years was sitting on her shoulders after the medal ceremony, apologizing to her family and friends for "losing," lamenting her failure and promising to try to do better
Olympic Lesson: There's No Room For 2nd Place
Sports Talk.
March 01, 1998|By Melissa Isaacson.
getrealandsee 7 months ago in playlist Medal Ceromonies
To reinforce his point, one of Nike's 1996 Olympic ad campaigns went like this: "You Don't Win Silver, You Lose Gold."
getrealandsee 7 months ago in playlist Medal Ceromonies
And BTW Michelle Kwan was the SECOND choice of the athletes to present the president with a jacket. Pickaboo was their FIRST choice..how 'bout that...second again, Shelly:) but as per usual default kicks in and the greats back out. So you get the 'honor' the same way as usual...
getrealandsee 7 months ago
Oh the poetic justice makes me smile, just as I did when the smile on Shelly's face became as phony as she herself. Three spots on the podium. Genuine radiant smiles from Tara and Lu Lu....a forced smile from Shelly. Her turn to know pain and fairness. Hard to handle eh, Shelly...since you expected to win simply by simply by simply staying on your feet. To be handed the OGM ...oh the joy on Tara's face...her dedication and incredible courage paid off...Lu Lu's too. Michelle you were there.
getrealandsee 7 months ago
Looks like the defenders have called out the reserves:)-:)
getrealandsee 7 months ago
@getrealandsee Or no one wants to waste their time commenting on videos because all you do is TROLL every Michelle Kwan video. It is rather annoying. You are not Michelle! You are not Tara Lipinski! You are not Sasha Cohen! You are not Sarah Hughes! And you are not Irina Slutskaya! You say Kwan "choked" at the Olympics, but two of the skaters you supposedly "support" faltered too. So seriously, enjoy the skating and leave the past to the past. End of story.
TeamKween2010 1 month ago
Pathetic, indeed. And such a COWARD, too. Imagine backing out of '98 Worlds just to protect her OGM "repute," ha ha ha! She knew she couldn't duplicate her fluky win and would get creamed again as in '98 Nats. After abandoning the USFSA and burning bridges with SOI (whom she has ad blood with), she's still crying "Poor Tara" to this day for the lack of attention (the one heaped on Kwan) and just vents on Youtube using her many troll identities. Sad...
jgardell 7 months ago
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@jgardell Speaking of COWARDS...Michelle Kwan didn't even skate in 2006...she was scared. Not to petiton of course...that's easy...bump another skater with her free spin and then BACK OUT citing injury. Her groin was on the news every day but the real reason she didn't skate is because she was a coward and didn't want a third humiliation...just press and pity and accolades (which are plain unfathonable to any rational person) for BACKING OUT!!!
getrealandsee 7 months ago in playlist Medal Ceromonies
Tara Lipinski the UGLY, CAREER-LESS HAS-BEEN, resigned to just posting her hate and jealousy of Kwan on Youtube as allenglandlawns, getrealandsee, ithinkformyself, kwansansog, etc. PATHETIC...
af2un 7 months ago
allenglandlawns, getrealandsea, ithinkformyself, kwansangsog, a.k.a. Tara Lipinski, it's so sad that you're relegated to just talking to yourself because your 15 seconds of fame, your ugly face, your big mouth, and your absence of acting and any other talent has left you CAREERLESS, desperately trying to catch the limelight by getting drunk in clubs in your slutty dresses with the likes of Lindsey Lohan. Pathetic...
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Kwybaby Kwan figured her safe, risk-free routine was enough for the gold bc all she had to do was show up since she was the KWAN. Daddy says this, daddy says that, stay on your feet Shelly! She did and skated her best but Tara still slammed the door shut on Kwan the Kareful and brought the Gold home to the USA!
allenglandlawns 7 months ago
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@anubethc45 Oh my oh my....goodness such harsh words:)-) You might consider taking a walk or perhaps a mild chill pill to help you relax. Sounds like you're a bit upset and that's not good for you..
getrealandsee 9 months ago
Wasn't there anyone there to tell them where to stand?
UnpredictableFrizz 9 months ago
tara looks like a chimp/monkey!
HeartedAngel27 10 months ago
What was Kwan supposed to do? Either way, she would've looked like a sore loser...but she overcame that and handled herself with grace. It just wasn't meant to be for Kwan. I guarantee you if she had skated after Lipinski, she would've won gold. But it is what it is. Ask anyone and from experts to fans, the general consensus will be that Kwan is the better skater. IMO, she WON the silver, she didn't LOSE the gold. She's a champion all the way. Kwan is the BEST US skater. No one comes close
sunsurfercali 11 months ago
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@sunsurfercali Well, she for sure hung around forever:) There is a sappy tribute to her...something about being a constant...just a poetic way of saying she hung around forever trying to win the real prize..the one she had to actually compete for. And didn't. She still thought her 'artistry' would save her..no, this is the Olympics...not the powder puff competitions where you (Kwan) are propped up and gifted with inflated scores. She LOST the Gold. Twice. Hence, Torino.
getrealandsee 10 months ago
@getrealandsee Well, it could be much worse than hanging around trying to win Olympic Gold...imagine being Sasha Cohen watching Kimmie Meissner win her world title, after watching Michelle win her five! I won't even mention Michelle's 9 national titles in this post lol
MissThingSings 10 months ago
@getrealandsee Olympic gold or not, Michelle is a legend neither Tara, nor Sarah Hughes will ever be. And she is a legend BECAUSE she "hung around forever". I have so much respect for skaters like her. To continue winning medals for many years is actually more difficult and more impressive than winning one competition (that's what the Olympics are, after all). Same goes for Slutskaya. Same even goes nowadays for skaters like Joubert.
