In the 1950s, a research scientist began a routine experiment concerning natal blood type, trying to figure out which characteristics were dominant. He found that 11 per cent of the babies born in American hospitals had blood types belonging to neither the mother nor the father--meaning the biological father was not the male listed on the birth certificate. The researcher was so dismayed by these findings that he suppressed them for over twenty years. I'd say the trend is higher now.
Hello AdvJoe24Seven I've found an article regarding the guilty until proven innocent laws for all men accused of rape. WOW sounds a lot like VAWA here in the U.S. Again men are guilty until proven innocent. Who would ever have thought it would come to this! Sex is now rape until proven otherwise
Article: Rape defendants may have to prove they had consent
By Robert Verkaik, Legal Affairs Correspondent
Article was in the Independent magazine in the UK. DOES ANYONE KNOW IF THIS HAS PASSED?
The law passed (UK), although recently, a 42 year old drunk lawyer, woke up the next morning with a 26 year old male, accusing him of rape as she couldn't remember consenting, and the jury found him not guilty.
IbnSheba you are incredible! Here's a true story for ya. 2 Lesbians approached a man that 1 was friends with and asked him to donate sperm. A legal contract was signed that he would never be liable for child support. The lesbians then sued him for child support claiming that the man had acted like a father and won the case and became close to the child. THIS IS FAIR... YOU FEMINISTS ARE AMAZING, ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE.
In England at the moment laws are being passed that take a womans responsibilty for her actions and pass them on to men and hold them accountable and the feminists love it..........BUT if a women in not responsable for actions how can she be equal she is being treated like a child so for feminist to like this there must be another agender .I wonder what that could be????????
men now have to prove the woman consented to sex otherwise it will be rape also if a woman has been drinking (depending on the amount of achol not sure of the levels ) she will be classed as unable to give consent and again its rape
What is wrong with the women who have commented on this video, if you dont have to pay the woman if you leave why should you have to pay for her kids if there not yours.
---In practice we define parenthood by being a parent. The guy I previously spoke of was a parent tyo [his] child because he acted [and felt] like one. Marrige and parenting within marriage is what defines fatherhood. DNA isn't important unless the marriage isn't working. Marriage legitimates children. You shouldn't try to elevate a detail like DNA into sometype of a god.
If we treat DNA like it isn't important, we encourage women to sleep around and leech off the resources of the man she is currently with. This needs to stop. There's no problem with being a rolemodel for the child. But paying for a child that's not yours? That's another matter entirely.
-----Your reasoning is circular. You have to start with an agreed upon definition for "your child". Then -and only then- can you argue that the child isn't your over DNA (or some other factor).
----Also you shouldn't tell other people, other couples how to live. USA people have not accepted DNA as the standard. Your words don't make it so.
I'm not telling other people how to live. If a man wants to support a child that's not his, fine. I'm saying a man should not be FORCED to pay for a child that's not his. You are telling couples how to live, not me.
"USA hasn't accepted DNA as the standard. You words don't make it so." - Just because it's in the law doesn't make it right. That's kind of the whole idea behind social movements. It was also "accepted as standard" that women couldn't hold office prior to 1900.
Whether I say "if" or not doesn't change the fact that it is unjust to make a father pay for a child that is not his. I refuse to be an enabler to bad women, or excuse or encourage female wrongdoing and make the man pay for it, which seems to be a hallmark of many feminist supporters. I understand that this doesn't fit in with "sexual liberation," but you can see the outcome of this liberation in the first 30 seconds of my vid. It's time for women to stop using their sexuality to exploit men.
-----The child is his if society says it is his. Only you are adopting the new tool of DNA as parenting's sole standard. Marriage, not a DNA test, determines who the child's parents are.
-----If you don't want to enable "bad women" don't marry them! Or divorce them when they fool around! But if you marry her, and stay with her, her kids are your kids. It's called marriage.
-Divorcing a woman who is fooling around so she can take the rest of your children due to court bias, and then alienate you from your home?
-Many men are forced to pay child support who were never married and are not the father.
-I am not the only one adopting the new tool of DNA. Check the vids in the first and second link to the right for clear proof against both your points. In those cases, fatherhood is unjustly being established financially, not by marriage or DNA.
