AIDS is any and every disease known to mankind. Any disease will weaken the immune system. The point is that none of them have been proven to be caused by HIV and are not sexually-transmitted diseases. Cancer is not sexually transmitted and neither are any of the others
“As a scientist who has studied AIDS for 16 years, I have determined that AIDS has little to do with science and is not even primarily a medical issue. AIDS is a sociological phenomenon held together by fear, creating a kind of medical McCarthyism that has transgressed and collapsed all the rules of science, and has imposed a brew of belief and pseudo-science on a vulnerable public.”
google........IS “HIV” REALLY THE CAUSE OF AIDS? ARE THERE REALLY ONLY “A FEW”
@mykoolaidtastesfunny nope "label" isn't the problem but a page named "virusmyth com" seems not very trustful. This is the first thing that comes up when i google AZT Label.
Anyways, you want to tell me that the medical industry is trying to kill people with azt? srsly? That makes no sense, why help people with medicine, but then kill them? Isn't that contradicting?
@Quiestre So? Honey....they've had that label up for DECADES. If they were putting something totally fake and slanderous about a company's product that company would sue. DUH!
Are you seriously trying to tell me that the manufacturers of that product are "conspiring" AGAINST their own product? Also....DUH! Did you miss the Concord Study? There is ZERO scientific evidence that ANY of those drugs improves clinical health or lifespan & NONE of the manufacturers claim otherwise for their products
@mykoolaidtastesfunny okay dude, let me read a bit further in this. But as far as i know, peter düsberg is an aids denialist, and the papers i read showed that azt improves conditions. It also makes no sense that physicians try to kill people with azt, when on the other hand they improve our lifes. Also if this is so obvious why isn't it on every page, not even fricking wikipeda talks about it. I only find it on fringe spooky conspiracy webpages.
@Quiestre Picture the lawsuits for 5 minutes. EVERY doctor who handed out a death sentences using one of Gallo's bullshit NONspecific UNstandardized antibody test then convinced people to swallow poison because of it is facing MASSIVE lawsuits.
The fact is that "hiv" criminal cases have started being thrown out of court because DAs can't find anyone willing to take the stand to testify under threat of perjury. If they lie it's perjury. If they tell the truth they get sued into the gutter
@mykoolaidtastesfunny Well then, every other EVERY other scientist who knows his stuff in this field and did not hand out anything, should therefor call for the truth. I can only find a small minority, just as in creationism, or 911. it's never a critical mass of scientists and doctors who inform about those things but a small minority of conspiracy theorists. But again i read more about it and then i come back.
@Quiestre They ARE....google.........IS “HIV” REALLY THE CAUSE OF AIDS?
ARE THERE REALLY ONLY “A FEW”
SCIENTISTS WHO DOUBT THIS?
"Proof" by consensus is a logical fallacy not scientific evidence. If everyone beleeeeved in a flying teapot as the cause of aids would that make it true?
@Quiestre You need to stop getting "your" ideas from anonymous fraudsters on youtube. Go to people with identities and credentials that are easily verified.
I have the direct links to the so-called "hiv" test disclaimers on my channel under the Pope. Ha...of course concordance the anonymous youtube "scientist" only has links to drug marketing sites and WikiMcPedia....hmmmm....I wonder why?
@mykoolaidtastesfunny No i did not say that, but for me as a non scientist i have to chose between either side. The denialist side or the non denialsists. I go therefor with what is accepted in the community. Because there is a reason why a majority thinks HIV causes aids and not some medicine. It's because they tested it and papers show it works, if not then why the hack is it even used. If it was harm or non helpful it would be treated like homeopathy.
@Quiestre Um....NO. Gallo announced the virus of mass destruction at a press conference back in 1984 before he even had any papers published. The papers he did publish later were found to be total frauds by the US Government during the Congressional Hearings into his conduct.
He never found any such VMD in any aids patient. He just lied called a press conference and patented an antibody test.
@Quiestre Go look at Gallo's fabulous "evidence" for a VMD
google.......A Selection of HIV Documents
Evidence of Fraud?
Unearthed by US Governmental Investigations into the scientific work of Dr. Robert Gallo
Scroll down to see what the little shit scribbled out......"Despite intensive research efforts the causative agent of aids has...NOT...been identified"
Then he called a press conference and hit the patent office. GALLO is the "hiv" antibody test kit patent holder
@mykoolaidtastesfunny as far as i found out AZT isn't used in US anymore. But so called HAART.
AIDS. 1994 Mar;8(3):313-21.
"Zidovudine delayed progression to symptomatic HIV disease (P = 0.01); a trend in a delay in progression to CDC stage IV disease was observed (P = 0.08). Substantial toxicity was not observed."
That's AZT. Who told you it isn't used any more? The same people who provided that reference?
The ONLY thing that study shows is that ZIDOVUDINE "improves virologic response" i.e. CD4 counts and "viral load" but that has NOTHING to do with health or mortality
@mykoolaidtastesfunny well sorry it's information from pub med, the same source someone else (or you, can't remember) used when trying to argue that AZT is bad, but was referring to a trial on AZT usage in EU and US and it's comparison. AZT seemed not to be too effective, that's why it's not mono-used (as far as i know) any longer in the us. btw i can reference more studies of it's effectiveness.
@Quiestre I said google....AZT LABEL to see what the manufacturers say about their own product
I'm not claiming that study isn't on PubMed. I'm pointing out that it doesn't show an improvement in health or mortality. It only claims to be "effective" at "improving" Cd4 counts and "viral load"
@mykoolaidtastesfunny Seems there was a miss communication. I looked up the label and it says "toxic" but you could even read side effects on wikipedia. But I kinda do not see your relationship with the claims in this video, that HIV does not cause aids but AZT does? That's my whole point. I defend the position that AIDS is cause by HIV.
@Quiestre "Hiv"? But even the "discoverer" never found it in an aids patient. Something imaginary can't be causing aids. AZT destroys the bone marrow which is the source of the immune response. People who do not take it far outlive those who do.
@Quiestre Yay! Now instead of one chemo drug they give cocktails aka HAART. Which also shows NO improvement in health or mortality. All those drugs are also FDA Black Box labeled which means they can cause serious injury and death even when taken exactly as prescribed.
The people who get a nonspecific reaction on Gallo's crap antibody test who do not take them far outlive those who do.
@mykoolaidtastesfunny okay i wish i had more time right now, because i have to read more about it couse it seems that HIV/AIDS denialism is your life and you throw a lot of information at once at me. I have to work now i come back later on you when i have read more about some things you said.
@Quiestre Nobody disputes the existence of aids. Just the cause. It's more like body thetan "denialism". The "discoverer" never found it in an aids patient so it can't be the cause of aids.
@Quiestre "Hiv"? You mean the cellular crap Gallo "discovered"?
Lancet. 2006 Aug 5;368(9534):451-8.
HIV treatment response and prognosis in Europe and North America in the first decade of highly active antiretroviral therapy: a collaborative analysis.
INTERPRETATION:
Virological response after starting HAART improved over calendar years, but such improvement has............NOT............... translated into a decrease in mortality."
Well, there is no cure for HIV/AIDS sooner or later peoples immune system will give in, no matter how much treatment. At least the treatment improves conditions, maybe sometimes even prevents death by HIV/AIDS. Why is your alternative? Any good treatments against HIV/AIDS?
@Quiestre "Hiv"? You mean the cellular crap Gallo "discovered"? I grew up with this virus of mass destruction bullshit in the family. In 27 years the ONLY people I know who got sick and died after getting a reaction on one of Gallo's crap unstandardized antibody tests were taking the "lifesaving" meds. The UNmedicated junkies are fine.
@mykoolaidtastesfunny Well doesn't matter what anecdotal stories you have. Even if it is true what you said. People still died because of no medication. You can easily find "victims" of this believe that you are fine as long as you DON'T take medicine. I'm sorry people are dying because of HIV/AIDS whether they take medicine or not, the medicine is there to at least improve their lives.
@mykoolaidtastesfunny well because the discoverer is the most famous denialist. Go check out C0nc0rdance video "Does HIV Cause AIDS" it's in the sidebar.
@Quiestre Lmao.....concordance the anonymous youtube "scientist" aka JoeMarkLawson? That guy lies puts FAKE references in his videos and censors his channel.
I go to experts with identities and credentials I can easily verify thanks :P
@mykoolaidtastesfunny I can pretty much talk to him with no problem. And all his videos make much sense (and i'm not talking about his aids videos alone) also he references articles from pub med a trusted site with pear reviewed papers.
But of course he is part of the conspiracy because he does not support your point of view...
@Quiestre I have the direct links to the "hiv" test kit disclaimers on my channel and the first 2 scientists in my featured video have identities and credentials that are easily verified and they actually worked on the so-called "hiv" tests
At present (2011) there is no recognized standard for establishing the presence or absence of HIV-1 and HIV-2 antibody in human blood"
@mykoolaidtastesfunny well there are also "creation scientists" who have credentials, does that say anything about the truth value of evolution vs. creationism??
@Quiestre Honey.....looking for ways to shoot messengers instead of addressing any points makes YOU sound like a creationist.
Are the test kit manufacturers "conspiring" against their own products?
PCR disclaimer....The ... AMPLICOR HIV-1 MONITOR Test, v1.5 is.......NOT......... intended to be used as a screening test for blood or blood products for the presence of HIV-1 or as a diagnostic test to confirm the presence of HIV-1 infection.
@mykoolaidtastesfunny If gallo is a fraud, then Montagnier and Barré-Sinoussi are too. So you say all those scientist are conspiring against humanity? And every other who is supporting these ideas too?
@Quiestre Montagnier never claimed to have discovered the cause of aids. He got sucked into a patent dispute with Gallo but Montagnier has been trying to back out of this VMD debacle for decades. Lol...you said it your self....one of the "discoverers" is one of the biggest "denialists"
@Quiestre Well....as someone who grew up with this in the family that does make me think you literally have no idea of what you're talking about. You admit you get your info from anonymous unqualified amateurs
@Quiestre Did you see that fraudster's Perth Group video? The reference that HE claims refutes the Perth Group's complaint that GALLOS "hiv" antibody tests are UNstandardized has NOTHING to do with antibody testing. He's a liar and fraud.
At present (2011) there is no recognized standard for establishing the presence or absence of HIV-1 and HIV-2 antibody in human blood"
Virological response after starting HAART improved over calendar years, but such improvement has......................NOT..........................translated into a decrease in mortality.
