Well clearly you don't understand either... You just admitted that. That girl prayed every night, every single night. Contantly raped. Think about that for a minute. Instead of thinking "god works in mysterious ways"....why can't you just first accept that he may not actually exist. Open your eyes, think for yourself.
@theblondesillygirl2 Well clearly you don't understand either... You just admitted that. That girl prayed every night, every single night. Contantly raped. Think about that for a minute. Instead of thinking "god works in mysterious ways"....why can't you just first accept that he may not actually exist. Open your eyes, think for yourself.
@cortneyms You don't love Jesus, honey. Get over it already. You love the ideal character that you created in your mind along with the good education and love you received from the people who introduced you to this. So your mind creates a connection between pleasure (comfort) and everything related to this practice or philosophy. That's why thinking of Jesus makes you feel this amazing feeling. And damn it's a strong and good feeling! But it's all in your mind, babe. All mind's work. Sorry.
@Fabio4e20 its a damn good feeling, thats why only the strong-willed can stand to break away from it. most christians dont have a strong will, neither intelligence with reasoning.
Ok, before I do that can I just make a point. A baby knows nothing when it is born. If a baby was able to grow without anyones help, it will not know anything about the bible. There are tribes that have not even heard the bible out in the brazilian forest and have made families, /friends/ villages. They know nothing of the god you believe. Does that help you in answering my question at all?
@Metlamaniac Forgive me for the late response. I never got the notice of your reply. It does. ( My personal beliefe ) concerning a the baby growing up alone, is this; I find it hard to agree with anyone who states that they will burn in hell. Nor do I believe babies will go to hell.
And where on earth did "Man smoking, drinking, using drugs, and killing eachother for profit this is logical" even come from?!?! No it is not moral or completely reasonable, but it is logical. Are you sure you understand what the word 'logic' means?
Neither is it reasonable to believe something just because it makes you feel good, and think that because you say it can't be disproved then that's evidence it's true.
Read back over your comments and try to tell me I was ANYWHERE near as insulting, which was not my intention, to you. And then you try to justify the words you use to describe me!
Now, instead of changing the subject, are you going to deal with this burden of proof misunderstanding you have? Or do you have too much pride? Do you realise that when I say you are wrong, it is not YOU I disrespect, but WHAT YOU SAY? Rational people welcome criticism, I certainly do.
Did you know that most religious people are actually part atheists themselves. They all believe in their own god and deny any other. Thats like near 3,000 gods that they don't believe in. Thats almost 100% atheism. I just go one god further.
@Metlamaniac If we know smoking will give us cancer, drinking will destroy our liver, and using drugs will destroy our brains and worst; It is illogical to seek a long and healty life and still do these things. Drinking and driving increases our chances in having an accedent. These actions only become logical if a man is determined to kill or slowly end his life. Do you agree?
@pastorSGoode I only agree in the sense that most living things are therefore illogical. There are animals (not just including ourselves) that do things that lead to their early deaths. Also, I'm sure there are people who don't really care what happens to themselves, who like to do drugs and smoke. That would then be classed as a logical move wouldn't it? If you like something, you do it. For someone who doesn't give a shit about their life....why not. That's logical.
@Metlamaniac I can find no place to disagree with what you said. I ask you to understand that I am not making a case ( one way or the other ) for people who do these things. I am just pointing out that mankind is far from logical and is in no way able to say God is illogical as a statement of fact. We can only stand in a place of strong opinion.
This is where you are wrong. No-one goes out on a killing spree, or orders people to kill others IN THE NAME OF ATHEISM. There are people who happen to be atheist, who are horrible. E.G Stalin. But he did not do what he did because there is no god. That just doesnt make sense. However there are people who do very bad things in the name of religion. 9/11 being one of them. They believed they were going to a better place. If u are a christian, you actually believe I am going to hell....don't you?
@Metlamaniac I agree. I don't believe every evil thing said or done by one ateist reflects the hearts of all atheist. This same understanding should be given to Christians and Muslims. If this is is true for atheist, logic would dictate this to be true for Christians and Muslims. Many people fail to realize that many things were said and done in the name of God by people who were not of the faith. Constantine is the greatest proof of that....
@Metlamaniac ...A believer will never tell you or anyone else that you are going to hell. None of us knows the future. To say such a thing would place us under the same judgement we used. I am allow to say and show ( if desired ) what the word of God says concerning the matter. It is the person's God given right to live the life they desire. No matter what they choose or do, God never stops loving them. A believer will still love and treat them well.
@Metlamaniac Please don't mis-understand me, I do not be-little your intelect or knowledge. There is a greater understanding of Genesis to Revelations that you must have if I am going to go into a greater/deeper teaching. Joel Olsteen said something ( and was mocked for it ); it is not for me to say who's going to hell. According to the bible, He's right. If man is to be judged, then let him be judged by the word of God.
@pastorSGoode I wasn't saying that you think I deserve to go to hell though, it's just what you believe. I know that when I die I will not have believed in any of the 3000 gods that are claimed to exist. So in most religions I will be going to a place called hell, and I dread to think what other religions 'know' will happen to me. I know that you believe that. Also I obviously know there are bad people who are christian that do very bad things, and also nice people that are christian that do....
@pastorSGoode ..very nice things. But those bad people have done things in the name of religion. Literally they believe their actions on earth will take them to a better place. You won't be able to name a single person (who I have heard of) that has done something very bad because there is no god. This is where they happen to be atheist, but are obviously crazy. But it isn't the same because they arnt doing it in the name of atheism. What they do is obviously still just as bad though, obviously.
@Metlamaniac In the video, a person called in and said; every Christian and God believing person should be locked away from society because of what they believe. He went on to say; the world would be a better place without us. Tell me, who on the panel disagreed. Aren't these the words of a person promoting and ready to kill for atheist sake. If a Christian said; I'm not like that, you say; that's proof that they know something is wrong with their beliefe sysem...
@pastorSGoode I'm really not being funny here but I don't understand how you could of got that from this video? At no point does someone say they should be locked away and certainly at no point does anyone suggest people should be killed? What on earth are you referring to?
@Metlamaniac You're absolutely correct. Please forgive me, I've been watching several video postings from atheist and made a era by lumping them together. I will search for the posting and let you know the name of the video. There are several atheist in my family and a lot that believe in God. ( Not Christian ) We sit and eat together while knowing we believe different things. Still, we find away to respect and honor eachother for what we believe....
@Metlamaniac Even you; though I disagree with what you believe, not once did I ever consider you stupid or crazy. If we were to meet, we may get into heated debate, but we'll walk away still friends. You haven't tried to convert me, nor did I try to convert you. We simply stated what we believe and why. This is healthy debate that demonstrates man evolving to a greater state consciosness. Agreeing to disagree. Truth is; you'll find that believers agree with atheist on most things.....
Ok, now we are getting somewhere I feel. Show me what peer reviewed scientific papers claim that these remains are real, and also show me the papers that claim the decendants of that race still exist? where do you get this information ? The entire genus Australopithecus was small, short and mostly of gracile anatomy, with their height ranging roughly from 3 to 4,5 feet. They also weren't "anatomically human", but were a mix of both primitive (closer to ape) and modern (closer to human) traits.
@Metlamaniac I believe you believe what you believe and aren't just being arguementative. ( This is why don't mind your speggetti monster remark ). I have to tell you that I have now understanding of the Australopithecus race and how that relates to Nephilims. It sounds like you sre talking about pigmies.
Your last sentance mean that you are ignorant to, or don't understand peer reviewed science papers. There is not one peer reviewed science paper that demonstrates any supernatural claim. Does that not make you think it's a bit odd?
I do not remember, and I also can't find a comment by you that referred to hebrews chapter 11? I could be missing it? Why do u think that our common ancestor would die off when a new species starts to develop? Why when humans breed dogs to different dogs (happens all the time) the original dog and it's future pups don't die? Please think about that, and also that evolution isn't a ladder of progression. It is a huge tree full of branches. That may get you closer to understanding it.....maybe?
@Metlamaniac You believe have faith in a theory that every scientist that ever was will laugh you out the room. Can a man and a women have puppies, or two dogs have humans ? You choose to believe in your own personal crazy. Your own faith disputes your words of so called facts. You can't really debate against spiritual reasons, because you are unwilling to atleast learn why true people of faith believe. Sitting and talking with other atheist concerning biblical things will not help you.
Ok, your last two commens are just so plain wrong it's immense. Evidence is not faith. It's the exact opposite to faith. The beginnings of evolution? I assume you're talking about how life began?, that isn't anything to do with evoultion so I won't go in to that. You r being ignorant when u talk about the existance of modern monkeys and fish as evidence to disproove evolution. You tell me, did your uncle or aunt suddenly die when you were born? If god made us from dirt, why is there still dirt?
Summary: debate, discussion, awareness of alternatives to religion is key. Peacefully and calmly explaining the idea of atheism is important. Leave it up to them to ponder it and ultimately decide on a personal level, but NEVER let them impose it on others through the state, laws, etc.
@WeGameAlotSir I have the reference-- or rather, the references, because there are many, and they all come from Jesus himself. He says that we should not judge others, because we shall be judged with the measure we use to judge others with. Who then wants to be the one to condemn a gay man? Not me; I'm not going to pretend that I'm perfect. Instead, I'd like to treat others the way I'd like to be treated-- namely, not to be condemned for my shortcomings and mistakes. Does that suffice? I can pr
If atheist were honest and truely respectful of the right to choose, they wouldn't mock or debase others who believe different. How can they call this video a heathy forum for debate and at the same time call like forums of different beliefe an attempt to conform others. In one of their videos; they say Christians have the burden of proof. A Christian is only called to share the gospil; not proove it. God will proove Himself. ( If you reall want Him to )
@pastorSGoode No that will not wash with someone who is being HONEST with themselves and others. A Christian doesn't have to prove a claim about God because the burden of proof is on God? Really?!!? Absolutely not. That is equivalent to saying: This is true because I believe it is. That is lazy, unreasonable and DISHONEST. I really hope you think about that.
Oh not the emotional blackmail card again, "you're just mocking me". Truth sometimes hurts don't it?
@58jf59 Thank you for your response. However, you misunderstand. A believer is never to try to attempt to proove that God is real to anyone who is determined to believe that He's not. Any attempt to do so is futile at best. We are to share our faith with everyone we meet. If a person is determined not to believe, we are to leave them in peace and share our faith with someone who wants to hear it. You have closed your mind to anyone that disagrees. the burden is on you to seek the truth.
@58jf59 It's easy to say " proove God is real. " I say proove that He's not. Here is simple truth. You chatter and make noise of vanity; knowing nothing and understanding nothing. Lazy ? You're a coward who fears to seek out truth. ( No matter where it takes you. ) You are the worst kind off fool; who speak of things you don't understand while proclaming to understand them. You lie to youself and all who hear you. Truth? You have no reality of the word. Hurt? You don't have the power.
@pastorSGoode You must understand that the burden of proof lies with the person who is making a claim. Also you must be able to understand that your "Proove god isn't real" question is completely silly!! I could come up with some completely random creature/goblin/alien/cartoon that I think exists and you would not be able to disproove it. So it's a totally silly question.
@Metlamaniac You and I are both making claims. I say, "God is real" you say," God is not". The very strength of your reason is that we can't proove that He is. My counter to that, is that you can't proove that He's not. If this tactic is valid for you, it becomes valid for me. If I say, I cast out demons in the name of Jesus; you'll say the person had a mental disorder. If a person say, seven demons were cast out of them; you'll say it was mind manipulation
@pastorSGoode No, that is totally not true. The only thing I am doing as an atheist is saying "Im sorry I do not think your claim is true" and I say that to all the 3,000 gods that are being claimed. That is it. I'm not making a claim. How can you not see that? It's almost like saying a person has a hobby by not collecting stamps. You have to understand that before we can continue in are argument because that is crucial.