Also, check the 5th link on the right, which shows that paternity fraud is being challenged across the nation. This is clear evidence that society's standard is not as unified against DNA testing as you say it is.
There is a link in the side corner of this video, which states this at the end:
"Through such a hard but sincere struggle, feminists and their work will not be ignored. Instead, patriarchy and gender will be recognized as one of many reasons why domestic violence exists. In so doing, feminism will maintain its legitimacy. And, with a great deal of hope, effort, and time, a real end to domestic violence will be found."
This was from an essay about female abusers. Feminism shelters the abusers!
Great Video Gogo, I will be checking out those websites. Men have very few rights when it comes to their children except to keep the money flowing - I will never get married or have kids - I am 30 and already have had the snip - relief !!!!!
----Your points range from the very sensible to the almost(?) absurd. You do no favor to your cause with this kind of superficial listing. No credibility is established. And, all too many of your points could be debated. Instead, take one or two example(s) and develop it/ them in depth. As it is, you are hurting your own cause!
Most of the credibility is established with the many links on the right. There's no debate for men receiving harsher sentences, being passed up in hiring, having no repro rights, etc...anyone can look these up to prove it, or just use common sense. If you believe something is debatable, then pick a point and let's begin. In addition, this is supposed to be a general video. I'll make more specific vids later. Family court corruption, bias in domestic violence laws, false rape allegations, etc...
Also, your logic with repro rights could also fit an argument with child support: "What child support rights does a woman have given the fact that the money is carried in the man's bank account?"
If consenting to sex is consenting to parenthood, then we need to be restricting abortion and adoption to extreme cases, and removing safe haven laws.
---The sexual act has different meanings for males and females. A woman can end a pregnancy after it has begun because it takes place within her body. A man cannot.
---I would object to any solution that forced abortion on a woman or absolved a man from his parental responsibility for a living child. Your #3 strikes me as extremely irresponsible,
3. I agree. However, your argument that there is a financial need for the child and mother parallels my assertion that a man has an emotional need for his child to not be destroyed without his wishes. It's hypocritical to say only one person's needs should be ignored, or enforced. Both, or none.
4. Look at the top five links. Also, take a hard look at VAWA and research its use in restraining orders and custody cases. It's very biased against men.
"Its hypocritical to say only one persons needs should be ignored, or enforced. Both or none."
Actually it isn't. This was talked about in the 1970"s. One person -and only one person- must make the decisions about the pregnancy. It can be no other way. That person currently is AND SHOULD be the woman. It is her body that houses the developing fetus.
I would argue that her decision about the pregnancy was made when she had the sex. Otherwise, you're arguing that consenting to sex is not consenting to parenthood. YES - a woman should be the primary one deciding what goes on in her body. However, I am against abortion unless the woman's life is in danger or if she's a rape victim. Otherwise, it's just a shrugging off of responsibility, which is a very negligent and even predatory way to approach children.
----You may argue whatever you like, but abortion is legal and is an option. While it may seem unfair that the female has this additional choice: the area of reproduction is where males and females really do differ.
Yes, I'm not arguing whether it is a right...I'm arguing whether it IS right. If a man could abort his child support payments it would seem irresponsible, but it seems equally irresponsible to me to abort something with a beating heart. I'm not sure we'll agree here, but just in case there's any confusion: my belief is that if consenting to sex = consenting to parenthood, it should be applied to both genders, not just one. But if that's clear already, then we probably won't agree.
What about all of the little boys, who are raped? What about their rights to their own bodies? Women, who rape them get custody of the children, if the rapist, chooses to force fatherhood and child support on their victim, that is. Males have no choice in anything they do anymore. Why should women get any choice either? Why is it that men are abused and enslaved by women, and nothing is done. Men need some kind protection and choice, otherwise they will continue to be made into a slave caste.
It's not rare. It's actually very common. The UN found, after examining all the legal documents from all of its member countries, that women are 3500% more likely to abuse or molest children. In every country, on average, there were 35 cases of females abusing children to every 1 case of males doing it.
look up: the Sixty-first session Item 62 (a) of the provisional agenda, pursuant to General Assembly resolution 60/231.
There is cause for a political movement, because the nature of the damage that men suffer is political in origin. Laws and legal precedents exist now that make us second class citizens, with no rights whatsoever.
