@danangsam semua agama itu adalah bagian dari budaya.contoh paling gampang: kalau kau lahir di afganistan,prosentasi untuk jadi islam lebih besar, karena mereka budayanya islam. kalau kau lahir di amerika,prosentasi untuk jadi kristen lebih besar, karena mereka budayanya kristen. jadi agama (apapun) adalah budaya dan budaya adalah buatan manusia, agama adalah buatan manusia.
@theKribow saya lahir di taiwan,dan agama saya islam,padahal di taiwan mayoritas atheis,budha,tao????kamu bukan islam,jadi agamamu itu buatan manusia. dan saya islam, agama islam bukan buatan manusia. kalo kamu islam berarti kamu orang islam yang goblok.tapi kalo kamu bukan islam, maklumlah...
@danangsam tolong donk bukti kalau islam itu bukan buatan manusia. kalau buktinya cuman alquran, katolik dan kristen punya bukti alkitab, kalau hindu punya skripsi2, kalau budha punya tripitaka, dll. kalau kau bilang alquran satu2nya yang benar, apa bedanya kau sama saja kaya anak kecil yang percaya kalau dibilangin kelinci paskah bener2 ada. dan yang saya bilang prosentasi, emangnya di afgan gak ada katolik? emangnya di amerika gakada islam? ada juga, tapi minoritas.
@theKribow haha komenmu lucu. aku islam,dan agamaku bukan buatan manusia. aku tidak pernah belajar agama lain,jadi aku tidak tahu agama lain siapa yang buat. bukti?? percuma jika kamu bukan islam. aku jalankan agamaku, kamu jalankan ''budayamu''. toleransi, itss no offense.
@danangsam mungkin memang lucu,tapi bagaimanakah kau bisa tau bahwa agamamu yang paling benar kalau kau tidak pernah mau belajar atau mengenal agama lain? lalu emangnya kenapa percuma kalau aq bukan islam, siapa tau kalau kau bisa buktikan agamamu yang paling benar ke aq, aq bisa masuk islam.bukankah bagus pahalanya buatmu?apa gunanya membuktikan islam itu paling benar ke orang yang sudah islam? sama aja bilang membuktikan 1x1 =1 ke profesor matematik. anggeplah bahan untuk berpikir kritis :)
@theKribow haha... aku ga pernah bilang agamaku paling benar,aku islam agamaku bukan buatan manusia,itu saja. cukuplah agamaku bagiku,kamu jalankan agamamu.
@theKribow agama itu hakiki,tidak bisa dipaksakan.dan perbedaan itu nyata adanya dan akan selalu ada,perbedaan tidak bisa disamakan.rasa toleransi yang tinggi dari pribadi masing2,akan membuat kita menghargai perbedaan2 itu sendiri. kedamaian itu tenteram.
@batSkull22 Abangan/Kejawan is the Javanese mystical tradition, Sufi Islam is a big influence along with older beliefs from Hindu-Buddhism and earlier indiginous beliefs. The people can only officially align under labels of Islam, Catholic, Protestant (oddly not just Christian) Hinduism, Buddhism and Confucianism. Religious traditions like Agama Java, Wektu Telu, Kahiringan,Sa dan Toraja are not recognised and there are many hundreds.
tidak hairan selepas ini pasti akan ada lagi gempa bumi didaerah ini atau sekitar provinsi lain di indon... yang nya bangsa ini tidak pernah rasa bersyukur.. malahan mengutuk serta menghina bangsa lain..pengajaran untuk anjing2 lanagejagad, kopassus.. rencongaceh, warrior pondan. gombress si anak flores serta yang lainnya.. AWAS??? tak lama lagi kawasan anda akan di landa bencana... dan lho orang akan bakal jadi anjing kurap meyarap minta bantuan dari kami lagi....hahahaah
@archerstarr apa yang lho merepekkan ni anjing... orang malaysia ngak akan pernah kehilangan orang pintar tidak seperti bangsa lho.. bodoh amat.. bajingan sejak jaman belanda lagi.. ngomong aje gede tapi penakut..beraninye kroyok ramai2 kalu 1 sama 1 udah terkencing lari masuk rumah..peh..
@maharis2000 Dont wirte is if all you can do is write nonsensical comments. Dewa and Dewi are gods, their very definition is demi-god. Dont impose islamic interpretation on Hindu-buddhist religion. Agama Jawa /(Kejawan) the real religion of the Javanese and is not the narrow dogmatic Islam that one finds in other parts of the world. God and demi-god are different, educate yourself before writing.
Well thanks for the note,will check the definition of the word.My comment was based on what i understand and the way i see reality.Every Soul is part of the Divine and even if we see our self as separate in reality we are all one.Some physicist are coming to know this.There is only Oneness therefore there is only one God.Yet i believe there are also unseen beings that are also part of this union and by calling them God you place them higher as yourself and by doing so deny the divine within you.
@maharis2000 yes, but you dont seem to understand that god i.e a demi-god or dewa (Deva) is NOT referring to the oneness of Brahman or Sanyang Widhi. Oneness is the obvious message of Hinduism i,e. its all Brahman.
@kumarsa108 Yet these people are obviously Muslims.According to Muslim definition only the absolute can be called God which Hindus may call Brahman.What Hindus call dewa cannot mean God according to Islamic definition.They may use Sanskrit terms because of Hindu influence in the pass. Just like Christians in Indonesia may use the Arabic word "Allah" referring to God without sharing the same theological concepts as Muslims do.Words can at best point to the truth but are never the Truth it self.
@maharis2000 Are they obviously muslims? No they are not strictly speaking. Islam is an imposed definition. What Javanese have praciced for centuries is Agama Jawa. It is a syncretic religion of which sufi Islam is only the latest veneer. When Indonesia became independant the ruling government only Recognised Islam and christianity and many who did not identify under them were liable to be deemed communists and some 500,000 people were massacred only later were other world religions recognised.
