"sep" 0507 = responded to me & then BLOCKED ME ...like all far left loons always do! What is their goal here? To lecture the rest of us into staying at work till age 90 & being forced to pay most of our wages into their "fun in the sun at age 50 retirement"..???.. NO THANKS THE GOVERNMENT UNION THUG$ TAKE MONEY FOR THEIR MEMBER$ THAT WA$ NEVER PAID IN & SKIM IT OFF THE RE$T OF U$! = WE ARE NOT DOING IT ANYMORE! ....get 3 jobs like the rest of us & work till you drop dead
@memama2 You lying MORON!. You weren't blocked by me. You were OWNED by me. My superior intelligence was too great for your feeble mind to comprhend. When are you going to connect your left and right brain together and think for yourself instead of listening to Koch brothers talking points provided to you by Walker and his cronies? Get an education and you won't have to work 3 jobs! LOL You must be the poster boy for "No Child Left Behind!"
sep0507 - ah the head of pure obama popcorn always exposes itself in the end ~ *plink* (would that edumacation be costing ME MORE TAXE$? For owebummer to give ya?) ...yah yaa betcha
@memama2 No comment on catching you LYING about being blocked? Guess you tend to overlook the lies and continue to spout moronic rhetoric. Maybe you're too far gone to be educated.
sep0507 - so you could BLOCK or unblock someone? And then "claim" you never did? hmmmm.....the best part of all this is you liberal whinners getting your hand slapt BIG TIME= out of the cookie jar of coins you have been skimming all these years. And having it taken from you pension goobs. And put back on the shelf behind THESE FANTASTIC REPUBLICAN RULE MAKERS = meaning you gotta save a whole lot a money now (like the rest of us have been forced to do because of the pension ponzi scams going on)
@memama2 I wouldn't know, I never blocked or unblocked you. The fantatstic republican rules makers? That's a laugh. Aren't they the opnes for creating the worst economic disaster sinse the Depression? I know you try to blame Barney Frank, go back a little further and try and remember how Phil Graham of Texas skuttled Glass/Steegle at his wifes behest, a big shot at Enron. There were NO derivitives at the time, but Wall Street created them soon after and FUCKED all of us. And you WORSHIP them?
sep0507 - the far left demorats have stolen the tax payers money since their party began. They lie & con & promise the DIMS they put into office - more support will be coming toward their corropocrats scam-pains! BUT IF THEY GET IN? ....they have to sign the big fat pensions their union thugs slap down in front of dim official. THU$? = the $TATE$ & Nation is now broke because of their scim scam flim flam (like how owebummer slunk in)
@memama2 If what you say is true, where did the money go? Republican admins have hurt the middle class from Reagan to this day. They're reverse Robin Hoods. They take from the poor and give to the rich! If any one has stolen the taxpayers money, try blaming the repuklicans! Unions are the only entity standing up for the middle class. At least until these renegade morons took office in Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan, etc;. Their agendas are clearly anti middle class. Are you THAT ignorant?
sep0507 - the money is being scammed into a pension being paid to "retired" government workers from Age 50 to Age 109! & all their medical costs & various assorted benefits. YOUR PLAN? Was to cause the rest of the non union workers to pay into these multi million dollar pensions with them WORKING until they dropped dead on the job (and now owebummer plans on stealing their investment money in mass taxes to add to his pensionaires ponzi scam) ...yer an obot idiot & cryin about WHERE'$ MY MONEY
@memama2 My Plan? How about YOUR plan. You pay into SS at a lower rate than union members pay into their pension fund. REMOVE the word PENSION and replace it with Social Security, you wouldn't be arguing your point. You would ACCEPT the fact that each worker is entitled to SS. But since they have a pension fund, and are NOT entitled to SS, you've got a problem? You're out on a limb all by yourself. The majority of taxpayers in this country have NO problem with unions OR public employees. IDIOT!
sep0507 = How much are "they" paying into their pensions fund smart arse? You seem to know! What am I paying? Add on all the golden medical care union thugs got listed as ANOTHER allowable benefit? PLEA$E...list out the maximum pension dues (paid per year) Thanks!
@memama2 100%, smart ass! How can that be? Because the "contributions" consist of money that employees chose to take as deferred wages – as pensions when they retire – rather than take immediately in cash. You're hung up on "union thugs" when the real thugs occupy the govenors mansion and the peoples houses! If you were stupid, I'd feel sorry for you. But you're just IGNORANT of the facts. Now you know.
sep0507 = so you pay IN $50.00 a month? And that will be your monthly pension when you retire? (are you deferring any taxes as well?) Is that how that works? YOU are the reason I do not want to pay any "taxes" = they just go down the State & federal pension drain hole for your cozy early retirement! (and golden health care costs I pay also)
@sep0507 sorry, but when people say things that are true, it always shows in how angry the other person reacts. You sound pissed and have to call the other guy names and capitalize ignorant. Scott Walker clearly just wants everyone to hate him because it makes his job easier to be hated.
@Faygo069 Oh, he's hated all right. And it'll come out at the next election. And don't criticize me for saying the obvious. Some people are just too thick skulled to listen to reason, let alone the truth.
Well Scott Walker gave the Dems the upper hand in Wisconsin. Lots of Independents are now saying they will be voting democrat. A good percentage of republicans have come out and said they do not approve of Walker. Even some of the real righties have defected to the left. On top of that there were so many highschool and college kids their and they will be voting now too.
This feels like a win, but I have a feeling long term this was a BIG mistake. They should have done it less dirty I think.
@TheMasterTate I know many Independents and MANY who want collective bargaining rights for public unions dismantled. They also want contracts to be rewritten, if they are not favoring the city and are instead breaking the city. When the details of what is going on is broken down, the majority still favor the removal of collective bargaining for benefits for public workers. In the long term the more that is known, the more people are assured that they made the right decision this past Nov 2010
FACT: around 400k people are members/represented by unions in WI. There's around 5M people in WI. They're definitely the minority, I'd say 10% of the population opposing this bill. They're definitely drowning out the voices of MILLIONS of taxpayers and real middle class families in WI. ONCE AGAIN: UNIONS MAKE UP LESS THAN 10% OF THE MIDDLE CLASS, NOT TO MENTION WORK FORCE IN WI. Stop making this seem like an 'attack' on WI. 13 yrs old and I realize these obvious facts that my teacher's dont.
@20012607 good little bit of research and math, but you are assuming that the only people that oppose Walker's agenda are union members. Non-union wages and benefits are based off of what Union members are getting, so this bill is attacking more people than just the union members. I don't really believe the passing of the bill is going to save as much as Walker claims. My teacher at the local technical college told our class that he already pays more than what the bill states
@hammercore So RIGHT you are! I'm sure 70% of Wisconsonites who opposed Walker and his cronies power grab can't be all union members. Nor can they be all democrats. They're just ordinary citizens who cried foul after this corporate stooge trampled the rights of the public workers. Anyone with half a brain knows that all bosses aren't always right or fair, so what makes the public sector bosses any different? Unions have made the middle class a better place for all, union or non-union workers.
sep0507 - government workers should have no more RIGHT$ than any good business man watching over his company and making sure there is profit and the people working FOR HIM = realize they better work to the highest standards and be able to produce for the company & DO THAT DAILY! Otherwise their raise? Or employment? Is quite doubtful. Government unions scammed the Nation & States along with the demorat's in office to PAY BACK those votes in unsustainable "huge" pensions & beefed up benefits
@memama2 That's your opinion,nothing more. Maybe YOU choose to take the risks of working for a less educated boss than yourself. Maybe YOU choose to work somewhere that has no regard for employee safety. Maybe YOU choose to be oppressed by management that sees you as a number, and not a person, easily replaceable at their whim, for no reasons that even YOU can't figure out. Unions PROTECT worker rights. No union, no rights. What's so diificult to understand?
This shows you how bad the GOP is and how ratical they work. Just brake the law if you want to force some shi**y legislation down are throats. Scott Fitzgerald and his buddies have got to go. It is also time to RECALL WALKER!
@rjl1184 What breaking of the law? The GOP Senators just removed the part of the law that pertained to fiscal matters and then were able to vote on it, while keeping within the law. Besides in IN they tried the same type of legislation and it worked. The budget is under control there and public sector workers still saw their wages increase. Thanks to the alliance between public employee unions and their Democrat politicians as allies, budgets are going out of control. That has to stop.
@Aegius That is in WI and states other than IN the alliance between public employee unions and their Democrat politicians as allies, budgets have gotten out of control. That has to stop and tax payers are fed up. Enter the TEA Party.
@philip0460 I never said "commie libs". I state facts. Liberals are intolerant. That is why they cry "Shame, Shame!", use death threats, destroy things at rallies, interrupt hearings, all for "rights" that aren't rights at all. Facts are facts. Scram. Go protest something else. Like I don't know, gay hatred in the Middle East? Go back to work.
@Aegius I'm a lower-class blue-collar guy. My entire family is. You deserve every dollar you make. Keep it. Don't let anyone take it from you, you understand? It is not THEIR money, it is YOURS!
@ZergSpawnSC2Armory What?! You are a working stiff who thinks for himself and takes care of his family rather than allow yourselves to become drug addicts to gov money as the Lefties want you to?
Shame on you! Shame on you! (only joking around. I really like your attitude. That is the attitude that will save the country.)
@Aegius It's called free market and your basic rights. It is YOUR property. It is YOUR money. It is YOUR life. It is not for anyone, regardless of the reason, to take it from you. You should give money because you want to, not because Lazy-Joe or Man-In-A-Suit says you don't deserve it. Screw these entitlements. Screw these selfish, stuck up bozos who put themselves before anyone else. SHAME, SHAME, SHAME!
@ZergSpawnSC2Armory What?! Didn't u know that via social justice gov is supposed to take your hard-earned money away and give it to someone else who did NOTHING to earn it? Didn't u know that the money is supposedly to be held collectively and then distributed equally(which has always led to disastrous failures: early American colonies, Brooke Farm, New Heavan in IN, at attempt in Scotland)? Didn't u know that u have the right to other people's labor: doctors, nurses, etc.?(I'm being facetious.)
You proved my point, thank you. Only if you have money you're not a loser in your world. Ghadaffi is a millionaire... I suppose he's not a loser cause he has money LOLOL.
@wordwarrior42 You're right. They were stupid. Walker's legislation passed by 11 votes and the Dems had an extra 14 votes. What idiots! If they stayed in WI, they would have stopped Walker's legislation from passing!
I believe that USA should not depend on taxing the so called "RICH" to get in shape economically. 80% of the tax revenue comes from the upper 5%. To me they have their fair share. I am teaching my kids to always depend on themselves and not government, unions, etc. We live in a free country. If you don't like working for a certain employer, find a better on. Trust in yourself.
