i like that sign 'economic security' behind obama ! he spent more than all previous presidents combined ! his idea is to spend the next 6 generations money before they can, and just let the chinese and arabs buy debt and dictate future policy.
Let's remind john mccain who he's working for. REVOLT on Capitol Hill September 4...be there. It's time for the middle-class to take back America. We will force Congress to pass a jobs bill and not allow them to pass any other legislation until they pass a jobs bill. REVOLT...September 4...Capitol Hill...be there!!!
He did everything against what he said? Could you provide me some examples? I will concede that he hasn't achieved all the things he promises but don't all presidents do that?
"The focus on (uh) events and activities (uh) is much more (uh) something you would expect from someone releasing a new movie (uh) than running for president."
Macain is the antichrist! we all know this and wants to estroy the moral fiber of this country. The good news is that he wont he a chance to be president, the american public has spoken!
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"Although I do notice that he doesn't really have anything positive to say about himself, does he? He seems to only . . ." The audio goes blank there (hm.. wonder why) but that sounds like an attack to me. Certainly not the high road.
This is an embarrassing piece of biased liberal journalism. The only decent guy in this is Bob Schieffer
@bigfatAMERCANbastard nah no book deal but your mom thinks i'm pretty famous.. a part would be like u being a part of that dumbass group and apart would be how i would tear your fatass apart.. understand? don't matter that 70 million voted.. a shitload voted for Bush too and now they all r a part of the bandwagon regretting it just like how it will turn out for obama.. those the fake ones i hate
That is so true. They are not willing to help solve the problems in this country. Obama did not start this mess. It takes spending money to turn things around and then pull the fishing line back. They want to see him fail.
BOOORING.. all the people voted for Obama because he's black and wanted to see what happens... people actually thought they were apart of something haha what a joke.. he did everything against what he said and i predicted that before he won.. should have put money on it since everyone i knew voted for him lol
You sound like the people who support the 8 years of Bush. Bush did not anything wrong some people eyes. The mess Obama inherited, can not be solved in 18 months. We the people need politicians on both side to stop bickering and having pity parties, and start working together.
@jokerrhe lol McCain would have been worse, but i get what you mean. When bush won and everyone i knew voted for him accept me, it was a major "i told you so" 8 years later when our country was fucked up beyond recognition.
@jokerrhe yea shouldve voted for mccain/palin aka bush part II...i wonder where we'd be right now??...youre a moron, dont u get it...its a lesser of two evils with democrats and republicans...
@jokerrhe no they voted for him because bush set the bar so low anyone had a chance, just to bad his promises turned out to be lies and he sold out faster than led TVs on black friday.
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i dont know who's the bigger celebrity Obama or McCain? i haven't seen Obama in no movies unlike McCain who came out in the movie the Wedding Crashers Obama has a lot of famous friends but hasn't come out in a movie like Cain
@xser47 Actually being from Missouri it sounds like ree at end. rah is if your hard core southern Missouri accent, but that's very few and far inbetween.
he is a celebrity. a total one. he was not ready for this country. i would rather have his partner as president then him. and you know he is alot like britney spears, not the celebrity part, but the i was once huge famous and beautiful and now im an epic fail and really ugly scenario. the 343 people that dont like this vid are just obama creating a bunch of diffrent accounts so he can dislike these vids and make people think they like him.
Britney is smarter and talented that you guys can think of . listen to her song called "let go", and it is not edited and so beautiful, listen for yourself and tell me she is not talented, I thought so.
All I can do is call it like I see it and I see that it's going to take some time for the country to get back to where we should be. Bush screwed us up bad. Anyone who don't have the balls to except the truth about that. Kill yourself!
these political ads are why i cannot with a clear conscience even participate in the politcal process(voting). I refuse to vote for anyone who even mentiones their opponent in a political ad. it is not necessary for these people to smear each other the way they do. its sewage politics. it creates animosity and it turns society against each other. all that is necessary is to state your position on the issues that are important to your constituency. it is NOT necessary to attack each other
@fasfsdfasd You should get your facts straight. Do you seriously expect anybody to fix all of the issues that Bush left? Obama is not to blame for everything that happens. He was left with a dying economy and a war that was founded on ambiguous reasons at best.
@fasfsdfasd What are you talking about? You don't have to know poiltics to know the facts. A republican president screwed up the country period... That's the bottom line and you can't argue the facts. I am a democrat and I don't think republicans are evil. I think that they have their own selfish agenda at times and would rather lie to the american people than admit they were wrong. Not all republicans are like that but the ones that makes the decisions are.
@GFYUF hate to break your simplistic economic bubble but it took a lot longer than 8 years for this bubble to build up. democrats and republicans both share a good portion of the blame.
This is a good example of how the media pandered to Obama during the campaign. Listen to the rhetoric used: "McCain goes negative," "Obama takes the high road," "How long can he take the high road with McCain increasingly on the attack?"
These are not quotes from people they're interviewing, this is how this news agency is choosing to word their report. It's a blatant example of taking sides. And people make fun of Fox News when shows like Hannity and O'Brien are clearly opinion.
@nellis003 the problem is fox news takes this and goes right we're going to give up even the slightest pretence of balance. the sad thing is there are a hell of a lot of people who think fox is balanced
McCain was unwilling to talk about Barack's Muslim upbringing in Indonesia where he prayed to Allah in the mosques of Djakarta with his Muslim stepdad Lolo Soetoro, according to the LA Times.
At an April 2009 Georgetown speech, Barack described the "five pillars" of his economic policies, including health care reform. There are five pillars of Islam.
Were some you idiots too blind to have seen Obama was going to be bad in the first place? He didn't accept the American flag on his jet or wear a pin of one during his election.Some of you need to leave the US and give room for the people who would love to live in America and see it's qualitites of freedom that they never had within their life. Don't let this marxist change America's image!
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funny how at 1:50 Obama says, "You gotta say what you are for, not just against." He was against eveything, and voted "Present" 107 times in 150 days in the Senate...what a pussy...vote "yes" or "no," not "Present"...he wasn't "present" then, and he is no President now...Obama = Worst. President. Ever.
@idaman12345 feel free to look up in YouTube "Obama gaffes." He has more in 2 years of campaigning than Bush had in 8 years...Bush wasn't good with scripted teleprompter stuff because he was honest--like him or not. Obama can't travel or complete a sentence without his prompter....proof...when you speak from the heart and conviction, you don't need 35 speechwriters and a prompter....OWNED!
@idaman12345 my God, you are a moron...relying on Clinton's National Security Advice? OWNED! Get back to me when Obama's spending in 1 year Trumps Bush's spending in 8 years! OWNED! This is too easy!
@idaman12345 it took Obama 1 year to out-do Bush in 8--and outspend you and your children's future...OWNED again! Wanna try with something else? This is too easy!