@Metlamaniac In truth; I'm trying to understand you fully. At the same time I want you to understand me. I believe we have both come across people who desire to belittle and provoke conflict; rather than communicate for better understanding. Here is what I believe; if I say God is, then I proclaim a thing; if you say God is not, then you proclaim a thing. The burden has become mutual. I am in era as I have found many atheist to be....
@Metlamaniac ...I have allowed myself to see you equal to the atheist who would rather yell and insult, rather than communicate and then agree to disagree. ( if need be ).For that, I ask you to forgive me. You are consistent in your beliefe. The evidence you seek from man, can't be found by anyone who is determined to reject personal life acountings of so many people. I enjoyed communicating with you. You helped me to remember.
@pastorSGoode Ok, I am happy to discuss rather than yell, no prob. But I am not stating "GOD DOES NOT EXIST". If I did that, that would be a claim. Maybe that is what you are not understanding? I am rejecting YOUR claim. Atheism means not accepting the claims made by religions. However, I believe there to be no god, that is different. Do you see where I am coming from with this? Other people say god either exists or does not so is 50/50 chance of getting it right..that is also total rubbish.
@Metlamaniac Ok. Now I understand. You are what I call a seeker of truth. I have met other atheist who don't deny the reality of a particular God; but, just ask for proof. Still, I must point out the flaw in this reasoning. What proof can be given besides the manifesting of God in the flesh. You have placed yourself in a position that will never allow you to value any evidence that you haven't encountered yourself. With your agreement, May I pray(in Jesus' name) for God to reveal Himself to you.
@pastorSGoode Yes that is true, I will always stick with science too because when some new information comes in, everything changes. Religion does not do this. Science is the best way to get closer to the truth. For your other point, I fully understand and agree with this video - /watch?v=a0hYf6Gw5-E&feature=related
@Metlamaniac Most people don't understand that true faith and understanding of the bible, embraces science as another tool in which increases our wealth of knowledge and life. I believe science ( like all good things ) is a God inspired tool that man had come to corrupt and hate. ( mostly through closed minded individuals who fear what they don't understand. ) For me, science is the greatest proof of God. The very theory concerning random order; points to a creator.
@pastorSGoode Do you understand that evolution actually happened? We all have a common ancestor, and that your (roughly) 150 billionth grandfather was a fish?
I agree with what you said to a certain extent, there are christian scientists. Many scientists (Depending on the area they work in) have come to terms that their beliefs are being challenged. I imagine that as you are a believer in science - talking snakes, a pregnant virgin, Adam and eve, young earth, is absolute garbage?
@Metlamaniac You mis-understand me. If a scientist is a Christian or not; I find to be a meaningless point. I stated; having faith, doesn't mean we reject science. As for volution; I do believe in it. We just disagree in the process. You believe we come from fish, apes, and gorillas; yet close your mind to satan talking through a snake, a vigin having a child and so on. How can your mind be so open and still so closed? Fish, apes, gorillas, still exist; making your whole theory garbage.
@pastorSGoode What process do you think happened in evolution? I must point out a talking snake is completely supernatural. You genuinely believe that happened? How you can compare those two things is beyond me. One has complete and utter overwhelming evidence, and the other has absolutely zero. They are miles apart. That is why I close my mind to those things. Evolution has an immense amount of evidence. Even if there were no fossils, the evidence is still overwhelming.
@Metlamaniac Tell me; what began evolution and what stoped it. If mankind evolved from these creatures while these very same creatures remain true to it's form, as does man, then your theory is whithout foundation. Atheist have thi one thing in common; you all speak of facts that come from opinions. Science has prooved itself not to be exact. I can't believe that the logical conclussion of evolution still escapes you. The difference between us is this...
@Metlamaniac ... I can disagree with you while still respecting and understanding your arrival to what you believe. You say do research; you make yourself a fool when you say such things to me. You speak of faith, religion, Christians, and the like as if they are one in the same. This is true ignorance. You talk of fossils and absolute proof when ther is no such thing. You can't understan how I can your faith in evolution to my faith in satan speaking through a snake? I thought you were smarter.
@pastorSGoode I say "do research" because u r actually getting the facts wrong. If I quote something wrong from the bible then u can tell me to do research, and I will. If I get different information from the bible to you, then you could tell me to do research but I might say "we both have different views on that matter" But your claim that fish existance in 2012 can disproove evolution is absolutely wrong, there is no other thing to say about it. It's not just my opinion, it's actually wrong.
@Metlamaniac Here is where we come to a wall. When an atheist ask; give me evidence/proove to me that God is real, and we say; just know that He is, it is never enough for you. Now you say my beliefe or lack of beliefe in your understanding of evolution is just wrong. Now I say for you to say that, is not enough. Show me how it is wrong. I am open to be taught.... You say, if you quote something wrong from the bible to let you know and you'll do the research,,,,
@Metlamaniac I gave you Hebrews Chapter 11 to read as research of what Christians consider to be faith. Have you atleast done this small thing for better Clarity? This will tell you what faith is and then give examples that you may come to a greater understanding. I have spoken with atheist, satanist, Catholics, Christians, Muslims, and others of different beliefe/faith and walked away with a greater understanding of what theu believe and why. It's about hearing and not just being heard.
@pastorSGoode It would make a lot more sense to me if you actually believed in evolution but still believed in god. There are many that do. But you are obviously entitled to do what you want, i just hope you don't teach what you preach about evolution.
@Metlamaniac You are understanding what you want to understand. I do believe in evolution. You can't proove any of the things you're saying about evolution. What I teach is beyond your understanding. You have limited yourself to a shadow of who you are created to be. How can you consider breeding and transformation as the same thing? The question remains. If we were these things, how can the things we were, still be?
@pastorSGoode I don't think we are getting anywhere with this conversation so we should probably end it soon. We did not evolve from the fish and monkeys and apes that you see today. Us and the monkeys, chimpanzees evolved from the same common ancestor many years ago. Scientists have actually evolved animals into other species of animal in the lab during our lifetime!!!!! It's actual fact!! We should end this. Carry on denying reality. "can a man and woman have puppies?" hahahaha. Bye.
@Metlamaniac I disagree. Although we may never agree, a valid point has been made. You claim Christians state things as facts without telling you what makes them facts, yet; when given several chances to give facts to validate what you believe, you walked away from the opportunity to do so. This makes you hypocrite at best. What scientist do to animals today, have no relivance to what happened billions of years ago. You should know that. Still; be well and in good health.
@pastorSGoode . I would like to try to explain evolution to you but Im now not sure you will get it in 500 letters. Im not being funny, but u really don't have a grasp of it. Peer reviewed scientific papers are actually out there for you to read. Even wikipedia can explain details that I would normally go on to say! We are still evolving now, evolution hasn't stopped. Why on earth would it not have relevance? U think the laws of the universe have somehow changed in a few hundred thousand years?
@Metlamaniac Here isthe greatest weakness of most atheist; You constantly over estimate yourself while under estimating others. At age 12/13, I've read several pschology books and studied the evolution with great detail. You see; I needed proof that there was such a thing as God. You say science has been tested and predicted? You know scientist are in disagrement concerning that very statement. Don't speak these things as facts when you know they're not. Yes; I agree that we are still evolving..
@Metlamaniac If you understood faith, you'll understand that to believe in a theory of things that too place billions of years ago is faith. You say we came from fish, wher's the proof. You say what they do in labs today effect what happened to animals billions of year ago? Your learning and studies are incomplete with a onesided perspective. If you took time to study the bible, you see that everything that it said will happen did and still is...
@pastorSGoode I never said what they do in labs effected what happened years ago, thats a lie. Scientists disagree with one another, but it doesn't become a theory until an idea has been tested, prooved, able to predict. Then all credible scientists agree. If someone had a piece of evidence that contradicted evolution, scientists would love to know about it! They would because that would be break through science in itself! If u understand we are still evolving, why did u ask how it stopped?
@Metlamaniac Are these not your words ( scientist have evolved animals today to be something else ) as an arguement to proove your point in evolution. So what I said wasn't a lie. When I said; why did it stop, I was speaking on mankind's natural process into becoming who we are. The evidence that derails evolution is the common frog. Has it's natural order of life ever changed ?
@pastorSGoode I mean this seriously by the way, keep bringing up your issues with evolution, like you did with 'frogs' and I will hopefully show you the answers to your concerns. If you won't believe the evidence that is provided for it, then that is your problem. Any other thing that you have against evolution?, tell me...and lets see if there is a scientific real, peer reviewed explanation for it.
@pastorSGoode If you REALLY want to understand the things most scientists agree on then go to this website. world wide web talkorigins. org
There is a section if you click 'browse' that is called 'evidence for evolution' No mumbo jumbo, just facts as we understand them today. No faith, everything tried, tested, predicted. Just remember scientists love to proove eachother wrong. Thats what makes science so great. Cowabunga, it's been good talking.
@Metlamaniac Your understanding of evolution is weak. You talk about God and spiritual thing as if you really studied them. I've seen things that you only seen in a movie. You Quote your text book phrase on how to debate a Christian and have come to see the era in doing so. Did you ever ask yourself; why is hard for me just to read the bible for myself? What force is holding me back? You hate God and everything connected to Him. This why you take great effort to ridicule Him and His believers..
@Metlamaniac You are as satan; seeking to destroy everything that loves God. If this is not so, why not make videos about santa claus, the easter bunny, and so on? You hold them in th same regard. This is why; when I asked you can I pray for God to reveal Himself in you, you felt a jolt of fear in you; and why you can't bring youself to read Hebrews chapter 11. You are controled by demons.
@pastorSGoode and hang on a minute. Your last sentance means you completely don't understand what evolution is. You honestly think that because there are still fish and monkeys, that disprooves evolution? You think if you sat infront of a load of evolutionary scientists and made that point, they would all go "oh yes, never thought of that" ? Honestly.....do some research before you start spreading that kind of ignorant statement.
@Metlamaniac If I quote the bible it is meaningless; because you reject it as truth. This when God and only God can proove Himself to you. If we don't come to this understanding, we will become enemies to one another. I hear your reasons for not believing and I can understand you not believing. But, I tell you this; you rob yourself of a greater revelation of a reality that this reality is birthed from. It is not my desire to make you a headless robot. I have stood in a place where you now stand
@Metlamaniac A person said to me; If you truely want to know if God is real, go home and ask God to reveal Himself to you. The proof I have floods my very being. This is something that I can never get you to understand. You are not my enemy; because I have none. The love I have for you and all of mankind, is a manifestation of God's great love and mercy. Truth is a very demanding thing. You must want it. When you get it, can you then turn from what you believed your whole life?
@pastorSGoode I chatter and make noise of vanity? Is not everything you wrote exactly what a Muslim would tell me? Think about "prove he's not real". What could that conceivably even mean to you, how could anyone even go about doing that, if your response would be along the lines of, "No, but my god is allowed to be illogical". And yes it is easy to say "prove god is real", because that applies to everything else you believe about reality. But then, "god" is a special case, right?
@58jf59 Doesn't this takes us back to what I said about Christians never trying to proove God is real? Understand this if nothing else; God is not illogical, man is. Your greates and ( in my opinion ) only defense is to say; proove to me that God is real. I'm saying to you, proove that He's not. Where are your facts to back up the opinion that you call facts? Chatter=speaking of things you don't understand/vanity=believing that you are superior to anyone who disagrees with you.
