Zornhau - medieval stage combat with historical techniques

[TheMrMexicore]

Phenomenal, great job on this It's actually very impressive.

[ThorgalsWalhalla]

O_o best fight i ve ever seen

[VivaceOrbit]

Wonderful movement, fluid and precise. Thank you!

[ltgerbilmuffin]

YES! Wonderful! Choreographed swordplay that actually looks like a fight! I knew it was somewhere!

[bsapaka]

shabby on the footwork

[ninja1018]

you still got it! your virginity, that is... nerds

[maaderllin]

@ninja1018 Said the guy whose nickname on youtube is "Ninja1018"... Idiot. They would rip off your head by barely looking at it. But they are civilised persons, unlike you Troll

[MalaRhynn]

@maaderllin They're also very manly looking German people. You don't mess with someone who fence without a shirt on.

[cjenko87]

Nice fight and techniques. It's just far too fast! The swords would be a lot heavier so why not giving them weight when you use them, it was almost as fast as a smallsword fight. It looked too easy for you guys, make it look like effort. Plus pauses add so much more drama.

Good work though.

[Asgath]

@cjenko87

That's not too fast at all. The swords didn't weigh much.

I think the whole point of removing the typical cheesy pauses in this is to create a more realistic fight sequence.

[cjenko87]

@Asgath I defy you to watch any broadsword/greatsword sparring on here and no one fights that fast. I'm not saying you have bad technique or the choreography isn't awesome. I just don't believe it was spontaneous or you were thinking on your feet. Surely you want it to look real? No one thinks that fast, unless you're a Jedi which logic tells me no one is.

[gurkfisk89]

@cjenko87 I know that some sparring can be really fast. Like one with Axel Pettersson vs Robert Molin.

watch?v=DO_iS0W1IEE

watch 0.55 to 0.57. Axel have time to do a zornhau, wind, thrust, Zwerchau, and an other cut in just 2 seconds and he seems relaxed.

If you want to see really fast western fighting, you should see this clip

watch?v=mjT4JepA-Vc

Sure, it's not sparring, just demonstration of techniques, but it shows how quickly you can fight, if you feel it in your bones.

Have a nice day.

[SirKickz]

@cjenko87

I find big pauses to be too cheesy as well. I like a fight scene to make sense, and when two people just stare at eachother, motionless, it breaks suspension of disbelief for me, cause when I fight a dude, I'm not going to waste time, I'm going waste HIM! (heheh, see what I did there? :p)

[Manythor]

ich hab da mal 2 fragen:

1. wo trainiert ihr?

2. kann man bei euch mitmachen?

[gurkfisk89]

@Manythor

Mein Deutsch ist nicht so gut, so I will try to answer in English.

I think that Zornhau train in Offenbach, near Frankfurt.

You can read more at:

zornhau [dot] d e

[sherf22]

yay real sword fighting!!!! so tired of samurai's getting all the credit as the best. western swordsmanship is very underrated throughout america and else where.

[3027085]

all the guys with cool hobbies wear black clothes and have long hair xD

sehr schön!

go on like this!

[Tapase]

great job. mega show battle. and looking so rly. [; greating from polish knights!

[DogeKhan]

excelllent show wrong place though could have been in a castle or cathedral

[darkfiete]

the historical techniques seem to be both, great show-off and pragmatic!

[CZRedemption]

Nice work! Especially fighting through the hair!

[DalianCruzLeon]

heavys

[24azer]

no mamen no se quienes sea pero son un par de asno, est´sn por la verga

[AnhiGen]

I think this is an excellent step in showing that you don't have to throw away historical techniques in order to make a stage fight entertaining.

thanks for the vid

[balubulaba]

did a great job,well done indeed!!!

[jmtyrell]

very good!!congratulations!

[dusadusa222]

holly shit the guy on the left is a fuckin beast :D good work men

[kardentyrell]

absolutely beautiful. I love the energy in this, plus you kept to the actual techniques of the time XD

[Yakshinian]

Depends on how you want to see it. I see it as wildly smashing swords in a way to mimic the actual techniques. The real techniques were flowing and full of guile rather than flailing. As a full contact martial artist once told me, "the transitions are more important than the actual moves."

[Morhwal]

lol. i bet they used what worked and not made up fantasies from watching too many movies.

these guys are very skilled. i commend them.

[Yakshinian]

They need to work on timing.

[samhyana]

LECKER!!!

Wollte sagen - Habt Dank die Herren ein solch ergötzliches Video hier hereinzustellen!

Es sieht verdammt gut aus.

[karthadastim]

that was good. u guys look medieval too, i think its the hair

[PwnDefFtw]

yup it is, because in the middle ages the knights and the foot soldiers have longer hair, that was just the style in the greater times

[armaetemporis]

Superbe combat !

On sent qu'il y a de la technique ! Et une bonne gestuelle.

Il y a sûrement une grande expérimentation derrière tout ça.

Nous même, pratiquons l'expérimentation du combat médiévale et antique !

Alors quand je vois des bons !! Je les retiens !

