Christianity 1, Atheism 0. Now I'll go back to teaching my kids about hating gays, and blacks. Then I'll have sex with my wife just like Christ intended; through the vagina without a condom. God bless child benefit.
3) Ive found these books 2 be extremely stimulating: Steven Pinker's "The Blank Slate: The Modern Denial of Human Nature", Frans da Waal's "Primates and Philosophers: How Morality Evolved", Marc Hauser's "Moral Minds", Sam Harris' "The Moral Landscape", Michael Shermer's "The Science of Good & Evil", "Ethics" (edited by Peter Singer), Robert Wright's "The Moral Animal"... If u have any suggestion 4 me, it'll be welcomed.
2)... has been with all the toxic bullshit that was drilled into my head since I was a kid. It became clear 2 me that I couldnt luv myself while believing this. It became a prison; totally unhealthy. Ive also seen this in many Christian gay friends. BTW: Wot is more denigrating & depression-inducing than the idea that we, by default, deserve eternal torment? The natural objective morality in me tells me this is wrong & if u worship that, whether it exists or not, u have no moral integrity.
1) Sooo... U practically applied the "god of the gaps" argument 2 da morality question & reconverted 2... Christianity? Wot brand of Christian morality do u subscribe 2? Divine Command theory? Really? I dont know, man, but 2 me this is pretty lame. The other vids R more interesting, though.... On homosexuality: Christians luv 2 say: "He's fighting with the sin of homosexuality. Deep down he knows it's wrong"... FAIL. My only fight when it comes 2 my sexuality... CONT...
I would be honored to be your student, your philosophical views and thought processes are inspiring and beyond thought provoking. I've been an 'atheist' from quite a young age and as you might've guessed never lived as a religious believer, so I thank you for sharing your insight into what it was like in your series and for making it in the first place, I think that if more people thought like you the world would be a better place.
4:30 is proof of God's existence. I mean, you can't be nipping like that unless you're really cold and we know that outer space is really cold and we know that God is in outer space where it's really cold and therefore it logically follows that God would be nipping in such a cold environment and we know that you can't be nipping in the first place if you don't exist.
Given the inane nature of the collective reaction to this video among atheists that subscribe to your very thought provoking series. Should you consider yourself to be a god among men here, as you did when you were surrounded by Christians?
- But there is also a thing which helps you choose between the two, and it just couldn't be something in your brain. - Like dorsolateral prefrontal cortex? - No, use your logic: it just couldn't be something in your brain.
I agree with you that an Atheist who is philosophically sophisticated CANNOT be convinced or converted by that lame-ass overrated argument that makes several non-sequitur arguments (moral law needs Christian God? Why not Allah? Why not Brahma? Why not Sikhi God?) that do not follow. I especially agree with you that a lay person of neuroscience and evolution would find this argument too unrefined, since both neuroscience and evolution successfully predicts Altruism.
This vid made me unsub you. It wasn't until recently that I got the joke. I unsubbed after a few sec of your video because I thought you've been making all those other great videos as part of a scheme to finally say that you've reconverted demonstrating that even after all the research and seeing evidence against the existence of god, you still believed in god. So, I thought you were just a sneaky evangelist and unsubbed. Did you notice a drop in your subs when you posted this vid?
This is sooo bloody funny... I don't know about that book. But now I think I should go look for it in a used book store so I could have myself a couple of laughs...
When it comes to how Jesus had claimed he had to power to absolve you of your sins, he recognized the disillusion nature of "original sin", I think it is plausible that he was a Liar, in the sense that, because people looked upto him/believed him, he was attempting to free the oppression of Original sin, by saying he could absolve them of it- Note that he also said we could do as he does, and greater things ;)
This is just epic - "there is just no other possibility" and flashes 3 at the same time.
Hah, thanks for the good laugh..
I cant believe how bad his book is though. I always figured it would be nonsense but these jumps that he makes are so unjustified that I cant believe anyone takes them seriously.
Like the way you make sure to make absolutely no sense at all. Great work. I especially liked the link to Trololololo. ;) Just don't let these SOMA guys make you arrogant. Everybody likes a laugh once in a while, just take care.
Well The when jesus died and the father became one....what's means with thist is god is inside you the divine which you look for outside is in you........Do you know joseph campbell?
I'm always amazed at the proportion of people who don't recognize satire/trolling (any amount is too much). Especially when it's super-obvious and comes the same time EVERY YEAR. Even worse are people who comment without watching the whole thing. Even WORSE is when they characterize themselves as rationalists.
Then again, it wouldn't be as fun without them…
Oh well. Great video, in any case, if not subtle enough for my tastes ;)
LOL. I love the way you throw the "other" options up there even though you said there obviously aren't any. And I didn't know that CS Lewis had non-fiction books! That's interesting.
Is there an Atheist version of Royal Rangers or Boy Scouts? Seems like a shame that Atheist kids can't even join the Boy Scouts. The Boy Scouts of America (BSA), one of the largest private youth organizations in the United States, has policies which prohibit atheists and agnostics from membership in its Scouting program , and prohibit "avowed" homosexual people from leadership roles in its Scouting program as directly violating its fundamental principles and tenets.
It seems all the assumptions you claim to be necessary for C. S. Lewis' claims to be true are not well-established by himself and thus all the implications fall apart.
LOL- So this was a joke right? It says April Fools Fundraiser-- However, was this video the April Fools Joke or were all the Atheist videos the joke? You gotta admit this is kind of confusing. LOL.
Types like the bananaman also watch these video's. The last thing you want to do is hand them ammo in the form of easy accesible, well constructed lines of reasoning they can succesfully put to use.
Unlike me, the rest of my family are still christians. I suspect that my younger brother is being introduced to apologetics by his church. He is reading C. S. Lewis' Mere Christianity, and I want to tell him that what he is reading is, philosophically, a joke, but I can't, because my mom would never allow it. She is still a devout believer, and nothing can shake her faith, and she would never let me try to reason with my brother, lest he become me.
@seanthedonconsidine That must be so frustrating for you. Perhaps do it behind your mums' back and use some sort of threatened blackmail to ensure your brother doesn't alert her? Heh...
