@13mordeth Imo it would be done on the opposite side because said extra weight would be pushing your tires towards the ground, thus increasing traction, whereas the same side pushing would be pushing them in kindof a horizontal direction, making it like you were cornering harder. just the way my mind is working it out.
Bah I heard you mention this in another video and have been pushing on the wrong foot in a turn. I'll try it out tomorrow, hope it works better! Thanks M13.
I'm sorry but this is not turn foot peg pressure doesn't help you through a turn as much as your body position and and handle bar pressure. i think i twas Keith code that proves this in one of his videos. They have a guy riding a bike with a separate set of handle bars mounted to the bike not the triple tree. He s stands with one foot on one peg and leans and the bike barely goes anywhere.
You will eventually be able to use your legs to turn the bars.
The reason why you do this is because your body will stay with the bike and you won't be doing it supermoto style and leaning the bike while you are straight up and down.
Yeah, what lolwhat2 said (is what I've heard). Although I've also heard that if you're turning right, push down on the right peg when starting the countersteer, and it helps whip the bike into the lean quicker, then transfer your weight onto the left peg to help with traction.
Have been told to do the M13 version in the wet to help with traction.
Pivot steering is only to help traction, it doesn't make the bike turn at all.
Imagine a bike leaned into a corner, so hard it's almost about to slide. If you push the inside peg, the force will push the bike sideways and make it slide out.
If you push the outside peg, the force will help push the tires downwards, giving you more traction.
Putting your weight on the pegs to pivot steer wont move your weight "down".... Your body mass is still in the same position. Whether you have most of your weight on the seat or the pegs doesn't matter... Moving your body down and to the inside of the bike is what will change the effective CG of the bike and rider combo. Pivot steering is just a way to optimize the most possible leverage on the bars for quick steering.... I like your comment at the end of the vid haha very funny!
I know it will sound funny, but i used to do the pivot turning with my bicycle (is that spelled correctly?). though it was instinct... if you are riding really fast, and turn to the right and have the right pedal down, you will most likely end up hitting the ground with it.
this is bullshit. oh yeah, all asians drive like shit cuz they can't handle the speed. shit, they can't even handle their small ass cars properly. they should stay off the highways. muthafuckers can't change lanes, turn or park, can't do shit in cars but cause accidents
Hey racist mother fucking ignorant hypocritical profiler. I'm Asian. Let's fucking race, you pussy. I'm located in Southern California San Diego. Get back at me. I'll show you who fucking sucks at driving.
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ahahhaa, wtf. race? fuck you asian trash. hey where are the fucking asians in pro motorsport racing huh? you little small dicks rank nowhere in the world. little dark shit. you turds can't do shit in the real racing world. go fuck yourself and crash into a street pole, always causing trouble and accidents and shit. just go kill yourself in your jacked up ghetto rice mobile, faggot
Its you against the world thadmanyo. Unless you got the balls to race and prove yourself, stop wearing underwear made in china, you dumbass. wtf is asian trash? we are ranked #1 in the Universities. We typically own your economy. What are you? 17?
Im not Asian, and i agree with what you say. China now owns USA, specially now with that dumb ass barack HUSSEIN obama in white house, OHHH Im sorry i ment to say BARRY SOETORO. Thats his true name :)
an article by the new york times (an american newspaper) and associated press (american as well just in case you dont know) published articles on china's rising power. just google their articles: "China opens public discussion of its rising power - Asia - Pacific - International Herald Tribune" and "Amid the global economic crisis, China rises". Heres your proof you ignorant bitch. go and watch some cnn stupid fuck. have fun reading... if you even know how to.
that's all you have? some news titles and your delusional kiss-ass beliefs? jump off your bandwagon dumbass. you aren't proving china owning the U.S. you fag. prove it bitch. where's your fucking chinese intellect you speak of? go back to your ghetto ass, human rights violating shithole. the world sees chinkland as a corrupt, money grubbing, rat labor, toilet. china should recall your defective ass. get the fuck out of my country if you love chinkland so much, you smelly little shit.
Thats all i have? I told you specifically to google the articles and read them. If you dont think thats enough, then you dont prize education or even care for your own country. I dont have the time to waste talking to some low class hillbilly. Go get yourself some education and learn to read. My neighborhood kindercare is accepting applications.
oh look at this, just riding bitch again. did your mama tell you that china's your daddy? you don't prove shit, and you claim china is the best shit in the world that owns the U.S.? if it's that great you little soysauce fuck, go back to your country, boy. your little mama and papa fucking ran from that shit like rats, dumbass. go choke on your pirated dvd's, lead paint, and fake foods for start bitch. only low class is your ghetto chinkass, picking your noses being loud ass fobs
have you ever lived china? if you havn't, your words dont mean shit unless you can prove it. I dont claim china's the shit. White people do (according to your white articles). thadmanyo, its not the 18th century, Chinese racism passed long ago and we're helping your white ass country get out of debt.
Thadmanyo, you're saying i dont know my academics? wtf are you trying to say? Take a look under your computer and most of the shit you use. MADE IN CHINA. It makes things so much affordable like your phone. Stop being a hypocrite about it and deal with asians. Its ignorant people like you that piss me off. I don't discriminate because you are white. Seriously, what makes u such a racist?
just get it through your tofu head, asians can't drive for shit. happens all the damn time, some car pulling some stupid ass move or fucking up traffic, stopping in the middle of the intersection, and a lot of dumbshit, fucking asian. go ride your rusty bicycles, oh wait, then you'll start fucking up our bicycle lane traffic... fuckers can't driving shit
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most people suck, yeah ok. you still can't deny that most asians suck worse than everyone else. they are like the trash of driving. oh, who's the dumbass going 20 under the speed limit? asian. oh who fucking scraped a car trying to park, asian. oh who is the ass who can't drive period, asian! get fucking real
I was driving behind this white couple going 30 under the limit in the fast lane! WTF?! I hate white people. Cant even change lanes or change their own oil. Ford = Fix Or Repair Daily.
what, your getting so fucking weak it's pathetic. crying now just because the real truth came out? just realizing what a dumbshit you are? boy, i know chink who know what's up. compare chinkland and the U.S. and china looks like fucking garbage. don't give a shit about human rights, food safety, safety for anything, no fucking freedom, quality of life, boy, you're a fucking joke. thinking you're all bad ass here, can't even fix your trash country. get fucking real, chinaman ho
Talking about weak... the U.S. government is pussy compared to China's. You'd be arrested if you were in China by talking shit about China. We're heartless and we got Nukes that can blast your city to bits. U.S. stopped building those i think because i think they figured out it hurts people.
if you don't understand pivot steering, try it on a mountain bike first, because bicycles are so light the difference between your weight being on the seat or the outside pedal in a corner is HUGE
What you're saying makes sense but i've been told that when leaning off the seat all of your weight is supposed to be supported by your outside knee gripping the tank. Needless to say that would be impossible to do if it were all on a foot peg. So which is correct? No offense but I've heard professional racers talking about gripping the tank with their knees around corners so I'm leaning in that direction.