@mykoolaidtastesfunny What's your point? That people still die even with medication? Well duh, of course because as far as i know there is no cure for aids. That's why aids is such a big problem. Because you cannot cure it, so people die from it.
@Quiestre I just told you...........stop blaming immune problems on some phantom virus of mass destruction that even the "discoverer" never found in an aids patient.
See on youtube.........THE LIVING PROOF THE LINDSEY NAGEL STORY
Her medical records are in the documents link. ALL the kids in her state who took the "lifesaving" meds are now dead.
also see on youtube.....Peter Duesberg and The Nagel Family - Rethinking AIDS 2009
@mykoolaidtastesfunny So what are you advocating, that people who are HIV positive are free to infect anyone else because it's not harmful and only if you take the medication? okay let's assume for a moment that is correct. Then well no harm in unprotected sex with HIV+ people. But what if not? From a logical perspective alone it is safer if you treat HIV+ as dangerous. Let alone the evidence that it is harmful
@Quiestre I said it........STOP blaming aids on something even the "discoverer" NEVER found in an aids patient.
There are literally DOZENS apon DOZENS of documented reasons for reactions on Gallo's crap antibody test listed in the medical literature. Why ASSUME a reaction = anything in particular? Gallo had NOTHING to compare his tests to to validate them scientifically.
@Quiestre Have you been reading the Ministry of Aidstruth? I find a lot of you VMD cultists get "your" ideas from them
Google......THE GUINEA PIG KIDS THE BBC AND THE AIDSTRUTH MAFIA
There are zero SCIENTISTS on the board. "Dr" Jeanne Bergman is a lawyer whose PhD is in Marketing and Professor Nick teaches economics. They're funded by the companies whose products they promote. It's a drug marketing site
@mykoolaidtastesfunny Well there is a scientist on youtube called c0nc0rdance who does videos on aids denialism. I'm not a scientist, i can only talk about the things that i know and learned. So in the end i have to trust the ones in the fields. And i do trust him because he backs up his claims with data, and papers. he also talks about other pseudoscience and conspiracies, therefor i know he is not full of shit.
@Quiestre The anonymous youtube "scientist"? He used to go by JoeMarkLawson. His comments are still up on "My Hiv Soapbox" video.
Can you find a scientist by that name? I couldn't. There's some guy by that name in charge of the tutoring program out in WestBumfuck but that's as close as I got
He LIES and puts FAKE references in his videos. He also censors his channel since the anonymous youtube "scientist" doesn't like it when someone exposes his flat out lies
Yay more misinformation about Aids. Well you aids denialists are sure active. How about some real scientific papers about AZT causes Aids? @jerseygrl5 neat little story but how could anyone believe anything you say in a youtube comment with backing it up?
Well keep denying as long as you don't harm anyone else you can have as much aids and die as you want.
@mykoolaidtastesfunny Wow what a great help, "google AZT LABEL" it's like saying "google aliens visited the earth" and that's somehow prove for aliens... Seriously, all accepted medical papers show that AZT does not cause aids and it actually helps. Conspiracy theories just make unproven statements about stuff it doesn't understand.
@Quiestre Um....are you serious? Reading label is suspect to you? You must be a drug marketers wet dream
Idiot....YOU making an unsubstantiated claim is NOT scientific evidence. I just posted some and peer reviewed SCIENTIFIC references are not a "conspiracy". Neither is reading labels lol ;)
@Quiestre Do you not understand who labels products? Um...DUH! It's the manufacturers themselves you genius. What information about their product do YOU have access to that they missed?
@Quiestre See on youtube......THE LIVING PROOF THE LINDSEY NAGEL STORY
Her medical records are in the documents link. Why do you want to "deny" that something that comes with a skull and crossbones the word TOXIC and an admission that it destroys bone marrow on the label is poison?
"House of Numbers" and "rethinkingAIDS" are the start of self-education instead of the pharma-controlled myths from mainstream media and medical/military one-way corridor. Stop the tests, stop the killing.
I think Dr Sebi has a lot to do with the upfront talk about AIDS and HIV. Never before no one mentioned anything of AIDS or HIV positive can be cured. Suddenly so many experts now Aids is curable HIV doesn't cause Aids, where were you guys before? One thing I know: you can lie and fool people in the dark but when the light turns on all lies and liars will disappear. If you want to read more about the cure for AIDS google Dr Sebi for more infos
@TheRedFuji The wikipedia article is rather biased. Interesting read none the less, but they simply dismiss the big discepencies with HIV theory he brought up as saying he did selective reading. But if the infection is spread 50/50 yet the disease is 90/10... I don't see how thats a product of selective reading to find something strange there. While the article says the drug link to AIds was disproven... I don't see how that is if the majority of aids patentients are heavy drug users.
@TheRedFuji Lmao....google.....The unqualified (= without qualifications) gurus of Wikipedia
Also google.....There Will Be No Heterosexual AIDS Epidemic, Experts Admit
"No, really. But take it from someone you trust, Dr. Kevin de Cock of the World Health Organization: “[T]here will be no generalised epidemic of Aids in the heterosexual population outside Africa.”
“A 25-year health campaign was misplaced outside the continent of Africa,” the article concedes,
".......In this connection, it’s worth noting too that Duesberg’s criticism of inflated AIDS-death numbers for South Africa, suppressed from Medical Hypotheses, has been vindicated by publication in a...... peer-reviewed, PubMed-abstracted journal......Defenders of the flawed HIV = AIDS belief have resorted to ad hominem attacks for upwards of two decades simply because they have never been able to answer substantively the points raised by Peter Duesberg
Illuminati scums will burn in hell. I really pity the poor africans being deceived this way. Millions of people are dying while these scums are making billions. Even cancer can be treated with baking soda. Hiv, cancer, vaccines, full of shit and full of deception.
Googgle "Bob Beck protcol". There is a device that cures it . Cost around $300. Also , aids patients should be drinking a glass a day of organic cocnut water. It breaks down the coating of the virus so the body can eliminate it.
JAMA, which I spotted here, was also a journal that slandered Dr. Crenshaw, who examined JFK right after he was shot, but before he was put in a casket. Dr. Crenshaw reported a huge gaping hole in the back of JFK's head, and a small entrance hole in the forehead, proving the head shot came from the front. But Dr. Crenshaw successfully sued JAMA for libel. Basically, even prestigious scientific journals just spread lies --- no different than the tabloids. Read Crenshaw's "Trauma Room One"
Remember guys.. The Illuminati's goal is to deplete the population down to a certain amount to begin the New World Order. It's more than logical they're spreding the Aids fear all over the world so people can star buying the AZT wich makes their pocket FULL of green over the years.. These guys make over billiones of $ selling these AZT drugs.. now back to the Illuminati.. does it make sense? yes it does. we're being controled guys.. WAKE THE FUCK UP and belive what u see thru here. not the MEDIA
@Santiagofigueroa2010 I think you are on to something. This very well could be a massive eugenics program feeding DNA destroying drugs like AZT to poor people in Africa. As for the illuminati, notice that Robert Gallo and Anthony Fauci are both from Jesuit / Vatican backgrounds along with HHS Sec, Margaret Heckler. The Jesuits merged with Free Masonry back in 1773 under Jesuit professor Adam Weishaupt. So...Jesuits could very well be behind the HIV/AIDS mass genocide, serving AZT .
"WARNING: Keep out of reach of children under 6 years of age. If you accidentally swallow more than used for brushing your teeth, seek professional help or contact a poison control center immediately"
You`re right it doesn´t have a skull and crossbones and I´m guessing you don´t know the number of your local poison centre...but they do have this warning hidden quiet discreetly. Now tell us, are you going to go to so much effort over the hidden dangers of brushing our teeth?
@Bighairyjoesph I trust that the manufacturers of AZT know their own product
AZT LABEL....big skull and cross bones...TOXIC...toxic by inhalation, in contact with skin and if swallowed. Target organ: blood bone marrow. if you feel unwell seek medical advice. Show label where possible. Wear suitable protective clothing
@Bighairyjoesph Adn WHY do people think they need to take drugs like that? Oh because Gallo decided to falsify his data and piss all over the scientific process. No other reason.
Listen, you should look at the rest of the list of products and other known causes of Cancers in the State of California. The same state wants to put a warning on fries for god´s sake!! What do you brush your teeth with...floride? That causes cancer too mate!
Its clear that Duesberg is a ham. He´s been disclaimed by practically the whole science community...including his publisher and now even policy in South Africa is changing.
@Bighairyjoesph If you want to reply to me hit reply or I'll think you're being sneaky
Do ANY of the things you just names come with a skull and cross bones and the word TOXIC on their labels? No. Is their designed purpose the destruction of the bone marrow? NO.
Calling people names does not change that. WHY do you think there is a virus of mass destruction when even the "discoverer" never actually found one?
Unearthed by US Governmental Investigations into the scientific work of Dr. Robert Gallo
Make note of the NIH's letter to Gallo...WHAT virus Gallo? Then scroll down to see what Gallo scribbled out...."DESPITE INTENSIVE RESEARCH EFFORTS THE CAUSATIVE AGENT OF AIDS HAS NOT BEEN IDENTIFIED"
Then he bypassed peer review by announcing his "disocvery" at a press conference
@Bighairyjoesph . Letter from Dr. Gonda XE the Head of Electron Microscopy at the"National Institutes of Health" "Gallo, Robert" . He reports that images wanted for the Science papers, do.....NOT....contain HIV XE "HIV" (HTLVIII) a s Gallo had claimed, but only cellular rubbish. This was received only 3 days before Gallo sent in the Science papers for publication, When the papers appeared in print, they still contained photos credited to Gonda, with Gallo saying they contain HIV.
@Bighairyjoesph The World Health Organization confesses that 25 years of international Aids projections and programs were based on fear, not evidence.
Threat of world Aids pandemic among heterosexuals is over, report admits, The Independent announced on Sunday, June 8, 2008
No, really. But take it from someone you trust, Dr. Kevin de Cock of the World Health Organization: [T]here will be no generalised epidemic of Aids in the heterosexual population outside Africa.
@Bighairyjoesph Also...no...you have it backwards. Duesberg is a member of the national Academy of Arts and Sciences. You don't get any more mainstream than that. It was Robert GALLO that was found guilty of fraud and "scientific miscinduct" on more than one occassion by more than one governmental agency.
