I would give anything to catch ELF torching a building. As a licensed concealed weapon holder and a war veteran, it would give me great pleasure to shoot an ELF eco terrorist dead.
I've fought terrorism in the Middle East and I see no difference in what the Taliban did and what ELF does.
Once you start watching underground news and compare it to mainstream news it you start noticing how peoples sentences are always cut off\ in the mainstream.
You know there is prisoner support for those saints of that group doing time…often hard time go to the ELF or EF web pages…they can and do serve the same sentences as those who commit murder how very sad and a strange idea for property destruction and murder to have the same jail sentence.
Honestly the "protect the earth" days are over... Now we HAVE to fight for it. People are saying these tactics are hypocritical but when you think about it the system will use force, brutality, and prisons to opress anybody who thinks against the corporate agenda.
I don't think burning down houses is a sustainable way to protect the earth. It might have some positive short term results but at long sight, it wont help anything at all. what we need to do is waking up the peoples brains. if we FORCE them to live more environmental friendly, there wont be any change in social behavior, we would just be another authority. however, if the people see for themselves the damage they deal, they'd act more convinced and sustainable.
Really smart,, burn and tear shit up creating pollution and a bigger footprint so the corporations can make money on insurance and get even bigger stuff creating even more waste.
Anyone who supports this shit is a fucking moron. Do you idiots burn your own houses down,? I bet you drive cars that pollute the environment. What about the toxic dyes in your clothes and the toxins in the rubber of your shoes?
Go ahead and keep it up, you're on the hit list. Thank you for showing your faces, duly noted.
If you pathetic little assholes had any balls you would run into the nearest toxic waste dump and take a bath.
Liberals also hunt dumbass. I know many Democrats, my nephew for one who hunts. Get an education in Green Technology if you really want to help the environment. How does burning homes (which puts greenhouse gases into the atmosphere and possibly destroys surrounding animal habitat) helping the environment.
@popscoop12 cause apparantly some radical lefts find that if you have money you are lazy and dont work at all. i love how they're idea of eco friendly is burning down a house sending alot of smoke into the air. AND using freshwater that could be used for drinking
This guy is just giving an example of a hurendous violent protest and comparing it to the ELF protests, yes the Elf's is a much better way to protest in comparison, but was there a guy with a gun shooting up the mall for the same reason? PPL have to learn to look at things in context, not just being biasts or ignorant, its called facts.
ELF is releasing hydrocarbons and other harmful chemicals into the atmosphere by burning the houses down; harming the environment (fish, reptiles, amphibians, trees, insects, etc.). Since the people who build the houses have money to spare, they can and probably will rebuild; using more natural resources and potentially doing more harm to the environment than would otherwise be done. ELF sounds like a really bad joke.
Fuck the earth liberation front! They are a bunch of fucking dirty hippies who consider the human race no better than a virus. These fucking terrorists want to bring us back to the 14th century. No burning of fossil fuels, no advancement of the human race, animals above humans. These scumbags disgust me!
just thought i would clarify, i don't think they consider the human race to be a virus at all. it's the system that is like a virus, constantly spreading and destroying everything in its path. does "advancement" of the human race have to come at the cost of exploiting and killing the rest of the planet?
A green terrorist is no less a terrorist, as these ELFs are. The ultimate irony is that by burning these houses they are doing more damage to the environment than all the energy use that would have gone on inside them. But, then, thinking isn't high on their list of favorite activities.
Socialist dumbasses ..."liberation front" these jokers need to be hunted down and made to pay dearly for these attrocities and crimes of violence. Terrorist sociopaths.
Do the world a favor and shoot yourselves so you cannot pollute the earth with your lunacy and offspring.
If you like socialism so much ... go to Europe they like that shit there. Fucking around here will get you killed.
I respect ELF, and as long as no violence is used, I fully support it and think it's great, however, I do not have the balls to do it. I also hate how it's called "terrorism", terrorism is supposed to cause terror, and use violence to do it. The only thing their terrorizing the is CEO's of organizations that destroy the environment, because he might not make a profit from destroying *our* homes.
I agree with their guidelines also. What they do could be just a sample of what will happen if the earth reaches the point of no return. If we reach that point, people who dependent on the super market for survival will be in real trouble. So will the rich.
i love elf. they help human society, by destroying the luxury homes that seperate our society into an economic caste system. but they are also helping wildlife. im aginst violence but there is more violence against the fish. no one was harmed and eventually nature will take back the land.
dude , the idea of ELF is to have multiple groups everywhere all over the USA and they work individually, so this was what one group thought would be a good idea, this isn't an action made by the Whole of the ELF but it's an action made by a "sector" of the ELF, this shit is rad i'm glad someone is ridding the US of yuppie families who's greed fucks up Rivers and Communities!
Nice comment. The main purpose of the ELF is to bring awareness. No point in killing or hurting anyone. Just bring awareness to our abuse of the enviroment.
They are not attacking the state, but attacking individuals. They think the state is the answer, not the problem. If you're going to burn down stuff, burn down D.C. Sheesh.
so burning down houses just means them trees died in vain and now they have to chop down more trees to build the houses because you and I know the houses will be built because money and power will have the end say. So i say burn down more stuff so we as a wood industry will have a job tomarrow thanks guys oh the carbon you released in the air will be gagged meny a bird. Hopefully you have saved up some carbon credits to pay for your fire fun!!!!!!!
dont forget the cost of shipping all the material to replace the lost buildings. all the gas the workers use to get to and from the work site. arson is a very well thought out plan huh? haha. "living green" my ass
im all for E.L.F but what the fuck!!! if your so enviormentaly friendly then why the fuck are you burning down houses with tress & animals around it.... not to mention that ash is fucked up for the enviorment...........??????????????? by the way wikipedia can be edited by anyone at anytime..... i just dont get shit anymore......... if you have something to say know your fucking facts... dumb shit!!!
ash in the air aint as bad as the other shit floatin around. go to any downtown and tell me what you see. somthing artifical will fly up your nose or in your eye. have you heard of three mile island?
LOL!!! talk about destroying the environment...this fire has created so much pollution! Construction materials contain all sorts of chemicals that when burned, release toxic gases. You people couldn't be more stupid if you wanted to be! You are ignorant about reality
Not only that, but the homes will be RE-built. So More fossil fuels and more toxic materials created. These ELF morons are just too stupid to understand that they are creating MORE pollution and waste by lighting these fires. Hilarious how hypocritical these absolute DUNCES are!
yeah, well but the destroying of the earth is going on every where day for day.. in a much bigger dimension... we need a change.. and we have to fight for this change, ELF does what has to be done...
