If IDF is already killing Palestines with so ease then why would his daughter kill? Stupid Logic If occupation is not a problem then what was wrong in living with Nazi Germany and struggling for ur homeland This thing israelies dont understand that this occupation is killing them
Jews hv been living for 500 Years with Us even during Hebron Massacre 19 Arab families risked their lives to save 625 Jewish Families For what so that they can slaughter us like animals.I believe the real problem is Israeli Government that want Palestinian people to be kept like animals in a cage.Look at that hypocrate Jewish women crying for her daughter what about israel cruashing Richel corrie an american peace activist under Bulldozer
The Future of Palestinian people died when Israel slaughtered Gaza Childrens with White Phosphorous Bombs and watched them suffering If They treat us like animals then this is the only solution When injustice becomes Law then Terrorisim is the only way
Recently Israel killed 322 kids of Gaza in broad day light if Israel people speak against Genocide of Palestine i would sympathesize with them orelse No Israel Creates suisde bombers Atleast they hv created one in me but the only thing restraining me is my faith because i dont believe in killing women and childrens unlike israelies that kill thousads of kids like animals and call it self defence or collateral damage
No wonder they want to take revenge Israel dont leave Palestinian childrens alive to be loved by their Parents Israel kills them and turn their parents into suiside bombers
"Israeli investigators and intelligence officers keep video tapes of the raping to blackmail the female detainees. I have been sexually abused and photographed. When I tried to travel to Jordan after my release and Israeli intelligence officer dumfounded my with the humiliating photos."
"excellent manners"....yeah, like killing innocent people? Fucking fat-ass piece of shit sand monkey. Hitler targeted the wrong people. Can you imagine how much safer and better the world would be in general if there were no muslims? Now THAT would be heaven.
i would never support religious fanatics as they always use young men and women to do their dirty works they use lies and manipulation to incite the refugees, here seventeen yrs old girl taken her youth and future, when will these people learn that violence will oppress them more, the Israelis use these attacks as tactics that Palestinian do not want peace and will destroy, build more walls, prison camp, evict more people from their homes, kill kill that the only solution that Zionist want
@hitmaan441 You know nothing about this conflict Its israeli people who hv to oppose occupation.The occupation started in 1967 whereas first suiside attack occurred in 1993 in response to butchering of 27 Muslims by Goldstein when they were offering prayer.I hv not yet seen single israeli who hv opposed inhumane treatment of palestines My channel of such videos where israeli is treating them like animals
as sad as it is... there will be no end in war... until not a single human left on earth... because IMO, words of mouth and vision of eyes travels thru generations and there will always be witnesses throughout generations... and it will pass on continuously... and no, history doesn't repeat itself... us , Humans makes the same mistakes over and over again... sad, but that's how it is now..
How right was Golda Meir when she said : “We will have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us”
I wish the Palestinian to live in Peace, Prosperity and Freedom. But as long as they think this would only be possible by killing Jews and vanishing Israel from the map, they are their own worst enemy. Am Yisrael Chai!
@777ahavajisrael IDF Rapes Palestinian womens.A Palestinian female freed from Israeli detention said more than 15 fellow Palestinian women were raped by Israeli interrogators to force them to confess to charges leveled against them and collaborate with the Israeli intelligence.
What the he'll was the point of this film? This woman is (was) obsessed and totally irrational. I can understand that her grief caused this, but to make. Movie of all this nonsense with no point and no message, is sad and upsetting.
@bestsavta1 "What the he'll was the point of this film? This woman is (was) obsessed and totally irrational. I can understand that her grief caused this, but to make. Movie of all this nonsense with no point and no message, is sad and upsetting"
Wait, you saw it was "sad and upsetting" but it didn't have a point? I'll give you one more guess what the point was.
@constructivereconcil , i"ll take a flying guess here, futility & stupidity?????? a dialogue of the deaf??? the sad & upsetting part was not the content (although violent death of young people is sad), I was saddened & upset by the waste of time and lack of focus of this ridiculous movie. Not to mention the absolute inablitiy of Abigail to express herself & her views. Giving a clear stage for the PAlestinian dogma. SAD. BAD.
@b "absolute inablitiy of Abigail to express herself & her views. Giving a clear stage for the PAlestinian dogma"
You do understand how editing works? You didn't get to see or hear directly from the people who assembled the dialog in this presentation. If you just want the dogma of the final cut, take it as it is. If you want to use what facts there are that can be assembled to discover more authentically what each statement meant, that takes longer. Think of this film as a group of clues.
and also i don't think it matters who's mother you are:of a murderer or victim (just as who's daughter you are also doesn't matter).
by the way there is hope for this woman, i think, when she says in the end "i'm confused" "i don't know what i'm saying anymore" i think she eventually will understand.
@vovagusev "by the way there is hope for this woman, i think, when she says in the end "i'm confused" "i don't know what i'm saying anymore" i think she eventually will understand"
I have the same impression, which is why this film needs to be discussed as a framework for peace. The Palestinian political leaders are Islamic imperialists. That can't change until there is a grass roots movement based on joining the Western (and every other world but Islam) values (if they expect US support).
seems like you have a paid job here. if not and you are on a "mission"- no need to worry - people who think similar to you are the majority, otherwise there would be justice in the world. Thanks for posting the videos. never mind my comment. (i agree that nobody is free in their opinion) If only Palestine will be free and it's own state some day - and goes to court - than will just see, what evidence will they bring. court belongs to democracy, right? nothing will change
wow. she did not understand anything. Israelis must be heavily brainwashed.
this poor Jewish woman has made a fool of herself (frankly, painful to watch). but i don't think she can be aware of it. feels like: there are these people who are suffering suffering suffering with no hope. they are against these bigotry and bullying.
how can there be understanding?
The well fed cannot understand the hungry.
i hope she'll go and live in west bank for awhile. and opens her eyes.
@vovagusev "wow. she did not understand anything. Israelis must be heavily brainwashed"
I find that interesting how you think you have better insight than she does? Did it ever occur to you that these "refugees" are being lied to? Did you see any evidence of these complaints they spoke about? They speak in a collective voice, and they testify to things they believe are happening, in a context of having completely delusional images of what the rest of the world really is like.
@vovagusev "wow. she did not understand anything. Israelis must be heavily brainwashed"
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I therefore suggest that you are brainwashed in to believing something with no evidence at all. You naturally believe the people who live in a closed community with no access to a free press, who don't even understand what democracy is. This is not their fault, THEY are brainwashed. Ever hear of the "Arab Spring?" Just because they stand up to demand something, doesn't mean they aren't delusional.
@vovagusev 'this poor Jewish woman has made a fool of herself (frankly, painful to watch)"
No, the mainstream media & film editors did that, yee with little imagination or sense. I find it amazing how insanely cruel & casually people insult a women who lost a daughter at the very moment of becoming a women, and you identify with the murderer's mother instead, who whines endlessly about entitlements and Allah's need to kill Jews.
@vovagusev "but i don't think she can be aware of it. feels like:"
Of course you have more insight than her. Of course! You're the genius who spent what, 2 entire hours watching, contemplating and then scribbling a few impulsive words on the web the way people blow their noses, with the same amount of consideration.
"there are these people who are suffering suffering suffering with no hope. they are against these bigotry and bullying"
1) You have to care enough to find out enough of the facts, making sure you aren't swallowing propaganda.
2) Then you have to get involved and make sure that our elected officials truly understand the difference between a global theocracy and Western liberal democracy.
It may sound simple, but you've got to do it daily.
"The well fed cannot understand the hungry"
Interesting analogy since none of them looked like Jews in the holocaust. Do you wonder why?
@vovagusev "The well fed cannot understand the hungry"
I really like your analogy, because it is a great visual representation that parallels all of their complaints. I can show you video of a Palestinian radio broadcaster who in 1998 confessed to broadcasting lies about a suppose "massacre" & admitting it was his biggest mistake "akbar" but then in a BBC interview denied ANY responsibility for Arab Flight in 1948, because it (the lie) was not specifically raised in that conversation.
@vovagusev "The well fed cannot understand the hungry"
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So do pay attention to the claims & look for evidence. There was no evidence whatsoever. Did you not hear the sister saying she would kill 30 Jews to retaliate for her sister killing 1? Hello? Did you know that every statement in the last will video was based on lies told to Palestinians by the propaganda hacks? We have media watch, & I'm already familiar with those lies about "Al Aqsa" etc. They lie to incite murder, & it works.
One has to be decent person himself to broadcast such an opinion that anyone cares about. You already have revealed you don't quality in that regard. You're an atrocious zealot who believes Islamic imperialist lies.
This is directed at only 2 users, but as a principal, I don't want to make anyone think I need to silence any statements, but if I nor nobody else can't figure out your point, I need to remove your web-version of a filibusterer to prevent you from filling up this page with apparently meaningless statements. I will start deleting anything that is not articulated at least clearly enough for me or someone (anyone!) to read it and understand what the point is.
Something else I want to point out about this film is the difference in how Ayats mother acts when she is being interviewed by herself and when shes interviewed with her husband present, Ive noticed this change in personality in lots of muslim women!
Yep...watching it again! lol....Something else strange to me is Ayats little sister...Shes so upset that her sister is dead, her sister killed a jew, which is the point of the whole thing...so ayats sister gets really upset and wants to kill 30 to avenge the death of her sister fulfilling her mission?? God this doesnt make any sense...Who is she mad at?? she acts like shes mad at the radicals yet she wants to be a radical to make a statement about her radical sister having to die??? confused...
Lies about Israelis disgust you. I pity anyone that is so easily manipulated without any evidence. Decent people really have a huge job getting through to people like you. Can you possibly accept that maybe the Palestinians have been lied to? Can you conceive that having murderers programmed from birth with lies, that checkpoints and security is the only thing keeping the nation from being shut down by terrorists and the poor people they manipulate?
the evidence is there. israelis are doing what has been done to the jews in Europe. The victims are turning in to the oppressers. I stated that israelis disgust me not jews because they're many jews standing up against what their government is doing and against what the fundamentalis jews are doing. by the rachel's mother was concerned about her daughter doesn't she realize that from palestinian side 1 child isn't a big deal. They lose children everyday , thats their life
@hodan "the evidence is there. israelis are doing what has been done to the jews in Europe"
That is the opening line of a statement. If you can't finish that statement with reference to the evidence, then you're simply causing problems by making assumptions that historically have incited many murders...not something to take lightly.
"I stated that israelis disgust me not jews because they're many jews standing up against what their government is doing"
"rachel's mother was concerned about her daughter doesn't she realize that from palestinian side 1 child isn't a big deal. They lose children everyday , thats their life"
Nobody questions the poignancy of the narratives, they question lives or dies on whether it's true. When the evidence shows that Hamas et. al. have been running an orchestrated Islamic imperialist campaign, that makes you & a sellout dupe.
What do you gain? Following your gut-instinct like Oprah taught you to?
@hodan "Rachel's mother was concerned about her daughter doesn't she realize that from palestinian side 1 child isn't a big deal. They lose children everyday , thats their life"
What the film did not reveal is that Rachel's mother (who was not editor or did she have any control over what they did or did not reveal to the audience) knows that all of those claims are lies. That is the point. That is why this movie is sensational & could be crucial to show empathy in layers for both sides.
ur so pathetic ! u expect palestinian to care about one israeli child when they lose their own children everyday ?? when soldiers kills palestinian children it's not terrorism the victims are just casulties because they wearing a uniform it makes it alright ! Get real u jerk ! I dont have to be palestinian nor arab to realize what their doing is disgusting u asshole ! jews are no better humans than the rest they should get over their selves and stop superiority complex !
@hodan889 I care about both sides 'casualties" which is alot better than being one sided like you! you need to wake up and see whats really going on! And coming down on one side makes you no better than what your pointing your finger at!! you wanna point your finger at me??? well I'll point your finger towards the mirror!!
@hodan "ur so pathetic ! u expect palestinian to care about one israeli child when they lose their own children everyday ?"
You personally disgust me. Even if you don't know what Rachel' mom knows about the lies of the Palestinians, you expect more victims to show empathy for those who murder them just because they are supposedly worse victims somehow? Who is the victim here? We only KNOW that Rachel was murdered. The rest is conjecture. We only know for sure what we were told by the murderer.
"when soldiers kills palestinian children it's not terrorism the victims are just casulties because they wearing a uniform it makes it alright"
Even in your best effort to twist the facts, even if they weren't lying (which they are) but we KNOW for 100% without question that Palestinian deliberately choose targets to show they can kill anyone, and will not compromise. There is no central authority to even surrender to. They threaten genocide literally, & admit they target babies..
@hodan889 "when soldiers kills palestinian children it's not terrorism the victims are just casulties because they wearing a uniform it makes it alright"
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Even in your best effort to twist the facts;
w/out question Palestinians deliberately choose targets to show they can kill anyone, threaten literal genocide & admit they target babies & mutilate corpses. You personally are disgusting. Israel follows command structure, due process & warns civilian populations before military actions.