Yeah, I tried it today and I don't know what I was thinking when I wrote my original comment but you can certainly push down on the outside peg and grip the tank with your knee.
I tried just pushing on a peg when I was riding in a straight line and the bike actually started to lean...what a neat trick! Combine that with counter steering and it should make for much more responsive cornering.
Like the tips. Hadn't really tried this before... Tried to get it on the roads today, but too many cars in the canyons due to Labor Day and getting a really late start.
When I was able to do it a couple times, combined with body lean, seems like the bike wasn't leaning over as much -- got around a tight left on an upwards slope on Old Topanga Canyon (where I normally scrape my peg) very cleanly.
Interesting, this pivot steering is something I've never heard of and hasn't even occured to me. I'll definitely try this with my zx-9r. This method sounds very plausible imho because of newton's third law. When you push ex. right foot down, it creates equal "negative" force that affects at higher center of gravity point that causes momentum to make bike collapse into other way than first might expect. Just a thought, not a fact :)
Anyway I've never really believed that peg weighting or pivot steering was worth much. With proper counter steering I can steer the bike with only the input of one finger...if some other method involves stomping on a stationary part with piles of strength, it doesn't seem effective at all.
It does. Pushing on the outside peg causes this to happen by moving your body over and the bike in the opposite direction. It makes you lean in more correct way. It doesn't put your body mass in your feet. That's impossible.
So you're saying that if you are on a bike. And you stand on the seat.....or stand on the pegs......the bike's center of gravity doesn't change either way? Perhaps you failed at common sense.
If you stand up on the bike of course the center of mass will change. You have changed the location of your body. However, simply keeping your body in one spot while pressing on the foot pegs won't change the center of mass. The pegs may be supporting your weight, but that is not the same as moving the center of mass.
I might be mistaken but he didnt say body mass... he said body weight.... Weight =/= mass... and hes right applying pressure to one foot adds body Weight to it... someone failed basic vocabulary thinking mass is weight...
Weight is just a measure of the force that gravity exerts on an object with mass. Unless you physically move mass, you haven't changed the location of the weight. I was more interested in the claim that stepping on the foot peg changed the center of gravity. It doesn't, because no mass is moved. Since no mass is moved, the center of gravity will stay the same.
To illustrate what is happening, stand on two feet about shoulder width apart. Now, without moving your body, try lifting one foot. Your body weight may now be SUPPORTED all on one foot, but your center gravity hasn't changed. Either you shift your body to rebalance, or you fall over.
When you do this on a motorcycle, reality is that you will almost always actually move your body (mass), which does move the center of gravity. It doesn't however move mass to your feet (still impossible), your body moves to the side opposite of the peg you pushed. The center of gravity will now be off to the side of the motorcycle allowing it to remain more upright during a turn and be more stable.
@YZBot your body doesn't have to move to the side of the motorcycle, all he's talking about is where the weight of the rider is applied and yes, the center of gravity of the "system" (ie motorcycle and rider together as one) does get shifted lower.
@Lamaj96 You can't move the CoG with out moving MASS (in a constant gravitational environment). The concept at work here is called 'load transfer'. You are not moving mass or CoG but are instead applying forces. That force is vectored along a line between the peg and the tire patch. This is why you press on the outside. The force is vectored perpendicular to the road surface rather than near parallel if you push down on the inner peg.
@YZBot yes yes yes that's essentially what i just explained, but the point still is that moving where the weight of the mass is applied will lower the CoG since "The center of gravity is the average location of the WEIGHT of an object."
Weight is a force (its magnitude influenced by mass yes), not an object. Forget pivot steering all together, if you get off the seat of the bike and stand on both pegs, the CoG of the system lowers. Remember rider and bike are different objects yet a system
@Lamaj96 You have to move mass to change the CoG. This is as simple as it gets.
Load transfer does not move the CoG. Ask yourself this. If I stand on a scale and it reads 160, does this mean my feet weigh 160 or the sum of all my body parts weigh 160? How about if I stand on one leg? Does my other leg lose all of it's weight?
The reading at the scale (or the footpegs on the motorcycle) is just the sum of the forces.
@YZBot Using this example, if you pick your feet a millimeter off the pegs, what is the weight on the pegs? What is the weight on the seat?
Now if you stand on the pegs with your butt of the seat 1 millmeter, what is the weight on the pegs now? What is the weight on the seat now? Notice, 1 millimeter difference will not justify mass having been moved since the relief of pressure is.
From example 1 to 2, potentially 160 lbs is transfered from seat to pegs!! With essentially no mass movement!
@YZBot So you're saying if a 500 lb man transfers his weight from the seat at 30 inches above the ground to the pegs at say 10 inches above the ground, the CoG, defined as "...the average location of the WEIGHT of an object." will not change??? The average location of the weight HAS NOT changed in this instance??? Not at all?? The CoG is somewhere in the middle of the bike depending on it's composition right? Well if you shift weight lower let alone BELOW the CoG it will change don't you think?
@YZBot I think you're ignoring what i've said. Load transfers during breaking/acceleration though, does change the CoG and there's too many sources to list to suppor that. But simply put if you wanted to lower the CoG of your bike using added weight where would you put two 100 lb dumbells? Pegs or on your head? There's a difference and standing vs sitting is exactly this.
