Hamza Tzortzis at Speaker's Corner Hyde Park

[bigdave5901]

@saif420 Ok so if we take the theory; I can understand (even if i don't fully agree with it) that there is an argument that there is the requirement for something to create the universe because it began to exist (based on most theories). However to make the jump from saying the requirement of this creation mechanism to saying it is a God is a disappointing end to a relatively well thought out argument.

[Hemmersfield1]

we dont put on caps to think, we use our brains!

[ImFingAwesome]

This dude is taqya man from hell. I've seen him humiliated in vid after vid.

[owazio]

Mashallah, keep the good work up!

[13dachronic]

hasn't anybody noticed that there are many atheists on YouTube? Damn I mean these guys troll every video about god, atheism and theism. These materialist truly have no lives.

[notionSlave]

Rock those pathetic athiests!! Keep up the excellent Dawah.

[SonnyLondon1]

Impeccable point of View

[arabie2006]

Argument from ignorance. "We don't understand, so therefore God did it".

[bigdave5901]

@bayreuth79 it's a fair point, I didn't notice the subtle difference. However there is a point in the argument where he jumps from saying that the cause must not have a cause, which is a valid hypothesis, to saying that therefore God has to exist, instead of saying quite humbly that we don't know. It just seems like he is creating a conclusion then trying to find evidence to make it, instead of seeing evidence and creating a theory on it.

[bigdave5901]

The basis of this argument is that everything needs a creator. The universe is something and therefore, according to this theory, needs a creator in order to exist. I could use the fairly basic logic used in this argument to therefore say therefore God doesn't exist as he does not have a creator. However this would undermine the fact that not everything needs a creator. The point I'm trying to relay is that if we are saying that God does not require a creator, why does the universe?

[bayreuth79]

@bigdave5901 No, I'm afraid you have misunderstood the argument. You have failed to understood one of the premises in the argument. Tzortzis did not say everything that exists has a cause but everything that BEGINS to exist has a cause. Now, there is good scientific and philosophical reasons to suppose that the universe did begin to exist, whereas theists believe that God is a necessary being (i.e., one that has always existed). There has to be something whose non-existence is impossible.

[saif420]

@bigdave5901 becoz god didnt have a beginning pal :-). He is saying that everything that BEGINS to exist has a creator!!

[turbochimps]

@HamzaAndreasTzortzis "it is true that the profits are more beneficial to me than the prophet"... "the jews and do we really need them" WOW, true colour, hey??

[missionofsubmission]

@turbochimps lol that guy is a fake trying to play like he is hamza andrea

too bad evil and lies are easy to catch and are bound to perish

i cant believe atheist would stoop so low that they would pretend to be someone else just to defame someone and ruin his character

it just goes to show that they arent bound by any morals or virtues

[alan5986]

Nothing like some re-hashed Aristotle on a windy autumn day...

[CorporalNym]

@HamzaAndreasTzortzis Famine is god's will. Its a test. Like haemorrhoids or an ugly hairy wife. Allah tests us in mysterious ways which we have to struggle to understand. Personally I wish he left haemorrhoids out of the test. You've no idea how blood and shit upset me. How can this be God's will? I hate him, but I love him too and I want to go to Jannah where haemorrhoids only hurt and not bleed. I'd rather have not been born than suffer this test. Allahumdiddlydoodahday haemorrhoids prove god

[Knr911]

@CorporalNym You didn't understand! Your Haemorroids BEGAN to exist, unlike the universe, therefore it concludes logically and inescpably that Allah created the Haemorroids of your ass. He also left a winky face to Muhammad:

"You tell people: I never began to exist, therefore I exist" ;)

"In exchange I'll heal you from your Haemorroids and give you a white horse. Deal?"

That's why I believe in Him. However it's obvious that William Lane Craig and Haemorroids don't exist.

[CorporalNym]

@Knr911 Lies! Hamza told me personally before I converted that it was better to follow the Quranic teaching that it was better to wash than to wipe. Unfortunately having spent 38 year wiping rather than washing before I converted I had already developed haemorrhoids. My Haemorrhoids were a result of being a Kuffr and not part of gods plan until I became a believer - then it became part of his plan and therefore I began to be tested. Is there blood AND shit in Jannah?