Why bring obama into this?! He has NOTHING to do with it (no more so than ANY other president, including that absolute DOPE GW)! Is that what all of this ridiculous stupidity is about?! And how does destroying private property help your retarded cause? The property is rebuilt with INSURANCE money, resources are fucking WASTED and insurance companies pass the cost onto you and I. How fucking stupid are you people?! VERY!
Protecting the environment?!? In what capacity?! Man, you are a fucking hypocrite...if you have ANY kind of heat in your house (which I doubt, everyone knows you ridiculous tree huggers don't bathe) you ALSO pollute. As a species we pollute...there is no getting around it. If you want to help the environment, kill yourself. And the more people shooting retarded rioters who create pollution by burning things, the better. You people are so stupid. Burning things causes pollution...dumbfuck!
Wow, if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black!
And your perspective is DE-constructive. You want to WASTE recourses and cause riots in the name of saving something. That is just too fucked up for words! You have NO CLUE how bad fires that burn chemicals are for the environment. You couldn't be more ignorant if you wanted to be. Again, do the planet a favor and die.
It's funny how you have NO CLUE how much pollution was created just so that you could have the PC you are using now. From the chemicals used to make the PCB to the fuel used to send the parts all around the world and the PC itself to your house. You treehuggers are the one with the warped perspective. You are all utterly clueless about how the world actually works. Instead of trying to find LOGICAL solutions to the worlds problems, you create more. Again, you people are too stupid for words!
have you ever asked yourself why we don't use solar energy instead of oil in the world? even if economical friendly technologies were discovered more than hundred years ago?
Wow, add that to the LONG list of things you are ignorant about. We'd have to cover every inch of the planet to create enough energy with solar power to meet our needs. The technology is NOT advanced enough to make it a viable solution. Is there ANY subject that you have properly educated yourself on?!? Not to mention that fact that solar power needs to be stored, and it's stored in batteries which are VERY bad for the environment when disposed. Keep showing how stupid you are. It's hilarious.
ok and I can promise you, that if we continue a capitalistic system, it will also be our path of self-destruction... but fortunatly that won't be the case
you shouldn't promise that much ;) The anarchistic Revolution is everywhere.. you just don't see it on the TV
Obama is allowing an earth and liberation support volunteer organization who is collecting funds for these criminals on Serve (DOT) GOV, i have a video of this on my channel
Ok, I don't disagree with the idea of stopping the destruction of our planet. BUT.. when you start scaring people away from your cause, you're doing your cause a disservice. Non-violence is more difficult, and less dramatic, but in the long run, more effective. Appealing to to intellect and reason is going to draw more of the masses. Disregarding the masses and believing the minority should rule because the minority has a lock on reality, has already been tried, with disastrous results.
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SICK!!! This person actually believes its OK to burn down homes , in the name of the Environment!!! This person should be in JAIL!!! and throw away the key!!!
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Individual acts of violence and terrorism are a waste of time, which is why most serious minded revolutionaries are opposed to such actions. The Earth Liberation Front are basically just middle-class adventurists who don't want to do the really hard work to bring about fundamental change.
Revolution begins in the work place, not the suburbs.
The whole reason people live in bigass houses is because they think it'll impress people. So the only way to prevent that crap is for society to at large to say "we're not impressed". I mean look what happened to SUV sales.
If you are going to use vandalism, arson is probably less effective than just widescale rocks through windows (wear gloves when handling the rocks just to be safe) because everybody hates inconvenience and you can probably break 100 windows in the time one arson takes.
Your still not getting the reason why they are doing this.
Rewatch the video, and look at our conversation.
I am not exploiting the world and the resources of other and the environment. If I was then yes I would understand that. However I only have one home and couldn't afford to get another because I am NOT EXPLOITING.
These people have the ability to buy thousands of homes, and the exploit humans, basically they do what you are suggesting , to millions of others for their own personal gain.
And what about the corporations that make the law for their own benefit.
Don't tell me about laws, laws are set by those with power exploiting others.
Your still not getting the point.
In any resistance laws had to be broken. What about war, if we claim our selves as a nation could we claim legitimate war and then burn down these houses?
The government does much much worse in the name of exploitation.
Let me ask you, do you want your home to be burned downed? No? Then why do you want it done on others, just because they don't agree with your point of view. What about the families of those houses?
The KKK burned people's houses down done because they didn't agree with their point of view. But I bet you don't support that.
So if I spent MY money on a third T.V, you have the right to smash my on of my T.Vs on the fact that I have two more, because of a THEORY of global warming?
If you would wake up, the global warming issue is just one of the major problems.
First of global warming isn't a theory, it is a fact, the theory is whether or not humans are causing.
Outside of that, there is basic land degredation, natural ecosystem destruction, and oh right peak oil.
Oh and yes I would smash your tv if it were a significant impact on your economic value and you were profiting from the destruction of our planet. Did you not read that part. Its not because you have one.
Oh so you admit that there is no conclusive proof that humans are causing this "global warming", yet before we get this conclusive proof, these assholes has the right to punish other people.
P.S if you smash my T.V, or some other supposedly environmentally harmful things that belong to me, it'll just result in lawsuits which will result in me buying in two or three more of whatever you bought. (Also your face might or might not be smashed as well.)
I love how your trying to play the guilt trick by mentioning the future generation, yet at the same time, your supporting acts like these that inflict maximum "ECONOMIC" damage based on an "IF", further increasing the debt, that the very same future generation which you brought up, are gonna have to repay. Yea so they'll have a few more animals they can see on the Discovery channel, sucks thought that they got this huge debt that we left them.
I care about the people who suffer, but I want them to suffer as little as possble. If we ignore the crash that will come (not if) then it will be very bad.
If the economy were to not exists most of the population of the world would be instantly better off.
The higher power countries rape the resources from the rest.
So you want me to accept this destruction of other people for my own.
I have no idea what you were trying to say. All I was trying to say was, "you said care about the next generation" i said "don't tell me to care for them when your the one saying we should increase the debt they have to repay"
From what I understood, you seem to want to have your cake and eat it. You don't want the economy to exist, because higher powers rape smaller worlds for their resources, yet if there was no economy, there is no civilization, unless you want to return the barter system
First of all, torching houses is not good for the environment. Torching is inherently destructive, especially towards the environment. Second of all, violence is inherently destructive and immoral, which is, of course, the reason why monopolies of violence always destroy themselves. It is not feasible to initiate violence against the state in an attempt to overthrow it since the state is, by definition, a literal monopoly of violence. You will be faced with overwhelming force if you resist it.
typical. its ok with you people to do such things to others....and why? because the houses were to close to a creek.....betten that stretch of creek was in better shape (or will be) than the rest......
i'm front woodinville, these houses were about two miles from where i live. they're monstrously huge, and ruined a fair amount of wild life to do it. those who think there is a flaw in the logic in burning down houses are fairly short sighted. yes, burning down one house is probably worse than letting it stay, but these fires caused the building insurance to go up so that neighboring houses can't be built. In the long run, there is a benefit.
