Lisbon Treaty Lesson 101
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  • wow..... that is a baaaaaaad podcast..... they really do make irish citizens look like idiots

    bbphnix 10 months ago

  • VOTE NO!!!!!!! FUCK FEMA NWO AN THR ILLUMINATI

    MRshoz1 1 year ago

  • I 'm wondering why Ireland is now begging for EU's financial Aid?

    andresobotta 1 year ago

  • Hang the treasonous bitch!

    GordonsAllSeeingEye 2 years ago

  • Long live Europe!!!

    Kernelpanic76 2 years ago

  • Samndrea should really take a valium. See her comment below....

    padraigomairtin 2 years ago

  • 2-1 in favour of Lisbon. That's the reality of the situation. And that represents a total of 1,200,000 voters.

    1957Rotu 2 years ago

  • 67% yes you cunts, stick that in you pipes you stupid cunts

    MARK00006805 2 years ago

  • I know, imagine 32.9% got it wrong?

    BLOW IT OUT YOUR ASS.

    urfadder 2 years ago

  • Good arguement! Did you see all the people that bought Britney Spear's first album? They did that without any economic fear!

    Oh yes, there's no shortage of stupid people in the world who will do what they are told!

    MCSmudgeEIRE 2 years ago 2

  • Irish People Unite! Once again you are called upon to defend yourself from an invading army. But this Army is camouflaged. Vote Against the Lisbon Treaty. Protect your rights!

    samndrea 2 years ago 4

  • shut up

    limerickgreen 2 years ago

  • Samndrea you're so right. The EU army have reached my house and they're telling my I have to have an abortion. I tried to explain that I'm not pregnant and am a guy but they won't listen. What am I to do????? Oh no! Now they're privatising the health service!!! SOMEBODY PLEASE HELP!!!! If only we had listened to you and voted No.

    padraigomairtin 2 years ago

  • urfadder, remember to celebrate this day when ur filing euro fed and irish taxes each year. make sure u are on time. 2 for the price of one with this deal. ur going to love it. these fat cat politicians are all for it. yeah they are going to be taxing ur little ass out of existence. enjoy and celebrate!

    frankwillissa 2 years ago

  • URFADDER question have u read the treaty?

    its not a question of trusting...those people you trust have put ireland into a recession!or have you forgotten..all the promises these people give are for their own benefit..non of them legally binding and theres not a dam bit of differnece anyone can do to stop it if it is ratified. no provision of constitution can over rule the treaty that is what the treaty says is that what u want?

    soneill543 2 years ago

  • i read the sovereign indenpendant---EU flags popping up like swastikas? hell yeah theres one put up outside my school!!

    that retard urfadder is leaving that comment on all these lisbon videos-why the fuck would I be conviced about the lisbon treaty just becaues the government tell us its good?

    TheCommieslayer 2 years ago 2

  • The majority of people have not read this treaty so why vote yes?you wouldnt sign a life changeing contract you didnt read its the same thing only a total fucking idiot would vote yes

    1mrwolf1 2 years ago 3

  • i have to go now,its a 4 hour drive back home to vote.......fingers crossed for a no,if you actually study this lisbon treaty you will actually see how many countries have to be in it, in order for it to work,and well just look at the Treatys,its all about control,and who is in and who is not,it kinda reminds me of a playground.......the way kids push each other around,a bunch of kids in the EU pushing a fat kid in the Dail around,why do they pick on the fat kids?

    Elevationary 2 years ago

  • People who've GENUINLY read the treaty.

    corruptiblelogistics 2 years ago

  • Yeah good luck in reading the treaty! It's unreadable!

    However, if you go on Jens-Peter Bonde's website (a Danish MEP) he has attempted to make a consolidated text in pdf format that is free for anyone to read.

    00000Dean00000 2 years ago

  • Anyone who thinks democracy is a good thing will be voting No.

    youknowimright1 2 years ago 6

  • Wow, nice use of powerpoint.