@Bighairyjoesph Those are not "facts". It's just anonymously written libel. Google "AZT LABEL" if you want to see a fact. Also note that California added azt to its list of known carcinogens as of Dec 2009. Also...the World Health Organization cancelled the hetero aids epodemic in 2008 which proves Duesberg's theory correct.
Why do you think there is a virus of mass destruction when even the "discoverer" never actually found one in a human being?
My brother started on AZT after getting pneumonia and being diagnosed with HIV. He immediately began going down hill after starting AZT and died an ugly death within the year after starting AZT. He swore it was the AZT killing him but kept on it because my mother begged him as she believed and trusted the doctors. I hope these killers fry in hell.
@jerseygrl5 I am so sorry for your loss. Parents are so set in the old ways and trust these murderers. My parents are the same way. I hope there is a Hell for these murderers.
@jerseygrl5 I am so sorry to hear about your brother. It is really strange, about 75% of the people who took AZT got very sick right away..others just seemed pass it right through the system. Of course an attack on your system with a DNA chain terminating drug will send your T-Cells into high gear and reproducing as fast as possible, which makes AID$ Inc. say that the AZT is "killing HIV". But as time goes on the immune system wears out, and collapses. Many people KNOW it is AZT killing them.
@WillSee11 Thank you "Will". He was my only sibling, and we were very close because we lost my father to a heart attack when we were in our early teens. I can't think about or it will makes me insane. When he passed he told me he'd always be with me and I know he is in spirit but I miss him desperately. It will be 20 years in April but the pain of losing him is still an open wound.
@jerseygrl5 I can feel your sadness over losing someone so close to you, and I can only offer my sincere sympathies and support. But I want to thank you for standing up and letting other people know about what happened, because this helps us reach others that we can help. In this way, I think his death was not in vain, and though we haven't stopped this terrible fraud, we ARE plucking more people out of its control. With condolences..thanks
AZT killed people because doctors gave toxic doses. Now it is given in safer doses with other therapies in order to control the virus. HAART therapy is not pretty, yes, but it is much safer than before.
This label has appeared on bottles containing as little as 25 milligrams,
a small fraction (1/20-1/50) of a patients daily prescribed dose.
There is ZERO evidence that taking ANY of that poisonous crap improves health or lifespan as compared to taking nothing at all. ALL of he HAART drugs come with FDA Black Box Warning labels that list "death" as a "side effect" i.e. NOT safe at all.
It's really a choice. HAART therapy is extremely toxic and has horrific side effects, yet you will probably live a relatively longer life to your 60s and 70s. Or you could chose to not take HAART, and die in 10 years after diagnosis with HIV. Contrary to your claim that there is no evidence, there have been numerous publications concerning the subject. I had to write a report for my Medical Microbiology class on the topic. It isn't fiction. It's reality.
@chaosbringer127 There is ZERO evidence that taking ANY of those drugs improves health or mortality
Lancet. 2006 Aug 5;368(9534):451-8.
HIV treatment response and prognosis in Europe and North America in the first decade of highly active antiretroviral therapy: a collaborative analysis.
INTERPRETATION: Virological response after starting HAART improved over calendar years, but such improvement has.......................NOT................... translated into a decrease in mortality.
@chaosbringer127 No...I said...you go for it. Give it your best shot. NONE of the drug manufacturers claim their products improve health or life span so I'm curious what info you have access to that they missed.
To say aids exist is to say God made it, nothing exists that God did not make. Satan wants to blame the misery of the world on God. God did not make aids, a host of other doctor named ailments humans give drugs in a vain attempt to help. The list of ailments you heard stated, what are not stated are a demonic lie to make money. A shifted atlas partially closing the door to the nerve's exiting the brain that gets worse over time more that likely from birth is the beginning of a worsening problem.
This is known from many species of animals, it is studied in parallel and a definite fact. The HIV virus in humas is related to every other HIV virus found in apes and felines etc
The evidence is overwhelming but this assclown denialists who do not understand the topic doubt reality through their own ignorance.
User' c0nc0rdance' is a scientist who studies disease and has made videos on HIV/AIDS denialism explaining the evidence and why denialists are WRONG.
Lmao...Concordance doesn't read past the titles of the studies he references. One of his sources which he claims refutes the Perth Group's complaint that the Western Blot evaluation criteria are inconsistent has NOTHING to do with WB.
He is either a liar or too stupid to read past the titles of papers
GALLO never even found such a virus in his aids patients. He just falsified his data and by passed peer review by calling a press conference.
You can have FAITH in his "lucky guess" if you want but the justification for any scientific theory lies in its ability to accurately predict future events. The virus of mass destruction theory has been a 100% failure in that regard.
Oh and...I blocked you too you gutless coward. Did you think you could send me abusive PM's and then deny me the right to reply by blocking me and I wouldn't just block you back?
Answering a person's personal attacks with evidence isn't "spamming" You just wish it was.
Well then how do you explain the people that have AIDS who are HIV Negative?
I know someone who has AIDS who is HIV negative.
And how do you explain the 95 per cent of people who live with HIV who dont take drugs who live normal, long lives? A very good friend of mine has had HIV since the 80's and he is still here and healthy.
Direct those questions to a doctor or medical expert if you want an informed answer. Im just a guy off the internet who has lost a family member (13 years ago) to HIV illness.
Anecdotal experience counts for nothing, so your stories could be flawed or misguided for all you know. Why not take that intelligent step of asking the expert instead of taking your information from conspiracy theorists?
Nearly all Drs agree that HIV leads to aids in many different species of animal.
WHAT did your family member die of? Liver failure? Heart attack? Lymphoma? WHAT? WHY does ANYONE think there's a virus of mass destruction when even the discoverer never actually found any in any of his aids patients?
[Anthony] Fauci is one of the US Governments major architects of the myth that HIV has been proven to be the cause of AIDS and that stopping HIV will save livesa myth that has become so entrenched in medicines conventional wisdom that to question it is tantamount [to] treason.
There are not sufficient enough data to understand the properties of HIV because the scientific literature is nothing more than opinions, poorly conducted studies and reviews of poorly conducted studies.
"U.S. government funded AIDS research has become a jobs program for scientists who lack the courage and resources to challenge conventional scientific wisdom."
quotes are from...— Dr. Howard Urnovitz, PhD, Microbiologist and Immunologist, Science Director, Chronic Illness Research Foundation, co-founder and CEO, Chronix Biomedical. Dr. Urnovitzs team developed the only FDA-licensed urine-based diagnostic test for antibodies to HIV. Rethinkaids com. The direct link is on my channel
"If you think a virus is the cause of AIDS, do a control without it. To do a control is the first thing you teach undergraduates. But it hasnt been done. The epidemiology of AIDS is a pile of anecdotal stories selected to the virus-AIDS hypothesis. People dont bother to check the details of popular dogma or consensus views."
— Dr. Kary Mullis, PhD, Biochemist, Winner, 1993 Nobel Prize for Chemistry for inventing PCR the basis for the HIV viral load tests
To see more from scientists who do NOT believe in the virus of mass destruction google...
IS HIV REALLY THE CAUSE OF AIDS?
ARE THERE REALLY ONLY A FEW
SCIENTISTS WHO DOUBT THIS?
The direct link to the page is on my channel. There is also a direct link to see Gallo's original "proof" and also a letter from the head of the EM DEpt of the NIH asking Gallo....WHAT virus? All you have is cellular garbage here.
I tested positive for HIV in 1991 - twice. Nineteen years later I am still here and healthy - in fact I am thriving. I've been a bodybuilder all my life and though I am getting older I recently was able to bench press my all-time best.
I was terrified I was gong to die a premature and horrible death. My fiance even left me right after I was tested and I never married not wanting to infect anyone. HIV scare tactics almost ruined my life.
There are actually known genes that grant very good immunity to HIV, however your story does not count for much if you are seriously insinuating that HIV/AIDS is not a serious disease.
I cannot test or verify your story, and i am certainly not qualified to do so. If you think it is all nonsense, then go take your case to the professionals and have them check you over. Dont however make public claims like this because you could genuinely support what is a denialist movement and harm more ppl.
Nothing in science is fully understood, especially viruses like HIV (which constantly mutate) and have no known cure. However this does not mean that the disease does not exist, or that there is a conspiracy being operated by 'big pharma'. Think carefully, just because you are still alive doesnt mean other people havent died. My uncle died age 37 of HIV related illness, thats far from normal and he also never took AZT, that stuff wasnt even on the shelves when he was HIV+.
My point is that the HIV SCARE TACTICS ALMOST KILLED ME. I went through major depression for a long time & was lucky that didn't bring on some sort of disease.
Everything I read from the AIDS "experts" told me I was going to get sick & die soon. I never took the AIDS counter drugs because I never had health insurance but made too much to qualify for free clinics in my area & that could be what saved my life.
Some of these "experts" do a lot of psychological harm to people like me.
Like i said, how can i verify anything you tell me? For all i know you could have been misdiagnosed, does that make it right for you to propogate that HIV is harmless as long as you dont take the evil killer drugs?
No.
The advice of 20 years ago was limited to the knowledge of that time. HIV was a killer and it still is, if you have it and you are still alive then damn you are lucky.
So why not go seek experts help and clear that up with them. Attacking me is not the way forward here.
I'm not attacking you but making the point to anyone that reads my post that has tested positive for HIV...
Don't think you are going to die just because the "experts" say you are. I'm damn lucky I didn't blow my brains out to avoid the horrible sickness that medical science told me was surely waiting for me.
I'm not saying go perform risky behavior - I'm saying there are a lot of people out there completely depressed that think HIV positive is a death sentence. Understand now???
Well since you have completely rephrased your points..of course it seems reasonable.
However your earlier post clearly puts HIV in the light of harmless and a misused scare term, something which it is not. You pretty much echoed and supported the views of those who call it a lie giving them more of a voice. If you died tomorrow of your illness, they would not give a crap and deny it was anything to do with you being HIV+, and blame everything but HIV, because these ppl have done so all along.
"So why not go seek experts help and clear that up with them"
Unfortunately, because I tested positive for HIV I AM DENIED HEALTH INSURANCE FOR LIFE so I can't go have experts check me out. See the problem now if they aren't sure??? It is likely now that something else is going to kill me because I am denied medical treatment for lack of insurance.
This is just one of the many harmful side effects to people like me if the experts are wrong and that would be criminal.
If i was still alive having being diagnosed with HIV 20 years ago, i would put together every dollar i could to get checked over at this stage.
Hell id phone universities, and medical centres...globally, professing that i was still alive and well with HIV after 20 years.