Haley452 10 months ago
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@Haley452 She hung on forever and ever to WIN the Olympic Gold and FAILED. Anyone can be a legend. It is not necessarily a good thing or a compliment. Respect for her...well, to each his own. I respect Tara and Sarah, .they EARNED their scores...Tara and Sarah skated like Olympians and have the Gold to prove it. Kwan destroyed Emily's Olympic experience to pursue her own dream (and FAILED AGAIN) and then used the Olympics as a pity party and to generate publicity for poor wittle Michelle. UGLY!
getrealandsee 10 months ago
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@Haley452 Legend, smezend....there are a bazillion legends out there and it is NOT necessarily a compliment...of course the two time Olympic LOSER Michelle Kwan is a legend...she hung around for like centuries...the LEGENDARY OLYMPIC LOSER.....which is LOL!!!!
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ehrenaissance 9 months ago
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@sunsurfercali Kwan was HAPPY with skating first...until of course she wasn't handed the Gold. Kwan's no champion..she is just propped up, held up, given breaks, and ridiculously inflated scores. Besides the judges gifted her with 5.9s even HERE. Hey, there's only so much they can do Kwan came in expecting to be given Gold. Ooops...forgot....this is the Olympics...wiggles, jiggles, and facial 'expressions' aren't enough and the judges do expect SOME respect for the Olympic standards.
getrealandsee 10 months ago
@getrealandsee I would have given Michelle 5'9s for her short and long programs from 1998. They were so well choregraphed. The judges left plenty of room in the technical merit mark incase a skater (like Tara) came out with an amazing performance. And that's what she did. Since the presentation mark is only the tiebreaker, the techincal merit is still waited heavilly. Tara's win was well deserved. I loved Michelle's and Chen's programs too.. :)
TeamKween2010 1 month ago
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@sunsurfercali I don't agree. If the judges really thought Kwan should have won, it wouldn't matter if she skated first or last, they would have only needed to give Lipinski lower scores in order to rank her below Kwan. The marks are only to position a skater in relation to the others. In this case they thought Lipinski was better than Kwan. Even Kwan has won championships skating first so I don't find that as an excuse to cheat her from a medal.
hikaruceres 9 months ago
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@hikaruceres AGREED! Kwan wins almost all the time no matter what. And when she finally doesn't win, the desperate defenders find the littlest things to justify themselves that Kwan flat out got beat through and through.
allenglandlawns 9 months ago
@allenglandlawns We can't hear you: You're drowned out by all the standing ovations given Gold Standard Michelle Kwan.
JNagarya 9 months ago
@hikaruceres Exactly! Getrealandsee, if the judges truly just gave Kwan titles, then she should have easily won here. Whether she skated first or last would not have made a difference. This proves that Kwan was not treated any differently than any other skater. I love how you (and the rest of the "bunch" had flagged this person's comments). Proves that sunsurfercali made a valid statement, and you couldn't handle it. xD
TeamKween2010 1 month ago
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Michelle said that she thought her skate was good enough that simply by standing on her feet the whole way and letting her heart "sing" it was hers. Nope, sorry Ms. Kwan, you have to EARN it the same way every other athlete does!
allenglandlawns 11 months ago
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@allenglandlawns Right On! Amen to that!!
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Karosanyo 11 months ago
@allenglandlawns The landings on her jumps weren't as perfect as well. I still think that this was a very good performance. It was better than all of the previous OGM winners. She landed seven triples with a beautiful program. Frank latter stated that Michelle's father told her that all that she had to do is stay on her feet and she would win. He also took 17 year old Michelle away from Frank for her practices. I think that you need to get your facts straight before you post.
Karosanyo 11 months ago
@allenglandlawns This is what I'm talking about when I call some of your and Getrealandsee posts slanderous. That person even stated that Michelle kept competing because she only wanted more money. I think that these vindictive and catty accusations are really lame.
Karosanyo 11 months ago
@allenglandlawns When did Michelle state that she thought that her skate was good enough that simply by standing on her feet the whole way and letting her heart "sing" it was hers? She stated in the press conference (before she told Tara that she liked her) that she did everything that she could do. She latter admitted that her performance was "stale". I somewhat agree with her. She didn't have the speed and passion of her National skate. I still think that she would have won if she did...
Karosanyo 11 months ago
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Barbara Ann Scott became the first North American to win the European and World Figure Skating Championships in 1947. Returning home as a national heroine, she was awarded an automobile by her hometown Ottawa, but had to turn down the gift in order to remain eligible to compete at the 1948 Games, where she would become the first Canadian to win the Olympic figure skating gold.