It's a shame that you have sympathy for these poor boys. The fact that in a country of our size, millions of them are abused is besides the point. Isn't 1 heinous crime enough to seek its end? Look up the video "Women rapes child, wins child support". All crime must be rooted out, no compromise!
----I didn't get the amount per thousand I asked for (in America). Let me know if / when you become serious. A political movement needs a sense of proportion. You lack a sense of proportion.
As stated below it is approximately a million a year. If you are to lazy to do the math, then you have no place to call into question the need for laws based on a crime you aren't applying yourself fully to understand. The exact, as quoted from helpguide, is 906,000 a year here in America. That is 1/300 people a year. Or 1/64 children a year. Or 15.6 per thousand children are abused, molested, and raped a year, here in America. Is this not worthy of action, then?
-----I wish you had stayed on topic: statuatory rape of males that results in pregnancy and child suport payments. But you didn't. I feel you lack honesty. I will try not to judge this movement based upon your current inability to focus.
I stayed on topic. What I had said was in address to this statement by you: "-Little boys getting raped is a rare occurrence & a crime. It's hardly the basis for a political movement. In other words: GET REAL." I had proved that children being raped is not a rare occurrence; and, when one makes the reasonable assumption, that half of children who are abused are male, we see that I did indeed stay relevant.
----Being told she is on the pill when she isn't is a form of deciet not rape. It's isn't nice but were talking about sexual behavior where almost anything goes. The male is still making a choice.
I'm going to disagree with you on the pill issue. Forcing your reproductive urges on someone against their will is rape. Men rape women by forcing them into sex, and women rape men by forcing them into parenthood. Only women can force men into parenthood; men cannot force women into it. This makes a man extremely exploitable. The woman can be raped by a man's higher physical strength, while the man can be raped by the woman's higher legal strength.
I'm not yet sure it demeans women to call it rape, but we might be able to label it under "paternity fraud." When a man is forced into parenthood and child support, his debts shrink, his prospects dwindle, his dating options narrow, and he is slowly drained of motivation and ambition, doomed for years into a child support rot. Both forms of victimization inflict perpetual pain which is more than just financial in the case of the man, or physical in the case of the woman.
Yes, they do. The definition of rape has been expanded over the years, and has only addressed women's vulnerability, and never men's. That's why I feel an inclination to use the word "rape," or even "paternity rape," because it involves reproductive urges and a lack of consent. And many women do indeed have an urge to reproduce, and some to incur it by unscrupulous means.
A good word for this kind of rape is "fraud". She has tricked him into giving up the best years of his life, and denied him of his reproductive rights. By the time a "father" finds out, he has long since become infertile. It is a gross violation of his human rights, by fraudulent lies and behavior. The UN constitution of rights, which each member nation signed, stated "each person, is given a the right to family".
This injustice done to men, is still legal, and if he balks, she can sue for child support for children, who never were his, the house, the children, and alimony; and, if he can not pay he will be sent to jail.
---As I read your comment, it introduces a new and unprecedented standard for fatherhood: DNA test. The DNA test is simply not how USA society defines parenthood. Marriage does that. Is DNA testing really that important? And if so why?
DNA, is what both determines fatherHOOD and motherHOOD. The passing down of ones genes through ones lineage, is what makes them the mother, or more importantly, the father. Anyone else is a parent figure, but not the literal parent. It's important to keep this distinction, because, here in the US, where we define marriage, as parenthood, we currently force men to pay for children, who aren't his, even if they are no longer married to that spouse. How else is a fair way to define parenthood here?
----No that's not how we do it. Parenthood is determined by marraige and by the actual act of raising a child. What would you say to a guy who raised a child (not of his DNA) and wanted to continue raising that child even after a divorce? Tough Luck?
I would tell him: "That must some angel of a child. Go get 'em tiger!" I just want to chime in that child custody is a human rights travesty in of itself. The children always suffer immensely by being separated from part of their family. If that guy wants to raise his bastard child, then he's a saint. I have nothing against that, and would support him in trying to put his family back together, even though he was duped into being a part of it in the first place.
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU SO MUCH for taking initiative and giving a voice to men and boys!! I had no where to turn when I took a woman's studies class in college and came home so hurt my mother was worried about me. We had no Men's Rights Movement then. More men and women are hearing our message..google rebuking feminism for my subjective viewpoints and feelings. Some day I hope men will be viewed and treated as human beings.. I hope to restore the family in my country The United States.