The press would be clawing at my door to pay for my tests because my story is so out of the ordinary. Please dont use this poor excuse to ignore why you havent made any effort.
out of all the "hiv+" kids in her state she was the only one NOT taking the meds and also the only one to live to adulthood. Her medical records are in the deansmay link in the video description box. Her story is not out of the ordinary. It's typical....the only people dying of "hiv" either already have underlying health issues or they're taking the "life saving" meds.
digitised, you'd phone medical centres, etc? What makes you think many survivors have NOT done so?
Scientific journals and "respected" medical institutions are too scared. Even in the mainstream media I've seen reports of long term HIV positives who didn't mind the spotlight, & even of the odd scientist saying "Umm.... maybe it's NOT always fatal"
Try World Without Aids, a book documenting cases of "full blown AIDS" that were "cured" by the patients STOPPING their meds
You're a fucking moron. Go fuck yourself. I won't argue with you douchebags any more. You're out to sell something. thats what it comes down to. So keep watching your Glenn beck, and like I said, go fuck yourself. I'm not replying/reading anything from you idiots. You waste my time and I want it back. Fuck you.
@oversled22 You're not replying to or reading anything? WE are wasting your time?? Then why do you argue/accuse ME? Talk about reversal.
I am not selling anything at all, I merely pointed someone to long-existing books which I DON'T sell. I don't know who Glenn beck is.
As to this: "go fuck yourself. I'm not replying/reading anything from you idiots. You waste my time and I want it back. Fuck you.." well, back atcha, pal
"Like i said, how can i verify anything you tell me?"
And how can I verify anything that you told me about your uncle, that you even had an uncle, that he died of AIDS, and that he didn't take AZT. So, according to you, I guess there isn't much point in anyone posting anything in these forums anymore is there?
My uncle got HIV and he is now dead, there is nothing out of the ordinary with this example, countless people have died from HIV in the short run.
However you being alive after 19 years with HIV is quite...incredible.
So asking me to listen to judge your story is quite unreasonable because i am unable to verify that what you have told me is accurate, and by your own admission you have done nothing to get any further checks done.
It seems to me that you are someone that just likes to argue - I don't.
And there is no way I would want to publicize to the world that I have HIV with all the prejudice and discrimination that still exists. Having people want to use me as a guinea pig or knocking at my door would just be a horrible nightmare for me - I enjoy living too much for that.
Believe what you want - I don't care - I'm outta here.
You still have not said what he died of. It could be that he was killed by the meds. Heart attack? Lymphoma? Liver failure?
Most of those "aids" deaths we've heard so much about are actually medication deaths. I already suggested you check out Lindsey Nagels medical records. One living kid nine dead ones is pretty compelling evidence
digitised, perhaps you should ask yourself why you're so hotly denying things people are telling you here? Why so resistant? I'm not being snide here, and not speculating, I don't think I know why but please, just read some of the material already suggested to you by others. You'll find plenty of verifiable references to hard scientific data in them. You've studied the other side's arguments (so have most of us), now study THIS side
- the HIV virus has never been isolated. (that means there is no proof of that it is there)
-the hiv antiboties are also antiboties for many other viruses
-there are many MANY people who need hiv to exist because they have gone out of their way to build their livelihood
-people have been brainwashed (like yourself) to not even consider that the medical community needs people to be sick with something to keep their funding
They got someone in my family. You're lucky you didn't go on the meds. California added azt to its list of known carcinogens as of Dec 2009. She was in relatively good health (for a junkie) until she started taking the meds and now it's a horror show. And not just her. I kept seeing nothing but exceptions to the doctrine for 20 years. So I started asking questions one day. It's big scam. It's the meds killing people not some phantom virus
digitised, you tell someone not to make public claims because that's supporting AIDS denialism, but keep making public claims about a family member as if you know for a fact what he died of was the HIV virus - you're supporting THAT view.
So don't tell people with information that you apparently lack that they should keep quiet. We have the pharmaceutical companies and their paid stooges to do that, thanks.
In addition I have never taken AZT nor any other HIV counter drug. I haven't done anything special to combat AIDS other than quit drinking (so I wouldn't end up in bed with anymore whores).
I continue to workout and eat right, but nothing special. I get colds and flu like anyone else and I get over them. I work full-time, I do everything that everyone else does.
Maybe I'm just a freak of nature but if the cause of AIDS isn't fully understood then maybe they should admit that.
Nothing that any of you people say makes any sense. I gave this stuff a shot but your arguments are presented in convoluted, quite paranoid manners. You're either doing this on purpose just to be fucking evil, or you're incredibly ignorant. Please re-examine the case you're trying to make. It simply doesnt add up. I gave it a shot. I tried. But I'm sorry, it's quite dumb. HIV CAUSES AIDS.
@ oversled, Paranoid? No.. more like pissed off. angry. upset. betrayed.blatantly lied to. The CDC and their elite should pay for the criminal enterprise they have built in the last 25 years. The phoney construct of AIDS shall be abolished and the "House of Numbers" be revealed to all of humanity.
oversled22, what all the doctors and scientists who've put their careers on the line, given up cushy jobs to come out with the truth... are just fucking evil and/or ignorant? You don't really believe that yourself!
You say it simply doesn't add up. I found nothing hard to understand in the vid... what is giving you a problem?
AIDS is any and every disease known to mankind. Any disease will weaken the immune system. The point is that none of them have been proven to be caused by HIV and are not sexually-transmitted diseases. Cancer is not sexually transmitted and neither are any of the others
.
It's a hoax and a crime against humanity.
dfitzjr1962 1 month ago
“As a scientist who has studied AIDS for 16 years, I have determined that AIDS has little to do with science and is not even primarily a medical issue. AIDS is a sociological phenomenon held together by fear, creating a kind of medical McCarthyism that has transgressed and collapsed all the rules of science, and has imposed a brew of belief and pseudo-science on a vulnerable public.”
google........IS “HIV” REALLY THE CAUSE OF AIDS? ARE THERE REALLY ONLY “A FEW”
SCIENTISTS WHO DOUBT THIS?
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 month ago
@mykoolaidtastesfunny nope "label" isn't the problem but a page named "virusmyth com" seems not very trustful. This is the first thing that comes up when i google AZT Label.
Anyways, you want to tell me that the medical industry is trying to kill people with azt? srsly? That makes no sense, why help people with medicine, but then kill them? Isn't that contradicting?
Quiestre 1 month ago
@Quiestre So? Honey....they've had that label up for DECADES. If they were putting something totally fake and slanderous about a company's product that company would sue. DUH!
Are you seriously trying to tell me that the manufacturers of that product are "conspiring" AGAINST their own product? Also....DUH! Did you miss the Concord Study? There is ZERO scientific evidence that ANY of those drugs improves clinical health or lifespan & NONE of the manufacturers claim otherwise for their products
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 month ago
@mykoolaidtastesfunny okay dude, let me read a bit further in this. But as far as i know, peter düsberg is an aids denialist, and the papers i read showed that azt improves conditions. It also makes no sense that physicians try to kill people with azt, when on the other hand they improve our lifes. Also if this is so obvious why isn't it on every page, not even fricking wikipeda talks about it. I only find it on fringe spooky conspiracy webpages.
Quiestre 1 month ago
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@Quiestre Omg.....google.......The unqualified (= without qualifications) gurus of Wikipedia
Also google.....WIKIPEDIA MAKES NO GUARANTEE OF VALIDITY
"Please be advised that nothing found here has necessarily been
reviewed by people with the expertise required to provide you with
complete, accurate or reliable information."
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 month ago
@Quiestre Picture the lawsuits for 5 minutes. EVERY doctor who handed out a death sentences using one of Gallo's bullshit NONspecific UNstandardized antibody test then convinced people to swallow poison because of it is facing MASSIVE lawsuits.
The fact is that "hiv" criminal cases have started being thrown out of court because DAs can't find anyone willing to take the stand to testify under threat of perjury. If they lie it's perjury. If they tell the truth they get sued into the gutter
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 month ago
@mykoolaidtastesfunny Well then, every other EVERY other scientist who knows his stuff in this field and did not hand out anything, should therefor call for the truth. I can only find a small minority, just as in creationism, or 911. it's never a critical mass of scientists and doctors who inform about those things but a small minority of conspiracy theorists. But again i read more about it and then i come back.
Quiestre 1 month ago
@Quiestre They ARE....google.........IS “HIV” REALLY THE CAUSE OF AIDS?
ARE THERE REALLY ONLY “A FEW”
SCIENTISTS WHO DOUBT THIS?
"Proof" by consensus is a logical fallacy not scientific evidence. If everyone beleeeeved in a flying teapot as the cause of aids would that make it true?
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 month ago
@Quiestre You need to stop getting "your" ideas from anonymous fraudsters on youtube. Go to people with identities and credentials that are easily verified.
I have the direct links to the so-called "hiv" test disclaimers on my channel under the Pope. Ha...of course concordance the anonymous youtube "scientist" only has links to drug marketing sites and WikiMcPedia....hmmmm....I wonder why?
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 month ago
@mykoolaidtastesfunny No i did not say that, but for me as a non scientist i have to chose between either side. The denialist side or the non denialsists. I go therefor with what is accepted in the community. Because there is a reason why a majority thinks HIV causes aids and not some medicine. It's because they tested it and papers show it works, if not then why the hack is it even used. If it was harm or non helpful it would be treated like homeopathy.
Quiestre 1 month ago
@Quiestre "Denialist" of WHAT? Weapons of mass destruction? Demonic possession? Body thetans?
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 month ago
@Quiestre Um....NO. Gallo announced the virus of mass destruction at a press conference back in 1984 before he even had any papers published. The papers he did publish later were found to be total frauds by the US Government during the Congressional Hearings into his conduct.
He never found any such VMD in any aids patient. He just lied called a press conference and patented an antibody test.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 month ago
@Quiestre Go look at Gallo's fabulous "evidence" for a VMD
google.......A Selection of HIV Documents
Evidence of Fraud?
Unearthed by US Governmental Investigations into the scientific work of Dr. Robert Gallo
Scroll down to see what the little shit scribbled out......"Despite intensive research efforts the causative agent of aids has...NOT...been identified"
Then he called a press conference and hit the patent office. GALLO is the "hiv" antibody test kit patent holder
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 month ago
@mykoolaidtastesfunny as far as i found out AZT isn't used in US anymore. But so called HAART.