@seanthedonconsidine You're probably right. I suppose you can just hope your brother has an open mind and will eventually approach you to hear what evidence you have!
This goes to show that one rule of the internet regarding the impossibility of distinguishing between certain forms of satire of a belief and the belief itself.
cause of weakness and the need to sattle. your conclusion in the end is nothing but a verbal rephrase for the ancient perspective. how you can jump the conclusion that jesus was god or som avatar of him? it just does'nt makes any sense. i'm not preaching athism, i'm seeing my self as very open-minded person, i'm myself living in an endless conflicts and crisises, i'm just holding the paradox without falling to the temptation of faith-oblivion. i would realy like to read your comment.
1Hey, as you said it i'm quite disappointed. there was a lot of arguments fliyng in my head while i watched your videos. thoughts to share. if my english was good as my hebrew i would talk flowently without any problem of effort. it just seem to me that your whole journy was directed from the begin, otherwise you could'nt possibly become belliver again in the very much way wich you been denied by logic. it seem to me that after all you didn't move a step. youv'e finished your research by the
Magic exists!!! It is obvious! Harry Potter cast incantations in Harry Potter and obviously Harry Potter could only talk about Harry Potter casting incantations if Harry Potter existed and claimed to cast incantations. And when Harry Potter was talking about his incantations he is either a tricky Swindler, a hallucinating Stoner, or exactly who he said he was: A great Sorcerer . And he was obviously a Great Sorcerer, there are no other possibilities (Fictional Story? Don't be silly!)
Not dissappointed... Just think you're a liar when you say that you used to be an atheist... I think that you're making this up... It's a FALSE "testimony"... Where's the "moral" in this fake story?
I love that line in MC when Lewis says "For the rest of the book, I will assume that I have proved Christianity is true" or something like that. It's like he knows his own apologetics are a miserable heap of non-sequiturs.
I'm ESPECIALLY baffled that you didn't catch the satire in these *later* scenes in the video, at which point, either the reasoning was just getting ridiculous OR I was posting images or making side-comments that *explicitly* contradicted what I was saying:
Don't be baffled. I don't study your videos, I just watch them. It was obviously satire alright, but I missed the details and therefore couldn't find it funny. I'm sorry I wasted your efforts but that is clearly my fault and not yours, so please don't think I was critisizing you unduely.
@Evid3nc3 First you bastardise history and now you bastardise mathematics and C.S. Lewis's book. You are not interested in the truth, you only want to support your obsesive dogma about evidence.
@42317 Wow, really? I was laughing my ass off the whole time at how uncharacteristically awful the dialogue in this video was! It was obviously satire. :)
At first, I thought, 'satire'. Such twisting and turning, a strenuous effort to make C.S. Lewis sound reasonable, that I thought you sounded just like a fear filled confused Christian. Finally, I decided that it all sounded like College Debating Rhetoric, or a whole lot of Hot Air at the local Philosophy Club, or desperate political propaganda, or a good Nazi trying to make Hitler sound reasonable. What ever your goal, I can't be de-converted with this video.
I'm not disappointed in you beliving what you feel is tru, Evi. I djust don't (obviously, since I'm an atheist) see your reasoning.. All the arguments you yourself suplied agaist theism and or religeon. Eg. that religeon is man made.. And then you simply choose to belive that what makes us choose altruism/selfpresurvation over the other is an external "impulse". I see no indication for that in any way but I guess that's one thing that separates our ways of thinking.. :)
Ahahaha great video, although I think you shouldn't have mentioned the April Fools, people getting trolled are undeniably one of the most entertaining things to witness.
@michalchik - C.S. Lewis didn't have the upper hand in this case; it's only with very recent science, that we know enough about the brain, to make arguments like these. Imagine for a minute if we knew the portion of the brain which could be stimulated to have the 'sense of god' - wait, hold on, we DO! But C.S. Lewis wasn't around to see it, other-wise some of his arguments probably would have been a lot different.
The atheists of the past were much more bold, as they had much less to go on.
@PurpleGhost CS lewis if he had read just one book on anthropology or sociology or for that matter history should have been able to see that there is no universal moral code but profound religious experience exist everywhere and every-time, just not Christianity. If he had engaged in genuine biblical scholarship he would have seen that house of cards and smoke his religion was built on. He had darwin, moore, hume, freud, james and myriad others that could have clarified these issues.
@michalchik - I think you misunderstood what I was getting at. Certainly, if it had occurred to C.S. Lewis to look for holes in his holy book, he'd have been capable of seeing them; however, why would he look?
The upper hand I was speaking of, is the over whelming weight of the amount of evidence we have now. My point was, it simply wasn't as much back then, not enough to be everywhere as it is now.
And there is some amount of natural altruistic moral code, almost all of us feel killing is bad.
@PurpleGhost I absolutely agree there is more evidence now and that evidence is scientifically more rigorous. I disagree that there was not much then. Moral philosophy and human behavior were well developed by the time lewis began his work. In fact many of lewis's arguments had already been torn apart by Ingersoll, Russell, Freud, James, and even by ancient Greek philosophers like Democritus. There are many cultures, including in the Bible that glorify cold blooded murder as conquest.
@michalchik - Please understand, I don't wish this to devolve into semantics; but, I didn't say there wasn't much then, each time I have only said that we have 'much more now' or something to that effect.
I feel that the weight of evidence now is over-whelming, and that at this point, we can make arguments so thorough, as to be metaphorically air tight, and that it wasn't AS simple to do so then.
You, seem to be suggesting that C.S. Lewis likely had to exorcise some wilful ignorance, I agree.
Dogs have morals, monkeys can plan and be manipulatice. People believe whatever their parents tell them, until they come 'adrift' and they latch onto random pattern matches.
Your April Fool could become the next basis of someone's life changing doctrine.
I have to know, since I hear this book being full of logical, reasonable, well-thought out arguments for the existence of Jesus as god, is this really it? Is there nothing more to it than "there must be a lawgiver" and "since Jesus wasn't a liar or crazy, he must be god"?
Unfortunately, the title gave it away too early (I guess you changed the title after April 1st), but it was still good to go through this and see what you'd say. Nice work.