That is the biggest crock of shit I have ever heard in my entire life. I have family members who went through years of college and can't get a job. Why? Because it's cheaper to hire someone for 3.50 an hour in China. Is that how much you would like to earn per hour? LOL
@philip0460 The world is changing. You need to wake up. When Change is necessary, not to change is destructive. Back in the old days, it was the norm for the people to work as a farmer. They didn't need college degree to survive. Since US is a dynamic country, it participated in the industry revolution. Those farmer boys had to adjust and get a college degree. We are in a new era now. You cannot protect the "farmer" forever. The same way, US companies have to be lean to compete with China.
@philip0460 One more thing. Do you know that IPAD will be sold for $5000 if all components are made in US. Thank God that not all components are made in USA. We can buy it now for $500. Open your eyes and be bold to compete. Do NOT hide too long under those union leader armpits ! Be valuable and start to make contribution to the marketplace
So you're for outsourcing? We should compete but not by making our workers work for peanuts either. How about the working conditions of Chinese workers? You think that's cool? Would you like to work under those conditions?
@philip0460 The working conditions for the Chinese workers are improvements over prior conditions and they at least have jobs. That means it is a vast improvement.
@philip0460 Before badmouthing them, You should go to China yourself. They are more capitalist that USA now. Poor people is always everywhere but China makes millionaires and billionaires at FASTEST rate than any other country now. FYI, we borrow a lot of money from China and spent it like crazy. IF USA fails to attract new investments, the country future is over. They will dictate us and there is nothing we can do.
When ever you create millionaires and billionaires...there are going to be millions that are getting underpaid for their hard work.
400 Americans have more money that the bottom 155,000,000 Americans total wealth combined!
And they didn't earn it working their fingers to the bone, they got it working Americans hard and underpaying them, they got it by sending their jobs to even more underpaid workers in India, China and other third world countries.
@TankerUSA Is there any company in US that exist without benefiting the state, Fed, and their community ? Walmart is profitable but at the same time provide affordable goods for you and me. As long as there is competition, all business will try to give us better deal and higher quality. Why ? Because if not, we can buy the goods from their competitors. You and I are the reason they go to China, etc, because we want more value from the money we spend.
@bergadangtidakbaik First of all, there is NO higher quality of goods from China, just cheaper. WalMart has forced American companies to move production of their products off shore. They put Rubbermaid almost out of business because of their petty demands. Snapper Lawn Mowers REFUSED to build their products in China and WalMart NO LONGER carries them. WalMarrt isn't helping the consumer so much as it's leading the economic race to the bottom of the pile. BUY AMERICAN, or you'll wish you did!
@sep0507 I would agree that not all products from China have good quality (the same is true for USA products). But for the past 10 years, China (& South Korea) have improved its quality control significantly. Look at IBM Lenovo. They are not american anymore - it is CHINA. China bought American Comp. For Walmart, the last time I was there, it was fully packed - long line up. Seems to me that american need affordable stuffs from Walmart. There is demand from you and me.
@bergadangtidakbaik First of all, WalMart has ruined small businesses in EVERY community they've built stores. I travel out west extensively and I can state first hand that any small community that has a WalMart has little other business. They've forced the small businessman out, creating a demand from THEM. WalMart is so big, that if you don't do business with them, you have little business at all. I REFUSE to shop at WalMart. I'd rather spend more than give it to the greedy Waltons.
@bergadangtidakbaik Are you serious? You would rather pay a few dollars less and sacrifice American jobs than pay a few dollars more for a superior product and keep American families in their homes and fed?
Don't listen to this tool. Buy American. Buy local.
Buy from mom and pop shops. Not Walmart.
A real patriot supports American jobs, not whatever Fox "News" tells them to do.
@TheMasterTate Even if I want to pay more for the so called "SUPERIOR" product. Any suggestion on where can I buy a laptop, a cell phone that don't have China components in it. American used to be farmers. But the world changed, the farmer kids had to go to college to participate in the industry revolution. Can you imagine what happen if USA tried Hard to protect the "farmer" and refused to participate in the revolution ? If that the case, I don't think USA would be super power by now.
TankerUSA - so the american creators & inventors of a good product & the mass money flowing into their coffers & them hiring thousands of workers as their company grows & grows? IS A BAD THING? That somehow? They owe YOU THEIR MONEY? ..invent a "superior brain" that you seem to badly be in need of. Market THAT..& then when all the fools surrounding with you order 1? If you make mega millions? Send it to obama & his eco con companies or to Acorn. Leaving yourself BROKE! (to make it all fair)LOL!
When Bankers fuck up and con our politicians to use our tax money to bail them out so they can go right back to doing what caused this whole mess, you think this is good?
When oil company CEO's take short cuts to increase their profits, fuck up, then con our politicians into forcing us to pay for the clean up, you think this is good?
What you are suffering from is tunnel vision, in other words, you're too stupid to see the whole picture, talk about needing a brain!!!
TankerUSA - the CON picture was there the whole time your unions were sucking down the tax payers dollars. When the wallet was empty? You demanded the welfare pimp owebummer borrow from the red chinese. To keep paying YOU! The rest of us? Do not like red chinese credit collectors at our door. YOU of course are retired at age 50 - 55 & want to keep the unsustainable penision checks your union thugs got some demorat to BLANK CHECK OK? Keep comin? No thanks - yer the stupid 1 & a whinner to boot.
@bergadangtidakbaik There's plenty of investments that can be made in the US. How about stopping the outsourcing of our manufacturing and build our own stuff? The US is a greedy cesspool of corporations making big profits at the expense of American workers. What jobs will be left if we continue the downward slide to paying the cheapest price we can? I know the wealthy don't shop at WalMart. That's for the rest of us, the little people. You better wake up soon, if it's not too late.
@bergadangtidakbaik "Do you know that IPAD will be sold for $5000 if all components are made in US. Thank God that not all components are made in USA. We can buy it now for $500." Thomas Sowell dealt with this in his book, "Basic Economics". In truth the profitability of an American worker is 15X greater than a Chinese worker, b/c the standard of living is so much higher. Besides these components are mass produced in factories, so the costs really aren't much different... cont....
@bergadangtidakbaik cont... The real prob is too many taxes, which just increase costs that are passed onto consumers and too many regulations(more than 300,000 in more than 47,000 pages. It's ridiculous.) which really just increase costs and don't improve quality. Quality is improved by consumer demand and by entrepreneurs competing, and not by regulations. A good example is the lightbulb, which Congress has decided what kind of light-bulb we will buy. cont...
@bergadangtidakbaik Congress has decided by law that we are to purchase only the CFL lightbulb rather than the incandescent lightbulb. The CFL lightbulb breaks more easily and has mercury in it, so when it breaks the house has to be evacuated and the Fire Dept has to be called in. Contrast that w/the incandescent lightbulb where you just throw it in the trash. That's regulations vs consumer demand. Regulations = max cost, min quality. Consumer demand = min cost, max quality.
@bergadangtidakbaik Well, I guess that'd be one more gadget that we wouldn't buy. I'll gladly stand under the armpit of a Union. That's better than standing under the armpit of China.
I think balanced of power is important. At the present time, the Unions in WI is too strong. With their collective bargaining power has successfully pushed the government to wasting the taxpayer money (like $159K salary to John E. Nelson, a WI bus driver + other 6 fig salary bus drivers in WI). WI is broke and could not afford any longer to pay that much money.
fantastic video of Rational minded men & women stopping the looting of the State taxpayers ....of course the left went bonkers. They thought they could buy their flim flam scams forever = (from a demorat they bought into office)
Who the FUCK voted this IDIOT in as governor??? The republicans are completely INSANE! They refuse to ask the millionaires pay their fair share in taxes & keep bleeding the middle class! Whay in the HELL would anyone in the right mind vote for this IDIOT??? I can see how the uneducated morons are bitching becuase the Middle Cless supports them & their worthless lives... as well as the rich fucks who get all the tax breaks. Enough is enough!
@c1magr8 By definition "RICH" pays more tax. If you make more money than I do, you will be in the higher tax bracket. Hence, you HAVE TO pay more tax. I don't understand the reasoning behind blaming Rich People.
I would love to see more rich people in US, but unfortunately our country is in trouble. US$ is going down the drain and the richest person in the world in not american any longer. To me is bad news.
@bergadangtidakbaik The GOP refused as an entire party to tax the rich at the same level when Clinton was president. The GOP gave us the ABSOLUTE WORST PRESIDENT EVER ... MINDLESS, CLUELESS bush! The GOP are a bunch of COMPLETE FUCK UPS!!! Under bush were we attacked, then we attack a country who was ABSOLUTELY NO threat to us! The fall of our nation is because we had a president with the brain of a GODDAMN CIRCUS MONKEY for 8 years! The GOP is INSANE & now they fuck with middle class! BAD MOVE!
@c1magr8 Taxes on the "rich" were increased under Woodrow Wilson, Herbert Hoover & FDR. What happened? The Depression of 1921 inherited by Warren Harding & the Great Depression that didn't end until after taxes were lowered & the gov backed off from the economy per pressure from a coalition of Dems & Repubs against Truman. Taxes were lowered under Harding, Coolidge, LBJ per JFK tax cuts, Reagan & Bush '43. That caused an increase in economic activity & in turn more revenue.
@Aegius You clearly have not idea what the hell your talking about. The depression was in 1929 and it was directly caused by deregulation. Fast forward to the recession of now, what caused it? Deregulation of the housing market and low taxes on the rich.
@AntarcticanCommunist Deregulation? You mean like the Smoot-Hawley tariff act that added tarifs on more than 3500 goods including heavy tarriffs on more than 800? You mean like increasing the highest marginal tax rate from 24% to 63% to 79%? You mean like increasing corporate & real estate taxes from 15% to 30%. There was also the cartelization of industries and massive intervention w/price controls and wage controls under Hoover & FDR. That is regulation. cont...
@AntarcticanCommunist Fast forward what caused the current recession was banks being coerced and pressured into providing bad loans to people who couldn't afford to repay them per the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977, amendments in 1989, 1995, & 2005 and the Housing & Community Development Act of 1992. That was massive regulation, not deregulation in 1929 through 1931 and 1977 though 1992 though 2005.
@Aegius We are BROKE! The reason we are broke is because we are in 2 needless wars. Under bush we attacked a country that was ABSOLUTELY NO THREAT to us. These wars are bleeding the nation dry. When you have A COMPLETE FUCKING MORON as president for 8 years who starts war & is a TOTAL FUCK UP, this is what happens. The middle class bailed out the arrogant assholes on wall street. The rich get HUGE tax breaks. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! We could raise billions by taxing them more, which we should!