"I fucking hate rich people; they don't get to have large houses because we can't afford them either. Those jerks. Let's burn their houses and force them to live in smaller houses."
i had a 5 thousand square foot house on a country club near there. my property cost more than the ones that got burned because of its location on the course. hypocritical? perhaps. but i didn't choose to build there, my parents did.
I'm amused at how many people your comment, while both concise and well thought out, were offended by your comment.
Apparently ELF supporters shun logic.
Let's take a simple office assistant who works at an animal testing facility. He's a good man, wants to do what he can to improve quality of life, cares for the animals best he can, etc.
Yet he lives in CONSTANT fear for his life because of the ELF.
You know what it is, these people know the truth, that ELF are terrorists, but they convinced themselves that they're not, and hid all their doubt in the back of their heads, but when someone like me comes and reminds everyone about the truth, that doubt surfaces again and they're annoyed at that. I mean if they knew for a fact that they're not terrorist, they wouldn't be bothered by statements like mine right?
I really have a problem with how so many people form theyre opinions before, or without ever even looking into the facts. If you listened to what this man was saying you would have heard that the earth liberation front would never hurt a human being as stated in their primary rules to not act in violence towards any animal human or non human.
I'm fully aware that they're adamant about not harming people. (Consequently, I don't believe I ever made a claim that they'd cause physical harm to another person.) But they are into harming property. And imagine coming home and seeing your entire life (house, property, and everything in it) burned to the ground simply because of where you work.
Sure, they didn't physically harm a person. Does that mean they didn't harm them emotionally?
im from woodinville. when the ELF burns down houses they burn down houses being built that still belong to the development companies. that way individuals don't lose stuff. the mcmansions are empty, even of furniture and stuff like that. this video doesn't explain that the houses weren't even finished.
"that way individuals don't lose stuff..." You are very naive to believe that vandalism against valuable property does not damage the welfare of any people. Shareholders are people.
Please tell me this clown is serious about condemning deer hunting...
Try a little bit harder. This is embarrassing for the both of us.
He probably also thinks the hockey stick points to doom, corn-based ethanol is a viable "alternative energy", only supports "safe" nuclear and that natural gas is great but domestic drilling must be stopped.
haha i would have to agree..i just dropped a couple innocent deer this past weekend. Feeding your family is a terrible thing I know. . . And I love how some people feel that every tree, rock, and seashell have a soul or whatever that hippie bullshit is. Wake up I'm no genius but does burning houses down help the environment. Well if it does. While your in Japan take a look around the houses there are side by side. One match may over there, may save the earth but level Japan.Makes alot of sense
i wonder what the environmental impact of being on Youtube is. You need to manufacture a computer, webcam, software. Use up electricity to work you're computer. And watch these webcasts. So what's the cost to an ELF
I posted the last message as a kind of pavlovian impulse and while watching the beginning of the video. Just watched it all.
Thanks for posting it, and for your nice and intelligent words on the ELF, on violence/non-violence, acting up/not having the "balls" to act, etc.
It's rare to see someone publicly speaking in favor of ELF or other people's actions + describing the way the Media are distorting everything, creating some kind of parallel reality (VIOLENCE/HORROR - Watch us! Be afraid!) ;)
that was a totally different matter dumbshit. how does taxation without representation relate to burning down homes?? please explain that to me. support marijauna reform.
you're right, it was a completely different matter. that is why i was referring to the tactics used in achieving change (the direct destruction of property), not the issues in question.
absolutely. that's the point. the philosophy the ELF stands by is that if in a capitalist society, something you are doing suddenly becomes a financial loss rather than a source of potential profits (due to arson), you will stop doing it.
when destroying the environment becomes unprofitable, they will cease to do it.
It is a necessary action to piss some people off. I'm sure Charles Manson was pissed off at the police when they arrested him for all his accounts of murders.
fisty1970 - "You probably not stupid, but you close yourself off from people with different opinions. I would dearly love to know why."
I chose to wash my hands entirely of criminals. Particularly those being unscientific & damaging the real cause.
Another example are the alf. I do medical research into pain medication. There is NO way this research can be done without animal testing. That is reality.
And yet spoiled children (who depend on the modern medicine) protest. Fuck em.
so do you really think that when we artificially give animals diseases that humans might acquire just from being alive or however they got them, that the tests to prevent or slow down the disease will have the same affect as if it was there naturally? also, how can we be so sure that the side affects that for example a dog would have, would be the same as a human?
Veganism is a dogmatic, hypocritical, elitist form of acult.
Know how many animals are killled every year in the machinery used to grow your precious crops? Know how many wild life habitats are destroyed to make room for your fucking cabbage?
And don't bother saying "Well, your meat diet does the same!" because I'm not the one giving other peole a moral guilt trip about it.
yeah i do eat meat every day i lov bacon, steak, chicken, all somthered in a-1. but i do recycle i collect my trash and seperate everything. but animals are here for us to eat we are the dominate species. i have a dog but hes a pet, nothing more in my family. theres helping and then theres nut jobs "helping" by setting fires and destroying others property thats whats wrong. get a life
But hey, if you really want to make a statement about not impacting the environment, then stop buying any form of food & using computers & electricity. Clothe yourself in leaves (since you cannot use animal skins or any corporate manufactured clothing) and feed yourself using foraging and gathering only.
Oh... and no medicine, antibiotics, heating or cooling for you.
I give you 1 month life expectancy without the civilisation you hate.
I'm not sure what is psuedoscientific about what I said. We're animals, so we could at least extend the same compassion towards other species as we to do ourselves.
I have a Job, by the way, but nice stereoptyping, it makes you look very well informed.
I'm not sure why you think that I would have no clothing, medicine or heating if there were no factory farms or vivisectionists, but as to my hating civilistation, I hate parts of it that we should move past.
the movie "if a tree falls : a story of the Earth Liberation Front" came out and won the 2011 Documentary Editing Award at Sundance.
a different take of the "we're all someone's terrorist" and "what you end up doing when your voice isn't heard using legal means of expression" imo.
arianekos 3 months ago
I would give anything to catch ELF torching a building. As a licensed concealed weapon holder and a war veteran, it would give me great pleasure to shoot an ELF eco terrorist dead.
I've fought terrorism in the Middle East and I see no difference in what the Taliban did and what ELF does.
renegade1alpha 4 months ago
You're smart. Subscribed! :)
GreenPrimitivist 6 months ago
Once you start watching underground news and compare it to mainstream news it you start noticing how peoples sentences are always cut off\ in the mainstream.
Fortiforeal 7 months ago
did u see the film 'If a tree falls'? It's about ELF.