@Lamaj96 Load does transfer during breaking/acceleration, and yes, the CoG will move as well, but that is caused by a different concept. That would be weight transfer. As the suspension moves, the mass of the bike also moves. Which does change the CoG.
There is a subtle but significant difference between the two. Weight transfer moves mass, which does change the CoG, while load transfer only moves where the force of the weight is applied.
@YZBot Well I still say that the CoG will change if there is a net change of weight downwards (location) and/or if there is weight added below the virtical position of the CoG (mass&gravity) and i don't see any reason to believe that's not true. It's the definition of CoG. But you're entitled to your own opinion.
You are confusing what weight really is. Weight is not a quantity (scalar), it's a force (vector). You even said this once already, but then fail to notice when you start using it the wrong way.
The average persons head weighs about 10#, It matters not if you are standing on one foot, upside down, hanging by one arm, or standing on your motorcycles pegs, your head still weighs 10#. No movement of mass, no change in CoG.
@YZBot Say whatever you want, you're going completely off topic and ignoring everything I've said, you havent commented on any of the examples I put. I just put in bracets the changing CoG would involve changing the location and quantity so don't start making things up. Continue on with it if you want, but you've avoided everything I've said so there's no point in discussing it any further.
@Lamaj96 I've responded to what I could. All I can do is try to tell you why it doesn't work the way you think it does. Which is also why I keep bringing up that you can't change the CoG without moving mass. Think about that for a minute. Moving mass involves physically moving the stuff of your body. Your atoms. This is after all what gravity is interacting with. To lower the CoG of your body you need more atoms lower in your body.
This is so true, i had the fortunate experience to meet James Toesland a few years ago and we were talking about different things but he was saying how crucial Peg placement is in racing for steering and shifting your weight on the bike...
That guy in the car in the beginning probably thought those hand gestures were for him telling him to move aside then you told him to move the other way LOL.
The reason it makes the bike more stable thus allowing you to take the corner faster is because pushing down on the outside peg during a corner increases the grip / traction of the tires (more the rear then the front) pushing on the inside will decrease grip / traction. This is a very helpful method to help keep the back end from drifting too much when on the track I know it has helped me in countless races and practice sessions, the small adjustments in weight distribution make a world of diff.
I've actually always done this. I didn't know there was a name for it. I originally learned this technique from bicycling as it let me turn incredibly hard and remain stable. It also gives me a lot more feedback. Hours of practice leaves you pretty sore though because you really do have to push down as hard as you can.
This is crazyy I feel like Mordeth is giving me a private lesson seeing how I JUST completed the MSF course a couple of hours ago..I'll rememeber this forever..my 1st bike I ever rode was a Suzuki GZ 250 :)
If you pushed on the peg on the same side as you turned - you would low slide the bike.
When you push on the opposite side - all your weight moves to the other side than the turn - allowing the bike to come lower and lowering the centre of gravity. If you did it on the same side you would place too much weight one one side- would have no balance and therefore low slide.
when u wanna get ur knee down dont u purposely get ur butt off the seat? like thats one of the things u have to do to get your knee down cuz when i watch races theyre pretty much hanging completely off
i know i sound like a total noob here.... lol
also now i realized i use this all the time when i ride my bike(bicycle) cuz i "practice" the knee down position and it really does help u take a sharper corner at higher speeds
been watching u for a while...... cool channel, I just bought my 1st bike... its sweet as hell its a 07 honda xr650l. its got balls to the wall power and theres almost nothing you cant do with it... Im from a bmx background so curbings still scare the crap out of me even though i drive right over them and barely feel anything lol... cant wait to hit some trails........ weeeeeeee
Well in physics it makes since to put down on the opposite peg. bcuz if you take a left and put your weight on the left, your weight is not above your base of support (the wheels) thus making you less stable and possibly making you fall.
I'm kind of new to the concept of pivot steering, I've actually been doing that for quite some time now. I friend of mine told me to press the outside peg harder when cornering, so I tried it and suddenly cornering became smoother and smoother.
A word of advice to those of you unfamiliar with pivot steering: Your thighs will get sore by using this technique!
So, if i understand this correctly, if you put more weight in the peg opposite to the turn you're making, then the bike will be forced to stay up, meaning that the tyres will have more contact surface with the road, right?
Kind of makes sense to me :P, although is not as easy as it sounds
i just got my first geared bike, and my foot size is UK12, which is quiet big, and im struggling to get my foot under the peg to change gears, does anyone know if u can change the position of the peg or foot rest? does it depend on your bike ? or can you do it to any bike ? any advice ,anyone thankyou
Not sure about your specific bike but you should be able to adjust the gear shift (not the foot rest) by taking it off it's shaft and reinstalling it at a higher angle. Check with your motorcycle dealer if you are not mechanically inclined. :^)
yes you can adjust the height of the gear shifter lever. Look at the rod that connects the end of it to the pivot point thing and there should be 2 nuts on each side.unscrew them(so that they loosen up, usually towards the inside) and then rotate that rod clockwise or counterclockwise to adjust the height. remember to tighten the nuts after :P
You can't actually change your center of mass by pressing on the pegs. Your body mass is still high regardless of what you are standing on. Pivot steering forces you to use other core riding techniques more correctly. ie. being light on the bars, countersteering, etc.
another great vid mordeth, i lean off the bike while taking corners at speed so leaning onto the right peg in a left turn would be hard, due to most my body weight being on the left side of the bike. if thats makes any sense. :S
What I noticed in this video is that it doesn't seem that there are any signs indicating the degree of turn in each corner; whereas, here in Canada there is always a posted recommended speed. Although it can be ludicrously slow sometimes, the recommended speed lets you know about how sharp a blind corner is. (did you ever use posted speeds at corners here in Canada mordeth? I doubt there are that many corners in the interior anyways lol)
The yellow/black arrows already indicate a dangerous corner.. here in europe they rarely use the indicated speed signs.. i think the only use it if the speed limit is like 110km/h and there comes a slow corner, then there will be a reccomended speed at like 40kmh.. If the speed limit is already low, there is no need to, they will just put a Red triangle signs with a corner
Cool. It sounds to me like over here it is much more strict; variations in corner intensity cause changes of recommended speeds in increments of 10km/h. We do still use the black on yellow arrow signs.
haha thats how standing up works thats great man
BALJIT147 7 months ago
@13mordeth Imo it would be done on the opposite side because said extra weight would be pushing your tires towards the ground, thus increasing traction, whereas the same side pushing would be pushing them in kindof a horizontal direction, making it like you were cornering harder. just the way my mind is working it out.