@philip0460 Finally! Someone on here with a brain bigger then a fucking cashew! If we could give a simple 6th grade test to all senate, governor, or presidential candidates we NEVER would have heard of bush, bachman, palin, gingrich, Mcconell, or the rest of these FUCKING IDIOTS in the GOP! The fact is, they cannot FUCKING THINK in a rational manner. Instead of making the wealthy pay their fair shar what do these BONEHEADS do? They want more money from the middle class & refuse to tax the rich!
@c1magr8 We are broke, b/c banks were forced to provide loans to people who couldn't repay per the Community Reinvestment Act of 77, amendments in 1989, 1995 & 2005. That led to 1/2 the loans in the hands of FannieMae & FreddieMac and they were bad loans that caused an enormous bubble. That bubble would have occurred w/o the wars which were repaid for. BTW, your derangement on Bush is frankly sick.
Finally some rational minded people BROKE THE GRIFTER GRA$P off the tax payers wallets! Democrats have sucked the marrow out of the bones of this States citizens and insist on people handing them some more bodies?(the kids futures..so.. No thanks! We figured out you stupid CAN-AAA-BULL $H!% artists and are going to remove the rest of you STATE BY STATE ......fantastic news!
c1magr8 - to bad so sad you lost your heavily padded ponzi scam? The rest of us are truly delighted! To take back the demorat rips offs & eco scams & throw them away forever ~
@memama2 Hello ASSHOLE! You obviously are a WORTHLESS, MINDLESS FUCK just like your boy bush! Yes, the Middle class supports BOTH you the DUMB UNEDUCATED IDIOTS as well as the arrogant wealthy who cry like babies in wet diapers for bailouts! BOOO-HOOO-HOOO!!! You ARE a TOTAL IDIOT!!!!
chigger1magic8000 = you better strap on a big pair of "OPPS! I CRAPPED MY PANTS! .....cause your barry boy is going to be forced on stage at the next Presidential debates without his tele-prompter & face unfiltered questions LOL!
@memama2 You wouldn't say that to my face though! Just like a typical REPUBLICAN LOOOOOSER .... you are nothing but an UNEDUCATED IDIOT that has SHIT spewing out of your mouth & you dumb worthless ass!!!
@RustySurfer23 So ... NOT only are you a COMPLETE MINDLESS MORON ... you're a TYPICAL GOP RACSIST MORON! What the hell does my opinion have to do with my race???? The reason that you're an IDIOT is because you write like one!!! Go back to school FUCK HEAD!!!
does anyone think about the fact that the Democrat representatives fled the state and are not there to stand up for the people that are protesting. not to mention, the classic definition of insanity is continuing to do the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. maybe this is what Wisconsin needs. I would personally like to see all politicians take a pay cut and require them to be in office for 20 years to be able to collect a pension.
I am proud that April 5, 2011 is coming to Wisconsin so that the folks in Wisconsin can vote these evil RepubKKKians out of office and bring folks with common sense to challange that Crazy Walker Dude!
@MrRichardj1 Your not going to vote anybody out of anything. Not enough signatures for any recalls. Plus in 2012 the GOP will have so much coporate money behind it, you wont have a chance. Look, its better this way. You'll see, the new direction that the teaparty is taking us is a wonderful direction filled with debt free years, less negros, and more earning potential for buisness owners.
calimar28 - I saw some sweaty faced democrat furious & foaming at the mouth on a cable show. His plan? Take as much money as possible (from obama?)& force Wisconsin to go back to the unsustainable pensions & pay HIM & his government union crow-knezz MO CA$H! p.s.his dolls eyes were ~ rolling around ~ he looked like he was about to scream out = help us baaamaaaaa help us with some owebummer money so wezz can scam this system back!!! aaaaaaahhhhh (it was infuriating & pathetic at the same time)
When will you fools realize that union members pay taxes just like everybody else?! Do you really think they're exempt?! And by the way, Walker's budget bill is going to hideously, adversely affect all but the uber-rich. Cuts to mass transit, cuts to health care, etc. Wake UP, people!
I'm private sector. Make an Excellent wage. No union dues. Excellent Health Insurance. Work any department I want. as many hours as I want. I want for NOTHING.
"chiggee1-con-tank-ho-russ" cuss ~ is foamin at the mouth over his loss of QUICK - government - CA$H ......happily the rest of the Nation wants their far left liberal insanity epic fail policies to be forced out of office for a couple decades while we regroup & right the USA economy!
@memama2 How long have you been a TOTAL FUCKING IDIOT??? You are OBVIOUSLY an uneducated FUCK ... that AGAIN the working middle class supports! Yor IGNORANCE is only surpassed by your STUPIDITY! (It means you're a DUMB ASS!)
Union are only sustainable when times are good. Id rather they layoff state workers who do absolutely nothing but punch a time clock and let the remaining state workers keep their bargaining rights The shear number of govt employees is out of control and I've worked in state and federal building for 25 yrs and I can tell you theres not a lot of work getting done. They are unprofessional and time management and multitasking is nonexistant. Private sector needs more of the state work
Union teachers and protesters suck on the array of taxpayer teets. We just took the teets away, and they react just as a baby reacts when the teet it is sucking on is taken away.
I fully support what this state government is doing with the budget repair bill. All of us in California can't believe the irresponsible behavior of the protesters. May the law and may the respect for the law win. This is why we have police, state laws and law inforcement.
Way to go. Let's pass it in the Assembly. Let's prove to the world that USA is a country that works. That economy matters. And the we need to save money. And that the democracy works. People that accuse this state government clearly need to take some economics courses and pipe down. They make a laughing stock out of themselves. Immature kids seem to be more likable and reasonable than them. Democrats proved themselves to be simply selfish and careless about the basics of economics.
I just love seeing all those Union thugs freak out! The Union bastards at GM got bailed out while the bond and stock holders got screwed. Now that we won the mid terms the tide has turned.
the “14” are so upset and scrambling to get to WI. where were they during the VOTE in WI., they were in IL., Well let them stay there, they obviously do NOT care enough for the people to be in WI. to be there for the vote
IT'S TOO LATE, WISCONSIN WORKERS HAVE LOST. KEEP VOTING REPUBLICAN AND BE PREPARED TO HAVE NO HEALTH CARE, LOWER SALARY, NO VACATION PAY, NO WEEKENDS ETC. WHAT A SHAME. THANK YOU KOCH BROTHERS!
I don't need welfare you teabagging idiot. I have a job. But who knows how much longer I'll be making what I am.. Unions invented the "weekend", "vacation", "sick days" etc. And you like an idiot are defending the corporate elite who are rolling in the dough and now got an even bigger tax cut from King Walker. I don't understand how you can call yourself an American. You sound like a fascist!
@philip0460 You have welfare now at the expense of the taxpayer. Lavish pentions, vacations, whatever. You dont like it? Go make your own buisness and then you can make your own rules. Once you own a buisness you will turn GOP real fast, you will see how hard it is. You sound like a communist, wanting the state to provide this and that. Provide for yourself!
You know what? I'm done. You will see how YOU yourself will be affected when the bar is lowered and there is no union to negotiate for higher pay, benefits etc. I don't care for myself since I work for a nonunion company who tells us when to jump and we say "yes sir how high". If you want to be a monkey and do whatever corporate America says you are nothing but a spineless puppet. I hope they take away your vacation pay, weekends, health care etc. which by the way unions created.
@philip0460 Ok, lets see what happens. Who knows, mabye with the unions going down and coporate taxes soon to be slashed, some of those "evil coporations" that you hate so much might just come back to the USA from China and we can work again.
Oh really? Let me see if I have thisright. Now with unions gone and workers making LESS money, corporate taxes down, companies will come back? Chinese workers make close to nothing. Unless you want the US to become a banana republic and we work for 50 cents an hour. Under Bush, he cut corporate taxes and guess what? JOBS STILL WENT OVERSEAS. Keep drinking the FOX Koolaid Fact is, when workers make MORE, the economy grows, but know nothing of facts LOL
@philip0460 I like a Banana republic wage system. I am against all minimum wage. Before minimum wage in the late 1800's and early 1900's, low level workers made MORE than they do today BECAUSE of minimum wage. In 1895, the avarage worker made equivilant to 11 dollars an hour today. That's much more than the 7 dollar an hour minimum wage. Govt keeps wages artificially low!
Most comapnies dont mind paying more to be in America. But corporate/payroll/property/income taxes make it not worth it
Are you serious? Are you sure you aren't on crack? LOL So you would be ok making $3.50 an hour? I know I wouldn't. People who are reading this will know that you are just a corporate elitist teabagger who wouldn't know the truth if it hit you in the butt.
@philip0460 Look, goverment regulations on income like minimum wage, actually drives wages down. I dont expect you to understand that, you have to know somethng about economics.
@philip0460 You must understand something...we are now in a world economy. The days of guarenteed vacations, pentions, and wages, are over. Now we will compete with Vietnam, China, and other nations who pay 42 cents an hour. Some of our lowest skilled may have to work for as much...that is life. You must learn to adjust...the party is over.
You're an idiot. If my job told me I'd have to work for 42 cents and hour, I'd get another job. And if every job in this country paid peanuts, I'd be singing O Canada!
@philip0460 Please, go to Canada then. They like Marxism I heard.
Now, get used to the Teaprty. We are in charge. You know, you liberals dont seem to mind that illegal aliens POUR into the nation and get taxpayer healthcare, taxpayer schooling, and use taxpayer roads, driving up our debt and driving YOUR wages down. But when we consevatives try to do something about it, you dont play ball. Instead you help the Mexican nationals, but now you want our help?
You sound like idiot. If the country goes teabagger, which it won't, I would go to Canada with pleasure. Their people actually CARE about each other. They are free and not racist, xenophobic and homophobic like many Americans. They give health care to their people and allow EVERYONE to marry. I think in time we will become more like Canada. If we become more like Nazi Germany, I'm outta here with pleasure!
@philip0460 You know, if you were reasonable over the last few years, we would of played ball and let you keep your unions. But instead you drove up debt worse than the GOP did. You shelter illegals who are ruining the nation. You ram an Obamacare bill up our asses. YOU WERE NOT REASONABLE. Now, the tide has turned. This year the states will re-district. Guess who controls governorships and legeslators in most states? :) New districts = another 60 seat pick-up in the house in 2012. ;)
@philip0460 Unions didn't invent the "weekend" or "vacation." The Puritans did. Look it up. "Sick days" also didn't come from unions. You really should do some research or actually bother to read a book. Good book: "The Roots of Capitalism", by John Chamberlain. BTW, gov run health care has been a consistent failure in 4 states(ME, HI, MA, TN). All failures & all bankruptcy. What Repubs want are private markets to handle it, b/c they WILL do a far superior job than gov.