The final point I will make is that in spite of Israeli warning civilians, they have NO obligation to do this because it is standard operating procedures for male Jihadis to not just refuse to wear a uniform (which you seem to think is not important, shows you have no comprehension of justice, though I'm not surprised) but they actual exploit the Islamic dress mode for women, which many are convinced is the sole reason to force this dress mode on Islamic women.
@hodan889 "because they wearing a uniform it makes it alright"
It's much more complex than that, but that is certainly a huge part, legal conduct of war against criminal terrorists. You don't even understand what that means. You just suck up Islamic and left-wing propaganda authored by the Soviets and fed to the dupes of the West years ago, still recycled to this day...
@hodan889 "because they wearing a uniform it makes it alright"
Is that the only difference you are aware of? Perhaps you can explain more completely your position? Why not take this chance to educate us on the issues of why Palestinian terrorist organizations are considered to be morally equal to a military that is ruled by a democratic republic that honors human rights as much as any other nation in history even to terrorists in as far as practical.
@hodan889 "I dont have to be palestinian nor arab to realize what their doing is disgusting u asshole"
Which is? Please tell me what disgusts you in enough context for us to know why Palestinian terrorists driven by a promise to complete the holocaust (after fighting with Hitler, the same exact people who lead the PA today). Did you know that Arafat changed his name from Husseini and was literally raised by the Mufti during the Mufti's alliance with Hitler? Arafat could have even met Hitler.
Help me. I must be ignorant, because from the information I have, it makes you look like the a-hole, jerk dupe disgusting moron, but I may be missing some crucial evidence you uncovered to show why terrorists should be considered = or even morally superior to Israel? I don't see you calling Palestinian murders assholes, the BEST you can come up with is making them = (with no reason to) but then you call the Israelis assholes while kissing terrorists asses?
"jews are no better humans than the rest they should get over their selves and stop superiority complex"
They're NOT superior as people, they have a vastly SUPERIOR MORAL POSITION. Let me ask you this; is it possible that some actions are immoral? Is is possible that comparing actions, that some might be deemed morally superior? Walking the dog vs. stepping on a squirrel? SOME times it's hard to choose who, but not in this case. Islamic imperialism & lies are driving Palestinians.
@hodan889 "! jews are no better humans than the rest they should get over their selves and stop superiority complex"
Thank you for so brilliantly exposing the weakness of your purely emotional acceptance of Palestinian Islamic propaganda. You must be in your 20s and attended a university that went amok with "Israel Apartheid week" lies.
Palestinian islamic propaganda ?? How about zionist propaganda ? Palestinians had their lands taken from ? u wanna talk about legalty ? israelis should have settlements in gaza nor in the west bank it's against international law but they still do it ? why because they have inconditionnel support from the US ! each time the US put their veto ! As for u you zionist imbecil, keep on bullying around anyone gives an opinion or even remotly tris to defend the palestinans
@hodan "israelis should have settlements in gaza nor in the west bank it's against international law but they still do it"
You're incorrect. I understand the confusion because there are lots of people who have been threatened by Islamic imperialists, so they repeat certain claims that are not true.
Who is the sovereign in Gaza? How about the West Bank, same question? Who is the sovereign?
Or are you talking about stolen personal real property? Which is it? I'm sure you must know...
Jewish historians such Ilan Pappe and avi shlaim have working to get the truth out. Such as the myth that Palestine was territory without any people, who is the sovereign in Gaza or the West bank should i respond israel ??? Israel who was these population under occupation worse than apartheid i guess that you would have support that as well, palestinians were expelled from their homes and refused to return whereas any jew from europe or morocco or ethiopia could enter
@hodan889 "Jewish historians such Ilan Pappe and avi shlaim have working to get the truth out"
Let me explain something from the conversation with the other idiot of the day; there are liberals who follow "comparative religion" & use that theory to calculate that there's no objective truth & all people have various but equal moral codes. From that context, anyone suffering is always morally correct. Once you factor in that the Palestinians cause their own suffering, the liberal logic fails.
@hodan889 "Jewish historians such Ilan Pappe and avi shlaim have working to get the truth out"
I agree; they mean well, but by following false theories of moral equivalence, they destroy the morally superior position of the West by failing to factor in the Palestinian culture of hatred & collectivism, by refusing to accept that Islam can be used as a tool for wicked unjust hatred. In short; if Islam is morally equal, so is Nazism. Seriously. If nothing can be immoral, neither was the holocaust.
@hodan "Jewish historians such Ilan Pappe and avi shlaim have working to get the truth out"
Here's my answer to the question, why do I call people names? Because I need to discern between legitimate positions & hateful stupidity. This question is legitimate. It's not stupid to believe liberals. Some people may have lives that never reveal any reason to question moral equivalence. I live in California, & there seriously are communities where you'd never question it. Move to Ca. but don't vote.
@hodan889 "...the truth out. Such as the myth that Palestine was territory without any people"
I dont' know precisely who accepts what myths, but I focus on salients. After 6 decades and counting, why screw with non-issues like what people think about demographics that can be argued both ways, when it's completely moot?
Who cares either way? It distracts from the salient issues of justice. Justice was not impeded by Zionism, justice was corrected. Individual (in)justice is a court matter.
@hodan889 "who is the sovereign in Gaza or the West bank should i respond israel ??"
Respond with your belief.
"Israel who was these population under occupation worse than apartheid"
Here is where you totally lost it. That is so stupid. You have to use stupid irrational characterizations when you started rationally? Can you remove emotional claims? If not, being part-rational is moot if you reserve the right to insert your little irrational shit-fits to get your way in the end irregardless.
@constructivereconcil ur incapable of giving me a straight response u call facts emotional lies just pathetic historian like ilan pappe and avi shlaim have been telling the truth, go and check them out u definately will like what they have to say
anyways done with u there's no hope for people like yourself
@hodan "anyways done with u there's no hope for people like yourself"
People are killed every day over the incitement you spread like salt over icy roads. You may have blood on your hands, and all you care about is throwing around tiz-fits when your sarcasm runs out. Maybe you need to lose a family member for you to take incitement more seriously. You literally may have incited murder on a daily basis, & you don't care.
YOU DON"T CARE about anything but your little ego. You are so typical.
@hodan "anyways done with u there's no hope for people like yourself"
Mission accomplished, given how you started the entire conversation with "Israelis make me sick." That's a cry for help. You only care about yourself, you chose Israel to demonize not because you care about Palestinians but you needed a scapegoat.
The reason my mission was accomplished is that if I can take someone like you & show the truth, great. If not, you'll at least think twice before spewing your mindless crap again.
@h "Israel who was these population under occupation worse than apartheid...yada yada...palestinians were expelled from their homes and refused to return whereas any jew from europe or morocco or ethiopia could enter"
Since you put it like that, you have no right to complain about propaganda because you use your own too. Is that what you want? There's no such thing as partly rational. As soon as you inject your own emotional garbage based on lies, you've left the zone of rational positions.
@hodan889 "palestinians were expelled from their homes and refused to return whereas any jew from europe or morocco or ethiopia could enter"
Over 6 decades, you'd have this in any nation. People were not ejected from their homes, people lost their homes after using them to besiege Jerusalem. This was a war they started & then lost. In this case, justice was served writ-large (collectively), but as I say, individual justice should be pursued in the courts. Israel is a liberal democracy etc.
@h "palestinians were expelled from their homes and refused to return...any jew from europe or morocco or ethiopia could enter"
There're millions of Arab-Muslim Israeli citizens, proving it wasn't at all based on bigotry. Those Arab Muslims not involved in the internal war-making ("5th column") were full citizens from the start.
The *distinction in their fate*
is how they aligned their interests &
*actions*
when Arab Muslims started the war (with others here & there).
What land was taken ? Palestine u dumb fuck? who owned Palestinians , or was the jews that were fleewing from Europe after the holocaust ??? was it them who owned the land ??your turn please be specific . by the way u have nothing to teach like u know some hidden truth. the occupation is there the death toll is there everything is cristal clear, what i see that economic power and military power triumph justice. jimmy carter should be executed for treason, why
@hodan "What land was taken ? Palestine u dumb fuck?"
So you must believe that the presence of any Jew in that region is a failure to achieve a "Jew free" nation & a crime against the Arab Muslim uma? I thought you were posing at a pro-democracy Westerner? Or maybe I am stupid & I just don't get it like you do. Palestine was a unified (land) property of who? Who lost Palestine? When was it lost, on Nakba Day? The possibility still exists that 1 of us IS a dumbfuck, & it still might be you.
@hodan "who owned Palestinians , or was the jews that were fleewing from Europe after the holocaust ? was it them who owned the land ?"
No.
"your turn please be specific"
Sure. It was the unified Ottoman Empire until Britain et al terminated their sovereignty & divided it based on "national identity" & self-rule based on approximate previous ethnicities, trying to preserve as best as possible the local majorities. If they failed (which they did), the Jews were the primary victims.
@hodan889 "by the way u have nothing to teach like u know some hidden truth"
Then how is it that you didn't even know the sovereignty of Israel before the Jewish nation was reestablished?
"the occupation is there the death toll is there everything is cristal clear"
Some things are clear, while most of the salient points are CLEARLY misunderstood, you're absolute proof of that. You've just testified to your own ignorance.
@hodan889 "what i see that economic power and military power triumph justice"
Often justice does win these days, at least we try harder than any other generation. Can you show me any time in history when there was more justice (if one can offer opinions on justice, surely this question is relevant discernible, if not, then all attempts at discernment are pointless)?
By the way, whose standards of morality are you even using? You don't even know 'the gifts of the Jews.'
@hodan889 "jimmy carter should be executed for treason, why"
His treasonous actions have been helping to incite murder daily for decades now. He had no right to try to finish a presidential term he was fired from, yet he inserts his "presidential" power internationally that was not given to him. The laws need to be changed so that it is clear how unjust his actions have been.
It's outrageous, & It's ego-maniacal, & pure Machiavellian politics funded by Saudi Islamists.
Jimmy carter was an israeli prime minister ? treason to whom? israel? lool i didnt know that israel govern the states as well loool i guess that explains alot AIPAC does have to appouve everthing that the us government and congress does in the middle east. israeli settlements in gaza and the west bank are illegal under international check the facts u ignorant . ur a waste of time anyway , keep ignoring real facts, it's all based on a "Promise" right ?? Asshole
@h "Jimmy carter was an israeli prime minister ?" Say what? "treason to whom? israel?" The United States. "i didnt know that israel govern the states as well" You're slightly delusional. Use sarcasm when you know you have no point to make, is that all you have? "i guess that explains alot AIPAC does have to appouve everthing that the us government and congress does" google: "canard" and or "libel" "it's all based on a "Promise" right ?? Asshole" You've lost me, but I'm not worried.
@hodan "why because they have inconditionnel support from the US"
Well, yeah because every damn congressman and senator knows the difference between propaganda and the actual law & path to justice. We have bent over backwards for Palestine because of nuisance value. Jimmy Carter should be executed for treason, his manipulation in normalizing Yasser Arafat, the unrepentant terrorist who followed Mafia style government, just another criminal. Is that the fault of the US, that Arafat was trusted?
@hodan889 "As for u you zionist imbecil, keep on bullying around anyone gives an opinion or even remotly tris to defend the palestinans"
If you care so much about the Palestinians as people, why not help them become liberated rather than trying to threaten death to everyone wanting to have Israel live in peace? You can't properly defend anyone with lies.
Maybe you simply don't know they are lies, so I am your new best friend. I will help you help them. That is what I'd like to do.
@hodan "Palestinian islamic propaganda ?? How about zionist propaganda ?"
Anyone can call anything propaganda, it's not that meaningful, but a clue to those who care about evidence, to remember to look for it and not to accept something that may have origins in a 14 century old theocracy hostile explicitly to Christians and Jews, that considers all "Europeans" either Christian, Jew or other by "race."
So sad....Rachels mother isn't listening to Ayats mother. Not that I blame her, but its hard to see it from Ayats mothers perspective. I feel sorriest for Ayats parents
Why? It's a different kind of burden I guess. I don't think I could quantify pity for such pain. Why would you think you could? I really would like to hear your thoughts, maybe you'll convince me. That's the reason I uploaded this film. I was originally going to start much later, but I had to get this and a few other films out here.
@constructivereconcil I feel such pity for Palestine and its people. I feel like Rachel's mother keeps dismissing the conditions under which they are forced to live in, almost rolling her eyes. I also believe that Ayats mother truly thinks what her daughter did was wrong. She must feel guilt on top of losing a daughter, she has to live with the fact that her daughter deliberately killed someone else's daughter. That must be a whole different realm of pain.
@LasBrisas1979 "I feel like Rachel's mother keeps dismissing the conditions"
My jaw is dropping. Did you not see where they were? Did it look like the Muslims lived any different than the Jews? I saw NOTHING different. Nothing. Just lies & attitude. BUT they are locked in by their Arab Muslims leaders, not the Jews. The Israelis need to secure their nation. Period. Any sane person can see, hello? Watch the film & please show me how one can *wax a luxury car* while calling his life "oppressed."