@kumarsa108 even now Agama Jawa is not recognised by the government including many hundreds of religions that are unique to the Indonesian region. The so called Kejawan the majority of Javas population are not Muslims as one would see amongst Malays or Arabs. Their islamic influence is tawasuf and that form of Islam is not bound by dogmatic interpretation, it is mysticism that transcends boundaries and is the only reason that Indonesia can stay as one nation.
@kumarsa108 You mean "Tasawuf"?..another word for sufism? Are you Javanese? Well, I agree with Sufi teachings. Don't assume that I'm dogmatic. I just heard in the Videos how their were chanting "Lailahaillallah" meaning There is no deity except for God. Now why would they chant such words? Can they believe what they are chanting and at the same time call these Spirits Gods? In no way am I judging what they are doing. And I don't doubt these Spirits may exist.
@maharis2000 Just wondering if they use the words "Dewa or Dewi" the same way as Hindus do. If they don't, then it should be translated differently. Because for Muslims who don't speak Javanese it seems that they are not Muslims because of having other gods beside Him. Looking at the comments here the topic even created some tensions. Just to be fair. What do you think? btw, I don't know your religion, and I don't mean to insult you or your believe system. Peace
@maharis2000 In Indonesia everyone has to label themselves according a very restricted number of religions. Originally it was just Islam and Christianity. After the massacres and the determination of the Balinese, the ancient relgions of Indonesia; Hinduism and Buddhism were recognised, only in the last few years Confucianism was recognised. However the religion of the majoirty of people in truth is not the Islam you might know. There are many hundreds of expressions of religion.
@maharis2000 Dewa/Dewi is as per Hinduism for many, as I have said there many layers and expressions of religion. It is a deeply mystical country. The santri or so-called 'Pure' Muslims are a minority, but they wish to eradicate all other forms of belief within Javanese Islam whereas the majoirty of Javanese are Kejawan and follow Abangan Islam, the hybrid faith that embraces the heart of what Javanese faith is. The latter many muslims in the world would not regard as Islam.
@kumarsa108 Well, there are many religious tradition and labels in this world. Even two persons from the same Religion wouldn't agree on everything. Yet there is only one Reality. The way i see it: There is only one God.
I guess all Americans should move off the flood plains...I keep seeing the same house floating away every year, or everyone should move out of California because of earthquakes...get real.
@ujang1726 benar sekali!!! jagalah makanan padang (sumatra) indonesia, baju batik (jawa) indonesia yang mau kalian klaim dan lagu rasa sayange (ambon) indonesia yang sudah kalian klaim.
Instead of settling down at a volcanic eruption prone area n pointing fingers to each other 2 find fault , why can't they leave the area...n live elsewhere?
Because its tradition to remain at a dangerous location??
Islam is NO RELIGION but TOTALITARY POWER MAFIA IDEOLOGY which includes: -removal of democracy - end of freedom in pluralism -a countries politics (national affairs-international affairs) -a countries legislation (sharia) -a countries executive (forces of public order,religion police, spies) -a countries military strategy -the peoples (religious and political) believes, opinions,activity -womens a.childrens subjugation -the peoples sexual orientiation -the peoples privacy -FASCISM!!!
@bejobistro sepertinya hanya yang telah didogma oleh agama Ibrahim (Yahudi, Kristen, Islam) yang selalu berani mengatakan kalau ajaran dan tradisi yang lain adalah salah dan kuno.... kenyataannya: kepercayaan Jawa adalah asli dari tanah Jawa dan bukan kepercayaan impor dari Timur Tengah ataupun Eropa..... dari, untuk dan oleh rakyat kita... yang kita harus lakukan adalah menjaga, menyempurnakan dan melestarikannya... cintai dan hargailan produk bangsa sendiri....!
@bejobistro islam menurut gw juga kuno,soalnya udah ketinggalan jaman(sejak 1500 tahun yang lalu),dulu lom ada namanya perkembangbiakan babi secara sehat dan benar yah terang aja babi jadi hewan kotor,kl dulu flu burung beredar>gw jamin burung bakalan jadi hewan kotor juga kaya babi.orang asli dari arab sampe skrg gak bisa jaga diri kl minum alkohol(berlebihan kaya anak kecil),makanya alkohol dilarang,orang sadar aja bunuh2an apalagi mabok.
lol.. melayu itu bodoh, ga punya kebudayaan, ga punya kreativitas. jawa dari dulu adalah peradaban yang hebat dengan kebudayaan yang besar. loe ga akan pernah dapat capai itu! AHAHAHAHA
Malaysia ada the Tallest Twin tower in East Asia! Indo ada apa... borobudur pula hampir dimusnahkan oleh Extremist Islam Jemaah Islamiyah!
Ada Sejarah dan keagungan ketamadunan tetapi Islam pikin hancurkan segala!
Saya sendiri pernah melihat student dari orang jawa Muslim yang belajar di university di malaysia yang malu dengan kehadiran Kerajaan Hindu serta Buddha di tanah Jawa!
dia bilang kerajaan itu tidak patut ADA di Indonesia! LOL
melayu ada rendang...melayu ada baju teluk belanga..melayu ada ketupat...melayu ada silat...melayu ada keris (jawa pun ada)..melayu ada adat....melayu ada sriwijaya..melayu ada melaka...melayu ada langkasuka...melayu ada kutai kartanegara....malayu ada pan pan...melayu ada pasai acheh...melayu ada sumatera...melayu ada selatan thai..melayu ada semenanjung tanah melayu..melay ada borneo..melayu ada mindanao...jawa hanya ada pulau sebesar kontol..jawa kaum hamba abdi...matilah JOWO!
lol satu satunya alasan melayu goblok punya itu adalah karena JAWA. ahahahah. semua kebudayaan melayu yang 'tinggi': seperti keris, gamelan dan kebudayaan lainnya BERASAL DARI JAWA. Karena melayu itu nggak berbudaya dan nggak punya kemampuan kebudayaan. DASAR MELAYU GOBLOK. MATI AJA GA BERGUNA BUAT DUNIA.