    You definitely changed my mind.

    Nutters.

    urfadder 2 years ago

  • nobody gives a crap what u think. nimrod!

    frankwillissa 2 years ago

  • In which case my friend I would have been glad to expound my "theories" to which you so elouently alluded. See there I would be able to talk to you one on one and this would not be some sophistry where i felt that either of our intentions were sullied in trying to influence ppl. Peace eh?

    ArmoricanBoy 2 years ago

  • Don't worry mate, i'm not trying to solicit you. Believe. Anyway as i asked, have you checked out what i was talking about?

    ArmoricanBoy 2 years ago

  • Veracity lol

    ArmoricanBoy 2 years ago

  • Do you still think the EU is something you'd like to cuddle up to ?

    Google these sites :

    Project Indect (EU funded project to monitor You-tube,Facebook,blogs,PC's etc.for "abnormal behaviour")

    EGF (EUs Para-military)

    Sitcen (EUs secret service)

    Europol (EU cops granted immunity)

    European Arrest Warrant (now being abused for non-serious crime.See : Fair Trials international).

    No decent,freedom loving European wants this kind of EU !

    Say NO 2 Big Brother and Lisbon !

    Spenner56 2 years ago

  • Yesforworkers, have you only just joined youtube now? for what purpose? The handle for god sake. Get out you trolls. Im an ordinary guy who has no agenda and i'm votin no. And there are many reasons. Who is anyone else to tell a person what their reasons should or should'nt be. The Treaty itself is Linguistic Deconstruction pure and simple.

    ArmoricanBoy 2 years ago

  • You've got google, you've got Chomsky(Linguistics professor, M.I.T).

    Go figure. If your really serious I can hold your hand but i'd prefer you did your own research as I'm not trying to influence you.

    Neither am I interested in getting into a lengthy debate on an opinion I am quite entitled to with someone who does'nt know what I am referring to. When you know what it is maybe we could dialogue further if you want to refute the varacity of my Opinion.

    ArmoricanBoy 2 years ago

  • Perfectly calm friend. I'm just not getting involved in argueing, im just a randomer pointing out random things. Did you check out what i was talking about?? Personally i'm delighted if it was interest you were showing in (not my theories, i could'nt take credit for that) what i said. But if I were you and i was that interested i'd have googled the term. It would have been quicker and not clogged up all this debating space for other people. You could have also private msg'd me. :) Toodles!

    ArmoricanBoy 2 years ago

  • On September 3rd 2008, in a ruling striking down an EU Regulation freezing terrorist assets (following UNSC Resolution 1267 demanding a freeze), the ECJ said "an international agreement cannot affect the allocation of powers fixed by the Treaties or, consequently, the autonomy of the Community legal system.". So there you have it: the ECJ's declaration of EU independence from international law. The govt call the guarantees an international-agreement.

    mango2005 2 years ago

  • NO TO LIES - NO TO LISBON

    Don't trust the our self-serving Elite who want to sell the country for a few Euros!

    TheEuropeanAgenda 2 years ago 2

  • "yesforworkers", your post is rich in irony given you support a Treaty that will give Britain a 12% say in my country's laws, compared to a 0.8% say for Irish politicians, You are hunting with the fox and running with the hounds.

    mango2005 2 years ago

  • Nice one WACI. "Yesforworkers", explain to me why Spanish unemployment doubled to 18% after they voted no, and why we should believe Dick Roche who said 'there is no reason to believe that large numbers will come' during Nice II. Nice II and the ECB's one-size-fits-all interest rates, together with a FF govt in league with the builders, are responsible for this mess. Trying to blame the Irish people for it is nothing short of a scandal.

    mango2005 2 years ago

  • (part II)

    I inform myself all the time and I have no interest in smearing the No side, just exposing the audacious lies that they circulate.