@pastorSGoode "Man is illogical" What on earth does that mean? Man defies logic? Man is impossible? Yes chatter, you don't understand god do you? My beliefs are superior to yours in that I require reason to believe something. You say you speak the truth, but don't support it. If you don't support it, then I've no reason to believe it. That's called burden of proof. Read about it. You are positing a claim, not me. God not existing is the default position.
@pastorSGoode If you don't understand that, I've nothing further to say to you, because I can't learn anything from you, and you sure as hell can't learn anything from me.
@58jf59 You're right you speak like a savage. You thpught you were a Christian. If you understood anything about God and mankind, you'll know why I called man illogical. Your like a prehistoric fool. " my belief is superior to yours. " What an imbecile. You can't " PROOVE " what you're saying so; with idiocy you say ' PROOVE " that God is real. What can a closed archaic mind like yours offer anyone. Who claimed why you stoped believing?
@58jf59 The moment you responded towhatever I posted, burden of became yours. Are you that asinine that you can't understand that. What kind of fool are you to tell another person what they think. Finally; who asked you to teach anything. All you do is say; this is this and that is that; but when asked to give sound reason for your life belief, you rant and rave like a circus monkey. Man smoking, drinking, using drugs, and killing eachother for profit this is logical? DUMMY!!!
@pastorSGoode Are you seriously throwing insults like DUMMY over the internet? Is that because I've hit a raw nerve, and you're getting uncomfortable?
No. Look up burden of proof. There's a box of unknown size that you look at or measure in any way. I say there's a gold bar in it. I know this because I have faith. You ask me how I know there is, I say you can't prove there isn't so that's proof there is. That's why we have burden of proof.
@58jf59 I treated you with respect and honor and you returned my actions with insults and disrespect. as a result, responded in a manner that you seem to desire. I never told you that the bible teaches us not to smoke or drink. Do you actually think every thought I have, must come from the bible. If you didn't see the word pastor, we could have the same conversation without a wall of deffensive aggressioin....
@58jf59 ... I would never ask you or any other atheist to look un the bible for proof; because I understand you consider it to be a fairytale at best. Believe it or not, Atheist, Muslims, and Catholics and so on,, tried to rescue me from Christianity for one reason or another. The truth is, although I didn't agree with them ( nor them with me ) I walked away respecting them; because they were really believe they wer helping me....
@58jf59 Christians who understand what they are called to do, should do the same. ( give information ) The person has a God given right to choose and must never force or faith down the throat of anyone. As for hell; you'll find that I never made any mention of it or who's going. Christians who tell anyone that they're going to hell is in danger of going to hell. It's a horrible and painful thing to say. If I said you were going to hell, I claim to prophesy. 7yrs from now you may get saved..
@58jf59 ... Now that would mean that I gave a false prophecy. This a very evil act. God warns us never to do such an evil thing. Every response should be, this is what the bible say concerning the matter. Even then that's a hard thing to say to anyone. If you seen Joel Olsteen on Oprah last night. you would have seen how hard it was for him to say what the bible said concerning the question she asked....
@58jf59 The problem with the proof you ask for me to give you, is next to impossible for you to see as proof. Your mind is completely and perfectly based on logic. I fully understand that and have nothing bad to say concerning it. God can never be proven by anyone. The Gold example you gave is not really a good one; because your talking about a tangible item. My proof/evidence comes from the very core of my being. This comes to those who really want truth...
@pastorSGoode ... No Pastor, Bishop, or Minister, cvan give that to you. All you need to do is want the truth no matter where it takers you. Go yo place where you're alone and be honest. Tell God that you don't believe that He's real ( like i did ) Tell Him, if you're real, then prove youself to me. ( like I did )
@pastorSGoode It is dishonest and unreliable to allow your emotions about wanting god to exist dictate what you believe about your existence. Do you not see the contradiction that that is exactly what a muslim would tell me, and how they would go about proving Allah exists? Or maybe that doesn't matter to you, if so I say that is lazy and dishonest of you, because you use these means to prove your god exists, but ignore the obvious contradiction it creates.
@pastorSGoode I don't understand what "tell god that you don't believe that he's real" means. Then I wouldn't believe he wasn't real which would make that a lie.
@58jf59 Are you and your other atheist clan that fearful of getting the proof you asked for? You're telling God to prove Himself real to you. If you are true to your words, and you just want proof, what is there to fear. No one would know, see, or hear. If it was a waste of time, Now you will the proof that He doesn't. I think the three of you are in fear. You fear knowing that everything you stood for was a lie.
@pastorSGoode The great thing is that being an atheist, there is nothing to fear. You very much more than likely only live once, so go and do some good and have a darn good time doing it before your heart stops and your brain dies along with your mind. In a way you should also be in fear of all the gods you reject. Just imagine what they are gonna do to you!!!!
@pastorSGoode You really think that if people prayed for god to show them he is real that would happen? It's quite sickening that you still think that really. What about that girl that was recently found to have been locked up, raped, tortured by her father....praying everynight for god to help her. 20 odd years. 20 ODD YEARS of it...praying......but,nothing, absolutly nothing. What exactly happened there?
@Metlamaniac Sorry to butt in, there's no point putting those problems to a christian you'll just get the "god is mysterious" answer. Another NO ENTRY sign for reason.
@Metlamaniac You're forcing me to give an answer that I know you're not going to like. Here goes, I heard about that young lady and I can't honestly give you an answer that would be good enogh for me; let alone you. I can only tell you what worked for me. I can only tell you that I've seen tumors vanish, lumps in breast vanish, the cripple walk, and the blind see. Still I've seen prayer that yielded no fruit...
@pastorSGoode Yeah I've seen medical science at work too.
So when a bad thing clears up then that's evidence of god, but when a bad thing doesn't then that's not evidence against god. No, you can't have your cake and eat it. This is where the word 'falsifiable' comes in.
@pastorSGoode Have you seen god restore amputated limbs? I have a feeling I can answer that for you. So.....why doesn't he do it? Faith healing is the biggest crock of shit I have ever heard about. Bastards taking money from susceptible people. It's a bloody crime. Awful.
@Metlamaniac Who said anything about going to the hospital? It's bloody crine that your whole attitude changed the moment your clan feared you being awakened to the truth that you mentally controlled not to believe.
@Metlamaniac I am one of countless people who have been healed, raised from the dead, made to walk, made to see and much, much, more. Doctors said there was nothing else they coul do medically. Because of what God did, the Doctor ( an atheist ) turned from a non-believer to a believer. You sound like fools trying to catch the wind with your hands. Idiots! Knowing nothing, understanding nothing. I am the proof that God is God! Fools becoming bigger fools with every word. an insult to humanity
@Metlamaniac This really confirms you level and strength of atheist. Do really think That I don't have medical proof and forms of x-rays, files, personal notes from nurses, doctors, and people to confirm what I'm saying is true. You talk about proof. You have shown yourself to be a liar who chooses to live in a willful state of ignorance while pulling others into a pit of blind fools. Did you really think that the day wouldn't come that God would prove you to be scared fraud.
@pastorSGoode Please name me a lie I have told? Ok so, this now gets interesting. You have actual proof that god intervened in some way to make you healtheir? Oh please say yes. This means you have shattered science to the core in one swoop. Do you understand me? You can take that to the science labs, TV, newspapers and earn millions. Do you understand that? DO YOU? And congratulations on being the first person in the world to have evidence for god. Why didn't you say this before!!!
@Metlamaniac You're prooving yourself a bigger idiot withevery calculated teaching on how to debate a believer. Go in the labs and show me proof that God didn't heal me. I have proof that I was dead for close to 13 minutes and the actual time the atheist doctor sai call it. I have proof that I was blind, I have proof that I was paralysed, I have proof that I was in a coma, I have proof that my brain had swollen and stretched my skull apart,,,
@pastorSGoode I don't care that you have proof you were blind, you have proof you were dead for 13 minutes, you have proof you were paralysed and that your brain had swollen to the size of an ant. The fact is, is that you don't have proof that god did this. And OH MY GOD THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS WITH YOU!!!! Fuck me you are the worst person and illogical person to talk with.
@Metlamaniac If I submit proof the moment you that's not proof then you need to say that's not proof because this or that. Are you that lost that you think you can say; that's not good enough without giving reason that all the proof I said isn"t good enough. Do you actually think that by you saying show me God in tube, in a lab I f I pulled God out a closet, you'll say; duhhh, how do I know that's God; and uhhh, why is He in the closet.
@Metlamaniac Enough is enough. I gave mountains of evidence to prove that God is real. Now give me a tenth of that to prove that there is no God. Just like a typical atheist. You demand facts but always fall back on; what I think happened... That'the stength of your reasoning for believing; what you think. No facts. No proof. Just a guess shot in the dark. It was my mistake; I believed you better.
@pastorSGoode You just WILL NOT make any effort to understand what burden of proof means, and then blame that on atheists! YOU are making the guess shot in the dark, because YOU are asserting something is true, and YOU then state "God can never be proven by anyone." But yet you keep waffling on as if there is some mysterious proof. I'm not asserting anything, other than I have no reason to accept your CLAIM. When someone starts prying open your fallacies, you get angry with them.
@58jf59 I only respond because I believe true in your questions are without harmful purpose. You bring up the word dummy without owning up to the insults and profanity used against me. This is the root of the cause that keeps us from hearing each other. I have known atheist all of my life; and I have never not been able to discuss without a meeting of the minds in the very basic of our understanding.
@58jf59 Eventhough the atheist have walked away still believing what they believe and for the very same reason you do, mental capacity was never an issue. Liar and words of that nature were never spoken. Every other word you speak is wrapped in an insult. How many times did you call me a liar in that last posting? Here is a simple truth, you have never proved anything I said to be a lie. You keep saying prove, prove. So I give proof. you say that's not good enough..
@58jf59 There is no proof that ay man on yhis earth can give you that you are even willing to consider. I say God will prove himself, but you can't understand that, because you never really took time to actually learn what I believe or why. You still think I don't understand burden of proof when I have lawyers in my family and read law books befor I ever heard of cat in the hat. Anything I don't understand,,,,
@pastorSGoode Ask the lawyers in your family why you shouldn't ask the question "Prove god doesn't exist" then. And you're still trapped in thinking that everytime I explain to you what you're saying is fallacious, then that's an insult. Get over yourself. I'll consider reasonable proof. You admitted you don't have any. So stop telling me you have any over and over and over again, that's just more lying on your part. I put it to you you believe what you do only because you want to.
@58jf59 ,,, I make it a point to understand. I posted that I have family members that are atheist; yet you don't acknowledge that. If you say to a believer, there is no God or give me proof that God is real, a believer can easily say prove that He's not. Since you're unable to do so, burden of proof has been met. After telling why I believe and telling of the evidence I have; as-well-as the atheist who began to believe because of what he saw,,,
@pastorSGoode There. You do NOT understand burden of proof. You think that because someone can not disprove something, then that's proof that it's true. It doesn't even make it more likely to be true, never mind prove it. Watch this video /watch?v=5wV_REEdvxo
And don't come back to me until you understand what's being said in it.
@58jf59 Let's agree. Not to be able to prove that there isn't a God; doesn't believe that there is. Then this will also hold true; the proof or lack of proof needed to please you dosen't mean that there isn't a God. How dare I? If you can't understand how your remarks can be offesive to someone who believes, what more can I say? If you take time to read, you'll find that I responded to everything you said. You are frustrated because you over estimated yourself.
@58jf59 ,,, what does your fellow atheist do? Jumps to faith healers and chaces to make millions. There are no such thing as faith healers. God is the one who heals and cast out demons. Christians are only vessels in which He works through. If anyone calls theirself a faith healer, then he talking about using demon powers. The truth of the matter is this; everything you said about the bible, Christians, and any people is a constant insult. I've proven myself. It's wtitten, God will prove Himself
@pastorSGoode How dare you accuse me of constantly insulting you. You hypocrite. And you're dodging again, rambling on about your family having atheists and faith healing!!! That has nothing to do with anything I've talked about. I've had enough of wasting my time trying to reason with you. People like you don't even realise the harm you do to christianity. Go read about burden of proof, instead of lying to people that you have, then publicly making a fool of yourself.
