That's "nearly all" - they weren't just "nearly fascist and semi-fascist dictatorships"; they WERE so, and had no trouble collaborating with Nazi aggression. Which is why their squealing protest against "Judeo-Musacovite-Bolshevik-Communist domination" always fell from their lips with poor taste.
Communism/socialism is about public control/ownership of the means of production. All of your criticisms apply equally to fascism or to capitalist states that are just merely repressive to keep the majority broke and in their place, but the critique isn't directed there, is it? Because in the end protecting private property is what it's all about.
The "former Communist countries" were nearly fascist and semi-fascist dictatorships before the war; far from considering racist xenophobia and religious bigotry "stupid," they've had no trouble reviving these traditions in the name of "free market democracy." Go figger.
Say what you like about totalitarianism, they had great propaganda!
I thought the former communist countries mostly had powerful communist parties still - isn't the communist party the (very distant) second in the RF still?
Its old but I wouldn't say 'communism' has to be what was the few times it was practiced - the word refers to a lot of contradictory ideas, some totalitarian some not too far from the UK - its a corrupted word now, even if you support the idea.
You can't call yourself that and in even if you were, and hope to be taken seriously because its been so associated with the USSR, Cambodia, Mao, etc. Since nationalization of key industries, egalitarian wealth distribution, abolishion of money and private property, are such diverse ideas but all theoretically fit the word, it was never a good descriptor anyway
The problem is a lot of people (maoist rebel news, eg) take 'communism' presented in the propaganda and believe it - walking strawmen!
Sure lots of electrical goods are made in these nations, but there rarely actually created there or sold there, Im pretty sure most xboxs are sold in capitalistic nations not Russia or china or Cuba. Is Microsoft, Sony, Toshiba, Phillips, etc a Chinese company???
If you're going to be condescending to nuke about communism, you don't know her. But if you don't know someone... I know that I'm in the Philippines and children are getting sold by the thousands. Now to you, that might seem like ah, it's a world away and nothing can be done. That's bullshit. I'm here and all it would take was for a few key people to care. Communism has never been that bad, I think in fact it stopped footbinding.
@HypnoticGorilla Was my argument "it's brilliant" for that reason? Or did I make that point for a purpose? Please address the thousands of children being sold in this country (I'm in the Philippines) so that makes capitalism brilliant. Please tell me what's worse than a child being sold to a tourist to sodomize? Yes children. It's worse than murder. Let's talk about that. And BREAKING children's feet is no small matter either.
Lol, Where you think the Xboxes are made? most things are now made in China.
And if not, China still has made the biggest improvements in human history.
NHS sound to me like communism ... And you use Stalism as the example for communism. I have been to Praag many times, great place, pity nobody helped them.
Communism, Capitalism...it's all shit methinks. The world is so drastically broken IMO that I have no idea how we could ever achieve a fair economic infrastructure.
So I guess I'm too disillusioned to provide rational discourse, but I nonetheless provide the thumbs up.
@reckingmachine The irony isn't so much with the origins, but rather instead with the nature of taxation itself ie the violent coercion of the unarmed populous by the state. Much like the forced collectivization of the agricultural labour of the Soviet countryside during the grain crisis of the 1920's.
forced collectivisation resulted in famine and millions of deaths.
Give me examples of taxation leading to the same consequences. Scrap that, explain how social goods (the army for example) could exist without coercive taxation. Then tell me how these are "the same game." You force a guy not to murder someone with police, is that the 'same game' because it involves coercian and threat of violence?
@unassumption "Give me examples of taxation leading to the same consequences. " Countless wars, Propping up of foreign oil dictators, Monies to war criminals who's victims fly planes into our building and bomb our streets, aggressive foreign policies, all done with tax payers money. "is that the 'same game' because it involves coercian and threat of violence?" Proactive coercion != Self Defense.
The state needs to defend itself against other states. Taxation doesn't result in those wars, it allows the to exist. Unfortunately i assume your not trolling and actually believe this bull.
@unassumption "The state needs to defend itself against other states" Because of all those WMD we found, and those Palestinians where ready to invade our shores right!
"Taxation doesn't result in those wars" Without taxation how else could they of been able to invade 2 countries illegally and give all that money away?
"it allows the to exist" Sure is double think in here. Defending a violent group of bureaucrats must be hard.