[Knr911]

@CorporalNym Wow - So Haemorroids are Allah's way of punishing the kuffr? Clever. But then what about these people from the great city of Gomorrha who learned to fortify their anal muscles thanks to a daily, albeit infidel, rectal exercise? Does Quranic embryology ever mention that ALL vertebrates grow and develop themselves from the anus first?

[mush101]

@Knr911 Actually there is a sound hadith that says that on the day of judgment Allah will resurrect us from out tail bones and pretty much repeat creation of man from there. Tail bone is pretty close to the anus if you ask me.

[Knr911]

@mush101 The anus is developped first because its function is necessary for the formation and sustainability of the specimen. In the case of humans the tail bone comes way way after. Besides all chordae do not have a tail bone.

LOL you do not seriously believe the Koran is a science manual?

[CorporalNym]

@Knr911 Ps I know for a fact William Lane Craig suffers form this 'divine intervention' You can tell by the way he sits down...carefully

[CorporalNym]

@Knr911 White Horse? Sod that! I want white camel.

Hey MAAN ...I can't get my head around that "You tell people: I never began to exist, therefore I exist" thing. IS there any existential retrospective radioactive lexical analysis on that far out statement...in Arabic? Nutfah MAAN Nutfah... and like...Thumma.

DO you know there really is something in the haemarroid thing looking leechlike. THis could be another Quranic miracle!

[CorporalNym]

@HamzaAndreasTzortzis No! Pince Philip must wear the Burka he is an ugly old git - inside and out. Unlike our prophet who is only ugly inside.

[CorporalNym]

@HamzaAndreasTzortzis How dare he say the Ayatollah was insane? If you say the grand Ayatollah, who loved little girls to the bottom of his... well we'll leave that for now...was Insane then you can say that Mohammed was insane 'cause he liked little girls too. Allah be praised. I prayed to Allah to wallpaper my bedsit and he did. Allah be paste.

[CorporalNym]

@HamzaAndreasTzortzis Dear Hamza I have always had difficulties forming relationships with living things. Am I allowed to perform the thighing ritual on dead things?

Yours faithfully Gummo Andreas Tzortsis- The less famous brother who never appeared in 'Night at The Opera.'

Aged 62

[CorporalNym]

@HamzaAndreasTzortzis I was unable to read the Quran because I found it dull repetitive and full of threats of violence from a merciful god, who loves me,if I didn't love him back.So I was forced to do a lexical analysis of the text which said it would burn my ass if I didn't believe and I came to the scientific conclusion within the paradigm of classical Arabic wherein the same word means many things that its bollocks and that you Hamza are a fat career convert whom Allah buys burgers for

[CorporalNym]

International public wanker and career convert

[Y3M37H]

@HamzaAndreasTzortzis maybe you are the real Hamza. you are as annoying as him, that's for sure. How does it feel like being an international speaker, yet without any proper Islamic education credentials?

[Y3M37H]

@HamzaAndreasTzortzis What gave you away is your "Allah be praised" act. No muslim would say it like that. Try harder to troll. Also, no muslim would even accept "Mufakhatha" because it is unislamic and fabricated by the insane Ayatollah.

[Y3M37H]

@HamzaAndreasTzortzis how sad and obsessed must you be to go around impersonating another person on youtube. I feel sorry for you, you sociopath.

[azrausa]

I she Sunni muslim ?

[finchy633]

Oh my dear God. The first few seconds of this, with the Kalam argument, made me pause, write this comment and switch off. You must have heard the counter arguments to your position. I can only ascertain that you are incapable of grasping basic philosophy and science, or you are a hack.

[YourDogIsDeadHAHA]

Wow, nobody has ever made this argument before. What we needed was for some random guy to babble in a public park. Holy shit, call the Smithsonian! Call the Nobel Prize people!  Some guy just proved the existence of God! Oh, wait, it's just another nitwit. False alarm.