@58jf59 People like me are bad for atheist. I use your own reasoning against you; only to have you say that it makes no sense. I never said I didn't have proof. Do you need to lie in order to make people believe that you actaully won debate. You ran away from every topic that proved you to be a fool. How can the self proclaimed intelligent people on the earth have such a deminished ability to understand simple things? You proved that theory a lie. THANKS!!!
@Metlamaniac One Christian and two feeble atheist. Go back to your how to book, lick your wounds, ( if possible ) think twice before speaking to anyone who won't fall for child like tactics. You have the burden of proof. Really? And you thought that'll work. ha.
@pastorSGoode I've got to add this, even though it's been said. I was wondering if you would answer me with yes or no, or if you can't, just something short (if Possible) to explain your answer... please? Q :The default position for anyone (even hypothetically a person who is just plonked on to this planet without knowing anything )is to not know anything right?
@Metlamaniac I'm going to quickly educate you concerning what I believe. ( Important ) Soul = mind, will emotions; read Genesis 2:7 then Genesis 2:19, finally; Genesis 3:2. If this does not answer your question, I will answer with a yes or no, ( Despite how mis-leading that response will be. Cogito, ergo sum-I think, therefore I am.
@58jf59 I ask you to read all that was said between you and I. See what you fault in me, you began. Finally how can an atheist respecet another atheist for his reasoning and then insult him for believing something else. No one preached to him; in fact he wouldn't hear of such a thing. He only believed because he something that made him believe. If you're an atheist, then be a true atheist; not believing and respecting others who do believe.
@Metlamaniac ,,, now you have proof. But listen to youself. trying to find away to discredit what I'm saying. Congratulations for being the very first atheist I've ever talked to that showed a level far below any level of stupid I've ever seen. Stay in your cave feeble minds and false reality. Because of you, I am for the first time in my life, loosing respect for atheist. You did what no other atheist could do.
@pastorSGoode You honestly think I am being silly by asking for proof that god made you better? What I think has happened is that you may have been ill/blind/disabled, whatever....and you may have proof of that which is fine. But you have zero proof that god made you better. How is that me being silly? That is fact isn't it? I don't doubt that you believe it, but that isn't proof I'm affraid. "now i have proof"...??? .are you on drugs?
@pastorSGoode You discredit yourself. You just told me "God can never be proven by anyone."
And calling someone a DUMMY, an imbecile, and stupid during throwing your toys out of the pram in a tantrum for challenging you, and telling blatant LIES (see above) to trick people is JUST what jesus would want you to do. Yet you have the audacity to accuse an atheist of causing you to lose respect for him!
@pastorSGoode Please also understand this. If any faith healer could heal people using faith they could be multimillionaires, or even richer than they already are. All they would need to do is prove it and go through some testing. It would be in the guiness book of records, it would be groundbreaking. Yet.......nothing. Literally not a shred is in any peer reviewed science papers, not a shred of it proven apart from it just being believed by a minority. Why is that?
@Metlamaniac Your one tracked mind have you stuck on megga churches and millions of dollars. There were no Benny, Crespo, T.D. Jakes, or Joel Olsteen. If you dared to do real research, you'll find many legal documents of limbs being restored, dead raised back to life; observed by, and then generated by atheist who were there do disprove God. You are in the minority. billions seen and believe. Stop stating things that contradicts facts. Even your favorite atheist author proclaimed this true.
@pastorSGoode I was talking about people who believe in faith healers are in the minority. Well....certainly in England they are. Those people you mentioned, please show me their 'legal documents'. By the way any atheist who tried to disprove god, probably was an idiot. As most atheists know....that's impossible. Just like proving monsters don't exist. Impossible. So anyway, show me these documents.
@Metlamaniac Plus, she may well have gone to heaven which is infinite, so any suffering on earth is infinitesimal by comparison. You're right, this thought train is disturbing. I refuse to allow people to spread these harmful myths. Their beliefs inform their actions.
@Metlamaniac I know this isn't good enough for you. Sometime I don't know or understand why God answers some and not others. It's hard ( at times ) to preach or teach when I see this. I believe God is on the throne and have to remember the ones that were healed, delivered, and made whole.
@pastorSGoode It is a good one to describe anything that either exists or doesn't. Yes, logic is all there is. If you're one of these people who thinks that there is truth outside of logic, then I say to you you simply do not understand the definition of the word. You state god cannot be proven to anyone. You then say your proof comes from the very core of your being. This is nonsense, and exactly what I would expect as the result of someone confused?
@pastorSGoode I don't need a bible to figure out the potential problems with smoking, drinking, using drugs and killing for profit. I'm seriously concerned about anyone who thinks they do.
I think I owe it to someone who I see is mistaken to correct them. Especially when they think I deserve to be tortured eternally for not believing a claim they can't demonstrate is true.
Also, prove Allah does not exist. You can't? See, that's proof he does.
@58jf59 You speak as if you understand what I believe about reality when you don't. You are unable to see individuals in a faith without binding them all together. You shine the light on those who corrupt their faith without holding them as indivduals who break the hearts of the others in that same faith. You never took time to know that religion and Christian living are two different things. I don't know what a Muslim would say. I say what all atheist have ever said; proove. You can't.
@pastorSGoode I'm not going over the whole "proove god isn't real thing again" As I said, you can't proove that the flying spagetti monster doesn't exist so you point is stupid. Yes, scientists have evolved animals into different species today in the labs. But what I did not say was that is somehow effects what has happened in the past, which is what you clearly think I said. Frogs, ok. View this link : world wide web.dinosaurs.about.com/od/otherprehistoriclife/a/prehistoric-amphibians.htm
@Metlamaniac Once again, ( and what I now see you can't understand ) you actually believe that if you say scientist say this or that, acutally has value to someone who believes that there is no; without a doubt, or shadow of proof to validate what you claim. It is the same thing as me telling you to read the bible for all the proof you need, or read a book written by Smith Wigglesworth, Watchme Nee. You know for every scientist that say one thing, there's another who say different...
@Metlamaniac ... The bible speaks of demons taking on human form and causing women to have children that grew to be giants. We call them Nephilim. The remains/evidence of this have been discovered. There are some scientist who believe that decendants of this race still exist today. Which scientist do you agree with; the ones who say this is proof of that bible myth is now prooven true; or the ones that say this finding prooves nothing?
@pastorSGoode Do you think a bunch of atheist can ever proove to me that God is not real or that demons don't exist. The truth of the matter is this, I really don't fault you for not believing; just for being dismissive without really understanding what you don't understand. Here's a news flash; Christians who really studied the bible always knew the earth was much older than what scientist 1st believed...
@pastorSGoode I must confess to you this fact, if I haven't seen the things I've seen. I'm not sure I'd believe. I was like Thomas; I needed to see to believe. I am not moved by fancy $10 words or by because I say so responses. There are some things that science just can't explain. You see, the word evidence is different for you and me. You believe that this is the only reality where as I know this is just a carbon copy of a graeter reality.
@pastorSGoode Well that's fair enough. I don't have a problem with people being religious. The problem I have is when people teach falsehoods. Or when people will kill others because of what they believe god wants them to. Or when people decide to thank god instead of themselves for acheivements they have made themselves. Or when if people can't understand something, they then decide to say "god did it" as an answer. Or when amazing things happen, "goddidit" It's so wrong.
@pastorSGoode And you are right, science has never claimed to know everything....obviously. It is constantly attempting to try things out. When new information comes in, everything in the science world changes. As I have said before religion does not do this, and is stuck in the dark ages. Or....is cherry picked to find the good things the bible sais.
@Metlamaniac A believer is the one who say " You have the right to believe in whatever you choose to, I respect and honor you to live the life/lifestyle of your choosing, and that God love everyone; including those who reject Him. I am a believer. The religious peopl are the ones who say; your going to hell because and I'm going to help God out by killing those who reject Him. These concepts are in conflict with the teachings in the bible. The believer understand dispensation...
Well clearly you don't understand either... You just admitted that. That girl prayed every night, every single night. Contantly raped. Think about that for a minute. Instead of thinking "god works in mysterious ways"....why can't you just first accept that he may not actually exist. Open your eyes, think for yourself.
Metlamaniac 6 days ago
Do you know why God is wonderful? He is wonderful because he loves ALL His children, even those who deny Him.
theblondesillygirl2 6 days ago
@theblondesillygirl2 ah ok. So he loves the little girl that got raped and tortured for 20 years by her father in Germany? Nice.
Metlamaniac 6 days ago
@Metlamaniac sometimes we cannot understand why He loves. That's the big question why ahteists don't believe in God. They don't understand.
theblondesillygirl2 6 days ago
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@theblondesillygirl2 Well clearly you don't understand either... You just admitted that. That girl prayed every night, every single night. Contantly raped. Think about that for a minute. Instead of thinking "god works in mysterious ways"....why can't you just first accept that he may not actually exist. Open your eyes, think for yourself.
Metlamaniac 5 days ago
@theblondesillygirl2 go fuck a donkey
ThemTheyHeShe 3 days ago
@ThemTheyHeShe I already did...I fucked you while you were sleeping :)
theblondesillygirl2 3 days ago
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Spasatcom 2 weeks ago
I love Jesus, I love Jesus, I LOVE JESUS nah nah nah nah nah. And there's NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT! (:
cortneyms 2 weeks ago
@cortneyms You don't love Jesus, honey. Get over it already. You love the ideal character that you created in your mind along with the good education and love you received from the people who introduced you to this. So your mind creates a connection between pleasure (comfort) and everything related to this practice or philosophy. That's why thinking of Jesus makes you feel this amazing feeling. And damn it's a strong and good feeling! But it's all in your mind, babe. All mind's work. Sorry.
Fabio4e20 1 week ago
@Fabio4e20 its a damn good feeling, thats why only the strong-willed can stand to break away from it. most christians dont have a strong will, neither intelligence with reasoning.
StrelokNikitin 6 days ago
Ok, before I do that can I just make a point. A baby knows nothing when it is born. If a baby was able to grow without anyones help, it will not know anything about the bible. There are tribes that have not even heard the bible out in the brazilian forest and have made families, /friends/ villages. They know nothing of the god you believe. Does that help you in answering my question at all?
Metlamaniac 2 weeks ago
@Metlamaniac Forgive me for the late response. I never got the notice of your reply. It does. ( My personal beliefe ) concerning a the baby growing up alone, is this; I find it hard to agree with anyone who states that they will burn in hell. Nor do I believe babies will go to hell.
pastorSGoode 2 weeks ago
And where on earth did "Man smoking, drinking, using drugs, and killing eachother for profit this is logical" even come from?!?! No it is not moral or completely reasonable, but it is logical. Are you sure you understand what the word 'logic' means?
Neither is it reasonable to believe something just because it makes you feel good, and think that because you say it can't be disproved then that's evidence it's true.
58jf59 2 weeks ago
Read back over your comments and try to tell me I was ANYWHERE near as insulting, which was not my intention, to you. And then you try to justify the words you use to describe me!
Now, instead of changing the subject, are you going to deal with this burden of proof misunderstanding you have? Or do you have too much pride? Do you realise that when I say you are wrong, it is not YOU I disrespect, but WHAT YOU SAY? Rational people welcome criticism, I certainly do.
58jf59 2 weeks ago
I just made a case that a man can be logical though....?