@idaman12345 and if MSNBC, CNN, or CNBC (where no one watches) is where you get your information from--you must live in San Francisco, love anal, and think Keith Olbermann with his pear-shaped body and eloquence in idiocracy (because he pronounces it so good...uh hem...Obama's speeches) that regardless of what he says it is "doctrine" to you Libs--just cuz he says it "so well." OWNED...This is too easy...
Some of those news sources have a clear liberal bias, nothing aproaching FOX's standard (as if we have to guess what you watch) but such a large range of sources is likely more than your own, meaning more chance of being right; again you see to know a lot about someone from a post.
It may be easy to convince yourself your not wrong, sadly, but not to do the harder task of proving other people's claims false :I
@unassumption Unassumption Can't WAIT to file his taxes next year and find out this "$1100 charge." Accountant: That is the FINE you have to pay for not purchasing the new government mandated healthcare and since now your employer can't afford to get it for you (Thank you Obama) and your parents can't pay for it for you, you have to pay a fine...." OWNED! This is too easy....
I'm unsure how this answers the question - there are a lot of laws regulating what we can and cannot do, with various penalties none of which are derided as socialist , nor are laws concerning what we must do, from paying taxes to attending school, to signing the draft. The larger pools should decrease costs, such that more employers can purchase it; the effect on employer HC is thought to be negligable, a slight price improvement but overall small; that said only time will tell.
@unassumption you can't...Liberals CAN'T argue with Conservatives because emotion is not a tool for debate...common sense is...next time don't drink, read my ORIGINAL post and try again...
I admit my sources on the impacts of the bill are not particularly varied at the moment; "The Health Care Reform Legislation and its Impact on the Health Care and Life Sciences Industries" is the best I can find. What sources do you use, to support the insinuation that the cost to employers will rise such that they no longer choose to insure, or that a significant number of parents who currently pay for their kids health-care will stop doing so thanks tot he bill?
Don't change the topic; Clinton did have a better record on terror than Bush.
The recession isn't Bush's fault but neither his government nor the republican congress did much to stop the bubble from growing like an anurism; if he had that to deal with, he would likely have spent as much, to get business going again and to avoid a greater level of unemploymet and homelessness...either that or he would have gone all Herbert Hoover on us and prolonged the downturn.
They both obviously had telepromters. I'm not a fan of judging soomeone on their speaking ability; its weather they can get things done, education, health, the economy, and weather they can get votes, that counts. Obama needs more time before we can fully judge there, Bush has had his time and can be assessed with ease. If you think any policitician is honest your delightfully naive. Speak with brains, not heart. As if Bush didn't have a prompter and scripts when he fucked up.
What, in opinion polls among republicans? Thatcher was hated in britain in the first few years of her term as priminister, until her policies had a chance to work and she became one of the most loved in aproval ratings. One year is not enough time to judge an incumbent, even if unemployment triples (as it did under her in the early years) or the deficit increases temporarilly, this could be a means to the end of future growth and improvement. Polls mean nothing, easilly fudged.
Try finding any leader with the levels of praise obama was getting before even coming to office who does not end up disapointing his fans; he didn't jump the bar because it was set too highly. Yes he was more style than I'd have liked; but he's pushed through more things of substance in one year than some presidents manage in 8, dealing with bigger crisis than some ever face, weather well or ill, he has dealt with them.
He said what he was for on the trail - healthcare reform for instance. The republicans will not say what they propose instead of Obama's positions, only the flaws in his ideas, which he has listened to and taken heed of. If they want to compete with him they need some alternative.
He won the election. He's president. Weather you voted him or not, weather you like him or not, he leads america's executive branch, and the democrats have a majority in the Congress.
he may be the president who has had to put up with the most vocal opposition, primarilly due to the rise of the soapbox of the intenret, and a more open media. That said he has a lot of support too, some of which he's lost by not appealing to his base. You can at most judge his first year in office. I wish his enemies would stick to actual weaknesses in the administration (its not like He has much power) rather than made up BS about forced abortions and gun bans and such.
he may be the president who has had to put up with the most vocal opposition, primarilly due to the rise of the soapbox of the intenret, and a more open media. That said he has a lot of support too, some of which he's lost by not appealing to his base. You can at most judge his first year in office. I wish his enemies would stick to actual weaknesses in the administration (its not like He has much power) rather than made up BS about forced abortions and gun bans and such.
Her opening line--you can totally tell they are in the tank for Obama...and look how right they got this add...he is still the least experienced person in any room he walks into....
Obama will be impeached and jailed before his four years are finished. He'll go down in American history as the most inept and corrupt president ever. Pelosi will leave to country in disgrace. Reid will die from a stroke.
Typical "Moonbat" liberal. All you have is "spin and razzle dazzle". If you'd review comrade Obama's first year in office and read the Bill of Rights, The Constitution etc. etc. you'd know exactly what I'm talking about.
The Socialist Dem's day of reckoning is coming....Nov. 2010.
@Dealit707 oh yea you're really clever.... because people who don't support illiterate red necks who have no idea on how to run a country are immediately communists. good job there
@jnizo33 Great comeback!....If one doesn't agree with comrade Obama's Marxist views, that makes then illiterate "rednecks". I am neither a "redneck", or an illiterate.
What i am is a middle of the road American, who's fed up with Obama's lying Socialist bullshit. America WILL reject you, and Obama's regime, come NOv. 2010.
You seem awful sure of that, do you have a time machine or something?
Can you name many policies obama and marx share?
Not everything Marx suggested was batshit, though most wouldn't apply to a world 2 centuries ahead of him and to base your economics on his ideas is like basing your biology on darwin (Rather than a modern evolutionary biology book) ... but obama could support some Keynsian ideas that could be traced to marxian thinking, without being a communist. Not that I think he does.
You can't assess Obama on his questionable first year any better than liberals could do to Bush - instead of disagreeing with his policies, you have to exaggerate them to the point of absurdity. Obama is not in any way a communist; his ideas are primarilly reversing recent deregulations and tax-cuts, compared with international leaders let alone potential political philosophies he's far from a 'comrade.' At most a socialist, which is very different from a communist...
@unassumption I can, and I will asses Obama's pathetic/relentless assault on all that is good in America, and if you have a problem with that....Tough!
In his first six months in office he's more than tripled our national debt, and left future generations facing financial ruin. His ultimate goal is a Socialist America ruled by a massive gov't infrastructure. He routinely ignores the will of the people. He will be de-balled in Nov. 2010, then thrown out on his ass in 2012.
No one's saying you can't try, just that the assesment of a leader after one year in office is likely to be inacurate, and electing leaders out on the basis of their early performance would have robbed the world of great leaders.
Secondly, the economic situation into which a party came to power must be considered, in this case the recession; Thatcher entered in through one herself.
Don't get your hopes up too high, lest you be disapointed if you fail in 2010.
Obama has some socialist ideas, but so do all governments; all industry seemingly requires some regulation (antitrust laws, advertising standards, etc) there must be some executive branch, and some industries are not suited for private industry either because they are natural monopolies (Water, gas, power) or because no individual would pay for some nesicary social goods (defence, roads). To attack 'socialism' is absurd as no one poses an alternative.