In the 1950s, a research scientist began a routine experiment concerning natal blood type, trying to figure out which characteristics were dominant. He found that 11 per cent of the babies born in American hospitals had blood types belonging to neither the mother nor the father--meaning the biological father was not the male listed on the birth certificate. The researcher was so dismayed by these findings that he suppressed them for over twenty years. I'd say the trend is higher now.
praetorianimperator 2 years ago
Thanks for the information. Do you know the name of the scientist, or have a link to the study? I might be interested in using it in my videos.
Gogonostop 2 years ago
Hello AdvJoe24Seven I've found an article regarding the guilty until proven innocent laws for all men accused of rape. WOW sounds a lot like VAWA here in the U.S. Again men are guilty until proven innocent. Who would ever have thought it would come to this! Sex is now rape until proven otherwise
Article: Rape defendants may have to prove they had consent
By Robert Verkaik, Legal Affairs Correspondent
Article was in the Independent magazine in the UK. DOES ANYONE KNOW IF THIS HAS PASSED?
Red0660 2 years ago
Thank you very much for the article! Much appreciated.
Gogonostop 2 years ago
The law passed (UK), although recently, a 42 year old drunk lawyer, woke up the next morning with a 26 year old male, accusing him of rape as she couldn't remember consenting, and the jury found him not guilty.
tom181071 2 years ago
Search YouTube for : Court orders sperm donor to pay child support - Glenn Sacks
This must be what you are referring to IBNSHEBA! A sperm donor required to pay child support to lesbians. You are a true feminist indeed !!!!!!!!!
Red0660 2 years ago
IbnSheba you are incredible! Here's a true story for ya. 2 Lesbians approached a man that 1 was friends with and asked him to donate sperm. A legal contract was signed that he would never be liable for child support. The lesbians then sued him for child support claiming that the man had acted like a father and won the case and became close to the child. THIS IS FAIR... YOU FEMINISTS ARE AMAZING, ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE.
Red0660 2 years ago
In England at the moment laws are being passed that take a womans responsibilty for her actions and pass them on to men and hold them accountable and the feminists love it..........BUT if a women in not responsable for actions how can she be equal she is being treated like a child so for feminist to like this there must be another agender .I wonder what that could be????????
AdvJoe24Seven 2 years ago
What laws are these?
Gogonostop 2 years ago
men now have to prove the woman consented to sex otherwise it will be rape also if a woman has been drinking (depending on the amount of achol not sure of the levels ) she will be classed as unable to give consent and again its rape
AdvJoe24Seven 2 years ago
What is wrong with the women who have commented on this video, if you dont have to pay the woman if you leave why should you have to pay for her kids if there not yours.
AdvJoe24Seven 2 years ago
I'm an m.r.a & I Iike your style!
crypter27 2 years ago
Thanks! Much appreciated.
Gogonostop 2 years ago
this sick
crypter27 2 years ago
---In practice we define parenthood by being a parent. The guy I previously spoke of was a parent tyo [his] child because he acted [and felt] like one. Marrige and parenting within marriage is what defines fatherhood. DNA isn't important unless the marriage isn't working. Marriage legitimates children. You shouldn't try to elevate a detail like DNA into sometype of a god.
IbnSheba 2 years ago
If we treat DNA like it isn't important, we encourage women to sleep around and leech off the resources of the man she is currently with. This needs to stop. There's no problem with being a rolemodel for the child. But paying for a child that's not yours? That's another matter entirely.
Gogonostop 2 years ago
-----Your reasoning is circular. You have to start with an agreed upon definition for "your child". Then -and only then- can you argue that the child isn't your over DNA (or some other factor).
----Also you shouldn't tell other people, other couples how to live. USA people have not accepted DNA as the standard. Your words don't make it so.
IbnSheba 2 years ago
I'm not telling other people how to live. If a man wants to support a child that's not his, fine. I'm saying a man should not be FORCED to pay for a child that's not his. You are telling couples how to live, not me.
"USA hasn't accepted DNA as the standard. You words don't make it so." - Just because it's in the law doesn't make it right. That's kind of the whole idea behind social movements. It was also "accepted as standard" that women couldn't hold office prior to 1900.
Gogonostop 2 years ago
That's a big IF.