By the way, I'm learning Japanese too^^
Akissa 8 months ago
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ELF needs to be eliminated.
TrippClaymore 8 months ago
You know there is prisoner support for those saints of that group doing time…often hard time go to the ELF or EF web pages…they can and do serve the same sentences as those who commit murder how very sad and a strange idea for property destruction and murder to have the same jail sentence.
BETHRJACOBS 9 months ago 2
what about torching the "repod " houses ???
they prob prefer that
collect insurance
chiefy67 9 months ago
thats tight, i love the ELF!!
dicek18 1 year ago
The owner of this video is a cocksucking moron. He should be buttfucked and gelded.
viriatoist 1 year ago
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viriatoist 1 year ago
Honestly the "protect the earth" days are over... Now we HAVE to fight for it. People are saying these tactics are hypocritical but when you think about it the system will use force, brutality, and prisons to opress anybody who thinks against the corporate agenda.
JimmielGuerrilla 1 year ago 4
I don't think burning down houses is a sustainable way to protect the earth. It might have some positive short term results but at long sight, it wont help anything at all. what we need to do is waking up the peoples brains. if we FORCE them to live more environmental friendly, there wont be any change in social behavior, we would just be another authority. however, if the people see for themselves the damage they deal, they'd act more convinced and sustainable.
Mungooooo 1 year ago
@Mungooooo at least they are doin something!!! what are YOU doin ???
chiefy67 9 months ago
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Mungooooo 1 year ago
Really smart,, burn and tear shit up creating pollution and a bigger footprint so the corporations can make money on insurance and get even bigger stuff creating even more waste.
You guys are morons. Like special ed terrorists.
h20fwler1 1 year ago
Anyone who supports this shit is a fucking moron. Do you idiots burn your own houses down,? I bet you drive cars that pollute the environment. What about the toxic dyes in your clothes and the toxins in the rubber of your shoes?
Go ahead and keep it up, you're on the hit list. Thank you for showing your faces, duly noted.
If you pathetic little assholes had any balls you would run into the nearest toxic waste dump and take a bath.
IwinbyKO 1 year ago
Liberals also hunt dumbass. I know many Democrats, my nephew for one who hunts. Get an education in Green Technology if you really want to help the environment. How does burning homes (which puts greenhouse gases into the atmosphere and possibly destroys surrounding animal habitat) helping the environment.
AXESMI 1 year ago
Someone should make them repair the houses at gunpoint.
NinjaGhostScorpion 1 year ago 2
ROFL! Burn, baby, burn! Love it. Fucking right wing ecoterrorists finally got some (admittedly irrelevant) pay back.
NotSoOldHippy 1 year ago
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LOL! Burn, baby, burn!
NotSoOldHippy 1 year ago
Work hard all your life just so some radical assholes can burn your shit down. Why would you support this?
popscoop12 1 year ago 4
@popscoop12 cause apparantly some radical lefts find that if you have money you are lazy and dont work at all. i love how they're idea of eco friendly is burning down a house sending alot of smoke into the air. AND using freshwater that could be used for drinking
archangel1845 1 year ago
@archangel1845 haha dude smokes natural....you think that naturally occurring forest fires are horribly polluting the environment?
zosothedestroyer 1 year ago
@zosothedestroyer no but imagin whats in the house burning
archangel1845 1 year ago
@archangel1845 imagine what continually goes into making homes that just sit there and remain unoccupied =/
zosothedestroyer 1 year ago
@zosothedestroyer so...burning them down makes it better
archangel1845 1 year ago
This guy is just giving an example of a hurendous violent protest and comparing it to the ELF protests, yes the Elf's is a much better way to protest in comparison, but was there a guy with a gun shooting up the mall for the same reason? PPL have to learn to look at things in context, not just being biasts or ignorant, its called facts.
goarmy18 1 year ago
ELF is releasing hydrocarbons and other harmful chemicals into the atmosphere by burning the houses down; harming the environment (fish, reptiles, amphibians, trees, insects, etc.). Since the people who build the houses have money to spare, they can and probably will rebuild; using more natural resources and potentially doing more harm to the environment than would otherwise be done. ELF sounds like a really bad joke.
tyroman009 1 year ago
Fuck the earth liberation front! They are a bunch of fucking dirty hippies who consider the human race no better than a virus. These fucking terrorists want to bring us back to the 14th century. No burning of fossil fuels, no advancement of the human race, animals above humans. These scumbags disgust me!
spernoadversa 1 year ago 3
@spernoadversa
just thought i would clarify, i don't think they consider the human race to be a virus at all. it's the system that is like a virus, constantly spreading and destroying everything in its path. does "advancement" of the human race have to come at the cost of exploiting and killing the rest of the planet?
xs0heavenly 1 year ago
A green terrorist is no less a terrorist, as these ELFs are. The ultimate irony is that by burning these houses they are doing more damage to the environment than all the energy use that would have gone on inside them. But, then, thinking isn't high on their list of favorite activities.
lastory2006 1 year ago
Socialist dumbasses ..."liberation front" these jokers need to be hunted down and made to pay dearly for these attrocities and crimes of violence. Terrorist sociopaths.
Do the world a favor and shoot yourselves so you cannot pollute the earth with your lunacy and offspring.
If you like socialism so much ... go to Europe they like that shit there. Fucking around here will get you killed.
N101RG 1 year ago
Hey, I have a brilliant idea. Gather round.
Lets release a lot of environmental pollution right next to a creek we are trying to protect from pollution.
Aren't we smart?
Aren't we clever? The power is in our hands. WE are God now.
2bornot2b1984 1 year ago
I respect ELF, and as long as no violence is used, I fully support it and think it's great, however, I do not have the balls to do it. I also hate how it's called "terrorism", terrorism is supposed to cause terror, and use violence to do it. The only thing their terrorizing the is CEO's of organizations that destroy the environment, because he might not make a profit from destroying *our* homes.
imanerd36 1 year ago
Burn baby burn. Disco inferno!
Antiks72 1 year ago
go ELF! heroes
flute4hire 1 year ago
How could they tell if a child or pet was in the building?
TheTechnoPrincess 1 year ago
@TheTechnoPrincess When is a child or pet alone in a house where no one is living or has ever lived?
imanerd36 1 year ago
Wow, and what if someone HAD gotten hurt. How is this acceptable behavior?
TheTechnoPrincess 1 year ago
I fully support ALF and ELF.
wesingforchange 1 year ago 2
I agree with their guidelines also. What they do could be just a sample of what will happen if the earth reaches the point of no return. If we reach that point, people who dependent on the super market for survival will be in real trouble. So will the rich.
1Vidaloco 1 year ago
their tactics are great, they hurt no one, and do loads of property damage.