Hrm, I have trouble understanding your mind jumps in this video(It's parody after all). It was fairly easy to spot the joke when the conflicting images of witches,slaves etc were represented with the argument that there's oblivously a timeless moral.
Well, just remember, they weren't *my* mind jumps: they were C.S. Lewis's. What you just witnessed was me literally summarizing the points of the book as I read them. And, yes, he notoriously jumped from one point to the next without establishing a coherent logical bridge to get there.
Nice video, very clever! Your arguments for belief are hilarious and seem so intelligent just the way Christians and creationist like it. I especially liked the sheet of music being a music note example.
I greatly enjoyed your mockery [or whatever you choose to call it] of the manner in which christians talk about things like this. Put simply, your word choice and attitude in which explaining yourself. :3
If I had seen this, I feel I would've [though I could be mistaken] known it was a joke from about 2 minutes in. The difference [being your word usage and lack of intelligent sounding conversation and reasoning] between this and your atheistic videos is night and day.
@evid3nc3 Darn it! Just once, can't you make one mediocre video? One that doesn't knock my socks off or keep me awake thinking at night?! Please stop making me think so hard! You're invading my sleep and my mind drifts during the day when I ought to be concentrating on work... I'm just kidding...You're fast becoming my favorite 'youtubers'! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK. You inspire me! :-)
So, the source of Objective Morality is the Subjective Morality of an God. I like how the concept of heavenly justice doesn't include splitting up the Judging from the Prosecution, nor a system of checks and balances. Feels good that an autocratic system is used as a state motto of a Democracy. :)
"so let's just go with... I don't know... how about... God?" HAHAA!! I don't know how you were able to keep a straight face speaking half the script. You should do a serious deconstruction of Mere Christianity one day.
LOL! Great little spoof. You really had me going for a second. The problem with C.S. Lewis' Mere Christianity argument of course is that morality is subjective. If it were objective, then slavery would still be okay, atheists would be immoral evil baby eaters since they don't listen to the "lawgiver", and those damn gays would be in jail or stoned to death for their buggery.
I am convinced that morality is a learned behavior. If it weren't, secular society wouldn't exist.
OK!!! I've been had.While listening to the entry, I was thinking, "Why would he pick the least of all possible reasons for a god to exist, much less the Christian version, which is about the most immoral and just plain viscious deity around. And I say with with 8 years of seminary under my belt and more years of post-graduate work at UC Berkeley Theological Union schools than I care to admit to. I'm just slow - but finally realized there is no god. Epiphany!!
My favorite part of "Mere Christianity" was when Lewis said that atheism was the belief that the world is unjust. But how can injustice exist without justice to compare it to? That's like saying darkness can't exist without light! Checkmate, atheists!
I really don't get why mere Christianity is popularly claimed to be a convincing argument when in fact it presents very weak arguments. The moral argument was clearly bad since C.S. Lewis seems unaware of Euthyphro's dilemma. The argument for divinity is embarrassing since he made some unwarranted assumptions. Even philosophically minded theist wouldn't find the arguments by C.S. Lewis Convincing.
Great video. CS Lewis is so terribly overrated. He has great wits, though, but none of what he argues for in favor of christianity makes sense unless you are already a christian and accept christian assumptions about reality.
Still, 'The Screwtape Letters' is a great read, whether you're a christian or not.
Oh my. If that's about as insightful as Mere Christianity gets, I'm simultaneously grateful that I haven't wasted my time on it, and annoyed that I should probably read it so I can sift through the murky thoughts of the theists I know who are convinced by it.
I'll have to look closer at this. I've always thought of morality as something that is taught or learned through social interaction. Morality around the world is clearly very subjective.
Morality is a very complicated subject. While I would say that morality isn't god given. I hesitate to call it subjective per say. There are objective aspects to morality. Things that every human being and animal deal with. Pain for example. A good video to watch on the subject is Sam Harris Science can answer Moral Questions.
'this like saying the sheet music that tells you what notes to play is one of the notes. its exactly like saying that.' HAHA! :) what does that mean? :p
well you shouldn't. The historical Jesus was not a liar or lunatic.
Therefore is he our Lord?
No.
Guess what?
The historical Jesus never said he was God.
Guess what?
This is taught at all seminaries (except a few hardcore evangelical)
The christology (the divinity given to Jesus) increased as time went by because of the stories being told about him. Thats why in the gospel of John (the LATEST gospel) says he IS God and is regarded as NOT historical but an embellishment by writers
I must admit that I actually was taken in--had the faith that you had fallen back into your old belief pattern. I've followed all of your videos, and this one definetly seemed to show a great degradation in your reasoning process (which probably should have been enough to tip me off), but I also know that faith programming is a powerful force. In this instance, I placed my trust in the latter instinct.
God sent Jesus to be our savior. Rejecting the savior does not entail God sending us to hell, humans do it themselves. Its akin to denying medication, the dr doesnt make you die if you refuse the meds.
Bart Erhman has the best response (a definitive one actually) to Liar lunatic or Lord in "Jesus interrupted."
Just so you know, it was C.S. Lewis's argument I was presenting, not mine. On the same token, I'm skeptical how the *creator* of both Hell AND the entire rule that "humans send themselves to hell", the being that set up the entire system to be the way it is, could in any way deny responsibility for sending people to Hell.
It's absurd as a playwright writing a play and saying he was so upset about the way the play went, that the way it all went was not his fault, and that he was just one of the actors.
@skepticnyc It would actually be like if the doctor injected you with a disease, and then wouldn't give you the cure (unless you acknowledged his son as your personal savior). You see... God is the one making the rules.
"Life is great to me. It just so happens I believe God does not exist."
I don't think you followed his analogy. The "disease" was "being bound to an eternal Hell when you die unless receiving the cure of Jesus Christ". Not the life we live on earth. So the doctor injects us with the disease then denies the cure unless his conditions are met. And yes, my "playwright" comment was addressed to you.
Christianity 1, Atheism 0. Now I'll go back to teaching my kids about hating gays, and blacks. Then I'll have sex with my wife just like Christ intended; through the vagina without a condom. God bless child benefit.
GouledXD 9 hours ago
"Jesus clearly wasn't a lunatic or a liar" lol
MUBabe1991 1 week ago
lmfao!!!
nightingale42 3 weeks ago in playlist Conceptual
Haven't had this much fun since the last Monty Python movie I saw.
