One virtue of crude vulgarity is that it isn't a bunch of made up baloney designed to control the credulous. It seems to me that it logically follows that people aren't interested in spreading lies and misrepresentations and are more comfortable spreading profanity. If your "faith" can't compete with fart jokes you might want to reconsider the absurd unsupported claims it makes and honestly evaluate why it is that people are more interested in 3rd grade toilet humor. I'm laughing... at you.
A classic apologetic story, that involves a ridiculously cocky atheist professor and a humble christian student, ending with the former being humiliated in front of an audience.
To state the obvious, it's very unlikely, that a teacher would so blatantly insult his pupils, risking his job and reputation.
Secondly, no one with even a basic expertise in epistemology would try to prove that an unfalsifiable concept(god) is false.Why would a professor of philosophy try that?Hah, get fucking real.
it's not about throwing a youtube video in someones face to prove God exists (and I believe He does) it's about convincing someone through natural evidences in biology, astronomy and other sciences that secular and religous scholars alike can agree on. If you can prove that the universe didn't suddenly appear from an explosion of nothingness, then does that improve or lessen the case for creation?
A "Made Up" Facebook Chain Viral. Im so very sick of these. Who was the professor? who was the student? This is how you commit to save God, with Lies? THATS why no one believes.... Because of so many lies and so many exposed liar Christians who refuse to apologize for their actions and instead add more lies to cover their wrong doings. There are far too many TRUE stories of heroes and sacrifice to waste ANYONE's time with this dribble. Find one.
This is what we call an urban legend you guys. Like the legend of the hook handed man, it's not necessarily true but that isn't the point. the point is the moral or message it's trying to convey. Kind of like Jesus did with parables. So, everyone stop blowing a gasket, okay?
@TKOblue "You consider the sixty-six books in the Bible different genres? Like modern genres in literature? Exactly which genres do they fit into?" That it is different genres isn't something new, read more about it. Examples of genres would be poetry, historical accounts, symbolism is often used (Book of Revelation, Genesis etc) etc.
If you think about it the man who came up with the "Big Bang Theory" committed his life to a full dedicated christian a few years later and now this man stands in Christianity and claims his "point" was a total lie.
@cassiedenise14: I smell bullshit. What's your source on this claim that Georges Lemaitre recanted? The Big Bang is more than just an assumption, I'm afraid. And even if the man who first suggested it recanted it, it wouldn't make a difference; other researchers have furthered our knowledge of universal expansion ten-fold.
How about this if you believe in GOD worry only about GOD your family and yourself if you dont well go to h ll!!!!! If you dont believe in GOD then that means you did not care he brought you in this world to bring peace not stupidity
Ummm nobodys forcing their religion on anybody. What happened to religious tolerance? How come when it comes to Christianity there is no religious tolerance for their beliefs. If Christians believe that Jesus is the only way and theres a heaven and a hell and belief in Jesus as Lord and Saviour is the only way then how can you tell them theyre wrong if you havent died and found out.....i think you should research more into Christianity and the claims they make before you start making comments
@jammyfuhtrue357: There is a difference between religious tolerance and having one's beliefs shoved down your throat.
Plus, your logic is astounding. With it, I could say that the afterlife consists of a dimension our energy goes to that is entirely made out of cotton candy and you couldn't say a thing, as you "haven't died and found out". You cannot simply assume something exists within the unknown and then tell others who don't care all about it. Keep it to yourself.
if youre christian and your friends are christian, then yes, pass it on, but if your friendss aren't, dont force your religion on them. it would be the same as them coming up to you with one single example of god not existing, and saying "therefore, god does not exist and you should not believe in him". its absolutely rediculous. stop forcing your religion on people. christians are the only ones who do it. why? because you believe you way is the onnly way thats right. but youre wrong.
@kingbolbo1 christians are the only ones who do it? are you serious, do u watch the news? muslims impose their religion a million times more than any christian i ever heard about!!
thanks for this video & maybe one day thos who dont believe will stop pretending god dosent exist and they will wake up like that professor and thos students
Did you seriously change this story? This was about a muslim doing this?
Islam is the right religion, only in Islam we have faith and proof. Any other religion has only faith. Feel free to debate with me on the personal messages.
One day, EVERY KNEE will bow and EVERY MOUTH will confess that Jesus is Lord. I hope to see most of you in paradise, and I hope all of you who don't believe will soon believe. God bless
this video makes it seem like christianity is the only legitimate religion... im not really religious or anything, but i think it is kinda wrong to make it out to be the only correct religion...
It is amazing that this stupid video still gets so many views. It has been demonstrated to have never happened, and even if it had, wouldn't prove anything.
The chalk not breaking doesn't prove god's existence any more than it breaking (95% of the time) proves there is no god.
@thricerocks The reason why the chalk was broken that 95% is because no on stood up.. No one had the courage to stand up for their faith. Until this guy did. And there are many similar stories all over the place. Its all about standing up for your beliefs.
@soccorlvr97 The thing is, even if the standing is what "caused" it, it does not prove anything. It is still a made up story, as are all these silly chain letters. The message is a stupid one. Faith is not a virtue, it is a disease.
@thricerocks How in the world is standing up for your beliefs a disease? and having faith a disease? You can't go through life without something to hold on to.
@soccorlvr97 I didn't say that standing up for your beliefs is a disease, I did however say that faith is. If you are standing up for a belief that you have no real reasons for believing other than "faith" then you are being stupid. You can hold onto things that are physical and observable, such as loved ones. You are stronger than you give yourself credit for, you don't need faith in a god to get through.
@thricerocks But those loved ones you hold on to aren't going to be there forever. One day they will be gone. Then what? But Jesus is always there for us
@soccorlvr97 Is he though? What reasons do you have to believe he is anything more than a character in a story? If he is just a figment of your imagination, how is it that he is helping?
For most people, as loved ones die, more come into one's life. The thing to hold onto doesn't need to be people though, it could simply be something you love to do, a hobby. Again, you are stronger than you give yourself credit for.
@thricerocks I feel him. I talk to him and he answers back. I see him everyday through his creation. Gah it's really hard to explain. He makes this crazy life better by giving people love. Not just love. By REAL UNCONDITIONAL love that humans cant ever possibly give. Jesus choose us and sent his son to die on a cross for us. So that we may have everlasting life. How do you think the world and people were made?
@soccorlvr97 I understand that you think he is real, believe me I do. When you say he answers back, do you get a feeling or hear an audible voice? If it is the second option, you may want to get looked at for schizophrenia. Honestly, couldn't the love you attribute to him simply be the feeling that you are expecting, and not really be caused by anything external? (Hint, psychology claims it can.)
I do not know how everything came to be, but it was nearly certainly naturalistic.
If you ppl don't believe in God, answer these questions.
1. If God didn't exist, who made Earth? Who gave you life? Who is always watching you day and night and forgiving your sins? A human being can't just do that. Understand that God is always there.
2. If God didn't exist, why do you have original sin? God made Adam and Eve, which started original sin.
Believe and don't forget, that without him, we wouldn't be able to accept the wonderful gift of life we have now.
well god is real and if you do not belive then thats you look around he is every where and stops bad things sometimes but satin causes most bad things
@TKOblue Looking for valid reason? Read the Bible. Don't believe it? Look around you. Do you think you're in an environment that just popped out of nowhere? That something only happens by chance? Here: try praying for something. Pray hard, and not a half-hearted one. Try asking for forgiveness and ask for peace and guidance. I promise you, he WILL open your eyes. God bless.
@3sha6javier: The Bible is a book of contradictions and violence. I suggest YOU read it.
I "look around" and I do not see the work of a divine creator. I see existence, and with that existence is an enigma that you pretend to know the answer to.
I have prayed. I was a Christian up until a couple years ago, mind you. I was just as devout as you are currently, if not moreso. So, if praying is the big eye-opener, why have I decided to become an atheist? Because I believe it's nonsense.
@3sha6javier: I was born a Christian. My dad told me all other religions were ridiculous, that Christianity was the right one, and I believed him because I was just a child. I was a very outspoken Christian, which in turn made me an all-around little douchebag. I was also dangerous; I recall one incident in which I scratched my arm until I drew a bit of blood when I was upset one day, hoping that would appease "God" and make my life better. Obviously, the religion made me very (continuing)
@3sha6javier: unstable. I actually once remember another incident in which I was utterly convinced I had heard a whisper and then intense pain came over my head while I was walking my dog. I instantly believed it was a demon doing me harm. Upon further investigation, I found that the "whisper" was an acorn falling off a tree and smacking leaves as it went down, and the pain was it hitting me on the head.
Then, that moment of gullibility washed away and I simply labeled myself (cont)
@3sha6javier: (cont'd) a Christian without really doing much to live up to it. Eventually, when I was fourteen, I discovered a friend of mine on this exact video, debating. Upon reading the debates, I applied common sense and realized that the Christians hadn't a downright clue what they were talking about. I soon realized that Christianity is full of bloodlust and contradictions, and I am saddened by my past involvement in it. There you have it. No tragic story. Just the maturing of a mind.
@3sha6javier: And, since my atheism, I have become ten times the person I ever could have had I kept on with my faith in a religion responsible for the Dark Ages. I am very tolerant of others. I understand and cope with the senseless universe we live in, giving MYSELF meaning by what I want and not what a Church wants. The religion has done too much harm, and the good doesn't outweight it. Many of the religion's representatives are absolute morons, also.