@LasBrisas1979 "I feel like Rachel's mother keeps dismissing the conditions
Exactly, & the question is, IF the Israelis are truly acting like Nazis but hiding it from the cameras somehow, then OK, I might want to know more. But if as I already know, the complaints are purely skutttlebut, every complaint they stated was false (but they may not have known this)...They must imagine the rest of the world lives like what? They lived exactly alike. Nobody there was oppressed. Lies, lies & more lies.
@constructivereconcil I don't understand how you can "almost roll your eyes" at an entire population of people who are oppressed to the point of disparity, your daughter blows herself up. Don't get me wrong, in no way do I support or commend such actions. I can merely see beyond my own selfishness to the reality that Israeli government is doing the same damn thing on a slower scale to the Palestinians that the Nazis did to them in the Holocaust. Its hypocrisy at its best.
"I don't understand how you can "almost roll your eyes" at an entire population of people who are oppressed to the point of disparity"
I know you don't understand. That is why I try to explain. Let's try again; all of their claims are either 100% fiction, or distorted to remove the true identity of the guilty party, not to mention the fact that you see in the video their standard of living as they describe supposed "Nazi Israelis?" Where are they? We can't ever see it! Why?
I would laugh at that line, but the sadness prevents me. It's always complete nonsense. Ever notice that? Clearly not. I'll tell you what, you sit through "Road to Jenin" and tell me that none of those "Palestinians" are liars. Almost ever claim is proved to be a lie. So, they have a record of lying completely over everything.
It's so obvious that it goes right over your head.
"Don't get me wrong, in no way do I support or commend such actions"
Lip service. You DO support their excuses. That's support! Hello? All those people support the attacks. Every last one of them. Simply inserting a throw away line like that is simply evidence that you have flawed reasoning, nothing more. Stupid is as stupid does. I can say I "condemn" murder verbally while pulling a trigger that kills people. Which fact is more germane to the question? My words or my actions?
"I can merely see beyond my own selfishness to the reality that Israeli government is doing the same damn thing on a slower scale to the Palestinians that the Nazis did to them in the Holocaust"
Would you agree that it matters whether or not what you say is true?
Yes or no? Does it matter whether it is true, or is your "feeling" about this statement all that matters?
What makes me puke every day is people like you who pontificate as though you care about the Palestinians. You care as much about them as a medical doctor who refuses to examine his patients but still hands out medicine based on the rumor of the disease cares about the people he supposedly helps.
Thanks for nothing. Strike that. Thanks for helping make everything infinitely worse.
@constructivereconcil You attack me because I feel pity for someone? What makes ME puke, is people like YOU who propagate anger toward another group with the close minded view that YOU are right and THEY are wrong. Your "doctor" analogy is totally off base, but there YOU are telling ME my views because again, YOU are right and I am wrong.
@LasBrisas1979 "You attack me because I feel pity for someone?"
I don't attack your pity, you fool. Do you intentionally deceive, or are you deceived yourself?
"What makes ME puke, is people like YOU who propagate anger toward another group with the close minded view that YOU are right and THEY are wrong"
Let me ask you this. Do you deny that some facts are provable as being correct, or do you subscribe to the false belief that there are no absolute truths at all? Explain quantum mechanics.
@LasBrisas1979 "Your "doctor" analogy is totally off base"
Easy enough to say, now show me your evidence. What is your rationale?
"but there YOU are telling ME my views because again"
No, I explained the implications of your beliefs, not what they are. Do you understand the difference? Use a dictionary and take as much time as you need. I want to hear your best arguments. Convince me that you're correct, and win me over. Please? Show me you are correct. Take as much time as you need.
@LasBrisas1979 "because again, YOU are right and I am wrong"
Is it possible that you are wrong? Do you concede ANY possibility that some facts might be provable or disprovable? Does your whiny sarcasm have a confession, or an illogical stubborn belief that it's not even possible you're wrong?
Hiding behind sarcasm is exactly why disputes carry on for generations, denying the use of reason to end arguments rationally & peacefully. You foment war unknowingly, like so many others. It's very sad.
@constructivereconcil CONT... Pretty soon you will be strapping on a bomb and walking into a market place and blowing yourself up because YOU are right and THEY are wrong. Your parents must be proud to have raised such an open minded and caring human being.
@LasBrisas "soon you will be strapping on a bomb and walking into a market place and blowing yourself up because YOU are right and THEY are wrong"
You need to read "Animal Farm" because you use totalitarian tyranny, 180 degrees from the truth. I exhort w words to seek an objective truth that is independent of my opinions, while you support irrational religious lies without ever considering that reason can be used to seek justice peacefully. Here I am trying to use reason, yet you denounce me.
@LasBrisas "Your parents must be proud to have raised such an open minded and caring human being"
My parents are blind illogical liberals just like you. I had to discover the truth, while they kept their noses buried in liberal hypocrisy, working for pure capitalism while denouncing other capitalists who disagreed with their purely emotionally derived opinions. I am the only one that volunteers my time for works that benefit others. You are very much like them, the blind fools.
@LasBrisas1979 "Pretty soon you will be strapping on a bomb and walking into a market place and blowing yourself up because YOU are right and THEY are wrong"
It's pitiful how radical your views are, totally blinding you to any objectivity. You might even learn on your own how stupid your opinions are, completely derived from emotional Oprah-logic. You must have loved "The Secret." Those who argue with you are evil. Right? You equate my exhortations to examine objective facts with terrorism!
ISRAEL+PALESTINE, ONE STATE!!! SECULAR, DEMOCRATIC, PLURALIST WELFARE STATE WITH PERMANENT GOVERNMENT REPRESENTATIVES FROM UN, HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH, TRANSPARENCY INTERNATIONAL AND OTHER NEUTRAL MONITORS, THAT IS THE SOLUTION.
@ravenlord06 You are missing some details, but yes it is possible when the Western voters have a coherent plan and demand from our leaders decisive actions in spite of the risk that in suggesting the plans they may offend some Muslims temporarily.
@constructivereconcil western "voters" cannot vote on anything regarding Israel because their governments because they are never given the CHOICE to vote even though they're supposed to be living in DEMOCRACIES, most western voters, given the choice, would not spare a dollar in the aid of Israel, those dollars are needed to fix crumbling infrastructure, improve education and healthcare and boost the economies of the US and Europe.
@ravenlord06 "western "voters" cannot vote on anything regarding Israel because their governments because they are never given the CHOICE to vote"
You don't elect your representatives, or the representatives are violating the will of their constituents? What precisely is your accusation? I've heard lots of stupid ones, but maybe you can surprise me.
"most western voters, given the choice, would not spare a dollar in the aid of Israel"
That's obviously not true. Typical internet bubble.
"those dollars are needed to fix crumbling infrastructure, improve education and healthcare and boost the economies of the US and Europe"
Mr. Lord of Ravens,
You've simply used an overly simplified argument that's not held in agreement by the majority. Follow due process, something we have in common with Israel, in conflict w Islam: Due process.
Budgets are far more complex than cutting of aid to an ally. It is also deceptive, because cutting their aid could cause you to lose.
"those dollars are needed to fix crumbling infrastructure, improve education and healthcare and boost the economies of the US and Europe"
Mr. Raven,
Point #2 is why does Europe place higher on your priorities than Israel? You are foolish, and possibly unaware of your own anti-Jewish bias. By definition, people are never aware of their bias. You've reacted to emotional arguments that use lies of omission and naivete to attack legitimate expenditures, most of which are used to buy US products.
@constructivereconcil As a general principle, countries should not interfere in the affairs of other countries especially in such a controversial conflict such as the Israeli-Palestinean one. The Arabs need to grow some balls and dig themselves out of the holes they have allowed Britain/US to dig for them through colonialism and neo-colonialism. All stolen land should be returned to the Palestineans, the BIble cannot be used as a "land deed".
@ravenlord "As a general principle, countries should not interfere in the affairs of other countries"
Sure.
"especially in such a controversial conflict such as the Israeli-Palestinean one"
Sure, after 6+ decades, now you want to pretend we aren't involved? We are the ones who pressured & promised Israel to take a chance on peace with Arafat, we guaranteed their security for risking the creation of the PA but NOW is when you find it convenient to pretend none of it every happened?
"The Arabs need to grow some balls and dig themselves out of the holes they have allowed Britain/US to dig for them through colonialism and neo-colonialism"
Oh brother. You are completely biased against the facts. You may think you 'love America" but you don't actually understand liberal democracy, nor do you understand the problems we helped create already. Do we keep our principals or not?
@ravenlord06 "All stolen land should be returned to the Palestineans"
People like you make me so angry. You act principled & then use presumptuous statements like this? What if there was no "stolen land?" You are a victim of Islamic imperialist propaganda, and I probably correctly detect an affinity for believing the hard left activists and their lies fed to them by the same Islamic imperialist.
Islamic victims of colonialism? It's so pathetic, I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
"All stolen land should be returned to the Palestineans"
Just to be crystal clear, no land was stolen. The rhetorical statements are referring to sovereignty. Some land was forfeited and reused when Arab Muslim 5th columns rose up in their siege of Jerusalem. Weeks later, the Israelis finally reacted with force to break the seige, and the "Arab Flight' was caused by Dr. Khalidi's own lies about Deir Yassin, broadcast by Hazem Nusseibeh of the Palestine Broadcasting Service.
"All stolen land should be returned to the Palestineans"
No land was stolen. Arab Muslims rose up against Israeli Jews, trying to cut supplies for Jerusalem. Actual Arab flight was caused by their own lies.
Hazem Nusseibeh - Palestine Broadcasting Service: "I asked Dr Khalidi how we should cover the story. He said, 'We must make the most of this.' So he wrote a press release stating that at Deir Yassin, children were murdered, pregnant women were raped, all sorts of atrocities."
@ravenlord "All stolen land should be returned to the Palestineans"
3/3
Hazem Nusseibeh - Palestine Broadcasting Service: (Referring to the lies authored by Dr. Khalidi about a supposed massacre at Deir Yassin) "This was our biggest mistake. We did not realize how our people would react. As soon as they heard that women had been raped at Deir Yassin, Palestinians fled in terror. They ran away from all our villages."
Some innocent individuals were hurt by collective action of the Palestinians.
I've never heard anyone say so literally. You just can't discern between rhetoric and serious positions people take. Look at it this way, the Bible teaches the ten commandments. It doesn't say you can steal anything. Nothing was stolen. You accepted lies authored originally by Islamic imperialists, repeated by fools & anti-Semites.
@roliver31483 I know that saying and its "STUPIDITY" and not "STUPID lasts forever" as you put it. You may want to work on the 3 following areas: english grammar, your honesty and logic.
@ravenlord06 If i wanted to say "stupidity" and refer to stupidity as a whole then I would have, but I was directing that statement towards you only so the singular form is correct.....My english and grammar may need work, Im not going to say that it doesnt, but my honesty and logic is right on, its so funny to me that all you can do is attack grammar, you dont even realize that "stupid" doesnt necessarily mean someone who isnt booksmart! Your take on everything reveals your closemindedness:(
@constructivereconcil The Arab girl interviewed in the prison wanted all non-Palestinean Jews to return back to their respective countries. As a muslim, I do not agree with that because those countries, Russia, Iraq, etc are all racist against jews. Jews and Muslims should be accommodated in one state with FULL RIGHTS for all. All stolen land should be returned. Theft, colonialism, murder, violence, all these things are not allowed in Judaism, Christianity and Islam.
@ravenlord06 ohh excuse me Russia was ruled by Jews since 1917 Trocky,Lenin, Uljanov, Kaganovich, Jaghoda, Lipman, Stolcman etc But the result of there "rules" are more then 50 mln skulls and bones spread from Odra up too Wladywostock. Besides ever heard of Lavon affair? How Mossad used terror in Cairo and Alexandria in 1950s to make Egyptian Jews expulsion. Besides "mizrachi" were called as "monkeys" and holocaust survavoirs were nicknamed as "soaps". Its hard to be desent man and zionist.
@rakuuu "ohh excuse me Russia was ruled by Jews since 1917"
You're a friggin
"ever heard of Lavon affair? How Mossad used terror in Cairo and Alexandria in 1950s"
LOL I love when you idiots find criminals that are punished, who out of desperation drop for one moment to the level of the absolute mode of operation of the enemies, he stupidly lowered himself and you present that as evidence? The exception that proves the rule, because it was exceptional. No injuries. Some terror.
@constructivereconcil first of all I am not muslim, I am chrisitan and I realy care about it as part of world heritage. You wanna critiseze islam? Welcome do so, but I suppose you havent been to any muslim/arab states, and for sure you havent been to any arab homes, and your knowlege begins and ends on the "movies" which are made by certain political benefits. Micheal Oren that israeli Geobbels is authority for you? Cuz why, he is good lookin? Ever read his book about six day war?
@rakuuu "I am chrisitan and I realy care about it as part of world heritage" What? "You wanna critiseze islam?" I want to criticize anything that needs it, Islam needs it more than anything I've ever encountered. "Welcome do so, but I suppose you havent been to any muslim/arab states" Because? "and your knowlege begins and ends on the "movies" OK, what is your point? "made by certain political benefits" Right, because Islam is the only pure thing for mankind, right Mr. Christian?