AIDS. 1994 Mar;8(3):313-21.
"Zidovudine delayed progression to symptomatic HIV disease (P = 0.01); a trend in a delay in progression to CDC stage IV disease was observed (P = 0.08). Substantial toxicity was not observed."
This shows that it had a positive effect.
there is also more on that.
Quiestre 1 month ago
@Quiestre Really? Google.....ZIDOVUDINE
That's AZT. Who told you it isn't used any more? The same people who provided that reference?
The ONLY thing that study shows is that ZIDOVUDINE "improves virologic response" i.e. CD4 counts and "viral load" but that has NOTHING to do with health or mortality
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 month ago
@mykoolaidtastesfunny well sorry it's information from pub med, the same source someone else (or you, can't remember) used when trying to argue that AZT is bad, but was referring to a trial on AZT usage in EU and US and it's comparison. AZT seemed not to be too effective, that's why it's not mono-used (as far as i know) any longer in the us. btw i can reference more studies of it's effectiveness.
Quiestre 1 month ago
@Quiestre I said google....AZT LABEL to see what the manufacturers say about their own product
I'm not claiming that study isn't on PubMed. I'm pointing out that it doesn't show an improvement in health or mortality. It only claims to be "effective" at "improving" Cd4 counts and "viral load"
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 month ago
@mykoolaidtastesfunny Seems there was a miss communication. I looked up the label and it says "toxic" but you could even read side effects on wikipedia. But I kinda do not see your relationship with the claims in this video, that HIV does not cause aids but AZT does? That's my whole point. I defend the position that AIDS is cause by HIV.
Quiestre 1 month ago
@Quiestre "Hiv"? But even the "discoverer" never found it in an aids patient. Something imaginary can't be causing aids. AZT destroys the bone marrow which is the source of the immune response. People who do not take it far outlive those who do.
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mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 month ago
@Quiestre You said azt isn't used at all in the US. That's not true.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 month ago
@mykoolaidtastesfunny Yupp my bad, i simplified there, what I mean is "AZT monotherapy isn't used in the US anymore".
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mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 month ago
@Quiestre Yay! Now instead of one chemo drug they give cocktails aka HAART. Which also shows NO improvement in health or mortality. All those drugs are also FDA Black Box labeled which means they can cause serious injury and death even when taken exactly as prescribed.
The people who get a nonspecific reaction on Gallo's crap antibody test who do not take them far outlive those who do.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 month ago
@mykoolaidtastesfunny okay i wish i had more time right now, because i have to read more about it couse it seems that HIV/AIDS denialism is your life and you throw a lot of information at once at me. I have to work now i come back later on you when i have read more about some things you said.
Quiestre 1 month ago
@Quiestre Nobody disputes the existence of aids. Just the cause. It's more like body thetan "denialism". The "discoverer" never found it in an aids patient so it can't be the cause of aids.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 month ago
@Quiestre "Hiv"? You mean the cellular crap Gallo "discovered"?
Lancet. 2006 Aug 5;368(9534):451-8.
HIV treatment response and prognosis in Europe and North America in the first decade of highly active antiretroviral therapy: a collaborative analysis.
INTERPRETATION:
Virological response after starting HAART improved over calendar years, but such improvement has............NOT............... translated into a decrease in mortality."
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 month ago
Well, there is no cure for HIV/AIDS sooner or later peoples immune system will give in, no matter how much treatment. At least the treatment improves conditions, maybe sometimes even prevents death by HIV/AIDS. Why is your alternative? Any good treatments against HIV/AIDS?
Quiestre 1 month ago
@Quiestre *what is your alternative
Quiestre 1 month ago
@Quiestre Stop blaming immune problems on some VMD that even the "discoverer" never found in an aids patient. People could start there.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 month ago
@Quiestre "Hiv"? You mean the cellular crap Gallo "discovered"? I grew up with this virus of mass destruction bullshit in the family. In 27 years the ONLY people I know who got sick and died after getting a reaction on one of Gallo's crap unstandardized antibody tests were taking the "lifesaving" meds. The UNmedicated junkies are fine.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 month ago
@mykoolaidtastesfunny Well doesn't matter what anecdotal stories you have. Even if it is true what you said. People still died because of no medication. You can easily find "victims" of this believe that you are fine as long as you DON'T take medicine. I'm sorry people are dying because of HIV/AIDS whether they take medicine or not, the medicine is there to at least improve their lives.
Quiestre 1 month ago
@Quiestre The original aids cases were in a bunch of rampant drug addicts. You don't need a VMD to explain why those people got sick and died.
"Hiv"? But even the "discoverer" never found any such thing.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 month ago
@mykoolaidtastesfunny well because the discoverer is the most famous denialist. Go check out C0nc0rdance video "Does HIV Cause AIDS" it's in the sidebar.
Quiestre 1 month ago
@Quiestre Lmao.....concordance the anonymous youtube "scientist" aka JoeMarkLawson? That guy lies puts FAKE references in his videos and censors his channel.
I go to experts with identities and credentials I can easily verify thanks :P
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 month ago
@mykoolaidtastesfunny I can pretty much talk to him with no problem. And all his videos make much sense (and i'm not talking about his aids videos alone) also he references articles from pub med a trusted site with pear reviewed papers.
But of course he is part of the conspiracy because he does not support your point of view...
Quiestre 1 month ago
@Quiestre LYING to people and putting FAKE references up makes sense to you?
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 month ago
@Quiestre I have the direct links to the "hiv" test kit disclaimers on my channel and the first 2 scientists in my featured video have identities and credentials that are easily verified and they actually worked on the so-called "hiv" tests
At present (2011) there is no recognized standard for establishing the presence or absence of HIV-1 and HIV-2 antibody in human blood"
Abbott Laboratories, Diagnostic Division, 66-8805/R5;
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 month ago
@mykoolaidtastesfunny well there are also "creation scientists" who have credentials, does that say anything about the truth value of evolution vs. creationism??
Quiestre 1 month ago
@Quiestre Honey.....looking for ways to shoot messengers instead of addressing any points makes YOU sound like a creationist.
Are the test kit manufacturers "conspiring" against their own products?
PCR disclaimer....The ... AMPLICOR HIV-1 MONITOR Test, v1.5 is.......NOT......... intended to be used as a screening test for blood or blood products for the presence of HIV-1 or as a diagnostic test to confirm the presence of HIV-1 infection.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 month ago
@Quiestre I made a couple of videos "in honor of" the anonymous youtube "scientist"
see on youtube.......re: c0nc0rdance the anonymous youtube "scientist's" refs for What's the Harm: Eliza Jane Scovill
and.....C0nc0rdance aka JoeMarkLawson the anonymous youtube "scientist"
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 month ago
@Quiestre No honey.....a virus of mass destruction was all GALLOS bright idea and GALLO is the "hiv" antibody test patent holder.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 month ago
@mykoolaidtastesfunny If gallo is a fraud, then Montagnier and Barré-Sinoussi are too. So you say all those scientist are conspiring against humanity? And every other who is supporting these ideas too?
Quiestre 1 month ago
@Quiestre Montagnier never claimed to have discovered the cause of aids. He got sucked into a patent dispute with Gallo but Montagnier has been trying to back out of this VMD debacle for decades. Lol...you said it your self....one of the "discoverers" is one of the biggest "denialists"
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 month ago
@mykoolaidtastesfunny I'm sorry i was refering to düsburg, got mixed up there
Quiestre 1 month ago
@Quiestre ???? Duesberg never claimed to have discovered the cause of aids or that a retrovirus could cause disease
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 month ago
@mykoolaidtastesfunny if you can read i told you i mixed them up.
Quiestre 1 month ago
@Quiestre Well....as someone who grew up with this in the family that does make me think you literally have no idea of what you're talking about. You admit you get your info from anonymous unqualified amateurs
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 month ago
@Quiestre Were weapons of mass destruction a "conspiracy"? No. It's just the same old shit
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 month ago
@Quiestre Did you see that fraudster's Perth Group video? The reference that HE claims refutes the Perth Group's complaint that GALLOS "hiv" antibody tests are UNstandardized has NOTHING to do with antibody testing. He's a liar and fraud.
At present (2011) there is no recognized standard for establishing the presence or absence of HIV-1 and HIV-2 antibody in human blood"
Abbott Laboratories, Diagnostic Division, 66-8805/R5;
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 month ago
@Quiestre Did you miss this?
INTERPRETATION:
Virological response after starting HAART improved over calendar years, but such improvement has......................NOT..........................translated into a decrease in mortality.
Lancet. 2006 Aug 5;368(9534):451-8.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 month ago
@mykoolaidtastesfunny What's your point? That people still die even with medication? Well duh, of course because as far as i know there is no cure for aids. That's why aids is such a big problem. Because you cannot cure it, so people die from it.
Quiestre 1 month ago
@Quiestre I just told you...........stop blaming immune problems on some phantom virus of mass destruction that even the "discoverer" never found in an aids patient.
See on youtube.........THE LIVING PROOF THE LINDSEY NAGEL STORY
Her medical records are in the documents link. ALL the kids in her state who took the "lifesaving" meds are now dead.
also see on youtube.....Peter Duesberg and The Nagel Family - Rethinking AIDS 2009
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 month ago
@mykoolaidtastesfunny So what are you advocating, that people who are HIV positive are free to infect anyone else because it's not harmful and only if you take the medication? okay let's assume for a moment that is correct. Then well no harm in unprotected sex with HIV+ people. But what if not? From a logical perspective alone it is safer if you treat HIV+ as dangerous. Let alone the evidence that it is harmful
Quiestre 1 month ago
@Quiestre I said it........STOP blaming aids on something even the "discoverer" NEVER found in an aids patient.
There are literally DOZENS apon DOZENS of documented reasons for reactions on Gallo's crap antibody test listed in the medical literature. Why ASSUME a reaction = anything in particular? Gallo had NOTHING to compare his tests to to validate them scientifically.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 month ago
@Quiestre “A total of 172 participants died [169 who had taken some AZT, 3 who had only taken placebo]
Concorde Coordinating Committee. Concorde: MRC/ANRS randomised double-blind controlled trial of immediate and deferred zidovudine in symptom-free HIV infection. Lancet. 1994 Apr 9; 343(8902): 871–81.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 month ago
@Quiestre Have you been reading the Ministry of Aidstruth? I find a lot of you VMD cultists get "your" ideas from them
Google......THE GUINEA PIG KIDS THE BBC AND THE AIDSTRUTH MAFIA
There are zero SCIENTISTS on the board. "Dr" Jeanne Bergman is a lawyer whose PhD is in Marketing and Professor Nick teaches economics. They're funded by the companies whose products they promote. It's a drug marketing site
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 month ago
@mykoolaidtastesfunny Well there is a scientist on youtube called c0nc0rdance who does videos on aids denialism. I'm not a scientist, i can only talk about the things that i know and learned. So in the end i have to trust the ones in the fields. And i do trust him because he backs up his claims with data, and papers. he also talks about other pseudoscience and conspiracies, therefor i know he is not full of shit.