@TKOblue Hmm.. I'm not saying I'm right, but I think those people who taught you religion might take some blame. I don't know what they tell you (or maybe it's just you), but I'm just telling you to take another chance. Because I've seen a lot of miracles everyday with just a prayer and faith. I mean, what harm can it do? You'll just give it another try. If it doesn't work, then I'm sorry for the trouble. But mind you, when it comes to the trial, I did my best. God bless.
"Because I've seen a lot of miracles everyday with just a prayer and faith."
I'd be willing to bet that these "miracles" you claim turn out to be nothing more than useless anecdotes and incidents for which cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias are applied for subjective validation. Intellectually dishonesty and suspension of reason in order to submerge oneself in delusion behavior is harmful, Christianity is bunk and this has been demonstrated time and again.
@Juicebox714 No, actually. There was actually this poor man we know that wants to open a coffee shop. He was a Christian, while his pagan families were rich. Anyway, his sister promised to give him money for his shop. Months passed, until his sister died. He was really angry, up to the point that he was cursing God. After a week, his mother told him that in his sister's will, she left him 10 TIMES of what she was supposed to offer. So, is THAT biased? I'll tell you more if that doesn't suffice.
THAT is an anecdote (reread my initial response). Where in that story is the testable, measurable objective evidence that validates the god claim? You've described a coincidence, and applied confirmation bias to it in order to promote it as a "miracle". More anecdotal examples such as this wouldn't suffice any more than this did.
@Juicebox714 Coincidence? So that means a LOT of coincidences are happening now. The fact that you're alive, that I am, too. And that we're arguing about this. Coincidence, was it, when the Bible was made? That you aren't a believer? Tell me, if that's just coincidence, then how the heck was this world created?
By your standards them it would also be a coincidence that your god just happened to exist in order to create all this. You're essentially alluding to the probability argument, that the chances of these things happening are too remote for their not to have been a god at work behind the scenes. You're forgetting, of course, that any other scenario is just as equally improbable, It's also equally improbable that it was your god and not one of an infinite number of possibilities
Regardless, the formation of the Earth and eventually the life that inhabits it is well understood and doesn't require a divine creator to explain. There is plenty of evidence to support cosmological and biological evolution, and none for your god. So speaking of coincidences, isn't it a coincidence that your omnipotent, omnipresent god leaves no trace of his existence behind even after purportedly creating the entire universe?
@Juicebox714 Really? How was it demonstrated? And how does it contradict one another? Please, enlighten a fellow. (Not being sarcastic, in case you're offended or not.)
It contains a self-contradictory god figure, it's foundational scriptures are scientifically bereft, historically inaccurate and morally compromised, every testable claim Christianity makes has been debunked scientifically (power of prayer, faith healing), the subjective accounts (feelings, visions) are experienced by adherents to all religions.
@Juicebox714 Really? That, I didn't know. Can you give an example in which "every testable claim Christianity makes has been debunked scientifically"? How can you explain how this world came to be? That it just popped here and us people and our surroundings suddenly appeared? Or do you have another opinion on this one?
" Can you give an example in which "every testable claim Christianity makes has been debunked scientifically"? "
I did. The power of prayer (numerous studies, including Benson in 2006, demonstrated that prayer has no tangible, measurable effect on reality), faith healers (There has never been any case which could be demonstrated scientifically to have been divine healing, cases of low probability remissions are within accepted margins of error).
Pick up a science book and read it some time. Read about the big bang, read about abiogenesis, read about evolution, read about the wealth of evidence supporting these theories. These tired tactics of "how did everything get here" are nothing more than a logical fallacy, if you were truly interested in answers to these questions you'd research it legitimately instead of burying your head in bronze aged scriptures.
@Juicebox714 The father of the Big Bang was George Lemaitre who was not only an Astronomer, but also a priest. The Big Bang implies the theological judeo-Christian concept of Creation ex-nihilo and that the Universe hasn't always existed. Abiogenesis is interesting but not relevant to the question of why anything exist rather than nothing. Evolution is true and quite consistent witht he church father Agustine and his views of an evolving Creation. Do some research yourself.
The big bang implies no such thing. It describes a rapid expansion of spacetime from superdense matter. The Judeo-Christian concept is the creation of the universe from nothingness by god, the big bang describes the expansion of the universe from pre-existing matter. It makes no comment on what came before and it does not imply an intelligent creator as the initiating mechanism.
@Juicebox714 I don't think you understand the Big Bang much here. The Big Bang was the expansion of Spacetime from a point in the sense that the scale factor was reduced to zero, when the scalefactor is reduced to zero, so does all the distances. All the matter and energy was cramed into a volume om zero, this was the initial singularity, there was no space,time, matter and energy "before" that.
@Juicebox714 Like Barrow and Tipler in explains, "At this singularity, space and time came into existence; literally nothing existed before this singularity, so, if the Universe originated at such a singularity, we would truly have a creation ex nihilo." There was nothing physical 'prior' to the singularity in the standard Big Bang model.
Unfortunately, the singularity idea (you'll notice I did not use this term) has been generally dismissed. The source of that quote is from a book that is now 25 years old. Barrow himself retracts this idea in his book "The Book of Nothing" which he wrote in 2000.
@Juicebox714 No, not really, Singularity theorems have been succesfully proposed later aswell, in 2003 a major one was made that showed that Universes with an Hubble average value greater than zero must possess an Initial Singularity. It is much more general than Hawking and Penrose singularity theorems which had more assumptions and relied on Einsteins theory of Relativity. The 2003 theorem doesn't.
@Juicebox714 The standard model possesses an Initial Singularity, what theorists want to know is whether the singularity will still be there when Quantum Mechanical effects are taken into account. Because Penrose and Hawkings theorem relied on General Relativity, which breaks down at the Planck length, it was believed that they could be avoided by Quantum Gravity models. But that doesn't seem completely sure as of now due to theorems not relying on Relativity.
@Juicebox714 You seem to fail to grasp that Singularities are not required for a theory predicting creation ex nihilo. Barrow and Tipler note that themselves in their book saying that classical Quantum Gravity models also originate ex nihilo, just not out of a point of infinite quantities. Barrow himself says that Quantum Cosmologies are quite alike, just differing on whether there were a singularity. Which seems harder since 2003.
@TheisticThinker "That it just popped here and us people and our surroundings suddenly appeared?"
This would be the comment that abiogenesis was directed at. So yes, it was relevant to the discussion at hand, and is one of the mechanisms that ultimately led to the reality that we now experience. Evolution absolutely is true and while it may be consistent with Augustine it is not consistent with the bible, and it is not consistent with the creationist view.
@Juicebox714 "Evolution absolutely is true and while it may be consistent with Augustine it is not consistent with the bible, and it is not consistent with the creationist view." That I take very seriously, why is it not "consistent" with the Bible? It is not consistent with Creationism, that's a difference, you gotta tell me why.
The bible infers the age of the Earth through genealogy to be in the realm of 6-10,000 years old. It also infers a catastrophic flooding event that occurred approximately 4400 years ago. For diversity to occur such as it has this would be impossible within the given time frame. The bible also distinctly states that god created man in his image. Are you inferring that god is a protein?
@Juicebox714 "The bible infers the age of the Earth through genealogy to be in the realm of 6-10,000 years old." Hahaha, no, where does it says that?
"The bible also distinctly states that god created man in his image. Are you inferring that god is a protein?" Wtf? Do you seriously believe it was meant to be taken as we "look" like God and are like him as if God were physical?
@Juicebox714 What you are forgetting is that later in the Bible in many places, what they are reffering to as 'In Gods image' is our ability to reason, know right from wrong etc. You are taking a literal Creationist view regarding it, trying to refute those who don't even consider Creationism seriously.
@TheisticThinker: When are you supposed to take the Bible literally, and when aren't you? Perhaps you and other Christians shouldn't be taking the concept of an eternal paradise awaiting for you in the afterlife as "literal". Who are you to decide which parts of the book are metaphors, and which aren't?
Your whole comment pressuposes that the Bible is one book, when in fact it is 66 seperate ones written in different genres. Some historical, some poetic. Genesis has been recognized by many churchfathers (and schollars) to be poetic, allegorical and metaphorical, which should be quite clear. Creationism is a recent development and is not part of traditional Christianity. Context is key, don't take the text out of it and distort it.
@TKOblue It's quite clear due to the simple fact that you look at it as a unit of one document, instead of 66 different, which should be treated in their own way, even though the documents as a whole paints a grand picture. Realizing that the Bible isn't one genre but made up of many depending on the document is something you should realize. Read up on Saint Augustine, N.T. Wright, Peter Enns, etc.
@TheisticThinker: It's not clear, you just felt like reiterating a point that has nothing to do with what I asked you. I'll take a look at your suggested authors, however.
@TKOblue Uhm, to me it sounds that you need to make it clear what your point is. You asked how we should interpret different narratives and what is meant; My point was that you look on the Bible as one text, instead of 66 documents in different genres. There is a difference between a historical account and an author trying to visualize somehting using metaphors.
@TheisticThinker: My question was how to distinguish what is metaphor and what is not. You replied saying that the Bible is not one book, but sixty-six books, which literally has absolutely nothing to do with my question -- actually, no: you told ME that *I* look at it as one book instead of sixty-six despite the fact I had not implied anything of the sort in my question.
@TKOblue Well yes it has, the way something is painted in different genres are very clear. The Psalms are usually though of as poetic and is therefore written in a, well, poetic way. This should make you think when reading these texts. If I were to intepret a poetic text as a historical account instead of poetry then I would quite easily see contradictions and the text itself would probably not make sense. This I see quite much with Creationists.