Zarthias 11 months ago
Bah I heard you mention this in another video and have been pushing on the wrong foot in a turn. I'll try it out tomorrow, hope it works better! Thanks M13.
lexay243 1 year ago
What was i talking about sex? No but you were thinking it :p haha
heyitstheo47 1 year ago
true*
ShwigShwag 1 year ago
I'm sorry but this is not turn foot peg pressure doesn't help you through a turn as much as your body position and and handle bar pressure. i think i twas Keith code that proves this in one of his videos. They have a guy riding a bike with a separate set of handle bars mounted to the bike not the triple tree. He s stands with one foot on one peg and leans and the bike barely goes anywhere.
ShwigShwag 1 year ago
@ShwigShwag pivot steering was actually coined by Code in Twist 2.
benitocarbonio 1 year ago
*...pressure is what is been changed.
Lamaj96 1 year ago
You will eventually be able to use your legs to turn the bars.
The reason why you do this is because your body will stay with the bike and you won't be doing it supermoto style and leaning the bike while you are straight up and down.
BIZNAILEY 1 year ago
Yeah, what lolwhat2 said (is what I've heard). Although I've also heard that if you're turning right, push down on the right peg when starting the countersteer, and it helps whip the bike into the lean quicker, then transfer your weight onto the left peg to help with traction.
Have been told to do the M13 version in the wet to help with traction.
TofuRealName 1 year ago
Don't think my last comment worked? Anyway.
Pivot steering is only to help traction, it doesn't make the bike turn at all.
Imagine a bike leaned into a corner, so hard it's almost about to slide. If you push the inside peg, the force will push the bike sideways and make it slide out.
If you push the outside peg, the force will help push the tires downwards, giving you more traction.
lolwhat2 1 year ago
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lolwhat2 1 year ago
speaking of cute...
emptyvid 2 years ago
What an awesome road to ride on!
RepublicanDumbAss 2 years ago
Putting your weight on the pegs to pivot steer wont move your weight "down".... Your body mass is still in the same position. Whether you have most of your weight on the seat or the pegs doesn't matter... Moving your body down and to the inside of the bike is what will change the effective CG of the bike and rider combo. Pivot steering is just a way to optimize the most possible leverage on the bars for quick steering.... I like your comment at the end of the vid haha very funny!
iNsUpErAbLeZePhYr 2 years ago
hey m13 could you please show steering a bike correctly?
i mean you said steering left or rigth and move your ass but i cant imagine it because i dont see it in your vlogs.
i get started with driving lessons here in germany and want to do it perfectly because i have only one week time for it... ty and keep it comming :D
1337n01z3 2 years ago
love the video's keep em coming lol :P
BoldMorin 2 years ago
ahahaha.. i'm sorry but the asian comments below are kinda funny. just the whole discussion
SKStylez 2 years ago
I know it will sound funny, but i used to do the pivot turning with my bicycle (is that spelled correctly?). though it was instinct... if you are riding really fast, and turn to the right and have the right pedal down, you will most likely end up hitting the ground with it.
Soujiro89 2 years ago
this works also on normal scooters xD i just tried it and my corners are different, easier.
Thanks mordeth13 <3
Steffos159 2 years ago
Interesting, this is also the technique for better cornering on bicycles. That's where I heard of doing this.
surfgurujeff 2 years ago
Bold statement xXCigarXx
ALL asians dont drive slow. Race has nothing to do with driving slow.
Blueponts 2 years ago
this is bullshit. oh yeah, all asians drive like shit cuz they can't handle the speed. shit, they can't even handle their small ass cars properly. they should stay off the highways. muthafuckers can't change lanes, turn or park, can't do shit in cars but cause accidents
thadmanyo 2 years ago
Hey racist mother fucking ignorant hypocritical profiler. I'm Asian. Let's fucking race, you pussy. I'm located in Southern California San Diego. Get back at me. I'll show you who fucking sucks at driving.
Blueponts 2 years ago
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ahahhaa, wtf. race? fuck you asian trash. hey where are the fucking asians in pro motorsport racing huh? you little small dicks rank nowhere in the world. little dark shit. you turds can't do shit in the real racing world. go fuck yourself and crash into a street pole, always causing trouble and accidents and shit. just go kill yourself in your jacked up ghetto rice mobile, faggot
thadmanyo 2 years ago
Its you against the world thadmanyo. Unless you got the balls to race and prove yourself, stop wearing underwear made in china, you dumbass. wtf is asian trash? we are ranked #1 in the Universities. We typically own your economy. What are you? 17?
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thadmanyo 2 years ago
Im not Asian, and i agree with what you say. China now owns USA, specially now with that dumb ass barack HUSSEIN obama in white house, OHHH Im sorry i ment to say BARRY SOETORO. Thats his true name :)
zyou8er 2 years ago
ahahaha asian trash, prove all the things you say. prove it, rice boy, or all you know is to repeat things others tell you, you ghetto soy sauce fag
thadmanyo 2 years ago
wtf are you stupid?!
Blueponts 2 years ago
let's see you use that "#1 chinese university education" to prove that china owns the U.S. and make me laugh at your own commie ignorance, lol
thadmanyo 2 years ago
an article by the new york times (an american newspaper) and associated press (american as well just in case you dont know) published articles on china's rising power. just google their articles: "China opens public discussion of its rising power - Asia - Pacific - International Herald Tribune" and "Amid the global economic crisis, China rises". Heres your proof you ignorant bitch. go and watch some cnn stupid fuck. have fun reading... if you even know how to.