Private markets? LOLOLOL You mean like the ones that let little kids die who don't have insurance or who have preexisting conditions? Private for-profit insurance is as antiquated as the stagecoach... the only reason it still exists is because it's profit driven and the American system is profit driven and could care less about dying people... oh, but God forbid you talk about fetuses, then the right wingnuts have a cow LOL
@philip0460 We don't have a private market for ins in USA, b/c there is no access to ins across state lines. INstead there is only access to several within any given state. If all 1300 ins cos competed, they would have no choice, but to provide max care w/min cost as they ALL would compete for the best quailty care. Competition would FORCE the ins cos to care. Gov bureaucracies only care when all Hell is raised against them & even then they still go bankrupt & become corrupt.
@philip0460 Ever heard of this thing called a "raise". It's that increase in wages & benefits that workers get from working at a co. Why do cos do that? Answer: 1)reward for hard work. 2)The cos want to keep their employees as replacing them is a long, difficult and costly process. Benefits increased w/o gov & unions throughout American history as only 3% of workers were in unions yet benefits, wages and conditions improved. That is a fact, not your fantasy. cont...
@philip0460 What planet are you living on? Have you ever had a job? You never got a raise? You never got bonuses? At every job that I had I got raises from working hard and being there from prolonged periods of time, b/c the employer wanted to retain me.
Yes, I got a raise and yes I got bonuses. When I was in the union I got regular raises and better bonuses. Now I get them when the company feels like it.
@philip0460 I have had jobs w/unions & w/o unions and in both places I got regular raises and better bonuses. That appllies to MILLIONS of people.
A public option? You mean have the gov run things 100% and watch the conditions deteriorate w/lack of competition and no improvements & skyrocketing costs as occurred in ME, HI, TN and MA. Gov control leads to skyrocketing costs & plummeting quality as there is no control of costs & rationing needs to be done to keep within budget.
Dude, I think you are referring to "universal health care'. A public option is REAL competition with REAL insurance companies. The government will undercut insurance companies which in turn MUST lower what they charge the insurer. Makes perfect sense.
@philip0460 A public option means gov keeps the price at a lower cost to eliminate competition as it just turns to the tax payer to pay the added bonus. It's just a gov means of sneaking universal care through the back door. Real ins cos operate w/o gov interference including across state lines. The price controls that you are talking about just lead to shortages and rationing.That's reality, not fantasy.
@philip0460 When gov takes over, there is NO COMPETITION, b/c gov just uses tax payer dollars to undercut everyone else. When gov takes over, all competition is eliminated and there is no competition. Gov just takes from the tax payers to cover the costs & does nothing to keep them down unless tax payers raise Hell. Quality plummets w/the rationing. Eventually the end game is bankruptcy & failure and that ALREADY has occurred in HI, ME, TN(2X) and MA. Reality, not your fantasies.
@philip0460 What factual realities? Like MA going bankrupt in large measure due to Romneycare as the Sec of Treasury admitted to? Like $3 trillion of unfunded liabilities in states and localities as gov employee unions have ensured that the costs of pensions, benefits & salaries are out of control? Like numerous failed gov programs and the failure of the Great Society and War on Poverty?
You know I have wasted way too much with you. Since you are a millionaire and have all the time in the world since you don't have a job, you can post your lies over and over. I on the other hand have a life and will move on. I have a good feeling that progressive thought will prevail and the Wisconsin tragedy will propel Democrats back into power. BYE LOSER
@philip0460 So I'm a millionaire and a loser too? Wow. I didn't know that a millionaire can be a loser. Thanks for informing me. I haven't provided personal info to u, b/c Lefties try to use personal info about their opponents to destroy them rather than deal w/their ideas. It's really cowardly and despicable and 1 of the biggest things that turns me off from the Left. As for progressive thought prevailing it already did and the end game for it has arrived: failure & bankruptcy.
yes you a loser and a millionaire. see how you think? money is EVERYTHING to you. All because you have money doesn't make you a WINNER... look at Charlie Sheen and Ghadaffi... both millionaires and losers... just like you
@philip0460 If wealth causes 1 to think on the Right and not the Left, then why are Michael Moore, George Soros, Ted Turner, Bill Gates, Nancy Pelosi, Warren Buffet and numerous other wealthy people on the Left then? & why are so many poor and middle class people on the Right? Why is it that Repubs win elections with millions of votes from poor and middle class people? Money means everything to me? I donated blood more than 40 times to Red Cross & did a lot of volunteer work. Nice try though.
Oh, ok so now you're Mother Teresa too LOL. You've done it all haven't you? This statement is your biggest lie yet! Middle class and poor people usually vote Democrat, sorry dude. The exceptions are in the deep south where you vote Republican because Jesus told them too LOLOLOL
@philip0460 I didn't say that I am Mother Teresa. U accused me of being solely out for money. Sorry, but you have no basis for that. In fact conservatives donate far more to charity and engage in volunteer work than Libs, b/c they believe that people should do so voluntarily, while Libs think that gov should force people to do that.
I stated that MILLIONS of people who are poor and MC vote Repub. Repubs couldn't win elections solely w/wealthy voters esp as many wealthy are... cont...
@philip0460 cont... esp as many wealthy including the Hollywood elite vote Democrat. I didn't lie about donating blood, donating to charity or doing volunteer work. In truth the majority of White MC people do vote Repub.. Why? They want minimal gov and less laws and not be bothered by gov.
@philip0460 Just bequiet philip. The majority of "Republicans" (I am not one, I have no party) are blue collar people. Deal with it. Sorry. It is what it is. The majority of Democrats are minorities and bleeding heart whites who don't know basic math. Learn some, mate.
Wrong. You astutely said you're not a Republican, but you seem to defend everything they do. Blue collar people vote Democrat by and large. Deal with it. The majority of Republicans are rich white corporate elitists and bleeding heart evangelicals. Learn some, mate
Really now? So the rich vote against their interests? Interesting. Keep talking because you keep showing how ignorant you are. Being that I'm on a teabagger blog, you all can gang up on me all you want, but that's fine. I will NEVER EVER vote TEABAG in my life. So type away. Remember, 2012 is coming ... Obama in, Walker out LOLOLOL
This is one "young" video. =p
ustavobarr25g 3 weeks ago
This vid is a favorite on Addis Ababa
brainbutler220 1 month ago
Liars.
HARDBAL 10 months ago
"sep" 0507 = responded to me & then BLOCKED ME ...like all far left loons always do! What is their goal here? To lecture the rest of us into staying at work till age 90 & being forced to pay most of our wages into their "fun in the sun at age 50 retirement"..???.. NO THANKS THE GOVERNMENT UNION THUG$ TAKE MONEY FOR THEIR MEMBER$ THAT WA$ NEVER PAID IN & SKIM IT OFF THE RE$T OF U$! = WE ARE NOT DOING IT ANYMORE! ....get 3 jobs like the rest of us & work till you drop dead
memama2 11 months ago
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sep0507 11 months ago
@memama2 You lying MORON!. You weren't blocked by me. You were OWNED by me. My superior intelligence was too great for your feeble mind to comprhend. When are you going to connect your left and right brain together and think for yourself instead of listening to Koch brothers talking points provided to you by Walker and his cronies? Get an education and you won't have to work 3 jobs! LOL You must be the poster boy for "No Child Left Behind!"
sep0507 11 months ago
sep0507 - ah the head of pure obama popcorn always exposes itself in the end ~ *plink* (would that edumacation be costing ME MORE TAXE$? For owebummer to give ya?) ...yah yaa betcha
memama2 11 months ago
@memama2 No comment on catching you LYING about being blocked? Guess you tend to overlook the lies and continue to spout moronic rhetoric. Maybe you're too far gone to be educated.
sep0507 11 months ago
sep0507 - so you could BLOCK or unblock someone? And then "claim" you never did? hmmmm.....the best part of all this is you liberal whinners getting your hand slapt BIG TIME= out of the cookie jar of coins you have been skimming all these years. And having it taken from you pension goobs. And put back on the shelf behind THESE FANTASTIC REPUBLICAN RULE MAKERS = meaning you gotta save a whole lot a money now (like the rest of us have been forced to do because of the pension ponzi scams going on)
memama2 11 months ago
@memama2 I wouldn't know, I never blocked or unblocked you. The fantatstic republican rules makers? That's a laugh. Aren't they the opnes for creating the worst economic disaster sinse the Depression? I know you try to blame Barney Frank, go back a little further and try and remember how Phil Graham of Texas skuttled Glass/Steegle at his wifes behest, a big shot at Enron. There were NO derivitives at the time, but Wall Street created them soon after and FUCKED all of us. And you WORSHIP them?
sep0507 11 months ago
sep0507 - the far left demorats have stolen the tax payers money since their party began. They lie & con & promise the DIMS they put into office - more support will be coming toward their corropocrats scam-pains! BUT IF THEY GET IN? ....they have to sign the big fat pensions their union thugs slap down in front of dim official. THU$? = the $TATE$ & Nation is now broke because of their scim scam flim flam (like how owebummer slunk in)
memama2 11 months ago
@memama2 If what you say is true, where did the money go? Republican admins have hurt the middle class from Reagan to this day. They're reverse Robin Hoods. They take from the poor and give to the rich! If any one has stolen the taxpayers money, try blaming the repuklicans! Unions are the only entity standing up for the middle class. At least until these renegade morons took office in Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan, etc;. Their agendas are clearly anti middle class. Are you THAT ignorant?
sep0507 11 months ago
sep0507 - the money is being scammed into a pension being paid to "retired" government workers from Age 50 to Age 109! & all their medical costs & various assorted benefits. YOUR PLAN? Was to cause the rest of the non union workers to pay into these multi million dollar pensions with them WORKING until they dropped dead on the job (and now owebummer plans on stealing their investment money in mass taxes to add to his pensionaires ponzi scam) ...yer an obot idiot & cryin about WHERE'$ MY MONEY
memama2 11 months ago
@memama2 My Plan? How about YOUR plan. You pay into SS at a lower rate than union members pay into their pension fund. REMOVE the word PENSION and replace it with Social Security, you wouldn't be arguing your point. You would ACCEPT the fact that each worker is entitled to SS. But since they have a pension fund, and are NOT entitled to SS, you've got a problem? You're out on a limb all by yourself. The majority of taxpayers in this country have NO problem with unions OR public employees. IDIOT!
sep0507 11 months ago
sep0507 = How much are "they" paying into their pensions fund smart arse? You seem to know! What am I paying? Add on all the golden medical care union thugs got listed as ANOTHER allowable benefit? PLEA$E...list out the maximum pension dues (paid per year) Thanks!
memama2 11 months ago
@memama2 100%, smart ass! How can that be? Because the "contributions" consist of money that employees chose to take as deferred wages – as pensions when they retire – rather than take immediately in cash. You're hung up on "union thugs" when the real thugs occupy the govenors mansion and the peoples houses! If you were stupid, I'd feel sorry for you. But you're just IGNORANT of the facts. Now you know.
sep0507 11 months ago
sep0507 = so you pay IN $50.00 a month? And that will be your monthly pension when you retire? (are you deferring any taxes as well?) Is that how that works? YOU are the reason I do not want to pay any "taxes" = they just go down the State & federal pension drain hole for your cozy early retirement! (and golden health care costs I pay also)
memama2 11 months ago
@sep0507 sorry, but when people say things that are true, it always shows in how angry the other person reacts. You sound pissed and have to call the other guy names and capitalize ignorant. Scott Walker clearly just wants everyone to hate him because it makes his job easier to be hated.