[daboundy]

So God exists because the Qu'ran tells us that God exists? I'm intrigued how Tzortzis can be described as 'intellectual' when he grounds his arguments upon religious foundations. And I point out his 'logic' was based upon an assumption that the creation force must somehow exist outside time and space.. why? I would suggest that a singular quantum event is more likely than an all powerful being existing outside time and space.

[ingham1302]

Haha, watching all the Hamza the muslim videos, he's thick as shit!

[GhostofNr9]

It's a restless, hungry feeling. It won't do nobobdy no good. And everything I'm saying, you could say it just as good, cause you're right from your side, but I'm right from mine, we're just one too many mornings and a thousand miles behind.

Read Nathan the Wise man and learn something about tolerance and foremost learn something about being humble. As Dr. John said there's nothing wrong about religion but man. We better learn to live together, no matter what we believe or don't.

[MrMuhamar]

Wonder if a muslim country would allow such public speaking on a non muslim religion?

[Y3M37H]

@MrMuhamar Well there's no way to find out because a "Muslim Country" still doesn't exist in the world today.

[lalamusa1]

@MrMuhamar Wonder if as a british citizen, I would be allowed to stand in front of the town hall and insult the queen elizebeth?. If your answer is NO, then you have the same answer. If your answer is, if you dont like the queen get out, then you also have the same answer. But 100% sure the answer is not yes. Defying gods laws and the truth which is Islam is an insult to God who is incomparable to creation, let alone evil elizebeth.

[hanestie1]

I just love this guy. his self confidence is oozing, certainly because of the strong knowledge that he possesses in the true religion. May Allah bless him and reward him paradise in this life and in the hereafter.

[IRISHINFIDEL]

@hanestie1 funny how he has recently being humbled and exposed as a liar in regards to embryology in the quran,he is now gone into hiding,his allah certainly has not protected him from public ridicule and his allah could no longer cover up his falsehoods that were proved to be such

[hanestie1]

@IRISHINFIDEL no muslim has ever lost in a debate esp. if the holy Qur'an is his main reference. I've already watched his debate with PZ Myers, all that PZ Myers maintained is that Qur'an doesn't provide a detailed explanation on embryology. True indeed, Qur'an simply explains embryology in a concise, concrete but substantial presentation that surely fits the mentality of men before.

[hanestie1]

@IRISHINFIDEL if Allah presented the embryology in a detailed complicated manner of explanation as we have in modern science these days, dya think people at prophet's time would understand all of it? surely no, they would think that he was insane. Nevertheless, the embryology concept in holy Qur'an never failed to amaze several scientist as to how accurate a description of any scientific facts in the qur'an are presented. The embryology is just one of them.

[hanestie1]

@IRISHINFIDEL If you want proof, visit Dr. keith Moore's video on embryology, an award winning anatomist in America. he's just one of the many scientists, who isn't as biased as PZ Myers to acknowledge the credibility of the holy Qur'an. Furthermore, you can't change my opinion on Hamza. He's still the best young public speaker i've ever seen. Those who ridiculed him were just envious of his inherent intelligence, the thing that finally led him to the straight path.

[IRISHINFIDEL]

@hanestie1 keith moore is not an expert on embrology,in fact the latest seventh edition of his book credits the greek Galen with the making the foundations for embryology,the dude in this video hamza the new prophet of islam is gone into hiding,the rationalizer made a video that debunks hamzas claims and he is right now the getting a lot of heat and has blocked his channel,if you do not believe me,then i will send you a link

[IRISHINFIDEL]

@hanestie1 please go to the callingtheworldbacks channel(this one) and ask him why the rationalizer is blocked from telling the truth,then ask yourself where is hamza,he is missing,he needs his sleep,he knows islam is false,i hope you too find out the truth,islamists started this arguement with atheists,but they cannot win it,the facts are against the muslim beliefs,islam is all lies,i am agnostic,i would like to believe in a God,but i know religions are all man made

[IRISHINFIDEL]

@hanestie1 hamza himself recently admitted that the quran is not the true source of embryology,plz watch his latest videos,he has made excuses and has dissapeared,no doubt he will return with new relevations that abrogate his earlier convictions,but i think he knows that the battle is over,so do not hold your breath too long,you saudis were conquered by the sword a very long time ago,the west is lucky that we survived the islamic onslaught and preserved our science and human intellect

[hanestie1]

@IRISHINFIDEL I don't wish to prolong this discussion anymore, for this would only end up with both us having to type endlessly in this channel. You couldn't change my opinion as I couldn't change yours. there's just one thing which I'd like to correct, Islam wasn't spread by sword, It was being spread by human intellect and logic.