@rakuuu85 Well I have been personally to these places and Im saying 'ISLAM DEFINITELY DESERVES CRITICISM!!" and regardless of if "stolen" land was returned they would still come after christians and jews due to the fact they are commanded to do so....they would just find a different excuse and its more than time FOR IT TO STOP!!!
@roliver31483 so critisize islam, you are welcomed, but do it in a creative and realistic way- for example which hadis from kitab as sitta is tell what to do etc. Speaking that islam is bad, cuz its bad show just poor intelectual abilities, and belive me am not pro islamic, opposit, I am rather againt it, but from those comentaries and movies lie and ignorance burst out in the face. "dark ages" are on both sides, with the difference, that I do care what theroeticly things and speaks
@rakuuu "so critisize islam, you are welcomed, but do it in a creative and realistic way"
You don't care about facts. You have no right to make such self righteous claims after trying to ram down all the lies on these pages.
"Speaking that islam is bad, cuz its bad"
You're quite delusional. Islam is bad because it lies about Jews, & uses those lies to kill every day since Mohammed was alive. That's not "bad because I don't like it."
There's certainly evil everywhere, but that's no defense.
@rakuuu85 This video is the most realistic I have seen by far!! The honesty in it is astounding! The only 'lies' in this documentary are coming from the palestinian side...I honestly am way to busy to sit here and argue with you, I have a ton of work to do, so until you actually come up with some cold hard facts that can back you up, dont bother replying!
@roliver31483 well the times of "colonial" authorities are over you know. Its not enough to say I HAD BEEN TO,,, and I say definetly that etc etc. Tourism busness its just bussness. For instance I been couple of times in Iran, do I go to publisher or on the web listen dudes I been to so I know here its my revelation of reality there. Nope, cuz as an antropologist I know that to "be sure" of other cultures just doesnt exist cuz of phiolosopical critique. Therefore to KNOW somethin and to think
@roliver31483 I know its two totaly different issues, which frankly ought to told by parents in the young age. You wanna critisize islam? Oki. But islam where? In Algeria in Bosnia in Turkiestan or Tatars livin in eastern Poland? Ahlan we sahlan, but to do so, you must be ignorant cuz at least those 4 countries have totaly different tradition, culture and heritage, which to at least get somehow familiar takes sometimes whole life. So go for it
"You wanna critisize islam? Oki. But islam where? In Algeria in Bosnia in Turkiestan or Tatars livin in eastern Poland? Ahlan we sahlan, but to do so, you must be ignorant cuz at least those 4 countries have totaly different tradition"
Do you want to rephrase that? Can you spot your own flawed thinking?
"So go for it"
Lose an argument, turn your head & start spewing more lies without answering for your earlier stupid remarks? What audacity, and undeserved.
It's entirely possible that you truly don't understand what I have tried to show you. You seem to have your own dissertations with so much confidence that it makes sense, it makes me wonder if the language barrier makes my statements seem irrational to you. So here I am saying that you really need to check your positions and see if you can discover your own flaws. You don't owe me anything really, but for your own good, please consider my advice for your own good.
I really don't know why you had to say that. You make it sound like you have to clarify after I made some accusation. What is your point? And since you decided to state this, what is your definition of a Christian? How did you conclude that you are one?
You don't owe me any explanation, but since you brought it up, I am wondering why I am supposed to care. I would like to know whatever you're willing to share.
"Micheal Oren that israeli Geobbels is authority for you? Cuz why, he is good lookin? Ever read his book about six day war?"
OK, so you like his book and you are attracted to him? Why do I need to know this? What does
"that israeli Geobbels is authority for you?" mean?
You respect him or not? I assume if you mention his book that you appreciate his scholarship. He's also a diplomat for Israel. Can you imagine a historian of that caliber representing an Islamic nation? I can't.
General Dayan- We would send a tractor to plow some area where it wasn't possible to do anything, in the demilitarized area, and knew in advance that the Syrians would start to shoot. If they didn't shoot, we would tell the tractor to advance farther, until in the end the Syrians would get annoyed and shoot. And then we would use artillery and later the air force also, and that's how it was.You don't strike at the enemy because he is a bastard, but because he threatens you and they,
Moron, I know that Israel is an open society, due process, human rights, and so on and so forth. They have a passionate need to explore every angle of the truth, that is how the West inherited these values. Now you psychotics who are raised in cults are fed these blurbs out-of-context and you think it means something that it in fact does not mean.
I have seen infinitely more sophisticated abuses of facts than you have tried thus far.
@constructivereconcil habibi in Soviet Union there were political oposittion as well- of course not during Stalin but later on. the same works betselem in israel, as useful morans for foregners. They are very helpfull for my work with very good material data, but there influence is non, or just symbolic. I had been to many countries, but just in one I cant buy land cuz of ethnic/reglious background- its Israel. Even if I would get married there I wouldnt be full right citizen- like Druze
@rakuuu "Even if I would get married there I wouldnt be full right citizen- like Druze"
False. It gets tiresome when people change the subject by quoting something out of context to imply something is amiss, but what makes me crazy is the hypocrisy because Israel is the ONLY Jewish state, & it mentions Jews explicitly because every other nation in that region specifically places nonMuslims as "dhimmi" which as a word is derived from "diminished" as in status. Nazis emulated the dhimmi status.
The 2nd point is that if you report a "fact" that based on Western culture might weem "wrong" (I see no other reason why you'd write it) that too proves the West superior because you ask me to measure an individual act in the context of Western values. What does that tell you?
Criminals are prosecuted in the West because we have due process, but what you don't say is the outcome you prefer from Islam. The only thing you have to offer is Sharia Law.
@constructivereconcil who "are loyal" but outsiders, therefore they have even difficulties to get there own land in there own villages. And yes there land was also confiscated in 1949, despite that Druze were part of Hagana and IDF. So is it open? Maybe in few neigborhoods in Tel Aviv or Haifa- yes, but not in the rest, were citizenship is only buy blood criteria- camin back to history isnt it? You mention as a great western value its attitude towards criminals- which in that case I do not agree
@rakuuu "who "are loyal" but outsiders, therefore they have even difficulties to get there own land in there own villages"
I've never heard of even 1 Israeli leaving the country to find a better life. Please explain to me how you present Israel as the worst in the region when in fact it's the only place w Western laws, particularly concerning human rights, democracy etc. which includes Western style courts of equity. Your story only makes sense to you because Islam has an entire culture of lies
@constructivereconcil 've never heard of even 1 Israeli leaving the country to find a better life.
oh mine friend you never been to Tel Aviv I see. In Tel Aviv one of most crowded places is US Embassy which gives visa to America. Israeli goverment never asked for non visa movment for israelis cuz they would just all leaves. In Rabins dairy, which I think you should read, Rabin says that in the end of 70s, military established that almost 3 divisions are living abroad. Those divisions are only
@rakuuu85 "I've never heard of even 1 Israeli leaving the country to find a better life."
I should've said leaving the country for another regional home. Israel is the cultural parent of Western civilization. Of course they will feel fine in any Western nation not currently over-rum by Islamic imperialist colonial migrants. I also could have made more sense by talking about the Arab Muslim Israelis, who never seem to crave living under Islam after living in Israel, the supposed apartheid state.
@constructivereconcil man, but we need to multiply that with a numbers of female. And that was in the 70s. During Intifada Jerusalem Post quated that almost 12,000 Israelis are leaving the country annualy. When UE spread in 2004 to new countries like Poland, Czech or Hungary those Israelis who could prove that they had at least one decendent from that country got those countries passports, which now days mean that they can live and work freely in UE. Personaly I know 5 israelis who said goodbye
Right, but you've gleefully exploited a point that I did not intend to make...the only time you make any sense.
"Personaly I know 5 israelis who said goodbye"
Sure, but not for Sharia land or even supposed secular "Arab Land."
Don't get too excited. Your point is moot. Western civilization is based on the Hebrew prophets. It was my fault, but I have to wonder why you think it's so exciting the Israelis prefer developed nations w'out so many murderers? So excited to correct me is all.
Well Hebrew prohets demanded teocratical state, with "sharia" religious law, which says eye for an eye basic rule. its rather greek philosophy, chrisitianity and then enlightment after XVI.
@rakuuu "Well Hebrew prohets demanded teocratical state, with "sharia" religious law"
Completely wrong. Absolutely core to the biggest lie in human history, the lie that Mohamed was a prophet. Your statement is idiotic to ANYONE and EVERYONE that does not accept the lies of Islam.
@rakuuu "read Old Testament, for example that story why and how Dawid became king"
THAT theocracy was so explicit, that's the point! Don't you get it? All of the OT was to show mankind through the example of the Israelites that man cann't achieve righteousness through his own efforts even with God's personal shepherding. By setting requirements as per Leviticus, no Temple etc., no theocracy, no route to righteousness without the Messiah. Hence Jesus Christ informed them of the ultimate path.
Another large lie, because out of context it can mean anything. Judeo Christianity says that is an absolute MAXIMUM to say that once you've been made right, you must cease hostilities. Pagan or natural man seeks revenge and dominance. Once you've been made right, that is it, return to peace.
Muslims & others simply quote it & imply that "revenge is godley" because of the context in which they have been lying about it for these many centuries.
@constructivereconcil Judeo Christianity says that is an absolute MAXIMUM to say that once you've been made right, you must cease hostilities
Well its Christian doctrine, not Jewish, Jews have nothin to do with it, they must use double standards one for Jews, other for "goyim" which some of great jewish rabbies sometimes hardly even recognised as a human being not an humanoid animal
"Judeo Christianity says that is an absolute MAXIMUM to say that once you've been made right, you must cease hostilities"
OK, sure, I'll follow you along that idea..
"Well its Christian doctrine, not Jewish, Jews have nothin to do with it, they must use double standards one for Jews"
Dude, your spewing dogma. The only difference between Christians & Jews are 1) Who they identify with 2) disagreement as to the identity of the coming Messiah.
@constructivereconcil Dude, your spewing dogma. The only difference between Christians & Jews are 1) Who they identify with 2) disagreement as to the identity of the coming Messiah
LOL are you sure? its comon mistake done by christians so this time I will be mercyfull. After 70ad in Javne conference judaism nowdays- judaism rabbinic was made. As you know from NT there were lots of different sects- sadecus,faryssej, esseins, qumran-yet un known, and nutsri-christians. After Javne faryyseism the
@rakuuu "are you sure? its comon mistake done by christians so this time I will be mercyfull"
You'll be merciful to me? What a clown you are. Complete moron. Your failure to understand is not any failure of mine.
Specific to your comment; I'm referring to the texts. Obviously the differences in applications of those texts is where the personal responsibility factors in. You can't blame the religious texts, but blame the cultural deviations & individuals. These are all separate issues.
If IDF is already killing Palestines with so ease then why would his daughter kill? Stupid Logic If occupation is not a problem then what was wrong in living with Nazi Germany and struggling for ur homeland This thing israelies dont understand that this occupation is killing them
shadowofears 3 hours ago
Free Palestine We Will Not Stop until you give us our Freedom It Is our Birth Right
shadowofears 3 hours ago
Jews hv been living for 500 Years with Us even during Hebron Massacre 19 Arab families risked their lives to save 625 Jewish Families For what so that they can slaughter us like animals.I believe the real problem is Israeli Government that want Palestinian people to be kept like animals in a cage.Look at that hypocrate Jewish women crying for her daughter what about israel cruashing Richel corrie an american peace activist under Bulldozer
shadowofears 3 hours ago
The Future of Palestinian people died when Israel slaughtered Gaza Childrens with White Phosphorous Bombs and watched them suffering If They treat us like animals then this is the only solution When injustice becomes Law then Terrorisim is the only way
shadowofears 4 hours ago
Recently Israel killed 322 kids of Gaza in broad day light if Israel people speak against Genocide of Palestine i would sympathesize with them orelse No Israel Creates suisde bombers Atleast they hv created one in me but the only thing restraining me is my faith because i dont believe in killing women and childrens unlike israelies that kill thousads of kids like animals and call it self defence or collateral damage
shadowofears 4 hours ago
No wonder they want to take revenge Israel dont leave Palestinian childrens alive to be loved by their Parents Israel kills them and turn their parents into suiside bombers
shadowofears 4 hours ago
"Israeli investigators and intelligence officers keep video tapes of the raping to blackmail the female detainees. I have been sexually abused and photographed. When I tried to travel to Jordan after my release and Israeli intelligence officer dumfounded my with the humiliating photos."
shadowofears 4 hours ago
"excellent manners"....yeah, like killing innocent people? Fucking fat-ass piece of shit sand monkey. Hitler targeted the wrong people. Can you imagine how much safer and better the world would be in general if there were no muslims? Now THAT would be heaven.
DLarson1083 2 weeks ago
fucking towel-head terrorist whore. I hope she's being gang raped by 1000 black men in hell.