All kwan saw were dollar signs. You can bet if she didn't make the bucks she wouldn't have hung on and on and on
getrealandsee 11 months ago
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About Michelle Kwan:
Dates: July 7, 1980 -
Known for: Olympic performances that fell short of the expected gold medals
By Jone Johnson Lewis, About.com Guide
kwansansog 1 year ago
I dont think Tara deserved the gold medal. Michelle skated first and got lower tech marks, but her artistry was so far superior to Tara's. Technically Tara had an edge technically, but I still had michelle 5.8 5.9 and Tara 5.9 5.7 , first place for Kwan.
metsdudenj 1 year ago
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@metsdudenj That's a crock of crap! The loser herself said that the skating order didn't matter and add to that how many times kwannie was gifted with 6s no matter the skating order. ADD TO THAT the fact that Tara Lipinski blew kwannie out of the water after kwannie was gifted as much as possible by the judges. Tara Kristen Lipinski is the 1998 Olympic Gold Medalist for the U.S.A. and kwan's program was safe, simple, silver.
getrealandsee 1 year ago
I don't understand how people think that Tara's presentation is better. You can see the joy on Michelle's face even though she doesn't squeal like Tara. The whole "tentative" comment was made by a commentator off the cuff but there's no score for "tentative". And hello - Michelle spins in two freaking directions! Do you know how hard that is? Evan in 2010 is proof that you can win the Olympics with your spins instead of one hard jump.
danasuperstar 1 year ago
@danasuperstar Can't be that hard for Kwan...she speaks out of her mouth in different directions and goes any way the wind blows when it provides more lapping material for her. And btw...SHE LOST!
getrealandsee 7 months ago
It's good to see someone actually happy to win a bronze medal like Lu Chen, usually the athlete is disappointed. Any Olympic medal is rare and to have two of them after overcoming so much hardship is great. I do think Michelle was robbed in 1998 though! She had the whole package instead of one flashy 3/3 jump.
danasuperstar 1 year ago
those were some of the most prettiest medals. It is a shame that Michelle was robbed. She is still the best.
37tonya 1 year ago
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Hmmm.,where is that fist pumping grinning girl who stepped on the ice, skated, sobbed, thought she had GOLD. Oh, wait. That's right. On the SECOND step of the podium. Grin gone, no fist pumping, phony forced smile, but wait, didn't she say she WON the SILVER. Why, then, did she cover it with her hands and bow her head?
kwansansog 1 year ago
Michelle skated first at 2001 Worlds and was given marks as low as 5.7 for a 7 triple program with a 3-3. The judges left room for the Russian skaters. Fortunately, as Peggy Fleming predicted, the Russians "messed up a little." Ironically, at 1996 Worlds, Michelle skated after her chief competitor Lu Chen. Chen received 6.0s for presentation and high marks for tech. Michelle had to beat that to win her first world title. And she did.
idolfan9495 1 year ago
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By Jennifer Frey
Washington Post Columnist
Saturday, February 21, 1998; Page B1
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caravaggio31 1 year ago
its ridiculous that tara got 1st !!!!!!!
mudhead24 1 year ago
@mudhead24 I totally agree with you. Kwan will always be the winner in my book.
37tonya 1 year ago
judges got it wrong. tara outjumped michelle.... michelle outskated tara with no comparison.
mudhead24 1 year ago
No figure skater beats any other skater they beat themselves by not performing their best at the most critical time in the judges opinions.That is what happened at this Olympics and everyother one that is honest.Tara's higher Technical Difficulty IE 2 triple/triple jumps to none.And a clean artistic skate was enough to overcome Michelle's lead and win Gold.Of course Michelle could have minimized it if she'd had at least one triple /triple.And when you rely on Artistic merit you need a perfect 6.
raksan4083 1 year ago
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@raksan4083 That is true! The judges did everything within their power to give Michelle Kwan that Gold medal and even with that Michelle lost. Tara overcame the favortism and phenomenal odds and w/o help won. That is what makes this the most memorable magnificent moment in Olympic figure skating history. The commentators are right...an unforgettable night:) What is great about youtube is that the videos are out there and years and years later opinions can be expressed. See mudhead has weighed in
getrealandsee 1 year ago
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@getrealandsee
"The judges did everything within their power to give Michelle Kwan that Gold medal "
Source?
caravaggio31 1 year ago
wtfuck is wrong with lipinski at .10? she's going crazy, giving herself a hard time there? geez!!!
CHEER MICHELLE! You are the BEST!!!
MinuteXify 1 year ago
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@MinuteXify 2nd best:)
kwansansog 1 year ago
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I watched a t.v. show yesterday..a documentary which typically means it is factual. I have a question. This show featured a young Asian American girl who had been caught shoplifting and she commented that as an Asian she and her siblings were expected to do great things so their parents could brag about them later. In one interview after this Olympics Michelle commented..'oh well, hope you love me anyway'. Did she shame her family by not winning Gold?
kwansansog 1 year ago
Everyone knows Michelle Kwan got robbed. EVERYONE knows that. The funny thing is that all Americans should be happy that Lipinski won, her being American and all, but at the same time, the inner conscience of every person in the world knows that Michelle Kwan should have won that gold medal.
doesitrelematter 1 year ago
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@doesitrelematter No way...Not even...Michelle Kwan...safe, simple, silver....Tara Lipinski gutsy, graceful, and GOLDEN!!!!!!!!! No, Michelle wasn't robbed..she has so many times been given medals and titles and OTHER skaters have been robbed..but this was fair...6 judges to 3. You certainly take liberties in saying EVERYONE, no? That's really desperate and quite amusing.
getrealandsee 1 year ago
@getrealandsee really desperate eh?? OH shit im desperate cuz michelle kwan lost 12 years ago so im jumping to generalizations to prove a point OH SHIT thank you for displaying how desperate i am, maybe i should seek some help eh??