@assumption "SOME Socialist ideas"...LOL. You're funny! You sound like your typical far left ideologist; always downplaying the obvious for negative spin control
You give yourself away as a Socialist (failure!), when you state that water, gas and power service/distribution are "natural monopolies". They've been run by many different private co's for ages, but, of course, the gov't would do a far better job at it. LMAO
In other nations, like the UK, the government does do a better job in industries where start up fees or localization render meaningful competition impossible. Sometimes there are great successes with private sector involvement, but always when it is heavily regulated. Name a state without some 'socialist' elements, in this century? Obama does not have more than the average leader's level of 'socialism'
The right and left both engage in far more spin thats just political nesecity; that pandoras box has been opened, wish it could close.
I don't see any glaring assaults on the constitution in Obama's propsals, nor do the supreme court. That said, the document is not supposed to be a bible. The founders based its content on what worked in their pre-industrial world in which half of america was untamed, they may have written something very different looking at systems proposed after.
@jnizo33 Ok...try this one...Obama has spent in 1 year what Bush did in 8...I'm no Bush fan, but OWNED right there buddy...now tell your boyfriend your time is up on the joint computer you share so he can look up Starbuck's new Pumpkin Spice Latte recipes or refresh his Liberal talking point notes....like..."Bush lied, people died, Cheney is out for oil, Do fags love the "top" or "bottom" more, whip out his credit card for gay marriage petition money, etc...OWNED!
Unlike bush, obama has actually done something with his power. Not everyone who opposes you is a more romantically successful faggot than your closseted ass, some of us lack boyfriends too. I thought you were up big corporations asses, why so anti starbucks :(
There are far worse talking points on the right than the left buddy, if you look at 'the war was a lie, but the reason we give is wrong' and say crazy, what can we do with teabaggers?
Don't get so emotional, refrain from regional slang (chipper) that many online may not understand and can give your identity away, as well as expletives (Which can make your message appear weak, as a flame or a troll) personal insults, especially based on the group/class you assume (From the content of his comment, scant evidence) he originates from... focus on the question, of what evidence he has to back up his claims, and he has less to attack you from the side on.
@Dealit707 Impeached for... what? For wiretapping? Starting an illegal war? Revoking the rights of tax-paying US citizens? Oh... wait that was someone else.
@PigFucker1048576 Yeah, and Obama shouldn't be impeached for not posting any bill on C-Span for 5 days before voting on things he has no idea are in the bill, Congress declarling a bill "passed" without voting on it, imposing Cap & Trade on a Friday night, passing Healthcare sham on Christmas Eve, and forgetting the will of the people were overwhelmingly against it? Yeah...you got us "Conservatives" there, don't cha? OWNED!
the will of the people...who voted them in rather than the republicans....to do the things they promised to do, like pass healthcare.... if you oppose obama for this you must oppose every politician the nation has ever had, because it's never let the general public vote on every issue, except in some state legislature like calafornia, see where that got them.
Let's start with every underhanded lying backdoor deal this piece of socialist garbage has done in his first 2 month's in office. This flat-out lying Marxist will be impeached and jailed for high crimes against the American people.
Pelosi is a certifiable "nut bag", and Bidden is....Joe Bidden..."Stooge".
@Dealit707 Is it forbidden to be a socialist? Whats so wrong about being socialistic? Well anyway Obama supports the capitalistic ideals, so no worries. Us socialists aren't proud of him, but meh not socialist.
Socialism and Capitalism are not wholly at odds - one can nationalise certain industries without making the whole nation public sector - and regulations seem to be socialist (At least to me - the word has too many definitions) sadly it seems even being socialist in one area of the economy is enough to make you a Stalinist in the eyes of many.
@unassumption Why in the world would any sane person want to see a gov't nationalize anything? They've proven time and again that they're total fuck-ups when they get involved in the free enterprise system. Why you ask!.....because they have no "bottom line". When they inevitably find themselves swimming in the red, they simply raise our taxes higher...higher...higher, or massive national debt.
Let us count all of the Socialist paradises........Ah!!...Anyone!
@Dealit707 It's spending priority and waste that needs to change. Health, education, etc, can be paid for without raising taxes if you do a budget over-haul. Defense needs to be looked into and made relevant to today's threats. This isn't the Cold War. We can decrease spending there while investing in new technologies that fit today's needs.
Tax loopholes and credits need to be closed, too, to help sure up the revenue. Revamp the tax system, lower payroll, introduce a VAT, etc.
Well depending on how you define socialist, here seemingly any nation with a nationalised industry other than defence and law enforcement (I assume you make at least one of those exceptions) there are an awful lot of 'socialist paradises.' The state must balance public and private sectors, depending on the demands of the sector; its not as if there is no acountability, oportunity for localisation, trandparancy, competition or motivation in the public sector, these guys are elected.
@unassumption america mostly confines it's socialism to corporations and to banks
and has a slave army to run it's catering agriculture and defence. 'defence '(i i use the term loosely -it often means invasion)is mostly farmed out to african mercenaries now who guard the "heroes" who would otherwise be unemployable -an efficient and genetically driven system-expect more war exports soon
@johnfox3 Socialism isn't fascism. Look it up, type in 'fascism' in the google search bar and hit the google search button. Then read and understand. When you have finished, look up Socialism; read and understand the aspects. You are now done and can come back to the convo constructively.
@funder1der guys -at least learn to spell the word --it is f-a-s-c-i-s-t----oh and german fascists called themselves national socialists hence the name NA-ZI--neat huh ? oh and unassumption-- weather happens in the sky -perhaps you mean "whether"
Wow thats a lot of talking points for one post. There may be some exagerations from the left (its not universal, some will have slightly higher premiums, it might not help the economy that much even in the long run) but the outright lies (that it had anything to do with abortion for one that seemed popular in the house when it was voted on) . Backroom deals were conducted on both sides; it doesn't matter how the bill passes, just matters weather it works.
The insults of the named politicians are meaningless; nothing really is convayed by 'nutbag' other than your personal, emotional discontent. I can't really ask you to cite evidence for such meaningless claims. You know as well as I that, even if Bush had performed 'war crimes' as some presidents before him undoubtably have, he would never have been impeeched for them let alone imprisoned; Obamas lesser 'crimes' have even less chance of being acted on even if he did anything.
The Marxist socialist thing I can inquire further on; what do you mean when you use those terms and in what ways do the policies of Obama, or the Democratic members of congress which fit those terms, as you define them. Then explain why those words connote something bad; i'm sure any definition of those terms which can be linked to indisputably bad economic policy, will not simultaneously fit with the views of the president, much less his proposed bills, or those acted into law.