Blueponts 2 years ago
that's all you have? some news titles and your delusional kiss-ass beliefs? jump off your bandwagon dumbass. you aren't proving china owning the U.S. you fag. prove it bitch. where's your fucking chinese intellect you speak of? go back to your ghetto ass, human rights violating shithole. the world sees chinkland as a corrupt, money grubbing, rat labor, toilet. china should recall your defective ass. get the fuck out of my country if you love chinkland so much, you smelly little shit.
thadmanyo 2 years ago
Thats all i have? I told you specifically to google the articles and read them. If you dont think thats enough, then you dont prize education or even care for your own country. I dont have the time to waste talking to some low class hillbilly. Go get yourself some education and learn to read. My neighborhood kindercare is accepting applications.
Blueponts 2 years ago
oh look at this, just riding bitch again. did your mama tell you that china's your daddy? you don't prove shit, and you claim china is the best shit in the world that owns the U.S.? if it's that great you little soysauce fuck, go back to your country, boy. your little mama and papa fucking ran from that shit like rats, dumbass. go choke on your pirated dvd's, lead paint, and fake foods for start bitch. only low class is your ghetto chinkass, picking your noses being loud ass fobs
thadmanyo 2 years ago
have you ever lived china? if you havn't, your words dont mean shit unless you can prove it. I dont claim china's the shit. White people do (according to your white articles). thadmanyo, its not the 18th century, Chinese racism passed long ago and we're helping your white ass country get out of debt.
Blueponts 2 years ago
Thadmanyo, you're saying i dont know my academics? wtf are you trying to say? Take a look under your computer and most of the shit you use. MADE IN CHINA. It makes things so much affordable like your phone. Stop being a hypocrite about it and deal with asians. Its ignorant people like you that piss me off. I don't discriminate because you are white. Seriously, what makes u such a racist?
Blueponts 2 years ago
just get it through your tofu head, asians can't drive for shit. happens all the damn time, some car pulling some stupid ass move or fucking up traffic, stopping in the middle of the intersection, and a lot of dumbshit, fucking asian. go ride your rusty bicycles, oh wait, then you'll start fucking up our bicycle lane traffic... fuckers can't driving shit
thadmanyo 2 years ago
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Blueponts 2 years ago
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you know when you pass up a dumbass driver and look at their asses, it's fucking asian. ain't nothing but the truth bitch
thadmanyo 2 years ago
Yo thamanyo. You're a fucking idiot for posting that comment on this video.
CanadianOKB 2 years ago
nah, i ain't, cuz what i said was true and you know it
thadmanyo 2 years ago
thadmanyo, you're wrong. Most people just suck at driving. Period.
So next time you're driving, eat a bag of dicks.
FoundationsofPause 2 years ago
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most people suck, yeah ok. you still can't deny that most asians suck worse than everyone else. they are like the trash of driving. oh, who's the dumbass going 20 under the speed limit? asian. oh who fucking scraped a car trying to park, asian. oh who is the ass who can't drive period, asian! get fucking real
thadmanyo 2 years ago
I was driving behind this white couple going 30 under the limit in the fast lane! WTF?! I hate white people. Cant even change lanes or change their own oil. Ford = Fix Or Repair Daily.
CanadianOKB 2 years ago
wow you sound like the most ignorant fuck in the world!
please just dig a hole and bury yourself thadmanyo so no one can ever have to deal with your ignorant ass ever again!
fcytud6 2 years ago
hey good on you i cant believe people are down grading your comment.. thadmanyo is a douche bag
DemonCovenant 2 years ago
for real, one of my friends is asian and hes a good driver, anyone can be a bad or good driver,
fcytud6 2 years ago
true ..
DemonCovenant 2 years ago
dont worry about thadmanyo. i think he still thinks its WW2 or something.
Blueponts 2 years ago
what, your getting so fucking weak it's pathetic. crying now just because the real truth came out? just realizing what a dumbshit you are? boy, i know chink who know what's up. compare chinkland and the U.S. and china looks like fucking garbage. don't give a shit about human rights, food safety, safety for anything, no fucking freedom, quality of life, boy, you're a fucking joke. thinking you're all bad ass here, can't even fix your trash country. get fucking real, chinaman ho
thadmanyo 2 years ago
Talking about weak... the U.S. government is pussy compared to China's. You'd be arrested if you were in China by talking shit about China. We're heartless and we got Nukes that can blast your city to bits. U.S. stopped building those i think because i think they figured out it hurts people.
Blueponts 2 years ago
oh shit i didnt know you watch anime...
Blueponts 2 years ago
because they are asians and i know its racist but asians truely cant drive and dont even get me started on old asian people
xXCigarXx 2 years ago
lol sex, No no , that wasnt it
x5partan 2 years ago
What was I talking about? Sex? No that wasn't it.
5*
Vertman3000 2 years ago
Ill try this on my bmx bicycle :P
azagedon 2 years ago
Hey, I appreciate it! This introduced me to pivot steering. I'll have to try it soon.
steveswitek 2 years ago
if you don't understand pivot steering, try it on a mountain bike first, because bicycles are so light the difference between your weight being on the seat or the outside pedal in a corner is HUGE
bricksRheavy 2 years ago 3
I know you're supposed to do this while cornering on a road bike for extra traction; so maybe this causes a similar effect on a motorcycle?
kingkraft1 2 years ago
What you're saying makes sense but i've been told that when leaning off the seat all of your weight is supposed to be supported by your outside knee gripping the tank. Needless to say that would be impossible to do if it were all on a foot peg. So which is correct? No offense but I've heard professional racers talking about gripping the tank with their knees around corners so I'm leaning in that direction.
ElitePower 2 years ago 2
Nice pun.
kukidude70 2 years ago
Yeah, I tried it today and I don't know what I was thinking when I wrote my original comment but you can certainly push down on the outside peg and grip the tank with your knee.
I tried just pushing on a peg when I was riding in a straight line and the bike actually started to lean...what a neat trick! Combine that with counter steering and it should make for much more responsive cornering.
ElitePower 2 years ago
sex
Blueponts 2 years ago 6
Like the tips. Hadn't really tried this before... Tried to get it on the roads today, but too many cars in the canyons due to Labor Day and getting a really late start.