Quiestre 1 month ago
@Quiestre The anonymous youtube "scientist"? He used to go by JoeMarkLawson. His comments are still up on "My Hiv Soapbox" video.
Can you find a scientist by that name? I couldn't. There's some guy by that name in charge of the tutoring program out in WestBumfuck but that's as close as I got
He LIES and puts FAKE references in his videos. He also censors his channel since the anonymous youtube "scientist" doesn't like it when someone exposes his flat out lies
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 month ago
Yay more misinformation about Aids. Well you aids denialists are sure active. How about some real scientific papers about AZT causes Aids? @jerseygrl5 neat little story but how could anyone believe anything you say in a youtube comment with backing it up?
Well keep denying as long as you don't harm anyone else you can have as much aids and die as you want.
Quiestre 1 month ago
@Quiestre Nobody disputes the existence of "aids" you genius. What's in dispute is the cause.
If you want evidence that AZT causes "aids" google.......AZT LABEL
Where do YOU form your immune response? I use my bone marrow for mine.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 month ago
@mykoolaidtastesfunny Wow what a great help, "google AZT LABEL" it's like saying "google aliens visited the earth" and that's somehow prove for aliens... Seriously, all accepted medical papers show that AZT does not cause aids and it actually helps. Conspiracy theories just make unproven statements about stuff it doesn't understand.
Quiestre 1 month ago
@Quiestre Um....are you serious? Reading label is suspect to you? You must be a drug marketers wet dream
Idiot....YOU making an unsubstantiated claim is NOT scientific evidence. I just posted some and peer reviewed SCIENTIFIC references are not a "conspiracy". Neither is reading labels lol ;)
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 month ago
@Quiestre Do you not understand who labels products? Um...DUH! It's the manufacturers themselves you genius. What information about their product do YOU have access to that they missed?
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 month ago
@Quiestre See on youtube......THE LIVING PROOF THE LINDSEY NAGEL STORY
Her medical records are in the documents link. Why do you want to "deny" that something that comes with a skull and crossbones the word TOXIC and an admission that it destroys bone marrow on the label is poison?
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 month ago
@Quiestre Concorde Coordinating Committee. Concorde: MRC/ANRS randomised double-blind controlled trial of immediate and deferred zidovudine in symptom-free HIV infection. Lancet. 1994 Apr 9; 343(8902): 871–81.
“A total of 172 participants died [169 who had taken some AZT, 3 who had only taken placebo]
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 month ago
"House of Numbers" and "rethinkingAIDS" are the start of self-education instead of the pharma-controlled myths from mainstream media and medical/military one-way corridor. Stop the tests, stop the killing.
poetxyz 2 months ago
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I think Dr Sebi has a lot to do with the upfront talk about AIDS and HIV. Never before no one mentioned anything of AIDS or HIV positive can be cured. Suddenly so many experts now Aids is curable HIV doesn't cause Aids, where were you guys before? One thing I know: you can lie and fool people in the dark but when the light turns on all lies and liars will disappear. If you want to read more about the cure for AIDS google Dr Sebi for more infos
johnsupplice 3 months ago
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johnsupplice 3 months ago
The wikipedia article on Peter Duesberg gives a well-referenced account of why Duesberg is wrong.
TheRedFuji 5 months ago
@TheRedFuji The wikipedia article is rather biased. Interesting read none the less, but they simply dismiss the big discepencies with HIV theory he brought up as saying he did selective reading. But if the infection is spread 50/50 yet the disease is 90/10... I don't see how thats a product of selective reading to find something strange there. While the article says the drug link to AIds was disproven... I don't see how that is if the majority of aids patentients are heavy drug users.
GhostInTheShell29 5 months ago
@TheRedFuji Lmao....google.....The unqualified (= without qualifications) gurus of Wikipedia
Also google.....There Will Be No Heterosexual AIDS Epidemic, Experts Admit
"No, really. But take it from someone you trust, Dr. Kevin de Cock of the World Health Organization: “[T]here will be no generalised epidemic of Aids in the heterosexual population outside Africa.”
“A 25-year health campaign was misplaced outside the continent of Africa,” the article concedes,
mykoolaidtastesfunny 5 months ago
Also google.....Duesberg vindicated
".......In this connection, it’s worth noting too that Duesberg’s criticism of inflated AIDS-death numbers for South Africa, suppressed from Medical Hypotheses, has been vindicated by publication in a...... peer-reviewed, PubMed-abstracted journal......Defenders of the flawed HIV = AIDS belief have resorted to ad hominem attacks for upwards of two decades simply because they have never been able to answer substantively the points raised by Peter Duesberg
mykoolaidtastesfunny 5 months ago
@musicgaga85 it was banned before and brought back on the market.
blue03r6 5 months ago
@musicgaga85 California also added it to its list if known carcinogens as of Dec 2009
mykoolaidtastesfunny 5 months ago
@musicgaga85 Yes. It is marketed as "zidovudine" so people will keep buying it.
Google....AZT LABEL
mykoolaidtastesfunny 5 months ago
Do Pharma companies make lots of money from selling AZT?
Just wondering.
GravityBoy72 5 months ago
@GravityBoy72 said to be in the billions per year.
blue03r6 5 months ago
its all a big scam....
FlankerVT 6 months ago
1:20 masonic handshake with the pope lol
TheUnknownGrower 6 months ago
They killed Freddie with that AZT.
Craf7y 7 months ago
Illuminati scums will burn in hell. I really pity the poor africans being deceived this way. Millions of people are dying while these scums are making billions. Even cancer can be treated with baking soda. Hiv, cancer, vaccines, full of shit and full of deception.
lovetoact 10 months ago
Googgle "Bob Beck protcol". There is a device that cures it . Cost around $300. Also , aids patients should be drinking a glass a day of organic cocnut water. It breaks down the coating of the virus so the body can eliminate it.
tbursee 1 year ago
@tbursee I read it was coconut oil!! Thanks for the info!
Aquamonkeyify 1 year ago
JAMA, which I spotted here, was also a journal that slandered Dr. Crenshaw, who examined JFK right after he was shot, but before he was put in a casket. Dr. Crenshaw reported a huge gaping hole in the back of JFK's head, and a small entrance hole in the forehead, proving the head shot came from the front. But Dr. Crenshaw successfully sued JAMA for libel. Basically, even prestigious scientific journals just spread lies --- no different than the tabloids. Read Crenshaw's "Trauma Room One"
mooninquirer 1 year ago
Remember guys.. The Illuminati's goal is to deplete the population down to a certain amount to begin the New World Order. It's more than logical they're spreding the Aids fear all over the world so people can star buying the AZT wich makes their pocket FULL of green over the years.. These guys make over billiones of $ selling these AZT drugs.. now back to the Illuminati.. does it make sense? yes it does. we're being controled guys.. WAKE THE FUCK UP and belive what u see thru here. not the MEDIA
Santiagofigueroa2010 1 year ago
@Santiagofigueroa2010 I think you are on to something. This very well could be a massive eugenics program feeding DNA destroying drugs like AZT to poor people in Africa. As for the illuminati, notice that Robert Gallo and Anthony Fauci are both from Jesuit / Vatican backgrounds along with HHS Sec, Margaret Heckler. The Jesuits merged with Free Masonry back in 1773 under Jesuit professor Adam Weishaupt. So...Jesuits could very well be behind the HIV/AIDS mass genocide, serving AZT .
WillSee11 1 year ago
y halo thar. AZT is not supposed to be used alone. Durhurhurhur
Saiko47 1 year ago
people need to be aware of this---fuck the drug companies....
barleythere83 1 year ago 2
aztsuckscom AZTSUCKS facebook
aztsucks 1 year ago
"WARNING: Keep out of reach of children under 6 years of age. If you accidentally swallow more than used for brushing your teeth, seek professional help or contact a poison control center immediately"
You`re right it doesn´t have a skull and crossbones and I´m guessing you don´t know the number of your local poison centre...but they do have this warning hidden quiet discreetly. Now tell us, are you going to go to so much effort over the hidden dangers of brushing our teeth?
Who do you trust?
Bighairyjoesph 1 year ago
@Bighairyjoesph I trust that the manufacturers of AZT know their own product
AZT LABEL....big skull and cross bones...TOXIC...toxic by inhalation, in contact with skin and if swallowed. Target organ: blood bone marrow. if you feel unwell seek medical advice. Show label where possible. Wear suitable protective clothing
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 year ago
@Bighairyjoesph
And what organ makes the blood necessary for immune function? Yeah...the bone marrow which AZT targets and destroys
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 year ago
@Bighairyjoesph Adn WHY do people think they need to take drugs like that? Oh because Gallo decided to falsify his data and piss all over the scientific process. No other reason.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 year ago
Listen, you should look at the rest of the list of products and other known causes of Cancers in the State of California. The same state wants to put a warning on fries for god´s sake!! What do you brush your teeth with...floride? That causes cancer too mate!
Its clear that Duesberg is a ham. He´s been disclaimed by practically the whole science community...including his publisher and now even policy in South Africa is changing.
Bighairyjoesph 1 year ago
@Bighairyjoesph If you want to reply to me hit reply or I'll think you're being sneaky
Do ANY of the things you just names come with a skull and cross bones and the word TOXIC on their labels? No. Is their designed purpose the destruction of the bone marrow? NO.
Calling people names does not change that. WHY do you think there is a virus of mass destruction when even the "discoverer" never actually found one?
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 year ago
@Bighairyjoesph Google....A Selection of HIV Documents
Evidence of Fraud?