@TheisticThinker: I understand that. Which is why I asked my first question: how do YOU, personally, determine what is to be taken literally? It's obviously not told in the Bible which is which. How do YOU decide? Do you simply read the works of others and decide to agree with them (probably without looking at opposing thoughts or research)?
@TKOblue How I "determine" what is to be taken literallt and what not? What "determines" that is the genre, context and how it fits into the rest of the text.
@TheisticThinker: Well, taking the texts literally would be the same as what the genre is, apparently, as you said the genres were poetry, historical accounts, or symbolism.
@TKOblue I mean literal, as in 'literal'. For example, if it stood written "And I watched as the people drowned in their own sadness after what had happened" (Not a very good example, but you get it) If I were to take that compeltely literal, then I would believe that people drowned in their own sadness, as in real 'drowning'. But I see the context and realize that it probably not inteded to be read that way, as it doesn't even make sense and is not coherent.
@TKOblue The Gospels are recognized as historical documents written about what the authors believed to be historical events. Which is why there is a study of the historical Jesus, New Testament history etc. Another example of a different genre would be Proverbs, which can be classed as 'Wisdom literature', then we can take the Psalms which in an overview can be classed as poetic with its heavily use of poetic language and questions.
@TKOblue As much as you can see the difference in genres between a horror book and a popular science book, you notice the difference in the way the different books in the Bible describe and visualize.
@TKOblue Uhm? Try to read my post again and not impose what you want to hear... The point, which you seem to have a hard time understanding, is that there is a difference between genres. And I gave an example of that. I don't know what you want to imply with this post. Read my posts 2 times next time to be sure to not misinterpret them. ;)
Nothing you have posited is a particularly stunning revelation. Who cares that theists in the past have backed or founded hypotheses that have gone on to become scientific theories with theistic implications? The crux of 3sha6javier's argument was that god must exist because we can't explain how we got here. We absolutely can explain how we got here without the need for god. That's the point, perhaps you missed it.
@Juicebox714 Weel then I may have misunderstood you on some parts. Yeah, we know quite much about how we came to this point, but we still don't know the answer to Leibniz question 'Why does anything exist, rather than nothing?'. Also, I don't view God as something we just plug into gaps we don't understand, but the concept of God as an unphysical being who brought the Universe into being is something I find quite much support for. Also questions why the Universe seems to have life in mind.
@TKOblue Ah. I see. I think it's the way that you visualized the concept of being a Christian. I know you were just a child back then and it was expected for you to get some preconceived notions about it. But to use that as a base of seeing whether Christianity is true or not? I don't think that's very good. I've also seen a lot of videos like this, and my faith did waver a bit, but I still know that in my heart, Christ lives. Have you accepted him as Lord when you were still a Christian?
@94081lego well to be perfectly honest i didn't say that, i typed it. and referring to ❝ how i could say that❞ it's quite simple really. all i had to do was:
-be able to spell in English ✔
-be entitled to share my own opinions ✔
-and lastly know how to post a comment on youtube ✔
@jessedictor I was in that class. Well, not really, but that is such a vivid story that he couldn't have made it up unless he was a champion storyteller or something...
@94081lego I googled the title in snopes.com, and found that its an inspirational story. It was originally found in a clergyman's memoirs. The way he worded it, he also didn't see it happen, and he may of meant it to be inspirational and not factual.
If USC had a teacher doing that in the last thirty years, that's news to them. No one's ever heard of someone devoting a period depromoting god, and no Professor's Name has ever been given for the story.
@94081lego inspirations don't have to be real. Its better if they're not in a lot of ways. they can bend to meet our needs. I just didn't believe it was real. But lots of fake things make me feel better. Like female orgasms.
One day I was about to get jumped by some mexicans when I lived in NY. There were about 3 of them, and they had me surrounded, and my back was literally to a wall. A young can came walking down the street wearing a bright red shirt, and he said to the mexicans "Don't touch him, Leave him alone right now" The look on their faces was a look of terror. The young man look at me a said "are you OK" Isaid yes. There mexicans left, I turned around to thank the young man, a second later but he was Gone.
@EvilRyuGuy The point wasn't about the faith of the student (ie, the chalk not shattering) but rather the faith of the professor.
In other words, the faith of the professor relied on ill, infectual and finite standards. By the chalk not breaking (let's say a chances, 1 out of 100) there's always that 1 chance or remaining possiblity that he'd be wrong. Even Dawkins has said that on a scale of 1 to 7, that GOD doesn't exist (7 being, absolutely not), he claims 6.9. watch?v=wF-yUYRo5AY
Too many good people die harshly in this world for a protective loving god to hold real weight anymore as something to believe in. People are entrained to respect and obey authority figures, as presented in the bible. Those authorities could care less about the bulk of humanity.
atheist all the way here, you do realise, some time or another, the chalk was bound not to break -.- and like the crappy move title "A series of unfortunate events" staring jim carry, thats exactly what happened, A series of unfortunate events. i dont care if you do believe in god. i accept that there can be, even may be, a god. but i dont put my faith in some one that has never helped me one bit.
@BBthePally if you seem God dont help you in a way you like Him to, it doesnt mean doesnt exist or doesnt love you. maybe He is just waiting to surrender yourself to Him. and when you do, the rest will be miracle. trust me. i once like you before. just surrender everything to Him, He will do the rest. He will not Help someone who dont want to be helped or doesnt trust Him with all your faith. Come to Him with all your heart and see for yourself. there's no harm in trying. =))
@BBthePally@BBthePally the grammar is not important, its the thought. God doesn't look if you're good in English or not. maybe you're an expert in english,maybe you have a PH.D. ng english. it doesnt matter to God. even the mute and deaf have places in heaven.=)
Cool story even if its true it doesnt show anything xD And tbh atheist and ppl who just dont believe are more smarter and they show less hungry for power money and so on... Jesus took the last coin(penny) how u call it or how was it called back then from lady who had the last one did he? He said "She gave more then all of you" but still he took it :D WHEN POWER OF LOVE OVERCOMES THE LOVE FOR POWER EARTH WILL KNOW PEACE!
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The professor should have simply picked up the chalk and dropped to see if god could stop it from breaking THIS time. The first could have simply been pure luck (or clumsiness).
@finalfantasy8911 but the fact is that the one time the boy stood up the chalk did not break. sure the boy could have not stood up and the chalk coulda broke. but the point is that the one time he stood up to show his God is real, the chalk did not break whether it was clumsiness or not. the chalk didnt break
Yeeeeees, but it could have been a coincedence, because coincedences DO exist. There wouldn't be any harm in doing it again a few times, just to be that much more sure.
@finalfantasy8911 maybe..maybe not. i just think it's a God thing how the chalk didn't break when the professor was trying to prove God wasn't real. sure he coulda re dropped the chalk and it woulda broke, the the one time it did not break he was trying to prove God wasnt real
You say "may be/may be not", then you seem to get my point. How do we know that it wasn't a COMPLETE misunderstanding and that chance saw the chalk came to the floor intact OR that it was actually god him/her/itself that guided it to the floor? We can't unfortunately. We can either believe on blind faith that it was god or not. If in god's place in the story you placed zeus or brahma, would you look at it the same way as you do now?
@finalfantasy8911 i believe everything happens for a reason through God's plan. i dont fully believe in coincedences cause we cant change what will happen. my point is that the chalk did not break when the professor tried to prove it right that second. you could drop the chalk a hundred more times, but it wont have the same impact as it did the first time. but hey theres gunna be people who say its a coincedence and others say its just God.
@raynonumber6 You know this story never happened, right? It was looked into and refuted by USC back in 1999. It's just religious propaganda that's been resurfacing over and over again in different forms for decades. Unfortunately, people want to believe it so bad they never take the time to look into the truth of the story.
@itsonlymepeople Some like to call it blind faith. To me blindness of faith is not faith at all, nor is morality born out of duality, its a dogma of oppositions, perfect for every opportunist psychopath to use when butchering others. Faith No More!
@TheLORDismySheperd1 That you're comparing a racist act that happened a hundred years ago and was laid aside soon after to a story that surfaced about eighty years ago and is STILL being used by Christians in one form or another is hilarious.
@itsonlymepeople Really? I was more calling out your comment that "resurfacing propoganda" is somehow strictly held by only certain people. Historically, it's been done by people of ALL backgrounds.
And I don't recall throwing a black man into a zoo and calling him the 'missing link' a "laid aside" event. People either deny it never happened or like yourself, say things like, "it happened long ago, so it's irrelevant." The holocause happened 70 years ago, should we ignore that also?
@TheLORDismySheperd1 "I was more calling out your comment that 'resurfacing propaganda' is somehow strictly held by only certain people." Where in my original comment did I say ONLY a certain type of people? That's right, I didn't. Are you disputing that this video is religious in nature and that it reuses a theme that's been traced back to the 1930's? If not, then you're bearing false witness against me only to introduce something completely off topic. (CONT)
(CONT) "And I don't recall throwing a black man into a zoo and calling him the 'missing link' a 'laid aside' event." Once again that's not what I said. Nor did I say, "it happened long ago, it's irrelevant" dumbass. What's been "laid aside" is the ability off racist assholes hiding behind their pseudo-scientific hypotheses to use Ota Benga and other people as "evidence" for superior/inferior races when evolution shows that all humans are descended from a common (African) ancestor.