When I was able to do it a couple times, combined with body lean, seems like the bike wasn't leaning over as much -- got around a tight left on an upwards slope on Old Topanga Canyon (where I normally scrape my peg) very cleanly.
xinheng 2 years ago
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tuuubbb343 2 years ago
Interesting, this pivot steering is something I've never heard of and hasn't even occured to me. I'll definitely try this with my zx-9r. This method sounds very plausible imho because of newton's third law. When you push ex. right foot down, it creates equal "negative" force that affects at higher center of gravity point that causes momentum to make bike collapse into other way than first might expect. Just a thought, not a fact :)
tuuubbb343 2 years ago
That didn't really make sense.
Anyway I've never really believed that peg weighting or pivot steering was worth much. With proper counter steering I can steer the bike with only the input of one finger...if some other method involves stomping on a stationary part with piles of strength, it doesn't seem effective at all.
aluisious 2 years ago
so you pivot steer but also counter steer yes? or just pivot steer the corner?
DoomXexec311 2 years ago
4:13 Followed by "Speaking of cute." Haha
uemfbc 2 years ago
I like the total disregard for double yellow lines.
Tard
highdesertjim 2 years ago
Cyclists use the same method - weight on the outside peddle.
eleftedg 2 years ago
Ooo I learnt something new.
svengalie 2 years ago
M ,you couln't have set up a more Mordeth vid ending , cute,cute ,sex !!!!
zypp33 2 years ago
LOLZ!! "Haha... baby's cute... *looks at girl* speaking of cute....... So what was I talking about? Sex? no, no... that wasn't it". that's amazing.
Tykoa 2 years ago
I tought that weight must be shifted to inside corner so the bike would be more upright and more stable...
papukaiffa 2 years ago
It does. Pushing on the outside peg causes this to happen by moving your body over and the bike in the opposite direction. It makes you lean in more correct way. It doesn't put your body mass in your feet. That's impossible.
Too may people here must have failed physics.
YZBot 2 years ago
So you're saying that if you are on a bike. And you stand on the seat.....or stand on the pegs......the bike's center of gravity doesn't change either way? Perhaps you failed at common sense.
13mordeth 2 years ago
If you stand up on the bike of course the center of mass will change. You have changed the location of your body. However, simply keeping your body in one spot while pressing on the foot pegs won't change the center of mass. The pegs may be supporting your weight, but that is not the same as moving the center of mass.
YZBot 2 years ago
first of all, he is speaking about the center of gravity... Not the center of mass
bellethon 2 years ago
If u let go of the handlebar and presing down on one peg u will turn to that way. So u are moving ur center of gravity ;p
hardbiker88 2 years ago
Only if you move your body.
YZBot 2 years ago
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papukaiffa 2 years ago
What's the difference about pushing the bodymass by feet on pegs OR by ass on seat/chassis. Your body position is always above the seat..
If you use only ONE foot/peg the center of gravity changes
papukaiffa 2 years ago
that's exactly the point! you shift around the center of gravity
Sanisfaction 2 years ago
nub
Entic222 2 years ago
Yeah cause their to busy posting stupid comments LOL
cbr900RR1977 2 years ago
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Dismal7x 2 years ago
@YZBot
I might be mistaken but he didnt say body mass... he said body weight.... Weight =/= mass... and hes right applying pressure to one foot adds body Weight to it... someone failed basic vocabulary thinking mass is weight...
Shorty413 1 year ago
Weight is just a measure of the force that gravity exerts on an object with mass. Unless you physically move mass, you haven't changed the location of the weight. I was more interested in the claim that stepping on the foot peg changed the center of gravity. It doesn't, because no mass is moved. Since no mass is moved, the center of gravity will stay the same.
YZBot 1 year ago
To illustrate what is happening, stand on two feet about shoulder width apart. Now, without moving your body, try lifting one foot. Your body weight may now be SUPPORTED all on one foot, but your center gravity hasn't changed. Either you shift your body to rebalance, or you fall over.
YZBot 1 year ago
When you do this on a motorcycle, reality is that you will almost always actually move your body (mass), which does move the center of gravity. It doesn't however move mass to your feet (still impossible), your body moves to the side opposite of the peg you pushed. The center of gravity will now be off to the side of the motorcycle allowing it to remain more upright during a turn and be more stable.
YZBot 1 year ago
@YZBot your body doesn't have to move to the side of the motorcycle, all he's talking about is where the weight of the rider is applied and yes, the center of gravity of the "system" (ie motorcycle and rider together as one) does get shifted lower.
Lamaj96 1 year ago
@Lamaj96 You can't move the CoG with out moving MASS (in a constant gravitational environment). The concept at work here is called 'load transfer'. You are not moving mass or CoG but are instead applying forces. That force is vectored along a line between the peg and the tire patch. This is why you press on the outside. The force is vectored perpendicular to the road surface rather than near parallel if you push down on the inner peg.
YZBot 1 year ago
@YZBot yes yes yes that's essentially what i just explained, but the point still is that moving where the weight of the mass is applied will lower the CoG since "The center of gravity is the average location of the WEIGHT of an object."
Weight is a force (its magnitude influenced by mass yes), not an object. Forget pivot steering all together, if you get off the seat of the bike and stand on both pegs, the CoG of the system lowers. Remember rider and bike are different objects yet a system
Lamaj96 1 year ago
@Lamaj96 You have to move mass to change the CoG. This is as simple as it gets.
Load transfer does not move the CoG. Ask yourself this. If I stand on a scale and it reads 160, does this mean my feet weigh 160 or the sum of all my body parts weigh 160? How about if I stand on one leg? Does my other leg lose all of it's weight?
The reading at the scale (or the footpegs on the motorcycle) is just the sum of the forces.
YZBot 1 year ago
@YZBot Using this example, if you pick your feet a millimeter off the pegs, what is the weight on the pegs? What is the weight on the seat?
Now if you stand on the pegs with your butt of the seat 1 millmeter, what is the weight on the pegs now? What is the weight on the seat now? Notice, 1 millimeter difference will not justify mass having been moved since the relief of pressure is.
From example 1 to 2, potentially 160 lbs is transfered from seat to pegs!! With essentially no mass movement!
Lamaj96 1 year ago
@Lamaj96 That's load transfer. No change in CoG.