@Dealit707 Saying, let's start with reality provides literally no support to your claim. Zero support. None. So basically you wasted your time writing that. And trying to reason with someone who apparently thinks that "let's start with reality" is an argument, let alone a good or effective one, is a waste my time. So with this comment I conclude this idiotic discussion. Good day.
Damn I wish i had the certainty in my convictions you conservatives seem to have... unfortunately i'm skeptical of anyone who claims to know the fucking future. It is at most possible that, if the democratic system is bypassed, obama could be thrown from office. Then again its possible that a pig will grow a pair of wings and fly.
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Sistarovat 3 months ago
i like that sign 'economic security' behind obama ! he spent more than all previous presidents combined ! his idea is to spend the next 6 generations money before they can, and just let the chinese and arabs buy debt and dictate future policy.
dras50376272 4 months ago
mccain should have won. did obama fight for his country. fuck no, all obama did was get black and hung out wit celebreties(illuminati)
tudela19 5 months ago
Let's remind john mccain who he's working for. REVOLT on Capitol Hill September 4...be there. It's time for the middle-class to take back America. We will force Congress to pass a jobs bill and not allow them to pass any other legislation until they pass a jobs bill. REVOLT...September 4...Capitol Hill...be there!!!
petalofhope1 5 months ago
one question: Who voted for obama?!
John Mccain would have led this country better
xOjbabyxO8 5 months ago
If Ron Paul wins the Republican nomination, John McCain will vote for Obama.
Sistarovat 6 months ago
lol and then mccain chooses Palin as running mate, purely a celebrity politician not based on governance at all
Mrtoomzy 6 months ago
He did everything against what he said? Could you provide me some examples? I will concede that he hasn't achieved all the things he promises but don't all presidents do that?
TheOriginalAK47 7 months ago
@TheOriginalAK47 its sooo sad how true that is, how the people expect a president to go back on his word
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Freedomloveandtruth 7 months ago
"The focus on (uh) events and activities (uh) is much more (uh) something you would expect from someone releasing a new movie (uh) than running for president."
-John McCain
...Fixed that for you...
randumbosity24 8 months ago
Macain is the antichrist! we all know this and wants to estroy the moral fiber of this country. The good news is that he wont he a chance to be president, the american public has spoken!
lugvonfalk 9 months ago
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Iteachu2beninja 9 months ago
I democracy was a popularity contest???
gundamWWW 9 months ago
So retarded... he drew attention because of how monumental of a candidate he was... Hes not going to just ignore all of his adoring fans.
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Maizahxger 1 year ago
all of this is peanuts compared to the 50% drop the dow took 3 months later and the depression we are still trying to get out of
ajgolfer1 1 year ago
Obama took the high road?
"Although I do notice that he doesn't really have anything positive to say about himself, does he? He seems to only . . ." The audio goes blank there (hm.. wonder why) but that sounds like an attack to me. Certainly not the high road.
This is an embarrassing piece of biased liberal journalism. The only decent guy in this is Bob Schieffer
Pontus518 1 year ago
@bigfatAMERCANbastard lol wow u FAIL... at least u tried to argue
jokerrhe 1 year ago
@bigfatAMERCANbastard nah no book deal but your mom thinks i'm pretty famous.. a part would be like u being a part of that dumbass group and apart would be how i would tear your fatass apart.. understand? don't matter that 70 million voted.. a shitload voted for Bush too and now they all r a part of the bandwagon regretting it just like how it will turn out for obama.. those the fake ones i hate
jokerrhe 1 year ago
Hilarious, McCain is such a doof. Just another republican puppet and a weak ass human being..
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Spitefox 1 year ago 2
The worst thing he could say about Obama is he's popular.
ana8woahhh 1 year ago 21
@ana8woahhh ...and today it's the best thing you can say about him.
loetzfan 2 months ago
This is something I'd expect to see on the onion.....
SousukePanic 1 year ago
the end of the world
treeboar77 1 year ago
Ron Paul
paperhandsunion 1 year ago
obama is stupid
toleslie 1 year ago
Little bastard only got tortured in Hanoi. How dare he speak against someone who graduated magnum cum laude from Harvard?
Malkus11 1 year ago
@Malkus11
Who are you referring to as the bastard? Obama did not get tortured in Hanoi. This country is full racism that need to stop.
bjones23ful 1 year ago
@bjones23ful Right. McCain did. It was... sorta full of sarcasm, you see...
Malkus11 1 year ago
Ofcourse the right wing started the negative adds. This tells us something..
OMGCREATE 1 year ago
@OMGCREATE
That is so true. They are not willing to help solve the problems in this country. Obama did not start this mess. It takes spending money to turn things around and then pull the fishing line back. They want to see him fail.
bjones23ful 1 year ago
BOOORING.. all the people voted for Obama because he's black and wanted to see what happens... people actually thought they were apart of something haha what a joke.. he did everything against what he said and i predicted that before he won.. should have put money on it since everyone i knew voted for him lol
jokerrhe 1 year ago
@jokerrhe what exactly did he do against what he said???
quisit4ya 1 year ago
@jokerrhe
You sound like the people who support the 8 years of Bush. Bush did not anything wrong some people eyes. The mess Obama inherited, can not be solved in 18 months. We the people need politicians on both side to stop bickering and having pity parties, and start working together.
bjones23ful 1 year ago
@jokerrhe lol McCain would have been worse, but i get what you mean. When bush won and everyone i knew voted for him accept me, it was a major "i told you so" 8 years later when our country was fucked up beyond recognition.
ghty102 7 months ago
@jokerrhe yea shouldve voted for mccain/palin aka bush part II...i wonder where we'd be right now??...youre a moron, dont u get it...its a lesser of two evils with democrats and republicans...
stokelycalm 6 months ago
@jokerrhe no they voted for him because bush set the bar so low anyone had a chance, just to bad his promises turned out to be lies and he sold out faster than led TVs on black friday.
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KwoaTV 1 year ago
i dont know who's the bigger celebrity Obama or McCain? i haven't seen Obama in no movies unlike McCain who came out in the movie the Wedding Crashers Obama has a lot of famous friends but hasn't come out in a movie like Cain
LaHierba323 1 year ago
McCain was soooooo right!!!!!
CubanodePlacetas 1 year ago
CBS is liberal propaganda, and this proves it once again
theshaggyshow 1 year ago
Actually it's pronounced Missourah if you're from there. Just like it's pronounced "Nashvulle" if you're from Tennessee. So he is right.
xser47 1 year ago
@xser47 If you visit in the humid summertime its pronounced "Misery"
I am here all week,
o0face4radio0o 1 year ago
@o0face4radio0o Hahaha I'm not even from there my dad is but haha nice.
xser47 1 year ago
@xser47 lol thats so true like mirror to them is the mirrah
LaHierba323 1 year ago
@xser47 Actually being from Missouri it sounds like ree at end. rah is if your hard core southern Missouri accent, but that's very few and far inbetween.
invisibleman275 11 months ago
he is a celebrity. a total one. he was not ready for this country. i would rather have his partner as president then him. and you know he is alot like britney spears, not the celebrity part, but the i was once huge famous and beautiful and now im an epic fail and really ugly scenario. the 343 people that dont like this vid are just obama creating a bunch of diffrent accounts so he can dislike these vids and make people think they like him.
theotherguy245689 1 year ago
@fasfsdfasd a biased asshole....hahaha......look at you "riding the obama is worse than bush strategy" FUCKING HYPOCRITIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
jabrams45 1 year ago
Britney is smarter and talented that you guys can think of . listen to her song called "let go", and it is not edited and so beautiful, listen for yourself and tell me she is not talented, I thought so.
