HHO 354 Plate Monster Hydrogen Generator Build Part 2

[Begbucks]

LPM?

[ggreazy870]

surface area, heat, preasure,,,, which is most effective catalyst for this?

[volcom279202]

how much energy you use so you can work ???

[delvis11]

@volcom279202 200 watts per liter

[volcom279202]

which is what covers the edge of the sheet .. is a plastic? ???

[PrBoth]

hi, I'm pretty new and very interested in this thing, but i'm kinda curious the shape of the plate. Do we have to cut it into that shape or we can use the square shape? what is the shape contribute?

[delvis11]

@PrBoth Round plates flow the best but are wasteful to make because of all the waste. Most people use square plates.

[fitnesus]

Nice Video That You Share , So Very Nice Thanks You I have received hundreds of inquiries on my 118 plate generator of people asking for plans or if they could purchase one.

[lupabuatchannel]

I Really Like The Video From Your I have received hundreds of inquiries on my 118 plate generator of people asking for plans or if they could purchase one.

[cenedywong]

Your Video Is Very Useful Sharing I have received hundreds of inquiries on my 118 plate generator of people asking for plans or if they could purchase one.

[Dadagnos]

Sorry, I'm relatively new to this, but why not use regular gaskets, or regular gasket material? Like the kind of egg shaped ones used in mufflers? I'm pretty sure that stuff ought to be able to withstand extreme pressure and high temperatures... Right?

[delvis11]

@Dadagnos Yeah that's right but they need to be able to handle a caustic environment.

[MrEricuhl]

Steve, what happened so far I have not crossed over part 3, nor, the instructions on how to purchase a built unit. The 354 plate unit I'm reffering too.

[delvis11]

@MrEricuhl I took a break on this project because of some leaking issues and I'm putting is a 220v 50 amp power outlet in to my shop.

[MrEricuhl]

@delvis11

Do you have any step by step videos in the creation of the 354 plate

monster? You do an excellent job in sharing the info, please do not get so technical that us new people to the HHO scene fall along the roadside and loose interest because we can't keep up ! I have watched many videos and got swept up in the technical jargon, the individual was exremely smart. I took nothing away from the experience do to the complexity of info it was far above my head at this time. Excellent Job.

[delvis11]

@MrEricuhl I have 3 video's on this build. I also have over 100 other video's on the technology. People that have fallowed my channel from the beginning understand the jargon and I don't want to talk down to them either. I would suggest going to my earliest video's and taking a look. I progress from knowing nothing to what I know now. If you have any specific questions please ask. I try to help everyone.

[MrEricuhl]

@delvis11

Steve, I do appriciate your quick response to the posts, I am a certified welder

and inventer to items that you have probabley never seen nor ever will. What type

leaking issues were you reffering too? I have mechanical skills, hydraulic, plumming, ect. Is the leakedge due to heating and expansion issues? Have a few

possible ideas on how to stop it if open to them.

[delvis11]

@MrEricuhl when the cell heats up and then cools the gaskets leak. With the way the cells are stacked 3 wide and 2 high you end up having to take all the hoses off to take the top stack off just to tighten the bolts. It's a little hard to explain in words but I see it as a design flaw. I probably will go to 3 stacks of 2 x 59 plates each.

[MrEricuhl]

@delvis11

Steve, the bad thing about rubber gaskets is they will continue to compress until

you actually cut the gasket under the tension of the nuts. How much expansion

and contraction does the end plates do? Its probably a combination of all of the

end plates plus the rubber inserts tightening at room temperature can change quite

a bit. The end plates can expand, while the gaskets compress, you can eliminate

some of this by strenghtening the end cover plates continued

[MrEricuhl]

@MrEricuhl continued, Metal flange for end covers: make you Two 1" wide by 3/16" thick oval flange plates. Use end cover as your templete. Drill using templete, ( stack two plates together) follow your existing bolt hole pattern, then re-insert all of your bolts back through the drilled holes metal flange will apply even pressure over the end plate. The metal flange applies pressure not bolts. This will inturn give rubber gasket a more even seal, not just

pressure points from the bolts

[MrEricuhl]

@MrEricuhl Steve, is this uhmw material used? Sometimes you have to also

machine a true flat surface to make mating surfaces. Half a dozen of one or another when designing a project. I purchased a mini milling table that bolts to a small drill press just for these issues. Have purchasing info if interested.