TheEnviroFriend 1 year ago 12
wait did he say ''go hamas'' do you know that is a trrorist group?? IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE???
john73055 1 year ago
yeah ok burn somones house down. how the fuck would you feel if somone was to burn your house down your somone in your familys house?
john73055 1 year ago
you try to burn me down and i will execute you on the spot !
doubleslottedflaps 2 years ago
I love it!...and you're a great dude!
jarodpace 2 years ago
i love elf. they help human society, by destroying the luxury homes that seperate our society into an economic caste system. but they are also helping wildlife. im aginst violence but there is more violence against the fish. no one was harmed and eventually nature will take back the land.
Darkstorms15 2 years ago 11
@Darkstorms15 I hope they burn your house down
loserman243 11 months ago
not only were these homes seperating middle class, rich, and poor. but they are putting luxury over survival of animals.
Darkstorms15 2 years ago
dude , the idea of ELF is to have multiple groups everywhere all over the USA and they work individually, so this was what one group thought would be a good idea, this isn't an action made by the Whole of the ELF but it's an action made by a "sector" of the ELF, this shit is rad i'm glad someone is ridding the US of yuppie families who's greed fucks up Rivers and Communities!
drummerJxUNIT 2 years ago
Nice comment. The main purpose of the ELF is to bring awareness. No point in killing or hurting anyone. Just bring awareness to our abuse of the enviroment.
AntiGlobalWarming 2 years ago 2
They are not attacking the state, but attacking individuals. They think the state is the answer, not the problem. If you're going to burn down stuff, burn down D.C. Sheesh.
elijahstanfield 2 years ago
Quiet, you!
microdeath123 2 years ago
so burning down houses just means them trees died in vain and now they have to chop down more trees to build the houses because you and I know the houses will be built because money and power will have the end say. So i say burn down more stuff so we as a wood industry will have a job tomarrow thanks guys oh the carbon you released in the air will be gagged meny a bird. Hopefully you have saved up some carbon credits to pay for your fire fun!!!!!!!
TheStrazy 2 years ago
dont forget the cost of shipping all the material to replace the lost buildings. all the gas the workers use to get to and from the work site. arson is a very well thought out plan huh? haha. "living green" my ass
matchesison 2 years ago
i say people should spraypain more like they do in new york
doox420 2 years ago
"I want democracy now". thank you for your videos. I totally agree with you and your ideals. Keep on rockin..
Jepedo4747 2 years ago
bull shit!!
has anyone heard of a peaceful protest?
im all for E.L.F but what the fuck!!! if your so enviormentaly friendly then why the fuck are you burning down houses with tress & animals around it.... not to mention that ash is fucked up for the enviorment...........??????????????? by the way wikipedia can be edited by anyone at anytime..... i just dont get shit anymore......... if you have something to say know your fucking facts... dumb shit!!!
peaceispossible16 2 years ago
ash in the air aint as bad as the other shit floatin around. go to any downtown and tell me what you see. somthing artifical will fly up your nose or in your eye. have you heard of three mile island?
doox420 2 years ago
Go E.L.F.!
VaQm10 2 years ago
its not my fault you are scared of animals
wudyzpp 2 years ago
Dude, you're a moron.
gworksnell 2 years ago
you can't stop us
(A)
MannoMagic 2 years ago
MannoMagic .....if that's the path you choose, then you're on a path of self destruction.
All you would be remembered for is being a insane young man and common crimminal.
Obvisouly you have no respect for you're parents and family.
Your got big surprise coming to you, 'REALITY DOES BITE' and the best part about all this, you will mean nothing to the world:o)
MRMILO57 2 years ago
We will see... ;)
I've even got respect for the hole humanity, except the bitches who kill children or destroy our environment... That's why I destroy their property
yeah reality does bite.. but it bites both sides
Jesus was an anarchist (A) :)
MannoMagic 2 years ago
MannoMagic
My last post is a promise to you.
MRMILO57 2 years ago
LOL!!! talk about destroying the environment...this fire has created so much pollution! Construction materials contain all sorts of chemicals that when burned, release toxic gases. You people couldn't be more stupid if you wanted to be! You are ignorant about reality
FightForYourRights01 2 years ago
Not only that, but the homes will be RE-built. So More fossil fuels and more toxic materials created. These ELF morons are just too stupid to understand that they are creating MORE pollution and waste by lighting these fires. Hilarious how hypocritical these absolute DUNCES are!
FightForYourRights01 2 years ago 2
yeah, well but the destroying of the earth is going on every where day for day.. in a much bigger dimension... we need a change.. and we have to fight for this change, ELF does what has to be done...
the change comes by the people
not by fucking obama
MannoMagic 2 years ago
Why bring obama into this?! He has NOTHING to do with it (no more so than ANY other president, including that absolute DOPE GW)! Is that what all of this ridiculous stupidity is about?! And how does destroying private property help your retarded cause? The property is rebuilt with INSURANCE money, resources are fucking WASTED and insurance companies pass the cost onto you and I. How fucking stupid are you people?! VERY!
FightForYourRights01 2 years ago
I wanted to point out that obama isn't protecting our environment... we have to rise up and do it by ourself
burning property of big corporations is a sign of resistance... and the more people are rioting, the better it is
MannoMagic 2 years ago
Protecting the environment?!? In what capacity?! Man, you are a fucking hypocrite...if you have ANY kind of heat in your house (which I doubt, everyone knows you ridiculous tree huggers don't bathe) you ALSO pollute. As a species we pollute...there is no getting around it. If you want to help the environment, kill yourself. And the more people shooting retarded rioters who create pollution by burning things, the better. You people are so stupid. Burning things causes pollution...dumbfuck!
FightForYourRights01 2 years ago
you have no constructive perspective on the world.. that's very sad
you should get one before you grow up
MannoMagic 2 years ago
Wow, if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black!
And your perspective is DE-constructive. You want to WASTE recourses and cause riots in the name of saving something. That is just too fucked up for words! You have NO CLUE how bad fires that burn chemicals are for the environment. You couldn't be more ignorant if you wanted to be. Again, do the planet a favor and die.
FightForYourRights01 2 years ago
It's funny how you have NO CLUE how much pollution was created just so that you could have the PC you are using now. From the chemicals used to make the PCB to the fuel used to send the parts all around the world and the PC itself to your house. You treehuggers are the one with the warped perspective. You are all utterly clueless about how the world actually works. Instead of trying to find LOGICAL solutions to the worlds problems, you create more. Again, you people are too stupid for words!