But wait though, your not so creative alliteration which makes your argument sound about as dumb as an ESPN analyst has given me some hope, I have seen the light and been freed from my desperation, thank you so much
doesitrelematter 1 year ago
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kwansansog 1 year ago
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@doesitrelematter Yeppers:) Desperate...Kwan was timid and thought that she had it in the bag as long as she stayed upright. It must have shocked her terribly to find that it wasn't a given...glad you have seen the light. I certainly don't think of myself as a psychologist but I am happy to have helped. Kwan LOST twice in the only competition the world or sporting communities care about and even with her pen couldn't cut it in Torino. Whoopdeedoo..gracious.
getrealandsee 1 year ago
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@doesitrelematter You are welcome:)
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doesitrelematter 1 year ago
One one-hundredth? Swimmers and track stars, lugers, among other sportspeople have lost by less than that. Grow up. A loss is a loss. Cry somewhere else.
sdcashman45 1 year ago
@JNagarya I'm pretty sure many skaters are not extremely close to each other for a reason: They are competitors. Anyways, Tara left the amatuer skating world too early for us to tell if she could have become better friends with Michelle. All of the other skaters in her professional career seem to have nice things to say about her: Scott Hamilton for example. Just throwing that out there.
elaria6 1 year ago
@JNagarya I honestly do not care what you think. How do you know anything about Tara Lipinski or Michelle Kwan? You don't know what they were thinking at this moment...you weren't on the ice with them you ass! I can be a fan of whoever I want to...and I never got the impression that Tara was a diva and rude to her competitiors! And I also love Michelle Kwan just as much! And would you stop calling her T(i)ara? That's plain stupid! Get a life!
elaria6 1 year ago
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@elaria6 I've not only not claimed to be able to read others' minds, I've said one can't.
As for T(i)ara being rude to others: why is she unpopular with her skaing colleagues? Because her obvious mean streak is invisible to them?
JNagarya 1 year ago
@JNagarya. Typical person with nothing left but to call people names. Get a life. By the way...Tara couldn't do a proper layback, either.
sdcashman45 1 year ago
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@sdcashman45 You engage in name-calling; ERGO, you give everyone else permission to do the same. Don't like it? Then stop doing it.
JNagarya 1 year ago
If a white person had small eyes I'd say the same joke that you could blindfold them with dental floss... I also DO say jokes about white people and all people btw as I said before. All races all people I find funny sometimes. Sometimes how a person walks or looks or talks. It's just funny to me or odd or wierd. don't mean I hate em or am racist! But u wanna say that it is. And u just know everyone's brains and who they hate and are friens with and are not. I see.
justinmjb 1 year ago
I love Tara Lipinski!!!
beachbum12332158 1 year ago
I think Tara won on the basis of her triples. Michelle's performance was much more artistic, also her body type is more elegant on the ice. If Michelle had had more triples in her program, she would have won. After looking at both programs, I still think Michelle should have won regardless
victoriaindigo 1 year ago
@JNagarya. Stating facts. Prove she won an Olympic Gold (Special Olympics Gold does NOT count).
sdcashman45 1 year ago
@sdcashman45 AMEN TO THAT!
getrealandsee 1 year ago
@getrealandsee One substanceless name-caller praises another -- again without substnace.
JNagarya 1 year ago
@sdcashman45 So you're yet another bigot who engages in name-calling with no substance to back it up because you have none.
In contrast: the FACTS are as SAID: WATCH the Kwan skate and LISTEN to the commentary about scoring Kwan ARTIFICALLY LOW in order to leave room for higher scores should subsequent skaters skate better. AND that had Kwan skated LAST her scores would have been 6.0s.
That UNDERSCORING is DIRECTLY RELEVANT to ALL the scores -- including T(i)aras.
JNagarya 1 year ago
@sdcashman45 It isn't that comlicated. Michelle Kwan was scored ARTIFICALLY LOWER than she should have been, in order to leave room for higher scores should subsequent skaters skate better than she. Her score was at least one-tenth lower than it should have been. T(i)ara "won" by one-HUNDREDTH.
As for the hateful "Special Olympics" bigot's comment: hypocrite: you oppose name-calling, but not personal attacks?
JNagarya 1 year ago
All these comments are focused on Michelle and Tara...What about Chen Lu's wonderful and heartwarming comeback? That was the most memorable performance of the evening, in my opinion. Just look at her face and tears, she was truly grateful to win the bronze. How many times do we see the bronze medalist reacting like she did? She even put her hand over her heart during the national anthem, and it wasn't even her anthem. Also, after she skated, she was so grateful that she bowed to her coach.
criminaljournalism 1 year ago
@idolfan9495....Michelle Kwan never did a proper Layback in her entire life. Ice skating is more than dragging emotion in to a presentation. National Titles...many...World Titles...many...Olympic Titles....NONE!
sdcashman45 1 year ago
@sdcashman45 Olympic Silver and Olympic Bronze.
