"Oh Lithuania, My Country..." - A Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth

[Nacionalistas1994]

A Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth was good only for poles. Before union, untill Vytautas death we haved bigger teritory than Poland. But poles were older catholics and when we have becamed like them, we were incfluenced by poles. If we wouldn't becomed catholics we would be pagans, thats means that polish culture wouldn't had any influence to uor culture, and we would created modern paganism. We should recreate paganism and create modern paganism.

[ixonixas]

yes Poland-Lithuania commonweath was good... for polish. It was destruction of Lithuania, its language, its culture. Poles wanted that Lithuania would become a region of Poland. And thats the main reason why now most of lithuanians hate poles.

[LemurekPL]

@ixonixas That's, because you believe in lies. You hate Poles, because you are one of biggest xenophobe's in Europe. That is only way, to protect your weak national identity. Lithuanian culture wasn't dominating in GDL, majority of population was ruthenian and don't forget that main language was ruthenian. Polonized GDL nobility was saying about them self "natione Polonus gente Ruthenus". Heritage of GDL is lithuanian, polish and belarusian.

[ixonixas]

@LemurekPL LOL. You are the dumbest, ignorant nation in eastern Europe. Its the fact that it was destruction of our SMALL, but not weak, nation (learn history, jackass, before insulting) and you can't deny it. Every lithuanians who studied history knows what Poland did to us. Only poles think high about this union. But we woudn't be hating poles just becouse of historical events. We hate them becouse of your dumb minority in Vilnius, who consider themselves better then others, just like then...

[LemurekPL]

@ixonixas Since when Grand Duchy of Lithuania is equal with Lithuania?Atfer all you can blame only your self for that what happend during Commonwealth.Your weak culture wasn't able to resist polish and no one was polonizing by force.Then why dominating culture in GDL was ruthenian.You said "every lithuanians who studied history", you should say crop of lies. You are building your identity on that hatred foward Poles, becouse it is only way to defend identity of small nation like your.

[LemurekPL]

@ixonixas That is miracle that you are in EU. Recently you were devastating plates with polish names of streets, while european law says that where minority is majority, there could be plates in both languages. In Poland on Kashubia, we have names in polish and kashubian and no one have problems with it.

[ixonixas]

@LemurekPL That is miracle that YOU are in EU. I don't need to remind german minority and that you did the same for them as we do to polish now, do i? You acting like a history expert, saddly your not. Learn some Lithuania's history, read about how lithuanians language was banned, how foreigners wanted to destroy our culture, our identity and only then go make a comment about it. I don't give a shit about how cool Poland was. I'm talking about my country and all the suffering we went through.

[LemurekPL]

@ixonixas You are comparing what polish communists did to german minority to you. It is own goal. Polish communist killed as well many polish heroes of WWII, they aren't liked. That was another russian occupation. Truth is that before 1883 relation between Poles and Lithuanians were good, but then was relized magazines like "Aušra", which were propagating antypolish contents.

[ixonixas]

@LemurekPL Aušra was propagating antypolish concents? It was one of the first, well maybi nacionalistic, newspaper in Lithuania. Sometimes telling truth shouldn't be called propaganda. Even so that doesn't change the fact that polish minority is the part of Lithuania and they should be living by our rule. BTW most of polish minority disagree with these streets renaming, anti-reformation of polish schools "movement", ect. The ones who doing all the propaganda is polish minorities politicians.

[LemurekPL]

@ixonixas There is only one thing that i will agree with you that polish childrens in Lithuania should pass the same exams for lithuanian language like Lithuanians. Lithuanians in Puńsk (Poland) have names of streets in lithuanian as well and we haven't problems with it like you. Poles aren't forcing Lithuanians to change their surnames. Why Poles in Lithuania can't be treat like Lithuanians in Poland, it would be fair.

[ixonixas]

@LemurekPL they can't, as i said in other post we sufferend enouth and we wan to save our culture and language as a SMALL nation. Poland has over 38 million people, lithuania only has 3. I think polish are not even talking about saving polish language or smth. There is even written in our constitution to deffend our culture and language by law or force if needed.