Faygo069 11 months ago
@Faygo069 Oh, he's hated all right. And it'll come out at the next election. And don't criticize me for saying the obvious. Some people are just too thick skulled to listen to reason, let alone the truth.
sep0507 11 months ago
Well Scott Walker gave the Dems the upper hand in Wisconsin. Lots of Independents are now saying they will be voting democrat. A good percentage of republicans have come out and said they do not approve of Walker. Even some of the real righties have defected to the left. On top of that there were so many highschool and college kids their and they will be voting now too.
This feels like a win, but I have a feeling long term this was a BIG mistake. They should have done it less dirty I think.
TheMasterTate 11 months ago
@TheMasterTate I know many Independents and MANY who want collective bargaining rights for public unions dismantled. They also want contracts to be rewritten, if they are not favoring the city and are instead breaking the city. When the details of what is going on is broken down, the majority still favor the removal of collective bargaining for benefits for public workers. In the long term the more that is known, the more people are assured that they made the right decision this past Nov 2010
ladylordess 11 months ago
FACT: around 400k people are members/represented by unions in WI. There's around 5M people in WI. They're definitely the minority, I'd say 10% of the population opposing this bill. They're definitely drowning out the voices of MILLIONS of taxpayers and real middle class families in WI. ONCE AGAIN: UNIONS MAKE UP LESS THAN 10% OF THE MIDDLE CLASS, NOT TO MENTION WORK FORCE IN WI. Stop making this seem like an 'attack' on WI. 13 yrs old and I realize these obvious facts that my teacher's dont.
20012607 11 months ago
@20012607 good little bit of research and math, but you are assuming that the only people that oppose Walker's agenda are union members. Non-union wages and benefits are based off of what Union members are getting, so this bill is attacking more people than just the union members. I don't really believe the passing of the bill is going to save as much as Walker claims. My teacher at the local technical college told our class that he already pays more than what the bill states
hammercore 11 months ago
@hammercore So RIGHT you are! I'm sure 70% of Wisconsonites who opposed Walker and his cronies power grab can't be all union members. Nor can they be all democrats. They're just ordinary citizens who cried foul after this corporate stooge trampled the rights of the public workers. Anyone with half a brain knows that all bosses aren't always right or fair, so what makes the public sector bosses any different? Unions have made the middle class a better place for all, union or non-union workers.
sep0507 11 months ago
sep0507 - government workers should have no more RIGHT$ than any good business man watching over his company and making sure there is profit and the people working FOR HIM = realize they better work to the highest standards and be able to produce for the company & DO THAT DAILY! Otherwise their raise? Or employment? Is quite doubtful. Government unions scammed the Nation & States along with the demorat's in office to PAY BACK those votes in unsustainable "huge" pensions & beefed up benefits
memama2 11 months ago
@memama2 That's your opinion,nothing more. Maybe YOU choose to take the risks of working for a less educated boss than yourself. Maybe YOU choose to work somewhere that has no regard for employee safety. Maybe YOU choose to be oppressed by management that sees you as a number, and not a person, easily replaceable at their whim, for no reasons that even YOU can't figure out. Unions PROTECT worker rights. No union, no rights. What's so diificult to understand?
sep0507 11 months ago
This shows you how bad the GOP is and how ratical they work. Just brake the law if you want to force some shi**y legislation down are throats. Scott Fitzgerald and his buddies have got to go. It is also time to RECALL WALKER!
rjl1184 11 months ago
@rjl1184 What breaking of the law? The GOP Senators just removed the part of the law that pertained to fiscal matters and then were able to vote on it, while keeping within the law. Besides in IN they tried the same type of legislation and it worked. The budget is under control there and public sector workers still saw their wages increase. Thanks to the alliance between public employee unions and their Democrat politicians as allies, budgets are going out of control. That has to stop.
Aegius 11 months ago
@Aegius That is in WI and states other than IN the alliance between public employee unions and their Democrat politicians as allies, budgets have gotten out of control. That has to stop and tax payers are fed up. Enter the TEA Party.
Aegius 11 months ago
"Teabaggers". That word alone shows the disposition and intolerance the left has towards other individuals people they disagree with.
ZergSpawnSC2Armory 11 months ago
@ZergSpawnSC2Armory
"Commie libs" Those words alone show the disposition and intolerance the right wing has towards other individual pepole they disagree with.
philip0460 11 months ago
@philip0460 I never said "commie libs". I state facts. Liberals are intolerant. That is why they cry "Shame, Shame!", use death threats, destroy things at rallies, interrupt hearings, all for "rights" that aren't rights at all. Facts are facts. Scram. Go protest something else. Like I don't know, gay hatred in the Middle East? Go back to work.
ZergSpawnSC2Armory 11 months ago
@ZergSpawnSC2Armory Philip0460 called me a millionaire and a loser. A millionaire can be a loser? That's news to me.
Are you a millionaire and a loser too?
Aegius 11 months ago
@Aegius I'm a lower-class blue-collar guy. My entire family is. You deserve every dollar you make. Keep it. Don't let anyone take it from you, you understand? It is not THEIR money, it is YOURS!
ZergSpawnSC2Armory 11 months ago
@ZergSpawnSC2Armory What?! You are a working stiff who thinks for himself and takes care of his family rather than allow yourselves to become drug addicts to gov money as the Lefties want you to?
Shame on you! Shame on you! (only joking around. I really like your attitude. That is the attitude that will save the country.)
Aegius 11 months ago
@Aegius It's called free market and your basic rights. It is YOUR property. It is YOUR money. It is YOUR life. It is not for anyone, regardless of the reason, to take it from you. You should give money because you want to, not because Lazy-Joe or Man-In-A-Suit says you don't deserve it. Screw these entitlements. Screw these selfish, stuck up bozos who put themselves before anyone else. SHAME, SHAME, SHAME!
ZergSpawnSC2Armory 11 months ago
@ZergSpawnSC2Armory What?! Didn't u know that via social justice gov is supposed to take your hard-earned money away and give it to someone else who did NOTHING to earn it? Didn't u know that the money is supposedly to be held collectively and then distributed equally(which has always led to disastrous failures: early American colonies, Brooke Farm, New Heavan in IN, at attempt in Scotland)? Didn't u know that u have the right to other people's labor: doctors, nurses, etc.?(I'm being facetious.)
Aegius 11 months ago
@Aegius
You proved my point, thank you. Only if you have money you're not a loser in your world. Ghadaffi is a millionaire... I suppose he's not a loser cause he has money LOLOL.
philip0460 11 months ago
If you see tantrum politics for more entitlements from the government, it's clearly Liberal Fascism.
National Socialist Worker's Unions are at it again.
thomaserossi 11 months ago
what is a violation is the stupid demos who ran and hid
wordwarrior42 11 months ago
@wordwarrior42 You're right. They were stupid. Walker's legislation passed by 11 votes and the Dems had an extra 14 votes. What idiots! If they stayed in WI, they would have stopped Walker's legislation from passing!
Aegius 11 months ago
Congrats senators! You've done the right thing.
hooya13 11 months ago
I believe that USA should not depend on taxing the so called "RICH" to get in shape economically. 80% of the tax revenue comes from the upper 5%. To me they have their fair share. I am teaching my kids to always depend on themselves and not government, unions, etc. We live in a free country. If you don't like working for a certain employer, find a better on. Trust in yourself.
bergadangtidakbaik 11 months ago
@bergadangtidakbaik
That is the biggest crock of shit I have ever heard in my entire life. I have family members who went through years of college and can't get a job. Why? Because it's cheaper to hire someone for 3.50 an hour in China. Is that how much you would like to earn per hour? LOL
philip0460 11 months ago
@philip0460 The world is changing. You need to wake up. When Change is necessary, not to change is destructive. Back in the old days, it was the norm for the people to work as a farmer. They didn't need college degree to survive. Since US is a dynamic country, it participated in the industry revolution. Those farmer boys had to adjust and get a college degree. We are in a new era now. You cannot protect the "farmer" forever. The same way, US companies have to be lean to compete with China.
bergadangtidakbaik 11 months ago
@philip0460 One more thing. Do you know that IPAD will be sold for $5000 if all components are made in US. Thank God that not all components are made in USA. We can buy it now for $500. Open your eyes and be bold to compete. Do NOT hide too long under those union leader armpits ! Be valuable and start to make contribution to the marketplace
bergadangtidakbaik 11 months ago
@bergadangtidakbaik
So you're for outsourcing? We should compete but not by making our workers work for peanuts either. How about the working conditions of Chinese workers? You think that's cool? Would you like to work under those conditions?
philip0460 11 months ago
@philip0460 The working conditions for the Chinese workers are improvements over prior conditions and they at least have jobs. That means it is a vast improvement.
Aegius 11 months ago
@philip0460 Before badmouthing them, You should go to China yourself. They are more capitalist that USA now. Poor people is always everywhere but China makes millionaires and billionaires at FASTEST rate than any other country now. FYI, we borrow a lot of money from China and spent it like crazy. IF USA fails to attract new investments, the country future is over. They will dictate us and there is nothing we can do.
bergadangtidakbaik 11 months ago
@bergadangtidakbaik
I'm not bad mouthing the Chinese. The only thing about what they are doing I don't agree with is their human rights violations.
philip0460 11 months ago
@bergadangtidakbaik
When ever you create millionaires and billionaires...there are going to be millions that are getting underpaid for their hard work.
400 Americans have more money that the bottom 155,000,000 Americans total wealth combined!
And they didn't earn it working their fingers to the bone, they got it working Americans hard and underpaying them, they got it by sending their jobs to even more underpaid workers in India, China and other third world countries.