    As for Nick Griffin, I resent the fact that a bigoted englishman is involving himself in the politics of my country.

    yesforworkers 2 years ago

  • Most of my comments weren't addressed to you. I also doubt that you resent Nick Griffin, in fact you're probably delighted he's involved so you can smear the no side the vast majority of whom are not interested in his policies.

    As for Eamonn Dunphy he's a sports pundit.

    The guarantees don't change one dot or comma in the treaty.

    WeAreChangeIreland 2 years ago

  • I have no idea what faux-outrage is, and I have no interest in responding to all of your comments because you post about a dozen to every one that I put up. But I will respond to the last few-

    the treaty is fundamentally different because 46% of people who voted no last time did so on the basis of concerns that have been addressed in the guarantees. You might have noticed that over the weekend arch-sceptic Eamonn Dunphy came out and said he was changing his mind from No to Yes this time.

    yesforworkers 2 years ago

  • The ECJ cannot touch Irish tax, that's in international and European law now, so that will never happen.

    There were several reasons why multinatioanals came to Ireland- low tax rate, good infrastructure, stable political environment, educated workforce, EU membership.

    If we delete any one of these reasons, such as Eu membership (or sitting on the sidelines of Europe, which is what we'll be doing), they will leave.

    That's why i'm voting Yes for jobs.

    yesforworkers 2 years ago

  • Ireland- more investment from the US than India.....China....Brazil-COMB­INED.

    If we vote no all of these multinational companies- the Hewlett Packards,Intels, Googles etc will have no interest in investing in Ireland.

    They want to base themselves in a country that has a voice in Europe.

    If we vote No we're essentially voting for all of these companies to gradually leave.

    That's why Lisbon is good for workers,because it hangs a big 'open for business' sign over our tattered economy.

    yesforworkers 2 years ago

  • Plain and simple arguments, the truth in a nutshell, great. Support for Merkel has significantly dropped in germany. So one of the big supporters of lisbon in the EU might fall. Most germans as well as most europeans would vote against lisbon. Do it for us, irish people. NO to lisbon means NO to lisbon. May God bless you..

    Frydward 2 years ago

  • Irish history has shown that in the face of outside non-Irish oppression that has been pressed upon the people of Ireland that only the Irish from Ulster have had the balls and fortitude to stand up to these foreign filth that would impose their will upon the people of Ireland.

    Anyone care to take me up on the argument or are your heads too heavy with the guilt of betrayal?

    Little wonder - we travelled South to fight for you and you won't even fight for yourselves.

    begorrahsreturn 2 years ago

  • IRELAND PLEASE VOTE NO

    mtst71 2 years ago

  • NO NO NOOOOO!!!!!!!!

    anotherjadedfool 2 years ago

  • I'm voting NO.

    Sambucca 2 years ago

  • By the way, has anyone noticed the comments lower down by 'Ukipwebmaster'????

    the one thing I agree with all of you guys on, whatever about Lisbon is a love for the country. how can you call yourselves nationalists if you're doing the dirty work of the United Kingdom Independence party??!! They want a return to the old imperialist britain.

    If u want proof, just check out their website- there's a nice picture of britain in the top right hand corner, complete with the entire Island of Ireland!

    yesforworkers 2 years ago

  • Isn't it incredible that UKIP respected our NO vote while our spineless politicians rejected it on the very day we voted.

    WeAreChangeIreland 2 years ago

  • WACI - the irony is that if the 26 counties had kept their fiscal snozzel out of the arse-bangers trough of the EU and retained the Punt then the commie (self-aggrandising and pocket-lining) cunts in Dáil Éireann would have been better armed against the 'recession' whereby those traitorous scum together with Banc Ceannais na hÉireann could have devalued the currency.

    begorrahsreturn 2 years ago

  • It fucking pisses me off that the majority of people (North & South) haven't a baldy fuckin' clue about basic economics and they entrust their all in the hands of a few arrogant, fat-arsed, traitorous sons of whores who would sell you a goat and swear it was a pig.