Metlamaniac 2 weeks ago
Did you know that most religious people are actually part atheists themselves. They all believe in their own god and deny any other. Thats like near 3,000 gods that they don't believe in. Thats almost 100% atheism. I just go one god further.
Metlamaniac 2 weeks ago
smoking and drinking isn't logical any more?
Metlamaniac 2 weeks ago
@Metlamaniac If we know smoking will give us cancer, drinking will destroy our liver, and using drugs will destroy our brains and worst; It is illogical to seek a long and healty life and still do these things. Drinking and driving increases our chances in having an accedent. These actions only become logical if a man is determined to kill or slowly end his life. Do you agree?
pastorSGoode 2 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode I only agree in the sense that most living things are therefore illogical. There are animals (not just including ourselves) that do things that lead to their early deaths. Also, I'm sure there are people who don't really care what happens to themselves, who like to do drugs and smoke. That would then be classed as a logical move wouldn't it? If you like something, you do it. For someone who doesn't give a shit about their life....why not. That's logical.
Metlamaniac 2 weeks ago
@Metlamaniac I can find no place to disagree with what you said. I ask you to understand that I am not making a case ( one way or the other ) for people who do these things. I am just pointing out that mankind is far from logical and is in no way able to say God is illogical as a statement of fact. We can only stand in a place of strong opinion.
pastorSGoode 2 weeks ago
This is where you are wrong. No-one goes out on a killing spree, or orders people to kill others IN THE NAME OF ATHEISM. There are people who happen to be atheist, who are horrible. E.G Stalin. But he did not do what he did because there is no god. That just doesnt make sense. However there are people who do very bad things in the name of religion. 9/11 being one of them. They believed they were going to a better place. If u are a christian, you actually believe I am going to hell....don't you?
Metlamaniac 2 weeks ago
@Metlamaniac I agree. I don't believe every evil thing said or done by one ateist reflects the hearts of all atheist. This same understanding should be given to Christians and Muslims. If this is is true for atheist, logic would dictate this to be true for Christians and Muslims. Many people fail to realize that many things were said and done in the name of God by people who were not of the faith. Constantine is the greatest proof of that....
pastorSGoode 2 weeks ago
@Metlamaniac ...A believer will never tell you or anyone else that you are going to hell. None of us knows the future. To say such a thing would place us under the same judgement we used. I am allow to say and show ( if desired ) what the word of God says concerning the matter. It is the person's God given right to live the life they desire. No matter what they choose or do, God never stops loving them. A believer will still love and treat them well.
pastorSGoode 2 weeks ago
@Metlamaniac Please don't mis-understand me, I do not be-little your intelect or knowledge. There is a greater understanding of Genesis to Revelations that you must have if I am going to go into a greater/deeper teaching. Joel Olsteen said something ( and was mocked for it ); it is not for me to say who's going to hell. According to the bible, He's right. If man is to be judged, then let him be judged by the word of God.
pastorSGoode 2 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode I wasn't saying that you think I deserve to go to hell though, it's just what you believe. I know that when I die I will not have believed in any of the 3000 gods that are claimed to exist. So in most religions I will be going to a place called hell, and I dread to think what other religions 'know' will happen to me. I know that you believe that. Also I obviously know there are bad people who are christian that do very bad things, and also nice people that are christian that do....
Metlamaniac 2 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode ..very nice things. But those bad people have done things in the name of religion. Literally they believe their actions on earth will take them to a better place. You won't be able to name a single person (who I have heard of) that has done something very bad because there is no god. This is where they happen to be atheist, but are obviously crazy. But it isn't the same because they arnt doing it in the name of atheism. What they do is obviously still just as bad though, obviously.
Metlamaniac 2 weeks ago
@Metlamaniac In the video, a person called in and said; every Christian and God believing person should be locked away from society because of what they believe. He went on to say; the world would be a better place without us. Tell me, who on the panel disagreed. Aren't these the words of a person promoting and ready to kill for atheist sake. If a Christian said; I'm not like that, you say; that's proof that they know something is wrong with their beliefe sysem...
pastorSGoode 2 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode I'm really not being funny here but I don't understand how you could of got that from this video? At no point does someone say they should be locked away and certainly at no point does anyone suggest people should be killed? What on earth are you referring to?
Metlamaniac 2 weeks ago
@Metlamaniac You're absolutely correct. Please forgive me, I've been watching several video postings from atheist and made a era by lumping them together. I will search for the posting and let you know the name of the video. There are several atheist in my family and a lot that believe in God. ( Not Christian ) We sit and eat together while knowing we believe different things. Still, we find away to respect and honor eachother for what we believe....
pastorSGoode 2 weeks ago
@Metlamaniac Even you; though I disagree with what you believe, not once did I ever consider you stupid or crazy. If we were to meet, we may get into heated debate, but we'll walk away still friends. You haven't tried to convert me, nor did I try to convert you. We simply stated what we believe and why. This is healthy debate that demonstrates man evolving to a greater state consciosness. Agreeing to disagree. Truth is; you'll find that believers agree with atheist on most things.....
pastorSGoode 2 weeks ago
@Metlamaniac ... Just as Muslims agree with Christians on most things. Who is God and is there a God is usually the only place we disagree.
pastorSGoode 2 weeks ago
Ok, now we are getting somewhere I feel. Show me what peer reviewed scientific papers claim that these remains are real, and also show me the papers that claim the decendants of that race still exist? where do you get this information ? The entire genus Australopithecus was small, short and mostly of gracile anatomy, with their height ranging roughly from 3 to 4,5 feet. They also weren't "anatomically human", but were a mix of both primitive (closer to ape) and modern (closer to human) traits.
Metlamaniac 3 weeks ago
@Metlamaniac I believe you believe what you believe and aren't just being arguementative. ( This is why don't mind your speggetti monster remark ). I have to tell you that I have now understanding of the Australopithecus race and how that relates to Nephilims. It sounds like you sre talking about pigmies.
pastorSGoode 3 weeks ago
Your last sentance mean that you are ignorant to, or don't understand peer reviewed science papers. There is not one peer reviewed science paper that demonstrates any supernatural claim. Does that not make you think it's a bit odd?
Metlamaniac 3 weeks ago
I do not remember, and I also can't find a comment by you that referred to hebrews chapter 11? I could be missing it? Why do u think that our common ancestor would die off when a new species starts to develop? Why when humans breed dogs to different dogs (happens all the time) the original dog and it's future pups don't die? Please think about that, and also that evolution isn't a ladder of progression. It is a huge tree full of branches. That may get you closer to understanding it.....maybe?
Metlamaniac 3 weeks ago
@Metlamaniac You believe have faith in a theory that every scientist that ever was will laugh you out the room. Can a man and a women have puppies, or two dogs have humans ? You choose to believe in your own personal crazy. Your own faith disputes your words of so called facts. You can't really debate against spiritual reasons, because you are unwilling to atleast learn why true people of faith believe. Sitting and talking with other atheist concerning biblical things will not help you.
pastorSGoode 3 weeks ago
Ok, your last two commens are just so plain wrong it's immense. Evidence is not faith. It's the exact opposite to faith. The beginnings of evolution? I assume you're talking about how life began?, that isn't anything to do with evoultion so I won't go in to that. You r being ignorant when u talk about the existance of modern monkeys and fish as evidence to disproove evolution. You tell me, did your uncle or aunt suddenly die when you were born? If god made us from dirt, why is there still dirt?
Metlamaniac 3 weeks ago
facebook gets it all an I dont have friends :-o
Mee551able 3 weeks ago
Guys on the right and left combined hit the nail on the head. Guy that wrote the book, not so much.
MidnightAngel92 1 month ago
Summary: debate, discussion, awareness of alternatives to religion is key. Peacefully and calmly explaining the idea of atheism is important. Leave it up to them to ponder it and ultimately decide on a personal level, but NEVER let them impose it on others through the state, laws, etc.
MidnightAngel92 1 month ago
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MidnightAngel92 1 month ago
The bible has christians talking like they are not fools.
soloeinhander 1 month ago
@WeGameAlotSir I have the reference-- or rather, the references, because there are many, and they all come from Jesus himself. He says that we should not judge others, because we shall be judged with the measure we use to judge others with. Who then wants to be the one to condemn a gay man? Not me; I'm not going to pretend that I'm perfect. Instead, I'd like to treat others the way I'd like to be treated-- namely, not to be condemned for my shortcomings and mistakes. Does that suffice? I can pr
danielhmanning 1 month ago
God Virus? It should be called Religious virus... Atheists suffer from it too. ;)
TheREALforeverone 1 month ago
If atheist were honest and truely respectful of the right to choose, they wouldn't mock or debase others who believe different. How can they call this video a heathy forum for debate and at the same time call like forums of different beliefe an attempt to conform others. In one of their videos; they say Christians have the burden of proof. A Christian is only called to share the gospil; not proove it. God will proove Himself. ( If you reall want Him to )
pastorSGoode 1 month ago
@pastorSGoode No that will not wash with someone who is being HONEST with themselves and others. A Christian doesn't have to prove a claim about God because the burden of proof is on God? Really?!!? Absolutely not. That is equivalent to saying: This is true because I believe it is. That is lazy, unreasonable and DISHONEST. I really hope you think about that.
Oh not the emotional blackmail card again, "you're just mocking me". Truth sometimes hurts don't it?
58jf59 3 weeks ago
@58jf59 Thank you for your response. However, you misunderstand. A believer is never to try to attempt to proove that God is real to anyone who is determined to believe that He's not. Any attempt to do so is futile at best. We are to share our faith with everyone we meet. If a person is determined not to believe, we are to leave them in peace and share our faith with someone who wants to hear it. You have closed your mind to anyone that disagrees. the burden is on you to seek the truth.
pastorSGoode 3 weeks ago
@58jf59 It's easy to say " proove God is real. " I say proove that He's not. Here is simple truth. You chatter and make noise of vanity; knowing nothing and understanding nothing. Lazy ? You're a coward who fears to seek out truth. ( No matter where it takes you. ) You are the worst kind off fool; who speak of things you don't understand while proclaming to understand them. You lie to youself and all who hear you. Truth? You have no reality of the word. Hurt? You don't have the power.
pastorSGoode 3 weeks ago
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Metlamaniac 3 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode You must understand that the burden of proof lies with the person who is making a claim. Also you must be able to understand that your "Proove god isn't real" question is completely silly!! I could come up with some completely random creature/goblin/alien/cartoon that I think exists and you would not be able to disproove it. So it's a totally silly question.
Metlamaniac 3 weeks ago
@Metlamaniac You and I are both making claims. I say, "God is real" you say," God is not". The very strength of your reason is that we can't proove that He is. My counter to that, is that you can't proove that He's not. If this tactic is valid for you, it becomes valid for me. If I say, I cast out demons in the name of Jesus; you'll say the person had a mental disorder. If a person say, seven demons were cast out of them; you'll say it was mind manipulation
pastorSGoode 3 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode No, that is totally not true. The only thing I am doing as an atheist is saying "Im sorry I do not think your claim is true" and I say that to all the 3,000 gods that are being claimed. That is it. I'm not making a claim. How can you not see that? It's almost like saying a person has a hobby by not collecting stamps. You have to understand that before we can continue in are argument because that is crucial.