UltimateBritney 1 year ago
that spot is awesome !
arc368 1 year ago
All I can do is call it like I see it and I see that it's going to take some time for the country to get back to where we should be. Bush screwed us up bad. Anyone who don't have the balls to except the truth about that. Kill yourself!
GFYUF 1 year ago
that is bullshit and you know that!!! So blatant! BUSH was an idiot and always will be, out there in the small town of Texas!!
jabrams45 1 year ago
really? cause where i live all i got all day long was about how mccain sucked, and the Republicans started it? bullshit.
polske322 1 year ago
these political ads are why i cannot with a clear conscience even participate in the politcal process(voting). I refuse to vote for anyone who even mentiones their opponent in a political ad. it is not necessary for these people to smear each other the way they do. its sewage politics. it creates animosity and it turns society against each other. all that is necessary is to state your position on the issues that are important to your constituency. it is NOT necessary to attack each other
SunimZen 1 year ago
republican slogan John McCain--At least hes not a nigger!
oya they were soo right nigger coon obama did fuck all
Notasheep187 1 year ago
I guess Sarah Palin turned out to be more of a celebrity than Obama, now that her daughter's on "Dancing with the Stars"
AMcGrath82 1 year ago
@fasfsdfasd You should get your facts straight. Do you seriously expect anybody to fix all of the issues that Bush left? Obama is not to blame for everything that happens. He was left with a dying economy and a war that was founded on ambiguous reasons at best.
cmbkfn 1 year ago
@fasfsdfasd What are you talking about? You don't have to know poiltics to know the facts. A republican president screwed up the country period... That's the bottom line and you can't argue the facts. I am a democrat and I don't think republicans are evil. I think that they have their own selfish agenda at times and would rather lie to the american people than admit they were wrong. Not all republicans are like that but the ones that makes the decisions are.
GFYUF 1 year ago
@GFYUF hate to break your simplistic economic bubble but it took a lot longer than 8 years for this bubble to build up. democrats and republicans both share a good portion of the blame.
AussiePolitics 1 year ago
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jabrams45 1 year ago
WTF The reporter's name???? CHIP REID......
sounds CHIP RFID
batobatopik77 1 year ago
This is a good example of how the media pandered to Obama during the campaign. Listen to the rhetoric used: "McCain goes negative," "Obama takes the high road," "How long can he take the high road with McCain increasingly on the attack?"
These are not quotes from people they're interviewing, this is how this news agency is choosing to word their report. It's a blatant example of taking sides. And people make fun of Fox News when shows like Hannity and O'Brien are clearly opinion.
nellis003 1 year ago 2
@nellis003 the problem is fox news takes this and goes right we're going to give up even the slightest pretence of balance. the sad thing is there are a hell of a lot of people who think fox is balanced
AussiePolitics 1 year ago
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nfs444 1 year ago
You are a liberal....but it's ok...not a problem...
mijepraht 1 year ago
HITLER NEVER KILLED ANYONE....THE POLICE DID ! HARD FACT !!!
13AJJONES 1 year ago
@GlamoursFever AAAAAAAAAAHHAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAHHHAAAAZZZZZZZAAAAA!!!!!!!
NOV. IS ALMOST HERE YA LOSER !
13AJJONES 1 year ago
Britney is the best!!
Ahgwenas 1 year ago
they censored obama talking lol fail
burzumsodomkreator 1 year ago
McCain was unwilling to talk about Barack's Muslim upbringing in Indonesia where he prayed to Allah in the mosques of Djakarta with his Muslim stepdad Lolo Soetoro, according to the LA Times.
At an April 2009 Georgetown speech, Barack described the "five pillars" of his economic policies, including health care reform. There are five pillars of Islam.
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Were some you idiots too blind to have seen Obama was going to be bad in the first place? He didn't accept the American flag on his jet or wear a pin of one during his election.Some of you need to leave the US and give room for the people who would love to live in America and see it's qualitites of freedom that they never had within their life. Don't let this marxist change America's image!
tudssquadbuisness 1 year ago
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tudssquadbuisness 1 year ago
thanks for voting for obama, assholes
uluvmyballs 1 year ago
@uluvmyballs
Yer welcome, dick head.
ReverendAnimal01 1 year ago
the Mcain ad is so awesome! and true!!
omgmono 1 year ago
Fuck McCain! Obama ftw!
rippen100 1 year ago
McCain is so old he thinks an ipad is for his wife's xbox once a month.
willarm1 1 year ago
@willarm1 Coulda sworn that old hag lost her period centuries ago.
Doggg033 1 year ago
FUCKK MCCAIN; HE'S JUST JEALOUS CUZ HE'S OLD and so are his 'fans' (:
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VanHalen824 1 year ago
FUCK OBAMA
ROMNEY 2012
gabebokmaUSMC 1 year ago
@gabebokmaUSMC i like obama but at least u aint votin for palin
TheOrlandoMagicMan99 1 year ago
he was just jelous.
xIrishgirl 1 year ago
wow cbs was soooo biased.
skibiskit 1 year ago
@skibiskit and shit... by extension :)
RayCathode100 1 year ago
thats why he lost, because he focused too much on Obama, rather than lay out a plan.
anthonym267 1 year ago
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douglasemmanoel 1 year ago
funny how at 1:50 Obama says, "You gotta say what you are for, not just against." He was against eveything, and voted "Present" 107 times in 150 days in the Senate...what a pussy...vote "yes" or "no," not "Present"...he wasn't "present" then, and he is no President now...Obama = Worst. President. Ever.
TheLiberalsSuck 1 year ago
@TheLiberalsSuck nah hes got a lot of time to get that label, and that would involve a bigger attack than 9/11
bush is the worst president ever FACT
idaman12345 1 year ago
@idaman12345 and in one Year, Obama has "bested" Bush on being the Worst President Ever...all hype, no substance...OWNED!
TheLiberalsSuck 1 year ago
@TheLiberalsSuck no obama hasnt bested bush in that catagory try again
idaman12345 1 year ago
@idaman12345 feel free to look up in YouTube "Obama gaffes." He has more in 2 years of campaigning than Bush had in 8 years...Bush wasn't good with scripted teleprompter stuff because he was honest--like him or not. Obama can't travel or complete a sentence without his prompter....proof...when you speak from the heart and conviction, you don't need 35 speechwriters and a prompter....OWNED!