MithranArkanere 3 weeks ago
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3) Ive found these books 2 be extremely stimulating: Steven Pinker's "The Blank Slate: The Modern Denial of Human Nature", Frans da Waal's "Primates and Philosophers: How Morality Evolved", Marc Hauser's "Moral Minds", Sam Harris' "The Moral Landscape", Michael Shermer's "The Science of Good & Evil", "Ethics" (edited by Peter Singer), Robert Wright's "The Moral Animal"... If u have any suggestion 4 me, it'll be welcomed.
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cre599 1 month ago
2)... has been with all the toxic bullshit that was drilled into my head since I was a kid. It became clear 2 me that I couldnt luv myself while believing this. It became a prison; totally unhealthy. Ive also seen this in many Christian gay friends. BTW: Wot is more denigrating & depression-inducing than the idea that we, by default, deserve eternal torment? The natural objective morality in me tells me this is wrong & if u worship that, whether it exists or not, u have no moral integrity.
cre599 1 month ago
1) Sooo... U practically applied the "god of the gaps" argument 2 da morality question & reconverted 2... Christianity? Wot brand of Christian morality do u subscribe 2? Divine Command theory? Really? I dont know, man, but 2 me this is pretty lame. The other vids R more interesting, though.... On homosexuality: Christians luv 2 say: "He's fighting with the sin of homosexuality. Deep down he knows it's wrong"... FAIL. My only fight when it comes 2 my sexuality... CONT...
cre599 1 month ago
I would be honored to be your student, your philosophical views and thought processes are inspiring and beyond thought provoking. I've been an 'atheist' from quite a young age and as you might've guessed never lived as a religious believer, so I thank you for sharing your insight into what it was like in your series and for making it in the first place, I think that if more people thought like you the world would be a better place.
NZxNIgHTmARExgX 1 month ago in playlist Conceptual
4:30 is proof of God's existence. I mean, you can't be nipping like that unless you're really cold and we know that outer space is really cold and we know that God is in outer space where it's really cold and therefore it logically follows that God would be nipping in such a cold environment and we know that you can't be nipping in the first place if you don't exist.
Nipple Argument for the Existence of God: 1
Bad Logic: 0
WorkOverTime 1 month ago
So deadpan, yet so hilarious!
IamBHM 1 month ago
@Evid3nc3
Given the inane nature of the collective reaction to this video among atheists that subscribe to your very thought provoking series. Should you consider yourself to be a god among men here, as you did when you were surrounded by Christians?
jesselee34 1 month ago
Anyone else click the link? TROLOLOLOLOLOLOL
mancno1 1 month ago in playlist Conceptual
Time to look at 9 month old comments and laugh.
LukeHasAimbot 1 month ago
MY BIRTHDAY FUNDRAISER!!! YAY!!
F1R3STARYA 1 month ago
This video made me giggle. Nicely done. ;)
Erax2001 1 month ago
"moral law" vs instinct
w00zyhead 2 months ago
My parents got me this book for Christmas. It's a painful read.
yarahahrwe 2 months ago
- But there is also a thing which helps you choose between the two, and it just couldn't be something in your brain. - Like dorsolateral prefrontal cortex? - No, use your logic: it just couldn't be something in your brain.
OrdinaryEvidence 2 months ago
I agree with you that an Atheist who is philosophically sophisticated CANNOT be convinced or converted by that lame-ass overrated argument that makes several non-sequitur arguments (moral law needs Christian God? Why not Allah? Why not Brahma? Why not Sikhi God?) that do not follow. I especially agree with you that a lay person of neuroscience and evolution would find this argument too unrefined, since both neuroscience and evolution successfully predicts Altruism.
philonous09 2 months ago in playlist More videos from Evid3nc3
This vid made me unsub you. It wasn't until recently that I got the joke. I unsubbed after a few sec of your video because I thought you've been making all those other great videos as part of a scheme to finally say that you've reconverted demonstrating that even after all the research and seeing evidence against the existence of god, you still believed in god. So, I thought you were just a sneaky evangelist and unsubbed. Did you notice a drop in your subs when you posted this vid?
vasarios 3 months ago
I lol'd haha :D
SuperZuescannon 4 months ago
This is sooo bloody funny... I don't know about that book. But now I think I should go look for it in a used book store so I could have myself a couple of laughs...
shade9592 4 months ago
When it comes to how Jesus had claimed he had to power to absolve you of your sins, he recognized the disillusion nature of "original sin", I think it is plausible that he was a Liar, in the sense that, because people looked upto him/believed him, he was attempting to free the oppression of Original sin, by saying he could absolve them of it- Note that he also said we could do as he does, and greater things ;)
just some thoughts..
Kelidiscope 4 months ago
This is just epic - "there is just no other possibility" and flashes 3 at the same time.
Hah, thanks for the good laugh..
I cant believe how bad his book is though. I always figured it would be nonsense but these jumps that he makes are so unjustified that I cant believe anyone takes them seriously.
Korkzor 5 months ago
Like the way you make sure to make absolutely no sense at all. Great work. I especially liked the link to Trololololo. ;) Just don't let these SOMA guys make you arrogant. Everybody likes a laugh once in a while, just take care.
WilfriedAnonymo 5 months ago
Well The when jesus died and the father became one....what's means with thist is god is inside you the divine which you look for outside is in you........Do you know joseph campbell?
abc18abc19 5 months ago
Nice visual sarcasm there.
FattyMcFox 6 months ago
holy fuck you got me!
Calsendon 6 months ago
1:41
MartinLucK05 6 months ago
I'm always amazed at the proportion of people who don't recognize satire/trolling (any amount is too much). Especially when it's super-obvious and comes the same time EVERY YEAR. Even worse are people who comment without watching the whole thing. Even WORSE is when they characterize themselves as rationalists.
Then again, it wouldn't be as fun without them…
Oh well. Great video, in any case, if not subtle enough for my tastes ;)
Cubelarooso 6 months ago
LMFAO! I can just visualize the red faces of indignant atheists who didn't get the joke in April.