FightForYourRights01 2 years ago
aha
have you ever asked yourself why we don't use solar energy instead of oil in the world? even if economical friendly technologies were discovered more than hundred years ago?
it's the profit system
MannoMagic 2 years ago
Wow, add that to the LONG list of things you are ignorant about. We'd have to cover every inch of the planet to create enough energy with solar power to meet our needs. The technology is NOT advanced enough to make it a viable solution. Is there ANY subject that you have properly educated yourself on?!? Not to mention that fact that solar power needs to be stored, and it's stored in batteries which are VERY bad for the environment when disposed. Keep showing how stupid you are. It's hilarious.
FightForYourRights01 2 years ago
try being RATIONAL for once... there's 2 sides to every story.. have a heart!
peaceispossible16 2 years ago
I AM rational and I do have a heart. I'm also aware of the facts.
FightForYourRights01 2 years ago
burning shit is stupid as fuck... don't let one dude influence your thought on the cause!
tree huggers do bathe, damn your probably the type of person that swims in bushes blood... cunt!
peaceispossible16 2 years ago
ok and I can promise you, that if we continue a capitalistic system, it will also be our path of self-destruction... but fortunatly that won't be the case
you shouldn't promise that much ;) The anarchistic Revolution is everywhere.. you just don't see it on the TV
MannoMagic 2 years ago
Check out my new ALF videos! We are the nALF! Protecting the environment!
GO nALF!
IlSeFousDeTaGuele 2 years ago
MRMILO57
capitalism destroying the earth wich we live on is winning??
your a fuckin retarted peice of shit...
AnahuacRising 2 years ago 3
Man, could they get a more unattractive news lady?
jetsam50000 2 years ago
Obama is allowing an earth and liberation support volunteer organization who is collecting funds for these criminals on Serve (DOT) GOV, i have a video of this on my channel
SaveOurSovereignty3 2 years ago
Hes a communist
jetsam50000 2 years ago
Craig Rosebraugh
PO Box 6058
Portland, OR 97228
Tel: (503) 235-1072
3257 SE Hawthorne Blvd
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MRMILO57 2 years ago
ELF
Your disperation is pathetic!.....all it's proving is your nothing but a bunch of criminals.
Capitalism will always win!!!!!!
MRMILO57 2 years ago
Man, where`ve you been the last few month? I dont know how to break this to you gently but capitalism ended with a big wellfare check!
checkmybigboobs 2 years ago
checkmybigboobs
In the last 6 months, sold my excess properties and have very fat piggy bank, safely tucked away.
Only for capitalism, you would have no electrcity to use your computer to reply to my comments!
You getting my hint?
MRMILO57 2 years ago
That's nonsense ... prove it...
MannoMagic 2 years ago
Dude, oh, I gave you two 2 stars because I thought you were against ELF...sorry
Johnnyfortune82 2 years ago 2
Ok, I don't disagree with the idea of stopping the destruction of our planet. BUT.. when you start scaring people away from your cause, you're doing your cause a disservice. Non-violence is more difficult, and less dramatic, but in the long run, more effective. Appealing to to intellect and reason is going to draw more of the masses. Disregarding the masses and believing the minority should rule because the minority has a lock on reality, has already been tried, with disastrous results.
kendigjeff 2 years ago
ELF IS doing a fucking great thing!!!
FNO108 2 years ago 2
..poetic, yet very true!
checkmybigboobs 2 years ago
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FNO108 2 years ago
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SICK!!! This person actually believes its OK to burn down homes , in the name of the Environment!!! This person should be in JAIL!!! and throw away the key!!!
jaguarantony 2 years ago
you are a fucking domesticated dumbass housey who has been so alienated from the natural world your willing to defend babylon. fuck you
Stenchyboxcar 2 years ago 3
biospherical egalitarianism
otacon451 2 years ago
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SICK!!! This person actually believes its OK to burn down homes , This person should be in JAIL!!! and throw away the key.
jaguarantony 2 years ago
these people need to get a dose of 12ga 000 buckshot
these " ecoterrorists are just the same as usma bin laden
charlesrs 2 years ago
yeah yeah you dont need to make your ignorance even more visible ;)
FNO108 2 years ago
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Individual acts of violence and terrorism are a waste of time, which is why most serious minded revolutionaries are opposed to such actions. The Earth Liberation Front are basically just middle-class adventurists who don't want to do the really hard work to bring about fundamental change.
Revolution begins in the work place, not the suburbs.
Congest 2 years ago
The whole reason people live in bigass houses is because they think it'll impress people. So the only way to prevent that crap is for society to at large to say "we're not impressed". I mean look what happened to SUV sales.
If you are going to use vandalism, arson is probably less effective than just widescale rocks through windows (wear gloves when handling the rocks just to be safe) because everybody hates inconvenience and you can probably break 100 windows in the time one arson takes.
ghjjfsbf 2 years ago
Great video. Two points people always miss.
1) Burning a house is violent how?
2) Its not burning houses its inflicting maximum economic damage profiting from ....
mans0nh 2 years ago
1)Arson is a violent act
2)Those houses are most defiantly on fire.
Tommy9834 2 years ago
Fire isn't violent. Someone on fire would be violent.
Damage is not charged as violence.
mans0nh 2 years ago
So can I burn your house along with all your belongings when your not home? i mean, as long as I don't burn you it's OK right?
Tommy9834 2 years ago
Your still not getting the reason why they are doing this.
Rewatch the video, and look at our conversation.
I am not exploiting the world and the resources of other and the environment. If I was then yes I would understand that. However I only have one home and couldn't afford to get another because I am NOT EXPLOITING.
These people have the ability to buy thousands of homes, and the exploit humans, basically they do what you are suggesting , to millions of others for their own personal gain.
mans0nh 2 years ago
So what your saying is that they had a good motive and so they should be given a free pass to be above the law.
Tommy9834 2 years ago
And what about the corporations that make the law for their own benefit.
Don't tell me about laws, laws are set by those with power exploiting others.
Your still not getting the point.
In any resistance laws had to be broken. What about war, if we claim our selves as a nation could we claim legitimate war and then burn down these houses?
The government does much much worse in the name of exploitation.
mans0nh 2 years ago
These heads corporations they are economically affecting do much worse in the name of exploitation, should they be given a free pass?
Oh wait, they control who has the passes.
mans0nh 2 years ago
If you make a peaceful solution impossible, A violent solution is inevitable.
garbageday99 2 years ago
Let me ask you, do you want your home to be burned downed? No? Then why do you want it done on others, just because they don't agree with your point of view. What about the families of those houses?
The KKK burned people's houses down done because they didn't agree with their point of view. But I bet you don't support that.
Tommy9834 2 years ago
What families?? They weren't even finished building the damn things.
SleepySkeptic 2 years ago
Watch the video. Those who owned these multimillion dollar houses were profiting from the destruction and suffering of others and the planet.