And I'm sure you're a multi-medaled Olympic Champion who doesn't dare use his reaal name.
JNagarya 1 year ago
@sdcashman45 You said MK never did a proper layback.... insinuating that Tara did? Are you serious? Tara's layback had the form of a preschooler. Not acceptable for OGM.
danasuperstar 1 year ago
Here's my take and it's just an opinion: Michelle is the better skater but Tara had the better performance that night. The Olympics are about skill and bringing it together at the right moment to earn what you want and Tara captured that moment best under the circumstances on that given night. I wished Michelle won but this is the way of sport. Great drama though.
allenglandlawns 1 year ago
IMO, I really felt that Michelle Kwan did enough to win. Still baffled everytime that I watch this. Tara did well, but was not the best skater.
BevHills 1 year ago
@BevHills SIX out of NINE judges disagreed and they gave Kwan every break possible...5.9s across the board for her 'artistry'. Tara was the best of the best for a long time and had creamed Kwan before, don't forget. And Tara is wearing Olympic Gold...it just doesn't get any better than that!
getrealandsee 1 year ago
@getrealandsee i really don't think anything compares to the creaming tara got at the 1998 nationals. how many perfect scores did michelle rack up?
cw6391 1 year ago
@cw6391 Who cares? The Olympics aren't Nats are they?
getrealandsee 1 year ago
@getrealandsee The only differences between Worlds and Olympics are (1) the spellings of the words, and (2) hype. The athletes are all the same. How many Worlds did T(i)ara win again? And how many 6.0s did she get at Worlds?
JNagarya 1 year ago
@JNagarya LOL..that is just plain ludicrous.
getrealandsee 1 year ago
@cw6391 And where did Lipinski place at the Nationals of Kwan's incredible "Tosca"?
JNagarya 1 year ago
@getrealandsee Tara Lipinski's REAL name is:
Princess Tiara Self-Centered Spoiled Brat Twit.
JNagarya 1 year ago
@JNagarya Oh, really? Well, whatever name you choose to call her because she creamed Kwan she is our 1998 Olympic Gold Medalist. She beat Mediocre Michelle Kwan the Kwybaby. Speaking of self centered and spoiled brats...how about Kwan's asinine move to fail our country AGAIN in Torino? Lost TWICE and yet thought she was our best hope...if it weren't such dirty pool and hadn't hurt so many people it would be laughable.
getrealandsee 1 year ago
@JNagarya Shut the fuck up. Tara Kirsten Lipinski is part Polish as I am too and learn how to stop insulting and being rude to my fellow Polish figure skater and do me a favor, just crawl into your private little manhole in suburban Manhattan and rot in hell for all I care. And please, GROW the hell up and learn to act like a human being.
waddleduckie1 1 year ago
@waddleduckie1 Whether T(i)ara is Polish would be irrelevant iif she were in fact Polish. If she wasn't born in Poland, idjit, she isn't Polish.
Now I'll ask you, ethnocentric bigot: if you prefer Poland to the US, then move to Poland.
JNagarya 1 year ago
@JNagarya Exactly, if she was born in the U.S. regardless of weather or not both her parents or grandparents are polish or yugoslavakian or whatever, as long as she was born in the U.S. on U.S. soil that makes her an american from birth.
LiveLaughLove8489 1 year ago
@getrealandsee How many times did T(i)ara win Worlds?
How many 6.0s did she win at Worlds?
How many times did she win Nationals?
How many career 6.0s did she win?
For nine years Kwan never came in less than bronze. Where was Lipinski all those years?
JNagarya 1 year ago
Yep, Tara is right up there with...Oksana Bauil and Annette Poetsch, the best of the best. Michelle will be skating in Korea with Yu Na this weekend. Tara will be ...??
idolfan9495 1 year ago
@idolfan9495 Well, Tara was given the honor of presenting the trophy at the 2010 Nationals...she was introduced as the Olympic Gold Medalist for 1998. Let's see...oh yeah.....Kwan wasn't given that honor and ummm...how many Olympic Gold medals does she have...oh, that's right. ZERO, ZIP, NADA. Kwawn is still hanging out with the great skaters...kinda like their watergirl. Rink Rat.
getrealandsee 1 year ago
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Kevindl1985 1 year ago
@getrealandsee How many total medals does Kwan have? More than everyonew else. And "evryone else" includes the snot-nosed twit Lipinski.
JNagarya 1 year ago
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getrealandsee 1 year ago
@getrealandsee Yet again with the personal attacks, Mr. Integrity.
JNagarya 1 year ago
Tara never did a proper lutz in her life, under-rotated the second triple in her sequence combo, had a weak spiral and small jumps. She did show a lot of energy. But Michelle has the last laugh, because she is a figure skating legend, while Tara is just a footnote. And before all the Tara fans jump on me, let me say this: I think it's too bad that Tara blew out her hip training for this gold medal, because she was enormously talented. But she never became the skater she might have been.
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getrealandsee 1 year ago
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@idolfan9495 Don't see the Kwanster laughing now do you? Oh, she's a legend..a rink rat...a pipeline blocker, and a real loser. Tara is the Olympic Gold Medalist and that means more than all the titles and medals that Kwan **cough cough** won, No, Tara is a hardly a footnote ..she just took care of business right out of the gate. Nats, Worlds, OG!