[hanestie1]

@IRISHINFIDEL as you can see, you people were ignorant of Islam before; yet without having resorted to sword at present time, many people in the west have gained knowledge and reverted to Islam. This is how powerful Allah is. He guides whom he wishes. so make this one as my parting words for you... I' ll include you in my prayer that one day, you got to read the qur'an with open mind and read prophet's Mohd's biography objectively for your own salvation in the hereafter. bye.

[hanestie1]

@IRISHINFIDEL p.s. I'll also pray that Allah give you guidance as well, before it's too late. amen.

[Asemahdi3]

@hanestie1 According to some scholars, there are three levels of faith: Islam (Submitting to Allah), Iman (Faith), and Ihsan (Perfection). The first stage is when a person follows all the pillars of Islam, The second is when he prays sunnah prayers and fasts extra and believing in all the Prophets and their books etc. Ihsan is worshiping Allah as if he can see Him and being aware that Allah sees all of our deeds and acting accordingly. I think Hamza Tzortzis is in the stage of Ihsan.

[hanestie1]

@Asemahdi3 I guess, you're right brother. he's in that stage already wherein muslim born rarely reached, mshaAllah. I wish people are as intelligent and open minded as he is.

[grebssie]

That's Andreas Tzortzis,

[ignatei]

@desiboyh The understanding of ppl in anceient Arabia came from the Genesis stuff which were put into the Quran. Like every other creation story the Genesis says everything began at some point, but that’s no evidence for an expanding universe (like the radiation from the primordial fireball or the hubble experiment). Christians, Hindus, and even the ancient pagan Arabs who worshiped Uzza, Manat and Lat ALL had the same idea. No big deal.

[desiboyh]

@ignatei

ok so what u said works against ur original statement.

[ignatei]

@desiboyh My original statement is that this guy copies exact same wordings of that christian apologist. How does anything that I've said go against that?

[Tourshi]

wow what a bunch of idiots...WLC's Kalam argument (Kalam meaning discourse in arabic) traces its roots in Muslim Philosophy (and in some ways Judeau-Christian)! But ultimately WLC revived the Kalam Cosmological Argument that is being addressed in this video---so whatt?

[desiboyh]

@ignatei

actually no. A lot of Craigs arguments are stolen from muslim philosophers.

[ignatei]

@desiboyh The supposed muslim philosophers (who were actually pretty secular) did some work on what was already laid out by others and ppl came after them so aye. But if you listen to this mofo he is parroting around the exact sentences of WLC. That is to say the way Craig formulated the arguments, he just omits the Jesus Christ bit hahaha.

[desiboyh]

@ignatei

actually no. Muslim philosohers created their arguments out of Islamic theology. WLC parrots the kalam argument and adds in the Jesus Part. Hamza is just talking abt the original kalam argument. Also i can see how weak u r too go for an ad hom instead of talking abt the argument.

[ignatei]

@desiboyh First off as I said this jabroni is repeating the EXACT sentences of that idiot Craig. I wasn't talking about the idea behind the argument. Besides, if you look into the argument's history it goes back before the muzzies came on scene, there were ppl BOTH before and after them who built upon the shit. And there were no big bang theory and the experimental evidence that supports it at the time, so I don't see how WLC could have ripped off this part from those Muslim scholars.

[GreekSnake23]

You're a disgrace to Greeks everywhere. Ντροπή σου.

[tawakkul4success]

Wow! Very inspirational brother Hamza. It takes pure guts to do what you're doing masha Allah, something small people can't understand or appreciate.