TheLiberalsSuck 1 year ago
@TheLiberalsSuck plenty of words i could use to describe bush
and honest is not one of them
example of bush's "honesty"; his claim of iraq having wmds
you really think i should take a look at some right wing nut jobs lies?
get back to me when obamas let a terrorist attack (such as 9/11) and started a war illegally (iraq) OWNED
idaman12345 1 year ago
@idaman12345 my God, you are a moron...relying on Clinton's National Security Advice? OWNED! Get back to me when Obama's spending in 1 year Trumps Bush's spending in 8 years! OWNED! This is too easy!
TheLiberalsSuck 1 year ago
@TheLiberalsSuck
yeah your making yourself look like a fool easily
your buddy mr conservative bush is far worse than obama
idaman12345 1 year ago
@idaman12345 it took Obama 1 year to out-do Bush in 8--and outspend you and your children's future...OWNED again! Wanna try with something else? This is too easy!
TheLiberalsSuck 1 year ago
@TheLiberalsSuck if you believe the lies by faux news then yeah
use your brain for once
oh wait you gave that up when you became conservative
idaman12345 1 year ago
@idaman12345 and if MSNBC, CNN, or CNBC (where no one watches) is where you get your information from--you must live in San Francisco, love anal, and think Keith Olbermann with his pear-shaped body and eloquence in idiocracy (because he pronounces it so good...uh hem...Obama's speeches) that regardless of what he says it is "doctrine" to you Libs--just cuz he says it "so well." OWNED...This is too easy...
TheLiberalsSuck 1 year ago
@TheLiberalsSuck
Some of those news sources have a clear liberal bias, nothing aproaching FOX's standard (as if we have to guess what you watch) but such a large range of sources is likely more than your own, meaning more chance of being right; again you see to know a lot about someone from a post.
It may be easy to convince yourself your not wrong, sadly, but not to do the harder task of proving other people's claims false :I
unassumption 1 year ago
@unassumption Unassumption Can't WAIT to file his taxes next year and find out this "$1100 charge." Accountant: That is the FINE you have to pay for not purchasing the new government mandated healthcare and since now your employer can't afford to get it for you (Thank you Obama) and your parents can't pay for it for you, you have to pay a fine...." OWNED! This is too easy....
TheLiberalsSuck 1 year ago
I'm unsure how this answers the question - there are a lot of laws regulating what we can and cannot do, with various penalties none of which are derided as socialist , nor are laws concerning what we must do, from paying taxes to attending school, to signing the draft. The larger pools should decrease costs, such that more employers can purchase it; the effect on employer HC is thought to be negligable, a slight price improvement but overall small; that said only time will tell.
unassumption 1 year ago
@unassumption you can't...Liberals CAN'T argue with Conservatives because emotion is not a tool for debate...common sense is...next time don't drink, read my ORIGINAL post and try again...
TheLiberalsSuck 1 year ago
@TheLiberalsSuck
I admit my sources on the impacts of the bill are not particularly varied at the moment; "The Health Care Reform Legislation and its Impact on the Health Care and Life Sciences Industries" is the best I can find. What sources do you use, to support the insinuation that the cost to employers will rise such that they no longer choose to insure, or that a significant number of parents who currently pay for their kids health-care will stop doing so thanks tot he bill?
unassumption 1 year ago
@idaman12345 oh...and I still love how you still have no answer to how Obama spent in 1 year what Bush did in 8...OWNED!
TheLiberalsSuck 1 year ago
@TheLiberalsSuck
Its so pathetically cute how you add owned to every post to try and convince yourself that you said something people aren't laughing at you for :(
I'll answer it when its sourced.
unassumption 1 year ago
@TheLiberalsSuck
Want to see what Bush would've done in a recession? You have to spend if you want to pay back the deficit and avoid collapse.
unassumption 1 year ago
@TheLiberalsSuck
Don't change the topic; Clinton did have a better record on terror than Bush.
The recession isn't Bush's fault but neither his government nor the republican congress did much to stop the bubble from growing like an anurism; if he had that to deal with, he would likely have spent as much, to get business going again and to avoid a greater level of unemploymet and homelessness...either that or he would have gone all Herbert Hoover on us and prolonged the downturn.
unassumption 1 year ago
@TheLiberalsSuck
They both obviously had telepromters. I'm not a fan of judging soomeone on their speaking ability; its weather they can get things done, education, health, the economy, and weather they can get votes, that counts. Obama needs more time before we can fully judge there, Bush has had his time and can be assessed with ease. If you think any policitician is honest your delightfully naive. Speak with brains, not heart. As if Bush didn't have a prompter and scripts when he fucked up.
unassumption 1 year ago
@TheLiberalsSuck
What, in opinion polls among republicans? Thatcher was hated in britain in the first few years of her term as priminister, until her policies had a chance to work and she became one of the most loved in aproval ratings. One year is not enough time to judge an incumbent, even if unemployment triples (as it did under her in the early years) or the deficit increases temporarilly, this could be a means to the end of future growth and improvement. Polls mean nothing, easilly fudged.
unassumption 1 year ago
@TheLiberalsSuck
Try finding any leader with the levels of praise obama was getting before even coming to office who does not end up disapointing his fans; he didn't jump the bar because it was set too highly. Yes he was more style than I'd have liked; but he's pushed through more things of substance in one year than some presidents manage in 8, dealing with bigger crisis than some ever face, weather well or ill, he has dealt with them.
unassumption 1 year ago
@TheLiberalsSuck
He said what he was for on the trail - healthcare reform for instance. The republicans will not say what they propose instead of Obama's positions, only the flaws in his ideas, which he has listened to and taken heed of. If they want to compete with him they need some alternative.
He won the election. He's president. Weather you voted him or not, weather you like him or not, he leads america's executive branch, and the democrats have a majority in the Congress.
unassumption 1 year ago
@TheLiberalsSuck
he may be the president who has had to put up with the most vocal opposition, primarilly due to the rise of the soapbox of the intenret, and a more open media. That said he has a lot of support too, some of which he's lost by not appealing to his base. You can at most judge his first year in office. I wish his enemies would stick to actual weaknesses in the administration (its not like He has much power) rather than made up BS about forced abortions and gun bans and such.
unassumption 1 year ago
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@TheLiberalsSuck
he may be the president who has had to put up with the most vocal opposition, primarilly due to the rise of the soapbox of the intenret, and a more open media. That said he has a lot of support too, some of which he's lost by not appealing to his base. You can at most judge his first year in office. I wish his enemies would stick to actual weaknesses in the administration (its not like He has much power) rather than made up BS about forced abortions and gun bans and such.
unassumption 1 year ago
Her opening line--you can totally tell they are in the tank for Obama...and look how right they got this add...he is still the least experienced person in any room he walks into....