DLarson1083 2 weeks ago
i would never support religious fanatics as they always use young men and women to do their dirty works they use lies and manipulation to incite the refugees, here seventeen yrs old girl taken her youth and future, when will these people learn that violence will oppress them more, the Israelis use these attacks as tactics that Palestinian do not want peace and will destroy, build more walls, prison camp, evict more people from their homes, kill kill that the only solution that Zionist want
hitmaan441 1 month ago
@hitmaan441 You know nothing about this conflict Its israeli people who hv to oppose occupation.The occupation started in 1967 whereas first suiside attack occurred in 1993 in response to butchering of 27 Muslims by Goldstein when they were offering prayer.I hv not yet seen single israeli who hv opposed inhumane treatment of palestines My channel of such videos where israeli is treating them like animals
shadowofears 3 hours ago
as sad as it is... there will be no end in war... until not a single human left on earth... because IMO, words of mouth and vision of eyes travels thru generations and there will always be witnesses throughout generations... and it will pass on continuously... and no, history doesn't repeat itself... us , Humans makes the same mistakes over and over again... sad, but that's how it is now..
huckahucka1 4 months ago
How right was Golda Meir when she said : “We will have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us”
I wish the Palestinian to live in Peace, Prosperity and Freedom. But as long as they think this would only be possible by killing Jews and vanishing Israel from the map, they are their own worst enemy. Am Yisrael Chai!
777ahavajisrael 4 months ago
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@777ahavajisrael IDF Rapes Palestinian womens.A Palestinian female freed from Israeli detention said more than 15 fellow Palestinian women were raped by Israeli interrogators to force them to confess to charges leveled against them and collaborate with the Israeli intelligence.
shadowofears 4 hours ago
What the he'll was the point of this film? This woman is (was) obsessed and totally irrational. I can understand that her grief caused this, but to make. Movie of all this nonsense with no point and no message, is sad and upsetting.
bestsavta1 5 months ago
@bestsavta1 "What the he'll was the point of this film? This woman is (was) obsessed and totally irrational. I can understand that her grief caused this, but to make. Movie of all this nonsense with no point and no message, is sad and upsetting"
Wait, you saw it was "sad and upsetting" but it didn't have a point? I'll give you one more guess what the point was.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@constructivereconcil , i"ll take a flying guess here, futility & stupidity?????? a dialogue of the deaf??? the sad & upsetting part was not the content (although violent death of young people is sad), I was saddened & upset by the waste of time and lack of focus of this ridiculous movie. Not to mention the absolute inablitiy of Abigail to express herself & her views. Giving a clear stage for the PAlestinian dogma. SAD. BAD.
bestsavta1 5 months ago
@b "absolute inablitiy of Abigail to express herself & her views. Giving a clear stage for the PAlestinian dogma"
You do understand how editing works? You didn't get to see or hear directly from the people who assembled the dialog in this presentation. If you just want the dogma of the final cut, take it as it is. If you want to use what facts there are that can be assembled to discover more authentically what each statement meant, that takes longer. Think of this film as a group of clues.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
and also i don't think it matters who's mother you are:of a murderer or victim (just as who's daughter you are also doesn't matter).
by the way there is hope for this woman, i think, when she says in the end "i'm confused" "i don't know what i'm saying anymore" i think she eventually will understand.
anyway
vovagusev 5 months ago
@vovagusev "by the way there is hope for this woman, i think, when she says in the end "i'm confused" "i don't know what i'm saying anymore" i think she eventually will understand"
I have the same impression, which is why this film needs to be discussed as a framework for peace. The Palestinian political leaders are Islamic imperialists. That can't change until there is a grass roots movement based on joining the Western (and every other world but Islam) values (if they expect US support).
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
seems like you have a paid job here. if not and you are on a "mission"- no need to worry - people who think similar to you are the majority, otherwise there would be justice in the world. Thanks for posting the videos. never mind my comment. (i agree that nobody is free in their opinion) If only Palestine will be free and it's own state some day - and goes to court - than will just see, what evidence will they bring. court belongs to democracy, right? nothing will change
vovagusev 5 months ago
wow. she did not understand anything. Israelis must be heavily brainwashed.
this poor Jewish woman has made a fool of herself (frankly, painful to watch). but i don't think she can be aware of it. feels like: there are these people who are suffering suffering suffering with no hope. they are against these bigotry and bullying.
how can there be understanding?
The well fed cannot understand the hungry.
i hope she'll go and live in west bank for awhile. and opens her eyes.
vovagusev 5 months ago
@vovagusev "wow. she did not understand anything. Israelis must be heavily brainwashed"
I find that interesting how you think you have better insight than she does? Did it ever occur to you that these "refugees" are being lied to? Did you see any evidence of these complaints they spoke about? They speak in a collective voice, and they testify to things they believe are happening, in a context of having completely delusional images of what the rest of the world really is like.
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constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@vovagusev "wow. she did not understand anything. Israelis must be heavily brainwashed"
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I therefore suggest that you are brainwashed in to believing something with no evidence at all. You naturally believe the people who live in a closed community with no access to a free press, who don't even understand what democracy is. This is not their fault, THEY are brainwashed. Ever hear of the "Arab Spring?" Just because they stand up to demand something, doesn't mean they aren't delusional.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@vovagusev 'this poor Jewish woman has made a fool of herself (frankly, painful to watch)"
No, the mainstream media & film editors did that, yee with little imagination or sense. I find it amazing how insanely cruel & casually people insult a women who lost a daughter at the very moment of becoming a women, and you identify with the murderer's mother instead, who whines endlessly about entitlements and Allah's need to kill Jews.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@vovagusev "but i don't think she can be aware of it. feels like:"
Of course you have more insight than her. Of course! You're the genius who spent what, 2 entire hours watching, contemplating and then scribbling a few impulsive words on the web the way people blow their noses, with the same amount of consideration.
"there are these people who are suffering suffering suffering with no hope. they are against these bigotry and bullying"
Huh? What does that mean?
how can there be understanding?
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@v "how can there be understanding?"
1) You have to care enough to find out enough of the facts, making sure you aren't swallowing propaganda.
2) Then you have to get involved and make sure that our elected officials truly understand the difference between a global theocracy and Western liberal democracy.
It may sound simple, but you've got to do it daily.
"The well fed cannot understand the hungry"
Interesting analogy since none of them looked like Jews in the holocaust. Do you wonder why?
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@vovagusev "The well fed cannot understand the hungry"
I really like your analogy, because it is a great visual representation that parallels all of their complaints. I can show you video of a Palestinian radio broadcaster who in 1998 confessed to broadcasting lies about a suppose "massacre" & admitting it was his biggest mistake "akbar" but then in a BBC interview denied ANY responsibility for Arab Flight in 1948, because it (the lie) was not specifically raised in that conversation.
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constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@vovagusev "The well fed cannot understand the hungry"
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So do pay attention to the claims & look for evidence. There was no evidence whatsoever. Did you not hear the sister saying she would kill 30 Jews to retaliate for her sister killing 1? Hello? Did you know that every statement in the last will video was based on lies told to Palestinians by the propaganda hacks? We have media watch, & I'm already familiar with those lies about "Al Aqsa" etc. They lie to incite murder, & it works.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@rakuu "Its hard to be desent man and zionist"
One has to be decent person himself to broadcast such an opinion that anyone cares about. You already have revealed you don't quality in that regard. You're an atrocious zealot who believes Islamic imperialist lies.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
This is directed at only 2 users, but as a principal, I don't want to make anyone think I need to silence any statements, but if I nor nobody else can't figure out your point, I need to remove your web-version of a filibusterer to prevent you from filling up this page with apparently meaningless statements. I will start deleting anything that is not articulated at least clearly enough for me or someone (anyone!) to read it and understand what the point is.
Thanks
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
Something else I want to point out about this film is the difference in how Ayats mother acts when she is being interviewed by herself and when shes interviewed with her husband present, Ive noticed this change in personality in lots of muslim women!
roliver31483 5 months ago
Yep...watching it again! lol....Something else strange to me is Ayats little sister...Shes so upset that her sister is dead, her sister killed a jew, which is the point of the whole thing...so ayats sister gets really upset and wants to kill 30 to avenge the death of her sister fulfilling her mission?? God this doesnt make any sense...Who is she mad at?? she acts like shes mad at the radicals yet she wants to be a radical to make a statement about her radical sister having to die??? confused...
roliver31483 5 months ago
israelis disgust me...
hodan889 5 months ago
@hodan
Lies about Israelis disgust you. I pity anyone that is so easily manipulated without any evidence. Decent people really have a huge job getting through to people like you. Can you possibly accept that maybe the Palestinians have been lied to? Can you conceive that having murderers programmed from birth with lies, that checkpoints and security is the only thing keeping the nation from being shut down by terrorists and the poor people they manipulate?
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@constructivereconcil
the evidence is there. israelis are doing what has been done to the jews in Europe. The victims are turning in to the oppressers. I stated that israelis disgust me not jews because they're many jews standing up against what their government is doing and against what the fundamentalis jews are doing. by the rachel's mother was concerned about her daughter doesn't she realize that from palestinian side 1 child isn't a big deal. They lose children everyday , thats their life
hodan889 5 months ago
@hodan "the evidence is there. israelis are doing what has been done to the jews in Europe"
That is the opening line of a statement. If you can't finish that statement with reference to the evidence, then you're simply causing problems by making assumptions that historically have incited many murders...not something to take lightly.
"I stated that israelis disgust me not jews because they're many jews standing up against what their government is doing"
Alleged, asshole. Alleged. Show me.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@hodan
"rachel's mother was concerned about her daughter doesn't she realize that from palestinian side 1 child isn't a big deal. They lose children everyday , thats their life"
Nobody questions the poignancy of the narratives, they question lives or dies on whether it's true. When the evidence shows that Hamas et. al. have been running an orchestrated Islamic imperialist campaign, that makes you & a sellout dupe.
What do you gain? Following your gut-instinct like Oprah taught you to?
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@hodan "Rachel's mother was concerned about her daughter doesn't she realize that from palestinian side 1 child isn't a big deal. They lose children everyday , thats their life"
What the film did not reveal is that Rachel's mother (who was not editor or did she have any control over what they did or did not reveal to the audience) knows that all of those claims are lies. That is the point. That is why this movie is sensational & could be crucial to show empathy in layers for both sides.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@hodan889 Trust me the feeling is mutual, jerk!
roliver31483 5 months ago
@roliver31483
ur so pathetic ! u expect palestinian to care about one israeli child when they lose their own children everyday ?? when soldiers kills palestinian children it's not terrorism the victims are just casulties because they wearing a uniform it makes it alright ! Get real u jerk ! I dont have to be palestinian nor arab to realize what their doing is disgusting u asshole ! jews are no better humans than the rest they should get over their selves and stop superiority complex !
hodan889 5 months ago
@hodan889 I care about both sides 'casualties" which is alot better than being one sided like you! you need to wake up and see whats really going on! And coming down on one side makes you no better than what your pointing your finger at!! you wanna point your finger at me??? well I'll point your finger towards the mirror!!
roliver31483 5 months ago
@hodan "ur so pathetic ! u expect palestinian to care about one israeli child when they lose their own children everyday ?"
You personally disgust me. Even if you don't know what Rachel' mom knows about the lies of the Palestinians, you expect more victims to show empathy for those who murder them just because they are supposedly worse victims somehow? Who is the victim here? We only KNOW that Rachel was murdered. The rest is conjecture. We only know for sure what we were told by the murderer.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@hodan
"when soldiers kills palestinian children it's not terrorism the victims are just casulties because they wearing a uniform it makes it alright"
Even in your best effort to twist the facts, even if they weren't lying (which they are) but we KNOW for 100% without question that Palestinian deliberately choose targets to show they can kill anyone, and will not compromise. There is no central authority to even surrender to. They threaten genocide literally, & admit they target babies..
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constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@hodan889 "when soldiers kills palestinian children it's not terrorism the victims are just casulties because they wearing a uniform it makes it alright"
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Even in your best effort to twist the facts;
w/out question Palestinians deliberately choose targets to show they can kill anyone, threaten literal genocide & admit they target babies & mutilate corpses. You personally are disgusting. Israel follows command structure, due process & warns civilian populations before military actions.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@hodan889
You are disgusting.
The final point I will make is that in spite of Israeli warning civilians, they have NO obligation to do this because it is standard operating procedures for male Jihadis to not just refuse to wear a uniform (which you seem to think is not important, shows you have no comprehension of justice, though I'm not surprised) but they actual exploit the Islamic dress mode for women, which many are convinced is the sole reason to force this dress mode on Islamic women.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@hodan889 "because they wearing a uniform it makes it alright"
It's much more complex than that, but that is certainly a huge part, legal conduct of war against criminal terrorists. You don't even understand what that means. You just suck up Islamic and left-wing propaganda authored by the Soviets and fed to the dupes of the West years ago, still recycled to this day...
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@hodan889 "because they wearing a uniform it makes it alright"
Is that the only difference you are aware of? Perhaps you can explain more completely your position? Why not take this chance to educate us on the issues of why Palestinian terrorist organizations are considered to be morally equal to a military that is ruled by a democratic republic that honors human rights as much as any other nation in history even to terrorists in as far as practical.
Please educate me.