Saya sgt kecewa dgn org Indonesia spt kamu yang sgt suka menghina bangsa saya. Kamu ingat Indonesia itu cuma Jawa sajakah? Suku2lain dlm Indonesia tu xlayak dihormatikah? Kamu kata kami Melayu goblok, tapi Jawa itu bagus sgtkah? Kekayaan daerah kami semua ditarik ke pusat. X berbudayakamu kata, tapi banyak budaya kami yg kamu gaduhkan dgn negara jiran. Bilakah agaknya Indonesia akan menghormati kami suku Melayu, yg juga merupakan rakyatnya?
@tengkualam assalamualaikum, liat komen km aku bisa mengerti perasaan km. memang kebanyakan org2 indo di youtube yg tidak suka dgn malaysia,kebanyakan mereka menganggap suku melayu hanya terdapat di malaysia,dan mereka selalu mengarah bahwa melayu itu malaysia.padahal itu salah besar,melayu yg asal usulnya dr sumatera,memang sekarang melayu menjadi mayoritas di malaysia,tapi ada juga suku melayu di indonesia sendiri.dan sayang sekali orang2 indo yg bodo ini tidak tau akan hal itu,..-bersambung-
@tengkualam dan org2 indo yg sperti itu,memang sengaja memandang buruk melayu(malaysia),tanpa menujukan ke melayu yg d indonesia sendiri.tp memang secara tidak sengaja,org2 indo itu telah menyakiti suku melayu yg diindonesia sendiri. harap maklum bg org2 indo ini,mereka berpikiran pendek. salut untuk komen kamu disini,postkan jg komen2mu yg sperti ini di lain video,agar org2 indo yg tidak tau biar tau bahwa melayu itu juga sebagian dr indonesia. assalamualiakum
@mrparezi lol... melayu asal usulnya dr sumatera,silat asli dari minangkabau,keris asli dari jawa,sriwijaya di palembang,pasai bukan melayu. majapahit kerajaan terbesar penguasa nusantara.
why all of you did not listen the news? it was earthquake! it was not destitute or poor! why did you not see it! why? are you all well educated?! hah?!
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at least Philippines are more better that indo. cause indo come to malay became maid and slaves. come to s'pore became maid and slaves. come to middle-east also became slaves. indo is slaves industry.
what the fuck is wrong with the filipinos? we don't fuckin care about those shity sick man of asia, with a non-existent economy and whose only way to exist is to become a maid. jeez... the filipins isn't comparable to us. Indonesia is much more superior..
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I was only defending my country against those shithead Indonesians from spreading hate for my country. We all know that Philippines will always remain 3 years ahead of Indonesia. So if anything we should be laughing at them first!
well i'm actually very interested in indonesia, especially javanese culture and yogyakarta so don't assume all filipinos don't like your country. sorry it may sound disappointing to you but many of our traditions and cultural nuances are very similar with yours. so there is no need to hate. we are all humans. have a nice day friend.
i guess everyone should also watch Indigenous American Prophecy. It is very similar to what the javanese people in this video are prophesizing about the fate of the world. so NO HATING people. stop acting childish.
the way you talk and the way you refer to your neighbor determines the scale of stupidity you have. i have much respect for indonesian people and indonesia. you are an exception. dumbass
oh yeah?u're respect indonesian ppl?so why u here to see this video?want to make bad comments to my country?u're stupid..every fil in this video give bad comments in this video,like fil doesn't never get disaster..pathetic..GO! from videos that only dedicated for indonesian ppl..i hate filipinos pathetic like you,isangbobongpinoy and kramnirdla!
you don't know how to read do you? i understand you hate me for what i posted because you clearly don't understand what i am talking about. you are pathetic. you tend to judge quickly. anyway, i won't let people like you to color my perception about indonesian people. i have lots of indonesian friends actually.
well as they always say, not all apples in the basket are rotten. so long. i don't like childish war.
i am actually endorsing people to watch another video which is actually related to this video. i am not giving bad comments to YOUR country but to SOME PEOPLE (yes you know who you are).
hey likemikey93 !!what the heck !! this is about disaster, got nothing to do with blamming anybody or whatever !!!
look im chinese indonesian my self.. and i live and work in germany now but i love Indonesia.. its " nothing better than home sweet home INDONESIA " so shut the fuck up !!
remmber first time Spanish and Portuguse came to Southeast Asia they both in east indonesia killing each other finally portuges kicked spanish to philipines the winner get the good stuff the loser get not so good stuff even after centuries eroupean still killing each other for our land no1 bother spanish couse it kinda not worth it ...
dont u see the video describtion it say java's god not muslim's god u dumbass or u dont even read or do u even watch the video oh w8 i forgot u here just to spread shit not the video!dude just bak to ur country and make the slutty president conflict done then come here xD
hey. It's not like Indonesians blaming others for all their problems is news to anyone else.
Indonesia has something called a mix of corruption and racism. Meaning if there are economic problems, they blame the rich Chinese, if there are religious problems, they blame the superior Christian Filipinos.
Now that there is a rise in the sex industry in Indonesia, Indonesians are even starting to blame their own women for this problem.
Where next? Are you gonna blame America this time?
wat pinoy then ??i live in middleeast the only prostitue u can get is pinoy its everywer ur girl become sluts even in indonesia or singapore ahahahaha maybe u shouyld visit jakarta and see if wat u said about it is true and u can also sleep wit pinoy chick for around 60 buck for a nite hahahaha
indonesia is a shithole. even worse than piglipines, LOL. pathetic. i have no respect for indonesian people like you who just come to our videos and say something bad about our country. now we are bringing the karma back. INDOGSIALANS!
If you asked the people'll asnwer as you wished. Well,you'll get it.