I had forgotten about Lewis's silly trifurcation about Jesus. I have to go back and re-read Mere Christianity of the mere intellect of C.S. Lewis
horrifiedheartlander 7 months ago
LOL. I love the way you throw the "other" options up there even though you said there obviously aren't any. And I didn't know that CS Lewis had non-fiction books! That's interesting.
CopyFox7 7 months ago
Is there an Atheist version of Royal Rangers or Boy Scouts? Seems like a shame that Atheist kids can't even join the Boy Scouts. The Boy Scouts of America (BSA), one of the largest private youth organizations in the United States, has policies which prohibit atheists and agnostics from membership in its Scouting program , and prohibit "avowed" homosexual people from leadership roles in its Scouting program as directly violating its fundamental principles and tenets.
batfly 7 months ago
@batfly
There's Camp Quest, but it's more of just a camp than a youth organization.
Cubelarooso 6 months ago
It seems all the assumptions you claim to be necessary for C. S. Lewis' claims to be true are not well-established by himself and thus all the implications fall apart.
EdwardinTaiwan 7 months ago
This would've scared the shit out of me if I didn't know better.
TheBiAtheist 7 months ago
These are all great points. I'm becoming a christian lol.
deathtris 8 months ago
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This video is so hilarious!
AgentKuo 8 months ago
just realized that this is a april fools joke, almost went insane.
3dimensionalJoe 8 months ago
I love the "so that settles it..." at the end. ROFL! Bravo, nicely played.
omgitsrook 8 months ago
I want to cry >_> Soothing music, that cheerful tone, "settle it" posture near the end...
ScorpiaX 8 months ago
LOL- So this was a joke right? It says April Fools Fundraiser-- However, was this video the April Fools Joke or were all the Atheist videos the joke? You gotta admit this is kind of confusing. LOL.
KenM66 9 months ago
2:01 This is "vintage" EdwardCurrent... ludicrous superposition of religious narrative and images to highlight the absurdity of said narrative.
SerbAtheist 9 months ago
I liked the part where he was being sarcastic
Roenazarrek 9 months ago
this is so damn funny!
xRavenWylde 9 months ago
Types like the bananaman also watch these video's. The last thing you want to do is hand them ammo in the form of easy accesible, well constructed lines of reasoning they can succesfully put to use.
Kawabunga02 9 months ago
Unlike me, the rest of my family are still christians. I suspect that my younger brother is being introduced to apologetics by his church. He is reading C. S. Lewis' Mere Christianity, and I want to tell him that what he is reading is, philosophically, a joke, but I can't, because my mom would never allow it. She is still a devout believer, and nothing can shake her faith, and she would never let me try to reason with my brother, lest he become me.
Any advice? Anything at all I can say or do?
seanthedonconsidine 10 months ago
@seanthedonconsidine That must be so frustrating for you. Perhaps do it behind your mums' back and use some sort of threatened blackmail to ensure your brother doesn't alert her? Heh...
suracs 9 months ago
@suracs Lol no that's not realistic. They'll live their lives, and I'll live mine...
seanthedonconsidine 9 months ago
@seanthedonconsidine You're probably right. I suppose you can just hope your brother has an open mind and will eventually approach you to hear what evidence you have!
suracs 9 months ago
"Basically... we're all screwed." I cracked up!
LMNOP1214 10 months ago
This goes to show that one rule of the internet regarding the impossibility of distinguishing between certain forms of satire of a belief and the belief itself.
"...we're all screwed!" Genius.
CrimsonComedian 10 months ago
Well I prefer lion jesus over the real one myself.
Huzzawful 10 months ago
.hey, i've missed the title. it just seem so convincing
MrMysticalPotato 10 months ago
cause of weakness and the need to sattle. your conclusion in the end is nothing but a verbal rephrase for the ancient perspective. how you can jump the conclusion that jesus was god or som avatar of him? it just does'nt makes any sense. i'm not preaching athism, i'm seeing my self as very open-minded person, i'm myself living in an endless conflicts and crisises, i'm just holding the paradox without falling to the temptation of faith-oblivion. i would realy like to read your comment.
MrMysticalPotato 10 months ago
1Hey, as you said it i'm quite disappointed. there was a lot of arguments fliyng in my head while i watched your videos. thoughts to share. if my english was good as my hebrew i would talk flowently without any problem of effort. it just seem to me that your whole journy was directed from the begin, otherwise you could'nt possibly become belliver again in the very much way wich you been denied by logic. it seem to me that after all you didn't move a step. youv'e finished your research by the
MrMysticalPotato 10 months ago
God is pretty pissed off at us... so basically we're all screwed. LOL. that's my favorite line
aphrodite8604 10 months ago
Lol over and over.
JaguarEscarlata 10 months ago
Magic exists!!! It is obvious! Harry Potter cast incantations in Harry Potter and obviously Harry Potter could only talk about Harry Potter casting incantations if Harry Potter existed and claimed to cast incantations. And when Harry Potter was talking about his incantations he is either a tricky Swindler, a hallucinating Stoner, or exactly who he said he was: A great Sorcerer . And he was obviously a Great Sorcerer, there are no other possibilities (Fictional Story? Don't be silly!)
MacabreManifesto 10 months ago
@0110mkultra00111 - And better choice for an audience, they definitely had the largest majority in C.S. Lewis's country and era.
PurpleGhost 10 months ago
Man,you almost got me there.Love
Imirror1 10 months ago
Not dissappointed... Just think you're a liar when you say that you used to be an atheist... I think that you're making this up... It's a FALSE "testimony"... Where's the "moral" in this fake story?
eliud555 10 months ago
I love that line in MC when Lewis says "For the rest of the book, I will assume that I have proved Christianity is true" or something like that. It's like he knows his own apologetics are a miserable heap of non-sequiturs.
Morilore 10 months ago
OMG you had me! :P
Dizzypointed 10 months ago
Aren't these April jokes supposed to be funny?
This video simply indicates that you're a good speaker for any cause and that you could make a fortune selling used cars.
