The True Shelf Life of Drugs - What the FDA isn't Telling

[scarletmoon]

Patriot Nurse, I too am a Nurse(vocational), but this was new to me. You did mention a a couple on your recommended list of drugs to have for one's BOB. Did you happen to find research on Zithromax, Ampicillin and Amoxicillin? Let me know ASAP. Thanks hun, and keep up the great work!

[loganv0410]

Fascism at it's finest. Don't let anything interfere with corporate profits.

Logan the Cynic

[1911aces]

thank you very much for all your time put into this, and your other vids.

[Education2010able]

Each time I've gone to Pharmacy I always ask Pharmacist to write the exp date of the bottle from which the pills came so I'll know what the manufacturers exp date was. Otherwise, typically, the med bottle they give you states "one year" from date of the filling of the Rx. Always store cool, dry, darkness/no light which in turn extends shelf life.

[lanceehansen]

I just got a problem 2months ago, they took out my thyroid after finding cancer. i need to find out shelf life and substitutes. the meds or am I screwed as a preper???

[lindahl01]

A very interesting video. thank you. I have a question though. Do you have any information on the spread of the expiration dates? English is not my first language, so to clarify, you gave the average time to expiration, but is there any data re if some samples expired two months before the average, or six months before the average?

[ashleyalicecullen]

Liquid medications DO turn rancid if you go past the expiration. I check this myself with children's Advil liquid. Thanks for the info.

[cresidue]

Great video, please post the link at 7:08 so I don't have to try and retype it.

[hotchicksandpuppies]

Great video. Glad I found your channel. Wish there were more medical professionals willing to be so helpful.

[1943Grandpa]

Great info!

[MrBushLife]

Thank you PN

[BitchShitFucker]

From my own expirence, diphenhydramine lasts like 15 years after it expires.

[firedawg529]

So I think (and I may be wrong) that if you vacuum seal meds in a per dose basis and keep them in the fridge NOT FREEZER you should get the most life out of your meds.

[CEMF100]

A lot of the links you listed are no longer available and many of the links from those that are still good have been removed as well. Good info though, thanks.

[ididcramsmom]

No matter how many of these I watch, I can't get enough of "poop" hits the fan!!! Great info., btw!!

[GrandAwakening]

God bless you for what you do.......

[armywifeprepper]

Very interesting although I'm not surprised.

[garlicdawg]

I have taken beta blockers 3 or 4 yrs past exp date and they were fine & effective....if they look dark or funky dont use....also I have read that anti-biotics are more sensitive...so use more caution there...natural ABx like essential oils...have a long shelf life>> and will work well as a preventative and a cure in many cases...taken internally.....be well & prepared....

[davethevanman]

I applaud your efforts to bring this information out but I also caution you. Even though I am watching this more than a yr after it's upload date, you are potentially causing big Pharma and the political avenues that profit from it to lose potential profits. Most of those types don't like losing money, real or perceived. It's not uncommon for these types to shut you down permanently through litigation and such. Still, thank you for what you do, you got a new sub today.

[onebigkahuna69]

i would think most meds can go beyond their experations dates if they are in an controlled enviroment.?The difference one being carried in a backpack or one in a basement/underground enviroment

[monkadelic13]

water purification tablets arent that big of a deal... if you can boil water; then you can make it potable.. also an extra plastic gatorade bottle or something like that in your pack can be cut open and used as a filter with a bandana, sand, and charcoal from your fire to filter then boil.

[MatthewTrash]

Youre a nurse because you wear scrubs

[chinquita1]

can u vacuum seal meds and make them maybe last longer?

[profsat5]

I was at my docs office several years back and he put me on Inderal

(propranolol hydrochloride) Tablets.uses for these.1They are betablockers.2High Blood Pressure.3Take when having a heart attack.4Palpitations.5Panic Attacks.6Anxiety,plus a lot more.I say this because he gave me a bunch of samples.Got home and was looking at them(about 5 to a pack)Noticed some exp dates were way off,close to 18 months,called him and he said they were ok.So I pass that on but still use at own risk,look them up.

[TacticalSoleSurvivor]

Ok, here is an easier one. What is the true expiration of sutures?

[DIXIECONFEDERATEDAWG]

PATRIOT NURSE IS FOR SURE FROMT HE SOUTH!