TheLiberalsSuck 1 year ago
@TheLiberalsSuck
He walks into a room with you. You have more experience. Seriously? You buy that?
unassumption 1 year ago
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InterntzTrollerinz 1 year ago
you guys are sheeple, wake up idiots.
JesusPassTheBong777 1 year ago
Obama will be impeached and jailed before his four years are finished. He'll go down in American history as the most inept and corrupt president ever. Pelosi will leave to country in disgrace. Reid will die from a stroke.
Dealit707 1 year ago
@Dealit707 well arent u just a chipper person, u red neck piece of crap. give one piece of evidence to support that rediciulous statement.
jnizo33 1 year ago
Typical "Moonbat" liberal. All you have is "spin and razzle dazzle". If you'd review comrade Obama's first year in office and read the Bill of Rights, The Constitution etc. etc. you'd know exactly what I'm talking about.
The Socialist Dem's day of reckoning is coming....Nov. 2010.
Have a nice day!....Comrade!
Dealit707 1 year ago
@Dealit707 oh yea you're really clever.... because people who don't support illiterate red necks who have no idea on how to run a country are immediately communists. good job there
jnizo33 1 year ago
@jnizo33 Great comeback!....If one doesn't agree with comrade Obama's Marxist views, that makes then illiterate "rednecks". I am neither a "redneck", or an illiterate.
What i am is a middle of the road American, who's fed up with Obama's lying Socialist bullshit. America WILL reject you, and Obama's regime, come NOv. 2010.
Dealit707 1 year ago
You seem awful sure of that, do you have a time machine or something?
Can you name many policies obama and marx share?
Not everything Marx suggested was batshit, though most wouldn't apply to a world 2 centuries ahead of him and to base your economics on his ideas is like basing your biology on darwin (Rather than a modern evolutionary biology book) ... but obama could support some Keynsian ideas that could be traced to marxian thinking, without being a communist. Not that I think he does.
unassumption 1 year ago
@Dealit707
@Dealit707
You can't assess Obama on his questionable first year any better than liberals could do to Bush - instead of disagreeing with his policies, you have to exaggerate them to the point of absurdity. Obama is not in any way a communist; his ideas are primarilly reversing recent deregulations and tax-cuts, compared with international leaders let alone potential political philosophies he's far from a 'comrade.' At most a socialist, which is very different from a communist...
unassumption 1 year ago
@unassumption I can, and I will asses Obama's pathetic/relentless assault on all that is good in America, and if you have a problem with that....Tough!
In his first six months in office he's more than tripled our national debt, and left future generations facing financial ruin. His ultimate goal is a Socialist America ruled by a massive gov't infrastructure. He routinely ignores the will of the people. He will be de-balled in Nov. 2010, then thrown out on his ass in 2012.
Dealit707 1 year ago
@Dealit707
No one's saying you can't try, just that the assesment of a leader after one year in office is likely to be inacurate, and electing leaders out on the basis of their early performance would have robbed the world of great leaders.
Secondly, the economic situation into which a party came to power must be considered, in this case the recession; Thatcher entered in through one herself.
Don't get your hopes up too high, lest you be disapointed if you fail in 2010.
unassumption 1 year ago
@Dealit707
Obama has some socialist ideas, but so do all governments; all industry seemingly requires some regulation (antitrust laws, advertising standards, etc) there must be some executive branch, and some industries are not suited for private industry either because they are natural monopolies (Water, gas, power) or because no individual would pay for some nesicary social goods (defence, roads). To attack 'socialism' is absurd as no one poses an alternative.
unassumption 1 year ago
@assumption "SOME Socialist ideas"...LOL. You're funny! You sound like your typical far left ideologist; always downplaying the obvious for negative spin control
You give yourself away as a Socialist (failure!), when you state that water, gas and power service/distribution are "natural monopolies". They've been run by many different private co's for ages, but, of course, the gov't would do a far better job at it. LMAO
Dealit707 1 year ago
@Dealit707
In other nations, like the UK, the government does do a better job in industries where start up fees or localization render meaningful competition impossible. Sometimes there are great successes with private sector involvement, but always when it is heavily regulated. Name a state without some 'socialist' elements, in this century? Obama does not have more than the average leader's level of 'socialism'
unassumption 1 year ago
@Dealit707
The right and left both engage in far more spin thats just political nesecity; that pandoras box has been opened, wish it could close.
I don't see any glaring assaults on the constitution in Obama's propsals, nor do the supreme court. That said, the document is not supposed to be a bible. The founders based its content on what worked in their pre-industrial world in which half of america was untamed, they may have written something very different looking at systems proposed after.
unassumption 1 year ago
@jnizo33 Ok...try this one...Obama has spent in 1 year what Bush did in 8...I'm no Bush fan, but OWNED right there buddy...now tell your boyfriend your time is up on the joint computer you share so he can look up Starbuck's new Pumpkin Spice Latte recipes or refresh his Liberal talking point notes....like..."Bush lied, people died, Cheney is out for oil, Do fags love the "top" or "bottom" more, whip out his credit card for gay marriage petition money, etc...OWNED!
TheLiberalsSuck 1 year ago
@TheLiberalsSuck
Unlike bush, obama has actually done something with his power. Not everyone who opposes you is a more romantically successful faggot than your closseted ass, some of us lack boyfriends too. I thought you were up big corporations asses, why so anti starbucks :(
There are far worse talking points on the right than the left buddy, if you look at 'the war was a lie, but the reason we give is wrong' and say crazy, what can we do with teabaggers?
unassumption 1 year ago
@jnizo33
Don't get so emotional, refrain from regional slang (chipper) that many online may not understand and can give your identity away, as well as expletives (Which can make your message appear weak, as a flame or a troll) personal insults, especially based on the group/class you assume (From the content of his comment, scant evidence) he originates from... focus on the question, of what evidence he has to back up his claims, and he has less to attack you from the side on.
unassumption 1 year ago
*yawn*, they used to say the same thing about bush.
BillKiernan 1 year ago
@Dealit707 Impeached for... what? For wiretapping? Starting an illegal war? Revoking the rights of tax-paying US citizens? Oh... wait that was someone else.
PigFucker1048576 1 year ago
@PigFucker1048576 Yeah, and Obama shouldn't be impeached for not posting any bill on C-Span for 5 days before voting on things he has no idea are in the bill, Congress declarling a bill "passed" without voting on it, imposing Cap & Trade on a Friday night, passing Healthcare sham on Christmas Eve, and forgetting the will of the people were overwhelmingly against it? Yeah...you got us "Conservatives" there, don't cha? OWNED!
TheLiberalsSuck 1 year ago
@TheLiberalsSuck
the will of the people...who voted them in rather than the republicans....to do the things they promised to do, like pass healthcare.... if you oppose obama for this you must oppose every politician the nation has ever had, because it's never let the general public vote on every issue, except in some state legislature like calafornia, see where that got them.
unassumption 1 year ago
@Dealit707 and what precisely are you basing these claims on?
zippythewildone 1 year ago
Let's start with every underhanded lying backdoor deal this piece of socialist garbage has done in his first 2 month's in office. This flat-out lying Marxist will be impeached and jailed for high crimes against the American people.