    Give that verbose prick Kenny a chance with the proviso that a referendum be put to the people (as enshrined in Bunreacht na hÉireann) to ABOLISH PR elections,

    Fianna Fáil have DESTROYED Ireland.

    begorrahsreturn 2 years ago

  • You mean our "votes" are respected by UKIP surely? Can't say the same for our own politicians though who have contrived against the voters before the results were even in. Nor Barrosso or Sarkozy who called us "bloody fools". Are you proud of that?

    WeAreChangeIreland 2 years ago

  • well, a lot of people in Ireland have become greedy. It's one thing I noticed when I came back. That's why Coir are targeting the lowering of the minimum wage etc.

    squidcreek 2 years ago

  • The strategy for the yes side last time was to ignore the contents of the treaty, demonize the no side and speak in generalities about the EU. The same thing is happening this time again only now they've introduced all these 'personality' groups to try and sell the treaty for them. FF/FG/Lab/GP they're all the same.

    The Coír posters have provoked real debate about the EU. Whereas the yes sides posters are full of lies about jobs, the economy and being kicked out of the EU.

    WeAreChangeIreland 2 years ago

  • No, it's probably not going to happen unless the ECJ decide that minimum wages distort free movement. However there's a lot of media debate recently about our min wage being too high, so it looks like it's going to be reduced.

    The yes side lies about jobs/the economy and being kicked out of the EU are not being exposed by the msm, all the attacks are against the no side, same as last year.

    WeAreChangeIreland 2 years ago

  • Now we have the EU using propaganda ads in cinemas and going into schools to campaign about the 'benefits' of the EU. It's starting to reveal itself as the sinister organization it is, that doesn't take no or allow dissent. I hope this treaty is defeated before we are trapped in this nightmare federation.

    WeAreChangeIreland 2 years ago

  • Rubbish, there was no provisions in the treaties to allow our fishing waters be taken over but the EU (EEC) done it anyway. They done the same with our social welfare and immigration policies through the free movement of people directive. The laval judgement has undermined union wages. Can you predict what judgements they are going to make in the future?

    btw you haven't said anything about the lies on the yes posters so I assume you are happy with those lies.

    WeAreChangeIreland 2 years ago

  • I've already addressed this issue, the EU/ECJ have a long history of claiming competence they are not supposed to have. I've given you 3 examples of this and can give more if you want.

    You are using the typical yes side tactic of demanding specific Articles in the treaty while ignoring the history of competence creep and ECJ judgements.

    Now are you going to show how we can be kicked out of the EU? or how the treaty will give us jobs and save the economy?

    WeAreChangeIreland 2 years ago

  • The government introduced legislation at the time of the Nice Treaty to stop social welfare tourism and stop anyone entering the country from receiving SW for 2 years. This was overturned by the free movement of people directive in 2004. So you haven't a clue what you're talking about.

    One of the main subtexts of the yes side is that we are voting to remain in the EU, hence the deceptive posters about needing to be in the EU.

    WeAreChangeIreland 2 years ago

  • I've already given you an account of how our social welfare legislation was usurped. Go look up the Directive 38/EC/2004, I'm not going to do your work for you.

    I've already addressed the minimum wage issue and ECJ judgements so I don't know why you keep repeating that I should provide evidence that it cannot come about. Why don't you look into your crystal ball and tell me why it can't? Are you now predicting all future ECJ judgements and on what basis?

    WeAreChangeIreland 2 years ago

  • "If a person has been resident for less than two years they will be presumed not to be habitually resident and it is up to them to prove otherwise, however even if they have been in the country for two years they may not necessarily meet all the requirements of habitual residency"

    I can't provide a link on this forum.

    WeAreChangeIreland 2 years ago

  • The quote I posted was from the NCCRI, I can't post a link as Youtube doesn't allow it. I've already said that the Directive undermined this legislation, this was included in Article 24, among others, of the Directive.