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@idolfan9495 Don't see the Kwanster laughing now do you? Oh, she's a legend..a rink rat...a pipeline blocker, and a real loser. Tara is the Olympic Gold Medalist than all the titles and medals that Kwan **cough cough** won, No, Tara is a hardly a footnote ..she just took care of business right out of the gate. Nats, Worlds, OG!
getrealandsee 1 year ago
@idolfan9495 Don't see the Kwanster laughing now do you? How about in SLC? Or, Torino...Tara is the Olympic Gold Medalist and that is any sport's highest honor and validates the winner as truly the best of the best when it counts the most. Kwan is a legend of course..sniveler, whiner, rink rat, pipeline blocker and a real loser.
getrealandsee 1 year ago
@getrealandsee Your rude and your comments about Michelle Kwan are not appreciated. Michelle was a great skater.
BevHills 1 year ago
@BevHills Huh uh..nope nope nope!!! Tara brought the USA pride and honor. Olympic Gold. Kwan just hung on and on...
getrealandsee 1 year ago
@getrealandsee Yu-Na Kim is an Olympic Gold Medalist -- and she idolizes not T(i)ara but KWAN.
Now let's see you assert some unethical, intellectually dishonest smear of the Olympic Gold Medal/Yu-Na Kim because You-Na Kim has one, and idolizes Kwan, not T(i)ara.
JNagarya 1 year ago
0:11 what the fuck that lipinski's reaction? what an arogant fuckin bitch.
DavidGagaism 1 year ago
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@DavidGagaism You know, it's getting really old to hear about Tara's supposed disrespecting the also ran..runner up and how Michelle is so gracious. To me it looked like Kwan was about to bite the ice as usual and used Tara to steady herself. Kwan is NOT gracious and if you wanna talk arrogant talk Kwan. However, what happened is that the whole thing wasn't shown and Tara was not sure how to proceed.
getrealandsee 1 year ago
@getrealandsee And neither was Kwan..sure about what to do. I asked this question and actually got a rational answer. Kwan is well versed in public persona but sometimes when she is caught being herself you can see the really ugly side of her...especially when she felt threatened...I mean REALLY..how dare someone outshine ME! She is a PHONY!
getrealandsee 1 year ago
It is amazing and heart-breaking at the same time, when you have arguably the greatest american skater in history who just couldn't win that Olympic gold...So many championships but not the one she most wanted and deserved...I love you Michelle!!!!!!!
ColosoulCameron 1 year ago
@ColosoulCameron No she DID NOT DESERVE OLYMPIC GOLD or even all the Gold medals she did take. That's so comforting...all those titles...all the crappy programs where she was held up..no risk, easiest jumps, and it is so nice to see her finally experience real competition and real judging and lose. Must have been quite a shock to her and a joy to watch. Thank God for youtube:)
getrealandsee 1 year ago
@getrealandsee US judging in the Worlds is not a factor. That being the fact, explain how Kwan won so many Worlds medals to T(i)ara's . . . in how many Worlds did T(i)ara medal?
Kwan earned every medal she won. And she was short-changed in the 1998 Olympics by judges who scored her ARTIFICALLY LOW. That FACT is DIRECTLY RELEVANT to ALL the scores in that competition. T(i)ara didn't "win" without the help of judges scoring Kwan LOWER than Kwan deserved.
JNagarya 1 year ago
Her best wasn't good enough. The fix was in. The scores were set and still Tara Lipinski creamed her, transforming a sport . I respect HER contribution to figure skating. Michelle is now flying all over the world as some kind of ambassador..I think that it is because she is Chinese American. Michelle is a phony and Torino exposed her sappy press conference nothwithstanding!
getrealandsee 1 year ago
@getrealandsee And we are paying her way even now! Sickening, just sickening.
getrealandsee 1 year ago
@getrealandsee Your unethical and intellectually smears against Kwan's obvious abilities and character pay no one's way -- especially yours. Rather, they expose you for the malicious hater you are.
JNagarya 1 year ago
@getrealandsee The "fix" was in by a system which scores those who go first ARTIFICALLY LOWER than they deserve. And THAT fact is DIRECTLY RELEVANT to ALL the scores in the competition, including T(i)ara's.
Give us an explanation -- without libeling the judges -- for why Kwan won so many medals, and is the most decorated figure skater in US history, but T(i)ara did not and is not.
But you can't, because you are in all instances unethical and intellectually dishonest .
JNagarya 1 year ago
@JNagarya well, check out all the times that Kwannikins went first and still racked up 6s.
getrealandsee 1 year ago
it is ironic that the winner seemed to have gotten the least praise. Lu Chen got a lot of attention because it was such a great comeback that year. Her beauty and grace in her skating ability was also well respect. Michelle, who was probably considered the best skater that year, got a lot of praise for losing so gracefully. Infact it was probably those losing comments that got her choosen to give the president that presentation. And remember, the skating age was changed because of tera.
yorishiku2525 1 year ago
@yorishiku2525 Right on!!!! I suspect that when you refer to skating age's being changed because of Tara you mean years. I am not sure why the age was changed other than to prevent someone so young creaming the media's "Golden girl." Michelle never extended herself and even at the Olympics she assumed she would win with the absolute minimum amount of effort. Twice.
getrealandsee 1 year ago
@getrealandsee She didn't up the ante in SLC. She was also observed practicing Tara's trademark move which caused Tara to change it to a more difficult one. Hmmm..it's all out there folks if you are willing to read about the REAL Kwan. Yes, some of her wins are legit but even at that she skated against a subpar field.
getrealandsee 1 year ago
@getrealandsee The rule allowing female skaters to do triples was established before Kwan was a factor. And yet she thereafter consistently did 7 triples per program while all the other female figure skaters preferred chewing their nails to making the effort.