Pelosi is a certifiable "nut bag", and Bidden is....Joe Bidden..."Stooge".
Dealit707 1 year ago
@Dealit707 You are comically uninformed. Socialism is different than Marxism, and
nothing that Obama has done or has
proposed doing displays Marxist ideals.
And again, you have yet to prove that he
has done any lying, or any backdoor dealing.
What has he lied about and what crimes
have he committed?
We have socialism isn't innately negative either.
We have socialized education. What's
wrong with that?
zippythewildone 1 year ago
@zippythewildone Socialism and Marxism are different like cat shit if different than dog shit.
Dealit707 1 year ago
@Dealit707 That's a colorful analogy that has little meaning.
If you want to support your point actually respond to what I'm saying, don't respond with how you feel about what I'm saying.
zippythewildone 1 year ago
@Dealit707 Is it forbidden to be a socialist? Whats so wrong about being socialistic? Well anyway Obama supports the capitalistic ideals, so no worries. Us socialists aren't proud of him, but meh not socialist.
Chazorvigg 1 year ago 5
@Chazorvigg
Socialism and Capitalism are not wholly at odds - one can nationalise certain industries without making the whole nation public sector - and regulations seem to be socialist (At least to me - the word has too many definitions) sadly it seems even being socialist in one area of the economy is enough to make you a Stalinist in the eyes of many.
unassumption 1 year ago
@unassumption Why in the world would any sane person want to see a gov't nationalize anything? They've proven time and again that they're total fuck-ups when they get involved in the free enterprise system. Why you ask!.....because they have no "bottom line". When they inevitably find themselves swimming in the red, they simply raise our taxes higher...higher...higher, or massive national debt.
Let us count all of the Socialist paradises........Ah!!...Anyone!
Dealit707 1 year ago
@Dealit707 It's spending priority and waste that needs to change. Health, education, etc, can be paid for without raising taxes if you do a budget over-haul. Defense needs to be looked into and made relevant to today's threats. This isn't the Cold War. We can decrease spending there while investing in new technologies that fit today's needs.
Tax loopholes and credits need to be closed, too, to help sure up the revenue. Revamp the tax system, lower payroll, introduce a VAT, etc.
southparkgtaca 1 year ago
@Dealit707
Well depending on how you define socialist, here seemingly any nation with a nationalised industry other than defence and law enforcement (I assume you make at least one of those exceptions) there are an awful lot of 'socialist paradises.' The state must balance public and private sectors, depending on the demands of the sector; its not as if there is no acountability, oportunity for localisation, trandparancy, competition or motivation in the public sector, these guys are elected.
unassumption 1 year ago
@unassumption america mostly confines it's socialism to corporations and to banks
and has a slave army to run it's catering agriculture and defence. 'defence '(i i use the term loosely -it often means invasion)is mostly farmed out to african mercenaries now who guard the "heroes" who would otherwise be unemployable -an efficient and genetically driven system-expect more war exports soon
tumadoireacht 1 year ago
@tumadoireacht facism. not socialism.
funder1der 1 year ago
@Chazorvigg hes not a socialist
johnfox3 1 year ago
@johnfox3
1st read
2nd understand
3rd he is not a socialist i know.
Chazorvigg 1 year ago
@Chazorvigg ow yea opps!, but then why is soclism facism ?
johnfox3 1 year ago
@johnfox3 Socialism isn't fascism. Look it up, type in 'fascism' in the google search bar and hit the google search button. Then read and understand. When you have finished, look up Socialism; read and understand the aspects. You are now done and can come back to the convo constructively.
Chazorvigg 1 year ago
@Chazorvigg I know what it means, I dont think I understand what your saying, never mind...
johnfox3 1 year ago
@Chazorvigg the problem is people keep calling it socialist when its actualy facist.
funder1der 1 year ago
@funder1der guys -at least learn to spell the word --it is f-a-s-c-i-s-t----oh and german fascists called themselves national socialists hence the name NA-ZI--neat huh ? oh and unassumption-- weather happens in the sky -perhaps you mean "whether"
tumadoireacht 1 year ago
@funder1der
Socialists support democracy. Fascist don't. Socialists work for equality. Fascist suppresses the people.
Fascists and socialists are the complete opposites.
Chazorvigg 1 year ago
@Chazorvigg being fascist is when business owns your government. welcome to America.
funder1der 1 year ago
@funder1der not really facsism. Just capitalism and liberalism. Facsist would control the business
Chazorvigg 1 year ago
@Chazorvigg .... we watching the same world!? everything is controlled by business. what do you think the federal reserve is?
bailouts, secret police, shadow government *admited many times in presidential speaches* america is facsist, or heading towards it.
They own you, no matter how many times you say they dont, they own you.
funder1der 1 year ago
@Dealit707
Wow thats a lot of talking points for one post. There may be some exagerations from the left (its not universal, some will have slightly higher premiums, it might not help the economy that much even in the long run) but the outright lies (that it had anything to do with abortion for one that seemed popular in the house when it was voted on) . Backroom deals were conducted on both sides; it doesn't matter how the bill passes, just matters weather it works.
unassumption 1 year ago
@Dealit707
The insults of the named politicians are meaningless; nothing really is convayed by 'nutbag' other than your personal, emotional discontent. I can't really ask you to cite evidence for such meaningless claims. You know as well as I that, even if Bush had performed 'war crimes' as some presidents before him undoubtably have, he would never have been impeeched for them let alone imprisoned; Obamas lesser 'crimes' have even less chance of being acted on even if he did anything.
unassumption 1 year ago
@Dealit707
The Marxist socialist thing I can inquire further on; what do you mean when you use those terms and in what ways do the policies of Obama, or the Democratic members of congress which fit those terms, as you define them. Then explain why those words connote something bad; i'm sure any definition of those terms which can be linked to indisputably bad economic policy, will not simultaneously fit with the views of the president, much less his proposed bills, or those acted into law.
unassumption 1 year ago
@zippythewildone Let's start with reality!
Dealit707 1 year ago
@Dealit707 Saying, let's start with reality provides literally no support to your claim. Zero support. None. So basically you wasted your time writing that. And trying to reason with someone who apparently thinks that "let's start with reality" is an argument, let alone a good or effective one, is a waste my time. So with this comment I conclude this idiotic discussion. Good day.
zippythewildone 1 year ago
@Dealit707
Damn I wish i had the certainty in my convictions you conservatives seem to have... unfortunately i'm skeptical of anyone who claims to know the fucking future. It is at most possible that, if the democratic system is bypassed, obama could be thrown from office. Then again its possible that a pig will grow a pair of wings and fly.
unassumption 1 year ago
@unassumption Calm down! You can't make even a stupid point, if your head is about to explode. LOL
Dealit707 1 year ago