Barak Allah ;)

[oldstock1607]

Someone should have walked up to this guy and given him a nice frosty mug of shut-the-fuck-up.

[MegaTomini]

This guy fills me with love for a god, lord shiva with mojo raging.. I think he says on another thing about u cant understand god with human mind. Now he understands creation just because it is creation. Disengage mouth simple one......

[simmy3000]

God I hate their deluded arrogance, I absolutely can't stand them, walking around like they know god exists as a fact, you complete and utter degenerate turds, shut your traps!

[12tod]

@SammyHales are you offering jesus christ as an alternative first cause or are you blaspheming? I hope the latter ;)

[SammyHales]

@12tod I don't care who you are, that was funny. :)

[527dannyb]

*word of god

[527dannyb]

@Asemahi3 also nice to see that your willing to imply that the Koran isn't the immutable unalterable and infallible word of good lol Also are you ok with sexual intercourse with 9 year old girls too? Because we all know the best man, and your shinning moral example on howbest to live yourlife was. Lol

[527dannyb]

@Asemahdi3 a touch arrogant to assume that I have no knowledge of islamic scripture, history, the Islamic concept of abrogation, nor the dhimma or protected people. But then you are a Muslim so arrogance is to be expected. I'm fully aware of of the "context" of the verses I quoted and also fully expect you to and your fellow racist supremacy seeking muslims to attempt to mislead us un believers into thinking your not a totalitarian expansionist racist sexist ideaology.

[1uzmauzma]

GOOD WORK



[527dannyb]

@AbuAmanah well seeing as how I don't believe in magic spells, Santa cluse, ghosts, goblins, or that man who hears voices when alone in a cave is really hearing voices from a god I guess it's kinda hard for us to agree. But more importantly you and those like you should know that we infidels can read, and we are reading you Koran and Hadith and we are none too happy at finding out what you really think of us and what you think should happen to us.

[Asemahdi3]

@527dannyb Why do infidels only pick out certain quotes without context and knowing nothing about when it was revealed. If you check the history you will find that it was before the first battle of Islam when pagan Arabs with their numerously superior army was coming to attack and wipe out a few Muslims once and for all. Muslims were not ready to fight back and these verses came to encourage them.

[sirdelrio]

all i need to do is watch all these muslims and conclude, without any argument, that a god cannot have possibly meant us to be like these guys are. It's so grotesque, so barbaric and bronze age, their beards and their narrow mindedness. yack!

[527dannyb]

hmm a muslim recycling american creation rubbish. but i love the way he quotes the koran.... koran what a book heres some more quotes from it......

"Slay them wherever you find them...Idolatry is worse than carnage...Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme." (Surah 2:190-)

"Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it." (Surah 2:216)

"Believers, do not make friends with any but your own people.." (Surah 3:118,)

[AbuAmanah]

@527dannyb "Even the devil can quote scriptures for his own gain" ?

[Asemahdi3]

@527dannyb Quoting without context I see. If you read Quran, then read it completely. "And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah . Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know." (9:6). whoever kills a soul it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. (5:32). Who are you cheating here? Yourself only.

[zimar101]

@saintpine or maybe you need to try to understand what he is arguing

[fluibertje]

infinite is a sloppy math.

[ArmedCivilian556]

Whatever caused this guy to stand up and speak is causing me to be sick ... lol

[Niccademus1978]

Oh look it's that fuckwit...

[Wrath0fKhan]

This is a bad joke, right? lol

[saintpine]

The only thing that Hamza has shown is that he needs a decent education.

[HamzaPatterson]

@indignant99 No, it's a logical assertion. The only other option is infinite regression which is ridiculous and doesn't exist in the real world.

[faro0485]

@indignant99 Refer to infinity equals zero.

[Perseveranze]

@indignant99 So you think it's always "been around" lol?

[Perseveranze]

@Gnomefro Pretty sure eternal or infinite (as they say) does not exist in reality. The Universe had a beginning and it will have an end.

This is what a thiest or a religious person will always argue, and its a perfectly legitmate one.