Metlamaniac 3 weeks ago
@Metlamaniac In truth; I'm trying to understand you fully. At the same time I want you to understand me. I believe we have both come across people who desire to belittle and provoke conflict; rather than communicate for better understanding. Here is what I believe; if I say God is, then I proclaim a thing; if you say God is not, then you proclaim a thing. The burden has become mutual. I am in era as I have found many atheist to be....
pastorSGoode 3 weeks ago
@Metlamaniac ...I have allowed myself to see you equal to the atheist who would rather yell and insult, rather than communicate and then agree to disagree. ( if need be ).For that, I ask you to forgive me. You are consistent in your beliefe. The evidence you seek from man, can't be found by anyone who is determined to reject personal life acountings of so many people. I enjoyed communicating with you. You helped me to remember.
pastorSGoode 3 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode Ok, I am happy to discuss rather than yell, no prob. But I am not stating "GOD DOES NOT EXIST". If I did that, that would be a claim. Maybe that is what you are not understanding? I am rejecting YOUR claim. Atheism means not accepting the claims made by religions. However, I believe there to be no god, that is different. Do you see where I am coming from with this? Other people say god either exists or does not so is 50/50 chance of getting it right..that is also total rubbish.
Metlamaniac 3 weeks ago
@Metlamaniac Ok. Now I understand. You are what I call a seeker of truth. I have met other atheist who don't deny the reality of a particular God; but, just ask for proof. Still, I must point out the flaw in this reasoning. What proof can be given besides the manifesting of God in the flesh. You have placed yourself in a position that will never allow you to value any evidence that you haven't encountered yourself. With your agreement, May I pray(in Jesus' name) for God to reveal Himself to you.
pastorSGoode 3 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode Yes that is true, I will always stick with science too because when some new information comes in, everything changes. Religion does not do this. Science is the best way to get closer to the truth. For your other point, I fully understand and agree with this video - /watch?v=a0hYf6Gw5-E&feature=related
Metlamaniac 3 weeks ago
@Metlamaniac Most people don't understand that true faith and understanding of the bible, embraces science as another tool in which increases our wealth of knowledge and life. I believe science ( like all good things ) is a God inspired tool that man had come to corrupt and hate. ( mostly through closed minded individuals who fear what they don't understand. ) For me, science is the greatest proof of God. The very theory concerning random order; points to a creator.
pastorSGoode 3 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode Do you understand that evolution actually happened? We all have a common ancestor, and that your (roughly) 150 billionth grandfather was a fish?
I agree with what you said to a certain extent, there are christian scientists. Many scientists (Depending on the area they work in) have come to terms that their beliefs are being challenged. I imagine that as you are a believer in science - talking snakes, a pregnant virgin, Adam and eve, young earth, is absolute garbage?
Metlamaniac 3 weeks ago
@Metlamaniac You mis-understand me. If a scientist is a Christian or not; I find to be a meaningless point. I stated; having faith, doesn't mean we reject science. As for volution; I do believe in it. We just disagree in the process. You believe we come from fish, apes, and gorillas; yet close your mind to satan talking through a snake, a vigin having a child and so on. How can your mind be so open and still so closed? Fish, apes, gorillas, still exist; making your whole theory garbage.
pastorSGoode 3 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode What process do you think happened in evolution? I must point out a talking snake is completely supernatural. You genuinely believe that happened? How you can compare those two things is beyond me. One has complete and utter overwhelming evidence, and the other has absolutely zero. They are miles apart. That is why I close my mind to those things. Evolution has an immense amount of evidence. Even if there were no fossils, the evidence is still overwhelming.
Metlamaniac 3 weeks ago
@Metlamaniac Tell me; what began evolution and what stoped it. If mankind evolved from these creatures while these very same creatures remain true to it's form, as does man, then your theory is whithout foundation. Atheist have thi one thing in common; you all speak of facts that come from opinions. Science has prooved itself not to be exact. I can't believe that the logical conclussion of evolution still escapes you. The difference between us is this...
pastorSGoode 3 weeks ago
@Metlamaniac ... I can disagree with you while still respecting and understanding your arrival to what you believe. You say do research; you make yourself a fool when you say such things to me. You speak of faith, religion, Christians, and the like as if they are one in the same. This is true ignorance. You talk of fossils and absolute proof when ther is no such thing. You can't understan how I can your faith in evolution to my faith in satan speaking through a snake? I thought you were smarter.
pastorSGoode 3 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode I say "do research" because u r actually getting the facts wrong. If I quote something wrong from the bible then u can tell me to do research, and I will. If I get different information from the bible to you, then you could tell me to do research but I might say "we both have different views on that matter" But your claim that fish existance in 2012 can disproove evolution is absolutely wrong, there is no other thing to say about it. It's not just my opinion, it's actually wrong.
Metlamaniac 3 weeks ago
@Metlamaniac Here is where we come to a wall. When an atheist ask; give me evidence/proove to me that God is real, and we say; just know that He is, it is never enough for you. Now you say my beliefe or lack of beliefe in your understanding of evolution is just wrong. Now I say for you to say that, is not enough. Show me how it is wrong. I am open to be taught.... You say, if you quote something wrong from the bible to let you know and you'll do the research,,,,
pastorSGoode 3 weeks ago
@Metlamaniac I gave you Hebrews Chapter 11 to read as research of what Christians consider to be faith. Have you atleast done this small thing for better Clarity? This will tell you what faith is and then give examples that you may come to a greater understanding. I have spoken with atheist, satanist, Catholics, Christians, Muslims, and others of different beliefe/faith and walked away with a greater understanding of what theu believe and why. It's about hearing and not just being heard.
pastorSGoode 3 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode It would make a lot more sense to me if you actually believed in evolution but still believed in god. There are many that do. But you are obviously entitled to do what you want, i just hope you don't teach what you preach about evolution.
Metlamaniac 3 weeks ago
@Metlamaniac You are understanding what you want to understand. I do believe in evolution. You can't proove any of the things you're saying about evolution. What I teach is beyond your understanding. You have limited yourself to a shadow of who you are created to be. How can you consider breeding and transformation as the same thing? The question remains. If we were these things, how can the things we were, still be?
pastorSGoode 3 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode I don't think we are getting anywhere with this conversation so we should probably end it soon. We did not evolve from the fish and monkeys and apes that you see today. Us and the monkeys, chimpanzees evolved from the same common ancestor many years ago. Scientists have actually evolved animals into other species of animal in the lab during our lifetime!!!!! It's actual fact!! We should end this. Carry on denying reality. "can a man and woman have puppies?" hahahaha. Bye.
Metlamaniac 3 weeks ago
@Metlamaniac I disagree. Although we may never agree, a valid point has been made. You claim Christians state things as facts without telling you what makes them facts, yet; when given several chances to give facts to validate what you believe, you walked away from the opportunity to do so. This makes you hypocrite at best. What scientist do to animals today, have no relivance to what happened billions of years ago. You should know that. Still; be well and in good health.
pastorSGoode 3 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode . I would like to try to explain evolution to you but Im now not sure you will get it in 500 letters. Im not being funny, but u really don't have a grasp of it. Peer reviewed scientific papers are actually out there for you to read. Even wikipedia can explain details that I would normally go on to say! We are still evolving now, evolution hasn't stopped. Why on earth would it not have relevance? U think the laws of the universe have somehow changed in a few hundred thousand years?
Metlamaniac 3 weeks ago
@Metlamaniac Here isthe greatest weakness of most atheist; You constantly over estimate yourself while under estimating others. At age 12/13, I've read several pschology books and studied the evolution with great detail. You see; I needed proof that there was such a thing as God. You say science has been tested and predicted? You know scientist are in disagrement concerning that very statement. Don't speak these things as facts when you know they're not. Yes; I agree that we are still evolving..
pastorSGoode 3 weeks ago
@Metlamaniac If you understood faith, you'll understand that to believe in a theory of things that too place billions of years ago is faith. You say we came from fish, wher's the proof. You say what they do in labs today effect what happened to animals billions of year ago? Your learning and studies are incomplete with a onesided perspective. If you took time to study the bible, you see that everything that it said will happen did and still is...
pastorSGoode 3 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode I never said what they do in labs effected what happened years ago, thats a lie. Scientists disagree with one another, but it doesn't become a theory until an idea has been tested, prooved, able to predict. Then all credible scientists agree. If someone had a piece of evidence that contradicted evolution, scientists would love to know about it! They would because that would be break through science in itself! If u understand we are still evolving, why did u ask how it stopped?
Metlamaniac 3 weeks ago
@Metlamaniac Are these not your words ( scientist have evolved animals today to be something else ) as an arguement to proove your point in evolution. So what I said wasn't a lie. When I said; why did it stop, I was speaking on mankind's natural process into becoming who we are. The evidence that derails evolution is the common frog. Has it's natural order of life ever changed ?
pastorSGoode 3 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode I mean this seriously by the way, keep bringing up your issues with evolution, like you did with 'frogs' and I will hopefully show you the answers to your concerns. If you won't believe the evidence that is provided for it, then that is your problem. Any other thing that you have against evolution?, tell me...and lets see if there is a scientific real, peer reviewed explanation for it.
Metlamaniac 3 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode If you REALLY want to understand the things most scientists agree on then go to this website. world wide web talkorigins. org
There is a section if you click 'browse' that is called 'evidence for evolution' No mumbo jumbo, just facts as we understand them today. No faith, everything tried, tested, predicted. Just remember scientists love to proove eachother wrong. Thats what makes science so great. Cowabunga, it's been good talking.
Metlamaniac 3 weeks ago
@Metlamaniac Your understanding of evolution is weak. You talk about God and spiritual thing as if you really studied them. I've seen things that you only seen in a movie. You Quote your text book phrase on how to debate a Christian and have come to see the era in doing so. Did you ever ask yourself; why is hard for me just to read the bible for myself? What force is holding me back? You hate God and everything connected to Him. This why you take great effort to ridicule Him and His believers..
pastorSGoode 3 weeks ago
@Metlamaniac You are as satan; seeking to destroy everything that loves God. If this is not so, why not make videos about santa claus, the easter bunny, and so on? You hold them in th same regard. This is why; when I asked you can I pray for God to reveal Himself in you, you felt a jolt of fear in you; and why you can't bring youself to read Hebrews chapter 11. You are controled by demons.
pastorSGoode 3 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode and hang on a minute. Your last sentance means you completely don't understand what evolution is. You honestly think that because there are still fish and monkeys, that disprooves evolution? You think if you sat infront of a load of evolutionary scientists and made that point, they would all go "oh yes, never thought of that" ? Honestly.....do some research before you start spreading that kind of ignorant statement.
Metlamaniac 3 weeks ago
@Metlamaniac If I quote the bible it is meaningless; because you reject it as truth. This when God and only God can proove Himself to you. If we don't come to this understanding, we will become enemies to one another. I hear your reasons for not believing and I can understand you not believing. But, I tell you this; you rob yourself of a greater revelation of a reality that this reality is birthed from. It is not my desire to make you a headless robot. I have stood in a place where you now stand
pastorSGoode 3 weeks ago
@Metlamaniac A person said to me; If you truely want to know if God is real, go home and ask God to reveal Himself to you. The proof I have floods my very being. This is something that I can never get you to understand. You are not my enemy; because I have none. The love I have for you and all of mankind, is a manifestation of God's great love and mercy. Truth is a very demanding thing. You must want it. When you get it, can you then turn from what you believed your whole life?
pastorSGoode 3 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode That's some strong drivel you're posting there, what are you smoking?
wardzer 3 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode I chatter and make noise of vanity? Is not everything you wrote exactly what a Muslim would tell me? Think about "prove he's not real". What could that conceivably even mean to you, how could anyone even go about doing that, if your response would be along the lines of, "No, but my god is allowed to be illogical". And yes it is easy to say "prove god is real", because that applies to everything else you believe about reality. But then, "god" is a special case, right?