@unassumption "Unfortunately i assume your not trolling and actually believe this bull." What is there to believe? Our tax money went towards these 2 illegal wars and FMF to Israel, which--without taxation-- could not have happened, there is nothing make believe about this.
@gulbirk "You do realise that taxes can exist within any society. And that communists societies wouldnt even have taxes, right?", A lot of things can happen in societies, I am aware of this fact, what is your point?
RM I really appreciate most of what you have had to say since I've been watching, which I admit hasn't been long. However, this vid was a bit unlike what I've seen before. I mean, I am fairly sure NN has read history quite a bit. She is entitled to her own opinions, which I'm sure you can agree? I mean, I know you are a level headed and intelligent person, which is why I find the "why" of this video unclear. Unless, you just want NN to defend/debate her political position.
Anyways what you're referring to is Stalinism, which of course failed in the Soviet Union. Communism is a much more complex theory than you insinuate.
wow, i had no idea you would be so disrespectful and rude to me.
I've always been supportive towards you and here you are insulting my intelligence because I did a video talking about how I felt looking at a statue of one of my heroes.
You don't understand communism obviously, I don't think the state should control everything. Most of us don't, we want the economy democratically by workers councils and we want to abolish the notion of private property by "nationalizing" all business.
That's "nearly all" - they weren't just "nearly fascist and semi-fascist dictatorships"; they WERE so, and had no trouble collaborating with Nazi aggression. Which is why their squealing protest against "Judeo-Musacovite-Bolshevik-Communist domination" always fell from their lips with poor taste.
TheAzov 1 year ago
Communism/socialism is about public control/ownership of the means of production. All of your criticisms apply equally to fascism or to capitalist states that are just merely repressive to keep the majority broke and in their place, but the critique isn't directed there, is it? Because in the end protecting private property is what it's all about.
TheAzov 1 year ago
The "former Communist countries" were nearly fascist and semi-fascist dictatorships before the war; far from considering racist xenophobia and religious bigotry "stupid," they've had no trouble reviving these traditions in the name of "free market democracy." Go figger.
TheAzov 1 year ago
Say what you like about totalitarianism, they had great propaganda!
I thought the former communist countries mostly had powerful communist parties still - isn't the communist party the (very distant) second in the RF still?
Its old but I wouldn't say 'communism' has to be what was the few times it was practiced - the word refers to a lot of contradictory ideas, some totalitarian some not too far from the UK - its a corrupted word now, even if you support the idea.
unassumption 1 year ago
You can't call yourself that and in even if you were, and hope to be taken seriously because its been so associated with the USSR, Cambodia, Mao, etc. Since nationalization of key industries, egalitarian wealth distribution, abolishion of money and private property, are such diverse ideas but all theoretically fit the word, it was never a good descriptor anyway
The problem is a lot of people (maoist rebel news, eg) take 'communism' presented in the propaganda and believe it - walking strawmen!
unassumption 1 year ago
This guy has fallen totally for the American propaganda - _-
He got the whole idea about it wrong ' _ '
Nicolai0Nerland 1 year ago
I enjoy my slave labour sneakers knowing many little hands of communist kids where used to make it! viva la communism'!
HypnoticGorilla 1 year ago
@HypnoticGorilla Surely youre joking? Those things aren't made in countries that are communist mostly.
jedimasterbooboo 1 year ago
Sure lots of electrical goods are made in these nations, but there rarely actually created there or sold there, Im pretty sure most xboxs are sold in capitalistic nations not Russia or china or Cuba. Is Microsoft, Sony, Toshiba, Phillips, etc a Chinese company???
reckingmachine 1 year ago
If you're going to be condescending to nuke about communism, you don't know her. But if you don't know someone... I know that I'm in the Philippines and children are getting sold by the thousands. Now to you, that might seem like ah, it's a world away and nothing can be done. That's bullshit. I'm here and all it would take was for a few key people to care. Communism has never been that bad, I think in fact it stopped footbinding.
jedimasterbooboo 1 year ago
@jedimasterbooboo of course! its brilliant if it stopped foot binding!
HypnoticGorilla 1 year ago
@HypnoticGorilla Was my argument "it's brilliant" for that reason? Or did I make that point for a purpose? Please address the thousands of children being sold in this country (I'm in the Philippines) so that makes capitalism brilliant. Please tell me what's worse than a child being sold to a tourist to sodomize? Yes children. It's worse than murder. Let's talk about that. And BREAKING children's feet is no small matter either.
jedimasterbooboo 1 year ago
Lol, Where you think the Xboxes are made? most things are now made in China.