IbnSheba 2 years ago
Whether I say "if" or not doesn't change the fact that it is unjust to make a father pay for a child that is not his. I refuse to be an enabler to bad women, or excuse or encourage female wrongdoing and make the man pay for it, which seems to be a hallmark of many feminist supporters. I understand that this doesn't fit in with "sexual liberation," but you can see the outcome of this liberation in the first 30 seconds of my vid. It's time for women to stop using their sexuality to exploit men.
Gogonostop 2 years ago
-----The child is his if society says it is his. Only you are adopting the new tool of DNA as parenting's sole standard. Marriage, not a DNA test, determines who the child's parents are.
-----If you don't want to enable "bad women" don't marry them! Or divorce them when they fool around! But if you marry her, and stay with her, her kids are your kids. It's called marriage.
IbnSheba 2 years ago
-Divorcing a woman who is fooling around so she can take the rest of your children due to court bias, and then alienate you from your home?
-Many men are forced to pay child support who were never married and are not the father.
-I am not the only one adopting the new tool of DNA. Check the vids in the first and second link to the right for clear proof against both your points. In those cases, fatherhood is unjustly being established financially, not by marriage or DNA.
Gogonostop 2 years ago
Also, check the 5th link on the right, which shows that paternity fraud is being challenged across the nation. This is clear evidence that society's standard is not as unified against DNA testing as you say it is.
Gogonostop 2 years ago
There is a link in the side corner of this video, which states this at the end:
"Through such a hard but sincere struggle, feminists and their work will not be ignored. Instead, patriarchy and gender will be recognized as one of many reasons why domestic violence exists. In so doing, feminism will maintain its legitimacy. And, with a great deal of hope, effort, and time, a real end to domestic violence will be found."
This was from an essay about female abusers. Feminism shelters the abusers!
menareangrynow 2 years ago
Indeed, many women who are admitted into shelters are just as violent as those who injured them, and are sometimes violent to their own children.
Gogonostop 2 years ago
Great Video Gogo, I will be checking out those websites. Men have very few rights when it comes to their children except to keep the money flowing - I will never get married or have kids - I am 30 and already have had the snip - relief !!!!!
thenewfiebullets 2 years ago
----Your points range from the very sensible to the almost(?) absurd. You do no favor to your cause with this kind of superficial listing. No credibility is established. And, all too many of your points could be debated. Instead, take one or two example(s) and develop it/ them in depth. As it is, you are hurting your own cause!
IbnSheba 2 years ago
Most of the credibility is established with the many links on the right. There's no debate for men receiving harsher sentences, being passed up in hiring, having no repro rights, etc...anyone can look these up to prove it, or just use common sense. If you believe something is debatable, then pick a point and let's begin. In addition, this is supposed to be a general video. I'll make more specific vids later. Family court corruption, bias in domestic violence laws, false rape allegations, etc...
Gogonostop 2 years ago
---I think you are way off on the hiring issue. Way off !!
---What repro rights could a man have given the fact that the fetus is carried within the woman's body?
IbnSheba 2 years ago
If I'm off in the hiring, show your sources. As for the repro rights, what rights could a man have?
1. Not to be required to pay for a child he is forced into parenthood from
2. Not to be required to pay for children when DNA tests exempt him from paternity
3. Abortion as a means of contraception or shrugging off responsibility should only be allowed inasmuch as a man could "abort" his own child support.
4. The laws surrounding custody cases could be a lot fairer to men. Currently they are not.
Gogonostop 2 years ago
Also, your logic with repro rights could also fit an argument with child support: "What child support rights does a woman have given the fact that the money is carried in the man's bank account?"
If consenting to sex is consenting to parenthood, then we need to be restricting abortion and adoption to extreme cases, and removing safe haven laws.
Gogonostop 2 years ago
---The sexual act has different meanings for males and females. A woman can end a pregnancy after it has begun because it takes place within her body. A man cannot.
---I would object to any solution that forced abortion on a woman or absolved a man from his parental responsibility for a living child. Your #3 strikes me as extremely irresponsible,
IbnSheba 2 years ago
1) The rational for child support does not rest upon fairness. It is intended to suopport the child.
2) What is meant by "forced into parenthood"?
3) Once a child is born it must be raised and that costs money! Who else should pay for the child if not its biological parents?