@finalfantasy8911 i believe everything happens for a reason through God's plan. i dont fully believe in coincedences cause we cant change what will happen. my point is that the chalk did not break when the professor tried to prove it right that second. you could drop the chalk a hundred more times, but it wont have the same impact as it did the first time. but hey theres gunna be people who say its a coincedence and others say its just God.
@finalfantasy8911 maybe..maybe not. i just think it's a God thing how the chalk didn't break when the professor was trying to prove God wasn't real. sure he coulda re dropped the chalk and it woulda broke, the the one time it did not break he was trying to prove God wasnt real
I believe in the great spiral that runs forth as such in ever greater arcs, mind made intelligence, intelligence made existence, existence made mind, and so on. The spiral is the manifestation of intelligence, as without it, you could not believe, because you would not think, and therefore would not be. Equation checked. Circular logic works because circular logic works. "I think, therefor I am." I think, and the spiral is, because I think I am. -The Spiral Prince Iashar
I would be the COOL not the FOOL to stand for JESUS even today. Jesus is the way. Taking the chalk but rather Talk and say that God is real no matter how you feel I Stand Up for Jesus today and always.
For the unsaved, HELL AWAITS!!! If we have lied, stolen, hated someone, looked with lust, had sex outside of marriage, used profanity, etc., we are guilty and in danger of spending eternity in hell after this life. However, that is not God's desire for us. Christ came from heaven to take our punishment on Himself and die on a cross. Three days later He rose from the dead and now commands us to turn from sin and trust in Him. See my video titled “Warning:Four Types of People Headed for Hell”
@EvangelizeYourWorld There is no one to save you. You live one life and you are done. You happen to be wasting it right now. Tick Tock. Think about the time you spend blindly following principles that have no evidence. You have created a hell for yourself.
More like keep us from not thinking... one a philosophy prof wouldn't (I should hope) commit the logical fallacy of personal attack, considering the fundamental principle of philosophy is to have an open mind. Two, dropping a piece of chalk does not prove there is a God. Afterall I could easily flip a coin and have a 50/50 chance of getting the result I want. Making up a story gives you a 1/1 chance of getting the result you want.
what a pile of shit....every war since the beginning of time has been instigated by religion....
if god is so great why do rapists, murderers, people who commit genocide etc walk free yet some ones grandma gets raped, or a kid kills himself because he was bullied. mass graves in africa etc etc..i could go on. The human mind is easy to sway sometimes...even when we have solid facts...there is no god because if he did exsist he would put an end to the suffering and change things...enough said!
@Jesiolowski15 so you also have an imaginary friend?!!!!...i suppose you believe in santa claus and the easter bunny too....you should read the god delusion by richard dawkins...there is no scientific proof or any proof for that matter that god exists or there is an afterlife. When you have hard proof then ill be the first to put my hand up and admit i was wrong..until then you need a reality check
@gracielover6379 There is also now proof that he is not real. I don't understand people like you, you look this stuff up just to crap on it and what do you have to loose by believing in god, the only thing that can happen is that you gain something. BTW I am only 14
@Jesiolowski15 i meant no disrespect at all. What i am saying is there is no proof that god exists none what so ever. If you were born in india you would have been a hindu, or ancient greece you would have believed in zeus and apollo etc...just because you were born into a certain religion you believe it. When anyone has solid proof ill believe, until that day....well, you know the rest. How can you believe in something there is no proof for???
@gracielover6379 But there is no proof that he is fake though and christianity is the largest religion and I don't just believe in it because I was aised that way, I actually study this stuff and choose to believe it. And again, what do you have to loose by believing in God, you can only gain something but if you don't believe in him, you loose something huge.
There is also no proof that unicorns, fairies and Zeus don't exist, do you believe in them as well? So Christianity is the largest religion, so what? This is an argument ad populum, which is a logical fallacy. A thousand years ago the vast majority of humanity thought the world was flat, were they right simply because they represented the majority opinion or was the world still round in spite of it?
As for your appeal to Pascal's Wager, you lose any time or money you devote to your religion, you lose an intellectually honest perspective, you lose the only life you are guaranteed in deference to a false belief. Meanwhile, society becomes less harmonious, science loses footing in schools, gays lose civil rights, and people lose their lives all thanks to religion. Irrational belief is a cancer to the human race.
i'd just like to say...
pics or it didn't happen.
jamzedodger 1 week ago
Guess Im A Fool...
XoJerricaoX 2 weeks ago
One virtue of crude vulgarity is that it isn't a bunch of made up baloney designed to control the credulous. It seems to me that it logically follows that people aren't interested in spreading lies and misrepresentations and are more comfortable spreading profanity. If your "faith" can't compete with fart jokes you might want to reconsider the absurd unsupported claims it makes and honestly evaluate why it is that people are more interested in 3rd grade toilet humor. I'm laughing... at you.
Stygious 2 weeks ago
A classic apologetic story, that involves a ridiculously cocky atheist professor and a humble christian student, ending with the former being humiliated in front of an audience.
To state the obvious, it's very unlikely, that a teacher would so blatantly insult his pupils, risking his job and reputation.
Secondly, no one with even a basic expertise in epistemology would try to prove that an unfalsifiable concept(god) is false.Why would a professor of philosophy try that?Hah, get fucking real.
Chulacker 2 weeks ago
OMG the professor is Jesus and the students are angels alright, if you believe, believe you F*** idiots
Eox5 2 weeks ago
it's not about throwing a youtube video in someones face to prove God exists (and I believe He does) it's about convincing someone through natural evidences in biology, astronomy and other sciences that secular and religous scholars alike can agree on. If you can prove that the universe didn't suddenly appear from an explosion of nothingness, then does that improve or lessen the case for creation?
1 Timothy 4:12
scmyers146 2 weeks ago
Hey,i'm Lutheran,and I don't press my beliefs on anyone,If they don't press theirs.This is pressing.
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Gotta hate those mandatory Atheist classes in University.
Lessardification 2 weeks ago
A "Made Up" Facebook Chain Viral. Im so very sick of these. Who was the professor? who was the student? This is how you commit to save God, with Lies? THATS why no one believes.... Because of so many lies and so many exposed liar Christians who refuse to apologize for their actions and instead add more lies to cover their wrong doings. There are far too many TRUE stories of heroes and sacrifice to waste ANYONE's time with this dribble. Find one.
1stTactless 4 weeks ago 5
Really? A discussion about a "story" that never happened. Who's the professor?
19kimo61 1 month ago
This is what we call an urban legend you guys. Like the legend of the hook handed man, it's not necessarily true but that isn't the point. the point is the moral or message it's trying to convey. Kind of like Jesus did with parables. So, everyone stop blowing a gasket, okay?
Gethsemaneful 1 month ago
@TheisticThinker: The wink-face doesn't phase me, but I appreciate the attempt. I am also not misinterpreting anything.
You consider the sixty-six books in the Bible different genres? Like modern genres in literature? Exactly which genres do they fit into?
TKOblue 1 month ago
@TKOblue "You consider the sixty-six books in the Bible different genres? Like modern genres in literature? Exactly which genres do they fit into?" That it is different genres isn't something new, read more about it. Examples of genres would be poetry, historical accounts, symbolism is often used (Book of Revelation, Genesis etc) etc.
TheisticThinker 1 month ago
@TheisticThinker: Okay, I getcha. Thank you.
This brings us back to my first question, which was repeated in my last reply.
TKOblue 1 month ago
If you think about it the man who came up with the "Big Bang Theory" committed his life to a full dedicated christian a few years later and now this man stands in Christianity and claims his "point" was a total lie.
cassiedenise14 1 month ago
@cassiedenise14: I smell bullshit. What's your source on this claim that Georges Lemaitre recanted? The Big Bang is more than just an assumption, I'm afraid. And even if the man who first suggested it recanted it, it wouldn't make a difference; other researchers have furthered our knowledge of universal expansion ten-fold.
TKOblue 1 month ago
How about this if you believe in GOD worry only about GOD your family and yourself if you dont well go to h ll!!!!! If you dont believe in GOD then that means you did not care he brought you in this world to bring peace not stupidity
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DRAMA!
mallotviksz 1 month ago
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jammyfuhtrue357 1 month ago
Ummm nobodys forcing their religion on anybody. What happened to religious tolerance? How come when it comes to Christianity there is no religious tolerance for their beliefs. If Christians believe that Jesus is the only way and theres a heaven and a hell and belief in Jesus as Lord and Saviour is the only way then how can you tell them theyre wrong if you havent died and found out.....i think you should research more into Christianity and the claims they make before you start making comments
jammyfuhtrue357 1 month ago
@jammyfuhtrue357: There is a difference between religious tolerance and having one's beliefs shoved down your throat.
Plus, your logic is astounding. With it, I could say that the afterlife consists of a dimension our energy goes to that is entirely made out of cotton candy and you couldn't say a thing, as you "haven't died and found out". You cannot simply assume something exists within the unknown and then tell others who don't care all about it. Keep it to yourself.
TKOblue 1 month ago
if youre christian and your friends are christian, then yes, pass it on, but if your friendss aren't, dont force your religion on them. it would be the same as them coming up to you with one single example of god not existing, and saying "therefore, god does not exist and you should not believe in him". its absolutely rediculous. stop forcing your religion on people. christians are the only ones who do it. why? because you believe you way is the onnly way thats right. but youre wrong.
kingbolbo1 1 month ago 10
@kingbolbo1 christians are the only ones who do it? are you serious, do u watch the news? muslims impose their religion a million times more than any christian i ever heard about!!
rawkrXbabee 1 month ago
@kingbolbo1 /watch?v=_voTiCTqv4Q - maybe it's because we have to look at the evidence - /watch?v=pTzLPvjIv5o
KringleOfBorg 3 weeks ago
@kingbolbo1 uhm no lol the only ones who do it are moslims!