Doesnt mean Indonesia is completely the same as you think. Diz report isnt FAIR,u have to ask people which competent to issues that you cover. Thats make you looks More PROFFESIONAL.
And Will not Publish such a Crap and Tendensius cover story like this.
Many kind of Islam among World right now, Javanesse Moslem is one of a thousand Kind. All of Moslem onlu Pray to ALLAH not others.
gak apa2. smua agama sama. smua agama mengajar tentang percintaan. Allah gak peduli tentang agamamu tapi tentang hidup Anda itu baik.
deafrider 6 months ago
agama islam itu hakiki, karna bukan buatan manusia. sedangkan budaya itu buatan manusia.
danangsam 8 months ago
@danangsam semua agama itu adalah bagian dari budaya.contoh paling gampang: kalau kau lahir di afganistan,prosentasi untuk jadi islam lebih besar, karena mereka budayanya islam. kalau kau lahir di amerika,prosentasi untuk jadi kristen lebih besar, karena mereka budayanya kristen. jadi agama (apapun) adalah budaya dan budaya adalah buatan manusia, agama adalah buatan manusia.
theKribow 6 months ago
@theKribow saya lahir di taiwan,dan agama saya islam,padahal di taiwan mayoritas atheis,budha,tao????kamu bukan islam,jadi agamamu itu buatan manusia. dan saya islam, agama islam bukan buatan manusia. kalo kamu islam berarti kamu orang islam yang goblok.tapi kalo kamu bukan islam, maklumlah...
danangsam 6 months ago
@danangsam tolong donk bukti kalau islam itu bukan buatan manusia. kalau buktinya cuman alquran, katolik dan kristen punya bukti alkitab, kalau hindu punya skripsi2, kalau budha punya tripitaka, dll. kalau kau bilang alquran satu2nya yang benar, apa bedanya kau sama saja kaya anak kecil yang percaya kalau dibilangin kelinci paskah bener2 ada. dan yang saya bilang prosentasi, emangnya di afgan gak ada katolik? emangnya di amerika gakada islam? ada juga, tapi minoritas.
theKribow 6 months ago
@theKribow haha komenmu lucu. aku islam,dan agamaku bukan buatan manusia. aku tidak pernah belajar agama lain,jadi aku tidak tahu agama lain siapa yang buat. bukti?? percuma jika kamu bukan islam. aku jalankan agamaku, kamu jalankan ''budayamu''. toleransi, itss no offense.
danangsam 6 months ago
@danangsam mungkin memang lucu,tapi bagaimanakah kau bisa tau bahwa agamamu yang paling benar kalau kau tidak pernah mau belajar atau mengenal agama lain? lalu emangnya kenapa percuma kalau aq bukan islam, siapa tau kalau kau bisa buktikan agamamu yang paling benar ke aq, aq bisa masuk islam.bukankah bagus pahalanya buatmu?apa gunanya membuktikan islam itu paling benar ke orang yang sudah islam? sama aja bilang membuktikan 1x1 =1 ke profesor matematik. anggeplah bahan untuk berpikir kritis :)
theKribow 6 months ago
@theKribow haha... aku ga pernah bilang agamaku paling benar,aku islam agamaku bukan buatan manusia,itu saja. cukuplah agamaku bagiku,kamu jalankan agamamu.
danangsam 6 months ago
@danangsam buat gw loe termasuk cinta buta..tapi i like ur attitude, coba semua islam/muslim kaya loe...peace bro
theKribow 6 months ago
@theKribow agama itu hakiki,tidak bisa dipaksakan.dan perbedaan itu nyata adanya dan akan selalu ada,perbedaan tidak bisa disamakan.rasa toleransi yang tinggi dari pribadi masing2,akan membuat kita menghargai perbedaan2 itu sendiri. kedamaian itu tenteram.
danangsam 6 months ago
kejawen itu salah
darahtumerah 1 year ago
Java tradition? Is it the same religion as Islam Abangan or something that I heard? No?
batSkull22 1 year ago
@batSkull22 Abangan/Kejawan is the Javanese mystical tradition, Sufi Islam is a big influence along with older beliefs from Hindu-Buddhism and earlier indiginous beliefs. The people can only officially align under labels of Islam, Catholic, Protestant (oddly not just Christian) Hinduism, Buddhism and Confucianism. Religious traditions like Agama Java, Wektu Telu, Kahiringan,Sa dan Toraja are not recognised and there are many hundreds.
kumarsa108 1 year ago
Hahahahaha bodoh nya Indooonnn...
mancunianforever 1 year ago
@mancunianforever kamu tu yang goblok ga tau diri
vercantino 1 year ago
tidak hairan selepas ini pasti akan ada lagi gempa bumi didaerah ini atau sekitar provinsi lain di indon... yang nya bangsa ini tidak pernah rasa bersyukur.. malahan mengutuk serta menghina bangsa lain..pengajaran untuk anjing2 lanagejagad, kopassus.. rencongaceh, warrior pondan. gombress si anak flores serta yang lainnya.. AWAS??? tak lama lagi kawasan anda akan di landa bencana... dan lho orang akan bakal jadi anjing kurap meyarap minta bantuan dari kami lagi....hahahaah
otairock70 1 year ago
secara nyata malaysia minta bantuan sama china buat balas dendam ngehack situs indonesia...
yang dihack juga situs ya...seperti itulah....standard
"bla..bla..bla
BY: China / Malaysia Hacker Union
bla...bla..bla"
aih...kehabisan orang pintar ni malay nampaknya
archerstarr 1 year ago
@archerstarr apa yang lho merepekkan ni anjing... orang malaysia ngak akan pernah kehilangan orang pintar tidak seperti bangsa lho.. bodoh amat.. bajingan sejak jaman belanda lagi.. ngomong aje gede tapi penakut..beraninye kroyok ramai2 kalu 1 sama 1 udah terkencing lari masuk rumah..peh..