Se serait donc avec plaisir que je ferais un échange de savoir avec vous

Bonne continuation !

connaissez-vous les « ASK »? Une super troupe allemande de reconstitution de Germains antique. De bons combattants !

Amae Temporis

[Spike294]

Hey that was fantastic! I loved it! Good job!

[Bonkerbomber]

@Boswachter:

No Zornhäue? But you know what a Zornhau is?

[Meshelsidek]

Strike of Wrath

[VikingWannaBe51887]

If they were to slow it down you would see what it is they were doing. But very nice work!

[mattelves1]

gay its a sword hold it like one

[MarkHolgate]

that's how you hold it. it's a SWORD not a LIGHTSABER!

[kardentyrell]

The blade is not the only offensive tool of a sword

[Martzx3193]

what do you mean? when he is holding it at the grip and the blade? correct me if im wrong but that is whats called a half-sword stance mostly used during armored combat. but it can be used in either, so no its not gay and that is how to hold a sword.

[jakome12]

those real swords??!?!

[AdversusBand]

No, they are made of sugar. ;)

[theaterdemon]

That was great. How long did you guys work on that piece?

[ZornhauEV]

some hours, ..dont know... we forgot. ;)

[Boswachter1337]

Kinda fun calling it zornhau.. since there was not even 1 zornhau in the inteir film -.- other then that nice stage fight xD wouldn't go on the battle field though.. you wouldn't get your ass kicked ;)

[ZornhauEV]

Our Company is called Zornhau, its not the "title" of this stagefight or something like this.

[simplynotfact]

funny dance

[Raze665]

Awesome..You can almost hear the sound of the swords clashing in your head..no need for sound on this one:p

[100Maggots]

wirklich schöner schaukampf xD respekt

wielange trainiert ihr zusammen, vllt kommt ihr ja auf die 8 jahre die ich mittlerweile am buckel mit meinem kumpl hab xD^^

[somedude221]

Spoken like a true 'fanboi'

[nielsdejong]

awesome :)

[Bi0mec]

Dont mess with these guys at live steel battles lol!

Good vid, shame about no sound.

[ZornhauEV]

Hallo Freunde,

Wir bitten euch, den Clip nicht überzuinterpretieren. Es handelt sich wirklich nur um einen spaßigen Schaukampf, in den wir zur kampfkünstlerischen Erbauung auch einige historische Techniken der Liechtenauer-Tradition eingebaut haben.

Ihr habt recht, es handelt sich um lange Schwerter. Und nein, für die gezeigte Nummer brauchen wir keinen Schutz, wir trainieren seit Jahren zusammen, außerdem war das nicht wirklich schnell... ;)

[TheRealArchAngel]

MMM,hmmm. It's never good to be off balance and taking such "small steps" tend to do that. Stepping into the swing increases power and stepping away with a block increases leverage. Besides blocking with a mid blade hold can also use bastard and 2 handed swords for "spearing", "pomeling", and "hammering"

[Bonkerbomber]

@xlaym:

Vielleicht kann man die Schaukampfprügel die du kennst so nicht bewegen aber ein gutes langes Schwert ist durchaus so führbar.

Ein lange schwert wiegt zwischen 1,3-1,6 kg und mit ausnutzung der fliehkräfte ist das durchaus möglich.

[JolinarX]

Ja, ein langes Schwert schon. Aber keinen Bidenhänder. Und bei dem Video werden lange Schwerter genutzt. Ich selbst fechte mit Bidenhänder und spreche aus Erfahrung, dass man damit nicht in dieser Geschwindigkeit kämpfen kann.

Mit dem langen Schwert ist es durchaus Möglich. Viel Motivation und Training sind die Grundlagen ;)

@Zornhau

Echt schön anzusehen. Aber wo ist der Schutz? :(

Natürlich könnt ihr es - man sieht es - aber es kann ja dennoch immer was schief gehen...

[xlaym]

aber ganz sicher sind des keine echten waffen. bidenhänder kann man net so führen, aber net wenn man die kraft ausnutzt.

[sufferedmind]

mr. no-shirt is very good and quicklike

[TheCinderblockKid]

You rarley see the "murder blow" being performed. Most people I've sparred with only think in terms of blade and hilt as being seperate entities

[Agilewrist]

good work :)

[Vollkontakt89]

Ziemlich geil. Schön anzuschauen. Macht weiter so. Mfg

[showertowel]

varie nice

[Schwertfechter]

Prima! Ich möchte mehr sehen! Das scheint so mächtig.

[DieDicken]

wahnsinn, dauert bestimmt ne ewigkeit um eine so präziese schwertführung zu erlernen vor allem mit einem bihänder! respect guys

[satanpoland]

:O awesome!

[Liscius]

Nice play! Good sometimes daring techniques. Keep going. Signed: Dutch swordfighter (with the Liechtenauer learnings)

[classihasi]

Hm...

schicker, schneller Schaukampf; find ich gut.