[delvis11]

@MrEricuhl I see and understand. it makes sense to try this especially when i'm using 1/2" endcaps.

[MrEricuhl]

@delvis11

Steve, I have saved those sites mentioned earlier, what was so interesting was the

effects that temperature and chemical properties can have on your project sealing

correctly. Springs definately has the most potential, they will constantly (self adjust) the tension on the end plates, expansion and contraction can definately be a headache.

[delvis11]

@MrEricuhl What sites?

[delvis11]

@MrEricuhl With these larger cells when it heats up everything compresses like your saying then when it cools the gaskets don't expand again. So I end up having to tighten the bolts and repeat the process 3 or 4 times. I wanted to add springs to the bolts like the commercial hydrogen generators but cant find a good source that wont brake the bank. The end caps being 3/4" don't move much. I have tried both neoprene and epdm material.

[MrEricuhl]

@delvis11

Steve, apprently you can not put a website here to help in your delma on which route

to go. I have found three links to check on, UHMW,ultra high molecular weight polyethylene) will expand 10 times as much as a similar part made from ... another

link about thermal temperatures and its effects. I also found a link pertaining to spring

tension you submit qualifications and it tells you what spring to use. Now if there were a way to get you the links

[delvis11]

@MrEricuhl You can message me on my main YouTube channel page. It will let you put links in.

[awp97128]

Rush Limbaugh in the back ground!

[delvis11]

@awp97128 He keeps me company every day in the shop, a long with Shawn and Glenn

[HHOhybridBuilder]

Holy HHO !!!!! Any Part 3? I want to see the HHO production of this monster.

[delvis11]

@HHOhybridBuilder Yah there are some other parts. In the last video I got it started up but off camera I got to the max of the gas generator and now I'm running some new 240v 60A wiring to my shop. I will post some new video's after I get that installed.

[Me102288]

@delvis11 soits not for a vehicle? what you going to use that much hho for?

[delvis11]

@Me102288 a really big gas generator or maybe a train.

[Me102288]

@delvis11 LOL I got the perfect on.. sell it to BMW for a portable Hydrogen supply for they're BMW Hydrogen 7.. so's we dont gotta stay 300 kilometers from the damn Hydrogen station... LOL

they compress it into a liquid.. only take 35psi !

[EugeMyster]

I noticed some people sanded the plates to increase surface area and stop the bubbles from sticking easily. What do you think?

[delvis11]

@EugeMyster I have found that sanding does mostly nothing.  Sandblasting works well though to increase surface area, current density and efficiency.

[TheEnergyMotion]

why do all that, you may have all the free energy you need, follow the simple steps.

[theshiningeagle]

do you cell this ??

do u cell hydrogen production cells ?

[delvis11]

@theshiningeagle yes I do sell these. visit my website for more information. thx

[TheSanwiches]

@theshiningeagle Nice pun

[theshiningeagle]

omg

[Criminalcondotcom]

Just a quick question... can you run salt water in these generators? I do not know anything about HHO. I have been plumbing for 14 years and I am quite mezmorized with this. The only concern i have is that our fresh water supplies are depleting at an alarming rate. I live within 5 minutes of lake superior. This is amazing but how can we be sure that the vapour ends up in the lake or supply from which it came? Thx... great vid!

[richo61]

All very nice -

BUT it takes energy to make hydrogen - and you cannot get more energy gain from your motor than it takes to make the H in the first place.

Its IMPOSSIBLE. If it were PERFECT you would get back out 100% the energy it took to generate the H in the first place. To get more energy than you put in would be magic. You would need a system that was better than PERFECT.

[delvis11]

@richo61 I don't remember talking about getting more than 100% efficiency in this video. your comment is irrelevant

[a2zhandi]

@richo61 tell that to scientists currently working on cold fusion!

It's been done by a few. But still too far away to fully grasp.

[Mr71seventyone1]

why do we should add neutral sir

[jawbraeka]

add the theme to king of the hill whilst the cell is being built... makes the video a bit more fun but at the same time cool...

[a2zhandi]

Big design warrants a big question:

How efficient will it be? Surely you must have some

idea. Otherwise a project this size would never

be worth it.

Nice package never the less.