Your constant, gratuitous attacks on Kwan are unethical and intellectually dishonest -- so cease pretending you stand on ethics while challenging the ethics of a person -- Kwan -- YOU DO NOT KNOW.
JNagarya 1 year ago
@yorishiku2525 The skating age was changed during the early-mid 1990s, while Kwan was winning competitions, and before T(i)ara was out of diapers.
JNagarya 1 year ago
ahhh...boys and girls. Michelle was asking tara to stand on the podium. Tera didnt think it was time to. But it was. No big deal that tera didnt know. But it was respectful of kwan to not step on the podium until tera did first. There was an interview in which kwan also was respectful to tera(the winner), in which she allowed--or nugged--tera to speak first. . Tera seemed to have thought kwan should have spoken first, but kwan respected that the winner speak first. Kwan got praise for that.
yorishiku2525 1 year ago
OMG. How many times are people going to diss Tara. She was a 15 year old girl who wasn't sure what to do...'poor Michelle'...Tara SO didn't refuse to shake her hand..it looked like Michelle was off balance and grabbing for Tara to help her stay on her feet. Seriously, the whole ceremony wasn't available and Tara wasn't ignoring Michelle at all. GOD, are you people THAT desperate to trash the WINNER?
getrealandsee 1 year ago
@getrealandsee Your're right--why would anyone be THAT desperate to trash another skater? Did you know that there is a stalker-troll who haunts every Michelle Kwan video on YouTube and trashes her? Oh wait...
idolfan9495 1 year ago
What the fuck was w/ Lup? She didn't want to shake her hand? BITCH!
ronnykmarshall 1 year ago
0.10 That's so horrible!!! Poor Michelle.
lilmisstoepix17 1 year ago
It's Shelly's turn to cry:)
cricketsknows2 1 year ago
For all the whiners out there who moan and groan about how Kwan was robbed because she had to skate first; Michelle herself has been quoted as stating that the order doesn't matter. Tara beat Michelle fair, square, upside down, and sideways!
Period!
cricketsknows2 1 year ago
@cricketsknows2 Mighty selective of you Kwan haters: when Kwan (allegedly) says something that supports your view, and malice toward her, you quote it. But when it doesn't, you sidestep it and directly smear her.
The FACT is that the judges scored Kwan ARTIFICALLY LOW -- AND that that score is DIRECTLY RELEVANT to ALL the other scores, INCLUDING T(I)ARA'S.
Admit it: you want to pretend the only skater in the competition was T(i)ara so you can IGNORE those facts.
JNagarya 1 year ago
@JNagarya Wow. Hmm. Read a few of your comments here, but not all. Basically I can see you really like Michelle Kwant. But it's quite easy to read between the lines. Here's how I can totally see it. Um, your asian and so is Michelle. Therefore you will always like her more no matter what she did or does. It's quite obvious as ANY mention by someone that says something bad against her you come running to her defense! I wonder what or if you'd react the same if she wasn't asian... Hahahaha. MMMHM
justinmjb 1 year ago
Thank you Tara:)
cricketsknows2 1 year ago
She was held up so many times at the expense of the real winners. It was an absolute HOOT to see her think that she needed to announce that she wasn't going to compete in Vancouver...DUH...as in DUH..huge news flash. Couldn't win at top form even with the best fix in place possible and DUH...not going to try again. Must not have had a working pen.
getrealandsee 1 year ago
@getrealandsee So tell us, hater: WHO brigbed the NON-US judges so that the "fix was in" in favor of Kwan?
Meanwhile, back at reality: How many times did Kwan BEAT T(i)ara, despite your unethical trashings of Kwan in effort to make T(i)ara look good?
And: HATE is IMMORAL, Mr. Ethics. And the FIRST person injured by yours is YOU.
JNagarya 1 year ago
Goo TARA!!!
TropicalTulipz 1 year ago
TARA TARA TARA!!!!
Shove it, Danny "Sore Loser" Kwan!
haroof 1 year ago
I'm not going to despute the results, since they were close and the gold medal could have gone to either Kwan or Lipinski, but does anyone notice how ungracious Lipinski is? Michelle gracefully stuck out her right hand to congratulate Lipinski in the beginning of the video, and all she does is ignore her. What an ungrateful winner! I wonder why Lipinski was never well like. Maybe it was because she was a snotty princess...
kraxi88 1 year ago 6
perhaps kwan was holding her hand out to say should we take the podium now? cause it kind of looked like tara said no not yet.
geester37 1 year ago
Totally! Look at how she just stares her down.
jlow121 1 year ago
@kraxi88 I get the impression that she wasn't being ungrateful but that she was really nervous. When Michelle tried to congratulate her at the very beginning, it looks like Tara asked her a question about the ceremony. If I were only a 15 year old at the Olympics I would want to know what to do during the ceremony so I wouldn't be embarrassed! I don't think she was ever ungrateful, just look at all of her interviews after the Olympics!
elaria6 1 year ago
@elaria6 If I were 15, and had COMPENENT adults around me, I'd have been TAUGHT the protocol. Indeed, if I were such a fan of the Olympics as a competitor, I'd make it a point to KNOW.