TankerUSA 11 months ago
@TankerUSA Is there any company in US that exist without benefiting the state, Fed, and their community ? Walmart is profitable but at the same time provide affordable goods for you and me. As long as there is competition, all business will try to give us better deal and higher quality. Why ? Because if not, we can buy the goods from their competitors. You and I are the reason they go to China, etc, because we want more value from the money we spend.
bergadangtidakbaik 11 months ago
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sep0507 11 months ago
@bergadangtidakbaik First of all, there is NO higher quality of goods from China, just cheaper. WalMart has forced American companies to move production of their products off shore. They put Rubbermaid almost out of business because of their petty demands. Snapper Lawn Mowers REFUSED to build their products in China and WalMart NO LONGER carries them. WalMarrt isn't helping the consumer so much as it's leading the economic race to the bottom of the pile. BUY AMERICAN, or you'll wish you did!
sep0507 11 months ago
@sep0507 I would agree that not all products from China have good quality (the same is true for USA products). But for the past 10 years, China (& South Korea) have improved its quality control significantly. Look at IBM Lenovo. They are not american anymore - it is CHINA. China bought American Comp. For Walmart, the last time I was there, it was fully packed - long line up. Seems to me that american need affordable stuffs from Walmart. There is demand from you and me.
bergadangtidakbaik 11 months ago
@bergadangtidakbaik First of all, WalMart has ruined small businesses in EVERY community they've built stores. I travel out west extensively and I can state first hand that any small community that has a WalMart has little other business. They've forced the small businessman out, creating a demand from THEM. WalMart is so big, that if you don't do business with them, you have little business at all. I REFUSE to shop at WalMart. I'd rather spend more than give it to the greedy Waltons.
sep0507 11 months ago
@bergadangtidakbaik Are you serious? You would rather pay a few dollars less and sacrifice American jobs than pay a few dollars more for a superior product and keep American families in their homes and fed?
Don't listen to this tool. Buy American. Buy local.
Buy from mom and pop shops. Not Walmart.
A real patriot supports American jobs, not whatever Fox "News" tells them to do.
TheMasterTate 11 months ago
@TheMasterTate Even if I want to pay more for the so called "SUPERIOR" product. Any suggestion on where can I buy a laptop, a cell phone that don't have China components in it. American used to be farmers. But the world changed, the farmer kids had to go to college to participate in the industry revolution. Can you imagine what happen if USA tried Hard to protect the "farmer" and refused to participate in the revolution ? If that the case, I don't think USA would be super power by now.
bergadangtidakbaik 11 months ago
TankerUSA - so the american creators & inventors of a good product & the mass money flowing into their coffers & them hiring thousands of workers as their company grows & grows? IS A BAD THING? That somehow? They owe YOU THEIR MONEY? ..invent a "superior brain" that you seem to badly be in need of. Market THAT..& then when all the fools surrounding with you order 1? If you make mega millions? Send it to obama & his eco con companies or to Acorn. Leaving yourself BROKE! (to make it all fair)LOL!
memama2 11 months ago
@memama2
When Bankers fuck up and con our politicians to use our tax money to bail them out so they can go right back to doing what caused this whole mess, you think this is good?
When oil company CEO's take short cuts to increase their profits, fuck up, then con our politicians into forcing us to pay for the clean up, you think this is good?
What you are suffering from is tunnel vision, in other words, you're too stupid to see the whole picture, talk about needing a brain!!!
TankerUSA 11 months ago
TankerUSA - the CON picture was there the whole time your unions were sucking down the tax payers dollars. When the wallet was empty? You demanded the welfare pimp owebummer borrow from the red chinese. To keep paying YOU! The rest of us? Do not like red chinese credit collectors at our door. YOU of course are retired at age 50 - 55 & want to keep the unsustainable penision checks your union thugs got some demorat to BLANK CHECK OK? Keep comin? No thanks - yer the stupid 1 & a whinner to boot.
memama2 11 months ago
TankerUSA - gain a brain pan & listen to YouTube video: ...America in 30, 40, or 50 Years
memama2 11 months ago
@bergadangtidakbaik There's plenty of investments that can be made in the US. How about stopping the outsourcing of our manufacturing and build our own stuff? The US is a greedy cesspool of corporations making big profits at the expense of American workers. What jobs will be left if we continue the downward slide to paying the cheapest price we can? I know the wealthy don't shop at WalMart. That's for the rest of us, the little people. You better wake up soon, if it's not too late.
sep0507 11 months ago
@bergadangtidakbaik "Do you know that IPAD will be sold for $5000 if all components are made in US. Thank God that not all components are made in USA. We can buy it now for $500." Thomas Sowell dealt with this in his book, "Basic Economics". In truth the profitability of an American worker is 15X greater than a Chinese worker, b/c the standard of living is so much higher. Besides these components are mass produced in factories, so the costs really aren't much different... cont....
Aegius 11 months ago
@bergadangtidakbaik cont... The real prob is too many taxes, which just increase costs that are passed onto consumers and too many regulations(more than 300,000 in more than 47,000 pages. It's ridiculous.) which really just increase costs and don't improve quality. Quality is improved by consumer demand and by entrepreneurs competing, and not by regulations. A good example is the lightbulb, which Congress has decided what kind of light-bulb we will buy. cont...
Aegius 11 months ago
@bergadangtidakbaik Congress has decided by law that we are to purchase only the CFL lightbulb rather than the incandescent lightbulb. The CFL lightbulb breaks more easily and has mercury in it, so when it breaks the house has to be evacuated and the Fire Dept has to be called in. Contrast that w/the incandescent lightbulb where you just throw it in the trash. That's regulations vs consumer demand. Regulations = max cost, min quality. Consumer demand = min cost, max quality.
Aegius 11 months ago
@bergadangtidakbaik Well, I guess that'd be one more gadget that we wouldn't buy. I'll gladly stand under the armpit of a Union. That's better than standing under the armpit of China.
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jadelightn 11 months ago
I think balanced of power is important. At the present time, the Unions in WI is too strong. With their collective bargaining power has successfully pushed the government to wasting the taxpayer money (like $159K salary to John E. Nelson, a WI bus driver + other 6 fig salary bus drivers in WI). WI is broke and could not afford any longer to pay that much money.
bergadangtidakbaik 11 months ago
fantastic video of Rational minded men & women stopping the looting of the State taxpayers ....of course the left went bonkers. They thought they could buy their flim flam scams forever = (from a demorat they bought into office)
memama2 11 months ago
Who the FUCK voted this IDIOT in as governor??? The republicans are completely INSANE! They refuse to ask the millionaires pay their fair share in taxes & keep bleeding the middle class! Whay in the HELL would anyone in the right mind vote for this IDIOT??? I can see how the uneducated morons are bitching becuase the Middle Cless supports them & their worthless lives... as well as the rich fucks who get all the tax breaks. Enough is enough!
c1magr8 11 months ago 2
@c1magr8 By definition "RICH" pays more tax. If you make more money than I do, you will be in the higher tax bracket. Hence, you HAVE TO pay more tax. I don't understand the reasoning behind blaming Rich People.
I would love to see more rich people in US, but unfortunately our country is in trouble. US$ is going down the drain and the richest person in the world in not american any longer. To me is bad news.
bergadangtidakbaik 11 months ago
@bergadangtidakbaik The GOP refused as an entire party to tax the rich at the same level when Clinton was president. The GOP gave us the ABSOLUTE WORST PRESIDENT EVER ... MINDLESS, CLUELESS bush! The GOP are a bunch of COMPLETE FUCK UPS!!! Under bush were we attacked, then we attack a country who was ABSOLUTELY NO threat to us! The fall of our nation is because we had a president with the brain of a GODDAMN CIRCUS MONKEY for 8 years! The GOP is INSANE & now they fuck with middle class! BAD MOVE!
c1magr8 11 months ago
@c1magr8 Taxes on the "rich" were increased under Woodrow Wilson, Herbert Hoover & FDR. What happened? The Depression of 1921 inherited by Warren Harding & the Great Depression that didn't end until after taxes were lowered & the gov backed off from the economy per pressure from a coalition of Dems & Repubs against Truman. Taxes were lowered under Harding, Coolidge, LBJ per JFK tax cuts, Reagan & Bush '43. That caused an increase in economic activity & in turn more revenue.
Aegius 11 months ago
@Aegius You clearly have not idea what the hell your talking about. The depression was in 1929 and it was directly caused by deregulation. Fast forward to the recession of now, what caused it? Deregulation of the housing market and low taxes on the rich.
AntarcticanCommunist 11 months ago
@AntarcticanCommunist Deregulation? You mean like the Smoot-Hawley tariff act that added tarifs on more than 3500 goods including heavy tarriffs on more than 800? You mean like increasing the highest marginal tax rate from 24% to 63% to 79%? You mean like increasing corporate & real estate taxes from 15% to 30%. There was also the cartelization of industries and massive intervention w/price controls and wage controls under Hoover & FDR. That is regulation. cont...
Aegius 11 months ago
@AntarcticanCommunist Fast forward what caused the current recession was banks being coerced and pressured into providing bad loans to people who couldn't afford to repay them per the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977, amendments in 1989, 1995, & 2005 and the Housing & Community Development Act of 1992. That was massive regulation, not deregulation in 1929 through 1931 and 1977 though 1992 though 2005.
Aegius 11 months ago
@Aegius We are BROKE! The reason we are broke is because we are in 2 needless wars. Under bush we attacked a country that was ABSOLUTELY NO THREAT to us. These wars are bleeding the nation dry. When you have A COMPLETE FUCKING MORON as president for 8 years who starts war & is a TOTAL FUCK UP, this is what happens. The middle class bailed out the arrogant assholes on wall street. The rich get HUGE tax breaks. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! We could raise billions by taxing them more, which we should!
c1magr8 11 months ago
@c1magr8
Wow, finally a voice of reason! I'd welcome you to sub me and watch my vids with a progressive slant. Keep up the good fight brother.
philip0460 11 months ago
@philip0460 Finally! Someone on here with a brain bigger then a fucking cashew! If we could give a simple 6th grade test to all senate, governor, or presidential candidates we NEVER would have heard of bush, bachman, palin, gingrich, Mcconell, or the rest of these FUCKING IDIOTS in the GOP! The fact is, they cannot FUCKING THINK in a rational manner. Instead of making the wealthy pay their fair shar what do these BONEHEADS do? They want more money from the middle class & refuse to tax the rich!
c1magr8 11 months ago
@c1magr8 We are broke, b/c banks were forced to provide loans to people who couldn't repay per the Community Reinvestment Act of 77, amendments in 1989, 1995 & 2005. That led to 1/2 the loans in the hands of FannieMae & FreddieMac and they were bad loans that caused an enormous bubble. That bubble would have occurred w/o the wars which were repaid for. BTW, your derangement on Bush is frankly sick.