otairock70 1 year ago
@otairock70 yeah...terserah lo aja deh...lo kesini gw mutilasi
archerstarr 6 months ago
kejawen gila!
cromodora 1 year ago
yang punya wahyu jaman pak harto itu bu tien. bu tien meninggal, semuanya bubar... :(
voncobain 1 year ago
ratu kidul :))
johanizahri 1 year ago
Fucking pinoy
FisabilillahSoldier 1 year ago
Dewa & Dewi should not be translated with "gods". There are such entities, but don't call them gods. For there is only one God.
maharis2000 1 year ago
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kumarsa108 1 year ago
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@maharis2000 Dont wirte is if all you can do is write nonsensical comments. Dewa and Dewi are gods, their very definition is demi-god. Dont impose islamic interpretation on Hindu-buddhist religion. Agama Jawa /(Kejawan) the real religion of the Javanese and is not the narrow dogmatic Islam that one finds in other parts of the world. God and demi-god are different, educate yourself before writing.
kumarsa108 1 year ago
Well thanks for the note,will check the definition of the word.My comment was based on what i understand and the way i see reality.Every Soul is part of the Divine and even if we see our self as separate in reality we are all one.Some physicist are coming to know this.There is only Oneness therefore there is only one God.Yet i believe there are also unseen beings that are also part of this union and by calling them God you place them higher as yourself and by doing so deny the divine within you.
maharis2000 1 year ago
@maharis2000 yes, but you dont seem to understand that god i.e a demi-god or dewa (Deva) is NOT referring to the oneness of Brahman or Sanyang Widhi. Oneness is the obvious message of Hinduism i,e. its all Brahman.
kumarsa108 1 year ago
@kumarsa108 Yet these people are obviously Muslims.According to Muslim definition only the absolute can be called God which Hindus may call Brahman.What Hindus call dewa cannot mean God according to Islamic definition.They may use Sanskrit terms because of Hindu influence in the pass. Just like Christians in Indonesia may use the Arabic word "Allah" referring to God without sharing the same theological concepts as Muslims do.Words can at best point to the truth but are never the Truth it self.
maharis2000 1 year ago
@maharis2000 Are they obviously muslims? No they are not strictly speaking. Islam is an imposed definition. What Javanese have praciced for centuries is Agama Jawa. It is a syncretic religion of which sufi Islam is only the latest veneer. When Indonesia became independant the ruling government only Recognised Islam and christianity and many who did not identify under them were liable to be deemed communists and some 500,000 people were massacred only later were other world religions recognised.
kumarsa108 1 year ago
@kumarsa108 even now Agama Jawa is not recognised by the government including many hundreds of religions that are unique to the Indonesian region. The so called Kejawan the majority of Javas population are not Muslims as one would see amongst Malays or Arabs. Their islamic influence is tawasuf and that form of Islam is not bound by dogmatic interpretation, it is mysticism that transcends boundaries and is the only reason that Indonesia can stay as one nation.
kumarsa108 1 year ago
@kumarsa108 You mean "Tasawuf"?..another word for sufism? Are you Javanese? Well, I agree with Sufi teachings. Don't assume that I'm dogmatic. I just heard in the Videos how their were chanting "Lailahaillallah" meaning There is no deity except for God. Now why would they chant such words? Can they believe what they are chanting and at the same time call these Spirits Gods? In no way am I judging what they are doing. And I don't doubt these Spirits may exist.
maharis2000 1 year ago
@maharis2000 Just wondering if they use the words "Dewa or Dewi" the same way as Hindus do. If they don't, then it should be translated differently. Because for Muslims who don't speak Javanese it seems that they are not Muslims because of having other gods beside Him. Looking at the comments here the topic even created some tensions. Just to be fair. What do you think? btw, I don't know your religion, and I don't mean to insult you or your believe system. Peace
maharis2000 1 year ago
@maharis2000 In Indonesia everyone has to label themselves according a very restricted number of religions. Originally it was just Islam and Christianity. After the massacres and the determination of the Balinese, the ancient relgions of Indonesia; Hinduism and Buddhism were recognised, only in the last few years Confucianism was recognised. However the religion of the majoirty of people in truth is not the Islam you might know. There are many hundreds of expressions of religion.
kumarsa108 1 year ago
@maharis2000 Dewa/Dewi is as per Hinduism for many, as I have said there many layers and expressions of religion. It is a deeply mystical country. The santri or so-called 'Pure' Muslims are a minority, but they wish to eradicate all other forms of belief within Javanese Islam whereas the majoirty of Javanese are Kejawan and follow Abangan Islam, the hybrid faith that embraces the heart of what Javanese faith is. The latter many muslims in the world would not regard as Islam.
kumarsa108 1 year ago
@kumarsa108 Well, there are many religious tradition and labels in this world. Even two persons from the same Religion wouldn't agree on everything. Yet there is only one Reality. The way i see it: There is only one God.
maharis2000 1 year ago
Jawa Setan Besar Asean ..bikin onar segala macam.. dibenci sama negara asean yg lain.
GITOHHHHH !
Utiubman 1 year ago
jgn bisa dibeda2 kan samada malaysia ,indonesia,jawa....kita semua serumpun,..melayu...xperlu laa hina mnghina,...saling bantu mmbntu,...
armanazuki08 1 year ago
kenapa sih harus saling hina disini?
cukup ya kawan2 indonesia..
Allah tau siapa yang benar n siapa yang salah..
selama ini kita tau malaysia banyak nglakuin kesalahan, tp sudahlah biar Allah yang balas..
biar TNI yang nnt bikin mereka berdarah2..
alfisyahrn 2 years ago
@brainexx
I guess all Americans should move off the flood plains...I keep seeing the same house floating away every year, or everyone should move out of California because of earthquakes...get real.
This is what HAARP can do? Look it up...