[MrMadmax900]

Looks like the FDa removed their link you posted. Be careful you might piss off someone with money. Beck found out what happens when you do that.

[brchbell]

thanks Patriot nurse! My Dr. lets us get prescripts for a full year and we vacuum seal them into canning jars and stick into the basement fridge. Never has a problem. We live 100 miles of anything and dead of winter can get trapped at home for month's on end. So every summer we go and get restocked. Now we know what we don't use can be kept longer!

[swdw973]

Should mention for long term storage, the military tests drugs from refrigerated storage in the original containers containing desiccant packages. If an individual is going to store tablet drugs for long term they should.

1. Refrigerate the drugs

2. Store in an airtight container. You can leave the drugs in a prescription container with the label and place several smaller containers in a larger container that is airtight.

3. Place desiccant in the airtight container

[DarthMeg]

Guys, for the third site, the reason you get a "Page Not Found" is because the link is "Drugs/Dru/gSafety". Im sure you notice the error.

[glockfan86]

Can people get antibiotics without prescriptions?

[TheJovanist]

I want a girlfriend like you.  Smart, cute, ballsy, and badass.

[FixedByDoc]

as an ex combat medic and having a BS in health education and several certifications in medicine i have found that the expiration dates on drugs are made to say they expire earlier than they do so because ppl who dont check the dates generaly throw out the drugs about 6 months afterwards give or take so ive been told through military schooling. most NSAID's are expired 6-12 months after said expiration dates. you seem to have done some excellent research here...

[Pnutt5100]

@patriotnurse where could I buy large ammounts of antibiotics for when shtf???? Please let me know I have a big family and want to be prepared! Thanks

[brinsonka]

Slep website has been blocked.

[1357985673]

nice glasses

[MusicMan20061210]

Great you already had a vid for this!

I was about to ask you,but looked first...hehe

I just stumbled onto your vids today and I think they are great. Fast and easily assimilated info on many things we might not think about and would miss.

Thanks!

[Kacideee]

what about albuterol inhalers? any info on those? thanks so much.. they obviously don't want us to know :-/

[Kacideee]

Interesting that #1 link gives you a recommendation to exit the site, and #3 gives a 'Page Not Found' message.

[Nebulax123]

I had some sample meds from my doctor one time that I kept for a couple years and when I opened one to see if it was still good it looked the same as when new . They were individually vacuum packed in a heavy foil and I think they would have kept much longer. I am going to test vacuum sealing some vs leaving some in the bottle as a control.

[necko103]

what about dicloxacilin...

[foxden242]

Thanks for these videos, this is great stuff, just what I've been looking for.

[thebeastman33]

all the research you did... what were the date/years these studies were conducted? is it possible that shelf life from said products in the studies have a shorter life after the "expiration date" due to 'easy to manufacture' processing. Cheaper-to-make products that yield high profit/turn out for companies usual are shittier in quality. Every one trying to make big money, fast usually takes short cuts! =/ thanks

[PatriotPrepper]

I think there are a lot of things the FDA is not telling us. Great info. We are really duped by big Pharma. Keep up the good work.

[polylingue]

What about when they do not allow any of these drugs to come in? I mean after lockdown? Hmm, what then? I guess the druggies will get desperate. Thanks, PN

[BarkleyBell]

I think there is enough information on this subject to look into deeper. You are right, this could really hurt sales.

[lblum29]

Omg! Wtf?!?!?

[swirlcrop]

Thanks for posting this interesting video.

[moonshadow93924]

do the injectable antibiotics have the shame shelf life as the pills? It would probably be a good idea to have some injectables on hand as well.

[SlvrStkr2]

@moonshadow93924 No, she said liquid antibiotics shouldn't be used past the expiration date. But Tabs of penicillin type Anti B's up to two years.

[lebeef143]

Lady you kick @ss! I just recently subscribed. Can't wait for more videos. 

[Richardofdanbury]

I've read that tetracycline can be toxic after expiration. Did you find any other evidence of this other than the severe reaction that you spoke of.

BTW, your site and series is excellent. Keep up the good work.

Richard of Danbury

[ThePatriotNurse]

@Richardofdanbury I did not. That incident seems to be the backbone of the warning against it.  Now I'm not saying that's the only thing conclusively - - I'm just saying in my search I could not find another reference point.