MauriceVrolijk 1 week ago
Think of a watch well a watch needs a watchmaker so the universe needs a universe maker.
DMBoodsuckers 1 month ago
@DMBoodsuckers: The universe is not a watch, however. This is a rather stupid analogy.
TKOblue 1 month ago
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check out my video if you like this...inspired by this video.
scmyers146 2 months ago
I watched/listened to this the first day it was put onto youtube... I completely forgot about it and now I have posted this all over facebook :)
sharksrule26 2 months ago
thanks for this video & maybe one day thos who dont believe will stop pretending god dosent exist and they will wake up like that professor and thos students
Mr35Chriss 2 months ago
Did you seriously change this story? This was about a muslim doing this?
Islam is the right religion, only in Islam we have faith and proof. Any other religion has only faith. Feel free to debate with me on the personal messages.
massiveamet 2 months ago
One day, EVERY KNEE will bow and EVERY MOUTH will confess that Jesus is Lord. I hope to see most of you in paradise, and I hope all of you who don't believe will soon believe. God bless
LiikeaBeast 2 months ago
this video makes it seem like christianity is the only legitimate religion... im not really religious or anything, but i think it is kinda wrong to make it out to be the only correct religion...
21neals 2 months ago
It is amazing that this stupid video still gets so many views. It has been demonstrated to have never happened, and even if it had, wouldn't prove anything.
The chalk not breaking doesn't prove god's existence any more than it breaking (95% of the time) proves there is no god.
thricerocks 2 months ago
@thricerocks The reason why the chalk was broken that 95% is because no on stood up.. No one had the courage to stand up for their faith. Until this guy did. And there are many similar stories all over the place. Its all about standing up for your beliefs.
soccorlvr97 2 months ago
@soccorlvr97 The thing is, even if the standing is what "caused" it, it does not prove anything. It is still a made up story, as are all these silly chain letters. The message is a stupid one. Faith is not a virtue, it is a disease.
thricerocks 2 months ago
@thricerocks How in the world is standing up for your beliefs a disease? and having faith a disease? You can't go through life without something to hold on to.
soccorlvr97 2 months ago
@soccorlvr97 I didn't say that standing up for your beliefs is a disease, I did however say that faith is. If you are standing up for a belief that you have no real reasons for believing other than "faith" then you are being stupid. You can hold onto things that are physical and observable, such as loved ones. You are stronger than you give yourself credit for, you don't need faith in a god to get through.
thricerocks 2 months ago
@thricerocks But those loved ones you hold on to aren't going to be there forever. One day they will be gone. Then what? But Jesus is always there for us
soccorlvr97 2 months ago
@soccorlvr97 Is he though? What reasons do you have to believe he is anything more than a character in a story? If he is just a figment of your imagination, how is it that he is helping?
For most people, as loved ones die, more come into one's life. The thing to hold onto doesn't need to be people though, it could simply be something you love to do, a hobby. Again, you are stronger than you give yourself credit for.
thricerocks 2 months ago
@thricerocks I feel him. I talk to him and he answers back. I see him everyday through his creation. Gah it's really hard to explain. He makes this crazy life better by giving people love. Not just love. By REAL UNCONDITIONAL love that humans cant ever possibly give. Jesus choose us and sent his son to die on a cross for us. So that we may have everlasting life. How do you think the world and people were made?
soccorlvr97 2 months ago
@soccorlvr97 I understand that you think he is real, believe me I do. When you say he answers back, do you get a feeling or hear an audible voice? If it is the second option, you may want to get looked at for schizophrenia. Honestly, couldn't the love you attribute to him simply be the feeling that you are expecting, and not really be caused by anything external? (Hint, psychology claims it can.)
I do not know how everything came to be, but it was nearly certainly naturalistic.
thricerocks 2 months ago
Thumbs up for Jesus!
94081lego 2 months ago 10
HEY PPL OF THIS EARTH!!
If you ppl don't believe in God, answer these questions.
1. If God didn't exist, who made Earth? Who gave you life? Who is always watching you day and night and forgiving your sins? A human being can't just do that. Understand that God is always there.
2. If God didn't exist, why do you have original sin? God made Adam and Eve, which started original sin.
Believe and don't forget, that without him, we wouldn't be able to accept the wonderful gift of life we have now.
MelOfficial1 2 months ago
@MelOfficial1 True dat.
94081lego 2 months ago
I think that I'm just too young to judge this video.
But,
All I have to say is:
...240p, we meet again.
stijnator 2 months ago
well god is real and if you do not belive then thats you look around he is every where and stops bad things sometimes but satin causes most bad things
starburst12390 2 months ago
@TKOblue Looking for valid reason? Read the Bible. Don't believe it? Look around you. Do you think you're in an environment that just popped out of nowhere? That something only happens by chance? Here: try praying for something. Pray hard, and not a half-hearted one. Try asking for forgiveness and ask for peace and guidance. I promise you, he WILL open your eyes. God bless.
3sha6javier 2 months ago
@3sha6javier: The Bible is a book of contradictions and violence. I suggest YOU read it.
I "look around" and I do not see the work of a divine creator. I see existence, and with that existence is an enigma that you pretend to know the answer to.
I have prayed. I was a Christian up until a couple years ago, mind you. I was just as devout as you are currently, if not moreso. So, if praying is the big eye-opener, why have I decided to become an atheist? Because I believe it's nonsense.
TKOblue 2 months ago
@TKOblue Why? What happened that made you become one? If you did believe in God, then why is your faith shattered?
3sha6javier 2 months ago
@3sha6javier: I was born a Christian. My dad told me all other religions were ridiculous, that Christianity was the right one, and I believed him because I was just a child. I was a very outspoken Christian, which in turn made me an all-around little douchebag. I was also dangerous; I recall one incident in which I scratched my arm until I drew a bit of blood when I was upset one day, hoping that would appease "God" and make my life better. Obviously, the religion made me very (continuing)
TKOblue 2 months ago
@3sha6javier: unstable. I actually once remember another incident in which I was utterly convinced I had heard a whisper and then intense pain came over my head while I was walking my dog. I instantly believed it was a demon doing me harm. Upon further investigation, I found that the "whisper" was an acorn falling off a tree and smacking leaves as it went down, and the pain was it hitting me on the head.
Then, that moment of gullibility washed away and I simply labeled myself (cont)
TKOblue 2 months ago
@3sha6javier: (cont'd) a Christian without really doing much to live up to it. Eventually, when I was fourteen, I discovered a friend of mine on this exact video, debating. Upon reading the debates, I applied common sense and realized that the Christians hadn't a downright clue what they were talking about. I soon realized that Christianity is full of bloodlust and contradictions, and I am saddened by my past involvement in it. There you have it. No tragic story. Just the maturing of a mind.
TKOblue 2 months ago
@3sha6javier: And, since my atheism, I have become ten times the person I ever could have had I kept on with my faith in a religion responsible for the Dark Ages. I am very tolerant of others. I understand and cope with the senseless universe we live in, giving MYSELF meaning by what I want and not what a Church wants. The religion has done too much harm, and the good doesn't outweight it. Many of the religion's representatives are absolute morons, also.
Again, there you have it.
TKOblue 2 months ago
@TKOblue Hmm.. I'm not saying I'm right, but I think those people who taught you religion might take some blame. I don't know what they tell you (or maybe it's just you), but I'm just telling you to take another chance. Because I've seen a lot of miracles everyday with just a prayer and faith. I mean, what harm can it do? You'll just give it another try. If it doesn't work, then I'm sorry for the trouble. But mind you, when it comes to the trial, I did my best. God bless.
3sha6javier 2 months ago
@3sha6javier
"Because I've seen a lot of miracles everyday with just a prayer and faith."
I'd be willing to bet that these "miracles" you claim turn out to be nothing more than useless anecdotes and incidents for which cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias are applied for subjective validation. Intellectually dishonesty and suspension of reason in order to submerge oneself in delusion behavior is harmful, Christianity is bunk and this has been demonstrated time and again.
Juicebox714 2 months ago
@Juicebox714 No, actually. There was actually this poor man we know that wants to open a coffee shop. He was a Christian, while his pagan families were rich. Anyway, his sister promised to give him money for his shop. Months passed, until his sister died. He was really angry, up to the point that he was cursing God. After a week, his mother told him that in his sister's will, she left him 10 TIMES of what she was supposed to offer. So, is THAT biased? I'll tell you more if that doesn't suffice.
3sha6javier 2 months ago
@3sha6javier
THAT is an anecdote (reread my initial response). Where in that story is the testable, measurable objective evidence that validates the god claim? You've described a coincidence, and applied confirmation bias to it in order to promote it as a "miracle". More anecdotal examples such as this wouldn't suffice any more than this did.
Juicebox714 2 months ago
@Juicebox714 Coincidence? So that means a LOT of coincidences are happening now. The fact that you're alive, that I am, too. And that we're arguing about this. Coincidence, was it, when the Bible was made? That you aren't a believer? Tell me, if that's just coincidence, then how the heck was this world created?