42317 10 months ago 13
@42317
I appreciate the compliment that I am a good speaker, but this video is *filled* with satirical, backhanded critiques of C.S. Lewis's reasoning:
1:41 1:54 2:11 2:18 2:32
I'm ESPECIALLY baffled that you didn't catch the satire in these *later* scenes in the video, at which point, either the reasoning was just getting ridiculous OR I was posting images or making side-comments that *explicitly* contradicted what I was saying:
3:14 3:37 3:56 4:41 4:47 5:36 5:58 6:20
Evid3nc3 10 months ago 32
@Evid3nc3
Don't be baffled. I don't study your videos, I just watch them. It was obviously satire alright, but I missed the details and therefore couldn't find it funny. I'm sorry I wasted your efforts but that is clearly my fault and not yours, so please don't think I was critisizing you unduely.
42317 10 months ago
@Evid3nc3 ironic that these numbers remind me of bible versus!! Amazing videos though.
PaulDBurden 2 months ago in playlist Conceptual
@Evid3nc3 First you bastardise history and now you bastardise mathematics and C.S. Lewis's book. You are not interested in the truth, you only want to support your obsesive dogma about evidence.
TheAwesomeMaths 1 month ago
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rarmst2 1 month ago in playlist Conceptual
@rarmst2 What?
TheAwesomeMaths 1 month ago
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rarmst2 1 month ago
@rarmst2
trololo is the sweetest sound to me after watching such "reconversion" lol
scorpioninth 3 weeks ago
@TheAwesomeMaths Yet to state areas that you disagree with and why, till you do everyone will just ignore you.
analukahuna 1 month ago
@TheAwesomeMaths Don't try to troll such an epic april fools trollage
ghollisjr 2 weeks ago in playlist Conceptual
@ghollisjr this guy does not understand what CS Lewis was trying to say.
TheAwesomeMaths 2 weeks ago
@TheAwesomeMaths maybe, maybe not.
ghollisjr 2 weeks ago
@42317 actually i thought this video had pretty weak arguments ... probably this is due reading the moral landscape of sam harris
syraneko 10 months ago
@42317 Wow, really? I was laughing my ass off the whole time at how uncharacteristically awful the dialogue in this video was! It was obviously satire. :)
burchdc 10 months ago
@42317
hey, by the way, if you didnt see his newest video, he uses your comment as an example of how humans misread things; he misread your comment.
TheLiberalSoup 10 months ago
@TheLiberalSoup
Yay, I'm becoming famous... *facepalm*
42317 10 months ago
@42317
ha
TheLiberalSoup 9 months ago
@42317
At first, I thought, 'satire'. Such twisting and turning, a strenuous effort to make C.S. Lewis sound reasonable, that I thought you sounded just like a fear filled confused Christian. Finally, I decided that it all sounded like College Debating Rhetoric, or a whole lot of Hot Air at the local Philosophy Club, or desperate political propaganda, or a good Nazi trying to make Hitler sound reasonable. What ever your goal, I can't be de-converted with this video.
generalzard1940 9 months ago
I'm not disappointed in you beliving what you feel is tru, Evi. I djust don't (obviously, since I'm an atheist) see your reasoning.. All the arguments you yourself suplied agaist theism and or religeon. Eg. that religeon is man made.. And then you simply choose to belive that what makes us choose altruism/selfpresurvation over the other is an external "impulse". I see no indication for that in any way but I guess that's one thing that separates our ways of thinking.. :)
Really like you vid's!
Dizzypointed 10 months ago
@Dizzypointed
I'm confused.. did you watch this on a phone or something where you couldn't read the title?
Anyhow:
7:04
:)
Evid3nc3 10 months ago 15
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Dizzypointed 10 months ago
@Evid3nc3 No, I'm just Swedish (not as fluent in English as I thought, maby) and slightly quick t jump the gun abviously! :D
I didn't realise the full implication of the title untill I had already posted a comment about not seeing your point! :)
Dizzypointed 10 months ago
Listen* on a phone. :P
Loved the video, better articulated than most ACTUAL theist videos.
superhamzah85 10 months ago
"Evacuating London" by Harry Gregson-Williams? Must be from a Call of Duty game, right?
SSJ3Ulcer 10 months ago
Ahhh! So cruel! When I read the title, my heart and jaw both fell to the floor. Lol!!
jrr577 10 months ago
LOL, how could you even make this with a straight face? =)
ladyiza9 11 months ago
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@ladyiza9 ..."LOL, how could you even make this with a straight face? =)"
I know, great isn't it....
ScienceWinsEndOfGod 10 months ago
I got Rick Rolled when I clicked on the link at the end of this video!
HonestTechnoAtheist 11 months ago
Ahahaha great video, although I think you shouldn't have mentioned the April Fools, people getting trolled are undeniably one of the most entertaining things to witness.
frunchzz 11 months ago
I can remember being a big fan of C.S. Lewis. How hollow his words sound today.
macnutz 11 months ago
@macnutz Me too, how his rubbish ever fooled me is now a mystery to me :-(
Nilsy1975 11 months ago
OH GOD IT'S SO FUNNY. BEST APRIL FOOLS EVER
GenPhilosopher 11 months ago 2
It still amazes me how bad CS Lewis's apologetic sounds when phrased succinctly.
michalchik 11 months ago 28
@michalchik - C.S. Lewis didn't have the upper hand in this case; it's only with very recent science, that we know enough about the brain, to make arguments like these. Imagine for a minute if we knew the portion of the brain which could be stimulated to have the 'sense of god' - wait, hold on, we DO! But C.S. Lewis wasn't around to see it, other-wise some of his arguments probably would have been a lot different.
The atheists of the past were much more bold, as they had much less to go on.
PurpleGhost 10 months ago
@PurpleGhost CS lewis if he had read just one book on anthropology or sociology or for that matter history should have been able to see that there is no universal moral code but profound religious experience exist everywhere and every-time, just not Christianity. If he had engaged in genuine biblical scholarship he would have seen that house of cards and smoke his religion was built on. He had darwin, moore, hume, freud, james and myriad others that could have clarified these issues.
michalchik 10 months ago
@michalchik - I think you misunderstood what I was getting at. Certainly, if it had occurred to C.S. Lewis to look for holes in his holy book, he'd have been capable of seeing them; however, why would he look?
The upper hand I was speaking of, is the over whelming weight of the amount of evidence we have now. My point was, it simply wasn't as much back then, not enough to be everywhere as it is now.