[21stCenturyDub]

@ThePatriotNurse PN & Richard: I am almost certain tetracycline can become nephrotoxic (kidney damaging) after expiration. Did the official FDA logged incident indicate that? You didn't mention how it "didn't go down well"...I have neither the time nor will to research this further atm but it appears this issue needs this further investigation.

[moonabove89]

@thepatriotnurse would you say that liquid and gel medications last longer than expiration dates as well? Such as dayquil and advil liquid gels as well as children's liquid medications?

[ThePatriotNurse]

@moonabove89 Probably, but just by virtue of their formulation (liquids are more chemically unstable than solids) they will not last as long as the pill versions...one reason why I do not store very many liquids. You can grind pills up and swirl them in apple juice for kids as a substitute for childrens formularies. Getting the kids to swallow it is another story :-)

[moonabove89]

@ThePatriotNurse Haha, well thank you for the information. Your videos are very helpul =)

[moonabove89]

@ThePatriotNurse Hey! One more question for ya... Would you say vitamins apply by the same general guidelines or are they no-go after their expo dates? I hope things are looking up for you these days, I really do appreciate your videos and refer to them often =)

[NurseMeister]

Read next four long-winded posts from bottom to top... sorry 'bout that : )

[NurseMeister]

After that date and the dose will likely degrade down from the listed dosage (it cannot go up, but it can degrade into toxic daughters). There is always a dose response. As an RN you can appreciate the complexity of administering a drug with an unknown dosage. We would be flying blind on adjusting based on a variable each dose. There is no conspiracy here, just rules set up by an over baring busy-body governmental bureaucracy.

Sorry so long, but not a simple answer : )

[NurseMeister]

The last thing we are going to do is try to add shelf life beyond what is required and potentially opening up a can of worms by doing so. What would be the point? The FDA won’t allow us to list it on the bottle anyhow.

Now, also keep in mind that the shelf life MOST OFTEN signifies the time when the active ingredient will be guaranteed to be within a narrow range of the dose listed on the bottle...

[NurseMeister]

Tamperproof, child resistant etc) and it must pass with each combination of those packaging as well. You see how quickly it gets out of hand.

Now, we run these tests in high temp/humidity chambers and then assay the drugs. Once we get the minimum stability required by the FDA - We Stop!

Get approval and get it to market, Period...

Working with the FDA is like working with the IRS, you don’t want any questions about why stability failed three days after its minimum shelf life.

[NurseMeister]

I am a former pharmaceutical eng and have some background in "shelf life" which is called Stability. OK, so here's the skinny... Each drug will have its own FDA approved formulation, including its coating, compression, blending excipients etc. but most importantly packaging. There is no, and never will be a hard & fast rule for stability across differing products. Each tablet goes through its own stability testing in each different packaging (blister packs, Teflon cap, PE, glass, PET...

[justsayno2islam]

Does refridgeration extend the life of most anti-biotics?

[landshark22]

The Lactated Ringers extension makes sense. When I was in the Army we would often get told that the expirations on the IV bags we carried were extended another 6 months etc. Since every man carried his own 1000 ml IV bag you can imagine throwing that away would be pretty expensive. Then towards the end of the extension we'd often have a "training day" on giving IV's. Keep up the good work.

[hypemuch]

i've got a script bottle of tylenol 3 and thats almost 4.5 years old, last time i used one it worked like a charm

[michelleb1129]

Thank you good solid info..

[ITILII]

2 of my favorites on You Tube wear shades: The Anti Terrorist, and Patriot Nurse. They wear shades, but don't keep you in the dark, instead they bring the light of truth to us all

[xMyJadedHeartx]

Here's my thought... shelf life probably refers to the life of the product sitting on a shelf, in an uncontrolled environment, like you may find in a pharmacy(minus those needing refrigeration).

Now here's my question... Do you feel keeping antibiotics in the freezer or deep freeze will postpone the expiration date even further?

[Synos001]

Where is the wikileak on this? FOIA can't touch this?

[LrdSothe6K]

Hmm. I wonder if a Freedom of Information request would bring any results...?

[xMyJadedHeartx]

@LrdSothe6K Wow now that's a very interesting thought! I will definitely research that.

[johnny1290]

You're so hot. Love the vids and thanks!

[jdessell]

Like the new shades. Keep up the good work P.N.

[ThePatriotNurse]

Thanks!!! I am really rough on my shades...Whether by loss, theft, or breakage, the shelf life for my shades runs at about 2 months!