Subjugation? Dunno, but the destruction is sad.
archimech1138 2 years ago
woi malaysia....tak usah lah kau bnayak cakap...urus dirimu yang maling itu....!!
kimantebable 2 years ago
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ujang1726 2 years ago
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kevar1301 2 years ago
@ujang1726 benar sekali!!! jagalah makanan padang (sumatra) indonesia, baju batik (jawa) indonesia yang mau kalian klaim dan lagu rasa sayange (ambon) indonesia yang sudah kalian klaim.
theKribow 6 months ago
This world had enough already...please don't use your cyber world as the extension of your troublemaker...
SKAILIYA 2 years ago
Instead of settling down at a volcanic eruption prone area n pointing fingers to each other 2 find fault , why can't they leave the area...n live elsewhere?
Because its tradition to remain at a dangerous location??
brianexx 2 years ago
HEY HEY HEY ENOUGH..
TheCorbuzier 2 years ago
Guys... those hate spreader are not pinoys,,, they are you other neighbor you-know-who....
ba6ak 2 years ago
Hitler-Nazi
1.Extermination of non-aryan ethnic groups
2.Extermination of jews and homosexuals
3.Dictatorship of the aryan race over all other races.
4.Installation of totalitarity in all aspects of life and policy
Mohammed-Islam
1.Extermination of so called"unbelievers", subjugation of the book people[dhimmitude]
2.Extermination of jews and homosexuals
3.Dictatorship of muslims over all+man over women [incl.pedophilia]
4.Installation of totalitarity in all aspects of life and policy
megatown 2 years ago
09:22-09:25 what was that??
alvon999 2 years ago
megatown 2 years ago
@ megatown: hahahaha funny to see how retarded you are? don't have any friends? f*ck yourself....wuahhuahuahua.....
ba6ak 2 years ago
answer on essential level or let it be if you dont can
megatown 2 years ago
@ megatown: Oh my... I won't down grade my self to reply your so called "essential" comment....bwuahahahahah
ba6ak 2 years ago
tell this to your "holy" barbar
megatown 2 years ago
megatown tell it to your prostitute mama huahuahua
ba6ak 2 years ago
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megatown 2 years ago
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ba6ak, Thank for showing us your true "holy" face
megatown 2 years ago
you are out of your mind.
awmr5108 2 years ago
no its just global warming get used to it.
th3planetsghost 2 years ago
ini kalo bikin judul sembarangan,kayak ga punya iman saja,,atheis kali yaa.
masbejog21 2 years ago
no!! god is good to chinese. god is friend.
god is nice. god is good to all chinese.
jorulee 2 years ago
like those chinese being killed by uighurs in china? lol.
kewlkewl12 2 years ago
Our Creator is not racist - all living things are precious and sacred
Simirial 2 years ago
HANYA IBLIS YANG SALING MENGHUJAT
tatankasi 2 years ago
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jangyu 2 years ago
Gembong is lie. a stupid boy.
ayib04 2 years ago
I wonder if i have the " Wahyu " or not.
KhmerSerey1 2 years ago
Krakatau happened.. The largest explosion in recorded history. Some people you just cant reach.
His house fell down due to inferior products and poor building standards.
Pick up a book and read about science and physics
buttonmonkey01 2 years ago
jangan gaduh gaduh oo.. xla guna maa..
Jul3s99 2 years ago
jawa dapat berkah ulang ulang bencana
kontolcilikjowo 2 years ago
sebut nama aslimiu dong kalo berani ngoceh disini BANGSAT
presidenkemang 2 years ago
and u are??? an indon tki babu? iiihhhh JIJIK! yuckkkkk
kontolcilikjowo 2 years ago
lol. melayu goblok ga berbudaya kaya loe? ahahaha JIJIK. ga punya OTAK. lol.
kewlkewl12 2 years ago
ajaran yang salah,,islam tidak begitu,,,itu tradisi kuno
bejobistro 2 years ago 6
@bejobistro sepertinya hanya yang telah didogma oleh agama Ibrahim (Yahudi, Kristen, Islam) yang selalu berani mengatakan kalau ajaran dan tradisi yang lain adalah salah dan kuno.... kenyataannya: kepercayaan Jawa adalah asli dari tanah Jawa dan bukan kepercayaan impor dari Timur Tengah ataupun Eropa..... dari, untuk dan oleh rakyat kita... yang kita harus lakukan adalah menjaga, menyempurnakan dan melestarikannya... cintai dan hargailan produk bangsa sendiri....!
sanowasi 1 year ago 5
@bejobistro islam menurut gw juga kuno,soalnya udah ketinggalan jaman(sejak 1500 tahun yang lalu),dulu lom ada namanya perkembangbiakan babi secara sehat dan benar yah terang aja babi jadi hewan kotor,kl dulu flu burung beredar>gw jamin burung bakalan jadi hewan kotor juga kaya babi.orang asli dari arab sampe skrg gak bisa jaga diri kl minum alkohol(berlebihan kaya anak kecil),makanya alkohol dilarang,orang sadar aja bunuh2an apalagi mabok.
theKribow 6 months ago
tiko huana memang keji! tengok lah karmanya!
tikohuana 2 years ago
"Java's mystics believe the island suffers because its people have forgotten their "spiritual traditions"...
...as pressure increases on him and the ruling party to do so, he might have to think again -- to placate the people as much as their Gods."
THAT'S JAVANESE...
^^'
(well, kinda "unbelievable"...)
ayudika 2 years ago
apa!!!!kamu menghina yaa!!
murasm 2 years ago
Let's nuke Krakatau and let it explode!
indonngentotbabi 2 years ago
SEMUANYA ATAS KEHENDAK TUHAN YME.
bcboyss 2 years ago 2
Jawa itu BODOH... pengamal ilmu Hitam!
Jawa Menjadi babi hitam supaya boleh mencuri pada malam hari.
Suit yourselves, FUCKING Javanese!
Your god have gave you, his deadly wrath!