They were multimillion dollar houses. Do you think these people don't have second, third homes.
mans0nh 2 years ago
So if I spent MY money on a third T.V, you have the right to smash my on of my T.Vs on the fact that I have two more, because of a THEORY of global warming?
Tommy9834 2 years ago
If you would wake up, the global warming issue is just one of the major problems.
First of global warming isn't a theory, it is a fact, the theory is whether or not humans are causing.
Outside of that, there is basic land degredation, natural ecosystem destruction, and oh right peak oil.
Oh and yes I would smash your tv if it were a significant impact on your economic value and you were profiting from the destruction of our planet. Did you not read that part. Its not because you have one.
mans0nh 2 years ago
Oh so you admit that there is no conclusive proof that humans are causing this "global warming", yet before we get this conclusive proof, these assholes has the right to punish other people.
P.S if you smash my T.V, or some other supposedly environmentally harmful things that belong to me, it'll just result in lawsuits which will result in me buying in two or three more of whatever you bought. (Also your face might or might not be smashed as well.)
Tommy9834 2 years ago
And if your wrong, were fucked. And no i didn't say there wasn't proof.
And i don't think global warming will kill the masses. Most will be dead long before that.
So they should be doing what they are doing. Fighting for the environment started long before we knew about global warming.
Corruption, greed, exploitation, suffering, genocide, human brutality to each other and the planet came along long before.
Wake the fuck and save your children, your friends children, your families lives.
mans0nh 2 years ago
I love how your trying to play the guilt trick by mentioning the future generation, yet at the same time, your supporting acts like these that inflict maximum "ECONOMIC" damage based on an "IF", further increasing the debt, that the very same future generation which you brought up, are gonna have to repay. Yea so they'll have a few more animals they can see on the Discovery channel, sucks thought that they got this huge debt that we left them.
Tommy9834 2 years ago
Don't pull that bull card out.
The economy causes the problem.
I care about the people who suffer, but I want them to suffer as little as possble. If we ignore the crash that will come (not if) then it will be very bad.
If the economy were to not exists most of the population of the world would be instantly better off.
The higher power countries rape the resources from the rest.
So you want me to accept this destruction of other people for my own.
Don't you pull guilt crap.
mans0nh 2 years ago
I have no idea what you were trying to say. All I was trying to say was, "you said care about the next generation" i said "don't tell me to care for them when your the one saying we should increase the debt they have to repay"
From what I understood, you seem to want to have your cake and eat it. You don't want the economy to exist, because higher powers rape smaller worlds for their resources, yet if there was no economy, there is no civilization, unless you want to return the barter system
Tommy9834 2 years ago
First of all, torching houses is not good for the environment. Torching is inherently destructive, especially towards the environment. Second of all, violence is inherently destructive and immoral, which is, of course, the reason why monopolies of violence always destroy themselves. It is not feasible to initiate violence against the state in an attempt to overthrow it since the state is, by definition, a literal monopoly of violence. You will be faced with overwhelming force if you resist it.
LastTrueLiberal 2 years ago
class war
bob44466 2 years ago
YOU BELONG IN JAIL.......
BIGSKYHAL50 2 years ago
You belong in a zoo.
SleepySkeptic 2 years ago
You belong in a zoo along with the other animals who can't control their irrational aggressive impulses.
LastTrueLiberal 2 years ago
ya, sure, destroying other peoples property is ok with you people. Yours is coming.......
BIGSKYHAL50 2 years ago
typical. its ok with you people to do such things to others....and why? because the houses were to close to a creek.....betten that stretch of creek was in better shape (or will be) than the rest......
BIGSKYHAL50 2 years ago
All of those hippies can Duck my Sick!
DouchePedia 2 years ago
idk how u feel about animal rights but if u think elf is great u have to check out the alf they're AMAZING!
but i guess ur opinion on them depends on ur opinion on animal rights. But check out some of their videos. :)
imtryn2findabalance 3 years ago
i'm front woodinville, these houses were about two miles from where i live. they're monstrously huge, and ruined a fair amount of wild life to do it. those who think there is a flaw in the logic in burning down houses are fairly short sighted. yes, burning down one house is probably worse than letting it stay, but these fires caused the building insurance to go up so that neighboring houses can't be built. In the long run, there is a benefit.
Fuck McMansions.
ByronMBoon 3 years ago 3
This is what I see.
"I fucking hate rich people; they don't get to have large houses because we can't afford them either. Those jerks. Let's burn their houses and force them to live in smaller houses."
balkthor 3 years ago
i had a 5 thousand square foot house on a country club near there. my property cost more than the ones that got burned because of its location on the course. hypocritical? perhaps. but i didn't choose to build there, my parents did.
ByronMBoon 2 years ago
Veal FTW
steeda049 3 years ago 2
Just thought I would point out one thing. eating meat and using animal product is one of the earths most damaging industries.
scorpk8 3 years ago
If not the most .. well said scorpk8
AnimalMagic1 3 years ago
Awesome
MagDuke 3 years ago 3
No one got hurt, good work
andreasjh 3 years ago 2
I detest people who drive automobiles because of emissions which hurt the environment.
So I just threw a pipe bomb in your house and set your car on fire while you were away.
No one got hurt, good work.
Sounds fair, doesn't it?
balkthor 3 years ago
You incite fear and TERROR, to further your agenda, you are a terrorist. ELF=Terrorists.
Terrorism- the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion.
So there are people that know this, yet say their not terrorists.
GuyBelowFails 3 years ago
I'm amused at how many people your comment, while both concise and well thought out, were offended by your comment.
Apparently ELF supporters shun logic.
Let's take a simple office assistant who works at an animal testing facility. He's a good man, wants to do what he can to improve quality of life, cares for the animals best he can, etc.
Yet he lives in CONSTANT fear for his life because of the ELF.
That, friends, is terrorism.
balkthor 3 years ago
You know what it is, these people know the truth, that ELF are terrorists, but they convinced themselves that they're not, and hid all their doubt in the back of their heads, but when someone like me comes and reminds everyone about the truth, that doubt surfaces again and they're annoyed at that. I mean if they knew for a fact that they're not terrorist, they wouldn't be bothered by statements like mine right?
GuyBelowFails 3 years ago
I really have a problem with how so many people form theyre opinions before, or without ever even looking into the facts. If you listened to what this man was saying you would have heard that the earth liberation front would never hurt a human being as stated in their primary rules to not act in violence towards any animal human or non human.
pinkmeme123 3 years ago
And?
I'm fully aware that they're adamant about not harming people. (Consequently, I don't believe I ever made a claim that they'd cause physical harm to another person.) But they are into harming property. And imagine coming home and seeing your entire life (house, property, and everything in it) burned to the ground simply because of where you work.