3sha6javier 2 months ago
@3sha6javier
By your standards them it would also be a coincidence that your god just happened to exist in order to create all this. You're essentially alluding to the probability argument, that the chances of these things happening are too remote for their not to have been a god at work behind the scenes. You're forgetting, of course, that any other scenario is just as equally improbable, It's also equally improbable that it was your god and not one of an infinite number of possibilities
Juicebox714 2 months ago
@3sha6javier
Regardless, the formation of the Earth and eventually the life that inhabits it is well understood and doesn't require a divine creator to explain. There is plenty of evidence to support cosmological and biological evolution, and none for your god. So speaking of coincidences, isn't it a coincidence that your omnipotent, omnipresent god leaves no trace of his existence behind even after purportedly creating the entire universe?
Juicebox714 2 months ago
@Juicebox714 Really? How was it demonstrated? And how does it contradict one another? Please, enlighten a fellow. (Not being sarcastic, in case you're offended or not.)
3sha6javier 2 months ago
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@3sha6javier
"How was it demonstrated?"
It contains a self-contradictory god figure, it's foundational scriptures are scientifically bereft, historically inaccurate and morally compromised, every testable claim Christianity makes has been debunked scientifically (power of prayer, faith healing), the subjective accounts (feelings, visions) are experienced by adherents to all religions.
Juicebox714 2 months ago
@Juicebox714 Really? That, I didn't know. Can you give an example in which "every testable claim Christianity makes has been debunked scientifically"? How can you explain how this world came to be? That it just popped here and us people and our surroundings suddenly appeared? Or do you have another opinion on this one?
3sha6javier 2 months ago
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@3sha6javier
" Can you give an example in which "every testable claim Christianity makes has been debunked scientifically"? "
I did. The power of prayer (numerous studies, including Benson in 2006, demonstrated that prayer has no tangible, measurable effect on reality), faith healers (There has never been any case which could be demonstrated scientifically to have been divine healing, cases of low probability remissions are within accepted margins of error).
Juicebox714 2 months ago
@3sha6javier
"How can you explain how this world came to be?"
Pick up a science book and read it some time. Read about the big bang, read about abiogenesis, read about evolution, read about the wealth of evidence supporting these theories. These tired tactics of "how did everything get here" are nothing more than a logical fallacy, if you were truly interested in answers to these questions you'd research it legitimately instead of burying your head in bronze aged scriptures.
Juicebox714 2 months ago
@Juicebox714 The father of the Big Bang was George Lemaitre who was not only an Astronomer, but also a priest. The Big Bang implies the theological judeo-Christian concept of Creation ex-nihilo and that the Universe hasn't always existed. Abiogenesis is interesting but not relevant to the question of why anything exist rather than nothing. Evolution is true and quite consistent witht he church father Agustine and his views of an evolving Creation. Do some research yourself.
TheisticThinker 2 months ago
@TheisticThinker
The big bang implies no such thing. It describes a rapid expansion of spacetime from superdense matter. The Judeo-Christian concept is the creation of the universe from nothingness by god, the big bang describes the expansion of the universe from pre-existing matter. It makes no comment on what came before and it does not imply an intelligent creator as the initiating mechanism.
Juicebox714 2 months ago
@Juicebox714 I don't think you understand the Big Bang much here. The Big Bang was the expansion of Spacetime from a point in the sense that the scale factor was reduced to zero, when the scalefactor is reduced to zero, so does all the distances. All the matter and energy was cramed into a volume om zero, this was the initial singularity, there was no space,time, matter and energy "before" that.
TheisticThinker 2 months ago
@Juicebox714 Like Barrow and Tipler in explains, "At this singularity, space and time came into existence; literally nothing existed before this singularity, so, if the Universe originated at such a singularity, we would truly have a creation ex nihilo." There was nothing physical 'prior' to the singularity in the standard Big Bang model.
TheisticThinker 2 months ago
@TheisticThinker
Unfortunately, the singularity idea (you'll notice I did not use this term) has been generally dismissed. The source of that quote is from a book that is now 25 years old. Barrow himself retracts this idea in his book "The Book of Nothing" which he wrote in 2000.
Juicebox714 2 months ago
@Juicebox714 No, not really, Singularity theorems have been succesfully proposed later aswell, in 2003 a major one was made that showed that Universes with an Hubble average value greater than zero must possess an Initial Singularity. It is much more general than Hawking and Penrose singularity theorems which had more assumptions and relied on Einsteins theory of Relativity. The 2003 theorem doesn't.
TheisticThinker 2 months ago
@Juicebox714 The standard model possesses an Initial Singularity, what theorists want to know is whether the singularity will still be there when Quantum Mechanical effects are taken into account. Because Penrose and Hawkings theorem relied on General Relativity, which breaks down at the Planck length, it was believed that they could be avoided by Quantum Gravity models. But that doesn't seem completely sure as of now due to theorems not relying on Relativity.
TheisticThinker 2 months ago
@Juicebox714 You seem to fail to grasp that Singularities are not required for a theory predicting creation ex nihilo. Barrow and Tipler note that themselves in their book saying that classical Quantum Gravity models also originate ex nihilo, just not out of a point of infinite quantities. Barrow himself says that Quantum Cosmologies are quite alike, just differing on whether there were a singularity. Which seems harder since 2003.
TheisticThinker 2 months ago
@TheisticThinker "That it just popped here and us people and our surroundings suddenly appeared?"
This would be the comment that abiogenesis was directed at. So yes, it was relevant to the discussion at hand, and is one of the mechanisms that ultimately led to the reality that we now experience. Evolution absolutely is true and while it may be consistent with Augustine it is not consistent with the bible, and it is not consistent with the creationist view.
Juicebox714 2 months ago
@Juicebox714 "Evolution absolutely is true and while it may be consistent with Augustine it is not consistent with the bible, and it is not consistent with the creationist view." That I take very seriously, why is it not "consistent" with the Bible? It is not consistent with Creationism, that's a difference, you gotta tell me why.
TheisticThinker 2 months ago
@TheisticThinker
The bible infers the age of the Earth through genealogy to be in the realm of 6-10,000 years old. It also infers a catastrophic flooding event that occurred approximately 4400 years ago. For diversity to occur such as it has this would be impossible within the given time frame. The bible also distinctly states that god created man in his image. Are you inferring that god is a protein?
Juicebox714 2 months ago
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@Juicebox714 "The bible infers the age of the Earth through genealogy to be in the realm of 6-10,000 years old." Hahaha, no, where does it says that?
"The bible also distinctly states that god created man in his image. Are you inferring that god is a protein?" Wtf? Do you seriously believe it was meant to be taken as we "look" like God and are like him as if God were physical?
TheisticThinker 2 months ago
@Juicebox714 What you are forgetting is that later in the Bible in many places, what they are reffering to as 'In Gods image' is our ability to reason, know right from wrong etc. You are taking a literal Creationist view regarding it, trying to refute those who don't even consider Creationism seriously.
TheisticThinker 2 months ago
@TheisticThinker: When are you supposed to take the Bible literally, and when aren't you? Perhaps you and other Christians shouldn't be taking the concept of an eternal paradise awaiting for you in the afterlife as "literal". Who are you to decide which parts of the book are metaphors, and which aren't?
TKOblue 1 month ago
@TKOblue ....
Your whole comment pressuposes that the Bible is one book, when in fact it is 66 seperate ones written in different genres. Some historical, some poetic. Genesis has been recognized by many churchfathers (and schollars) to be poetic, allegorical and metaphorical, which should be quite clear. Creationism is a recent development and is not part of traditional Christianity. Context is key, don't take the text out of it and distort it.
TheisticThinker 1 month ago
@TheisticThinker: How does my comment pressupose that it is one book in the three sentences that makes it up? Which scholars are you referring to?
TKOblue 1 month ago
@TKOblue It's quite clear due to the simple fact that you look at it as a unit of one document, instead of 66 different, which should be treated in their own way, even though the documents as a whole paints a grand picture. Realizing that the Bible isn't one genre but made up of many depending on the document is something you should realize. Read up on Saint Augustine, N.T. Wright, Peter Enns, etc.
TheisticThinker 1 month ago
@TheisticThinker: It's not clear, you just felt like reiterating a point that has nothing to do with what I asked you. I'll take a look at your suggested authors, however.
TKOblue 1 month ago
@TKOblue Uhm, to me it sounds that you need to make it clear what your point is. You asked how we should interpret different narratives and what is meant; My point was that you look on the Bible as one text, instead of 66 documents in different genres. There is a difference between a historical account and an author trying to visualize somehting using metaphors.
TheisticThinker 1 month ago
@TheisticThinker: My question was how to distinguish what is metaphor and what is not. You replied saying that the Bible is not one book, but sixty-six books, which literally has absolutely nothing to do with my question -- actually, no: you told ME that *I* look at it as one book instead of sixty-six despite the fact I had not implied anything of the sort in my question.
TKOblue 1 month ago
@TKOblue Well yes it has, the way something is painted in different genres are very clear. The Psalms are usually though of as poetic and is therefore written in a, well, poetic way. This should make you think when reading these texts. If I were to intepret a poetic text as a historical account instead of poetry then I would quite easily see contradictions and the text itself would probably not make sense. This I see quite much with Creationists.
TheisticThinker 1 month ago
@TheisticThinker: I understand that. Which is why I asked my first question: how do YOU, personally, determine what is to be taken literally? It's obviously not told in the Bible which is which. How do YOU decide? Do you simply read the works of others and decide to agree with them (probably without looking at opposing thoughts or research)?