YZBot 1 year ago
@YZBot So you're saying if a 500 lb man transfers his weight from the seat at 30 inches above the ground to the pegs at say 10 inches above the ground, the CoG, defined as "...the average location of the WEIGHT of an object." will not change??? The average location of the weight HAS NOT changed in this instance??? Not at all?? The CoG is somewhere in the middle of the bike depending on it's composition right? Well if you shift weight lower let alone BELOW the CoG it will change don't you think?
Lamaj96 1 year ago
@Lamaj96 He transfers load, not weight. The CoG remains the same.
YZBot 1 year ago
@YZBot I think you're ignoring what i've said. Load transfers during breaking/acceleration though, does change the CoG and there's too many sources to list to suppor that. But simply put if you wanted to lower the CoG of your bike using added weight where would you put two 100 lb dumbells? Pegs or on your head? There's a difference and standing vs sitting is exactly this.
Lamaj96 1 year ago
@Lamaj96 Load does transfer during breaking/acceleration, and yes, the CoG will move as well, but that is caused by a different concept. That would be weight transfer. As the suspension moves, the mass of the bike also moves. Which does change the CoG.
There is a subtle but significant difference between the two. Weight transfer moves mass, which does change the CoG, while load transfer only moves where the force of the weight is applied.
YZBot 1 year ago
@YZBot Well I still say that the CoG will change if there is a net change of weight downwards (location) and/or if there is weight added below the virtical position of the CoG (mass&gravity) and i don't see any reason to believe that's not true. It's the definition of CoG. But you're entitled to your own opinion.
Lamaj96 1 year ago
@Lamaj96 It's not opinion, it's scientific fact.
You are confusing what weight really is. Weight is not a quantity (scalar), it's a force (vector). You even said this once already, but then fail to notice when you start using it the wrong way.
The average persons head weighs about 10#, It matters not if you are standing on one foot, upside down, hanging by one arm, or standing on your motorcycles pegs, your head still weighs 10#. No movement of mass, no change in CoG.
YZBot 1 year ago
@YZBot Say whatever you want, you're going completely off topic and ignoring everything I've said, you havent commented on any of the examples I put. I just put in bracets the changing CoG would involve changing the location and quantity so don't start making things up. Continue on with it if you want, but you've avoided everything I've said so there's no point in discussing it any further.
Lamaj96 1 year ago
@Lamaj96 I've responded to what I could. All I can do is try to tell you why it doesn't work the way you think it does. Which is also why I keep bringing up that you can't change the CoG without moving mass. Think about that for a minute. Moving mass involves physically moving the stuff of your body. Your atoms. This is after all what gravity is interacting with. To lower the CoG of your body you need more atoms lower in your body.
YZBot 1 year ago
This is so true, i had the fortunate experience to meet James Toesland a few years ago and we were talking about different things but he was saying how crucial Peg placement is in racing for steering and shifting your weight on the bike...
GUNITuk06 2 years ago
LMAO! "huh huh, babys cute... speakin of cute!
where was i? SEX? naw that wasn't it"
pixuma 2 years ago
so when pushing the opposite, your knee isn't down?
Vikck 2 years ago
Knee is a separate topic. Nothing to do with Pivot Steering.
13mordeth 2 years ago
That guy in the car in the beginning probably thought those hand gestures were for him telling him to move aside then you told him to move the other way LOL.
Cheneric 2 years ago
thats was funny as lol
jakethepeg1066 2 years ago
The reason it makes the bike more stable thus allowing you to take the corner faster is because pushing down on the outside peg during a corner increases the grip / traction of the tires (more the rear then the front) pushing on the inside will decrease grip / traction. This is a very helpful method to help keep the back end from drifting too much when on the track I know it has helped me in countless races and practice sessions, the small adjustments in weight distribution make a world of diff.
mcg1355 2 years ago
lol "what was i talkin about? sex?"
seowan 2 years ago
lol No, but I bet he was thinking about it!
HunterXray 2 years ago
We do this on bicycles all the time to be able to corner faster and more stable. have a look at those guys in tour de france
Mokojumbiett 2 years ago
at the start that guy driving in the middle of the road wanted for you to pass him on the inside.
Lloydo46 2 years ago
I've actually always done this. I didn't know there was a name for it. I originally learned this technique from bicycling as it let me turn incredibly hard and remain stable. It also gives me a lot more feedback. Hours of practice leaves you pretty sore though because you really do have to push down as hard as you can.
Bristecom 2 years ago 2
nice video xDDD cute:P
BBoyXy 2 years ago
This is crazyy I feel like Mordeth is giving me a private lesson seeing how I JUST completed the MSF course a couple of hours ago..I'll rememeber this forever..my 1st bike I ever rode was a Suzuki GZ 250 :)
submissions72 2 years ago
If you pushed on the peg on the same side as you turned - you would low slide the bike.
When you push on the opposite side - all your weight moves to the other side than the turn - allowing the bike to come lower and lowering the centre of gravity. If you did it on the same side you would place too much weight one one side- would have no balance and therefore low slide.
longorefisher 2 years ago
i hope ur wife doesnt watch your videos. lol
duvalsniper904 2 years ago 2
with the way people drive over there, i would have to go on a killing rampage.
givuhcky22 2 years ago 4
Aye, when I'm mad about the way people drive here. i watch a 13mordeth video to make me feel better :)
Curtis1551 2 years ago 3
hahaha good point. drivers in northern VA are terrible. compared to these vids, they are saints.
givuhcky22 2 years ago
You were thinking about SEX! hahahahaha I think about it all the time...wait no never mind.
RipSpartan117 2 years ago
lovely motor sound cool video
DirtyTec 2 years ago
"Lets speed up for a bit and take out an old man carrying fish."
BigDaddy2977 2 years ago
lol "lets speed up for a bit hit a man carrying take out. bitch." thats what my ears heard at least
BuffaloWarrior7 2 years ago
taking out fish.....
BboyIc0N 2 years ago
speaking of cute LOL
elianpz 2 years ago
when u wanna get ur knee down dont u purposely get ur butt off the seat? like thats one of the things u have to do to get your knee down cuz when i watch races theyre pretty much hanging completely off
i know i sound like a total noob here.... lol
also now i realized i use this all the time when i ride my bike(bicycle) cuz i "practice" the knee down position and it really does help u take a sharper corner at higher speeds
rEcKLesSzzz 2 years ago
I love you Mordeth!