[jdessell]

@ThePatriotNurse Nah. I'm sure they last longer than that you're just not telling us...lol.

[NoisemakerArrow]

@ThePatriotNurse See if the army can't do a study on extending their shelf life.

These "medications" may be toxic after they expire, but they're also toxic before they expire. Kevin Trudeau's "Natural Cures" book might interest you.

[NeelCyr]

Thank you for the information. One drug that particularly interests me in terms of longevity are statins. Did you research have any tidbits of information on those?

Thanks

[ThePatriotNurse]

@NeelCyr: Negative :( There were only about 15 drugs (maybe less, can't totally remember) total that managed to leak out of over 300 that the SLEP tested.

[ThePatriotNurse]

At least, that's what I found. Maybe a skillful searcher could scrounge up some more

[akaalbany]

Thanks so much will start researching the meds we use,

[Iridium242]

Thanks for getting this out, Its something I have wondered about for years.. I have taken "expired" OTC Stuff, and figured the dates were a bunch of BS, but its nice to hear it from a person who knows what they are talking about when it comes to meds :)

[metlums]

Thank you so much for the information. I've been doing my best to put meds back and now I feel safer and better in doing so. It really hacks me off that we're all taken such advantage of for the sake of the almighty dollar. Keep up the great work and God bless you.

[mywillpower1]

We really appreciate all your work.

[1whoseeksthelight]

Great Job! Even those over the counter medications last much longer than the expiration date.

[Hobohube]

thank you . great job. On one of your videos you mentioned asprin past it's expiration being an issue? Could you explain or say a bit about it?

[ThePatriotNurse]

@Hobohube: Basically, If Aspirin smells strongly, overwhelmingly acidic (like vinegar) it's best to pass on it...This little "Litmus Test" for me is difficult, because I have never smelt aspirin in this state. That's kinda why I don't store too much aspirin...it's cheap, but I have never been altogether comfortable with it's toxicity indicators. That being said, it has it's place, especially for cardiac patients.

[littlegiantkennel]

i do know you can eat Mounds even if its three years outdated . because i have. and when you notice and call the 1800 number on the wrapper they just say that it is perfectly ok to eat but the taste may be altered , thats all. i didnt get sick or die lol.

[Rockerchic4God]

I also did this same research a few years ago. Most meds (exepting some antibiotics, insulin, etc.) do last many years, although the efficacy will lessen the more time goes on. Thanx for addressing this, PN! It's good for people to know they don't have to throw away expensive pills because the date on the bottle has passed.

[vonhismean]

good info thanks

[notyranny1]

Sending love and hugs to you and your hubby. Wishing you the best. Thank you for the video.

[satansmusic2009]

PN thank you so much for doing what you do your just....AWESOME

[bladeimm]

Thank you.

[craniumxd]

Great job as usual PN.

[ZombieTactics]

Do you know anything about "titrating" compounds to determine concentrations? I know this used to be a pre-tech way of scientifically determining drug quality and shelf-life, but I can't find an online guide.

[RNEMrenegade]

what about pain meds?

[survival42]

Thanks to replying to my comments on a previous video. I thought after a week of my question going unanswered you were ignoring me. Seems it was quite the opposite. Thanks for the great videos and information!

[dsarti1]

many drugs shelf life can be extended by refrigeration and even freezing oxycodone can be packed in container with dessicent and kept below 0 for many years past its shelf life

[Verilioness]

I like the cut of your jib. Thanks for the frank talk about expiration dates, I couldn't agree more.

[marieatthelake]

Thank you. 

[ArchBishopDrunk]

I am a hypochondriac and to me, you are a fear monger... Your videos always scare me....... I'm not kidding but no offence intended. Love what ya do here!

[ironhead41]

great research....thanks......

[homunculis99]

ive been told eurythromyicin im sure i murdered the spelling of it. turns very toxic

[1x93cm]

i've been hearing from some ppl that theres been a shortage of some ems drugs like epinephrine and whatnot although i dont know if its hype or engineered

[semperfi247365]

Thank You for all your time and research on this subject, and most of all Thank You for providing us with such invaluable information.

[2bullydogs]

great video, keep up the good work...

[EastTNSurvivalist]

Awesome video.  I have always suspected that most drugs have a longer expiration than listed.

[lrrp25]

They started blocking the links. You must have friends in high places. Stay safe.