4) may have validy
IbnSheba 2 years ago
1. Paternity fraud is rampant. Check the 1st and 2nd link.
2. Forced - as in drugged then raped, or being told "I'm on the pill" when she's not. These are simply other forms of rape.
Gogonostop 2 years ago
3. I agree. However, your argument that there is a financial need for the child and mother parallels my assertion that a man has an emotional need for his child to not be destroyed without his wishes. It's hypocritical to say only one person's needs should be ignored, or enforced. Both, or none.
4. Look at the top five links. Also, take a hard look at VAWA and research its use in restraining orders and custody cases. It's very biased against men.
Gogonostop 2 years ago
"Its hypocritical to say only one persons needs should be ignored, or enforced. Both or none."
Actually it isn't. This was talked about in the 1970"s. One person -and only one person- must make the decisions about the pregnancy. It can be no other way. That person currently is AND SHOULD be the woman. It is her body that houses the developing fetus.
IbnSheba 2 years ago
I would argue that her decision about the pregnancy was made when she had the sex. Otherwise, you're arguing that consenting to sex is not consenting to parenthood. YES - a woman should be the primary one deciding what goes on in her body. However, I am against abortion unless the woman's life is in danger or if she's a rape victim. Otherwise, it's just a shrugging off of responsibility, which is a very negligent and even predatory way to approach children.
Gogonostop 2 years ago
----You may argue whatever you like, but abortion is legal and is an option. While it may seem unfair that the female has this additional choice: the area of reproduction is where males and females really do differ.
IbnSheba 2 years ago
Yes, I'm not arguing whether it is a right...I'm arguing whether it IS right. If a man could abort his child support payments it would seem irresponsible, but it seems equally irresponsible to me to abort something with a beating heart. I'm not sure we'll agree here, but just in case there's any confusion: my belief is that if consenting to sex = consenting to parenthood, it should be applied to both genders, not just one. But if that's clear already, then we probably won't agree.
Gogonostop 2 years ago
What about all of the little boys, who are raped? What about their rights to their own bodies? Women, who rape them get custody of the children, if the rapist, chooses to force fatherhood and child support on their victim, that is. Males have no choice in anything they do anymore. Why should women get any choice either? Why is it that men are abused and enslaved by women, and nothing is done. Men need some kind protection and choice, otherwise they will continue to be made into a slave caste.
menareangrynow 2 years ago
---Little boys getting raped is a rare occurance & a crime. It's hardly the basis for a political movement. In other words: GET REAL.
----If anything the problem is that people (MEN & women) all too easily forget just how serious sex is. To have sex is to assume a lot of risk.
IbnSheba 2 years ago
It's not rare. It's actually very common. The UN found, after examining all the legal documents from all of its member countries, that women are 3500% more likely to abuse or molest children. In every country, on average, there were 35 cases of females abusing children to every 1 case of males doing it.
look up: the Sixty-first session Item 62 (a) of the provisional agenda, pursuant to General Assembly resolution 60/231.
menareangrynow 2 years ago
There is cause for a political movement, because the nature of the damage that men suffer is political in origin. Laws and legal precedents exist now that make us second class citizens, with no rights whatsoever.
menareangrynow 2 years ago
How many per thousand? Get real!.
IbnSheba 2 years ago
It's a shame that you have sympathy for these poor boys. The fact that in a country of our size, millions of them are abused is besides the point. Isn't 1 heinous crime enough to seek its end? Look up the video "Women rapes child, wins child support". All crime must be rooted out, no compromise!
menareangrynow 2 years ago
----I didn't get the amount per thousand I asked for (in America). Let me know if / when you become serious. A political movement needs a sense of proportion. You lack a sense of proportion.
IbnSheba 2 years ago
As stated below it is approximately a million a year. If you are to lazy to do the math, then you have no place to call into question the need for laws based on a crime you aren't applying yourself fully to understand. The exact, as quoted from helpguide, is 906,000 a year here in America. That is 1/300 people a year. Or 1/64 children a year. Or 15.6 per thousand children are abused, molested, and raped a year, here in America. Is this not worthy of action, then?
menareangrynow 2 years ago
-----I wish you had stayed on topic: statuatory rape of males that results in pregnancy and child suport payments. But you didn't. I feel you lack honesty. I will try not to judge this movement based upon your current inability to focus.