58jf59 3 weeks ago
@58jf59 Doesn't this takes us back to what I said about Christians never trying to proove God is real? Understand this if nothing else; God is not illogical, man is. Your greates and ( in my opinion ) only defense is to say; proove to me that God is real. I'm saying to you, proove that He's not. Where are your facts to back up the opinion that you call facts? Chatter=speaking of things you don't understand/vanity=believing that you are superior to anyone who disagrees with you.
pastorSGoode 3 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode "Man is illogical" What on earth does that mean? Man defies logic? Man is impossible? Yes chatter, you don't understand god do you? My beliefs are superior to yours in that I require reason to believe something. You say you speak the truth, but don't support it. If you don't support it, then I've no reason to believe it. That's called burden of proof. Read about it. You are positing a claim, not me. God not existing is the default position.
58jf59 2 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode If you don't understand that, I've nothing further to say to you, because I can't learn anything from you, and you sure as hell can't learn anything from me.
58jf59 2 weeks ago
@58jf59 You're right you speak like a savage. You thpught you were a Christian. If you understood anything about God and mankind, you'll know why I called man illogical. Your like a prehistoric fool. " my belief is superior to yours. " What an imbecile. You can't " PROOVE " what you're saying so; with idiocy you say ' PROOVE " that God is real. What can a closed archaic mind like yours offer anyone. Who claimed why you stoped believing?
pastorSGoode 2 weeks ago
@58jf59 The moment you responded towhatever I posted, burden of became yours. Are you that asinine that you can't understand that. What kind of fool are you to tell another person what they think. Finally; who asked you to teach anything. All you do is say; this is this and that is that; but when asked to give sound reason for your life belief, you rant and rave like a circus monkey. Man smoking, drinking, using drugs, and killing eachother for profit this is logical? DUMMY!!!
pastorSGoode 2 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode Are you seriously throwing insults like DUMMY over the internet? Is that because I've hit a raw nerve, and you're getting uncomfortable?
No. Look up burden of proof. There's a box of unknown size that you look at or measure in any way. I say there's a gold bar in it. I know this because I have faith. You ask me how I know there is, I say you can't prove there isn't so that's proof there is. That's why we have burden of proof.
58jf59 2 weeks ago
@58jf59 I treated you with respect and honor and you returned my actions with insults and disrespect. as a result, responded in a manner that you seem to desire. I never told you that the bible teaches us not to smoke or drink. Do you actually think every thought I have, must come from the bible. If you didn't see the word pastor, we could have the same conversation without a wall of deffensive aggressioin....
pastorSGoode 2 weeks ago
@58jf59 ... I would never ask you or any other atheist to look un the bible for proof; because I understand you consider it to be a fairytale at best. Believe it or not, Atheist, Muslims, and Catholics and so on,, tried to rescue me from Christianity for one reason or another. The truth is, although I didn't agree with them ( nor them with me ) I walked away respecting them; because they were really believe they wer helping me....
pastorSGoode 2 weeks ago
@58jf59 Christians who understand what they are called to do, should do the same. ( give information ) The person has a God given right to choose and must never force or faith down the throat of anyone. As for hell; you'll find that I never made any mention of it or who's going. Christians who tell anyone that they're going to hell is in danger of going to hell. It's a horrible and painful thing to say. If I said you were going to hell, I claim to prophesy. 7yrs from now you may get saved..
pastorSGoode 2 weeks ago
@58jf59 ... Now that would mean that I gave a false prophecy. This a very evil act. God warns us never to do such an evil thing. Every response should be, this is what the bible say concerning the matter. Even then that's a hard thing to say to anyone. If you seen Joel Olsteen on Oprah last night. you would have seen how hard it was for him to say what the bible said concerning the question she asked....
pastorSGoode 2 weeks ago
@58jf59 The problem with the proof you ask for me to give you, is next to impossible for you to see as proof. Your mind is completely and perfectly based on logic. I fully understand that and have nothing bad to say concerning it. God can never be proven by anyone. The Gold example you gave is not really a good one; because your talking about a tangible item. My proof/evidence comes from the very core of my being. This comes to those who really want truth...
pastorSGoode 2 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode ... No Pastor, Bishop, or Minister, cvan give that to you. All you need to do is want the truth no matter where it takers you. Go yo place where you're alone and be honest. Tell God that you don't believe that He's real ( like i did ) Tell Him, if you're real, then prove youself to me. ( like I did )
pastorSGoode 2 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode It is dishonest and unreliable to allow your emotions about wanting god to exist dictate what you believe about your existence. Do you not see the contradiction that that is exactly what a muslim would tell me, and how they would go about proving Allah exists? Or maybe that doesn't matter to you, if so I say that is lazy and dishonest of you, because you use these means to prove your god exists, but ignore the obvious contradiction it creates.
58jf59 2 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode I don't understand what "tell god that you don't believe that he's real" means. Then I wouldn't believe he wasn't real which would make that a lie.
58jf59 2 weeks ago
@58jf59 Forgive me. aren't you an atheist ?
pastorSGoode 2 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode Yes I am an atheist. "Tell god you don't believe he exists." Think about that sentence. And yeah, using logic!
58jf59 2 weeks ago
@58jf59 Are you and your other atheist clan that fearful of getting the proof you asked for? You're telling God to prove Himself real to you. If you are true to your words, and you just want proof, what is there to fear. No one would know, see, or hear. If it was a waste of time, Now you will the proof that He doesn't. I think the three of you are in fear. You fear knowing that everything you stood for was a lie.
pastorSGoode 2 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode The great thing is that being an atheist, there is nothing to fear. You very much more than likely only live once, so go and do some good and have a darn good time doing it before your heart stops and your brain dies along with your mind. In a way you should also be in fear of all the gods you reject. Just imagine what they are gonna do to you!!!!
Metlamaniac 2 weeks ago
Unless you mean to try and test god?
58jf59 2 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode You really think that if people prayed for god to show them he is real that would happen? It's quite sickening that you still think that really. What about that girl that was recently found to have been locked up, raped, tortured by her father....praying everynight for god to help her. 20 odd years. 20 ODD YEARS of it...praying......but,nothing, absolutly nothing. What exactly happened there?
Metlamaniac 2 weeks ago
@Metlamaniac Sorry to butt in, there's no point putting those problems to a christian you'll just get the "god is mysterious" answer. Another NO ENTRY sign for reason.
58jf59 2 weeks ago
@Metlamaniac You're forcing me to give an answer that I know you're not going to like. Here goes, I heard about that young lady and I can't honestly give you an answer that would be good enogh for me; let alone you. I can only tell you what worked for me. I can only tell you that I've seen tumors vanish, lumps in breast vanish, the cripple walk, and the blind see. Still I've seen prayer that yielded no fruit...
pastorSGoode 2 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode Yeah I've seen medical science at work too.
So when a bad thing clears up then that's evidence of god, but when a bad thing doesn't then that's not evidence against god. No, you can't have your cake and eat it. This is where the word 'falsifiable' comes in.
58jf59 2 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode Have you seen god restore amputated limbs? I have a feeling I can answer that for you. So.....why doesn't he do it? Faith healing is the biggest crock of shit I have ever heard about. Bastards taking money from susceptible people. It's a bloody crime. Awful.
Metlamaniac 2 weeks ago
@Metlamaniac Who said anything about going to the hospital? It's bloody crine that your whole attitude changed the moment your clan feared you being awakened to the truth that you mentally controlled not to believe.
pastorSGoode 2 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode I guess I can throw the same thing back at you, who did say anything about a hospital?? Wasn't me.....
Metlamaniac 2 weeks ago
@Metlamaniac I am one of countless people who have been healed, raised from the dead, made to walk, made to see and much, much, more. Doctors said there was nothing else they coul do medically. Because of what God did, the Doctor ( an atheist ) turned from a non-believer to a believer. You sound like fools trying to catch the wind with your hands. Idiots! Knowing nothing, understanding nothing. I am the proof that God is God! Fools becoming bigger fools with every word. an insult to humanity
pastorSGoode 2 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode Im an idiot now?....interesting, thank you. You have been raised from the dead? HAHAHAHA
Metlamaniac 2 weeks ago
@Metlamaniac This really confirms you level and strength of atheist. Do really think That I don't have medical proof and forms of x-rays, files, personal notes from nurses, doctors, and people to confirm what I'm saying is true. You talk about proof. You have shown yourself to be a liar who chooses to live in a willful state of ignorance while pulling others into a pit of blind fools. Did you really think that the day wouldn't come that God would prove you to be scared fraud.
pastorSGoode 2 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode Please name me a lie I have told? Ok so, this now gets interesting. You have actual proof that god intervened in some way to make you healtheir? Oh please say yes. This means you have shattered science to the core in one swoop. Do you understand me? You can take that to the science labs, TV, newspapers and earn millions. Do you understand that? DO YOU? And congratulations on being the first person in the world to have evidence for god. Why didn't you say this before!!!
Metlamaniac 2 weeks ago
@Metlamaniac You're prooving yourself a bigger idiot withevery calculated teaching on how to debate a believer. Go in the labs and show me proof that God didn't heal me. I have proof that I was dead for close to 13 minutes and the actual time the atheist doctor sai call it. I have proof that I was blind, I have proof that I was paralysed, I have proof that I was in a coma, I have proof that my brain had swollen and stretched my skull apart,,,
pastorSGoode 2 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode HAHAHAHA
Metlamaniac 2 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode I don't care that you have proof you were blind, you have proof you were dead for 13 minutes, you have proof you were paralysed and that your brain had swollen to the size of an ant. The fact is, is that you don't have proof that god did this. And OH MY GOD THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS WITH YOU!!!! Fuck me you are the worst person and illogical person to talk with.
Metlamaniac 2 weeks ago
@Metlamaniac If I submit proof the moment you that's not proof then you need to say that's not proof because this or that. Are you that lost that you think you can say; that's not good enough without giving reason that all the proof I said isn"t good enough. Do you actually think that by you saying show me God in tube, in a lab I f I pulled God out a closet, you'll say; duhhh, how do I know that's God; and uhhh, why is He in the closet.
pastorSGoode 2 weeks ago
@Metlamaniac Enough is enough. I gave mountains of evidence to prove that God is real. Now give me a tenth of that to prove that there is no God. Just like a typical atheist. You demand facts but always fall back on; what I think happened... That'the stength of your reasoning for believing; what you think. No facts. No proof. Just a guess shot in the dark. It was my mistake; I believed you better.
pastorSGoode 2 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode Ive come to the conclusion that I think you are mentally retarded
Metlamaniac 2 weeks ago
There's your proof for the swelling of the brain and being dead for 13 minutes. Poor man.
58jf59 2 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode You just WILL NOT make any effort to understand what burden of proof means, and then blame that on atheists! YOU are making the guess shot in the dark, because YOU are asserting something is true, and YOU then state "God can never be proven by anyone." But yet you keep waffling on as if there is some mysterious proof. I'm not asserting anything, other than I have no reason to accept your CLAIM. When someone starts prying open your fallacies, you get angry with them.
58jf59 2 weeks ago
@58jf59 I only respond because I believe true in your questions are without harmful purpose. You bring up the word dummy without owning up to the insults and profanity used against me. This is the root of the cause that keeps us from hearing each other. I have known atheist all of my life; and I have never not been able to discuss without a meeting of the minds in the very basic of our understanding.
pastorSGoode 2 weeks ago
@58jf59 Eventhough the atheist have walked away still believing what they believe and for the very same reason you do, mental capacity was never an issue. Liar and words of that nature were never spoken. Every other word you speak is wrapped in an insult. How many times did you call me a liar in that last posting? Here is a simple truth, you have never proved anything I said to be a lie. You keep saying prove, prove. So I give proof. you say that's not good enough..
pastorSGoode 2 weeks ago
@58jf59 There is no proof that ay man on yhis earth can give you that you are even willing to consider. I say God will prove himself, but you can't understand that, because you never really took time to actually learn what I believe or why. You still think I don't understand burden of proof when I have lawyers in my family and read law books befor I ever heard of cat in the hat. Anything I don't understand,,,,
pastorSGoode 2 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode Ask the lawyers in your family why you shouldn't ask the question "Prove god doesn't exist" then. And you're still trapped in thinking that everytime I explain to you what you're saying is fallacious, then that's an insult. Get over yourself. I'll consider reasonable proof. You admitted you don't have any. So stop telling me you have any over and over and over again, that's just more lying on your part. I put it to you you believe what you do only because you want to.