[delvis11]

@a2zhandi based on what I've done before this cell should get 1 lpm per 170-190 watts in the 70% efficiency range.

[a2zhandi]

@delvis11 nice numbers. I didn't get your reply in my inbox!

I'm going to use your results as a guide while I play around with a few

designs.

Thanks

[FineHawaiianArt]

@a2zhandi If you like myself have plenty of free garbage just sitting around and if you have a an old steam engine just sitting around, and a standard generator then your electricity is FREE, then with the initial investment in these parts and with some home assembly you can make a powerful welding torch or even a decent sized home foundry for making ones own tools, now energy efficiency isn't a big deal then. now is it?

[kevinisek2009]

Very awsome. This is an amazing model. Can I put your vid on my site? divinerighttechnologies.webs.c­om

[delvis11]

@kevinisek2009 sure thing the only thing I ash is that there is a link back to my website.

[cyborggold]

I noticed you werent wearing gloves to put the plates in... the oil from your hands reduces the efficiency of your plates. It might be worth it (especially with a project this size) to take it apart, clean the plates off with some isopropyl and put it back together again with some latex gloves.

[gjcnclc]

Brilliant work! been working on hho for two years very tight budget.

Where do I get pvc n plates? They seem to work well for you.

Do you need pvc sleeves for your bolts? Or will heat shrink work? Or will it contaminate the hho process? Tried to get electrolyte but can't seem to find the right channels. Please Please respond to this question.

[advancedhydrogen]

WHOA! dude that is a mega cell! I hope it does more than you expect.. good job keep up the good work pushing the limits!!!

[jeffmclowry]

So from the looks of it I would say you have about a grand in plates alone, am I close? What do you have invested in the project as seen in the video? Thanks!

Jeff

[delvis11]

@jeffmclowry yah your about right for the plates. I also have the cost of 360 gaskets, the 50ft. of threaded rod and those 3/4" end caps. The cost is why the video's are coming slow. I have all 6 of the controllers now, all the plumbing. I'm waiting on some specialty tools to weld the ports to the reservoir. When I get them I will be making another video.

[jeffmclowry]

It doesn't look like you sanded the plates. Doesn't that make much more production that smooth faced like you have there?

[wyllmRox]

sorry, I'm still kind of confused about hydroxy generators. how do neutral plates help? and why do you need 57 and only 2 active plates?

[delvis11]

@wyllmRox What your trying to do is get the plate voltage to about 2 volts per gap. That is perfect for making hho. This is what the neutrals do. It's a big series setup kind of like a car battery is set up.

[matthew1198765]

About how much does each plate cost?

[matthew1198765]

Where do you get your stainless steel for these generators?

[delvis11]

@matthew1198765 I get it cut here locally.

[wyllmRox]

@matthew1198765 dude i finally understand neutral plates now. we can build a generator if you're that dead set on it.

[hydrophoenixx]

Very nice Steve. Did you ever get a KZX1250 PWM? Thanks for sharing.

[delvis11]

@hydrophoenixx I never did. I couldn't strike a deal with him and he has supply problems. It's a good pwm but a little pricey

[cda254366]

me gustaria que me digas de donde compras todas estas celdas y juntas que estan ya hechas para tener una idea donde comprarlas buen trabajo

[delvis11]

@cda254366 I have them made here locally. You can buy them on my website if that helps you.

Yo les he hecho aquí localmente. Usted puede comprar en su página web si eso le ayuda.

steve

[delvis11]

@greenhho The spacing is 1/16 inch

I'm going to use 240ac input. Rectified and distributed through 6 controllers to the individual cells.

I will try and explain the power setup when I get there. Next I'm going to do the plumbing.

[jeracojay]

great lets see wot it produces

[4HITMAN7]

That is a monster :)

[greenhho]

nvm on the pos/neg neutrals. jumped the question to early

[hhotechnology]

wow, a beast....

[jab0805]

Nice build

[sylvanenergy]

I think Larry has the right to say that.

[delvis11]

@sylvanenergy This is going to be a slow build. I am doing it as I get funds. You can imagine there is a lot of material costs in this one.

[HHOPWR]

Very nice Steve. Now fire it up.

Larry

[delvis11]

@HHOPWR This is going to be a slow build. I am doing it as I get funds. You can imagine there is a lot of material costs in this one.