[LemurekPL]

@ixonixas Everybody want to protect their culture, but your explanation is nonsens. There are ethnic groups, which don't have own country and are able to save their culture. Example of this are Kaszubians, for ages they live between Poles. They are learning own language in schools and they have their own media. Even our primeminister is Kashubian. You have own country and you still need hatred to unite you as Lithuanians?

[ixonixas]

@LemurekPL well these Kashubians don't have their own country, but polish DO!!! If someone don't like my country, they can emigrate. Borders are open, noone is keeping enyone here. And my explanation is right. You cant compare two way too different natios (size, history, maniers, thinking), you can't compare population without their own country and emigrants. So we will never let any kind of minority or watever to do what they wan on our soil. Get used to it or get the fuck out. Peace.

[LemurekPL]

@ixonixas Majority of that Poles live longer in Vilnius than Lithuanians. In 1916 Lithuanians were less 2% of population, this census was made by Germans. This is their home, but some airhead lithuanian nationalists aren't able to understand it.

[ixonixas]

@LemurekPL What? You beeing brainwashed by your OWN nationalists, bro. Gediminas founded Vilnius. Polish was just an imigrants. If so Suwalki should be Lithuania's, becouse its a capital to our region called "suvalkija" (you don't need to be professor to find similarity in words)

[LemurekPL]

@ixonixas It doesn't matter what it was in medieval. Go and read what is so called modern polish nation. Modern polish nation was born in XVIII century as nation of Commonwealth. You talk about Gedimin, his descendants, Czartoryski family is polish. Modern polish nation was created sa well from people with many different origins like german, lithuanian, ruthenian, armenian, jewish, french and many others. Your main problem is that you mentally stopped on medieval times.

[ixonixas]

@LemurekPL maybi becouse i'm talking about Lithuania's HISTORY!? You saying that polish was the first citizens in Vilnius... what the hell? How this even possible? Lithuanians founded Vilnius, lithuanians lived there for ages, but it was a big, capital city, so obviously there lived different nationality people. So look, if Warsaw would be full of germans it means it should belong to German? I don't think so. The point is that lithuanians are a conservative nation and polish are liberals.

[LemurekPL]

@ixonixas Poles, which live there are descendants of polonized Lithuanians. Basicly nobility and majority of citizens of big cities were polonized. Census from 1916 is very good example, made by Germans, who had no bisnes to manipulate it. You aren't able to understand that through Commonwealth, heritage of medieval Lithuania became as well polish.

[LemurekPL]

@ixonixas Many Lithuanians were polonized, becouse polish culture was stronger and lithuanian nationalists started to think about it as main threat for Lithuanians. They preferred to cooparete with Russians during partitions, who were occupants than with Poles, who were suffering the same.

[Tfmachine1991]

Lithuania nobles not consider themselves as Poles. They consider themselves as Lithuanians, but they spoke Polish.

[menosmarco]

Nie dajcie sie Polacy. Walczcie o swoja tozsamosc.

[Technickk1]

Poland , Lithuania one blood.

[Tubus244]

Polska i Litwa powinna być razem!!

[neordinarus]

@Tubus244 Przepraszam za moje okropne polską, ale historia pomieszane wszystko :(

[Miecho024]

Piękny kraj, wspaniała wspólna historia (ta gorzka też) Dlaczego tak dużo Litwinów nas nie lubi? Mają kompleksy jak my na temat Niemców?

[4TFW]

@Miecho024 dont know whether you speak english as moj polski jenzik jest ne bardzo dobri. :) aniways, not that they dont like, its more like always being a minor member of union and everyone always says poland poland and so on pisses people off abit, also that pilsudski thing and vilnius, trakai and suvalkai thing is pretty fresh and really not nice as historically vilnius was capital of lithuania from like 1300 or smth. i guess you get the idea. also hate is for uneducated people.

[LemurekPL]

@4TFW That's becouse Poland was dominating part of union. All Lithuanian nobility and many citizens of big cities were polonized. That's why there are so many Poles around Vilnius even nowdays. Lithuanian nobility thought about them self as Poles. Basicly idea of Poles as nation, was born in XIII age, which mean in the end of Commonwealth. That's why everyone say "Poland, Poland".