58jf59 2 weeks ago
@58jf59 ,,, I make it a point to understand. I posted that I have family members that are atheist; yet you don't acknowledge that. If you say to a believer, there is no God or give me proof that God is real, a believer can easily say prove that He's not. Since you're unable to do so, burden of proof has been met. After telling why I believe and telling of the evidence I have; as-well-as the atheist who began to believe because of what he saw,,,
pastorSGoode 2 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode There. You do NOT understand burden of proof. You think that because someone can not disprove something, then that's proof that it's true. It doesn't even make it more likely to be true, never mind prove it. Watch this video /watch?v=5wV_REEdvxo
And don't come back to me until you understand what's being said in it.
58jf59 2 weeks ago
@58jf59 Let's agree. Not to be able to prove that there isn't a God; doesn't believe that there is. Then this will also hold true; the proof or lack of proof needed to please you dosen't mean that there isn't a God. How dare I? If you can't understand how your remarks can be offesive to someone who believes, what more can I say? If you take time to read, you'll find that I responded to everything you said. You are frustrated because you over estimated yourself.
pastorSGoode 2 weeks ago
@58jf59 ,,, what does your fellow atheist do? Jumps to faith healers and chaces to make millions. There are no such thing as faith healers. God is the one who heals and cast out demons. Christians are only vessels in which He works through. If anyone calls theirself a faith healer, then he talking about using demon powers. The truth of the matter is this; everything you said about the bible, Christians, and any people is a constant insult. I've proven myself. It's wtitten, God will prove Himself
pastorSGoode 2 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode How dare you accuse me of constantly insulting you. You hypocrite. And you're dodging again, rambling on about your family having atheists and faith healing!!! That has nothing to do with anything I've talked about. I've had enough of wasting my time trying to reason with you. People like you don't even realise the harm you do to christianity. Go read about burden of proof, instead of lying to people that you have, then publicly making a fool of yourself.
58jf59 2 weeks ago
@58jf59 People like me are bad for atheist. I use your own reasoning against you; only to have you say that it makes no sense. I never said I didn't have proof. Do you need to lie in order to make people believe that you actaully won debate. You ran away from every topic that proved you to be a fool. How can the self proclaimed intelligent people on the earth have such a deminished ability to understand simple things? You proved that theory a lie. THANKS!!!
pastorSGoode 2 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode I've realised you are a troll. I won't feed you any more.
58jf59 2 weeks ago
@58jf59 Me too, no-one on earth could be this stupid
Metlamaniac 2 weeks ago
@Metlamaniac One Christian and two feeble atheist. Go back to your how to book, lick your wounds, ( if possible ) think twice before speaking to anyone who won't fall for child like tactics. You have the burden of proof. Really? And you thought that'll work. ha.
pastorSGoode 2 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode I've got to add this, even though it's been said. I was wondering if you would answer me with yes or no, or if you can't, just something short (if Possible) to explain your answer... please? Q :The default position for anyone (even hypothetically a person who is just plonked on to this planet without knowing anything )is to not know anything right?
Metlamaniac 2 weeks ago
@Metlamaniac I'm going to quickly educate you concerning what I believe. ( Important ) Soul = mind, will emotions; read Genesis 2:7 then Genesis 2:19, finally; Genesis 3:2. If this does not answer your question, I will answer with a yes or no, ( Despite how mis-leading that response will be. Cogito, ergo sum-I think, therefore I am.
pastorSGoode 2 weeks ago
@Metlamaniac lol Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go back to atheist training class.
58jf59 2 weeks ago
@58jf59 Ah yes I'll see you there
Metlamaniac 2 weeks ago
@58jf59 You need to go back to training class. Your books and dvds are out dated.
pastorSGoode 2 weeks ago
@58jf59 I ask you to read all that was said between you and I. See what you fault in me, you began. Finally how can an atheist respecet another atheist for his reasoning and then insult him for believing something else. No one preached to him; in fact he wouldn't hear of such a thing. He only believed because he something that made him believe. If you're an atheist, then be a true atheist; not believing and respecting others who do believe.
pastorSGoode 2 weeks ago
@Metlamaniac ,,, now you have proof. But listen to youself. trying to find away to discredit what I'm saying. Congratulations for being the very first atheist I've ever talked to that showed a level far below any level of stupid I've ever seen. Stay in your cave feeble minds and false reality. Because of you, I am for the first time in my life, loosing respect for atheist. You did what no other atheist could do.
pastorSGoode 2 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode You honestly think I am being silly by asking for proof that god made you better? What I think has happened is that you may have been ill/blind/disabled, whatever....and you may have proof of that which is fine. But you have zero proof that god made you better. How is that me being silly? That is fact isn't it? I don't doubt that you believe it, but that isn't proof I'm affraid. "now i have proof"...??? .are you on drugs?
Metlamaniac 2 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode You discredit yourself. You just told me "God can never be proven by anyone."
And calling someone a DUMMY, an imbecile, and stupid during throwing your toys out of the pram in a tantrum for challenging you, and telling blatant LIES (see above) to trick people is JUST what jesus would want you to do. Yet you have the audacity to accuse an atheist of causing you to lose respect for him!
58jf59 2 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode Please also understand this. If any faith healer could heal people using faith they could be multimillionaires, or even richer than they already are. All they would need to do is prove it and go through some testing. It would be in the guiness book of records, it would be groundbreaking. Yet.......nothing. Literally not a shred is in any peer reviewed science papers, not a shred of it proven apart from it just being believed by a minority. Why is that?
Metlamaniac 2 weeks ago
@Metlamaniac Your one tracked mind have you stuck on megga churches and millions of dollars. There were no Benny, Crespo, T.D. Jakes, or Joel Olsteen. If you dared to do real research, you'll find many legal documents of limbs being restored, dead raised back to life; observed by, and then generated by atheist who were there do disprove God. You are in the minority. billions seen and believe. Stop stating things that contradicts facts. Even your favorite atheist author proclaimed this true.
pastorSGoode 2 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode I was talking about people who believe in faith healers are in the minority. Well....certainly in England they are. Those people you mentioned, please show me their 'legal documents'. By the way any atheist who tried to disprove god, probably was an idiot. As most atheists know....that's impossible. Just like proving monsters don't exist. Impossible. So anyway, show me these documents.
Metlamaniac 2 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode how do you know it was god and not the fairy healer??
GreenFirefly3 2 weeks ago
@Metlamaniac Plus, she may well have gone to heaven which is infinite, so any suffering on earth is infinitesimal by comparison. You're right, this thought train is disturbing. I refuse to allow people to spread these harmful myths. Their beliefs inform their actions.
58jf59 2 weeks ago
@Metlamaniac I know this isn't good enough for you. Sometime I don't know or understand why God answers some and not others. It's hard ( at times ) to preach or teach when I see this. I believe God is on the throne and have to remember the ones that were healed, delivered, and made whole.
pastorSGoode 2 weeks ago
@Metlamaniac You're not praying, you're speaking. I understand, all your lies of needing proof were just that. ( lies )
pastorSGoode 2 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode It is a good one to describe anything that either exists or doesn't. Yes, logic is all there is. If you're one of these people who thinks that there is truth outside of logic, then I say to you you simply do not understand the definition of the word. You state god cannot be proven to anyone. You then say your proof comes from the very core of your being. This is nonsense, and exactly what I would expect as the result of someone confused?
58jf59 2 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode I don't need a bible to figure out the potential problems with smoking, drinking, using drugs and killing for profit. I'm seriously concerned about anyone who thinks they do.
I think I owe it to someone who I see is mistaken to correct them. Especially when they think I deserve to be tortured eternally for not believing a claim they can't demonstrate is true.
Also, prove Allah does not exist. You can't? See, that's proof he does.
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58jf59 2 weeks ago
@58jf59 You speak as if you understand what I believe about reality when you don't. You are unable to see individuals in a faith without binding them all together. You shine the light on those who corrupt their faith without holding them as indivduals who break the hearts of the others in that same faith. You never took time to know that religion and Christian living are two different things. I don't know what a Muslim would say. I say what all atheist have ever said; proove. You can't.
pastorSGoode 3 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode I'm not going over the whole "proove god isn't real thing again" As I said, you can't proove that the flying spagetti monster doesn't exist so you point is stupid. Yes, scientists have evolved animals into different species today in the labs. But what I did not say was that is somehow effects what has happened in the past, which is what you clearly think I said. Frogs, ok. View this link : world wide web.dinosaurs.about.com/od/otherprehistoriclife/a/prehistoric-amphibians.htm
Metlamaniac 3 weeks ago
@Metlamaniac Once again, ( and what I now see you can't understand ) you actually believe that if you say scientist say this or that, acutally has value to someone who believes that there is no; without a doubt, or shadow of proof to validate what you claim. It is the same thing as me telling you to read the bible for all the proof you need, or read a book written by Smith Wigglesworth, Watchme Nee. You know for every scientist that say one thing, there's another who say different...
pastorSGoode 3 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode I have a another question too. How old do you believe the earth to be?
Metlamaniac 3 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode or age of the universe?
Metlamaniac 3 weeks ago
@Metlamaniac ... The bible speaks of demons taking on human form and causing women to have children that grew to be giants. We call them Nephilim. The remains/evidence of this have been discovered. There are some scientist who believe that decendants of this race still exist today. Which scientist do you agree with; the ones who say this is proof of that bible myth is now prooven true; or the ones that say this finding prooves nothing?
pastorSGoode 3 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode Do you think a bunch of atheist can ever proove to me that God is not real or that demons don't exist. The truth of the matter is this, I really don't fault you for not believing; just for being dismissive without really understanding what you don't understand. Here's a news flash; Christians who really studied the bible always knew the earth was much older than what scientist 1st believed...
pastorSGoode 3 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode I must confess to you this fact, if I haven't seen the things I've seen. I'm not sure I'd believe. I was like Thomas; I needed to see to believe. I am not moved by fancy $10 words or by because I say so responses. There are some things that science just can't explain. You see, the word evidence is different for you and me. You believe that this is the only reality where as I know this is just a carbon copy of a graeter reality.
pastorSGoode 3 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode Well that's fair enough. I don't have a problem with people being religious. The problem I have is when people teach falsehoods. Or when people will kill others because of what they believe god wants them to. Or when people decide to thank god instead of themselves for acheivements they have made themselves. Or when if people can't understand something, they then decide to say "god did it" as an answer. Or when amazing things happen, "goddidit" It's so wrong.
Metlamaniac 3 weeks ago
@pastorSGoode And you are right, science has never claimed to know everything....obviously. It is constantly attempting to try things out. When new information comes in, everything in the science world changes. As I have said before religion does not do this, and is stuck in the dark ages. Or....is cherry picked to find the good things the bible sais.
Metlamaniac 3 weeks ago
@Metlamaniac A believer is the one who say " You have the right to believe in whatever you choose to, I respect and honor you to live the life/lifestyle of your choosing, and that God love everyone; including those who reject Him. I am a believer. The religious peopl are the ones who say; your going to hell because and I'm going to help God out by killing those who reject Him. These concepts are in conflict with the teachings in the bible. The believer understand dispensation...
pastorSGoode 3 weeks ago