Aegius 11 months ago
Finally some rational minded people BROKE THE GRIFTER GRA$P off the tax payers wallets! Democrats have sucked the marrow out of the bones of this States citizens and insist on people handing them some more bodies?(the kids futures..so.. No thanks! We figured out you stupid CAN-AAA-BULL $H!% artists and are going to remove the rest of you STATE BY STATE ......fantastic news!
memama2 11 months ago
@memama2 Hello ASSWIPE! You make a TOTAL ASS out of yourself! You most likely have a third grade education & are a COMPLETE FUCKING IDIOT!!!
c1magr8 11 months ago
c1magr8 - to bad so sad you lost your heavily padded ponzi scam? The rest of us are truly delighted! To take back the demorat rips offs & eco scams & throw them away forever ~
memama2 11 months ago
@memama2 Hello ASSHOLE! You obviously are a WORTHLESS, MINDLESS FUCK just like your boy bush! Yes, the Middle class supports BOTH you the DUMB UNEDUCATED IDIOTS as well as the arrogant wealthy who cry like babies in wet diapers for bailouts! BOOO-HOOO-HOOO!!! You ARE a TOTAL IDIOT!!!!
c1magr8 11 months ago
chigger1magic8000 = you better strap on a big pair of "OPPS! I CRAPPED MY PANTS! .....cause your barry boy is going to be forced on stage at the next Presidential debates without his tele-prompter & face unfiltered questions LOL!
memama2 11 months ago
@memama2 I would LOVE to meet you face to face PUSSY!!!! How's your mininum wage job going FUCK WAD????
c1magr8 11 months ago
c1magr8 = mental illness is a sad thing to see when unmedicated
memama2 11 months ago
@memama2 You wouldn't say that to my face though! Just like a typical REPUBLICAN LOOOOOSER .... you are nothing but an UNEDUCATED IDIOT that has SHIT spewing out of your mouth & you dumb worthless ass!!!
c1magr8 11 months ago
@c1magr8 I like bush!!
RustySurfer23 11 months ago
@RustySurfer23 I know you like bush! You're a COMPLETE FUCKING IDIOT ... just like him!!!
c1magr8 11 months ago
@c1magr8 You seem to be the idiot for damning some one for their opinion, I'll bet your black aren't you.
RustySurfer23 11 months ago
@RustySurfer23 So ... NOT only are you a COMPLETE MINDLESS MORON ... you're a TYPICAL GOP RACSIST MORON! What the hell does my opinion have to do with my race???? The reason that you're an IDIOT is because you write like one!!! Go back to school FUCK HEAD!!!
c1magr8 11 months ago
does anyone think about the fact that the Democrat representatives fled the state and are not there to stand up for the people that are protesting. not to mention, the classic definition of insanity is continuing to do the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. maybe this is what Wisconsin needs. I would personally like to see all politicians take a pay cut and require them to be in office for 20 years to be able to collect a pension.
WHENSPAYDAY 11 months ago
I am proud that April 5, 2011 is coming to Wisconsin so that the folks in Wisconsin can vote these evil RepubKKKians out of office and bring folks with common sense to challange that Crazy Walker Dude!
MrRichardj1 11 months ago
@MrRichardj1 Your not going to vote anybody out of anything. Not enough signatures for any recalls. Plus in 2012 the GOP will have so much coporate money behind it, you wont have a chance. Look, its better this way. You'll see, the new direction that the teaparty is taking us is a wonderful direction filled with debt free years, less negros, and more earning potential for buisness owners.
calimar28 11 months ago
calimar28 - I saw some sweaty faced democrat furious & foaming at the mouth on a cable show. His plan? Take as much money as possible (from obama?)& force Wisconsin to go back to the unsustainable pensions & pay HIM & his government union crow-knezz MO CA$H! p.s.his dolls eyes were ~ rolling around ~ he looked like he was about to scream out = help us baaamaaaaa help us with some owebummer money so wezz can scam this system back!!! aaaaaaahhhhh (it was infuriating & pathetic at the same time)
memama2 11 months ago
@MrRichardj1
Amen my brother!
philip0460 11 months ago
Despicable fucks.
TheHeroicraptor 11 months ago
@jaykerouac2: Well said!
123librarylady 11 months ago
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123librarylady 11 months ago
When will you fools realize that union members pay taxes just like everybody else?! Do you really think they're exempt?! And by the way, Walker's budget bill is going to hideously, adversely affect all but the uber-rich. Cuts to mass transit, cuts to health care, etc. Wake UP, people!
123librarylady 11 months ago
I'm private sector. Make an Excellent wage. No union dues. Excellent Health Insurance. Work any department I want. as many hours as I want. I want for NOTHING.
Union cry babies can BLOW IT OUT THEIR ASS.
ozgood1x 11 months ago
@ozgood1x How long have you been a COMPLETE FUCKING IDIOT??? Were you born this way or are you just an ignorant, uneducated fuck????
c1magr8 11 months ago
"chiggee1-con-tank-ho-russ" cuss ~ is foamin at the mouth over his loss of QUICK - government - CA$H ......happily the rest of the Nation wants their far left liberal insanity epic fail policies to be forced out of office for a couple decades while we regroup & right the USA economy!
memama2 11 months ago
@memama2 How long have you been a TOTAL FUCKING IDIOT??? You are OBVIOUSLY an uneducated FUCK ... that AGAIN the working middle class supports! Yor IGNORANCE is only surpassed by your STUPIDITY! (It means you're a DUMB ASS!)
c1magr8 11 months ago
Union are only sustainable when times are good. Id rather they layoff state workers who do absolutely nothing but punch a time clock and let the remaining state workers keep their bargaining rights The shear number of govt employees is out of control and I've worked in state and federal building for 25 yrs and I can tell you theres not a lot of work getting done. They are unprofessional and time management and multitasking is nonexistant. Private sector needs more of the state work
JesusNonEnviromental 11 months ago
Union teachers and protesters suck on the array of taxpayer teets. We just took the teets away, and they react just as a baby reacts when the teet it is sucking on is taken away.
calimar28 11 months ago
@calimar28 SHUT your PIE HOLE you DUMB MOTHER FUCKER!!!! You are as bright as a brrnt out light bulb!!! Stupid, Mindless, FUCK!!!!
c1magr8 11 months ago
I fully support what this state government is doing with the budget repair bill. All of us in California can't believe the irresponsible behavior of the protesters. May the law and may the respect for the law win. This is why we have police, state laws and law inforcement.
Sun4Niebieskieoczy 11 months ago
Way to go. Let's pass it in the Assembly. Let's prove to the world that USA is a country that works. That economy matters. And the we need to save money. And that the democracy works. People that accuse this state government clearly need to take some economics courses and pipe down. They make a laughing stock out of themselves. Immature kids seem to be more likable and reasonable than them. Democrats proved themselves to be simply selfish and careless about the basics of economics.
CosmicChickenz 11 months ago 2
@CosmicChickenz
Excellent thinking my friend. Way to think.
Sun4Niebieskieoczy 11 months ago
I just love seeing all those Union thugs freak out! The Union bastards at GM got bailed out while the bond and stock holders got screwed. Now that we won the mid terms the tide has turned.
Qbsneak555 11 months ago
the “14” are so upset and scrambling to get to WI. where were they during the VOTE in WI., they were in IL., Well let them stay there, they obviously do NOT care enough for the people to be in WI. to be there for the vote
meltdown53 11 months ago
Go Scott Walker Go...way to defeat those union thugs! The youth of Wisconsin thank you for preventing the Regressives from adding any more debt!
Qbsneak555 11 months ago
I wonder what would happen if the TEA PARTY stormed a Public building? Who are the violent, uneducated, anti-democratic goons now?! Anyone?
alfamax4562 11 months ago
screw the unions. i want the republicans to pass the bill
BarbulaM1 11 months ago
IT'S TOO LATE, WISCONSIN WORKERS HAVE LOST. KEEP VOTING REPUBLICAN AND BE PREPARED TO HAVE NO HEALTH CARE, LOWER SALARY, NO VACATION PAY, NO WEEKENDS ETC. WHAT A SHAME. THANK YOU KOCH BROTHERS!
philip0460 11 months ago
@philip0460 Good, then you can move to liberal Vermont where you get all the welfare you want.
calimar28 11 months ago
@calimar28
I don't need welfare you teabagging idiot. I have a job. But who knows how much longer I'll be making what I am.. Unions invented the "weekend", "vacation", "sick days" etc. And you like an idiot are defending the corporate elite who are rolling in the dough and now got an even bigger tax cut from King Walker. I don't understand how you can call yourself an American. You sound like a fascist!
philip0460 11 months ago
@philip0460 You have welfare now at the expense of the taxpayer. Lavish pentions, vacations, whatever. You dont like it? Go make your own buisness and then you can make your own rules. Once you own a buisness you will turn GOP real fast, you will see how hard it is. You sound like a communist, wanting the state to provide this and that. Provide for yourself!
calimar28 11 months ago
@calimar28
You know what? I'm done. You will see how YOU yourself will be affected when the bar is lowered and there is no union to negotiate for higher pay, benefits etc. I don't care for myself since I work for a nonunion company who tells us when to jump and we say "yes sir how high". If you want to be a monkey and do whatever corporate America says you are nothing but a spineless puppet. I hope they take away your vacation pay, weekends, health care etc. which by the way unions created.
philip0460 11 months ago
@philip0460 Ok, lets see what happens. Who knows, mabye with the unions going down and coporate taxes soon to be slashed, some of those "evil coporations" that you hate so much might just come back to the USA from China and we can work again.
calimar28 11 months ago
@calimar28
Oh really? Let me see if I have thisright. Now with unions gone and workers making LESS money, corporate taxes down, companies will come back? Chinese workers make close to nothing. Unless you want the US to become a banana republic and we work for 50 cents an hour. Under Bush, he cut corporate taxes and guess what? JOBS STILL WENT OVERSEAS. Keep drinking the FOX Koolaid Fact is, when workers make MORE, the economy grows, but know nothing of facts LOL
philip0460 11 months ago
@philip0460 I like a Banana republic wage system. I am against all minimum wage. Before minimum wage in the late 1800's and early 1900's, low level workers made MORE than they do today BECAUSE of minimum wage. In 1895, the avarage worker made equivilant to 11 dollars an hour today. That's much more than the 7 dollar an hour minimum wage. Govt keeps wages artificially low!