Unearthed by US Governmental Investigations into the scientific work of Dr. Robert Gallo
Make note of the NIH's letter to Gallo...WHAT virus Gallo? Then scroll down to see what Gallo scribbled out...."DESPITE INTENSIVE RESEARCH EFFORTS THE CAUSATIVE AGENT OF AIDS HAS NOT BEEN IDENTIFIED"
Then he bypassed peer review by announcing his "disocvery" at a press conference
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 year ago
@Bighairyjoesph . Letter from Dr. Gonda XE the Head of Electron Microscopy at the"National Institutes of Health" "Gallo, Robert" . He reports that images wanted for the Science papers, do.....NOT....contain HIV XE "HIV" (HTLVIII) a s Gallo had claimed, but only cellular rubbish. This was received only 3 days before Gallo sent in the Science papers for publication, When the papers appeared in print, they still contained photos credited to Gonda, with Gallo saying they contain HIV.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 year ago
@Bighairyjoesph The World Health Organization confesses that 25 years of international Aids projections and programs were based on fear, not evidence.
Threat of world Aids pandemic among heterosexuals is over, report admits, The Independent announced on Sunday, June 8, 2008
No, really. But take it from someone you trust, Dr. Kevin de Cock of the World Health Organization: [T]here will be no generalised epidemic of Aids in the heterosexual population outside Africa.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 year ago
@Bighairyjoesph Also...no...you have it backwards. Duesberg is a member of the national Academy of Arts and Sciences. You don't get any more mainstream than that. It was Robert GALLO that was found guilty of fraud and "scientific miscinduct" on more than one occassion by more than one governmental agency.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 year ago
Check out the facts on Duesburg on Wikipedia. If anyone is responsible for people dying, it´s more than likely him.
Bighairyjoesph 1 year ago
@Bighairyjoesph Those are not "facts". It's just anonymously written libel. Google "AZT LABEL" if you want to see a fact. Also note that California added azt to its list of known carcinogens as of Dec 2009. Also...the World Health Organization cancelled the hetero aids epodemic in 2008 which proves Duesberg's theory correct.
Why do you think there is a virus of mass destruction when even the "discoverer" never actually found one in a human being?
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 year ago
My brother started on AZT after getting pneumonia and being diagnosed with HIV. He immediately began going down hill after starting AZT and died an ugly death within the year after starting AZT. He swore it was the AZT killing him but kept on it because my mother begged him as she believed and trusted the doctors. I hope these killers fry in hell.
jerseygrl5 1 year ago 50
@jerseygrl5 I am so sorry for your loss. Parents are so set in the old ways and trust these murderers. My parents are the same way. I hope there is a Hell for these murderers.
amorhombre 1 year ago
@jerseygrl5 I am so sorry to hear about your brother. It is really strange, about 75% of the people who took AZT got very sick right away..others just seemed pass it right through the system. Of course an attack on your system with a DNA chain terminating drug will send your T-Cells into high gear and reproducing as fast as possible, which makes AID$ Inc. say that the AZT is "killing HIV". But as time goes on the immune system wears out, and collapses. Many people KNOW it is AZT killing them.
WillSee11 1 year ago
@WillSee11 Thank you "Will". He was my only sibling, and we were very close because we lost my father to a heart attack when we were in our early teens. I can't think about or it will makes me insane. When he passed he told me he'd always be with me and I know he is in spirit but I miss him desperately. It will be 20 years in April but the pain of losing him is still an open wound.
jerseygrl5 1 year ago
@jerseygrl5 I can feel your sadness over losing someone so close to you, and I can only offer my sincere sympathies and support. But I want to thank you for standing up and letting other people know about what happened, because this helps us reach others that we can help. In this way, I think his death was not in vain, and though we haven't stopped this terrible fraud, we ARE plucking more people out of its control. With condolences..thanks
WillSee11 1 year ago
@jerseygrl5
AZT killed people because doctors gave toxic doses. Now it is given in safer doses with other therapies in order to control the virus. HAART therapy is not pretty, yes, but it is much safer than before.
chaosbringer127 10 months ago
@chaosbringer127 Google....AZT LABEL
This label has appeared on bottles containing as little as 25 milligrams,
a small fraction (1/20-1/50) of a patients daily prescribed dose.
There is ZERO evidence that taking ANY of that poisonous crap improves health or lifespan as compared to taking nothing at all. ALL of he HAART drugs come with FDA Black Box Warning labels that list "death" as a "side effect" i.e. NOT safe at all.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 10 months ago
@mykoolaidtastesfunny
It's really a choice. HAART therapy is extremely toxic and has horrific side effects, yet you will probably live a relatively longer life to your 60s and 70s. Or you could chose to not take HAART, and die in 10 years after diagnosis with HIV. Contrary to your claim that there is no evidence, there have been numerous publications concerning the subject. I had to write a report for my Medical Microbiology class on the topic. It isn't fiction. It's reality.
chaosbringer127 10 months ago
@chaosbringer127 There is ZERO evidence that taking ANY of those drugs improves health or mortality
Lancet. 2006 Aug 5;368(9534):451-8.
HIV treatment response and prognosis in Europe and North America in the first decade of highly active antiretroviral therapy: a collaborative analysis.
INTERPRETATION: Virological response after starting HAART improved over calendar years, but such improvement has.......................NOT................... translated into a decrease in mortality.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 10 months ago
@mykoolaidtastesfunny
Do you want me to link you studies that prove otherwise?
chaosbringer127 10 months ago
@chaosbringer127 Sure honey...you find me a study that shows taking those drugs improves health and mortlaity over taking nothing at all.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 10 months ago
Concorde Coordinating Committee. Concorde: MRC/ANRS randomised double-blind controlled trial of immediate and deferred zidovudine in symptom-free HIV infection. Lancet. 1994 Apr 9; 343(8902): 871–81.
“A total of 172 participants died [169 who had taken some AZT, 3 who had only taken placebo]...
mykoolaidtastesfunny 10 months ago
@mykoolaidtastesfunny
I guess that's a "no" on the proof?
chaosbringer127 10 months ago
@chaosbringer127 No...I said...you go for it. Give it your best shot. NONE of the drug manufacturers claim their products improve health or life span so I'm curious what info you have access to that they missed.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 10 months ago
@jerseygrl5 Time sorts everything and those responsible will be sent straight to hell. Don't worry your brother is definitely in a better place now.
LeoE08 6 months ago
@LeoE08 Thanks Leo! Yes, I know he is in a better place, but I miss him terribly.
jerseygrl5 6 months ago
To say aids exist is to say God made it, nothing exists that God did not make. Satan wants to blame the misery of the world on God. God did not make aids, a host of other doctor named ailments humans give drugs in a vain attempt to help. The list of ailments you heard stated, what are not stated are a demonic lie to make money. A shifted atlas partially closing the door to the nerve's exiting the brain that gets worse over time more that likely from birth is the beginning of a worsening problem.
kobidobidog 2 years ago
HIV causes AIDS.
This is known from many species of animals, it is studied in parallel and a definite fact. The HIV virus in humas is related to every other HIV virus found in apes and felines etc
The evidence is overwhelming but this assclown denialists who do not understand the topic doubt reality through their own ignorance.
User' c0nc0rdance' is a scientist who studies disease and has made videos on HIV/AIDS denialism explaining the evidence and why denialists are WRONG.
digitised 2 years ago
Logical fallacy #1..."proof" by assertion
Lmao...Concordance doesn't read past the titles of the studies he references. One of his sources which he claims refutes the Perth Group's complaint that the Western Blot evaluation criteria are inconsistent has NOTHING to do with WB.
He is either a liar or too stupid to read past the titles of papers
mykoolaidtastesfunny 2 years ago
You could write the book on logical fallacies using just that idiot's videos as examples.
He especially likes ad hominem, ad populum aka "proof" by consensus, false dilemmas, non sequiturs and guilt by association
mykoolaidtastesfunny 2 years ago
Concordance doesn't even have a PhD. He doesn't have better info about the tests than the scientists who make them.
"At present, there is no recognized standard for establishing the presence or absence of antibodies to HIV-1 and HiV2 in human blood"
I have the direct link to the disclaimer on my channel. Click and scroll down to "Sensitivity Specificity"
The manufacturers ADMIT that the tests are UNstandardized. You my as well be using emeters.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 2 years ago
GALLO never even found such a virus in his aids patients. He just falsified his data and by passed peer review by calling a press conference.
You can have FAITH in his "lucky guess" if you want but the justification for any scientific theory lies in its ability to accurately predict future events. The virus of mass destruction theory has been a 100% failure in that regard.
My faith is used up. Now I want evidence.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 2 years ago
Oh and...I blocked you too you gutless coward. Did you think you could send me abusive PM's and then deny me the right to reply by blocking me and I wouldn't just block you back?
Answering a person's personal attacks with evidence isn't "spamming" You just wish it was.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 2 years ago
Well then how do you explain the people that have AIDS who are HIV Negative?
I know someone who has AIDS who is HIV negative.
And how do you explain the 95 per cent of people who live with HIV who dont take drugs who live normal, long lives? A very good friend of mine has had HIV since the 80's and he is still here and healthy.
SugarRock 2 years ago 3
Direct those questions to a doctor or medical expert if you want an informed answer. Im just a guy off the internet who has lost a family member (13 years ago) to HIV illness.
Anecdotal experience counts for nothing, so your stories could be flawed or misguided for all you know. Why not take that intelligent step of asking the expert instead of taking your information from conspiracy theorists?
Nearly all Drs agree that HIV leads to aids in many different species of animal.
digitised 2 years ago
WHAT did your family member die of? Liver failure? Heart attack? Lymphoma? WHAT? WHY does ANYONE think there's a virus of mass destruction when even the discoverer never actually found any in any of his aids patients?
mykoolaidtastesfunny 2 years ago
[Anthony] Fauci is one of the US Governments major architects of the myth that HIV has been proven to be the cause of AIDS and that stopping HIV will save livesa myth that has become so entrenched in medicines conventional wisdom that to question it is tantamount [to] treason.
There are not sufficient enough data to understand the properties of HIV because the scientific literature is nothing more than opinions, poorly conducted studies and reviews of poorly conducted studies.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 2 years ago
"U.S. government funded AIDS research has become a jobs program for scientists who lack the courage and resources to challenge conventional scientific wisdom."
quotes are from...— Dr. Howard Urnovitz, PhD, Microbiologist and Immunologist, Science Director, Chronic Illness Research Foundation, co-founder and CEO, Chronix Biomedical. Dr. Urnovitzs team developed the only FDA-licensed urine-based diagnostic test for antibodies to HIV. Rethinkaids com. The direct link is on my channel
mykoolaidtastesfunny 2 years ago
"If you think a virus is the cause of AIDS, do a control without it. To do a control is the first thing you teach undergraduates. But it hasnt been done. The epidemiology of AIDS is a pile of anecdotal stories selected to the virus-AIDS hypothesis. People dont bother to check the details of popular dogma or consensus views."