Enak nya tinggal di Borneo, tiada permasalahan! melainkan madurese golbok pikin kacau sama dayak.
sasunoosan 2 years ago
lol.. melayu itu bodoh, ga punya kebudayaan, ga punya kreativitas. jawa dari dulu adalah peradaban yang hebat dengan kebudayaan yang besar. loe ga akan pernah dapat capai itu! AHAHAHAHA
kewlkewl12 2 years ago
saya bukan Melayu! Saya bumiputra!
Malaysia ada the Tallest Twin tower in East Asia! Indo ada apa... borobudur pula hampir dimusnahkan oleh Extremist Islam Jemaah Islamiyah!
Ada Sejarah dan keagungan ketamadunan tetapi Islam pikin hancurkan segala!
Saya sendiri pernah melihat student dari orang jawa Muslim yang belajar di university di malaysia yang malu dengan kehadiran Kerajaan Hindu serta Buddha di tanah Jawa!
dia bilang kerajaan itu tidak patut ADA di Indonesia! LOL
sasunoosan 2 years ago
melayu ada rendang...melayu ada baju teluk belanga..melayu ada ketupat...melayu ada silat...melayu ada keris (jawa pun ada)..melayu ada adat....melayu ada sriwijaya..melayu ada melaka...melayu ada langkasuka...melayu ada kutai kartanegara....malayu ada pan pan...melayu ada pasai acheh...melayu ada sumatera...melayu ada selatan thai..melayu ada semenanjung tanah melayu..melay ada borneo..melayu ada mindanao...jawa hanya ada pulau sebesar kontol..jawa kaum hamba abdi...matilah JOWO!
mrparezi 2 years ago
lol satu satunya alasan melayu goblok punya itu adalah karena JAWA. ahahahah. semua kebudayaan melayu yang 'tinggi': seperti keris, gamelan dan kebudayaan lainnya BERASAL DARI JAWA. Karena melayu itu nggak berbudaya dan nggak punya kemampuan kebudayaan. DASAR MELAYU GOBLOK. MATI AJA GA BERGUNA BUAT DUNIA.
kewlkewl12 2 years ago 2
kewlkewl12,
Saya sgt kecewa dgn org Indonesia spt kamu yang sgt suka menghina bangsa saya. Kamu ingat Indonesia itu cuma Jawa sajakah? Suku2lain dlm Indonesia tu xlayak dihormatikah? Kamu kata kami Melayu goblok, tapi Jawa itu bagus sgtkah? Kekayaan daerah kami semua ditarik ke pusat. X berbudayakamu kata, tapi banyak budaya kami yg kamu gaduhkan dgn negara jiran. Bilakah agaknya Indonesia akan menghormati kami suku Melayu, yg juga merupakan rakyatnya?
Mesej dari warga Indonesia dari Riau
tengkualam 2 years ago
@tengkualam assalamualaikum, liat komen km aku bisa mengerti perasaan km. memang kebanyakan org2 indo di youtube yg tidak suka dgn malaysia,kebanyakan mereka menganggap suku melayu hanya terdapat di malaysia,dan mereka selalu mengarah bahwa melayu itu malaysia.padahal itu salah besar,melayu yg asal usulnya dr sumatera,memang sekarang melayu menjadi mayoritas di malaysia,tapi ada juga suku melayu di indonesia sendiri.dan sayang sekali orang2 indo yg bodo ini tidak tau akan hal itu,..-bersambung-
danangsam 6 months ago
@tengkualam dan org2 indo yg sperti itu,memang sengaja memandang buruk melayu(malaysia),tanpa menujukan ke melayu yg d indonesia sendiri.tp memang secara tidak sengaja,org2 indo itu telah menyakiti suku melayu yg diindonesia sendiri. harap maklum bg org2 indo ini,mereka berpikiran pendek. salut untuk komen kamu disini,postkan jg komen2mu yg sperti ini di lain video,agar org2 indo yg tidak tau biar tau bahwa melayu itu juga sebagian dr indonesia. assalamualiakum
danangsam 6 months ago
@mrparezi lol... melayu asal usulnya dr sumatera,silat asli dari minangkabau,keris asli dari jawa,sriwijaya di palembang,pasai bukan melayu. majapahit kerajaan terbesar penguasa nusantara.
danangsam 6 months ago
Akibat jawa ngentot saudara sendiri!(saudara jawa=babi jawanensis)!
jawangentotbabi 3 years ago
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why all of you did not listen the news? it was earthquake! it was not destitute or poor! why did you not see it! why? are you all well educated?! hah?!
kodok1000 3 years ago
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at least Philippines are more better that indo. cause indo come to malay became maid and slaves. come to s'pore became maid and slaves. come to middle-east also became slaves. indo is slaves industry.
svenatomicCohen 3 years ago
U know what filipino workers comes to Spore. Daytime,,work as maid etc..NITE TIME - they be HIGH CLASS PROSTITUTE - US$40 for a nite.
Are u proud abt it..FILIPINOS!!!
othmaar 3 years ago 2
prostitution is every where, even in japan. that's not a problem.
well at least philipine r more develop and educated nation than indo.
svenatomicCohen 3 years ago
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likemikey93 will be CURSED.
pixie0228 3 years ago
what the fuck is wrong with the filipinos? we don't fuckin care about those shity sick man of asia, with a non-existent economy and whose only way to exist is to become a maid. jeez... the filipins isn't comparable to us. Indonesia is much more superior..
kewlkewl12 3 years ago
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May all INDOGNESIANS go to hell!
likemikey93 3 years ago
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I was only defending my country against those shithead Indonesians from spreading hate for my country. We all know that Philippines will always remain 3 years ahead of Indonesia. So if anything we should be laughing at them first!
likemikey93 3 years ago
yeah, you with your huge trade deficit and a smaller gnp per capita than us? hahahaha..
kewlkewl12 3 years ago
well i'm actually very interested in indonesia, especially javanese culture and yogyakarta so don't assume all filipinos don't like your country. sorry it may sound disappointing to you but many of our traditions and cultural nuances are very similar with yours. so there is no need to hate. we are all humans. have a nice day friend.