And if not, China still has made the biggest improvements in human history.
NHS sound to me like communism ... And you use Stalism as the example for communism. I have been to Praag many times, great place, pity nobody helped them.
Care4alot 1 year ago
Communism, Capitalism...it's all shit methinks. The world is so drastically broken IMO that I have no idea how we could ever achieve a fair economic infrastructure.
So I guess I'm too disillusioned to provide rational discourse, but I nonetheless provide the thumbs up.
fulekkei 1 year ago
@fulekkei Nice cop out.
totheman 1 year ago
it might be kinda idealistic but its not inherently flawed.. what would u prefer? is capitalism so much better?
oojamaflipper 1 year ago
@oojamaflipper Sure Communism is inherently flawed. Communism caters only to the collective while sacrificing the individual before the state.
totheman 1 year ago
You can't really rip on the stupidity of Communism when in one of your videos you support taxation.
Do you not see the irony?
totheman 1 year ago
Taxation existed LONG before communism even existed as a concept, so I dont see the contradiction.
reckingmachine 1 year ago
@reckingmachine The irony isn't so much with the origins, but rather instead with the nature of taxation itself ie the violent coercion of the unarmed populous by the state. Much like the forced collectivization of the agricultural labour of the Soviet countryside during the grain crisis of the 1920's.
Different name, same game.
totheman 1 year ago
@totheman
forced collectivisation resulted in famine and millions of deaths.
Give me examples of taxation leading to the same consequences. Scrap that, explain how social goods (the army for example) could exist without coercive taxation. Then tell me how these are "the same game." You force a guy not to murder someone with police, is that the 'same game' because it involves coercian and threat of violence?
unassumption 1 year ago
@unassumption "Give me examples of taxation leading to the same consequences. " Countless wars, Propping up of foreign oil dictators, Monies to war criminals who's victims fly planes into our building and bomb our streets, aggressive foreign policies, all done with tax payers money. "is that the 'same game' because it involves coercian and threat of violence?" Proactive coercion != Self Defense.
totheman 1 year ago
@totheman
The state needs to defend itself against other states. Taxation doesn't result in those wars, it allows the to exist. Unfortunately i assume your not trolling and actually believe this bull.
unassumption 1 year ago
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@unassumption "The state needs to defend itself against other states" Because of all those WMD we found, and those Palestinians where ready to invade our shores right!
"Taxation doesn't result in those wars" Without taxation how else could they of been able to invade 2 countries illegally and give all that money away?
"it allows the to exist" Sure is double think in here. Defending a violent group of bureaucrats must be hard.
totheman 1 year ago
@unassumption "Unfortunately i assume your not trolling and actually believe this bull." What is there to believe? Our tax money went towards these 2 illegal wars and FMF to Israel, which--without taxation-- could not have happened, there is nothing make believe about this.
totheman 1 year ago
@unassumption Oh, a troll post, should of seen that one coming.
totheman 1 year ago
@totheman Was that meant as a joke?
You do realise that taxes can exist within any society. And that communists societies wouldnt even have taxes, right?
gulbirk 3 months ago
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@gulbirk "You do realise that taxes can exist within any society. And that communists societies wouldnt even have taxes, right?", A lot of things can happen in societies, I am aware of this fact, what is your point?
totheman 3 months ago
hm tough jab(s) man...
RM I really appreciate most of what you have had to say since I've been watching, which I admit hasn't been long. However, this vid was a bit unlike what I've seen before. I mean, I am fairly sure NN has read history quite a bit. She is entitled to her own opinions, which I'm sure you can agree? I mean, I know you are a level headed and intelligent person, which is why I find the "why" of this video unclear. Unless, you just want NN to defend/debate her political position.
sheanight 1 year ago
@reckingmachine: It's always dark at your house. :?
XD
Anyways what you're referring to is Stalinism, which of course failed in the Soviet Union. Communism is a much more complex theory than you insinuate.
okayillgonow 1 year ago
wow, i had no idea you would be so disrespectful and rude to me.
I've always been supportive towards you and here you are insulting my intelligence because I did a video talking about how I felt looking at a statue of one of my heroes.
You don't understand communism obviously, I don't think the state should control everything. Most of us don't, we want the economy democratically by workers councils and we want to abolish the notion of private property by "nationalizing" all business.
nuclearnight 1 year ago