— Dr. Kary Mullis, PhD, Biochemist, Winner, 1993 Nobel Prize for Chemistry for inventing PCR the basis for the HIV viral load tests
Rethinkaids com
mykoolaidtastesfunny 2 years ago
To see more from scientists who do NOT believe in the virus of mass destruction google...
IS HIV REALLY THE CAUSE OF AIDS?
ARE THERE REALLY ONLY A FEW
SCIENTISTS WHO DOUBT THIS?
The direct link to the page is on my channel. There is also a direct link to see Gallo's original "proof" and also a letter from the head of the EM DEpt of the NIH asking Gallo....WHAT virus? All you have is cellular garbage here.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 2 years ago
digitised
Here's some firsthand information for you...
I tested positive for HIV in 1991 - twice. Nineteen years later I am still here and healthy - in fact I am thriving. I've been a bodybuilder all my life and though I am getting older I recently was able to bench press my all-time best.
I was terrified I was gong to die a premature and horrible death. My fiance even left me right after I was tested and I never married not wanting to infect anyone. HIV scare tactics almost ruined my life.
CheapSuit100 2 years ago 6
There are actually known genes that grant very good immunity to HIV, however your story does not count for much if you are seriously insinuating that HIV/AIDS is not a serious disease.
I cannot test or verify your story, and i am certainly not qualified to do so. If you think it is all nonsense, then go take your case to the professionals and have them check you over. Dont however make public claims like this because you could genuinely support what is a denialist movement and harm more ppl.
digitised 2 years ago
Nothing in science is fully understood, especially viruses like HIV (which constantly mutate) and have no known cure. However this does not mean that the disease does not exist, or that there is a conspiracy being operated by 'big pharma'. Think carefully, just because you are still alive doesnt mean other people havent died. My uncle died age 37 of HIV related illness, thats far from normal and he also never took AZT, that stuff wasnt even on the shelves when he was HIV+.
digitised 2 years ago
digitised
My point is that the HIV SCARE TACTICS ALMOST KILLED ME. I went through major depression for a long time & was lucky that didn't bring on some sort of disease.
Everything I read from the AIDS "experts" told me I was going to get sick & die soon. I never took the AIDS counter drugs because I never had health insurance but made too much to qualify for free clinics in my area & that could be what saved my life.
Some of these "experts" do a lot of psychological harm to people like me.
CheapSuit100 2 years ago 6
Like i said, how can i verify anything you tell me? For all i know you could have been misdiagnosed, does that make it right for you to propogate that HIV is harmless as long as you dont take the evil killer drugs?
No.
The advice of 20 years ago was limited to the knowledge of that time. HIV was a killer and it still is, if you have it and you are still alive then damn you are lucky.
So why not go seek experts help and clear that up with them. Attacking me is not the way forward here.
digitised 2 years ago
digitised
I'm not attacking you but making the point to anyone that reads my post that has tested positive for HIV...
Don't think you are going to die just because the "experts" say you are. I'm damn lucky I didn't blow my brains out to avoid the horrible sickness that medical science told me was surely waiting for me.
I'm not saying go perform risky behavior - I'm saying there are a lot of people out there completely depressed that think HIV positive is a death sentence. Understand now???
CheapSuit100 2 years ago 5
Well since you have completely rephrased your points..of course it seems reasonable.
However your earlier post clearly puts HIV in the light of harmless and a misused scare term, something which it is not. You pretty much echoed and supported the views of those who call it a lie giving them more of a voice. If you died tomorrow of your illness, they would not give a crap and deny it was anything to do with you being HIV+, and blame everything but HIV, because these ppl have done so all along.
digitised 2 years ago
digitised
"So why not go seek experts help and clear that up with them"
Unfortunately, because I tested positive for HIV I AM DENIED HEALTH INSURANCE FOR LIFE so I can't go have experts check me out. See the problem now if they aren't sure??? It is likely now that something else is going to kill me because I am denied medical treatment for lack of insurance.
This is just one of the many harmful side effects to people like me if the experts are wrong and that would be criminal.
CheapSuit100 2 years ago 5
Spare me the bullshit please
If i was still alive having being diagnosed with HIV 20 years ago, i would put together every dollar i could to get checked over at this stage.
Hell id phone universities, and medical centres...globally, professing that i was still alive and well with HIV after 20 years.
The press would be clawing at my door to pay for my tests because my story is so out of the ordinary. Please dont use this poor excuse to ignore why you havent made any effort.
digitised 2 years ago
See on youtube
The Living Proof The Lindsey Nagel Story
out of all the "hiv+" kids in her state she was the only one NOT taking the meds and also the only one to live to adulthood. Her medical records are in the deansmay link in the video description box. Her story is not out of the ordinary. It's typical....the only people dying of "hiv" either already have underlying health issues or they're taking the "life saving" meds.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 2 years ago 3
digitised, you'd phone medical centres, etc? What makes you think many survivors have NOT done so?
Scientific journals and "respected" medical institutions are too scared. Even in the mainstream media I've seen reports of long term HIV positives who didn't mind the spotlight, & even of the odd scientist saying "Umm.... maybe it's NOT always fatal"
Try World Without Aids, a book documenting cases of "full blown AIDS" that were "cured" by the patients STOPPING their meds
queenastilon 2 years ago
You're a fucking moron. Go fuck yourself. I won't argue with you douchebags any more. You're out to sell something. thats what it comes down to. So keep watching your Glenn beck, and like I said, go fuck yourself. I'm not replying/reading anything from you idiots. You waste my time and I want it back. Fuck you.
oversled22 1 year ago
@oversled22 You're not replying to or reading anything? WE are wasting your time?? Then why do you argue/accuse ME? Talk about reversal.
I am not selling anything at all, I merely pointed someone to long-existing books which I DON'T sell. I don't know who Glenn beck is.
As to this: "go fuck yourself. I'm not replying/reading anything from you idiots. You waste my time and I want it back. Fuck you.." well, back atcha, pal
queenastilon 1 year ago
digitsed
"Like i said, how can i verify anything you tell me?"
And how can I verify anything that you told me about your uncle, that you even had an uncle, that he died of AIDS, and that he didn't take AZT. So, according to you, I guess there isn't much point in anyone posting anything in these forums anymore is there?
Goodbye
CheapSuit100 2 years ago 15
My uncle got HIV and he is now dead, there is nothing out of the ordinary with this example, countless people have died from HIV in the short run.
However you being alive after 19 years with HIV is quite...incredible.
So asking me to listen to judge your story is quite unreasonable because i am unable to verify that what you have told me is accurate, and by your own admission you have done nothing to get any further checks done.
Great claims require great evidence.
You have none.
digitised 2 years ago
digitised
It seems to me that you are someone that just likes to argue - I don't.
And there is no way I would want to publicize to the world that I have HIV with all the prejudice and discrimination that still exists. Having people want to use me as a guinea pig or knocking at my door would just be a horrible nightmare for me - I enjoy living too much for that.
Believe what you want - I don't care - I'm outta here.
CheapSuit100 2 years ago 6
You still have not said what he died of. It could be that he was killed by the meds. Heart attack? Lymphoma? Liver failure?
Most of those "aids" deaths we've heard so much about are actually medication deaths. I already suggested you check out Lindsey Nagels medical records. One living kid nine dead ones is pretty compelling evidence
mykoolaidtastesfunny 2 years ago
digitised, perhaps you should ask yourself why you're so hotly denying things people are telling you here? Why so resistant? I'm not being snide here, and not speculating, I don't think I know why but please, just read some of the material already suggested to you by others. You'll find plenty of verifiable references to hard scientific data in them. You've studied the other side's arguments (so have most of us), now study THIS side
queenastilon 2 years ago
@CheapSuit100
What he is trying to say is
- the HIV virus has never been isolated. (that means there is no proof of that it is there)
-the hiv antiboties are also antiboties for many other viruses
-there are many MANY people who need hiv to exist because they have gone out of their way to build their livelihood
-people have been brainwashed (like yourself) to not even consider that the medical community needs people to be sick with something to keep their funding
-No one cares
Seyahhsod 1 year ago
They got someone in my family. You're lucky you didn't go on the meds. California added azt to its list of known carcinogens as of Dec 2009. She was in relatively good health (for a junkie) until she started taking the meds and now it's a horror show. And not just her. I kept seeing nothing but exceptions to the doctrine for 20 years. So I started asking questions one day. It's big scam. It's the meds killing people not some phantom virus
mykoolaidtastesfunny 2 years ago 3
digitised, you tell someone not to make public claims because that's supporting AIDS denialism, but keep making public claims about a family member as if you know for a fact what he died of was the HIV virus - you're supporting THAT view.
So don't tell people with information that you apparently lack that they should keep quiet. We have the pharmaceutical companies and their paid stooges to do that, thanks.
queenastilon 2 years ago
digitised
In addition I have never taken AZT nor any other HIV counter drug. I haven't done anything special to combat AIDS other than quit drinking (so I wouldn't end up in bed with anymore whores).
I continue to workout and eat right, but nothing special. I get colds and flu like anyone else and I get over them. I work full-time, I do everything that everyone else does.
Maybe I'm just a freak of nature but if the cause of AIDS isn't fully understood then maybe they should admit that.
CheapSuit100 2 years ago 6
Nothing that any of you people say makes any sense. I gave this stuff a shot but your arguments are presented in convoluted, quite paranoid manners. You're either doing this on purpose just to be fucking evil, or you're incredibly ignorant. Please re-examine the case you're trying to make. It simply doesnt add up. I gave it a shot. I tried. But I'm sorry, it's quite dumb. HIV CAUSES AIDS.
oversled22 2 years ago
@ oversled, Paranoid? No.. more like pissed off. angry. upset. betrayed.blatantly lied to. The CDC and their elite should pay for the criminal enterprise they have built in the last 25 years. The phoney construct of AIDS shall be abolished and the "House of Numbers" be revealed to all of humanity.
HIVVideos 2 years ago
Lol.......oookkaay......
oversled22 2 years ago
oversled22, what all the doctors and scientists who've put their careers on the line, given up cushy jobs to come out with the truth... are just fucking evil and/or ignorant? You don't really believe that yourself!
You say it simply doesn't add up. I found nothing hard to understand in the vid... what is giving you a problem?
queenastilon 2 years ago