I'll be waiting.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@hodan889 "I dont have to be palestinian nor arab to realize what their doing is disgusting u asshole"
Which is? Please tell me what disgusts you in enough context for us to know why Palestinian terrorists driven by a promise to complete the holocaust (after fighting with Hitler, the same exact people who lead the PA today). Did you know that Arafat changed his name from Husseini and was literally raised by the Mufti during the Mufti's alliance with Hitler? Arafat could have even met Hitler.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@hodan889 "Get real u jerk !"
Help me. I must be ignorant, because from the information I have, it makes you look like the a-hole, jerk dupe disgusting moron, but I may be missing some crucial evidence you uncovered to show why terrorists should be considered = or even morally superior to Israel? I don't see you calling Palestinian murders assholes, the BEST you can come up with is making them = (with no reason to) but then you call the Israelis assholes while kissing terrorists asses?
WTF?
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@hodan
"jews are no better humans than the rest they should get over their selves and stop superiority complex"
They're NOT superior as people, they have a vastly SUPERIOR MORAL POSITION. Let me ask you this; is it possible that some actions are immoral? Is is possible that comparing actions, that some might be deemed morally superior? Walking the dog vs. stepping on a squirrel? SOME times it's hard to choose who, but not in this case. Islamic imperialism & lies are driving Palestinians.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@hodan889 "! jews are no better humans than the rest they should get over their selves and stop superiority complex"
Thank you for so brilliantly exposing the weakness of your purely emotional acceptance of Palestinian Islamic propaganda. You must be in your 20s and attended a university that went amok with "Israel Apartheid week" lies.
You're now a fully fledged fascist.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@constructivereconcil
Palestinian islamic propaganda ?? How about zionist propaganda ? Palestinians had their lands taken from ? u wanna talk about legalty ? israelis should have settlements in gaza nor in the west bank it's against international law but they still do it ? why because they have inconditionnel support from the US ! each time the US put their veto ! As for u you zionist imbecil, keep on bullying around anyone gives an opinion or even remotly tris to defend the palestinans
hodan889 5 months ago
@hodan "Palestinian islamic propaganda ?? How about zionist propaganda"
Oh my gosh. I'll tell you what, let's tackle the events one at a time and see where the evidence leads, ok?
"Palestinians had their lands taken from ?"
Wrong. What land? When? Who owned it? Please be specific. Thanks.
"u wanna talk about legalty"
Yes please. Specific facts, not generic presumptions inferred from propaganda.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@hodan "israelis should have settlements in gaza nor in the west bank it's against international law but they still do it"
You're incorrect. I understand the confusion because there are lots of people who have been threatened by Islamic imperialists, so they repeat certain claims that are not true.
Who is the sovereign in Gaza? How about the West Bank, same question? Who is the sovereign?
Or are you talking about stolen personal real property? Which is it? I'm sure you must know...
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@constructivereconcil
Jewish historians such Ilan Pappe and avi shlaim have working to get the truth out. Such as the myth that Palestine was territory without any people, who is the sovereign in Gaza or the West bank should i respond israel ??? Israel who was these population under occupation worse than apartheid i guess that you would have support that as well, palestinians were expelled from their homes and refused to return whereas any jew from europe or morocco or ethiopia could enter
hodan889 5 months ago
@hodan889 "Jewish historians such Ilan Pappe and avi shlaim have working to get the truth out"
Let me explain something from the conversation with the other idiot of the day; there are liberals who follow "comparative religion" & use that theory to calculate that there's no objective truth & all people have various but equal moral codes. From that context, anyone suffering is always morally correct. Once you factor in that the Palestinians cause their own suffering, the liberal logic fails.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@hodan889 "Jewish historians such Ilan Pappe and avi shlaim have working to get the truth out"
I agree; they mean well, but by following false theories of moral equivalence, they destroy the morally superior position of the West by failing to factor in the Palestinian culture of hatred & collectivism, by refusing to accept that Islam can be used as a tool for wicked unjust hatred. In short; if Islam is morally equal, so is Nazism. Seriously. If nothing can be immoral, neither was the holocaust.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@hodan "Jewish historians such Ilan Pappe and avi shlaim have working to get the truth out"
Here's my answer to the question, why do I call people names? Because I need to discern between legitimate positions & hateful stupidity. This question is legitimate. It's not stupid to believe liberals. Some people may have lives that never reveal any reason to question moral equivalence. I live in California, & there seriously are communities where you'd never question it. Move to Ca. but don't vote.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@hodan889 "...the truth out. Such as the myth that Palestine was territory without any people"
I dont' know precisely who accepts what myths, but I focus on salients. After 6 decades and counting, why screw with non-issues like what people think about demographics that can be argued both ways, when it's completely moot?
Who cares either way? It distracts from the salient issues of justice. Justice was not impeded by Zionism, justice was corrected. Individual (in)justice is a court matter.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@hodan889 "who is the sovereign in Gaza or the West bank should i respond israel ??"
Respond with your belief.
"Israel who was these population under occupation worse than apartheid"
Here is where you totally lost it. That is so stupid. You have to use stupid irrational characterizations when you started rationally? Can you remove emotional claims? If not, being part-rational is moot if you reserve the right to insert your little irrational shit-fits to get your way in the end irregardless.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@constructivereconcil ur incapable of giving me a straight response u call facts emotional lies just pathetic historian like ilan pappe and avi shlaim have been telling the truth, go and check them out u definately will like what they have to say
anyways done with u there's no hope for people like yourself
hodan889 5 months ago
@hodan "anyways done with u there's no hope for people like yourself"
People are killed every day over the incitement you spread like salt over icy roads. You may have blood on your hands, and all you care about is throwing around tiz-fits when your sarcasm runs out. Maybe you need to lose a family member for you to take incitement more seriously. You literally may have incited murder on a daily basis, & you don't care.
YOU DON"T CARE about anything but your little ego. You are so typical.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@hodan "anyways done with u there's no hope for people like yourself"
Mission accomplished, given how you started the entire conversation with "Israelis make me sick." That's a cry for help. You only care about yourself, you chose Israel to demonize not because you care about Palestinians but you needed a scapegoat.
The reason my mission was accomplished is that if I can take someone like you & show the truth, great. If not, you'll at least think twice before spewing your mindless crap again.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@h "Israel who was these population under occupation worse than apartheid...yada yada...palestinians were expelled from their homes and refused to return whereas any jew from europe or morocco or ethiopia could enter"
Since you put it like that, you have no right to complain about propaganda because you use your own too. Is that what you want? There's no such thing as partly rational. As soon as you inject your own emotional garbage based on lies, you've left the zone of rational positions.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@hodan889 "palestinians were expelled from their homes and refused to return whereas any jew from europe or morocco or ethiopia could enter"
Over 6 decades, you'd have this in any nation. People were not ejected from their homes, people lost their homes after using them to besiege Jerusalem. This was a war they started & then lost. In this case, justice was served writ-large (collectively), but as I say, individual justice should be pursued in the courts. Israel is a liberal democracy etc.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@h "palestinians were expelled from their homes and refused to return...any jew from europe or morocco or ethiopia could enter"
There're millions of Arab-Muslim Israeli citizens, proving it wasn't at all based on bigotry. Those Arab Muslims not involved in the internal war-making ("5th column") were full citizens from the start.
The *distinction in their fate*
is how they aligned their interests &
*actions*
when Arab Muslims started the war (with others here & there).
Justice was served.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
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What land was taken ? Palestine u dumb fuck? who owned Palestinians , or was the jews that were fleewing from Europe after the holocaust ??? was it them who owned the land ??your turn please be specific . by the way u have nothing to teach like u know some hidden truth. the occupation is there the death toll is there everything is cristal clear, what i see that economic power and military power triumph justice. jimmy carter should be executed for treason, why
hodan889 5 months ago
@hodan "What land was taken ? Palestine u dumb fuck?"
So you must believe that the presence of any Jew in that region is a failure to achieve a "Jew free" nation & a crime against the Arab Muslim uma? I thought you were posing at a pro-democracy Westerner? Or maybe I am stupid & I just don't get it like you do. Palestine was a unified (land) property of who? Who lost Palestine? When was it lost, on Nakba Day? The possibility still exists that 1 of us IS a dumbfuck, & it still might be you.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@hodan "who owned Palestinians , or was the jews that were fleewing from Europe after the holocaust ? was it them who owned the land ?"
No.
"your turn please be specific"
Sure. It was the unified Ottoman Empire until Britain et al terminated their sovereignty & divided it based on "national identity" & self-rule based on approximate previous ethnicities, trying to preserve as best as possible the local majorities. If they failed (which they did), the Jews were the primary victims.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@hodan889 "by the way u have nothing to teach like u know some hidden truth"
Then how is it that you didn't even know the sovereignty of Israel before the Jewish nation was reestablished?
"the occupation is there the death toll is there everything is cristal clear"
Some things are clear, while most of the salient points are CLEARLY misunderstood, you're absolute proof of that. You've just testified to your own ignorance.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@hodan889 "what i see that economic power and military power triumph justice"
Often justice does win these days, at least we try harder than any other generation. Can you show me any time in history when there was more justice (if one can offer opinions on justice, surely this question is relevant discernible, if not, then all attempts at discernment are pointless)?
By the way, whose standards of morality are you even using? You don't even know 'the gifts of the Jews.'
Ignorance everywhere...
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@hodan889 "jimmy carter should be executed for treason, why"
His treasonous actions have been helping to incite murder daily for decades now. He had no right to try to finish a presidential term he was fired from, yet he inserts his "presidential" power internationally that was not given to him. The laws need to be changed so that it is clear how unjust his actions have been.
It's outrageous, & It's ego-maniacal, & pure Machiavellian politics funded by Saudi Islamists.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
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Jimmy carter was an israeli prime minister ? treason to whom? israel? lool i didnt know that israel govern the states as well loool i guess that explains alot AIPAC does have to appouve everthing that the us government and congress does in the middle east. israeli settlements in gaza and the west bank are illegal under international check the facts u ignorant . ur a waste of time anyway , keep ignoring real facts, it's all based on a "Promise" right ?? Asshole
hodan889 5 months ago
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@hodan "why because they have inconditionnel support from the US"
Well, yeah because every damn congressman and senator knows the difference between propaganda and the actual law & path to justice. We have bent over backwards for Palestine because of nuisance value. Jimmy Carter should be executed for treason, his manipulation in normalizing Yasser Arafat, the unrepentant terrorist who followed Mafia style government, just another criminal. Is that the fault of the US, that Arafat was trusted?
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@hodan889 "As for u you zionist imbecil, keep on bullying around anyone gives an opinion or even remotly tris to defend the palestinans"
If you care so much about the Palestinians as people, why not help them become liberated rather than trying to threaten death to everyone wanting to have Israel live in peace? You can't properly defend anyone with lies.
Maybe you simply don't know they are lies, so I am your new best friend. I will help you help them. That is what I'd like to do.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@hodan "Palestinian islamic propaganda ?? How about zionist propaganda ?"
Anyone can call anything propaganda, it's not that meaningful, but a clue to those who care about evidence, to remember to look for it and not to accept something that may have origins in a 14 century old theocracy hostile explicitly to Christians and Jews, that considers all "Europeans" either Christian, Jew or other by "race."
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
So sad....Rachels mother isn't listening to Ayats mother. Not that I blame her, but its hard to see it from Ayats mothers perspective. I feel sorriest for Ayats parents
LasBrisas1979 5 months ago
@LasBrisas1979
Why? It's a different kind of burden I guess. I don't think I could quantify pity for such pain. Why would you think you could? I really would like to hear your thoughts, maybe you'll convince me. That's the reason I uploaded this film. I was originally going to start much later, but I had to get this and a few other films out here.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@constructivereconcil I feel such pity for Palestine and its people. I feel like Rachel's mother keeps dismissing the conditions under which they are forced to live in, almost rolling her eyes. I also believe that Ayats mother truly thinks what her daughter did was wrong. She must feel guilt on top of losing a daughter, she has to live with the fact that her daughter deliberately killed someone else's daughter. That must be a whole different realm of pain.
LasBrisas1979 5 months ago
@LasBrisas1979 "I feel like Rachel's mother keeps dismissing the conditions"
My jaw is dropping. Did you not see where they were? Did it look like the Muslims lived any different than the Jews? I saw NOTHING different. Nothing. Just lies & attitude. BUT they are locked in by their Arab Muslims leaders, not the Jews. The Israelis need to secure their nation. Period. Any sane person can see, hello? Watch the film & please show me how one can *wax a luxury car* while calling his life "oppressed."
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@LasBrisas1979 "I feel like Rachel's mother keeps dismissing the conditions
Exactly, & the question is, IF the Israelis are truly acting like Nazis but hiding it from the cameras somehow, then OK, I might want to know more. But if as I already know, the complaints are purely skutttlebut, every complaint they stated was false (but they may not have known this)...They must imagine the rest of the world lives like what? They lived exactly alike. Nobody there was oppressed. Lies, lies & more lies.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@LasBrisas1979 "I also believe that Ayats mother truly thinks what her daughter did was wrong"
If she did it was thanks to the courage of Rachel's mother to confront her with the truth. You're welcome, psychos.