[PvPcleric]

@LemurekPL Poland was dominated by king who was Lithuanian Jogaila.There isint alot of poles around Vilnius i cant even find 1 who can speak polish in Vilnius evry1 speaking lithuanian and 1 out of 50-80++ ~ russian.Lithuanian nobility though about them self as lithuanians but they were able to speak write lithuanian belarusian and polish. Go learn history of family roots.You can even take a look at your polish nobility family roots almost all are lithuanians who ruled poland.poles was cavemans

[LemurekPL]

@PvPcleric I was in Vilnius and I met few people, who speak polish (even in restaurant). BTW majority of Poles left Vilnius after WWII. Poles 53.67% (74.466 inhabitants), Jews 41.45% (57.516 inhabitants), Lithuanians 2.09% (2.909 inhabitants), Russians 1.59% (2.219 inhabitants), Germans 0.63% (880 inhabitants), Belarusians 0.44% (644 inhabitants) and others at 0.13% (193 inhabitants), this is census made by Germans in Vilnius in 1916.

[LemurekPL]

@PvPcleric Explain me, why majority of the nobility had surnames with ending "ski" and "cki". It is normal ending of adjectives in polish. You should read something about modern polish nation. Why descendants of nobility, which join to the French army and they were send to Haiti, say that they are Poles. Polish modern nation (people, who think about them self as Poles right now) have many diffrent origins. Lithuanian nobility was polonized and majority of their descendants are Poles.

[LemurekPL]

@PvPcleric For example, I'm Pole, but I have as well German and French origins.

[bigrobcanuck]

@PvPcleric

Poland had many kings from different countries, as did many other European nations. Jagiełło was just one of them. Polish nobles were Poles, as Lithuanian ones were Lithuanian. Over the years many Lithuanian nobles came to consider themselves as Poles.

Your "cavemans" comment is funny at best and ignorant at worst. If you really think like this then you are the last person who should be telling others that they need to go learn history.

[PvPcleric]

@bigrobcanuck Over the years many Lithuanian nobles came to consider themselves as Poles? hahahah are you fucking stupid? WHo sayd that? from where you took this shit !?!?! :D its imposible to be able to know what they thinked 500~ years ago.Lithuanians used polish language and prusian for comunication for trading and sending mail.Stop fucking falsificating history fuck all polish people are so brianwashed makes me sick even thinking about your dman country fuck you !!!

[bigrobcanuck]

@PvPcleric

Just look at the surnames, if they end in "aitis" or "vicius" they are Lithuanian and if not, for example "wicz" or "ski", then its pretty clear.

Brainwashed and f*ing stupid? Even though your ancestors and mine shared a great history over 500 years, the fact that so many Lithuanians have this "thing" for Poles or Poland is proof positive that the Russians succeeded in their divide and conquer tactic and have created a generation in Lithuania comprising intellectual rejects.

[lithuanian12]

@bigrobcanuck And you wonder why so many lithuanians hate poles, with comments like that you are seen as an enemy, someone trying to destroy the history the pride of the Lithuanian people. Lithuanian nobles didn't consider themselves poles, Poles gained political favor and relations soured after the death of vytautas, fact is poles were controlling most of the land previously owned by Lithuania and refused to share, by the 1940s even attempting to take there capital a symbol of lithuanian pride

[bigrobcanuck]

@lithuanian12

You are incorrect on all your points except that where Lithuanians have a seemingly hate-on for Poles. Many Lithuanian nobles came to consider themselves Poles, just as Belorussian and Ukrainian ones did. Ever read about Jeremy Wisniowiecki? You should.

Poland and then the commonwealth was the most tolerant and inclusive (read: sharing) nation in all of Europe. By the 1940s only Germans and Russians were clamouring for Vilnius. Someone has taught you history very poorly.

[AAlliizzee77]

The chant is superb unfortunately very short.

[verdefull]

I'm lithuanian and she speak not very good....I allmost uderstand what she said in Lithuanian nd shes not lithuanian

[fredenfelds]

very good,but its too short

[szagrir]

mógłby ktoś znający język litewski przetłumaczyć słowa piosenki śpiewanej w filmie?

could somebody who speaks Lithuanian translate lyrics of the song from this video, please?

[LaukineShiaure]

It is hard to translate because it is very archaic way of singing where two groups of people are singing the same just other group start to sing about half word later then other so it creates such very specific sounding. In Lithuania such thype of singing we call "sutartine"