TKOblue 1 month ago
@TKOblue How I "determine" what is to be taken literallt and what not? What "determines" that is the genre, context and how it fits into the rest of the text.
TheisticThinker 1 month ago
@TheisticThinker: Well, taking the texts literally would be the same as what the genre is, apparently, as you said the genres were poetry, historical accounts, or symbolism.
Can you give an example of each of these?
TKOblue 1 month ago
@TKOblue I mean literal, as in 'literal'. For example, if it stood written "And I watched as the people drowned in their own sadness after what had happened" (Not a very good example, but you get it) If I were to take that compeltely literal, then I would believe that people drowned in their own sadness, as in real 'drowning'. But I see the context and realize that it probably not inteded to be read that way, as it doesn't even make sense and is not coherent.
TheisticThinker 1 month ago
@TKOblue "Can you give an example of each of these?" What kind of examples? From the Bible, just made up examples or what?
TheisticThinker 1 month ago
@TheisticThinker: From the Bible, yes.
TKOblue 1 month ago
@TKOblue The Gospels are recognized as historical documents written about what the authors believed to be historical events. Which is why there is a study of the historical Jesus, New Testament history etc. Another example of a different genre would be Proverbs, which can be classed as 'Wisdom literature', then we can take the Psalms which in an overview can be classed as poetic with its heavily use of poetic language and questions.
TheisticThinker 1 month ago
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@TKOblue "Do you simply read the works of others and decide to agree with them (probably without looking at opposing thoughts or research)?"
Expand on that please.
TheisticThinker 1 month ago
@TKOblue As much as you can see the difference in genres between a horror book and a popular science book, you notice the difference in the way the different books in the Bible describe and visualize.
TheisticThinker 1 month ago
@TheisticThinker: You're comparing the books of the Bible to fiction novels? Perhaps not the best way to express your point.
TKOblue 1 month ago
@TKOblue Uhm? Try to read my post again and not impose what you want to hear... The point, which you seem to have a hard time understanding, is that there is a difference between genres. And I gave an example of that. I don't know what you want to imply with this post. Read my posts 2 times next time to be sure to not misinterpret them. ;)
TheisticThinker 1 month ago
@TheisticThinker
Nothing you have posited is a particularly stunning revelation. Who cares that theists in the past have backed or founded hypotheses that have gone on to become scientific theories with theistic implications? The crux of 3sha6javier's argument was that god must exist because we can't explain how we got here. We absolutely can explain how we got here without the need for god. That's the point, perhaps you missed it.
Juicebox714 2 months ago
@Juicebox714 Weel then I may have misunderstood you on some parts. Yeah, we know quite much about how we came to this point, but we still don't know the answer to Leibniz question 'Why does anything exist, rather than nothing?'. Also, I don't view God as something we just plug into gaps we don't understand, but the concept of God as an unphysical being who brought the Universe into being is something I find quite much support for. Also questions why the Universe seems to have life in mind.
TheisticThinker 2 months ago
@TKOblue Ah. I see. I think it's the way that you visualized the concept of being a Christian. I know you were just a child back then and it was expected for you to get some preconceived notions about it. But to use that as a base of seeing whether Christianity is true or not? I don't think that's very good. I've also seen a lot of videos like this, and my faith did waver a bit, but I still know that in my heart, Christ lives. Have you accepted him as Lord when you were still a Christian?
3sha6javier 2 months ago
choice number one hear i come!
XXgirl393 2 months ago
@XXgirl393 WHAT THE CRAP!!?? HOW COULD YOU SAY THAT!!??
94081lego 2 months ago
@94081lego well to be perfectly honest i didn't say that, i typed it. and referring to ❝ how i could say that❞ it's quite simple really. all i had to do was:
-be able to spell in English ✔
-be entitled to share my own opinions ✔
-and lastly know how to post a comment on youtube ✔
XXgirl393 2 months ago
@XXgirl393 As much as i hate that comment, that is right
94081lego 2 months ago
@94081lego I win!!! ٩(̾●̮̮̃̾•̃̾)۶ ☮
XXgirl393 2 months ago
@XXgirl393 >:-E
94081lego 2 months ago
I can make up stories on the internet and put it to music also.
jessedictor 2 months ago
@jessedictor Tis is a true story.
94081lego 2 months ago
@94081lego Why don't they link to the story? Where is the proof that this actually happened? Anything?
jessedictor 2 months ago
@jessedictor I was in that class. Well, not really, but that is such a vivid story that he couldn't have made it up unless he was a champion storyteller or something...
94081lego 2 months ago
@94081lego I googled the title in snopes.com, and found that its an inspirational story. It was originally found in a clergyman's memoirs. The way he worded it, he also didn't see it happen, and he may of meant it to be inspirational and not factual.
If USC had a teacher doing that in the last thirty years, that's news to them. No one's ever heard of someone devoting a period depromoting god, and no Professor's Name has ever been given for the story.
jessedictor 2 months ago
@jessedictor Oh...
P.S. thanks for crushing my inspiration.
94081lego 2 months ago
@94081lego inspirations don't have to be real. Its better if they're not in a lot of ways. they can bend to meet our needs. I just didn't believe it was real. But lots of fake things make me feel better. Like female orgasms.
jessedictor 2 months ago
@jessedictor O__o
94081lego 2 months ago
One day I was about to get jumped by some mexicans when I lived in NY. There were about 3 of them, and they had me surrounded, and my back was literally to a wall. A young can came walking down the street wearing a bright red shirt, and he said to the mexicans "Don't touch him, Leave him alone right now" The look on their faces was a look of terror. The young man look at me a said "are you OK" Isaid yes. There mexicans left, I turned around to thank the young man, a second later but he was Gone.
RespectMyHate 2 months ago
The story was good.
The last 2 minutes of it was not needed and came off as a bit obnoxious, sorry, that is just how I feel about it.
AeSaar 2 months ago
lol
billyp335 2 months ago
Isn't the entire point of faith that you are supposed to believe without needing any proof? Why does god mess with the chalk fall then?
EvilRyuGuy 3 months ago
@EvilRyuGuy The point wasn't about the faith of the student (ie, the chalk not shattering) but rather the faith of the professor.
In other words, the faith of the professor relied on ill, infectual and finite standards. By the chalk not breaking (let's say a chances, 1 out of 100) there's always that 1 chance or remaining possiblity that he'd be wrong. Even Dawkins has said that on a scale of 1 to 7, that GOD doesn't exist (7 being, absolutely not), he claims 6.9. watch?v=wF-yUYRo5AY
TheLORDismySheperd1 3 months ago
Too many good people die harshly in this world for a protective loving god to hold real weight anymore as something to believe in. People are entrained to respect and obey authority figures, as presented in the bible. Those authorities could care less about the bulk of humanity.
mastertheillusion 3 months ago
In a classroom where everyone seems to be standing up and listening to the guy, I'd feel damn proud being the only one sitting down.
AtupoMaruru 3 months ago
atheist all the way here, you do realise, some time or another, the chalk was bound not to break -.- and like the crappy move title "A series of unfortunate events" staring jim carry, thats exactly what happened, A series of unfortunate events. i dont care if you do believe in god. i accept that there can be, even may be, a god. but i dont put my faith in some one that has never helped me one bit.
BBthePally 3 months ago
@BBthePally if you seem God dont help you in a way you like Him to, it doesnt mean doesnt exist or doesnt love you. maybe He is just waiting to surrender yourself to Him. and when you do, the rest will be miracle. trust me. i once like you before. just surrender everything to Him, He will do the rest. He will not Help someone who dont want to be helped or doesnt trust Him with all your faith. Come to Him with all your heart and see for yourself. there's no harm in trying. =))
lornacute20 3 months ago
@lornacute20 i would take what you said to heart if you could atleast try to use better grammar.....
BBthePally 3 months ago
@BBthePally @BBthePally the grammar is not important, its the thought. God doesn't look if you're good in English or not. maybe you're an expert in english,maybe you have a PH.D. ng english. it doesnt matter to God. even the mute and deaf have places in heaven.=)
lornacute20 3 months ago
@BBthePally oh he has you probably didn't notice because you chalked the help up to someone else and what they did... :) no pun intended.
ShutYourStinkingTrap 2 months ago
@ShutYourStinkingTrap i doubt it........
BBthePally 2 months ago
Cool story even if its true it doesnt show anything xD And tbh atheist and ppl who just dont believe are more smarter and they show less hungry for power money and so on... Jesus took the last coin(penny) how u call it or how was it called back then from lady who had the last one did he? He said "She gave more then all of you" but still he took it :D WHEN POWER OF LOVE OVERCOMES THE LOVE FOR POWER EARTH WILL KNOW PEACE!
jovanb1 3 months ago
pictures or it didn't happen. lol
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Well, it was bound to fall, and in some way not break if he was doing it for 20 years? Just saying.
123JimmyTheCookie 3 months ago 2
God and His Son JESUS is REAL!!! Its not up to us to PROVE this...Just love them and serve them.....
iamredyforhim 3 months ago
@iamredyforhim It's not up to you to prove them? Why not? Why shouldn't religious ideas be subjected to scrutiny as much as everything else?