And there is some amount of natural altruistic moral code, almost all of us feel killing is bad.
PurpleGhost 10 months ago
@PurpleGhost I absolutely agree there is more evidence now and that evidence is scientifically more rigorous. I disagree that there was not much then. Moral philosophy and human behavior were well developed by the time lewis began his work. In fact many of lewis's arguments had already been torn apart by Ingersoll, Russell, Freud, James, and even by ancient Greek philosophers like Democritus. There are many cultures, including in the Bible that glorify cold blooded murder as conquest.
michalchik 10 months ago
@michalchik - Please understand, I don't wish this to devolve into semantics; but, I didn't say there wasn't much then, each time I have only said that we have 'much more now' or something to that effect.
I feel that the weight of evidence now is over-whelming, and that at this point, we can make arguments so thorough, as to be metaphorically air tight, and that it wasn't AS simple to do so then.
You, seem to be suggesting that C.S. Lewis likely had to exorcise some wilful ignorance, I agree.
PurpleGhost 10 months ago
hilarious.
Shrubbist 11 months ago
Wonderfully subtle as usual.
Wel done.
Rickymjam 11 months ago
Evid3nc3 Your videos are promoted by the Zeitgeist movement film and knowledge database. keep up the good work.
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RJ6506 11 months ago
@RJ6506 OH DEAR! He will have to commit suicide now from shame!
michalchik 10 months ago
I keep watching this, and I can't keep myself from smiling. This was excellently done.
MyCallFairIn 11 months ago
Ahahah, Trolololo
RhetoricalBullshit 11 months ago
This is freakin' hilarious!
manicania 11 months ago
An irrelevent comment, I know, but the orange silhouette you use to represent yourself always reminds me of Zach Braff.
Also, the prank was nicely done, kudos :P
theshadow308 11 months ago
Brilliant, and fun, thanks.
pumkinpi2 11 months ago
This is dangerous stuff.
Dogs have morals, monkeys can plan and be manipulatice. People believe whatever their parents tell them, until they come 'adrift' and they latch onto random pattern matches.
Your April Fool could become the next basis of someone's life changing doctrine.
calmreason 11 months ago
I have to know, since I hear this book being full of logical, reasonable, well-thought out arguments for the existence of Jesus as god, is this really it? Is there nothing more to it than "there must be a lawgiver" and "since Jesus wasn't a liar or crazy, he must be god"?
anglicantian 11 months ago
Unfortunately, the title gave it away too early (I guess you changed the title after April 1st), but it was still good to go through this and see what you'd say. Nice work.
Rationalific 11 months ago
Hrm, I have trouble understanding your mind jumps in this video(It's parody after all). It was fairly easy to spot the joke when the conflicting images of witches,slaves etc were represented with the argument that there's oblivously a timeless moral.
wouterW24 11 months ago
@wouterW24
Well, just remember, they weren't *my* mind jumps: they were C.S. Lewis's. What you just witnessed was me literally summarizing the points of the book as I read them. And, yes, he notoriously jumped from one point to the next without establishing a coherent logical bridge to get there.
Evid3nc3 11 months ago
Nice video, very clever! Your arguments for belief are hilarious and seem so intelligent just the way Christians and creationist like it. I especially liked the sheet of music being a music note example.
thisisaguy 11 months ago
I greatly enjoyed your mockery [or whatever you choose to call it] of the manner in which christians talk about things like this. Put simply, your word choice and attitude in which explaining yourself. :3
If I had seen this, I feel I would've [though I could be mistaken] known it was a joke from about 2 minutes in. The difference [being your word usage and lack of intelligent sounding conversation and reasoning] between this and your atheistic videos is night and day.
assbitchfucky 11 months ago
@evid3nc3 Darn it! Just once, can't you make one mediocre video? One that doesn't knock my socks off or keep me awake thinking at night?! Please stop making me think so hard! You're invading my sleep and my mind drifts during the day when I ought to be concentrating on work... I'm just kidding...You're fast becoming my favorite 'youtubers'! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK. You inspire me! :-)
JonPHX 11 months ago
Trololololo #LOL
ctso74 11 months ago
Good job.
dearashad 11 months ago
Some joke. I'm having a tough time finishing it.
dearashad 11 months ago
Ahaha, this is fantastic.
wearurheart 11 months ago
So, the source of Objective Morality is the Subjective Morality of an God. I like how the concept of heavenly justice doesn't include splitting up the Judging from the Prosecution, nor a system of checks and balances. Feels good that an autocratic system is used as a state motto of a Democracy. :)
llllijentina 11 months ago
You'd make a convincing Poe. *shudder*
spratman7 11 months ago
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spratman7 11 months ago
Thank God you came to your senses.
I knew if I prayed hard enough a miracle would happen.
It's a miracle...the lost sheep has been found, praise God in the highest, I'm calling the Vatican to see if they will substantiate this miracle.
Maybe a Sainthood in it for you...??? You deserve it.
gjsterp 11 months ago
Thus has to be a work.
SmallFrey 11 months ago
Ouch, it was painful to listen to... just like Ray "Comfort". =o)
Paxmax 11 months ago
u know what was really funny? a comment on his channel after he posted this video
"tbh I knew from the start that god wasnt gonna let you go"
mignik01 11 months ago
@mignik01
Yeah, I felt a little guilty about those comments.. lol
Evid3nc3 11 months ago
"so let's just go with... I don't know... how about... God?" HAHAA!! I don't know how you were able to keep a straight face speaking half the script. You should do a serious deconstruction of Mere Christianity one day.
neonsilkworm 11 months ago
I actually took you seriously for a sec :D
thingonthewalludnt 11 months ago
LOL! Great little spoof. You really had me going for a second. The problem with C.S. Lewis' Mere Christianity argument of course is that morality is subjective. If it were objective, then slavery would still be okay, atheists would be immoral evil baby eaters since they don't listen to the "lawgiver", and those damn gays would be in jail or stoned to death for their buggery.
I am convinced that morality is a learned behavior. If it weren't, secular society wouldn't exist.
physalis17 11 months ago
funny and well done
hank1972 11 months ago
yeah guys... read mere christianity.... i began reading it.... c.s.lewis is dumber than santa claus.