    WeAreChangeIreland 2 years ago

  • Coir are putting up posters that are pure lies.

    Why does its "1.84 minimum wage after Lisbon" poster have a question mark after it??

    because it's a complete and utter fabrication. It's referring to a dispute between Germany and Latvia.

    Don't be fooled by this people

    yesforworkers 2 years ago

  • UKIP and BNP are not racists. That's just a smear campaign ran by Labor in the UK

    squidcreek 2 years ago

  • of course it's part of the issue. They're big backers of the 'no' campaign in Ireland

    squidcreek 2 years ago

  • They do, as does UKIP, but they are smeared as racists in England by Labor so anti-lisbon parties like Sinn Fein and reform EU parties like Libertas can't ally with them.

    squidcreek 2 years ago

  • Do you have any idea who Nick Griffin is??

    Check out his wikipedia. he's a racist. And don't tell me it's a conspiracy. he's just a racist.

    yesforworkers 2 years ago

  • I don't know or care who Nick Griffin is but I do know who destroyed this country, the exact same people who are telling us we need to vote yes.

    Btw you should look at some of the vested interests and shady contacts of Pat Cox and Peter Sutherland, two of the main yesmen supposedly looking out for the interests of this country.

    WeAreChangeIreland 2 years ago

  • The subtext is implicit that we're either in or out if you won't acknowledge that then you are being deceptive. You also talk about a two tier Europe, please explain how that can come about?

    Also explain how Lisbon will provide jobs and economic security? and what is meant by 'safety' in the yes posters?

    WeAreChangeIreland 2 years ago

  • I've answered every question you've asked but you like to be in the driving seat by asking the questions and ignoring the answers I've given you repeatedly. Now you're playing the 'polite' game. I've answered your questions are you going to do likewise?

    WeAreChangeIreland 2 years ago

  • You're not interested in informing yourself, you're here to smear the no side hence your reference to Nick Griffin and UKIP.

    Your being polite is a game in that you are using faux outrage at my tame comments.

    I see you haven't answered any of my questions re yes posters lies, agh well didn't expect you would. Better to keep the no side on the backfoot and ignore the yes lies.

    WeAreChangeIreland 2 years ago

  • I've given you a quote and the source of the article and told you Yt doesn't allow links, this is the heading:

    "Proposed Changes in the Social Welfare Code Arising from EU Enlargement"

    I've also given you an Article from the Directive which undermined this legislation.

    It's clear you aren't going to address the yes side lies and are just repeating yourself at this stage. There's no point debating any further if this is your position.

    WeAreChangeIreland 2 years ago

  • I did not change my position and why are you putting sentences in quotes which I never said? The 2 year habitual residence no longer applies to the SW payments I referred to in the article. You can look up the Welfare site to confirm this.

    You talked about a two tier Europe, how would that come about? Do you consider that to be a lie? Or yes for jobs, is that a lie?

    WeAreChangeIreland 2 years ago

  • Every politician in Ireland respected the last No vote. And if we say No again they'll respect that too. UKIP only respect anything that goes along with their way of thinking, they don't give two hoots about what you want. Have a look at their website- a nice little picture of Ireland in their map of Britain in the corner.

    yesforworkers 2 years ago

  • Really, so how come we're being asked to vote again ON THE EXACT SAME TREATY?

    WeAreChangeIreland 2 years ago

  • We are asked to vote "no" again becasue the boys who support the yes vote have not learned the Meaning of "no" from their partners,Sarcozy:Madame can we do it again.....Lady:NO im tired!!!,Sarcozy:why not,i pay you alot of money,i look after you,Lady:i know you do,but your very small........,put it away its embarassing,Sarcozy:you Bitch,ill wait till you are asleep and then ill pounce like french snail...........

    Elevationary 2 years ago

  • Well, the referendum will be passed tomorrow.

    I suppose you guys are just going to have to suck it up...