"she has to live with the fact that her daughter deliberately killed someone else's daughter"
Again, only Rachel's mother can be thanked for pursuing the truth in all of this.
"almost rolling her eyes"
As were all those who understand the truth, me included. It's why I uploaded it.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@constructivereconcil I don't understand how you can "almost roll your eyes" at an entire population of people who are oppressed to the point of disparity, your daughter blows herself up. Don't get me wrong, in no way do I support or commend such actions. I can merely see beyond my own selfishness to the reality that Israeli government is doing the same damn thing on a slower scale to the Palestinians that the Nazis did to them in the Holocaust. Its hypocrisy at its best.
LasBrisas1979 5 months ago
@LasBrisas
"I don't understand how you can "almost roll your eyes" at an entire population of people who are oppressed to the point of disparity"
I know you don't understand. That is why I try to explain. Let's try again; all of their claims are either 100% fiction, or distorted to remove the true identity of the guilty party, not to mention the fact that you see in the video their standard of living as they describe supposed "Nazi Israelis?" Where are they? We can't ever see it! Why?
Hello?
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@LasBrisas
"oppressed to the point of disparity"
I would laugh at that line, but the sadness prevents me. It's always complete nonsense. Ever notice that? Clearly not. I'll tell you what, you sit through "Road to Jenin" and tell me that none of those "Palestinians" are liars. Almost ever claim is proved to be a lie. So, they have a record of lying completely over everything.
It's so obvious that it goes right over your head.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@LasBrisas1979
"Don't get me wrong, in no way do I support or commend such actions"
Lip service. You DO support their excuses. That's support! Hello? All those people support the attacks. Every last one of them. Simply inserting a throw away line like that is simply evidence that you have flawed reasoning, nothing more. Stupid is as stupid does. I can say I "condemn" murder verbally while pulling a trigger that kills people. Which fact is more germane to the question? My words or my actions?
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@LasBrisas
"I can merely see beyond my own selfishness to the reality that Israeli government is doing the same damn thing on a slower scale to the Palestinians that the Nazis did to them in the Holocaust"
Would you agree that it matters whether or not what you say is true?
Yes or no? Does it matter whether it is true, or is your "feeling" about this statement all that matters?
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@LasBrisas1979
"Its hypocrisy at its best"
We'll see about who the hypocrite is.
Ever hear of "due process?"
What makes me puke every day is people like you who pontificate as though you care about the Palestinians. You care as much about them as a medical doctor who refuses to examine his patients but still hands out medicine based on the rumor of the disease cares about the people he supposedly helps.
Thanks for nothing. Strike that. Thanks for helping make everything infinitely worse.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@constructivereconcil You attack me because I feel pity for someone? What makes ME puke, is people like YOU who propagate anger toward another group with the close minded view that YOU are right and THEY are wrong. Your "doctor" analogy is totally off base, but there YOU are telling ME my views because again, YOU are right and I am wrong.
LasBrisas1979 5 months ago
@LasBrisas1979 "You attack me because I feel pity for someone?"
I don't attack your pity, you fool. Do you intentionally deceive, or are you deceived yourself?
"What makes ME puke, is people like YOU who propagate anger toward another group with the close minded view that YOU are right and THEY are wrong"
Let me ask you this. Do you deny that some facts are provable as being correct, or do you subscribe to the false belief that there are no absolute truths at all? Explain quantum mechanics.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@LasBrisas1979 "Your "doctor" analogy is totally off base"
Easy enough to say, now show me your evidence. What is your rationale?
"but there YOU are telling ME my views because again"
No, I explained the implications of your beliefs, not what they are. Do you understand the difference? Use a dictionary and take as much time as you need. I want to hear your best arguments. Convince me that you're correct, and win me over. Please? Show me you are correct. Take as much time as you need.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@LasBrisas1979 "because again, YOU are right and I am wrong"
Is it possible that you are wrong? Do you concede ANY possibility that some facts might be provable or disprovable? Does your whiny sarcasm have a confession, or an illogical stubborn belief that it's not even possible you're wrong?
Hiding behind sarcasm is exactly why disputes carry on for generations, denying the use of reason to end arguments rationally & peacefully. You foment war unknowingly, like so many others. It's very sad.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@constructivereconcil CONT... Pretty soon you will be strapping on a bomb and walking into a market place and blowing yourself up because YOU are right and THEY are wrong. Your parents must be proud to have raised such an open minded and caring human being.
LasBrisas1979 5 months ago
@LasBrisas "soon you will be strapping on a bomb and walking into a market place and blowing yourself up because YOU are right and THEY are wrong"
You need to read "Animal Farm" because you use totalitarian tyranny, 180 degrees from the truth. I exhort w words to seek an objective truth that is independent of my opinions, while you support irrational religious lies without ever considering that reason can be used to seek justice peacefully. Here I am trying to use reason, yet you denounce me.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@LasBrisas "Your parents must be proud to have raised such an open minded and caring human being"
My parents are blind illogical liberals just like you. I had to discover the truth, while they kept their noses buried in liberal hypocrisy, working for pure capitalism while denouncing other capitalists who disagreed with their purely emotionally derived opinions. I am the only one that volunteers my time for works that benefit others. You are very much like them, the blind fools.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@LasBrisas1979 "Pretty soon you will be strapping on a bomb and walking into a market place and blowing yourself up because YOU are right and THEY are wrong"
It's pitiful how radical your views are, totally blinding you to any objectivity. You might even learn on your own how stupid your opinions are, completely derived from emotional Oprah-logic. You must have loved "The Secret." Those who argue with you are evil. Right? You equate my exhortations to examine objective facts with terrorism!
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
ISRAEL+PALESTINE, ONE STATE!!! SECULAR, DEMOCRATIC, PLURALIST WELFARE STATE WITH PERMANENT GOVERNMENT REPRESENTATIVES FROM UN, HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH, TRANSPARENCY INTERNATIONAL AND OTHER NEUTRAL MONITORS, THAT IS THE SOLUTION.
ravenlord06 6 months ago
@ravenlord06 You are missing some details, but yes it is possible when the Western voters have a coherent plan and demand from our leaders decisive actions in spite of the risk that in suggesting the plans they may offend some Muslims temporarily.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@constructivereconcil western "voters" cannot vote on anything regarding Israel because their governments because they are never given the CHOICE to vote even though they're supposed to be living in DEMOCRACIES, most western voters, given the choice, would not spare a dollar in the aid of Israel, those dollars are needed to fix crumbling infrastructure, improve education and healthcare and boost the economies of the US and Europe.
ravenlord06 5 months ago
@ravenlord06 "western "voters" cannot vote on anything regarding Israel because their governments because they are never given the CHOICE to vote"
You don't elect your representatives, or the representatives are violating the will of their constituents? What precisely is your accusation? I've heard lots of stupid ones, but maybe you can surprise me.
"most western voters, given the choice, would not spare a dollar in the aid of Israel"
That's obviously not true. Typical internet bubble.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@ravenlord
"those dollars are needed to fix crumbling infrastructure, improve education and healthcare and boost the economies of the US and Europe"
Mr. Lord of Ravens,
You've simply used an overly simplified argument that's not held in agreement by the majority. Follow due process, something we have in common with Israel, in conflict w Islam: Due process.
Budgets are far more complex than cutting of aid to an ally. It is also deceptive, because cutting their aid could cause you to lose.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
"those dollars are needed to fix crumbling infrastructure, improve education and healthcare and boost the economies of the US and Europe"
Mr. Raven,
Point #2 is why does Europe place higher on your priorities than Israel? You are foolish, and possibly unaware of your own anti-Jewish bias. By definition, people are never aware of their bias. You've reacted to emotional arguments that use lies of omission and naivete to attack legitimate expenditures, most of which are used to buy US products.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@constructivereconcil As a general principle, countries should not interfere in the affairs of other countries especially in such a controversial conflict such as the Israeli-Palestinean one. The Arabs need to grow some balls and dig themselves out of the holes they have allowed Britain/US to dig for them through colonialism and neo-colonialism. All stolen land should be returned to the Palestineans, the BIble cannot be used as a "land deed".
ravenlord06 5 months ago
@ravenlord "As a general principle, countries should not interfere in the affairs of other countries"
Sure.
"especially in such a controversial conflict such as the Israeli-Palestinean one"
Sure, after 6+ decades, now you want to pretend we aren't involved? We are the ones who pressured & promised Israel to take a chance on peace with Arafat, we guaranteed their security for risking the creation of the PA but NOW is when you find it convenient to pretend none of it every happened?
LOL!
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@ravenlord
"The Arabs need to grow some balls and dig themselves out of the holes they have allowed Britain/US to dig for them through colonialism and neo-colonialism"
Oh brother. You are completely biased against the facts. You may think you 'love America" but you don't actually understand liberal democracy, nor do you understand the problems we helped create already. Do we keep our principals or not?
Yes or no?
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@ravenlord06 "All stolen land should be returned to the Palestineans"
People like you make me so angry. You act principled & then use presumptuous statements like this? What if there was no "stolen land?" You are a victim of Islamic imperialist propaganda, and I probably correctly detect an affinity for believing the hard left activists and their lies fed to them by the same Islamic imperialist.
Islamic victims of colonialism? It's so pathetic, I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@ravenlord
"All stolen land should be returned to the Palestineans"
Just to be crystal clear, no land was stolen. The rhetorical statements are referring to sovereignty. Some land was forfeited and reused when Arab Muslim 5th columns rose up in their siege of Jerusalem. Weeks later, the Israelis finally reacted with force to break the seige, and the "Arab Flight' was caused by Dr. Khalidi's own lies about Deir Yassin, broadcast by Hazem Nusseibeh of the Palestine Broadcasting Service.
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constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@ravenlord 2/3
"All stolen land should be returned to the Palestineans"
No land was stolen. Arab Muslims rose up against Israeli Jews, trying to cut supplies for Jerusalem. Actual Arab flight was caused by their own lies.
Hazem Nusseibeh - Palestine Broadcasting Service: "I asked Dr Khalidi how we should cover the story. He said, 'We must make the most of this.' So he wrote a press release stating that at Deir Yassin, children were murdered, pregnant women were raped, all sorts of atrocities."
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@ravenlord "All stolen land should be returned to the Palestineans"
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Hazem Nusseibeh - Palestine Broadcasting Service: (Referring to the lies authored by Dr. Khalidi about a supposed massacre at Deir Yassin) "This was our biggest mistake. We did not realize how our people would react. As soon as they heard that women had been raped at Deir Yassin, Palestinians fled in terror. They ran away from all our villages."
Some innocent individuals were hurt by collective action of the Palestinians.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@ravenlord
"the BIble cannot be used as a "land deed".
I've never heard anyone say so literally. You just can't discern between rhetoric and serious positions people take. Look at it this way, the Bible teaches the ten commandments. It doesn't say you can steal anything. Nothing was stolen. You accepted lies authored originally by Islamic imperialists, repeated by fools & anti-Semites.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@ravenlord06 "Youth ages, immaturity is outgrown, ignorance can be educated, and drunkenness sobered, but STUPID lasts forever."
roliver31483 5 months ago
@roliver31483 I know that saying and its "STUPIDITY" and not "STUPID lasts forever" as you put it. You may want to work on the 3 following areas: english grammar, your honesty and logic.
ravenlord06 5 months ago
@ravenlord06 If i wanted to say "stupidity" and refer to stupidity as a whole then I would have, but I was directing that statement towards you only so the singular form is correct.....My english and grammar may need work, Im not going to say that it doesnt, but my honesty and logic is right on, its so funny to me that all you can do is attack grammar, you dont even realize that "stupid" doesnt necessarily mean someone who isnt booksmart! Your take on everything reveals your closemindedness:(
roliver31483 5 months ago
@ravenlord
I thought you'd be busy worrying about your own.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@constructivereconcil The Arab girl interviewed in the prison wanted all non-Palestinean Jews to return back to their respective countries. As a muslim, I do not agree with that because those countries, Russia, Iraq, etc are all racist against jews. Jews and Muslims should be accommodated in one state with FULL RIGHTS for all. All stolen land should be returned. Theft, colonialism, murder, violence, all these things are not allowed in Judaism, Christianity and Islam.
ravenlord06 5 months ago
@ravenlord06 ohh excuse me Russia was ruled by Jews since 1917 Trocky,Lenin, Uljanov, Kaganovich, Jaghoda, Lipman, Stolcman etc But the result of there "rules" are more then 50 mln skulls and bones spread from Odra up too Wladywostock. Besides ever heard of Lavon affair? How Mossad used terror in Cairo and Alexandria in 1950s to make Egyptian Jews expulsion. Besides "mizrachi" were called as "monkeys" and holocaust survavoirs were nicknamed as "soaps". Its hard to be desent man and zionist.
rakuuu85 5 months ago
@rakuuu "ohh excuse me Russia was ruled by Jews since 1917"
You're a friggin
"ever heard of Lavon affair? How Mossad used terror in Cairo and Alexandria in 1950s"
LOL I love when you idiots find criminals that are punished, who out of desperation drop for one moment to the level of the absolute mode of operation of the enemies, he stupidly lowered himself and you present that as evidence? The exception that proves the rule, because it was exceptional. No injuries. Some terror.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@constructivereconcil first of all I am not muslim, I am chrisitan and I realy care about it as part of world heritage. You wanna critiseze islam? Welcome do so, but I suppose you havent been to any muslim/arab states, and for sure you havent been to any arab homes, and your knowlege begins and ends on the "movies" which are made by certain political benefits. Micheal Oren that israeli Geobbels is authority for you? Cuz why, he is good lookin? Ever read his book about six day war?
rakuuu85 5 months ago
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@rakuuu85 "Micheal Oren that israeli Geobbels is authority for you?"