De4sher 11 months ago
Haha! You made me scared there for a bit. =)
HimmiJoe 11 months ago
Amusing. :)
Samuraionthewall 11 months ago
Love it. Had me going for about 5sec
w13d3rgEb0r3n 11 months ago
OK!!! I've been had.While listening to the entry, I was thinking, "Why would he pick the least of all possible reasons for a god to exist, much less the Christian version, which is about the most immoral and just plain viscious deity around. And I say with with 8 years of seminary under my belt and more years of post-graduate work at UC Berkeley Theological Union schools than I care to admit to. I'm just slow - but finally realized there is no god. Epiphany!!
leland61 11 months ago
My favorite part of "Mere Christianity" was when Lewis said that atheism was the belief that the world is unjust. But how can injustice exist without justice to compare it to? That's like saying darkness can't exist without light! Checkmate, atheists!
Yudovitch 11 months ago
AHAHA brilliant
CheekyVimto08 11 months ago
I really don't get why mere Christianity is popularly claimed to be a convincing argument when in fact it presents very weak arguments. The moral argument was clearly bad since C.S. Lewis seems unaware of Euthyphro's dilemma. The argument for divinity is embarrassing since he made some unwarranted assumptions. Even philosophically minded theist wouldn't find the arguments by C.S. Lewis Convincing.
philonous09 11 months ago
Great video. CS Lewis is so terribly overrated. He has great wits, though, but none of what he argues for in favor of christianity makes sense unless you are already a christian and accept christian assumptions about reality.
Still, 'The Screwtape Letters' is a great read, whether you're a christian or not.
M4ruta 11 months ago
The subtlety of the sarcasm was almost... beautiful.
nothingnesswithouten 11 months ago
Oh my. If that's about as insightful as Mere Christianity gets, I'm simultaneously grateful that I haven't wasted my time on it, and annoyed that I should probably read it so I can sift through the murky thoughts of the theists I know who are convinced by it.
beriukay 11 months ago
I'll have to look closer at this. I've always thought of morality as something that is taught or learned through social interaction. Morality around the world is clearly very subjective.
ZombieX13 11 months ago
@ZombieX13
Morality is a very complicated subject. While I would say that morality isn't god given. I hesitate to call it subjective per say. There are objective aspects to morality. Things that every human being and animal deal with. Pain for example. A good video to watch on the subject is Sam Harris Science can answer Moral Questions.
Foxcanine1 11 months ago
I was so mad when I saw that you reconverted...until I realized what day it was...you win this round sir :D
Redempt111 11 months ago
'this like saying the sheet music that tells you what notes to play is one of the notes. its exactly like saying that.' HAHA! :) what does that mean? :p
ryan4144 11 months ago
You are so good that you can make bullshit sound convincing.
TheSH1N1GAM1 11 months ago
lol, great april fool's joke
cichytom 11 months ago
should KU SOMA be renamed KOMA?
spiritualbully 11 months ago
omg that link at the end roflmao
Morilore 11 months ago 9
@Morilore
Glad someone enjoyed that :D
Evid3nc3 11 months ago
If Evid3nc3 had been serious about using these arguments for rejoining the Christian fold, I would definitely have gone with "lunatic".
jazzx251 11 months ago
@jazzx251
well you shouldn't. The historical Jesus was not a liar or lunatic.
Therefore is he our Lord?
No.
Guess what?
The historical Jesus never said he was God.
Guess what?
This is taught at all seminaries (except a few hardcore evangelical)
The christology (the divinity given to Jesus) increased as time went by because of the stories being told about him. Thats why in the gospel of John (the LATEST gospel) says he IS God and is regarded as NOT historical but an embellishment by writers
skepticnyc 11 months ago
@skepticnyc
I actually meant Evid3nc3 would have been the "lunatic".
jazzx251 11 months ago
I must admit that I actually was taken in--had the faith that you had fallen back into your old belief pattern. I've followed all of your videos, and this one definetly seemed to show a great degradation in your reasoning process (which probably should have been enough to tip me off), but I also know that faith programming is a powerful force. In this instance, I placed my trust in the latter instinct.
Well played!
freetaught 11 months ago
"God sends humans to hell"
God sent Jesus to be our savior. Rejecting the savior does not entail God sending us to hell, humans do it themselves. Its akin to denying medication, the dr doesnt make you die if you refuse the meds.
Bart Erhman has the best response (a definitive one actually) to Liar lunatic or Lord in "Jesus interrupted."
I'm an atheist btw
I just dont like misrepresentations.
skepticnyc 11 months ago
@skepticnyc
Just so you know, it was C.S. Lewis's argument I was presenting, not mine. On the same token, I'm skeptical how the *creator* of both Hell AND the entire rule that "humans send themselves to hell", the being that set up the entire system to be the way it is, could in any way deny responsibility for sending people to Hell.
Evid3nc3 11 months ago
@skepticnyc
It's absurd as a playwright writing a play and saying he was so upset about the way the play went, that the way it all went was not his fault, and that he was just one of the actors.
Evid3nc3 11 months ago
@Evid3nc3
umm...what? was that a response to me?
skepticnyc 11 months ago
@Evid3nc3
hmm. Free will coupled with accountability for the moral law you spoke of the video would probably be used to make the view of hell coherent.
If not, apologists can simply cower away by saying there other views, namely:
annihilation: there is no hell, you simply end, w/o grace of God
Finite hell: hell is finite
skepticnyc 11 months ago
@skepticnyc It would actually be like if the doctor injected you with a disease, and then wouldn't give you the cure (unless you acknowledged his son as your personal savior). You see... God is the one making the rules.
EDesignman 11 months ago
@EDesignman
I dont see it that way at all.
Life is great to me. It just so happens I believe God does not exist.
I disagree w your parallel completely.
skepticnyc 11 months ago
@skepticnyc
"Life is great to me. It just so happens I believe God does not exist."
I don't think you followed his analogy. The "disease" was "being bound to an eternal Hell when you die unless receiving the cure of Jesus Christ". Not the life we live on earth. So the doctor injects us with the disease then denies the cure unless his conditions are met. And yes, my "playwright" comment was addressed to you.
Evid3nc3 11 months ago