Most comapnies dont mind paying more to be in America. But corporate/payroll/property/income taxes make it not worth it
calimar28 11 months ago
@calimar28
Are you serious? Are you sure you aren't on crack? LOL So you would be ok making $3.50 an hour? I know I wouldn't. People who are reading this will know that you are just a corporate elitist teabagger who wouldn't know the truth if it hit you in the butt.
philip0460 11 months ago
@philip0460 Look, goverment regulations on income like minimum wage, actually drives wages down. I dont expect you to understand that, you have to know somethng about economics.
calimar28 11 months ago
@calimar28
But what good is driving business up if you're not making enough money to live? You sound like a moron.
philip0460 11 months ago
@philip0460 You must understand something...we are now in a world economy. The days of guarenteed vacations, pentions, and wages, are over. Now we will compete with Vietnam, China, and other nations who pay 42 cents an hour. Some of our lowest skilled may have to work for as much...that is life. You must learn to adjust...the party is over.
calimar28 11 months ago
@calimar28
You're an idiot. If my job told me I'd have to work for 42 cents and hour, I'd get another job. And if every job in this country paid peanuts, I'd be singing O Canada!
philip0460 11 months ago
@philip0460 Please, go to Canada then. They like Marxism I heard.
Now, get used to the Teaprty. We are in charge. You know, you liberals dont seem to mind that illegal aliens POUR into the nation and get taxpayer healthcare, taxpayer schooling, and use taxpayer roads, driving up our debt and driving YOUR wages down. But when we consevatives try to do something about it, you dont play ball. Instead you help the Mexican nationals, but now you want our help?
Get bent
calimar28 11 months ago
@calimar28
You sound like idiot. If the country goes teabagger, which it won't, I would go to Canada with pleasure. Their people actually CARE about each other. They are free and not racist, xenophobic and homophobic like many Americans. They give health care to their people and allow EVERYONE to marry. I think in time we will become more like Canada. If we become more like Nazi Germany, I'm outta here with pleasure!
philip0460 11 months ago
@philip0460 You know, if you were reasonable over the last few years, we would of played ball and let you keep your unions. But instead you drove up debt worse than the GOP did. You shelter illegals who are ruining the nation. You ram an Obamacare bill up our asses. YOU WERE NOT REASONABLE. Now, the tide has turned. This year the states will re-district. Guess who controls governorships and legeslators in most states? :) New districts = another 60 seat pick-up in the house in 2012. ;)
calimar28 11 months ago
@philip0460 Unions didn't invent the "weekend" or "vacation." The Puritans did. Look it up. "Sick days" also didn't come from unions. You really should do some research or actually bother to read a book. Good book: "The Roots of Capitalism", by John Chamberlain. BTW, gov run health care has been a consistent failure in 4 states(ME, HI, MA, TN). All failures & all bankruptcy. What Repubs want are private markets to handle it, b/c they WILL do a far superior job than gov.
Aegius 11 months ago
@Aegius
Private markets? LOLOLOL You mean like the ones that let little kids die who don't have insurance or who have preexisting conditions? Private for-profit insurance is as antiquated as the stagecoach... the only reason it still exists is because it's profit driven and the American system is profit driven and could care less about dying people... oh, but God forbid you talk about fetuses, then the right wingnuts have a cow LOL
philip0460 11 months ago
@philip0460 We don't have a private market for ins in USA, b/c there is no access to ins across state lines. INstead there is only access to several within any given state. If all 1300 ins cos competed, they would have no choice, but to provide max care w/min cost as they ALL would compete for the best quailty care. Competition would FORCE the ins cos to care. Gov bureaucracies only care when all Hell is raised against them & even then they still go bankrupt & become corrupt.
Aegius 11 months ago
@Aegius
That would help, sure. But a public option is better.
philip0460 11 months ago
@philip0460 Ever heard of this thing called a "raise". It's that increase in wages & benefits that workers get from working at a co. Why do cos do that? Answer: 1)reward for hard work. 2)The cos want to keep their employees as replacing them is a long, difficult and costly process. Benefits increased w/o gov & unions throughout American history as only 3% of workers were in unions yet benefits, wages and conditions improved. That is a fact, not your fantasy. cont...
Aegius 11 months ago
@Aegius
So you're saying only "hard workers" get raises? LOL There is no cronyism in companies? What planet did you say you're from ? LOL
philip0460 11 months ago
@philip0460 What planet are you living on? Have you ever had a job? You never got a raise? You never got bonuses? At every job that I had I got raises from working hard and being there from prolonged periods of time, b/c the employer wanted to retain me.
Aegius 11 months ago
@Aegius
Yes, I got a raise and yes I got bonuses. When I was in the union I got regular raises and better bonuses. Now I get them when the company feels like it.
philip0460 11 months ago
@philip0460 I have had jobs w/unions & w/o unions and in both places I got regular raises and better bonuses. That appllies to MILLIONS of people.
A public option? You mean have the gov run things 100% and watch the conditions deteriorate w/lack of competition and no improvements & skyrocketing costs as occurred in ME, HI, TN and MA. Gov control leads to skyrocketing costs & plummeting quality as there is no control of costs & rationing needs to be done to keep within budget.
Aegius 11 months ago
@Aegius
Dude, I think you are referring to "universal health care'. A public option is REAL competition with REAL insurance companies. The government will undercut insurance companies which in turn MUST lower what they charge the insurer. Makes perfect sense.
philip0460 11 months ago
@philip0460 A public option means gov keeps the price at a lower cost to eliminate competition as it just turns to the tax payer to pay the added bonus. It's just a gov means of sneaking universal care through the back door. Real ins cos operate w/o gov interference including across state lines. The price controls that you are talking about just lead to shortages and rationing.That's reality, not fantasy.
Aegius 11 months ago
@Aegius
But I thought you liked competition. Are you afraid the government will undercut the insurance companies? LOL
philip0460 11 months ago
@philip0460 When gov takes over, there is NO COMPETITION, b/c gov just uses tax payer dollars to undercut everyone else. When gov takes over, all competition is eliminated and there is no competition. Gov just takes from the tax payers to cover the costs & does nothing to keep them down unless tax payers raise Hell. Quality plummets w/the rationing. Eventually the end game is bankruptcy & failure and that ALREADY has occurred in HI, ME, TN(2X) and MA. Reality, not your fantasies.
Aegius 11 months ago
@Aegius
My fantasies are reality. Your realities are FACTUALLY fantasies. READ!
philip0460 11 months ago
@philip0460 What factual realities? Like MA going bankrupt in large measure due to Romneycare as the Sec of Treasury admitted to? Like $3 trillion of unfunded liabilities in states and localities as gov employee unions have ensured that the costs of pensions, benefits & salaries are out of control? Like numerous failed gov programs and the failure of the Great Society and War on Poverty?
Aegius 11 months ago
@Aegius
You know I have wasted way too much with you. Since you are a millionaire and have all the time in the world since you don't have a job, you can post your lies over and over. I on the other hand have a life and will move on. I have a good feeling that progressive thought will prevail and the Wisconsin tragedy will propel Democrats back into power. BYE LOSER
philip0460 11 months ago
@philip0460 So I'm a millionaire and a loser too? Wow. I didn't know that a millionaire can be a loser. Thanks for informing me. I haven't provided personal info to u, b/c Lefties try to use personal info about their opponents to destroy them rather than deal w/their ideas. It's really cowardly and despicable and 1 of the biggest things that turns me off from the Left. As for progressive thought prevailing it already did and the end game for it has arrived: failure & bankruptcy.
Aegius 11 months ago
@Aegius
yes you a loser and a millionaire. see how you think? money is EVERYTHING to you. All because you have money doesn't make you a WINNER... look at Charlie Sheen and Ghadaffi... both millionaires and losers... just like you
philip0460 11 months ago
@philip0460 If wealth causes 1 to think on the Right and not the Left, then why are Michael Moore, George Soros, Ted Turner, Bill Gates, Nancy Pelosi, Warren Buffet and numerous other wealthy people on the Left then? & why are so many poor and middle class people on the Right? Why is it that Repubs win elections with millions of votes from poor and middle class people? Money means everything to me? I donated blood more than 40 times to Red Cross & did a lot of volunteer work. Nice try though.
Aegius 11 months ago
@Aegius
Oh, ok so now you're Mother Teresa too LOL. You've done it all haven't you? This statement is your biggest lie yet! Middle class and poor people usually vote Democrat, sorry dude. The exceptions are in the deep south where you vote Republican because Jesus told them too LOLOLOL
philip0460 11 months ago
@philip0460 I didn't say that I am Mother Teresa. U accused me of being solely out for money. Sorry, but you have no basis for that. In fact conservatives donate far more to charity and engage in volunteer work than Libs, b/c they believe that people should do so voluntarily, while Libs think that gov should force people to do that.
I stated that MILLIONS of people who are poor and MC vote Repub. Repubs couldn't win elections solely w/wealthy voters esp as many wealthy are... cont...
Aegius 11 months ago
@philip0460 cont... esp as many wealthy including the Hollywood elite vote Democrat. I didn't lie about donating blood, donating to charity or doing volunteer work. In truth the majority of White MC people do vote Repub.. Why? They want minimal gov and less laws and not be bothered by gov.
Aegius 11 months ago
@philip0460 Hollywood actors, directors, etc are also all on the Left and they are millionaires. Why aren't they on the Right?
Aegius 11 months ago
@Aegius
Well, I think it's because they were once middle class and weren't born with a silver spoon in their mouths.
philip0460 11 months ago
@philip0460 Just bequiet philip. The majority of "Republicans" (I am not one, I have no party) are blue collar people. Deal with it. Sorry. It is what it is. The majority of Democrats are minorities and bleeding heart whites who don't know basic math. Learn some, mate.
ZergSpawnSC2Armory 11 months ago
@ZergSpawnSC2Armory
Wrong. You astutely said you're not a Republican, but you seem to defend everything they do. Blue collar people vote Democrat by and large. Deal with it. The majority of Republicans are rich white corporate elitists and bleeding heart evangelicals. Learn some, mate
philip0460 11 months ago
@philip0460 Actually the wealthiest Congressional districts vote Democrat and most blue collar Whites vote Republican. That's the real reality.
Aegius 11 months ago
@Aegius
Really now? So the rich vote against their interests? Interesting. Keep talking because you keep showing how ignorant you are. Being that I'm on a teabagger blog, you all can gang up on me all you want, but that's fine. I will NEVER EVER vote TEABAG in my life. So type away. Remember, 2012 is coming ... Obama in, Walker out LOLOLOL
philip0460 11 months ago
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Aegius 11 months ago