Try to form a clear statement again.
"Cuz why, he is good lookin? Ever read his book about six day war?"
Yes, I own it.
And?
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@rakuuu85 Well I have been personally to these places and Im saying 'ISLAM DEFINITELY DESERVES CRITICISM!!" and regardless of if "stolen" land was returned they would still come after christians and jews due to the fact they are commanded to do so....they would just find a different excuse and its more than time FOR IT TO STOP!!!
roliver31483 5 months ago
@roliver31483 so critisize islam, you are welcomed, but do it in a creative and realistic way- for example which hadis from kitab as sitta is tell what to do etc. Speaking that islam is bad, cuz its bad show just poor intelectual abilities, and belive me am not pro islamic, opposit, I am rather againt it, but from those comentaries and movies lie and ignorance burst out in the face. "dark ages" are on both sides, with the difference, that I do care what theroeticly things and speaks
rakuuu85 5 months ago
@rakuuu "so critisize islam, you are welcomed, but do it in a creative and realistic way"
You don't care about facts. You have no right to make such self righteous claims after trying to ram down all the lies on these pages.
"Speaking that islam is bad, cuz its bad"
You're quite delusional. Islam is bad because it lies about Jews, & uses those lies to kill every day since Mohammed was alive. That's not "bad because I don't like it."
There's certainly evil everywhere, but that's no defense.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@rakuuu85 This video is the most realistic I have seen by far!! The honesty in it is astounding! The only 'lies' in this documentary are coming from the palestinian side...I honestly am way to busy to sit here and argue with you, I have a ton of work to do, so until you actually come up with some cold hard facts that can back you up, dont bother replying!
roliver31483 5 months ago
@roliver31483 And before you criticize someone elses grammar, I would take a long hard look at your own grammar, I could barely read what you wrote!
roliver31483 5 months ago
@roliver31483 well the times of "colonial" authorities are over you know. Its not enough to say I HAD BEEN TO,,, and I say definetly that etc etc. Tourism busness its just bussness. For instance I been couple of times in Iran, do I go to publisher or on the web listen dudes I been to so I know here its my revelation of reality there. Nope, cuz as an antropologist I know that to "be sure" of other cultures just doesnt exist cuz of phiolosopical critique. Therefore to KNOW somethin and to think
rakuuu85 5 months ago
@roliver31483 I know its two totaly different issues, which frankly ought to told by parents in the young age. You wanna critisize islam? Oki. But islam where? In Algeria in Bosnia in Turkiestan or Tatars livin in eastern Poland? Ahlan we sahlan, but to do so, you must be ignorant cuz at least those 4 countries have totaly different tradition, culture and heritage, which to at least get somehow familiar takes sometimes whole life. So go for it
rakuuu85 5 months ago
@rakuuu
"You wanna critisize islam? Oki. But islam where? In Algeria in Bosnia in Turkiestan or Tatars livin in eastern Poland? Ahlan we sahlan, but to do so, you must be ignorant cuz at least those 4 countries have totaly different tradition"
Do you want to rephrase that? Can you spot your own flawed thinking?
"So go for it"
Lose an argument, turn your head & start spewing more lies without answering for your earlier stupid remarks? What audacity, and undeserved.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@rakuuu
Sir,
It's entirely possible that you truly don't understand what I have tried to show you. You seem to have your own dissertations with so much confidence that it makes sense, it makes me wonder if the language barrier makes my statements seem irrational to you. So here I am saying that you really need to check your positions and see if you can discover your own flaws. You don't owe me anything really, but for your own good, please consider my advice for your own good.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@rakuuu
"first of all I am not muslim"
I really don't know why you had to say that. You make it sound like you have to clarify after I made some accusation. What is your point? And since you decided to state this, what is your definition of a Christian? How did you conclude that you are one?
You don't owe me any explanation, but since you brought it up, I am wondering why I am supposed to care. I would like to know whatever you're willing to share.
Thanks
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@rakuuu
"Micheal Oren that israeli Geobbels is authority for you? Cuz why, he is good lookin? Ever read his book about six day war?"
OK, so you like his book and you are attracted to him? Why do I need to know this? What does
"that israeli Geobbels is authority for you?" mean?
You respect him or not? I assume if you mention his book that you appreciate his scholarship. He's also a diplomat for Israel. Can you imagine a historian of that caliber representing an Islamic nation? I can't.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
General Dayan- We would send a tractor to plow some area where it wasn't possible to do anything, in the demilitarized area, and knew in advance that the Syrians would start to shoot. If they didn't shoot, we would tell the tractor to advance farther, until in the end the Syrians would get annoyed and shoot. And then we would use artillery and later the air force also, and that's how it was.You don't strike at the enemy because he is a bastard, but because he threatens you and they,
rakuuu85 5 months ago
@rakuuu
Moron, I know that Israel is an open society, due process, human rights, and so on and so forth. They have a passionate need to explore every angle of the truth, that is how the West inherited these values. Now you psychotics who are raised in cults are fed these blurbs out-of-context and you think it means something that it in fact does not mean.
I have seen infinitely more sophisticated abuses of facts than you have tried thus far.
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constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@constructivereconcil habibi in Soviet Union there were political oposittion as well- of course not during Stalin but later on. the same works betselem in israel, as useful morans for foregners. They are very helpfull for my work with very good material data, but there influence is non, or just symbolic. I had been to many countries, but just in one I cant buy land cuz of ethnic/reglious background- its Israel. Even if I would get married there I wouldnt be full right citizen- like Druze
rakuuu85 5 months ago
@rakuuu "Even if I would get married there I wouldnt be full right citizen- like Druze"
False. It gets tiresome when people change the subject by quoting something out of context to imply something is amiss, but what makes me crazy is the hypocrisy because Israel is the ONLY Jewish state, & it mentions Jews explicitly because every other nation in that region specifically places nonMuslims as "dhimmi" which as a word is derived from "diminished" as in status. Nazis emulated the dhimmi status.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@rakuuu85
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The 2nd point is that if you report a "fact" that based on Western culture might weem "wrong" (I see no other reason why you'd write it) that too proves the West superior because you ask me to measure an individual act in the context of Western values. What does that tell you?
Criminals are prosecuted in the West because we have due process, but what you don't say is the outcome you prefer from Islam. The only thing you have to offer is Sharia Law.
Do you even get this point?
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@constructivereconcil who "are loyal" but outsiders, therefore they have even difficulties to get there own land in there own villages. And yes there land was also confiscated in 1949, despite that Druze were part of Hagana and IDF. So is it open? Maybe in few neigborhoods in Tel Aviv or Haifa- yes, but not in the rest, were citizenship is only buy blood criteria- camin back to history isnt it? You mention as a great western value its attitude towards criminals- which in that case I do not agree
rakuuu85 5 months ago
@rakuuu
"You mention as a great western value its attitude towards criminals- which in that case I do not agree"
Huh? Well over half of your statements are completely mysterious as to your point.
"So is it open?"
Is what open? The military? Yes. What about the first thousand points I made that you haven't even acknowledged? Are you wasting everyone's time here?
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@rakuuu "who "are loyal" but outsiders, therefore they have even difficulties to get there own land in there own villages"
I've never heard of even 1 Israeli leaving the country to find a better life. Please explain to me how you present Israel as the worst in the region when in fact it's the only place w Western laws, particularly concerning human rights, democracy etc. which includes Western style courts of equity. Your story only makes sense to you because Islam has an entire culture of lies
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@constructivereconcil 've never heard of even 1 Israeli leaving the country to find a better life.
oh mine friend you never been to Tel Aviv I see. In Tel Aviv one of most crowded places is US Embassy which gives visa to America. Israeli goverment never asked for non visa movment for israelis cuz they would just all leaves. In Rabins dairy, which I think you should read, Rabin says that in the end of 70s, military established that almost 3 divisions are living abroad. Those divisions are only
rakuuu85 5 months ago
@rakuuu85 "I've never heard of even 1 Israeli leaving the country to find a better life."
I should've said leaving the country for another regional home. Israel is the cultural parent of Western civilization. Of course they will feel fine in any Western nation not currently over-rum by Islamic imperialist colonial migrants. I also could have made more sense by talking about the Arab Muslim Israelis, who never seem to crave living under Islam after living in Israel, the supposed apartheid state.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@constructivereconcil man, but we need to multiply that with a numbers of female. And that was in the 70s. During Intifada Jerusalem Post quated that almost 12,000 Israelis are leaving the country annualy. When UE spread in 2004 to new countries like Poland, Czech or Hungary those Israelis who could prove that they had at least one decendent from that country got those countries passports, which now days mean that they can live and work freely in UE. Personaly I know 5 israelis who said goodbye
rakuuu85 5 months ago
@rakuuu
Right, but you've gleefully exploited a point that I did not intend to make...the only time you make any sense.
"Personaly I know 5 israelis who said goodbye"
Sure, but not for Sharia land or even supposed secular "Arab Land."
Don't get too excited. Your point is moot. Western civilization is based on the Hebrew prophets. It was my fault, but I have to wonder why you think it's so exciting the Israelis prefer developed nations w'out so many murderers? So excited to correct me is all.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@constructivereconcil Western civilization is based on the Hebrew prophets.
Well Hebrew prohets demanded teocratical state, with "sharia" religious law, which says eye for an eye basic rule. its rather greek philosophy, chrisitianity and then enlightment after XVI.
rakuuu85 5 months ago
@rakuuu "Well Hebrew prohets demanded teocratical state, with "sharia" religious law"
Completely wrong. Absolutely core to the biggest lie in human history, the lie that Mohamed was a prophet. Your statement is idiotic to ANYONE and EVERYONE that does not accept the lies of Islam.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@constructivereconcil "Well Hebrew prohets demanded teocratical state, with "sharia" religious law"
Completely wrong
Well read Old Testament, for example that story why and how Dawid became king
rakuuu85 5 months ago
@rakuuu "read Old Testament, for example that story why and how Dawid became king"
THAT theocracy was so explicit, that's the point! Don't you get it? All of the OT was to show mankind through the example of the Israelites that man cann't achieve righteousness through his own efforts even with God's personal shepherding. By setting requirements as per Leviticus, no Temple etc., no theocracy, no route to righteousness without the Messiah. Hence Jesus Christ informed them of the ultimate path.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@rakuuu "which says eye for an eye basic rule"
Another large lie, because out of context it can mean anything. Judeo Christianity says that is an absolute MAXIMUM to say that once you've been made right, you must cease hostilities. Pagan or natural man seeks revenge and dominance. Once you've been made right, that is it, return to peace.
Muslims & others simply quote it & imply that "revenge is godley" because of the context in which they have been lying about it for these many centuries.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@constructivereconcil Judeo Christianity says that is an absolute MAXIMUM to say that once you've been made right, you must cease hostilities
Well its Christian doctrine, not Jewish, Jews have nothin to do with it, they must use double standards one for Jews, other for "goyim" which some of great jewish rabbies sometimes hardly even recognised as a human being not an humanoid animal
rakuuu85 5 months ago
@rakuuu
"Judeo Christianity says that is an absolute MAXIMUM to say that once you've been made right, you must cease hostilities"
OK, sure, I'll follow you along that idea..
"Well its Christian doctrine, not Jewish, Jews have nothin to do with it, they must use double standards one for Jews"
Dude, your spewing dogma. The only difference between Christians & Jews are 1) Who they identify with 2) disagreement as to the identity of the coming Messiah.
That is it. The rest is artificial dogma.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago
@constructivereconcil Dude, your spewing dogma. The only difference between Christians & Jews are 1) Who they identify with 2) disagreement as to the identity of the coming Messiah
LOL are you sure? its comon mistake done by christians so this time I will be mercyfull. After 70ad in Javne conference judaism nowdays- judaism rabbinic was made. As you know from NT there were lots of different sects- sadecus,faryssej, esseins, qumran-yet un known, and nutsri-christians. After Javne faryyseism the
rakuuu85 5 months ago
@rakuuu "are you sure? its comon mistake done by christians so this time I will be mercyfull"
You'll be merciful to me? What a clown you are. Complete moron. Your failure to understand is not any failure of mine.
Specific to your comment; I'm referring to the texts. Obviously the differences in applications of those texts is where the personal responsibility factors in. You can't blame the religious texts, but blame the cultural deviations & individuals. These are all separate issues.
constructivereconcil 5 months ago