Gubbywubby 3 months ago
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HAsmatarian 3 months ago
The professor should have simply picked up the chalk and dropped to see if god could stop it from breaking THIS time. The first could have simply been pure luck (or clumsiness).
finalfantasy8911 3 months ago
@finalfantasy8911 but the fact is that the one time the boy stood up the chalk did not break. sure the boy could have not stood up and the chalk coulda broke. but the point is that the one time he stood up to show his God is real, the chalk did not break whether it was clumsiness or not. the chalk didnt break
raynonumber6 3 months ago
@raynonumber6
Yeeeeees, but it could have been a coincedence, because coincedences DO exist. There wouldn't be any harm in doing it again a few times, just to be that much more sure.
finalfantasy8911 3 months ago
@finalfantasy8911 maybe..maybe not. i just think it's a God thing how the chalk didn't break when the professor was trying to prove God wasn't real. sure he coulda re dropped the chalk and it woulda broke, the the one time it did not break he was trying to prove God wasnt real
raynonumber6 3 months ago
@raynonumber6
You say "may be/may be not", then you seem to get my point. How do we know that it wasn't a COMPLETE misunderstanding and that chance saw the chalk came to the floor intact OR that it was actually god him/her/itself that guided it to the floor? We can't unfortunately. We can either believe on blind faith that it was god or not. If in god's place in the story you placed zeus or brahma, would you look at it the same way as you do now?
finalfantasy8911 3 months ago
@finalfantasy8911 i believe everything happens for a reason through God's plan. i dont fully believe in coincedences cause we cant change what will happen. my point is that the chalk did not break when the professor tried to prove it right that second. you could drop the chalk a hundred more times, but it wont have the same impact as it did the first time. but hey theres gunna be people who say its a coincedence and others say its just God.
raynonumber6 3 months ago
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@raynonumber6
I understand; except for one thing. You said: "i dont fully believe in coincedences cause we cant change what will happen".
Would you expand on that?
finalfantasy8911 3 months ago
@raynonumber6 You know this story never happened, right? It was looked into and refuted by USC back in 1999. It's just religious propaganda that's been resurfacing over and over again in different forms for decades. Unfortunately, people want to believe it so bad they never take the time to look into the truth of the story.
itsonlymepeople 3 months ago
@itsonlymepeople Some like to call it blind faith. To me blindness of faith is not faith at all, nor is morality born out of duality, its a dogma of oppositions, perfect for every opportunist psychopath to use when butchering others. Faith No More!
mastertheillusion 3 months ago
@itsonlymepeople Unlike withheld or "buried" historical information by evolutionists; ie; Ota Benga.
TheLORDismySheperd1 3 months ago
@TheLORDismySheperd1 That you're comparing a racist act that happened a hundred years ago and was laid aside soon after to a story that surfaced about eighty years ago and is STILL being used by Christians in one form or another is hilarious.
itsonlymepeople 3 months ago
@itsonlymepeople Really? I was more calling out your comment that "resurfacing propoganda" is somehow strictly held by only certain people. Historically, it's been done by people of ALL backgrounds.
And I don't recall throwing a black man into a zoo and calling him the 'missing link' a "laid aside" event. People either deny it never happened or like yourself, say things like, "it happened long ago, so it's irrelevant." The holocause happened 70 years ago, should we ignore that also?
TheLORDismySheperd1 2 months ago
@TheLORDismySheperd1 "I was more calling out your comment that 'resurfacing propaganda' is somehow strictly held by only certain people." Where in my original comment did I say ONLY a certain type of people? That's right, I didn't. Are you disputing that this video is religious in nature and that it reuses a theme that's been traced back to the 1930's? If not, then you're bearing false witness against me only to introduce something completely off topic. (CONT)
itsonlymepeople 2 months ago
(CONT) "And I don't recall throwing a black man into a zoo and calling him the 'missing link' a 'laid aside' event." Once again that's not what I said. Nor did I say, "it happened long ago, it's irrelevant" dumbass. What's been "laid aside" is the ability off racist assholes hiding behind their pseudo-scientific hypotheses to use Ota Benga and other people as "evidence" for superior/inferior races when evolution shows that all humans are descended from a common (African) ancestor.
itsonlymepeople 2 months ago
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@finalfantasy8911 i believe everything happens for a reason through God's plan. i dont fully believe in coincedences cause we cant change what will happen. my point is that the chalk did not break when the professor tried to prove it right that second. you could drop the chalk a hundred more times, but it wont have the same impact as it did the first time. but hey theres gunna be people who say its a coincedence and others say its just God.
raynonumber6 3 months ago
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@finalfantasy8911 maybe..maybe not. i just think it's a God thing how the chalk didn't break when the professor was trying to prove God wasn't real. sure he coulda re dropped the chalk and it woulda broke, the the one time it did not break he was trying to prove God wasnt real
raynonumber6 3 months ago
emanoeelle, this is an amazing story. it really got me thinking, and it really took my mind off of everything.
MelOfficial1 3 months ago
this is the most retarded thing ever.
screw a piece of chalk, challenge your "all loving" spacedaddy to cure an amputee,
theres always crazy people getting better IN HOSPITAL claiming some "god" healed them, no amputee has ever said this.,..
DemoraX 3 months ago
CHRISTIANS SHOULD WATCH THIS AND OPEN THERE MINDS 0001
COPY AND PASTE INTO YOUTUBE SEARCH BAR.
This is an old video response i did to this christian fable.
Teacher and Student roles are reversed.
Teacher is Christian.
Student is Atheist.
Enjoy the fun.
Dalmakator 3 months ago
I believe in the great spiral that runs forth as such in ever greater arcs, mind made intelligence, intelligence made existence, existence made mind, and so on. The spiral is the manifestation of intelligence, as without it, you could not believe, because you would not think, and therefore would not be. Equation checked. Circular logic works because circular logic works. "I think, therefor I am." I think, and the spiral is, because I think I am. -The Spiral Prince Iashar
Can you prove me wrong?
IasharKoranin 4 months ago
I would be the COOL not the FOOL to stand for JESUS even today. Jesus is the way. Taking the chalk but rather Talk and say that God is real no matter how you feel I Stand Up for Jesus today and always.
thenwhich 4 months ago
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For the unsaved, HELL AWAITS!!! If we have lied, stolen, hated someone, looked with lust, had sex outside of marriage, used profanity, etc., we are guilty and in danger of spending eternity in hell after this life. However, that is not God's desire for us. Christ came from heaven to take our punishment on Himself and die on a cross. Three days later He rose from the dead and now commands us to turn from sin and trust in Him. See my video titled “Warning:Four Types of People Headed for Hell”
EvangelizeYourWorld 4 months ago
@EvangelizeYourWorld There is no one to save you. You live one life and you are done. You happen to be wasting it right now. Tick Tock. Think about the time you spend blindly following principles that have no evidence. You have created a hell for yourself.
AnswerFortyTwox 3 months ago
More like keep us from not thinking... one a philosophy prof wouldn't (I should hope) commit the logical fallacy of personal attack, considering the fundamental principle of philosophy is to have an open mind. Two, dropping a piece of chalk does not prove there is a God. Afterall I could easily flip a coin and have a 50/50 chance of getting the result I want. Making up a story gives you a 1/1 chance of getting the result you want.
NerdamI1337 4 months ago
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what a pile of shit....every war since the beginning of time has been instigated by religion....
if god is so great why do rapists, murderers, people who commit genocide etc walk free yet some ones grandma gets raped, or a kid kills himself because he was bullied. mass graves in africa etc etc..i could go on. The human mind is easy to sway sometimes...even when we have solid facts...there is no god because if he did exsist he would put an end to the suffering and change things...enough said!
gracielover6379 4 months ago
@gracielover6379 Your an idiot. God test us by if we still trust in him when bad things happen. If everything was perfect, we couldn't be tested.
Jesiolowski15 4 months ago
@Jesiolowski15 so you also have an imaginary friend?!!!!...i suppose you believe in santa claus and the easter bunny too....you should read the god delusion by richard dawkins...there is no scientific proof or any proof for that matter that god exists or there is an afterlife. When you have hard proof then ill be the first to put my hand up and admit i was wrong..until then you need a reality check
gracielover6379 4 months ago
@gracielover6379 There is also now proof that he is not real. I don't understand people like you, you look this stuff up just to crap on it and what do you have to loose by believing in god, the only thing that can happen is that you gain something. BTW I am only 14
Jesiolowski15 4 months ago
@Jesiolowski15 i meant no disrespect at all. What i am saying is there is no proof that god exists none what so ever. If you were born in india you would have been a hindu, or ancient greece you would have believed in zeus and apollo etc...just because you were born into a certain religion you believe it. When anyone has solid proof ill believe, until that day....well, you know the rest. How can you believe in something there is no proof for???
gracielover6379 4 months ago
@gracielover6379 But there is no proof that he is fake though and christianity is the largest religion and I don't just believe in it because I was aised that way, I actually study this stuff and choose to believe it. And again, what do you have to loose by believing in God, you can only gain something but if you don't believe in him, you loose something huge.
Jesiolowski15 4 months ago
@Jesiolowski15
There is also no proof that unicorns, fairies and Zeus don't exist, do you believe in them as well? So Christianity is the largest religion, so what? This is an argument ad populum, which is a logical fallacy. A thousand years ago the vast majority of humanity thought the world was flat, were they right simply because they represented the majority opinion or was the world still round in spite of it?
Juicebox714 4 months ago
@Jesiolowski15
As for your appeal to Pascal's Wager, you lose any time or money you devote to your religion, you lose an intellectually honest perspective, you lose the only life you are guaranteed in deference to a false belief. Meanwhile, society becomes less harmonious, science loses footing in schools, gays lose civil rights, and people lose their lives all thanks to religion. Irrational belief is a cancer to the human race.
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