    BetamaxLives03 2 years ago

  • we will see,smart man.

    Elevationary 2 years ago

  • Lisbon has nothing to do with our sovereignty people. There is a special article inserted which allows us to leave whenever we want. i voting yes because it's good for workers and because we can leave whenever we want.

    yesforworkers 2 years ago

  • We can leave the EU tomorrow if we want as there's nothing stopping us. Under Lisbon we would have to give two years notice and negotiate withdrawl while being powerless for those two years. In the former USSR any country could also withdraw but it never happened because they always had the party leaders in positions of power.

    WeAreChangeIreland 2 years ago

  • Ireland recieves more foreign direct investment from the US than China, Brazil and Russia combined. If we left Europe we would lose all our foreign direct investment. It would be mad to leave Europe tomorrow if we have any interest in keeping our jobs.

    yesforworkers 2 years ago

  • Your a yesman troll, voting yes has nothing to do with jobs and you're playing on people's fears. Take your trolling somewhere else or provide evidence that voting yes will somehow secure jobs.

    Btw Spain ratified the treaty and they now have 18% unemployment. So take you fearmongering somewhere else, the people are starting to see through the lies.

    WeAreChangeIreland 2 years ago

  • Love it!

    ukipwebmaster 2 years ago

  • VOTE NO TO LISBON!

    Every vote counts and the next generation is counting on us!!!

    ireland2day 2 years ago 2

  • Yes the next generation is counting on us to actually leave a functioning economy where they do not need to emigrate to other countries for a job!

    Protect the economy! Give it hope!. Vote Yes for god sake!

    jwwhite021 2 years ago

  • Protect the economy?

    By having it run by dubious foreign crooks and criminals?

    DEFEND YOUR PEOPLE AND NATION VOTE NO.

    ireland2day 2 years ago 2

  • If The government had their way we'd probably be all speaking french or german to make those smarmy european bastards seem more at home. it seems nazis are not dead after all with europe calling the shots. steps have to be taken to make sure the e.u. won't get their way anymore, or else our children will end up marrying foreigners, its bad enough that all those stinking polish are around the place without the french coming here too, the place will stink.

    SpecterReflector 2 years ago

  • There are genuine reasons to oppose Lisbon without resorting to this rubbish. Frankly, you sound like a provocateur.

    WeAreChangeIreland 2 years ago

  • i got a 10 page booklet from the referendum commission , 5 pages as gailege 5 in english ! explaining the lisbon treaty ! has anybody seen the lisbon treaty ? its like 4 phone books thick !

    if lisbon passes , fianna fail are free to lumber ireland with 90 billion euros of Nama debt ,

    vote NO for your grandchildrens sake !

    onlygoodhunsadeadun1 2 years ago 5

  • VOTE NO TO LISBON!

    Every vote counts and the next generation is counting on us!!!

    PatriotsGame 2 years ago 4

  • Scotland has been denied the say by anti democratic traitors. please vote NO ireland - for all of us!

    stevenmccaw 2 years ago 2

  • PLEASE IRELAND VOTE FOR NO!!!!!!!!!

    germany doesn't give his citizens the possibility to vote!!!!!!!!

    tunisianplaya 2 years ago

  • Brilliant !! Yes the Govt are patronising -- VOTE NO !!!

    decbroadcaster 2 years ago

  • awesome im voting yes lol no way NO for me

    steelundergrounder 2 years ago

  • Nice. Vote no for sure.

    Put those links over there >

    Would you?

    Typamango 2 years ago 2

  • Vote No.

    bravehartmman 2 years ago 4

  • what he said!

    cptstartrek02 2 years ago

  • When lisbon came areound the first time I was actively against it, I rang Pat McKenna and asked her did she see Bilderberg written all over it, she replied, "yes without a doubt"

    antogrimes85 2 years ago 6

  • 5 star ending ;)

    GlobalStranger 2 years ago 5

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