[maelywn]

bloody awesome

[Bonkerbomber]

schöner Kampf. Endlich mal ein Schaukampf mit historischen Techniken. Wir machen sowas wie Stage combat leider nie, obwohl das auch mal ganz lustig wäre. Habt ihr eigentlich auch Videos vom freien Fechten?

[Swistak7]

very good techniques,nice work

[DerSpartaner]

Es ist beeindruckend, wie präzise ihr diese mächtigen Schwerter führen könnt.

Ganz ausgezeichnet.

[calderwis]

That was friggin awesome! I wish there had been sound.

[Khaibit13]

Very fun to watch, quite believable. Great job, thanks for sharing.

[Andur]

I like the believable moves while 'locked', the punches and kicks, etc. I never see that in staged fights, and I know that I would be doing it dirty if I was ever in a real fight--my life is on the line, right?

nice job, really believable. Best longsword duel I've seen yet

[olterman]

I love the half sword moves, very nice flow and quite believable, even though we all know that in a real fight it would be over in one tenth of the time. But I have to say, if I was to fight with a longsword I'd have my hair tied back :P

[Lovethesixpounder]

Gout gout. Very nice. I like the intensity of this skirmish and the smooth execution of techniques.

[Harleq84]

One of the most flashing and impressive executions of Liechtenauer's Fechtkunst! Great work!

[dragone3000]

Complimenti per le tecniche, anche se evidentemente coreografate la loro esecuzione è ottima. La tenuta da scherma purtroppo è veramente scandalosa, questo vale per entrambi i video.

[tiamat9989]

Awesome!

That's pretty fast and realistic-looking for a staged fight. Lots of moves incorporated here as opposed to the occasional jabs in most real fights :P

[spenny24950361]

great stuff.

[Zrazys]

31: "" 32: "" 33: Ringen am Schwert (von Danzig) 34: Halbschwert ansetzen 35: Halbschwert Hebel and Ansetzen against obere Stiche, (Ringeck) 36: Halbschwert Hebel and Ansetzen against untere Stiche, (Ringeck) 37: Halbschwert and Ansetzen against obere Stiche (Ringeck) with 5. Hut! 38: Schwertnehmen (Talhoffer) 39: Durchlaufen, (Ringeck)(right arm, rright leg) 40: Durchlaufen,(Ringeck)(left Arm, left leg) 41: Salut

[Zrazys]

21. Unterhau abschneiden (Meyer), Stechen

22. Unterhau abtragen, Stechen

23.simple Halbschwert against Mittelhau (Talhoffer)

34. Halbschwert-Block against Scheitelhau

35: ""

26: Schwertnehmen (von Danzig)

27: ""

28: simple Halbschwert against Mittelhau (Talhoffer)

29: Armringen (De Liberi)

30: Armringen (von Danzig)

[Zrazys]

12. Krumphau from Schrankhut on the hands

13. Krumphau from vom Tag against weapon, duplieren

14. ""

15. Zucken

16. ""

17. ""

18. ""

19. ""

20. Mittelhau abschneiden (Meyer), Stechen

[theivesguilde]

Hey! Awesome video! Could you take a look at ours?

Thanks much!

[Traeumeer]

Na, es kommt immer auf die Schule an. Da mein Lehrer nunmal das Newman Escrima nutzt und dort alle Waffenarten vertreten sind, nehm ich halt direkt dort Unterricht.

Wobei man das eigentlich nicht vergleichen kannst, da hast du schonrecht.

Escrima ist Kampfsport und soweit ich das beurteilen kann, ist euere Schule auf den Schaukampf ausgelegt, deshalb sinds zwei grundverschiedene Sachen. *lacht*

Nun, macht weiter so!

[ZornhauEV]

Hi... Unsere Schule ist ncht auf Schaukampf ausgelegt... das war nur ein Saßvideo (steht auch dabei).

Bitte beachte das andere hochgeladene Zornhau-Video!

[lordofthefields]

Nice, but tell me in the second half of the vid the guy to the left uses armored techniques, right? Why?

[Rafastio]

5/5 :) very cool

[Traeumeer]

Na ja, die gleichen Sachen kann man auch beim Escrima erlernen, da brauch ich keine extra Kampfschule für.^^Trotzdem gut gemacht, Respekt.

[ZornhauEV]

Ein seltsames Argument. Erstens stimmt es nicht, weil man beim Escrima z.B. keine Halbschwert-Techniken lernt und es durchaus Unterschiede gibt, zweitens könnte man genausogut anders herum sagen: "Wozu brauche ich Exrima, wenn ich europäisches Fechten machen kann", was allerdings eine etwas kindische Logik darstellt.

Mit freundlichen Grüßes, TS.

[th7dude]

Very impressive work from Zornhau. A great combination of action and excitement with a smattering of realism. Great stuff.

[ilmrynorlion]

are those sharps or blunts? If blunt, steel or aluminum?

[Sugarfueledmonkey]

very cool,were are you guys?i would love to get together for a practice and discussion about the kunst you seem to love as much as you do

[invisinerd]

Very, very, very cool. You guys have got it down. Just flashy enough to be interesting while realistic enough to be believable.