Stradlverius 2 years ago
Glad to see you finally found a decent sponsor Mordeth!
themusicalduck 2 years ago
It is not possible shift the center of gravity simply by applying pressure to a lower point on the frame.
I believe you but this may affect handling but not in the way that you explained it.
colin340 2 years ago 2
Why not? It seems like it would to me.
13mordeth 2 years ago
been watching u for a while...... cool channel, I just bought my 1st bike... its sweet as hell its a 07 honda xr650l. its got balls to the wall power and theres almost nothing you cant do with it... Im from a bmx background so curbings still scare the crap out of me even though i drive right over them and barely feel anything lol... cant wait to hit some trails........ weeeeeeee
lemmyliquor 2 years ago 2
Ha ha at 0:54, the car in front of you stopped on the right after most probably after seeing you waving and pointing to who knows what.
chrisgraphics2000 2 years ago
Never heard of pivot steering, I learned something new today! Thank you!
Sbafokkio 2 years ago 2
Well in physics it makes since to put down on the opposite peg. bcuz if you take a left and put your weight on the left, your weight is not above your base of support (the wheels) thus making you less stable and possibly making you fall.
zuneluvr 2 years ago
"speaking of cute..."
you dog! heheh
I'm kind of new to the concept of pivot steering, I've actually been doing that for quite some time now. I friend of mine told me to press the outside peg harder when cornering, so I tried it and suddenly cornering became smoother and smoother.
A word of advice to those of you unfamiliar with pivot steering: Your thighs will get sore by using this technique!
marcellon2003 2 years ago 3
Makes sense, I'll have to try that the next time I'm out. Great vid!
pietermonnier 2 years ago
lol "what was i talking about sex oh no that wasnt it" LOL that made me laugh
LinksFan123 2 years ago 3
So, if i understand this correctly, if you put more weight in the peg opposite to the turn you're making, then the bike will be forced to stay up, meaning that the tyres will have more contact surface with the road, right?
Kind of makes sense to me :P, although is not as easy as it sounds
RagnaroKCL 2 years ago
You aren't forcing the bike up. You are forcing your body weight down. It's about creating a lower center of gravity for the turns.
13mordeth 2 years ago
i just got my first geared bike, and my foot size is UK12, which is quiet big, and im struggling to get my foot under the peg to change gears, does anyone know if u can change the position of the peg or foot rest? does it depend on your bike ? or can you do it to any bike ? any advice ,anyone thankyou
latana151 2 years ago
Not sure about your specific bike but you should be able to adjust the gear shift (not the foot rest) by taking it off it's shaft and reinstalling it at a higher angle. Check with your motorcycle dealer if you are not mechanically inclined. :^)
Hope this helps...
RC62 2 years ago
yeah thanks thats helped. i think ill have to go back to the dealer !
latana151 2 years ago
yes you can adjust the height of the gear shifter lever. Look at the rod that connects the end of it to the pivot point thing and there should be 2 nuts on each side.unscrew them(so that they loosen up, usually towards the inside) and then rotate that rod clockwise or counterclockwise to adjust the height. remember to tighten the nuts after :P
OnlyOneBlake 2 years ago
You can't actually change your center of mass by pressing on the pegs. Your body mass is still high regardless of what you are standing on. Pivot steering forces you to use other core riding techniques more correctly. ie. being light on the bars, countersteering, etc.
YZBot 2 years ago
I thought you were married!
javatar77 2 years ago
this video does not work
cornholio114 2 years ago
"What was I talking about, sex?"
dirty thoughts with that cute girl eh
kasatka014 2 years ago 4
another great vid mordeth, i lean off the bike while taking corners at speed so leaning onto the right peg in a left turn would be hard, due to most my body weight being on the left side of the bike. if thats makes any sense. :S
mrphate89 2 years ago
do you use pivot steering and counter steering together?
67kneil 2 years ago
Yes
wookler 2 years ago
thanks for the tip. Cant wait to try this
ImDamagedBadAtBest 2 years ago
do u become more fatigued riding in Taiwan then for example riding in Canada or the UK?
joewarcupinhull 2 years ago
Hard to compare. I don't remember what it's like to ride in the west. I do it so rarely.
13mordeth 2 years ago
you have been to arundel in the uk right?
i remember seeing it in one of your other videos.
Budzi08 2 years ago
rofl i love how at the end of the video, you just completely forget what you've been talking about for the past 4 minutes
Cheeta1020 2 years ago
lmao
"ar that baby was cute" and i was thinking arr hw nice your baby is too mordeth and then you go
"speaking of cute and aim the cam on a girl" hahaha genious
1248163264128256512 2 years ago
"What was i talking about...Sex!!!, no no that wasn't it" lol, interesting vid mordeth. I will try this sometime
weedwhackerman 2 years ago
4:04 - 4:28 omfg so many parked cars !!!!
CecoBg3 2 years ago
I tried doing this after watching Zeocen talk about it...it really does make a massive difference.
irritatedmushroom2 2 years ago
great tutorial maan
DashTube1 2 years ago
"what was i talking about? sex?.. no, no that wasnt it..." Classic...
Snakeman14 2 years ago 4
What I noticed in this video is that it doesn't seem that there are any signs indicating the degree of turn in each corner; whereas, here in Canada there is always a posted recommended speed. Although it can be ludicrously slow sometimes, the recommended speed lets you know about how sharp a blind corner is. (did you ever use posted speeds at corners here in Canada mordeth? I doubt there are that many corners in the interior anyways lol)
ndewhurst12 2 years ago
The yellow/black arrows already indicate a dangerous corner.. here in europe they rarely use the indicated speed signs.. i think the only use it if the speed limit is like 110km/h and there comes a slow corner, then there will be a reccomended speed at like 40kmh.. If the speed limit is already low, there is no need to, they will just put a Red triangle signs with a corner
Bimm3rcc 2 years ago
Cool. It sounds to me like over here it is much more strict; variations in corner intensity cause changes of recommended speeds in increments of 10km/h. We do still use the black on yellow arrow signs.
ndewhurst12 2 years ago