After-Olympics interviews? Did T(i)ara say POSITIVE things about Kwan that her fans refuse to acknowledge and QUOTE?
JNagarya 1 year ago
@kraxi88 That's what I was thinking!!!! So rude.
lilmisstoepix17 1 year ago
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Oops...6 judges to 3..and the loser is a whiner...a crybaby....and was so used to being held up she thought she had the gold in the bageroo before she even stepped on the ice...Tara won and went on with her life...you are right she is not a quitter...the other skater....wouldn't go away and took so much from other skaters. She will be remembered alright..for sure Kwan will be remembered.
getrealandsee 1 year ago
I hardly remember Lipinski or Kwan from these Olympics. Lu Chen's appearance outshone them both, even if she wasn't technically as good as them.
spacekangaroo 1 year ago
of course, because you are chinese, right?
sooniemix 1 year ago
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"of course, because you are chinese, right?"
Nope. I'm Canadian. My admiration of Lu Chen's skating has nothing to do with her race or country.
I think Lu Chen is one of the most beautiful and graceful skaters in history. And I was very touched by her comeback during these Olympics after her struggle in the previous year. She didn't even intend to win a medal at these games.
spacekangaroo 1 year ago
spacekangaroo is from Canada.
musicaltheatergeek79 1 year ago
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Heh heh heh..I see that the guardians of the loser are making sure that all my comments are spam...no worries, I love this ceremony and the lead up to it..just watched the short program and a majority of the photographers left after the loser skated..shoulda stayed around to watch the winner. Tara Kristen Lipinski..the youngest Olympic CHAMPION in every sense of the word..FOREVER GOLD! And the loser...well, penning into 2006 to not win the gold that it's not about..LOL!
getrealandsee 1 year ago
But seriously stop arguing cause Tara outdid Michelle on jumps do to her combination jumps and Michelle outdid Tara on performannce and presentation so in a sense they pretty much tied but someone had to win and I guess that .01 difference gave Tara the edge. Besides Michelle is not a crybaby and Tara is not a quitter it's only those people who are not fans of the other that make a deal of it anyway
lillyher 1 year ago
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A tie??? Hardly...6 out of 9 judges...a decisive convincing VICTORY! It wasn't even close and Tara lit up the stadium with her joy, spirit, and courage. She has indeed rewritten the history books and for those who say she and Sarah won't be remembered....it's such a desperate attempt to minimize their wins and glorify the wimpy cowardly arrogant loser. Thanks for the GOLD Tara and Sarah!! Go USA..you are true champions and made America proud...our national anthem played in your honor. THANKS!!
getrealandsee 1 year ago
@getrealandsee T(i)ara "won" by .01. That, fool, is CLOSE.
And had Kwan NOT been scored ARTIFICALLY LOW she would have exceeded that .01.
JNagarya 1 year ago
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Oops...6 judges to 3..and the loser is a whiner...a crybaby....and was so used to being held up she thought she had the gold in the bageroo before she even stepped on the ice...Tara won and went on with her life...you are right she is not a quitter...the other skater....wouldn't go away and took so much from other skaters. She will be remembered alright..for sure Kwan will be remembered.
getrealandsee 1 year ago
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What will you be remembered for?
Youtube hater! What an honor and accomplishment!
Get a life looser! lol
RothdeMan 1 year ago
RothdeManI agree with your comment you made on getrealandsee also known as (Ithinkformyself) I was starting to see her more as getrealandandobese
waddleduckie1 1 year ago
@getrealandsee The SAME judges you smear as corrupt, because you allege they "held up" Kwan, are the SAME judges you claim WEREN'T corrupt when they scored Lipinski.
One can only have it BOTH ways by being unethical, intellectually dishonest. What sort of "reverse whining" is it, punk, to have to LIE in BOTH directions in effort to defend Lipinski's "win"?
JNagarya 1 year ago
Michelle got shoved off by Nancy Kerrigan too for the Olympic spot so she knew what being bumped off felt like
lillyher 1 year ago 6
michelle didn't get bumped off. the us olympic committee felt that nancy deserved the sport more, and they were right. she had to miss the nationals because of an attack which was totally unfair to her. besides, michelle was only 13 and had many years to come
96horseluvr 1 year ago
If anything, Tonya Harding should've been "bump[ed off" for her particiipation in the attack on Nancy Kerrigan. But it's safe to assume that if Kerrigan hadn't been attacked, then she and Harding would've ended up in first and second place, respectively. That's why Harding's husband wanted to off Kerrigan, 'cause she was too much competition. She'd already won the bronze medal at the 1992 olympics just two years before so he didn't wanna take any chances.
musicaltheatergeek79 1 year ago
@96horseluvr You mean they didn't follow the rules of placing those who won on the Olympic team because Kerrigan -- who DIDN'T COMPETE whereas Kwan did, and won silver -- deserved Kwan's spot because she'd been assaulted?
Certainly you can come up with better rationalization tha