july071992 3 years ago
okay. the case is closed. thank you.
july071992 3 years ago
i guess everyone should also watch Indigenous American Prophecy. It is very similar to what the javanese people in this video are prophesizing about the fate of the world. so NO HATING people. stop acting childish.
july071992 3 years ago
the way you talk and the way you refer to your neighbor determines the scale of stupidity you have. i have much respect for indonesian people and indonesia. you are an exception. dumbass
july071992 3 years ago
oh yeah?u're respect indonesian ppl?so why u here to see this video?want to make bad comments to my country?u're stupid..every fil in this video give bad comments in this video,like fil doesn't never get disaster..pathetic..GO! from videos that only dedicated for indonesian ppl..i hate filipinos pathetic like you,isangbobongpinoy and kramnirdla!
faradillasholehah 3 years ago
you don't know how to read do you? i understand you hate me for what i posted because you clearly don't understand what i am talking about. you are pathetic. you tend to judge quickly. anyway, i won't let people like you to color my perception about indonesian people. i have lots of indonesian friends actually.
well as they always say, not all apples in the basket are rotten. so long. i don't like childish war.
july071992 3 years ago
i am actually endorsing people to watch another video which is actually related to this video. i am not giving bad comments to YOUR country but to SOME PEOPLE (yes you know who you are).
july071992 3 years ago
i dont hate pinoy
i'm not as childish as likemikey93 lol
mother fact i hav a lot of pinoy best friends as they are a lot of them here in middleast
but u know,when a bitch talkin shit bout ur dress u talk shit bout her tho !
Arrose11 3 years ago
hey likemikey93 !!what the heck !! this is about disaster, got nothing to do with blamming anybody or whatever !!!
look im chinese indonesian my self.. and i live and work in germany now but i love Indonesia.. its " nothing better than home sweet home INDONESIA " so shut the fuck up !!
bungamelati14 3 years ago
lol. Well the Dutch starved millions of Indonesians. *Cheers to that*. Spanish just took away our culture. Nothing else, really.
Let's all rejoice in what Holland and Suharto done to the once great land of InDOGnesia!
likemikey93 3 years ago
couse they cant took something else xD
Arrose11 3 years ago
superior philippine ??
remmber first time Spanish and Portuguse came to Southeast Asia they both in east indonesia killing each other finally portuges kicked spanish to philipines the winner get the good stuff the loser get not so good stuff even after centuries eroupean still killing each other for our land no1 bother spanish couse it kinda not worth it ...
Arrose11 3 years ago
don't mind my fellow filipino. you should not hate filipinos because of him. i am filipino by the way. no hatin.
july071992 3 years ago
hey mike why bring ALLAH ??
dont u see the video describtion it say java's god not muslim's god u dumbass or u dont even read or do u even watch the video oh w8 i forgot u here just to spread shit not the video!dude just bak to ur country and make the slutty president conflict done then come here xD
Arrose11 3 years ago
hey. It's not like Indonesians blaming others for all their problems is news to anyone else.
Indonesia has something called a mix of corruption and racism. Meaning if there are economic problems, they blame the rich Chinese, if there are religious problems, they blame the superior Christian Filipinos.
Now that there is a rise in the sex industry in Indonesia, Indonesians are even starting to blame their own women for this problem.
Where next? Are you gonna blame America this time?
likemikey93 3 years ago
huahuaahuahuahuh this guy again !
wow u must be one of pinoy's indonesia huge fan!
i saw u messing in our video spreading shit xD
u called us dirty slave ??
wat pinoy then ??i live in middleeast the only prostitue u can get is pinoy its everywer ur girl become sluts even in indonesia or singapore ahahahaha maybe u shouyld visit jakarta and see if wat u said about it is true and u can also sleep wit pinoy chick for around 60 buck for a nite hahahaha
Arrose11 3 years ago
indonesia is a shithole. even worse than piglipines, LOL. pathetic. i have no respect for indonesian people like you who just come to our videos and say something bad about our country. now we are bringing the karma back. INDOGSIALANS!
isangbobongpinoy 3 years ago
what can you do? indonesians are very backward. indonesia should be renamed "Republik Kampungan Masyaallah Indonesia". LOL
isangbobongpinoy 3 years ago
oh gezz get a life fat slob hate spreader
Arrose11 3 years ago
Hey, let's not forget that Jakarta is also blessed with 2/3 of its population not being able to find clean water.
May the will of Allah make sure that along with the tsunami will bring a heavy drought that will affect 2/3 of Jakarta's dry population even more.
Indonesia is like a dirty slave nation to the superior Philippine Islands.
You never about the ecological disasters in this video in the Philippines. All Filipinos will forever pray of Indonesia's total geographical wipeout.
likemikey93 3 years ago
you know what, i am filipino BUT YOU ARE THE CAUSE OF ALL THIS STUPID filipino vs. indonesian/malaysian cyberwar. so likemikey93, SHUT UP.
july071992 3 years ago
WTF,,its embracing me as an indonesian,,
hiro89jkt 3 years ago
not sure its the lack of wahu thats the problem with indonesia..more like corruption and racism...
bellalikescumicumi 3 years ago
You buy peanut you'll get Monkey...
If you asked the people'll asnwer as you wished. Well,you'll get it.
Doesnt mean Indonesia is completely the same as you think. Diz report isnt FAIR,u have to ask people which competent to issues that you cover. Thats make you looks More PROFFESIONAL.
And Will not Publish such a Crap and Tendensius cover story like this.
Many kind of Islam among World right now, Javanesse Moslem is one of a thousand Kind. All of Moslem onlu Pray to ALLAH not others.
breiggthomas 3 years ago 3
Sad that people in this day and age have to turn to this kind of nonsense, for an explanation of natural phenomena.
Philos2006 4 years ago 2