IbnSheba 2 years ago
I stayed on topic. What I had said was in address to this statement by you: "-Little boys getting raped is a rare occurrence & a crime. It's hardly the basis for a political movement. In other words: GET REAL." I had proved that children being raped is not a rare occurrence; and, when one makes the reasonable assumption, that half of children who are abused are male, we see that I did indeed stay relevant.
menareangrynow 2 years ago
----Being told she is on the pill when she isn't is a form of deciet not rape. It's isn't nice but were talking about sexual behavior where almost anything goes. The male is still making a choice.
----Drugged would count as rape.
IbnSheba 2 years ago
I'm going to disagree with you on the pill issue. Forcing your reproductive urges on someone against their will is rape. Men rape women by forcing them into sex, and women rape men by forcing them into parenthood. Only women can force men into parenthood; men cannot force women into it. This makes a man extremely exploitable. The woman can be raped by a man's higher physical strength, while the man can be raped by the woman's higher legal strength.
Gogonostop 2 years ago
----At very least you should use word other than "rape" to describe this violation.
Calling it rape risks being seen as demeaning women's experience.
----I would suggest theft or bodily robbery.
IbnSheba 2 years ago
I'm not yet sure it demeans women to call it rape, but we might be able to label it under "paternity fraud." When a man is forced into parenthood and child support, his debts shrink, his prospects dwindle, his dating options narrow, and he is slowly drained of motivation and ambition, doomed for years into a child support rot. Both forms of victimization inflict perpetual pain which is more than just financial in the case of the man, or physical in the case of the woman.
Gogonostop 2 years ago
Words matter!
IbnSheba 2 years ago
Yes, they do. The definition of rape has been expanded over the years, and has only addressed women's vulnerability, and never men's. That's why I feel an inclination to use the word "rape," or even "paternity rape," because it involves reproductive urges and a lack of consent. And many women do indeed have an urge to reproduce, and some to incur it by unscrupulous means.
Gogonostop 2 years ago
A good word for this kind of rape is "fraud". She has tricked him into giving up the best years of his life, and denied him of his reproductive rights. By the time a "father" finds out, he has long since become infertile. It is a gross violation of his human rights, by fraudulent lies and behavior. The UN constitution of rights, which each member nation signed, stated "each person, is given a the right to family".
menareangrynow 2 years ago
This injustice done to men, is still legal, and if he balks, she can sue for child support for children, who never were his, the house, the children, and alimony; and, if he can not pay he will be sent to jail.
menareangrynow 2 years ago
---As I read your comment, it introduces a new and unprecedented standard for fatherhood: DNA test. The DNA test is simply not how USA society defines parenthood. Marriage does that. Is DNA testing really that important? And if so why?
IbnSheba 2 years ago
DNA, is what both determines fatherHOOD and motherHOOD. The passing down of ones genes through ones lineage, is what makes them the mother, or more importantly, the father. Anyone else is a parent figure, but not the literal parent. It's important to keep this distinction, because, here in the US, where we define marriage, as parenthood, we currently force men to pay for children, who aren't his, even if they are no longer married to that spouse. How else is a fair way to define parenthood here?
menareangrynow 2 years ago
----No that's not how we do it. Parenthood is determined by marraige and by the actual act of raising a child. What would you say to a guy who raised a child (not of his DNA) and wanted to continue raising that child even after a divorce? Tough Luck?
IbnSheba 2 years ago
I would tell him: "That must some angel of a child. Go get 'em tiger!" I just want to chime in that child custody is a human rights travesty in of itself. The children always suffer immensely by being separated from part of their family. If that guy wants to raise his bastard child, then he's a saint. I have nothing against that, and would support him in trying to put his family back together, even though he was duped into being a part of it in the first place.
menareangrynow 2 years ago
BTW, you have dodged my query. I do expect an answer.
menareangrynow 2 years ago
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU SO MUCH for taking initiative and giving a voice to men and boys!! I had no where to turn when I took a woman's studies class in college and came home so hurt my mother was worried about me. We had no Men's Rights Movement then. More men and women are hearing our message..google rebuking feminism for my subjective viewpoints and feelings. Some day I hope men will be viewed and treated as human beings.. I hope to restore the family in my country The United States.
Red0660 2 years ago