Sure, they didn't physically harm a person. Does that mean they didn't harm them emotionally?
balkthor 3 years ago
im from woodinville. when the ELF burns down houses they burn down houses being built that still belong to the development companies. that way individuals don't lose stuff. the mcmansions are empty, even of furniture and stuff like that. this video doesn't explain that the houses weren't even finished.
ByronMBoon 3 years ago
"that way individuals don't lose stuff..." You are very naive to believe that vandalism against valuable property does not damage the welfare of any people. Shareholders are people.
LastTrueLiberal 2 years ago
You're right. Shareholders are technically people.
SleepySkeptic 2 years ago
By the way, I live in Lynnwood. So yeah, I actually take this issue personally. See my comment from 6 days ago (regarding a pipe bomb).
balkthor 3 years ago
Why isn't everyone burning down houses?
Really?
hikeskool 3 years ago
Please tell me this clown is serious about condemning deer hunting...
Try a little bit harder. This is embarrassing for the both of us.
He probably also thinks the hockey stick points to doom, corn-based ethanol is a viable "alternative energy", only supports "safe" nuclear and that natural gas is great but domestic drilling must be stopped.
hikeskool 3 years ago
Instead of Japanese I would suggest studying economics (calculus-based), geology or oceanography if you want to delve into this territory.
I suggest "The Prize", "Freakanomics", "The Color of Oil", "Cool It", and "The Millionaire Next Door", in that order, preferably, to start off with.
These are books.
Believe it or not, people still read to garner knowledge.
Polish those off and get back to me.
hikeskool 3 years ago
haha i would have to agree..i just dropped a couple innocent deer this past weekend. Feeding your family is a terrible thing I know. . . And I love how some people feel that every tree, rock, and seashell have a soul or whatever that hippie bullshit is. Wake up I'm no genius but does burning houses down help the environment. Well if it does. While your in Japan take a look around the houses there are side by side. One match may over there, may save the earth but level Japan.Makes alot of sense
firefighter0733 3 years ago
i wonder what the environmental impact of being on Youtube is. You need to manufacture a computer, webcam, software. Use up electricity to work you're computer. And watch these webcasts. So what's the cost to an ELF
loonyTunes86 3 years ago 2
I posted the last message as a kind of pavlovian impulse and while watching the beginning of the video. Just watched it all.
Thanks for posting it, and for your nice and intelligent words on the ELF, on violence/non-violence, acting up/not having the "balls" to act, etc.
It's rare to see someone publicly speaking in favor of ELF or other people's actions + describing the way the Media are distorting everything, creating some kind of parallel reality (VIOLENCE/HORROR - Watch us! Be afraid!) ;)
khayyam847 3 years ago
The Elves are back...
;D
khayyam847 3 years ago
Go ELF!!!
TheNomadicCat 3 years ago 4
to anyone who believes the destruction of private property is without merit: i suggest you recall the incident of the Boston Tea Party, for one.
cheers to the elf.
chemicalexistnce 3 years ago 3
that was a totally different matter dumbshit. how does taxation without representation relate to burning down homes?? please explain that to me. support marijauna reform.
MrBubonicChronic 3 years ago
you're right, it was a completely different matter. that is why i was referring to the tactics used in achieving change (the direct destruction of property), not the issues in question.
chemicalexistnce 3 years ago
but wouldn't the direct destruction of property just piss people off??? i know i'd be pissed if someone destroyed my property.
MrBubonicChronic 3 years ago
absolutely. that's the point. the philosophy the ELF stands by is that if in a capitalist society, something you are doing suddenly becomes a financial loss rather than a source of potential profits (due to arson), you will stop doing it.
when destroying the environment becomes unprofitable, they will cease to do it.
chemicalexistnce 3 years ago
It is a necessary action to piss some people off. I'm sure Charles Manson was pissed off at the police when they arrested him for all his accounts of murders.
pinkmeme123 3 years ago
ELF :-)
sandbreak2 3 years ago 3
fisty1970 - "You probably not stupid, but you close yourself off from people with different opinions. I would dearly love to know why."
I chose to wash my hands entirely of criminals. Particularly those being unscientific & damaging the real cause.
Another example are the alf. I do medical research into pain medication. There is NO way this research can be done without animal testing. That is reality.
And yet spoiled children (who depend on the modern medicine) protest. Fuck em.
conotoxin 3 years ago
ignorant puss-bag
concen 3 years ago 2
so do you really think that when we artificially give animals diseases that humans might acquire just from being alive or however they got them, that the tests to prevent or slow down the disease will have the same affect as if it was there naturally? also, how can we be so sure that the side affects that for example a dog would have, would be the same as a human?
skanarchists 3 years ago
Veganism is a dogmatic, hypocritical, elitist form of acult.
Know how many animals are killled every year in the machinery used to grow your precious crops? Know how many wild life habitats are destroyed to make room for your fucking cabbage?
And don't bother saying "Well, your meat diet does the same!" because I'm not the one giving other peole a moral guilt trip about it.
puresrtrash 3 years ago
yeah i do eat meat every day i lov bacon, steak, chicken, all somthered in a-1. but i do recycle i collect my trash and seperate everything. but animals are here for us to eat we are the dominate species. i have a dog but hes a pet, nothing more in my family. theres helping and then theres nut jobs "helping" by setting fires and destroying others property thats whats wrong. get a life
cowboys1983 3 years ago 2
Animals are here for us to eat ?
What is that ?
Were you brainwashed by christians ?
Animals, which includes humans actually, are here. No fors or whys, they are just here.
Property is meaningless compared with causing deliberate suffering.
You can't compare factory farming and damage to the environment and vivisection to a house being burned down.
You just can't.
Vivisectioners and Factory farmers should have there property destroyed, again and again and again and again and again.
fisty1970 3 years ago
fisty1970 - Humans are omnivores. So yes, we eat animals. Spare us your pseudoscientific bullshit & get a job.
Oh... and BTW, come try to burn my property. Your family will learn to their sorry what a good shot I am.
conotoxin 3 years ago
obvious typo: sorry > sorrow.
But hey, if you really want to make a statement about not impacting the environment, then stop buying any form of food & using computers & electricity. Clothe yourself in leaves (since you cannot use animal skins or any corporate manufactured clothing) and feed yourself using foraging and gathering only.
Oh... and no medicine, antibiotics, heating or cooling for you.
I give you 1 month life expectancy without the civilisation you hate.
conotoxin 3 years ago
I'm not sure what is psuedoscientific about what I said. We're animals, so we could at least extend the same compassion towards other species as we to do ourselves.
I have a Job, by the way, but nice stereoptyping, it makes you look very well informed.
I'm not sure why you think that I would have no clothing, medicine or heating if there were no factory farms or vivisectionists, but as to my hating civilistation, I hate parts of it that we should move past.
fisty1970 3 years ago